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King for a Day: The ATA Ideas Shooters Want Most - Trap Talk E153 - Part 1
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Zach Nannini
Sam.
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Welcome to season three of Trap Chopper.
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Rick Marshall Jr.
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Zach Nannini
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Rick Marshall Jr.
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Zach Nannini
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Rick Marshall Jr.
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Zach Nannini
Welcome back everyone.
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John Slinker
It's another episode of Trap Talk and we have a really special episode for you today, which I think guys probably could end up being a multi parter here with all of the responses that we got online. So most of you saw the post that we put up called King for a Day. What ideas do you have for the ata? What do you love? What would you change? And we had an overwhelming response there. Over 220 comments came in and we got some really great things that we want to talk about today. And, and as always, we have our hosts here. Zach Nannini is with us and we have Richard Marshall Jr. With us and special guest, longtime friend of the show, multi show participant, not so Slow Joe is with us here, Joey Charnigo. So guys, thanks for being here. We appreciate it. Now I just want to give the fans a little bit of overview on kind of how we put this together. Okay, so we took all of the comments and, and we categorize them, we put them into themes, we listed out all of your comments under those themes so that we have a good reference point. And we're going to go down that list and kind of talk about your ideas and really just kind of shake out, you know, what are the good ideas, what are the crazy ideas and maybe what could be done about it. So without further ado, let's get into it. You guys ready to do this?
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Rick Marshall Jr.
Let's get this party started.
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Zach Nannini
Oh, I'm ready. I'm excited. Thanks for that wonderful introduction, John. I liked it. You're doing good.
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John Slinker
Well, listen, I learned from the best, Zach. Alright, so hey, with that being said, let's go to our first theme here, just to steal Zach's line again. All right, so our first theme that we put together here was basically creating a bigger incentive and better rewards for our shooters. You know, our shooters love competing and they want to see events feel more exciting, energizing and rewarding. And so how do we do that? How do we keep that engagement on these events? So basically looking through all the comments that came in for this theme, guys, what we had a number of kind of bullet points that we pulled out here. So number one, prize money and added money opportunities. I think that is definitely something we can talk about there. Things like giving back ammo based rewards or gift cards or silver. So things that are more tangible that the shooters can use versus just a trophy. Then we have modest entry fee increases that lead to meaningful payouts. Joey, this one is one for you that we're going to talk about. And the last one was innovative ways to reinvest interest income into the sport. So we're going to kind of go through these. But really what I wanted to highlight for this one, because we did have a lot of great comments come in for this one. And some of them are about, hey, you know, the trophies can be nice, but what if we spent our money on giving back to the shooters, you know, because they're investing, you know, their entry fees. And the one I wanted to highlight, since we have Joe here, was really his thought process behind pulling out some type of dollar amount from each entry fee in the preliminary events and the championship events at the Grand. So, Joey, can you kind of just elaborate on what you were thinking there? The example that you gave us here was pull two bucks out of every preliminary event or. Well, actually you said charge an extra two bucks, right? So that, that creates the money on the preliminary events. Charge an extra 10 bucks on the championship event. So that would be the three championship events. And really how that would kind of build out a pot because that would give you about 76 more dollars across the entire program of the grand to put back into some kind of pool. So you want to elaborate on that and then we can kind of hash this one out and talk about just money in general in the sport.
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Joey Charnigo
Yeah, for sure. When I looked at it, there's, I believe it's 23 events for the Grand. Is that what it was? I don't have my notes.
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Rick Marshall Jr.
24. Yeah, you know, you're right. You're right, Joey.
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Joey Charnigo
Yeah.
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John Slinker
23 and then three championships.
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Rick Marshall Jr.
Yeah, well, the championship. Yeah.
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Joey Charnigo
So yeah, essentially you're gonna have 23 events at two bucks a piece. Those are preliminary events. So it's not a big dollar amount. But you are at the World Championship was my thought process with this. So we. When you're competing at the Grand American World Championship, there should be a chance to win some money. If you win an event, you have a great day. To the guys who travel and go to all the shoots across the country and put their time and effort in, they should have a chance to win something. To your everyday guy that goes out and has a good day and just does well and he actually wins an event, give him the opportunity to win some money back. I mean you invest all the money into shells and shotguns and travel and campers and food and everything else we do for this game. It's a big investment. And I think at two bucks an event isn't going to price anybody out of the game necessarily, but it's going to give you a little bit more to shoot for at these events. And then the three championship events, whether it's singles, doubles or the handicap, I think like a $10 entry on additional into those events. So if you got 2,000 people, you're going to be shooting for $20,000 for first place. And in a world championship event you should have a possibility to win something. And it's to me it's not much different than if you look at a baseball game. You go to the preliminary games or your standard season games, it's 50 bucks for a ticket. But you get to the World Series or playoffs games and they're 1000 bucks, 1500 bucks, 10,000 bucks to go to these games. When you get to the big level, whether it's a state championship or a world championship at the grand or a satellite grand, we, we should be putting a little bit more money on the entry fees to these. I don't want to price anybody out of the game. It's expensive enough as it is, don't get me wrong. But a couple bucks isn't going to make or break anybody that's coming to compete at these events over a week long. I mean at the end of a year you'd be still less than 500 bucks if you did it at every satellite grand and every state championship and the Grand American. It's not going to make or break anybody that comes to these events, but it gives you something to shoot for. It gives you that chance. And for 99% of the people, maybe they're not going to have a chance to win some of that and that's their thought. But how many times have we seen a 10 year old kid break a 99 or 100 in handicap and he wins the whole event? He should be, or he or she should be rewarded for that. Not just, hey, congrats, here's your silver trophy that they're going to put on their mantle. And it really doesn't mean too much. Give a little bit of monetary value for what we invest into the game.
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Rick Marshall Jr.
Yeah, you're absolutely right. I, I personally think, like you said, if it's $10 for the championship event, singles handed, Kevin doubles, $30 and you travel around and say you shoot 10 shoots, that's an extra 300 a year on 10 shoots. Okay, so now break it down for. If you do that just at the grand, because it is the world championships, you know, and you got the other events in there. Well, that's $76.
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It just like you listed out in there, Joe, you know, you're buying 10. Well, you put three to 15,000 on guns. Most people now are spending 10 to $20,000 on guns, you know, $100 for a case of shells. They're spending, you know, how much money on a vehicle to get their campers and all that. So.
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John Slinker
Yeah, the grand scheme of things, it's a small dollar amount.
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Zach Nannini
Yeah. And, and I would agree with that. I think that, you know, there would have to be a system that would reward the champions and that would be great. I think there would also probably have to be a system. You know, Joe, what I really love about your back fin shootout is how you spread the love around between the, the champions and then the people that might not be your everyday champions. You know, something that I would personally like to see. If it was $10 is maybe $8 go to the champion and then maybe $2 go to each class, which is, or something along those lines. Just because of the fact that if you're, you know, a D class shooter, you might not ever think you could win, you know, the world championship ring, but, you know, maybe they could win D class doubles champion of the world and they just won a thousand bucks. And how cool would that be for somebody that didn't, that didn't appreciate it, you know, but you know, we're just kicking around ideas today and I think this is a very good one. I think it probably hasn't been talked about much.
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John Slinker
Yeah. And I, I think from a, from a marketing standpoint, and we're going to probably talk about this one as we go throughout all of these different themes, but you know, with this type of purse structure, you could end up at the end where, you know, you do have these champions standing up there with these big ceremonial checks like we see in some of the other sports. And just that picture on the COVID of the magazine or promoted out to the sport, going like, wait a minute, those guys are shooting clay targets and getting six grand, eight grand, ten, whatever it ended up being. Yeah, right. And that's where I kind of not differ from you, Zach, but I would say, like this could be championship style purses. Yet when you come to the grand for the first time, you may not be winning, but you're seeing this big purse up there that you can keep striving for. And then your D class shooter, they still get their trophy, you know, there's still something there for them. So there may be that kind of balance too, where it's like, there's options. But these purses that we could put together are to promote the sport in general. And, and I think, you know, if I was looking at it through the lens of the ata because, you know, there used to be these bigger sponsors. And Joey, to your other comment, right. About bringing in these big partnerships, right. Where did those partnerships go? Right. And I think when you had some of that bigger money, you guys have to speak to this, you know, better than me. But the ATA at some point, because maybe Budweiser went away or, you know, some of these other sponsors went away, they said, okay, what do we do to keep the engagement of the, of the community here, of the shooters? Right? And they said, well, you know, we have to reward them. They have to have some kind of accomplishment at the end here. And so let's get trophies and let's make sure that we have good categories. And you know, their, their mindset seems obvious, but I think these days what people are starting to shift back to, and you know, what I'm starting to see in Vegas for the Nevada State shoot is the money pulls, you know, the prizes still pull in the people. It gets the excitement going. And people, when there's more people at an event, you want to be at the event. It's this big, you know, monumental thing you want to be a part of. So getting more shooters at the event should always be the goal. Whether it's the D class shooters that are coming just because they want to experience or your big, you know, your big heavies who are coming in going, I'm competitive and I want to win a couple of these things, you know, so I think we could feed all those different communities.
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Zach Nannini
Yeah.
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Joey Charnigo
And I mean, I look at it too. I understand that some people say, well, that's just going to feed the money to the top and all this other stuff. Well, I go to plenty of golf outings and I'M terrible at golf, but I'll play skins and I'll play closest to the pin and longest drive and all that stuff. It's just another chance at something that you can say, I want it. And it's only a few bucks. Monetarily, it's not going to change or make or break anything that you're doing. But to give anybody a chance that they could win this stuff, you have your day, I think is huge. And I think if you could, if we got it big enough where it started, drawing a crowd, we could get more people into the sport. Coming in is ultimately what it comes down to because I got 50 guys that shoot in my Monday night league at my house and they love it and they love gambling on stuff. And I always throw three bucks to the high gun for the night. It's not nothing. And 45 out of the 50 guys don't have a chance at winning that. But they don't care. They're there to shoot and have fun and the winner should win something. But then I also feed money into different areas and I agree with, if we could put some money into class, maybe it's, maybe it's 10 or 12 bucks and 2 bucks goes to the class. So each class or category could have a chance at winning something would be good. But then the other thing is too.
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John Slinker
A championship purse, right? It would be champions. Like, like champion of the class is still a champion, right? They won their class.
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Joey Charnigo
Yeah, exactly. And I think at a state championship or in a world championship and satellite grand, that those people should be rewarded with that and the trophies that we get, I mean, I'm not bashing anybody that gives these things out or what they pick. It's hard to pick trophies that are good or what people want all the time. But Mandy just said to me today, I said, she was cleaning out the kitchen and I said, hey, why don't you put some of my trophies up there? She says, you don't even open any of them. You don't even know what you have. So that's. None of them are even worth opening to look at for the most part.
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John Slinker
It's sad unless they came from state.
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Rick Marshall Jr.
Shoot.
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John Slinker
But with, with that said, I, you know, I, I think they're, for example, like Matthew Debord wrote in and he said, you know, compulsory class purses, a quarter of which goes to champion and runner up. I mean, what happened did the grand doesn't do compulsory purses. It doesn't do the six way. Are those still.
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Rick Marshall Jr.
It's never American. It's never done compulsory purses. The ATA has always stated, you know, no compulsory purses in, in the rules or whatever. But there's been the, the Great Eastern purse I thought was at the grand. Is it not?
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Joey Charnigo
They call it something else there, but.
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Zach Nannini
Yeah, the six way.
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John Slinker
Okay.
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Rick Marshall Jr.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
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John Slinker
I, I think, I think it's okay to put the grand, like you're saying, Joe, in its own category. Like this is the Grand America, this is the super bowl, this is the World Series. It should be its own thing. We're not trying to keep it economical on the target prices. We're trying to make this the biggest event out there. I would say for the HAA should be $100 per event.
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Zach Nannini
They.
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John Slinker
They pay in sporting clays, right?
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Rick Marshall Jr.
Oh, yeah.
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John Slinker
Let me ask you guys this. But the thing is, you think there's a majority of people who just come out and shoot the HHAA at the GR or did most people who come to the grand shoot a bigger program?
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Joey Charnigo
I think there's a handful that come out for the haa, but a lot that come out for more for the program.
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John Slinker
Okay. Yeah, yeah.
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Zach Nannini
I think there's, there's a good section of people that are coming out just for the 400 targets and there's people that come out just for the grand week. I think people that shoot the whole two weeks. That's a. Another category of shooter.
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John Slinker
Yeah, I agree.
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Joey Charnigo
Yeah, those are your real die hards. And to your point, with the $100 entry, we, the shooters would get more out of there. It wouldn't just be. It's 100 bucks and you get the same old crap. There would be a dinner, there would be big prizes.
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John Slinker
Yeah, yeah.
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Joey Charnigo
So, so that's something that, when you promote that or bring that up, that people got to understand. We're not trying to say that hey, it should be a hundred bucks and that's it. No, you're going to. There's going to be a lot more give backs to the sport and make it better for everyone. There's.
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Zach Nannini
Yeah, I think, I think, I think you really have to spend time educating and rationalizing on this stuff and working the numbers with people because I think nowadays people buy value more than they care about. Price value is the most important indicator of anything. You know, Rick, the only thing looks better than these hats we're wearing right now is a bunch of gold and silver from Ron Prescott at Midstate Precious Metal. Show them the goods.
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Rick Marshall Jr.
Listen, all I got silver right now, I won't bring the gold out for.
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Zach Nannini
Zach, but You know, I always want to get that.
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Rick Marshall Jr.
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Zach Nannini
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Rick Marshall Jr.
That's right. Thanks for all the support.
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Zach Nannini
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Rick Marshall Jr.
No, Zach, what does it stand for?
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Zach Nannini
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Rick Marshall Jr.
Well, that is true. It is good stuff, folks. I use it to clean my barrels and it does make them shine.
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Zach Nannini
Only problem is I wear white T shirts when I clean my barrels and I get them all messy, so I got to be better at that. But it gets all the plastic, all the gunk out. Give them a try, folks. They're great.
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Rick Marshall Jr.
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Zach Nannini
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Rick Marshall Jr.
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Zach Nannini
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Rick Marshall Jr.
Absolutely. Thank you for all the support.
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Zach Nannini
And so, you know, if I go to a steak dinner and it's a hundred dollars or $200 or $300, I mean, there's a value that I got for that $50. And I'm like, okay, was this worth my money? And you know, it's going to take some time educating folks on what it can be and where it can go. But the most important thing, and I think this is very clear, is whatever it is, it needs to all go back to the people. Because I think if, if there's, you know, any division of, well, there's a split here, there's a cut here, it's going over there. Or, you know, I think that's where things get a little messy and things get. And I just want people that are listening, they're like well, what's this $10 go to? Like what Joe's saying, if I'm hearing you correctly, is every bit of it would go back to the shooters and only the shooters.
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Joey Charnigo
100%.
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John Slinker
Yeah, yeah, but you're a really good point. You bring a really good point.
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Rick Marshall Jr.
Well, I think I just look to.
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Joey Charnigo
Match or kick in on that too and make it a bigger purse than just the shooter's entry. Portion is, is another part the next step, the next level. Yeah.
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John Slinker
What, what you find, Rick? You found some stats?
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Rick Marshall Jr.
Yeah, well, I've just looked up the, the Grand American payout and on the, the Grand American Handicap, it's called the Jackpot purse is what the ATA deems the six way or the original Great Eastern purse. 25, 15, 10. 25, 15, 10. 331 people played it, $25 entry.
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You know, the jackpot Lewis. 441 people played 10, 47 played the Lewis though at $20. So yeah, I think, you know, to, to Joe's original comment with everything is, you know, putting that money in, I, I don't see why we couldn't do it. I know there was some also other comments about that like, hey, why does the shooter have to pay? The ATA has all this money sitting in the bank. Yeah, I understand that. I, I think the ATA does need to go back to throwing in some added money, you know, back to the sport, of course. But then going back to Joe's one comment about, you know, partnerships with major sponsors, I think that's possible and they do have a lot of sponsors. But where is that money being used? What is it being used for? Yeah, you know. Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, because that's.
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John Slinker
What Zach's saying too. Like, right, Rick, if the value is there, no one complains about the price.
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Zach Nannini
Well, I think you look at it very simply. If it's $6,000 to go to the grand, but then these changes are made and now it's $6,073. I don't think anyone's gonna not go because of the $73.
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John Slinker
Right, right.
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Zach Nannini
Yeah. But, but, but you, you have to, you know, you have to be really careful now.
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Joey Charnigo
Right.
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Zach Nannini
Because if it was like, you know, $100 per event in the all around, I mean, or $400 or five if it started to get to a large number, that is really going to scare some people away. And I know the verbiage in the rules is no compulsory. So I, I'm not seeing this as a compulsory purse. I'm just seeing this as target prices go To Y and X amount of money is divvied out per entry.
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Rick Marshall Jr.
It's just like sporting, which.
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Zach Nannini
Exactly.
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Rick Marshall Jr.
You don't shoot a lot of registers for. And like Joey and I do, they will list like, hey, it's $100 entry, $25. Back to class.
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Zach Nannini
Back to you. Yes.
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Rick Marshall Jr.
So $75 is going to the club. 25 is going back to the class of each shooter. Now, you could definitely do it that way. You could word it that way. And if, if, you know, I mean, there, there's several ways to skin a cat, as we say.
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John Slinker
You know, I think, I think what, what, what we have to do too is we can't. What I see a lot from putting shoots on and promoting shoots is a little bit of reluctance on, like, oh, well, you know, we don't want to scare anybody away. You're only going to scare people away if they don't understand what you're doing.
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Rick Marshall Jr.
Okay, well, plain and simple, John. Yeah.
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John Slinker
Yeah. Right. So we have to talk about it, right? So I think if we, if you broke it out and you said it's 100 bucks and all this money is going back to you and you talked about it, because this is the, the other thing that the ATA and state boards and everybody needs to do. If you're doing something cool and it's for the shooters talk about it to be. You got to be out there talking about it. Like, they have to know and John, John, hold on.
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Rick Marshall Jr.
Let me stop you. Let me stop you. Hence, that's why Nevada State shoot has been such a great success the last three years is one. The board, all you guys work together, right? Along with, you know, all of us here, the four of us here helping out with, you know, any issue, you know, what do you think about doing this? Because you're talking about, you're asking shooters, and that's what I think. I think some of our membership is failing at is they don't understand. So they're like, we're just going to go do something else, you know, because.
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Zach Nannini
Another set of people that needs to be thanked is everyone that listens. I mean, if it wasn't for the people that are listening to us giving us the energy to say, hey, how can we document this? Or how can we make things better? Everybody coming to us and saying, you know, thank you guys for helping. You know, we're just a tool in this thing. You know, we're just spreading the message. But all these messages that came in, they're not from us guys. I mean, they're from from the shooters that shoot the game across the country. And so, you know, I think listening to the customer is the number one priority when a business is, is trying to expand, get better, whatever you're trying to do. I mean, I think the reason why Apple's so successful is because they were intuitively listening to their customers. They were intuitively saying how, how are we different? What are we doing? How are we critiquing this to make it better so that people would, would see it as something that they have to own. You know, nobody would have thought that, that Apple was going to be making phones back in the day.
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Joey Charnigo
Right.
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Zach Nannini
But look where they're at now.
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John Slinker
Well, I just want to circle back to what you're saying about getting the word out there and talking about stuff. It is very important. But I will tell you, and you guys know I talked a lot about, you know, promoting the 77th, right. But I would still get people going like, hey, what's this thing with the shell giveaway? Or what's this thing? It takes a lot. You have to pound it out there so many times. And I think more communication from the ETA would really help that. But I think at some point we've got to take the reins off a little bit and try some stuff, right? And yeah, kind of get out of.
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Joey Charnigo
The, out of the rut a little bit. And to your point with.
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Talking about people understanding and when they don't understand. My back fence shootout, the first year we did it Ohio, we got about a third of the people at the shoot that participated in the event. After everybody saw how it worked, I had so many people come up to me and say, man, that was really awesome. Next year I'm going to shoot that. And we doubled the entries. We got over half the shooters that were at the shoot that shot in it the next year. And we kind of had the same experience at Nevada this year. We had one third of the people that were there shot the event. But then after, at the end of the day, they saw everybody hanging out all the cool prizes we gave away, all the shoot offs, all the fun stuff that we did and the extra stuff. And they realized this isn't just for the top guys, this was for everybody. And everybody who participated had a chance at something. And I think next year it's going to grow just like Ohio did. So it's just a fact that people don't understand.
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John Slinker
Yes, I think it will too. And just to highlight a couple of the things that people commented in this theme, so we had a couple of comments here Eliminate the pots and pans for trophies and go with metals or cash or silver. Right. You know, we had some people saying, hey, the AT is collecting all these dues. Can they throw some more money into the, you know, to the pots for winners? And I think if, you know, to your point, Rick and Joy, what you guys were saying about not only do you take the 10 bucks in or the 3 bucks in, you get sponsors to match it, you get the ATA to match it. Now, it's really big.
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If we could pull off just one of these things where the ATA as an organization had a hook to talk about to go out there and say, hey, guys, at the next Grand American, prepare yourselves. The target prices are going to $55. Everybody be like, oh, my God. What do you mean, $55? And then they'd be like, but, you know, 20 of that is coming back to you, and this is what we're going to do with. They would be like, oh, you know, it would. If anything else, it gives you something to talk about and then gets a little bit of buzz going about something. And I just think that more people would say, all right, let's go check it out.
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Zach Nannini
Let's see.
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John Slinker
Maybe. Maybe we'll, you know, maybe we'll get that good day out there. And, you know, like Mitchell Loveless, his dad say, maybe the trap gods will give you just one good day a year. Maybe it'll be a grand American.
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Rick Marshall Jr.
Well, no, you're right, though, John. I mean, that's the thing is you. You. And, like, back to what Joey said, too, is people not understanding what's going on. Okay? Explaining it all your videos, you do every annoying video. I mean, the videos that come out. No, I'm just kidding. But no, seriously, though, I get people that are like, I. I hear John all the time on there. And I'm like, but it's a different video because it's explaining stuff, and that's what we need. And that's part of the deal that. And you want to make something great like we've done at Nevada. I mean, listen, I tell everybody I just came back from Florida teaching. You know, I was talking to Thomas Harrington down there who's on their board with Florida. I said, you guys want to make your state shoot great? Talk to John Slinker at Shotko. You know, because it's all about marketing the stuff. Why do you think the back fences turned out the way it is? You know, I mean, it's. It's the marketing. They're putting it out there. People understand it now and then everybody, I mean I'm getting calls from people which I got to return a couple calls and I'll talk with Joey about it, but Iowa State shooting mentioned something about hey, we'd like to see about a back then shootout. You know, I'm like, well that's not my deal, that's Joey's. We'll get you with Joey and you know, we just help out. So these are little things. And, and honestly if we could get a back vent shootout at the Grand American, I think it would be gangbusters.
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John Slinker
Game changer. Yep. And you know what the ATA could do as a stipulation? They could say like, okay Joey, we'll let you do the back fence at the grand, but only people who shoot that day's event can enter or something like something where they are getting some, like something that drives their numbers. Right. So okay, you're just going to come out to shoot the back fence. But you had to shoot that day's events to be able to enter. Then you know, 100% the ATA benefits. Right. More shooters, more benefit to the ATA. Right. They get, they get that side of it. Like they, the ETA has some good leverage here where they have a property, they have the Grand American, they have this huge member base. They could leverage that and say, sure, we'll let you do that. But at the end of the day, more people coming through the door and more attention on the Grand American is going to make it easier to close deal with sponsors. It's going to make it easier to do different things that you want to do. And I will say a lot of people just again on this theme, we're saying like they don't see the value in the trophies. Right. And judge what you will, different shoots give out different levels of trophies. Okay. So that, that's just going to be what it is. But if we just talk about the Grand American, they don't see the value in the trophy. Well, some of the other shooters do.
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Zach Nannini
Right.
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John Slinker
Because that's, you know, that's definitely, you know, winning your first trophy. Of course we have, we have trophy cases, trophies on them. I look at their memories. They're just, they're just memory reminders of like, oh, I remember when we were there. So I'm not saying do away with trophies but if you, you know, like our state has 60 at shooters. So if, if I didn't bring in another 400 and some odd from out of state, we'd have a very small shoot. Okay. So if we look at it like that through the Grand American, we say we want as many shooters to come to the Grand American because it. Growth solves everything. If we grow the ata. Excuse me, grow the Grand American, it solves a lot of things that they want to do.
- [29:45]
Joey Charnigo
Right.
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John Slinker
Or maybe the ideas that we. That they have we could help with. You know, it just solves that because you get more people, more entry fees, more things that you can do. Right. It just solves everything.
- [29:55]
Rick Marshall Jr.
Yeah.
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John Slinker
I would love to see him, like, just take a. I want to say risk, but it's not really a risk.
- [30:02]
Zach Nannini
Economy is a scale, you know.
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John Slinker
Yeah, well, it always is.
- [30:05]
Joey Charnigo
Yeah.
- [30:05]
John Slinker
But take a chance on doing something cool like this, you know, because I love these ideas. I think it'd be awesome.
- [30:09]
Joey Charnigo
Go ahead. Well, what I was going to say. So the Grand American, when you go there, there's no target requirements or prerequisites. Anybody can show up and shoot at the Grand American, which I kind of disagree with a little bit. The way that they're doing all these satellite grands and everything, it's killing the small club. So if you get somebody that shows up and they don't have their target requirements, give them a fine or a fee of $20 or $50 or something and put it towards a gun club fund. I believe they have a gun club fund where you could give this money back to smaller gun clubs or come up with a way to help promote these smaller gun clubs. Is kind of a way of saying, hey, we want you to shoot, but you need to shoot some more events. You can't just show up at the Grand. This is the world championship. This is the as big as it gets. You can't just show up here when all these other people have put their time and effort in. There's going to be a late fee or whatever you want to call it, just because. And you're going to be penalized for that stuff. But come up with a way to take that money and push it towards the small gun clubs and help growing the ATA across the the nation somehow. With that.
- [31:19]
Zach Nannini
I agree. I think there's twofold to this, right. You've got. You build a better shoot and you draw the shooters. Right. Which is great. But the other secret that I relay on, like what John's saying about the big checks and the marketing is the people that have never shot that we need. Because the problem is, is there's only so much juice to spread. So let's just say we. We. Nevada is the greatest state shooter in the world. And I'll agree with that. Right. And we get Nevada to the biggest shoot in the world, right? Well, now everybody's going to Nevada.
- [31:47]
Rick Marshall Jr.
Hey, Zach, have you been out to 73 Pointers Ranch lately?
- [31:50]
Zach Nannini
You know I have. Rick and Carla Burke have been great. I normally hunt pheasants and chukar down there, but now they got a brand new sporting clays facility and it is top notch. I shot it the other day, absolutely loved it. And if you guys haven't, you need to go give it a check out.
- [32:05]
Rick Marshall Jr.
Well, I'll have to come out and do a little hunting and we'll shoot.
- [32:07]
Zach Nannini
Some sporty clays then 45 minutes from St. Louis Airport. Come see it if you haven't. Guys, check them out. Hey folks, if you're wondering where you can get your merch, head on down to Shop Trap Talk podcast dot com.
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Rick Marshall Jr.
Yes, folks, you can get hats, T shirts, sweatshirts. They even have a ladies tank, shooters, towels. We might have some new stuff coming out for the 2026 year. Who knows?
- [32:28]
Zach Nannini
We got all the swag. Head on down to the website. Thank you so much for being Trap Talk supportive.
- [32:32]
Rick Marshall Jr.
Thanks, everyone.
- [32:33]
Zach Nannini
You know, Rick, when you're walking down the line, you see smoke ball after smoke ball after smoke ball. What, what are you thinking in your head?
- [32:38]
Rick Marshall Jr.
I'm thinking there's some good set targets and they got to be a white flyer.
- [32:41]
Zach Nannini
They got to be white flyer. I mean, we were just a Nevada state shoot. We were shooting these things for the 27 yard line. They looked like 16 yard smoke balls. And I'm like, only a white flyer can smoke like that. And we love them. And they've been supporting the show since day one.
- [32:54]
Rick Marshall Jr.
That's right. Thanks for all the support, white flyer.
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Zach Nannini
You know, Rick, I just love having the peace of mind and knowing that if I'm traveling or I'm flying, something happens. I can get my winig and my Craig off replaced quickly and easily without costing me a bunch of money.
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Rick Marshall Jr.
Yeah, exactly. The gun and trophy insurance. It's the best out there to ensure your guns, ch, your trophy, animals, everything.
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Zach Nannini
Thank you to the whole Cushman family for supporting the show and everything they do for trap shooting.
- [33:16]
Rick Marshall Jr.
Absolutely. Get a hold of Cole Kushman and he'll get you set up.
- [33:19]
Zach Nannini
Well, now they're not going somewhere else because at the end of the day, that is true. You can't, you can't go everywhere. And so I'm a realist and I want to speak about the truth. And you know, if you make these six or seven or eight shoots across the country, really awesome. Smaller clubs are going to probably. Or smaller shoots are probably going to fall at some level unless we start getting new shooters, which is where. Where marketing has to happen to show, well, this is why you should become a trap shooter. This is why, you know, you should go down this path or we should steer you from an SCTP or an AIM to say, hey, you know, come back to the sport for these reasons. Touching on the trophies, I think it's really important to discuss this in detail because there's a lot of people that have never won a trophy, and when they win a trophy, you could bring them a bucket of cash and they would tell you, I don't want it. I want. I want a trophy. Because they've shot so long that that's what they want. And one idea that Sean Holly shared with me, which I thought was a really powerful idea, and this is his idea, not my idea. So. So correct me if I'm wrong, Sean, in the comments, but, but, you know, he said something about the idea of, well, you know, with some clubs, you could know even a satellite grant, if you won something, you could take a voucher or a gas card or cash or shells or whatever it is. But there's also a catalog of all of these trophies that you could pick through, and then you could, you know, order a specific trophy, and then maybe that trophy would have that person's name engraved on it, or you build up enough points at the shoot, and then at the end of the week, you could trade those all in for one really big trophy. And kind of like you do with your. Your Rapid Rewards miles on your credit card, right? Like you save them up and you can go to Tahiti or you can.
- [35:00]
John Slinker
Buy at Dave and Busters.
- [35:02]
Rick Marshall Jr.
Yeah.
- [35:02]
Zach Nannini
You can get, you can get 10,000 Subway sandwiches or one trip to Tahiti. Right. Like you, you. You. You don't necessarily have to eliminate trophies because I think there's a lot of people that are going to want trophies. They're going to want that accolade. They're going to want what's going on. But then if I look at like maybe Ricky Marshall, for example, Ricky Marshall might say, I don't have any room in my house for more trophies. I would love some gas money or some, you know, some. Some gold or silver or. Or whatever that might be. So.
- [35:30]
Rick Marshall Jr.
So Zach, talking about that? Yeah, well, talking about that. So we, we mentioned this years ago to the ATA about it. And the one thing is, the shoot that did this, where Sean's talking about, I'm sure, is San Antonio The Southwest Grant, they used to give away gift cards. You. They would give you a piece of paper and. Or email, whatever it was, and it would say, okay, you get a choice of four different trophies, or you got a gift card for $50, 75, a hundred dollars, whatever it was. Two Cabela's, you know, a Bass Pro. Now, this is when they weren't together. So Cabela's or Bass Pro or like Shields or something.
- [36:18]
Zach Nannini
I remember. I remember I got a gas card one year. It was a hundred dollars. Well, you could get.
- [36:23]
Rick Marshall Jr.
Well, you could.
- [36:25]
Zach Nannini
Yeah, yeah, I do remember I filled out the sheet and I liked it. And, you know, what they had there also that made people feel really good. And I'll give them the credit for this. So we're just stealing other people's ideas. They had some trophies there that were matched out of the magazine that the people could take the pictures with. So you go up and you say, hey, here's our trophy. You know, you're taking a picture, you get your. Your grand day. You get to be with your squad and hold your gear so you're still looking cool in the picture. And then you'll have your stuff shipped to your house or whatever. If you choose the trophy, how was it?
- [36:55]
John Slinker
How was it received? Like, how did.
- [36:57]
Rick Marshall Jr.
Great. People loved it.
- [36:59]
John Slinker
So how did people like it?
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Zach Nannini
I. I loved it.
- [37:02]
Rick Marshall Jr.
Yeah. I mean, I used to get. John, what I would get was. It was funny, is you could get any gift card. And so honestly, you know what? I'd get Walmart gift cards back then. Why? Yeah, because you could use them at the d. You could use them at the diesel pump.
- [37:19]
John Slinker
So there you go. That's not bad. That's not a bad idea. And I like having the trophy there. So you can say, hey, this is the one you could order. You know, this is one you can get if you want it. If not, take this gift card, right? Because some of the people are.
- [37:32]
Joey Charnigo
They.
- [37:32]
John Slinker
They're trophied out. And that's why some of the comments came in. You know, they're just like, hey, I've got enough. I'd rather offset the cost of traveling around to these shoots, right. In one way or another. I. I think that's an ingenious idea. I think that's really.
- [37:47]
Zach Nannini
Well, the other thing that you're a little. That you haven't been there, John. You never went to the old grand at Sparta or no Vandelli. Is that correct?
- [37:56]
John Slinker
No, I missed that.
- [37:57]
Zach Nannini
No, I didn't. So. So what they did before, and this was how it used to be, and I don't know why they got away from this. But for whatever reason, you used to pay for your targets, and your targets used to come with shells. So anybody that's newer to shooting, you would. You would pay the $60 for 100 targets at the Grand. But the rule was you had to shoot the brand new shells and you could pick Remington, Winchester, Federal, whatever the brands were at the time, and you get exactly what you want. Well, at the time, you would have on your ATA card to the shell house. You go to the shell house and you'd swipe and it'd say how many boxes of shells you have left to pick up. So it was like a credit. And I thought to myself, well, why wouldn't you introduce that same program at, like, the satellite grants, where if you won five flats of shells, well, now they're on your ATA card. And now you could go to each of the satellite grants instead of having to lug shells. When I fly to Florida, if I've won them, you know, you have an official shell of the ATA or whatever that might be to where you can go swipe and you can get your flats back out at various shoots. I always really liked that, especially because I was flying in from California. I'm like, this is a big lifesaver for me now for other people, they hated it because they could drive and bring their shelves, but. But it kept. It kept everyone from shooting legal. Everyone shooting legal loads. No, you know, reloads or no, you know, cheating loads.
- [39:17]
I'm sure, I'm sure you would hope.
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John Slinker
You would hope that the ATA was getting that ammo at a discounted rate because they would be buying.
- [39:25]
Rick Marshall Jr.
So the ATA didn't have to pay for that ammo up front, John. They basically. The ammo was sent. They paid for what was used. And then dealers would buy, or distributors would buy it back because Dean Bright with Sunset Distributors used to buy all the pallets of ammo at a better rate.
- [39:46]
Joey Charnigo
So.
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John Slinker
So, hey, just to stay on the. Because I like that too. And just to stay on the trophies for. For one more subject. So when I look at sporting clays and some of these other shotgun sports, I see that the trophies across the board, except for the champion trophy, right, is like a pendant medal, Olympic style, but it's all the same. Like, if you won 20 events, you see the pictures of these people coming off the sporting clays events, and they'll have, like an arm full of, like, just ribbons with pendants on it, right? But it's like Oh, I won these 12 events. Some of them all the same, right?
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Rick Marshall Jr.
Yeah, right.
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John Slinker
But not the champion trophies. Because I was thinking like if we talk about how do you reinvest? Because a lot of the comments came in too. It's like, wow, there's a lot of categories you have to get trophies for and there's a lot of yardage groups.
- [40:33]
Zach Nannini
You have to get trophies.
- [40:34]
Rick Marshall Jr.
Right.
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John Slinker
So there's all of that cost down to the states. Right. I mean, has our sport ever had a situation where it's like, okay, well you know, all of the trophies except for champion and runner up, let's say are all the same. It's just like a big pendant, you know, on the, you know, have we. I don't think we've ever done anything like that in trap. Right?
- [40:52]
Rick Marshall Jr.
No, I don't. I think it's always been different. You know, they use different. I mean there's, you know, they have sponsors that are, you know, trophy manufacturers and stuff. Such as, you know, Sterling Cut glass and, and you know, some others. I think Molly's might be a sponsor too.
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John Slinker
I don't know too. I'm pretty sure.
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Zach Nannini
Yeah.
- [41:10]
Rick Marshall Jr.
Yeah. So I, I mean I don't think that would be a bad thing by any means. But I think that the trophies, I think we need to go back or go to a credit card style system where you know what, you could bank.
- [41:24]
John Slinker
Up points and you might, you might bank up enough points and pay for half the grand, like, oh wow, you know.
- [41:31]
Zach Nannini
Well, or if it's to the trophy you could get like if you're like, well instead of getting, you know, like for me, because I'm always winning runner ups and thirds and never champions like Joey and Ricky, but you know, these.
- [41:42]
Rick Marshall Jr.
You know, grand singles.
- [41:45]
John Slinker
Well yeah, you are the autumn grand singles champion so we don't need to.
- [41:48]
Zach Nannini
Tell too many people about that. But, but what I, what I know is I, I could take like my six runner ups and thirds and fourths and fifths and add them all together and then get one really nice big trophy or something along the lines of that. I think there could be a system where it gets kind of funky is, you know, Rick, when you're riding around your air conditioning and your nice can am and I'm walking, I'm thinking to myself, where do I get one of these things?
- [42:10]
Rick Marshall Jr.
At Big Red Motorsports, that's where you get one. George or Jason Lee, they'll take care of you, Zach.
- [42:16]
Zach Nannini
I mean, I need one. I'm tired of riding on the back of that cooler. I want to sit inside that cab and roll around in style. I mean, my face is on the back, but help me out.
- [42:24]
Rick Marshall Jr.
Listen, I'm gonna move your face to the bumper is where it's gonna get moved for the new one, okay? All you need is a little quiche and we can take care of you. But listen, bigredmotorsports.com thanks Jason and George Lee and big red motorsports for all the support. They'll take care of you folks. And it's free delivery.
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Zach Nannini
Hey, folks, we really want to thank Remington for supporting the show. Since day one. I've been shooting the STS, ounce and eighth light eights for singles and doubles and the Nitro 27 from the 27 yard line. Ounate seven and a half. They make a great product. You should give them a try. And as always, thank you for the support. Hey, Rick, we got to take a second. We got to thank outlaw engineering and the Freston family for supporting trap shooting and supporting trap talk podcast. They've been here for us. They're great people.
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John Slinker
Know.
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Zach Nannini
You know him real well, Rick.
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Rick Marshall Jr.
Yeah, I. I've known Randy since 1988. R2 and. And the family, they're great supporter of the show. Coupe just won the autumn grand handicap championship with a 97.
- [43:17]
Zach Nannini
I know, I was there. I got to interview him. It was great. I was so proud of him. He's doing a great job. Hashtag, where's Coop? He's somewhere with that big buckle. He's having fun.
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Rick Marshall Jr.
So that's.
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Zach Nannini
You need anything engineering related, get a hold of Outlaw. They'll take great care of you.
- [43:30]
Rick Marshall Jr.
Great folks.
- [43:30]
Zach Nannini
Thanks.
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Rick Marshall Jr.
Thanks for all the support, Outlaw.
- [43:32]
Zach Nannini
You know, Rick, I know you had a lot of involvement with them since the beginning, since they started. But I really love the way that the shot tracker, you know, catches the doubles from shot to shot with the looping. You know, tell the folks what they need to know about that system.
- [43:44]
Rick Marshall Jr.
It's the best system out there. It's like having a coach on the end of your barrel, like we say, but going especially in doubles from first shot to second shot. You can see it on the graph. You can see it on video.
- [43:54]
Zach Nannini
Yeah. I mean, if you talk about that J hook with Sean Holly and all them, I mean, it'll literally show that loop. And I think that's really powerful if you're doing it. They've supported the show since the beginning. They love trap shooting. They're great people. Give them a shot, folks. They make a great product.
- [44:07]
Rick Marshall Jr.
Take aim technologies.
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Zach Nannini
If there's a lot of different distributors like A lot of different trophy companies involved in this or a lot of different, I think it needs to be logistics, right? Logistically, it needs to be more clean. Where, like this is our catalog, this is what we use, these are our approved vendors.
- [44:22]
John Slinker
Well, you could, you could essentially make one trophy company very rich. You know, if, if the ATA went with one company and said, okay, you're going to be our, our trophy people. People are going to come in and either take a trophy or they're going to take a credit and they're going to get to choose from your catalog. I mean, the ATA has such leverage over volume, right. That I think they could probably do something like that. But you know, I, I, I love all, all these comments on, on this subject. I just, you know, I have to read a quote here from Joey's comment here. He said, I have a hard time convincing any of my friends to come shoot and compete. When they ask me what can I win? And I honestly have to say, well, nothing really. And then they say, so I buy a $15,000 gun, 100 case of ammo, an $8 round of practice and there's not much for you to win. I think I'll just go drink a beer. I think if nothing else, if we hear that and we go, okay, well, we have to solve that problem. There's 45 guys shooting at Joey's house on a Monday night. We could be, we should be able to pull 50% of them, 30% of them. You know, how do we, how do we, yeah, how do we adjust and get over that hump? Because we have a league here in Vegas. It has 29 to 30 teams of five people. 10% of those people shoot, 10% of them shoot ATA.
- [45:42]
Zach Nannini
So and that's a problem, that's the biggest problem right there. If you've got 30 squads of, they have, you know, they're there, they're in the same town and they're not coming to the shoot to the state shoot. I mean the whole thing when I was a kid growing up was, and this is for me, I didn't know about the grand. Like the first thing I seen was, oh my God. Kingsburg state shoot, California state shoot. Like it was like all year long, all the south bays, the north bays, the Wednesday night leaks, the Thursday night leaks. It was all sharpening your claws to go to the state shoot, the state championships once a year. And it was, it was magical. I mean it was spaghetti dinners that Dan would throw on and it was, you know, live Calcuttas and the beer tent was Popping and Annie Oakley's every night and just kind of like this, this wholesome environment of, like this is, this is trap heaven, right? It's like a field of dreams like we talked about at Dale's, you know, Leo coming walking out of the court at night after the shoot off. I mean, it's, it's, it's dream stuff, right? It's. You feel it in your bones and as a kid, you'll never forget it. And sometimes when I go back to those fields, I get chills because I can remember how many people were there and what it was looking like. And you have to give that wow factor. You have to give something for people to say, I'm going next year and there's no reason why I won't go. And it is on my calendar because like I said, we're fighting for dollars. Dollars have to be spent somewhere. They can either go to, they can either go to Sandals or they can go to Sparta, Illinois and try selling Sparta, Illinois to the family with the food and all the other stuff over Sandals when, you know, when you're, you're not having some fun stuff for people to do. And that's, that's my, my, my personal opinion.
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John Slinker
I, I agree with that. 100. We are fighting for entertainment dollars, and that means they need to be entertained, you know, so on, on another note.
- [47:32]
Zach Nannini
Though, Joe, to follow up on what Joe said, you know, Rick, I was at the Autumn grand and the Nevada State shoot, and I was just really impressed with how I could see where my squad was when I was up. Just the technology, the ability to be able to see what options I've played if the event's paid or not. I mean, what's your experience with, with the app?
- [47:50]
Rick Marshall Jr.
Listen, SOS Clay's app, it's the best thing out there, folks. You can see everything. It's great. You see your option payouts. You can see when you're up, you can see who's paid on your squad. Sometimes Zach does that pay on time.
- [48:01]
Zach Nannini
But I get out there. But what I really think is, is for gun clubs, it's free. Call Greg, get a hold of them. He'll set you up. He'll get you running. Right? And if you pay the, the premium once a year, you get free pre squatting in all the shoots. And that's the best value in trap shoot.
- [48:15]
Rick Marshall Jr.
Absolutely. SOS clays.com Rick, I really think that.
- [48:18]
Zach Nannini
Gunfit's probably the most important part of shooting big scores. Would you agree with that?
- [48:22]
Rick Marshall Jr.
Absolutely. I think Gunfit is The most important.
- [48:25]
Zach Nannini
Thing, I mean, most of the top all Americans are shooting custom stocks. I know when I got my custom stock, my scores went up. I broke 100 trips in the 27 within seven days. I mean, I'm sure your experience has been similar.
- [48:35]
Rick Marshall Jr.
Yeah, I've been shooting a custom gun stock for 20 years. Winning. If you want to win championships, get a. Win a gun stock.
- [48:42]
Zach Nannini
Yeah. Call Bobby, call Luke. I mean, we got the stock whisper over there, Bill, Give them a shot. They're great and they know what they're doing.
- [48:48]
Rick Marshall Jr.
Absolutely. Winning dot com. Check them out.
- [48:51]
Zach Nannini
I do think that you need to reward the game's champions. If there's people that are the greats, you need to reward them because they've put the time, the effort and the energy in to be great. And how, how silly would we feel if when Michael Jordan won a national championship, you know, winning a ring, you know, everybody's kicking together to give them, you know, five bucks, Right? Like these are Tiger Woods. I mean, every other athlete in the world that's doing something, they're competing at a high level for something. And these guys are heroes. And people pay to watch these people because it's impressive where this game is really cool because I could literally go watch Leo, watch Ricky, watch Dan, watch the greatest people in the world shoot and be mesmerized. And it cost me nothing to do. It. It cost. There's no, there's no barrier of entry. I mean, you're not just going to go walk onto the course and follow Tiger around all day. It's not going to happen.
- [49:44]
Rick Marshall Jr.
No. No.
- [49:46]
Zach Nannini
And so, you know, I think you got to spread the love around. But it's okay that, that good shooters win. That's not, you know, that's, that's not a bad thing if they're, you know, because everybody has an equal opportunity to it.
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John Slinker
Yeah, I think. You know what, that's a really good point. Like not to. Not to tangent, but not a stigma. But there is a weird, a weird kind of thing in trap where it's kind of like we should celebrate the champions, you know, at that highest level, because we all want those heroes, we want those mentors of the sport. Right? They're out there putting it all on the line. They're traveling around the country, spending a ton of money to go do it, you know, and yeah, I think, you know, this whole thing of like, everyone has to walk away with something or everyone has to win. It's like, no, some days you win and some days you lose. That's Just how.
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Zach Nannini
But wouldn't it be better if on the day that you won, it was something that you could remember and tell stories about? Like. Like how. How, you know, like Isaac at. At Nevada, he won the. The silver shootout. How many people is he going to be able to tell, you know, his kids and his grandkids? Oh, I went to Nevada. They gave out 400 ounces of silver. I won the shoot off. Like, you know, that was his day. And you cannot take.
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John Slinker
He's going to have a.
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Zach Nannini
Can't take a day. You can't take a day away from someone. You can't take a day away from someone. When it's their day, it's their day. I've seen people win the doubles championship at the grand who had never broke 100 doubles, and then bam, that year they won it. And I'm like, there you go. Done deal. Yep, exactly.
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John Slinker
Exactly. Well, hey, we want to. That was a really a great kickoff to this. I think we did cover a lot. Joey, we want to thank you for coming in and helping us talk about this. And we wanted to, you know, have you come in and comment on this because this is obviously, you know, a thing that you've given a lot of thought to and laid out some great ideas. And I personally hope that, you know, on my first day in office running the ETA, that I'm able to. To institute those for you. So.
- [51:37]
Rick Marshall Jr.
Let me know.
- [51:38]
Joey Charnigo
I might need something to do, too.
- [51:41]
Rick Marshall Jr.
Joe for president. That's what they said.
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John Slinker
I mean, I saw that comment in there for sure.
- [51:46]
Zach Nannini
Joe.
- [51:47]
John Slinker
Joe for president of the ata.
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Zach Nannini
So thank you, Joey. You did good, as always.
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Rick Marshall Jr.
All right. Well, yeah, just.
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John Slinker
Yeah, thanks for coming on, man.
- [51:53]
Rick Marshall Jr.
We'll holler back at you. Yeah, you close her down.
- [51:57]
Joey Charnigo
Toilet heads, too, Lou.
- [51:59]
Rick Marshall Jr.
Toilet heads.
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John Slinker
So, Jason, as you looked over that doc, were there any of those themes that kind of stood out to you that you thought would be a good one to kind of dive in? It's a good question. The.
- [52:13]
Joey Charnigo
There's a lot of.
- [52:14]
John Slinker
You got a lot of feedback, that's for sure.
- [52:17]
Zach Nannini
220 comments.
- [52:18]
Joey Charnigo
That's. That's impressive.
- [52:20]
John Slinker
And, you know, I feel like I've seen a lot of those mentioned before. I've seen. But there were some good ideas that I, I think they were all good ideas. It's just. It's always a case of whether, you know, how, how.
- [52:31]
Joey Charnigo
How you could possibly make that happen.
- [52:33]
Rick Marshall Jr.
How you can implement them.
- [52:35]
John Slinker
Exactly. Because I want to talk about that structure with you, too, but I was wondering.
- [52:39]
Joey Charnigo
Yeah.
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John Slinker
Did any of the themes kind of stand out.
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Zach Nannini
Sa.