Hall of Famer Pat Lamont on Winning His 12th Grand American Ring!

Summary

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Trap Talk From The Back Fence

Episode: Hall of Famer Pat Lamont on Winning His 12th Grand American Ring!

Date: March 14, 2025
Hosts: Zach Nannini & Richard Marshall Jr. (“Ricky”)
Guest: Pat Lamont

Overview

This episode of Trap Talk features Hall of Fame trapshooter Pat Lamont, discussing his journey to clinching his 12th Grand American ring. The hosts, Zach and Ricky, dive into Pat’s experiences as a competitor, the nuances of maintaining focus season after season, the changing landscape of major shoots, and his thoughts on nerves, routines, and the future of the sport. The episode is peppered with camaraderie, practical shooting advice, and a special announcement from Pat.

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Main Themes & Insights

The Champion’s Mindset Post-Hall of Fame

• How do you stay motivated after reaching the Hall of Fame and so many major wins?
  • Pat emphasizes that the drive to compete never fades:

    “Things really didn't change after the Hall of Fame for me. Like, I still go out there and try to, you know, compete in every event, try to win every event. Yeah, the Hall of Fame is a goal, but it's not like the angle. It's not like that's the last thing.” (02:22)

  • Even after landmark achievements, the underlying motivation remains – chase excellence, event by event.

Navigating Tough Seasons & Technical Adjustments

• Pat struggled at times this season but found ways to recalibrate.
  • Facing difficulties with visual clarity on targets:

    “I wasn't seeing the targets how I wanted to see them at the start of the year... I brought my eyes down to the trap... At the ground, I got back to just shooting, you know, held the gun up a little bit higher... looking right through the barrel and that soft focus, it just seemed to, you know, the target would pop.” (08:18)

  • Minor technical adjustments—like raising the hold point—made significant differences in performance.
  • Pat’s approach: Focus less on perfection, trust in “just shooting.”

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Key Discussion Points

The Evolving Trapshoot Landscape

• Big prizes and creative incentives boost attendance:
  • Pat praises clubs giving away major prizes (guns, silver), observing more shooters attracted to such events:

    “Anything that's going to bring the people to the shoot... Guys are thinking outside the box. They're trying to get more shooters to come. I think that's what all clubs need to do.” (04:30)

• Attendance fluctuates with shoot location:
  • Moving club events geographically can create attendance swings, echoing trends from both Canadian and U.S. circuits.

The Power of Routine

• Consistency is King:
  • Both Pat and top rising star Dagan are lauded for their “robotic” routines:

    “There's nothing that changes from shot to shot that I can visibly see... getting the mount that you guys want. That, you know, that head up, eyes up kinda... I mean, it's impressive to watch.” (19:48)

  • Pat agrees:

    “You keep doing the same thing every time and... expect the same results. Where it goes sideways: Sometimes you miss a target, you think, well, I have to make a change... Go back to what works.” (21:40)

  • Don’t let a missed target spiral into unnecessary major changes.

Handling Pressure and Nerves

• Even legends feel the nerves.

  • On high-stakes events and finishing under pressure:

    “Things got a little tight towards the end. I mean, I don't think it matters who you are. When you're getting towards the end, you're getting nervous, you're getting excited to get done, whether you've done it once, whether you've done it a hundred times.” (32:39)

  • Pat debunks the myth that experienced shooters don't get nervous:

    “If they tell you they don't feel nerves, I don't believe them.” (33:29)

• Mind Games: Knowing the Score or Not?

  • Pat prefers not to watch the scores during big events:

    “I'd rather not know. I think it's just...easier... you're shooting your own target.” (31:07)

  • Sometimes this works to his advantage, helping focus and reducing pressure.

Shooting Routines, Long Runs, and Records

• Pat’s long run in singles is around 1,180, doubles about 450 (28:58).
• Ricky and Zach enjoy bantering about their own records, highlighting the labors and humility behind big numbers.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “The Canadian hammer. I mean, he ain’t Paul Shaw, but...he just keeps winning.” – Zach (01:29)
• “The big thing with the overalls...knowing how it is you're going to feel going into these last events. Like, I don't know, it's a feel like you couldn't even describe unless you've been there.” – Pat (26:27)
• “Dagan, the best shooter in the ATA right now...for him to be happy for me like that, I respected it a lot.” – Pat on receiving a congratulatory text from competitor Dagan (16:14)
• “I think all clubs need to do [prizes]. I listened to Sean's podcast...getting people to do stuff other than just the shooting... that's something that we'll focus on at the Browning Gun Club.” – Pat (04:45)
• “You just learn how to control the nerves.” – Ricky (33:39)
• “Go back to what works.” – Pat, on not overcorrecting after a miss (22:12)

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Important Segment Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:22 | Pat discusses motivation after the Hall of Fame | | 04:30 | On creative prizes and bringing more shooters to events | | 08:18 | Technical adjustments after a tough start to the shooting year | | 16:14 | Story about Dagan texting Pat “congratulations”; sportsmanship in trapshooting | | 19:48 | Routine and technique, comparison between Pat and Dagan | | 21:40 | The importance of consistent routines, not overcorrecting | | 26:27 | Pat’s feelings and mindset during overalls at the Grand | | 28:58 | Pat’s shooting “long runs” in singles, doubles, and handicap | | 31:07 | Prefers not to check standings during tournaments | | 32:39 | Nerves late in the event; “things got a little tight towards the end” | | 33:29 | Pat: Everyone gets nervous. If they say they don’t—they’re lying | | 37:25 | Pat reveals upcoming Team Remington sponsorship |

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Special Announcements

Team Remington Sponsorship

• Pat announces he has been contacted by Team Remington and will officially switch shell brands next season:

  “Just I think Team Remington has contacted me and I'll be switching shells next year. So that's something I'm looking forward to...” (37:25)

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Community & Reflections on the Sport

• The episode closes with gratitude for the growing trapshooting community, listener engagement, and the joys of connecting at clubs across North America.
• Pat shares a heartfelt story about being thanked at the Grand for his sportsmanship and podcast participation:

  “A gentleman came up to me and said, you know, thank you for everything you do for the sport. And I thought, what am I doing for the sport? He says, you know, with the podcast and everything. So I thought, you know, that was a really nice compliment.” (38:57)

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Upcoming Plans

• Pat’s 2025 schedule: All usual state and zone shoots, the Grand, Spring Grand, and smaller shoots like the Rough Rider in North Dakota. First big shoot of the season will be Minnesota. (41:44)

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Summary

Pat Lamont’s third (or “three and a half”) Trap Talk appearance delivers honest insights into maintaining top form after Hall of Fame status, finding solutions through technical tweaks, the critical importance of routine, camaraderie and sportsmanship at the highest levels, and the unchanging reality of nerves even for the champions. The episode is rich with practical advice for shooters of all levels and hints at the ongoing evolution—and strong future—of North American trapshooting.

Transcript

[A]

Welcome to season three of Trap Talk.

[B]

Brought to you by Craig off the Choice of Champions.

[A]

Welcome back to another episode of Trap Talk. I'm your host, Zach Nini. I'm here with the one and only co host, Richard Marshall Jr. He's looking very good in his digital print hat today, folks. I mean, he's ready to go. But, Pat, welcome back to the show. I think this is number three or number four for you on the show.

[C]

This is like three and a half. We had the Tucson one.

[A]

Okay. Yeah, three and a half. Three and a half. Three and a half. That works. So. So, you know, we're doing the ring series, interviewing all the ring winners. And, you know, Rich, you know, Pat, really well, introduction from the last time. Anything we've missed, anything that people don't know, that.

[B]

Now he has 12 rings, correct?

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

So he's got all the birthstones other than that. I mean, he just keeps winning.

[A]

Yeah, he does keep winning. I mean, you can't stop him. He's the Canadian hammer. And I mean, any ain't Paul Shaw, but. But, but. Well, welcome back to the show, pal.

[B]

Pal.

[C]

Thanks for having me. Appreciate it.

[A]

So. So to get started, you know, it's been a year since we spoke. I know last year we talked about, you know, you obviously won a ring and went into the hall of Fame, but going into this shooting season, what was it like post hall of Fame, you already kind of accomplished some really big goals. How did you refocus yourself and get back in the mindset of, okay, I'm going after more rings? Because in my mind, I would think at some point you got to be like, okay, how much more what am I trying to do here? I'm already in the hall of Fame, already got a bunch of rings. Like, how do you laser focus and get back into the shooting season every year?

[C]

You know, things really didn't change after the hall of Fame for me. Like, I still. I still go out there and try to, you know, compete in every event, try to win every event. Yeah, the hall of Fame is a goal, but it's not like the angle. It's not like that's the last thing they want to do this year, though.

[A]

I don't know.

[C]

I struggled a lot through the year. Like, it was a. It was a tough year, and it had nothing to do with. With any of the stuff that happened last year. Just, I don't know, kind of came together at the right time, I guess. But, yeah, I had some struggles this year.

[B]

Well, you shot quite a few state shoots and stuff this year, didn't you?

[C]

Yeah, the yes went to Minnesota but we missed the Canadian because Minnesota moved a week up. So Minnesota was the first big shoot I guess we went to. And then South Dakota, North Dakota Zone and Grand, it went by quick. And Tucson of course.

[B]

And Tucson now like North Dakota, they gave away a side by side up there this year.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

For anybody that shot the, the three handicaps I saw, that was a pretty cool deal.

[C]

There was only about 200 shooters at it. So it was, I mean it's great odds really for, for twenty, thirty thousand dollar machine. I don't even know what it was, but it, you had to shoot 100 handicap on the Sunday and if you didn't, if no one shot 100, they were going to give it away anyways. So it got, it got given away.

[A]

That's pretty impressive. So, so it wasn't like one of those get, you know, I, I've seen those, you know, oh, we're going to give away a Ford truck, but you got to break a 400 out of 400 and then nobody breaks it.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Which I think that's kind of cool to do something like that. But if they're going to give the trophy away, no matter what kind of like they're doing in Nevada this year, they're giving away the four, the 400 ounces of silver. And it doesn't matter if you break a 90 or 100, whatever, it's just you got to win the event on.

[B]

Sunday or top score in state or out of state.

[A]

In state, out of state, top score. And I just think that more of these shoots that are just able to raise the money and give away, you know, one big grand prize to somebody. I mean I got to think that's got to bring some attendance. What do you think, Pat?

[C]

I think for sure, you know, anything that's going to bring the people to the shoot. You know, I see what, I see what they've done in, in Nevada, what they did in North Dakota this year. Guys are thinking outside the box. They're trying to get more shooters to come. I think that's what all clubs need to do.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I listened to Sean's podcast and he was talking about getting people to come back. Right. Getting people to do stuff other than just the shooting. And I think that's something that we'll focus on at the Browning Gun Club for the, for the next big shoot, for the next Canadian that we have. You know, it's, we throw great targets. We, we know how to run a shoot, but it's the extra stuff that. That, you know, maybe there's room for improvement on that.

[B]

When is that shoot?

[A]

You generally get to something like that, and like Rick said, what. When is the shoot?

[C]

That shoot? Well, it's. It's the same time as Minnesota now. It's the last. Last weekend in. In June. So the problem is now which one do we go to? Of course. Course. When it's in. When it's in, Brandon, obviously that's where you're going to go. But how many shooters we. It depends where it is. Like that. That shoe moves east to west. And if it's. If it's in Ontario, it's probably two, maybe 250. And Brandon, we maybe get half of that.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, that. That makes a big difference. I know in the west coast, we had a couple shoots. Example one, the Grand Pacific, where it was moving every year, and depending on where it went, the attendance would go way up or way down.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And so I know Utah has the same thing where they go from un. From Vernal to Spanish Fort. And I know they've said that there's different level of attendance there. So I think whenever the shoot is moving from spot to spot, you're going to get some people that come just because of the location locations.

[B]

You're always going to get that in every shoot, you know, for sure. So that's why we were looking at. You know, I seen the. That provincial shoot at that Hamilton Club. It's over the Fourth of July.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

And I was like, I really don't go to any shoots. And the guys. BJ was talking about, hey, you got to come up here and bow. And I was like, you know, might not be a bad deal to go over there and shoot it and, you know, shoot a fun shoot if it's, you know, they're saying they're trying to bring it back and grow it.

[A]

So.

[B]

So, you know, we're all about going. Trying to go to different shoes that'll.

[C]

Be the size of the Canadian. I think Ontario gets 250 plus, like, it'll be the biggest. Biggest provincial shoot, definitely in Canada.

[A]

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[C]

Yeah.

[B]

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[A]

Yeah, I mean, Ricky's got hundreds and hundreds of hundreds with his. I mean, I've got a few hundreds, but. But I'm always working to get a little bit better, and they definitely help me, that's for sure. So on top of that, we also got to thank winning. I'm wearing the shirt today. Love this shirt. If you're down at the grand, pick one up.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

With that being said, let's get back to the show. So. So I want to circle back a little. Pat. I know you mentioned at the beginning of the show that you had a little bit of a struggle this year, and it wasn't your best year. I mean, that being said, you did just win a ring, so it's hard to say, oh, yeah, I had a bad year, won another grand ring. Like, what. What was going on in your mind that you considered a struggle? And how did you work through that to get to the point that you're still a world champion?

[C]

I gotta go right back to the start. It was probably. I wasn't seeing the targets how I wanted to see them at the start of the year. And I was trying this, that, you know, everything, trying to see them. And I think I brought my eyes down to the trap, and I know everything. You know, everybody's different, right? Like, I know a lot of guys, they see the target, target as they're looking right at the trapper as they lower their gun. I actually found at the end of the year, I had to go higher. Like, I was trying so hard to see that target right as it came out and my eyes were locking on the trap. I would get an angle, come out, and my eyes are still down, down the trap. And basically, as my gun gets to it, my eyes catch up at the same time, and I just wasn't getting a lock on it. So there's that. There's, you know, trying to. When you're struggling, you're trying so much harder. You're trying to see that target. You're staring, you're trying to, you know, get everything to be just perfect rather than just shoot. So I. At the ground, I got back to just shooting, you know, held the gun up a little bit higher and probably, I don't know, maybe about a foot above the trap and just looking right through the barrel and that soft focus, it just Seemed to, you know, the target would pop like that.

[A]

Is that about as high as you'll go, Pat? About a foot above the house. I mean, for you.

[C]

Probably. And like I said, the. The first one, I hold in a bit of a. I guess a bit of a arc. So, I mean, post three would be the highest. That's probably about a foot on posts one and five. I might be six or eight inches somewhere around there, but. And it was just such a subtle change. You know, it was when I was having a hard time seeing him. I was probably half that, maybe four inches on the corners, and I just couldn't unlock my eyes from the. From the edge of the trap.

[A]

All right, folks, we got to take a real quick break and acknowledge the official target of the ATA White Flyer. They've been sponsoring us since the beginning, and they make a great target. What do you think, Rick?

[B]

It's the best target in the ata. Shout out to everybody there, all the reps. You know, Bill Daniels, Josh Taylor, Nick Arnold, Robert Crow, everything they do for the sport and all the shoots. Really appreciate it.

[A]

They're always there. They're always trying to make a better target, and they're always supporting the game that we love so much. With that being said, let's get back to the show. So for you, getting your eyes just a little bit higher this year, I mean, it could be age, it could be the light. It could be reflexes. It could be any one of those things. But just for you, the. The shift to make it work was get the eyes just a little bit above the barrel, a little bit more than normal.

[C]

I. No, I don't even think I got my eyes above the barrel. I'm still looking through it. I'm still looking where I've always looked, but I actually just raised my barrel up a little bit, and that certainly helped change. Yeah, yeah. And subtle. We're not talking, you know, hold above. Above vertical or above horizontal or anything.

[A]

Like that, yet not a Rich Bullard hold point.

[B]

Rich tends to hold like he's. Like he's holding to the moon.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And it just. Rich is like 62 or 662 or 6 3. And his barrel's pointed up when he mounts the gun. It's like that.

[B]

Now, Zach, you don't know height because Rich is about six five. Okay. I'm six two. So either way is.

[A]

Barrels like that.

[B]

It is. Well, and looking pat at the all American standings because you finished fourth on the all American team is where you're. You'll finish by. By my point Calculation by ian Derek was third and he got you by eight points and you got Ditto by 50 points.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

And then Glow by about 58 points. But you got 890 points in the gram week and 112 in the prelims. So basically half your points you got at the gram. But you shot. I mean you won the. Didn't you win the prelim handicap, I think or the chat or the challenger handicap?

[C]

Was it Challenger?

[B]

Is that the prelim?

[C]

No, the prelim.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

No, no, didn't win that one. But yeah, won the. Whatever day it was. Must have been Wednesday, the channel.

[B]

Which was on Wednesday. Yeah. Because Tuesday is the president's handicap, then the challenger handicap on Wednesday and then Friday, prelim Saturday. Okay, but you. I mean with looking at. I mean of course you won the overall. You were second in the all around. Now, did you win the shoot off for runner up?

[C]

I was. I don't know how many miles down the road I was when I got called for that shoot off. But I wasn't there.

[B]

Okay. Okay. I wondered if you. You stuck, right? You just said I. I won my ring. I ain't shooting for rock. I'm out of here.

[A]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

With that being said, let's get back to the show.

[C]

Yeah. The being runner up or shooting for runner up in the all round. I mean, that's a huge honor too, not taking anything away from that. It's just, you know, it's a long shoot. We had a long drive to get home, so that's. That's what we did. But yeah, I would have, you know, had the shoot being a little closer. Yeah, I'd absolutely shot it.

[B]

Yeah. How many hour drive is it for you up there?

[C]

We're about 23 or 4. Like, it's a. It's a long way.

[A]

Geez.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's a whole day.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like literally a whole day.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. And Zach. And you complain about driving an hour and a half.

[A]

Hey, do they not have planes up there in Canada?

[C]

Yeah, we can't take your shells on it. I know. It would be a lot easier.

[A]

I mean, I get, hey, you know, you don't want to mess it up. It's working for you. 12 rings in, if I want to ring driving one year, I'd be driving 24 hours every year. I wouldn't think about it. I just do it.

[B]

He'd drive every year, so I'd be.

[A]

Driving all the way to Russia for one of those rings.

[B]

You know, Pat with the. So were you leading going into the handicap Saturday or were you tied with day?

[C]

No, I was actually tied and I was. I wasn't paying any attention. I actually, I thought he was. I thought he was ahead. So when I got done, he. His score wasn't in yet. I knew I had 97. I figured, well, he's gonna. He's gonna shoot a 97 plus. So I was watching a score, watching score, and he. My phone actually buzzed and it was him. And he texted me congratulations on the overall. You know, his score still wasn't in. He ended up with 96. But, you know, I look at that and I think of the stuff they, I guess learned during the grand or picked up, and that's something I actually, I took note of. I mean, Dagan, the best shooter in the ATA right now. You know, for him to. To text that, I. I just. I really respected that. I mean, obviously he wants to win as. As much or more than anybody else. And, you know, for him to be happy for me like that, I. I respected it a lot. I. I thought. I just. Well, I thought good on him for. For sending that.

[A]

Hey, Trop Talk listeners, let's take a quick second to thank a couple more amazing sponsors. SOS Clays Shoot Management, they're doing a fantastic job. I love the app. I love being able to see everything on My phone instantaneously. It's freaking awesome. Rick, what do you think?

[B]

Yeah, Greg Pink and his group over there. I mean, they've got majority of the satellite grants. Majority? The state shoots, I think it's 40 plus state shoots they're doing. But the app, honestly, we were doing a little beta testing with that at the spring grand. It's awesome. You can see your squad if they paid, you know, you can see your options, your payouts, the whole works at your fingertips, great deal.

[A]

They're just. Ricky, how much money he made before he even got off the line, he was like, hey, I'm buying lunch. I'm like, yeah, good job. We're good to go. We also got gun and trophy insurance. I mean, they're the best in the business. I know they're, they're great price. Ricky, you're familiar with them, right?

[B]

Yeah. Cole, Larry Cushman. Been long time supporters of myself and, and I've been a supporter of them and you know, especially with my college team, you know, we require insurance. It's so fast and easy to sign up and get your insurance in literally 10 minutes. You can have your guns insured. And they're just great. They're great to deal with. Like I said, you can do your trophies also, you know, your, your wildlife, animals and that such, and your guns. It's just a great.

[A]

It's always good when you're traveling around to have that piece of mind to know that you don't have to worry about losing your stuff forever. And these are expensive things, especially when you got those Craig Offs, you got to keep them insured. So.

[C]

Oh.

[A]

With that being said, let's get back to the show.

[B]

Yeah, absolutely. He is a class act. You know, his mom and dad are great people. You know, the whole family, you know, his brother Connor's brother Austin. I mean, they are all just class act people. That's what. When we were at the, at the Grand, I seen him right before we got ready to leave and, and I just told him, I say congratulations on being captain. And he, and it was funny. He kind of put his head down. He said, thank you. I know. You know, I mean, and I said, man, he did. He shot lights out. I was leading, coming all the way up to the grand and he just turned down another gear and, and dominated. You know, every, I mean, it seemed like every handicap was like 97, 98, 99, 97, 90, so. But you know, he's such a good, just, you know, good kid. You know, he's only what, 22? Zach is that what he is, 22 or 23?

[A]

I mean, he's, he's a young, he's a young guy. You know, he's, he's getting ready to start his career in accounting, which is, which is amazing. And, and he's a fierce competitor. And the thing that I could say about Dagan just watching him is he's very robotic. I mean, if you watch him, there's nothing that changes from shot to shot that I can visibly see from, you know, when he loads his gun to when he mounts to when he shoots in the timing. And the other person that reminds me of that is you, Pat. I mean, there's really not too many people that make it look more methodically correct, like literally perfect movements and time to get to that point where you call pull. And, and I got to think there's got to be something to routine and there's got to be something to getting the mount that you guys want. Like that, that, you know, that head up, eyes up kind of. Okay, I'm ready to attack the bird because I mean, it's impressive to watch. I, I've never seen anyone, I mean, you and Dagan is pretty much the only two that I've seen where it's just robotic. Also, we've got Mid State Precious Metals. Ron Prescott. He's a great guy for all your gold and silver needs. Ricky, tell them about our friend.

[B]

Yeah, Ron, he graciously donated a 10 ounce silver bar to our live in person podcast in Tucson. And you know, he has everything. I bought a bunch of silver from him. You know, we got our silver and gold for the, the fun day at, at the Nevada State shoot on Monday this year. You know, John got all the silver and gold for the Nevada State shoot. So look him up for your silver and gold needs. He'll give you the best price out there.

[A]

He really is. And, and he's a friend of the trap shooters. I mean, he's looking to get gold and silver to these gun clubs for their shoots at the lowest price across the country. He's doing him a service and helping grow the sport. So, you know, thank you so much for that, Ron.

[B]

Yeah, thank you, Ron. We appreciate it.

[A]

With that being said, let's get to the show.

[C]

And you guys have definitely talked about routines and, and you know, having the same thing every time in the past and I absolutely agree with you. Like, I think that's super, super important. You keep doing the same thing every time and guess expect the same, same results. You know, where it, where it goes sideways.

[B]

Absolutely.

[C]

Sometimes, you know, you miss a target, you think, well, I have to make a change. You know, I missed it because of any number of reasons. Right. So, you see, people, myself included, you make a major change, they miss another one and another one. Well, go back to what works.

[B]

Yes. Yeah. Just.

[A]

I think people are making changes.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah, I agree.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Zach. Zach. Zach has a tendency to do that. He'll miss one, and he'll miss one right after because he's trying to change something.

[A]

No, it's not to change something. It's the man. I should not have missed that one because now Ricky's ahead of me, and then now I missed another one. Whatever. Ah, damn it. I can't. How am I gonna beat him today when I'm down two already? That's just. It's a heart. It's a hard life.

[B]

Well, you know, we. We just had Glow on and talked to him about winning the all around, you know, his first ring ever. And, you know, Ryan's such a good kid, and, you know, he. We. We talked about you, you know, talked about Dagon, and, you know, that's why I tell Glow. I'm like, you know, and it's all these kids, if they would just calm down a little bit and not get mad about missing a target, you're not going to miss more. It's when you miss one, you all just. Like I said, oh, I got to change something. And I've been in that boat where it's like, oh, that one, right? Oh, let me do this. But then I know if I miss one, like, two. I did that at Iowa. Missed two in a row. I said, well, if they'd have thrown me that target five times, I'd have missed it every time because I wasn't changing. Yeah, I just figured I'm shooting it this way, it's either gonna break or it's not.

[C]

You know, normally I don't make a lot of changes after. After I miss or I don't consciously make a lot of changes. But you're thinking about why you missed, right? You're thinking about, well, you know, yeah, I did this or I did that, and you're still thinking about that when you go to shoot the next one. And I mean, especially in handicap, it doesn't. It doesn't work out very well. Singles, you might be able to get away with it, but.

[B]

Yeah, singles, you can get away with kind of anything.

[C]

So to speak, until you don't. That's the problem with singles. You get away with it. Get away with it. Then all Of a sudden, you miss.

[A]

Yeah, it's. It's. It's never fun to hear that loss behind you, but it happens. I mean, it's just. It's part of the game. And I think, you know, pushing your limits to the next level. And one thing I think, and I don't know if it was Dagan or Dagan's dad that said this to me, and it made a lot of sense. It's like whenever you miss, it's just going on another long run. And I've been thinking about that a lot lately, but I've been shooting singles. It's like, okay, if I miss one, Like, I just started a new long run. Like, now, how far can I go? Because at the end of the day, the human body can only do it so many times before we all fail. But it's kind of fun to press the envelope based on, you know, what your longest run is. I mean, continually pushing into the. The great abyss of what you haven't done.

[B]

Well, whether.

[C]

Whether it's a new long run, whether it's, again, like I've talked about before, staying in the all around, stay in the overall, your average. There's all sorts of things to shoot for. And, you know, just because you missed one, you may not win that event, but there's more.

[A]

All right, folks, we got to take a quick second and give a shout out to the Cardinal center in Marengo, Ohio. They hold the Cardinal Classic and they also hold the Ohio State Shoot, which is home of the first back fence Shootout. Ricky, what do you think about Ohio?

[B]

Listen, I. I love the Cardinals Center. I. I actually broke the first. First hunter from the 27 there at their very first shoot ever. Great place. Jake Spangler and their whole clan there. They do an awesome job at running the shoots. The Ohio State Shoots ran by the Ohio State association, the Cardinal Classics right after the Grand. So if you're looking for some. Some more points right up to the grand, hit that up so you can get a little more points than old Zach here. But listen, it's a great shoot, great facility.

[A]

It really is. I'm. I personally love the RVs. They've got great camping there. They've got a great time, Good shoot, good target presentation. Go check it out. It's worth putting on your list. With that being said, let's get back to the show. So how many overalls have you won now, Pat, at the Grand?

[C]

That's four now.

[A]

Okay, so in your mind, does it get easier after you've won the first couple, or is it Equally hard every time. I mean, are you going into Monday with that, okay, it's time to start another overall or what's that, what's that mindset starting that grand week from a four time overall winner.

[C]

I go in the Monday with the mindset to win the overall every time. That's, that's kind of my, that's my goal. And you know what, in, in doing so, you're going to shoot some good events along the way and hopefully win them. But I don't know, the big thing with, with the overalls, I guess there's been, I've been leading in two, behind in one, and then tied in the, in the fourth and you kind of got a different, I don't know, it's maybe it's a different mindset. Maybe it's just, I guess knowing how it is you're going to feel going into these last events. Like, I don't know, it's a feel like, like you couldn't even describe unless you've been there. Like I, the, the first couple overalls I had, I felt sick going into the handicap. Like actually get sick about halfway through the week knowing that you're, you know, knowing that you're close this time I thought I was behind, so I actually didn't feel bad going into the last handicap until you get down to the end and realize kind of what's going on. But, but yeah, I think having done it before, I think you, you just have, you know how to manage those, those emotions, manage the feelings, you know, you know, there's an end to this.

[A]

It'll be over in a minute and you'll be 20, 23 hours on the roads coming either way. Right. So either, either whether you do it or don't back in the rig.

[C]

Yeah, well, yeah, that's just it. Like I say, trying to, trying to get to sleep the night before, you know that it's not going to be a good sleep regardless whether you're up, down, you know, the first time again going into that handicap and think, God, I'm tired, I didn't get a good sleep. Well, I guess this time you kind of know, you know, to expect it. But, and you're right, you know, even if you tell yourself at the end, you know, I got, regardless what happens, you know, four hours and I'm gonna be on the road again, you know, let's make the best of it kind of thing. I don't know, there's just different, different mindset I guess is, is what happens as you, as you've Done it.

[B]

Different emotions.

[C]

Yeah, for sure.

[B]

Yeah. I've been on the, the, the downside of the being ahead, being tied, being behind and, and you do you get all sorts of emotions, you know, coming at the end that, you know, God, if I would have just done this a little, you know, or whatnot. So it is what it is. But you know, Pat, we were talking about long runs. What is your long run in singles? Do you know?

[C]

I think it's about 1180, I think. Could be in there. Doubles in handicap. I haven't really went on big, big long runs. I don't know, four, four or something. 450 maybe. In doubles and handicaps, not very long.

[A]

Yeah, that ain't very long. 450. I mean, everybody does that, right, Rick?

[B]

Zach, what's your double song run?

[A]

Oh, I, I don't know. 2, 2, 2 80, something like that. 2, 2 in a row and then, and 2. 8, 8, 8. 75 for singles. I don't, I don't know where I missed in the last box, but I did 875 and then I missed. So somewhere in that next one, it's still impressive.

[B]

I always say if you get over 500, it's impressive.

[A]

Not, not, not bad. But it ain't no Ricky Marshall and Pat Lamont numbers. You know, I'm over here. Just a, just a, just a financial guy trying to, trying to have fun with the podcast.

[B]

But listen to it. This is what I deal with, Pat, every day.

[A]

All right, folks, we got to take another quick break and thank one of our show sponsors. 73 Pointers Ranch, Jonesburg, Missouri. Rick and Carla Burke. Best place in the area to go shoot chuckers and pheasants and have a great time. Rick, we got to get you down there.

[B]

Yeah, I need to come in. Hopefully I can do some hunting with you guys and come to your the annual clay shoot in August right after the grand.

[A]

It's a lot of fun. It's the Optimist Club charity shoot. They throw a charity shoot, they put it on and it's wonderful. I think last year they had over 100, 100 entries into it. And just a good time. With that being said, let's get back to the show. What, what, what I do want to know, Pat, is I know when we spoke with Ryan, he's really against looking at the scoreboard and he said he was 300 straight going in, so he knew he was leading the all around 300 straight. But for you, do you make an attempt to actually look and know where you are or would you rather not know?

[C]

I'd rather not know. I think it's just. I think it's easier. There's been shoots where I've known. There's been the majority where I don't. I just assume not know. Well, and again, you're. You're shooting your own target.

[A]

Do you look on Friday going into the Grand America Handicap, or does just people tell you or like, how did, how did it work this year? Like, did you know or were you not sure?

[C]

I didn't know. I just thought the Dagon was ahead, but I didn't know. Like, I, I consciously, I guess, don't look. But I mean it. If you find out again you're shooting.

[A]

Your own, that works to your favor probably this year. Because like you said, you shot like you were from behind. You shot like you were behind versus being tied. That might have changed your perspective a little, correct?

[C]

Yeah, it may have. It may have. Like, the first. The first half of the handicap went well, and then it was, I guess the last two traps were a missed. And after my. How'd it go? I think, oh, I missed two of the last 15. And, yeah, the last one I missed, I got thinking, well, you've had a good week, but I guess it's, you know, it's not gonna happen this year. And then I missed one more.

[B]

You missed two in the last 15?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So, yeah, Glo missed his 99th for his 97, and he thought he had lost the all around when he did that. Yeah, yeah, he missed the 99th, and then he broke the 100th at half.

[A]

He said he also missed two in his last box, two in his last box. I don't know if it was in the last 15, but he definitely missed two in the last box.

[C]

Yeah, things got a little tight towards the end. I mean, I don't think it matters who you are. When you're getting towards the end, you're getting nervous, you're getting excited to get done, whether you've done it once, whether you've done it a hundred times.

[B]

Yeah, I agree.

[A]

It's glad to hear that because I think. I think a lot of our listeners shooting, you know, they talk about nerves and getting nervous and asking questions. And it's like, you know, Pat, you've got more rings than I think anybody we've had on the show at this point. I mean, you know, 12, you know, Leo Harrison had 27, but, you know, he's not around to interview, unfortunately. You know, we miss him a lot. But I mean, to hear somebody like you Be humble enough to say, hey, I still have nerves. I still feel nervous. I still, you know, I still go through that emotion because it's at different levels, but we're all feeling that in this game that we shoot.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, I agree. Like, I, I don't think it matters who you ask. If they tell you they don't feel nerves, I don't believe them.

[B]

I'm with you, Pat. I hear that a lot from people. They'll be like, oh, I don't get nervous. Okay. Yeah, I bet you no matter what you're shooting, you know, singles, handicap, doubles, you're going to get nervous. You just learn how to control the nerves, you know, you know, going into. And that's the biggest thing in the.

[C]

Shoot offs, like, say the clay target. I can say I don't get very nervous in the clay target at the start because there's, there's 60 people you're shooting off with like you're not even close.

[B]

70, 80, 100.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you've done, you, you've earned your way into it. And to me, that, that is a nervous feeling towards the end. But when you start that shoot off, there's so many guys, you're not even close. But then when it gets down towards the end, the nerves start to creep in.

[B]

Oh, yeah, I've been there where, you know, you, like you say you're shooting 50 at a time in the clay target. So all I always worry about is, you know what, let's just break these targets and move on to the next round. Break these targets, move on to the next round. And then when you get down and it's one trap filled, that's when you're like, okay, well, we're not moving anywhere. We're staying right here. And, you know, and now with the rule of shooting 200, which I think they should go to completion, I really like that idea of finishing it that night and get it over with and out of the way of all the other stuff. But I don't know if they'll ever go back to doing that. You know, we did that for a few years and it was some late nights.

[C]

The problem is all three of us, we're the old guys now. Like, you look at that, you look at the single shootout this year, you look at the age of the guys that are in it. Those guys would shoot all night.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Well, Pat Stacy was the oldest. You know, he'd won it twice. But heck, you know, you got Leo Brand and, and Michael Gates in. Both of them. Their age was take that times three and it equal Pats. So it was, it was kind of crazy.

[A]

Young eyes, young reflexes. Obviously got to be, got to be helping the game because there's just so many young, great shooters. I, I mean you could look at it and you know, obviously day in, day in, day out, winning overalls and shooting amazing, but there's so many young shooters that could just go up and pop an event here and there that, you know, nobody's ever out of any one event.

[C]

Yeah, no, for sure.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

So, Pat, I see you're wearing our Trap Talk shirt. I. I appreciate the love. You look good in that thing. I heard from a little birdie that you might have some new upcoming news. Is there anything that you could share with us yet or is it still in the pipeline?

[C]

I don't know. That's a good question. I think it's still in the pipeline, but there is potentially some good news coming up.

[A]

Well, we'll look forward to hearing good news from you because there's always good things. Is there any other tidbits of information, anything else you'd like to share before we get out of here today?

[C]

You know what, maybe I should share the news. Just I think Team Remington has contacted me and I'll be switching shells next year. So that's something I'm looking forward to and I appreciate the opportunity. He had faith in me and I guess it was Mike Hampton who you've had on the show and yeah, I spoke with him on the phone and aspect like to be part of the team, so thank him for that. Any other news?

[B]

Congratulations.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

I think you're going to look great in one of these hats, Pat. I mean, you know, I. I don't know how many golden green shells are going up to Canada, but hopefully that's going to get changed now. So we'll be having some, some stuff over There. But I know that they're lucky to have a guy like you, for sure. I mean, 12 rings and countless other accomplishments and just a great guy. And, you know, I also want to thank you for always coming on the show and being supportive. I mean, I texted Pat the other day and I said, hey, can we have you on the show for the Ring series? And he said, absolutely. And normally when I text people to get on the show, they're like, nah, I ain't getting on the show again. You guys had your one freebie. And Pat's like, no, I love this. You guys are doing great. So, you know, we appreciate the. The repeat offenders. We appreciate the guys that want to come back out and share their story, because we got a lot of fans asking. I mean, they're always saying, hey, when are you gonna have Pat on again? When are you gonna have Dagan on again? When are you gonna, you know, do another episode about this? So it's just really cool to be a part of something where people are wanting that information and they want to hear from you, for sure.

[C]

Well, and it's fun to be part of this. I got a compliment at. Well, I guess not a compliment, but a thank you at the ground, you know, one that I never had before. I was leaving the vendor buildings, and a gentleman came up to me and said, you know, thank you for. For everything you do for the sport. And I thought, what am I doing for the sport? He says, you know, with the podcast and everything. So I thought, you know, that was a really nice compliment. I think. Look at. Look at what you guys are doing. Like, look at the. Look at the views you're getting. Look at the people that are watching. I think it's great for the sport and to be part of that with you guys. I think, yeah, it's an honor. It's an honor coming on here and talking to you guys.

[B]

Well, we appreciate it.

[A]

It's a whole lot of fun.

[B]

It is. Especially I can razz Zach all the time. You know, it's just makes my day go smoother.

[A]

It's just more fun for me, you know, if I don't have it, I actually. I get too confident. So I need Ricky to just kind of whack me down a little bit. It keeps me humble, you know, it's a wonderful, wonderful thing. But. But in all good fun, we're here to help the sport grow. We're here to see these shoots get bigger. We would love that shoot up. And, you know, we're talking about me, Ricky, were even talking about going up to. To Canada and checking out a couple of those shoots here in a bit. So, you know, I'm traveling and shooting more stuff around the country, which I think it's always good to see new people, but whether I'm going from California or to New York, there's just good people at every gun club across the country. And, you know, we want to. We want to meet them, we want to see them, we want to have fun and, you know, kind of check it out, I think, and. And hopefully document a lot of good information.

[B]

Yeah, and definitely, Pat, if we come up to Canada, in your area, we're flying.

[A]

Pat, you don't have to go to the shoot that me and Rick go to, though. If you want to just stay and work and go somewhere else or go to Michigan, that's fine with me.

[C]

You.

[B]

Come on, you could shoot with us.

[C]

Hey, there you go.

[A]

That would be fun. We would have a good time shooting together.

[B]

See, Zach, he said we'd be non resident, so you don't have to worry about it.

[A]

Oh, perfect. Then I just got to leave you. I just got to leave Ricky home then.

[B]

Oh, no, I'm in.

[A]

He's in. I. They got good maple syrup up there. You can't keep them away.

[C]

Hey, maple syrup and poutine come out of some of that.

[A]

Well, Pat, like I said, we know we're gonna have you on again. Probably, you know, do rings every year until you get to, like, 24. And then we'll be like, all right, how many more ring episodes are we gonna do with Pat? But. But, you know, it's always a pleasure to have you on. You know, we look forward to seeing what you got coming down the pipe in the 2025 season. Is there any shoots on the book planned right now in your mind right off the bat?

[C]

Just the usual. Like, I'll do all the. The same stage shoots, the zone, the ground and. And the spring ground.

[A]

What's your first. What's your first shoot this year?

[C]

Tucson. And then it'll be. We shoot a. Just a small shoot in. In North Dakota called the Rough rider. There's maybe 100 people at it, but it's a. It's a nice little shoot. And then the first big shoot is Minnesota.

[A]

Okay, well, we will look for you at Tucson maybe. Maybe do some content down there and see some big scores out of you. But we appreciate you being here today. We appreciate you all tuning in. Check us out next Friday. Remember, get those, like, shares, subscribe, send us messages, send us questions. We love you. Guys, Trap Talk Nation. We'll see you soon.

[B]

We appreciate it. Thanks, everyone.

[A]

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