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Welcome to season four of Trap Talk,
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Thanks everyone.
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Hello, TRAP Talk listeners. I'm your host, Zach Nin. I'm here with my co host and friend Richard Marshall Jr. We just got back from Tucson, Arizona. We've got our tan on. We're getting ready for Florida. It's a fun time. How's it going, Ricky?
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You know, it's another day in tech land. It's Friday, but it's actually Thursday, so.
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Yeah, I had a great time in Tucson this year. Was one for the books for sure. I'm gonna have a lot of fun talking about it and hearing about who won this and who did that. But getting into it, the weather was freaking perfect. I mean, don't you think? It was.
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The weather was. Yeah, the weather was some of the nicest weather I've seen in Tucson in years. Long time.
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You know, it's been, it's been a minute. And I didn't go last year. I went the year before that and the year before that. It was one of those years where you're like, man, did I really, did I pick a good year to go or not? Because I'm like, it was, you know, it was, it was something. And, and I think that has a lot to do with them moving it a week later because that week before you still had kind of iffy weather. And ever since they've moved it later, I, I felt like it's a little better. What do you think?
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Yeah, I, I think moving it helped tremendously with the weather. You know, the targets, you know, they, they went back to the, the, the bands from the Springs, which, you know, I, I didn't mind the, the springs. They were, you know, scores were a little, little less locked up. But no, we needed the bands. You know, they're throwing a better target. You know, everything, you know, went well. I mean, the, the targets were good. You know, Brit and Cory Dalton set the targets. You know, it was, it was a great shoot.
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It really was. And I think, I think the people spoke and basically said what they wanted and, and Tucson delivered and, you know, hats off to them for doing that the management and the people at the powers that be. But the reality is, is it was a huge shoot comparatively. I mean I was looking up the numbers and with the championship events there was a total of 1466 shooters that entered into the, into the championship events, which was 114 more championship entries than the year before. And so, you know, you think about that and there's not a lot of shoots in, across the country where you're seeing any increased attendance, much less 100 people. And I think the only major change that they made from the year before was flipping to the bands and then in the culmination of it being a little bit later. But yeah, yeah, I think, you know,
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there was 114 more in the all around. So basically 40 shooters more per event roughly just say that we gained and, and I think it would have been bigger. You know, there was a lot of people on the fence. You know, the, there was a lot less open camping spots than last year. You know, and that was, that was to do with, you know, Tucson now charges they were charging for this shoot just for the shoot for versus the old way was, you know, you had to pay the whole month. So a lot of people, you know, the workingclass people that, that can't be there for the whole month, you know, they bring a camper down and it cost them $1,000, you know, to camp or I don't know what is 700 and then you know that and you know it's too much. Yeah, yeah.
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I think, I think you as a gun club, it's a business first of all. But you have to think to yourself, okay, if I've got all the spots filled and everybody's doing monthly, that's one thing. Obviously take care of your monthly people or your long term people first. But if you've got spots there and you're throwing a shoot and you're not able to rent it out for the week and there's spots there that doesn't make any sense to me. And it almost likes you're taking advantage of the situation, taking advantage of the shooter. And you know, I don't like that. I like the, I like that they made that change. I think it's rewarding them tenfold. I think we've seen it in the camping. I mean when I pulled in there the first day I could, I said holy crap, I've never seen so many campers. I mean the last time I seen campers like that was like 20, 10, 11, 12. Like it was a long time ago before they were that full. And it was back in the day when they just built the. The line. Because I remember being when we only shot on the right side of the gun club where we didn't have all that, you know, that new field to the left that Bill and Leanne and them put in. And that was, you know, a completely different shoot back then.
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Yeah, yeah, it was, it was a lot. You know, you shot all the way down to bank one. You know where the ZZ Ring is now. Yeah, you know, but yeah, it's, you know, the, the club is. Has grown. They don't use all those traps, you know, so it's kind of, you know, you're shooting some in the skeet houses and some not and you know, and, and if the windy conditions can play with the targets more in the skeet house, I think, than in the open area. So it is kind of luck of the draw sometimes, you know, on.
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Yeah, I mean, I think I, and I like that, that clubs are luck of the draw. I mean, I know there's some clubs where you can pick your squad and pick your bank and kind of post up. And I know that's how they do it at the Grand. But if, if you're asking me my opinion, I like rotational banks. I like not knowing what you're going to get on because I feel like some people, you know, post up camp on a bank and if you're there all week long at a certain shoot, I mean it's going to, it's going to make you shoot a little bit better than if you were more of
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an advantage, as you know. And, and that's why I wish like Florida, which we're heading to Florida. I wish they would do. You know, you got 12 events, you got 12 banks. You, you start for the overall and you start on bank one, your next event's two, next events, three, next event's four, just move on down the line and you're going to shoot every bank. That's, in my opinion, that's the fairest way to do something at some of these clubs. Then you get some clubs like, you know, we go to, you know, Bunker Hill in Illinois and it don't matter what bank you shoot there. They're all about the same.
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Yeah, I mean, there's some places where it makes a big difference and there's some places where it makes no difference at all. And, and that's where you have to kind of decide what is the best system to use and then, you know, where, you know, I like that idea of shooting every Bank. But the problem becomes, if I want to, you know, like we do, we usually squad pretty late in the first event and pretty early in the second event. We've got two different squad numbers. So when you've got two different squad numbers, I mean, you know, it would be almost impossible unless everybody was assigned a squad. Hey, at this shoot, your squad 25, and that's your. Your squad number no matter what. And I know there's some shoots that used to do that where, you know, whatever your squad number was, you had to run it all the way through Kingsburg. The California State shoot. That's exactly how it was for us when we. When we started is if you wanted to be a Squad 45, you were Squad 45 for every single event. And in doing that, you got an equal chance at all the banks. I mean, they did bank rotation, and everybody shot everything equally because there was no different number, if you will. Okay, So I. I know it's out there, but, you know.
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Yeah. I don't know. How much do you think, you know, you can do it. But there's only, you know, they change the number of banks they run daily.
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Yep.
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You know, depending on the size.
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So here's a question I think the listeners want to know. Ricky, I mean, if you were to pick. And I know what Leo's answer was to this question, but if you were to pick time or bank, would you say time of the day or specific bank? I mean, what. What are you. Time. The.
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The light. Right.
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I mean, so.
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I mean, just light is the most important thing. I mean, it's like we were talking at the Spring grand, you know, one year, you know, I shot most of the Spring grand for years in the autogram with Bill Martin and. And W.D. his son. And. And there was one year we shot Squad One. And for every event, you know, and I was staying at the casino, it was late nights and early mornings.
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So, you know, I've shot that Squad 1 shooting.
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Squad 1's great. On the second, third event of the day, but not the first event, you know. You know, it could be tough, but lighting is, in my opinion, the most important because, listen, you can have the best bank, but if you got the worst light, what's it matter?
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Well, and I think that matters so much because, you know, what is a bank anyway, other than what you're seeing behind it? Right. Like what the trees look like and what the background looks like and what the level. So if you're like, well, I don't like that bank over there in the corner. Because there's a rock out there or a cactus or there's this on the other. I don't look at the rocker. I, I was impersonating another shooter saying that Ricky. But you know what, I appreciate you correcting right there on the spot, folks. See that's the kind of guy you get with Ricky. He just jumps right on and fixes it right there. So, so, so, you know, with that situation you've got, you know, different various banks and people are complaining about whatever it might be.
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Yeah.
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If you don't have the light, what's it matter what's behind it?
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Right? What's is it's very important and, and I, I tell everybody that. And I mean any type of shooting, high school shooting, collegiate shooting, ata whatever it might be, I'm always looking at, at you know, the, the time of day versus you know, your, your bank. And that's why a lot of times I shoot one of the last flights out. Like in Tucson we shot. There was a couple days we were the last squad on our bank and then we were always the, usually the second or the third squad out in the, in the handicap. And then one day I think, or maybe yeah the one doubles we were first squat out but the other doubles were in the morning. So you know, they were, yeah, they were first events so we were later in those, you know. But it's important I, I believe if you can't see what you're shooting at, how you can be able to break it.
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Well, it's the testament if you look at where most of the shooters are shooting, you're seeing where the scores are coming out. Usually you're not seeing the humongous big scores and the doubles on the 9am flight. I mean it's usually yeah, later flights that kind of have, you know, the guys that are, that are shooting them and not to say that you can't break them there, but I mean light is light and you know the best light of the day is probably between, I mean 11 and 2pm I mean where the sun's right over the top of your head. I mean that's probably the best zone.
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If you, if it's over the, the top or to each side is okay. When it gets outside, that's where you're, you're going to get shadows, you're going to, I mean it can be, it can be tough on a left handed shooter shooting later with the sun's in your eyes, you know, or a right handed shooter early in the morning, you know, I mean there's Times, you know, the end of the day, I got my hat on like this to stop the sun from coming in even through the blinders.
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Yeah, you're, you're sitting sideways like Paul Wall on that. You're rolling.
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Yeah, exactly.
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But, but you know, that being said, you know, getting to the shoot, report it, it was a great time. I think, you know, looking at the clubhouse, I mean, they had a steak dinner there one night that was, you know, very heavily packed house. When I looked at the bar at Tucson most nights, there was a ton of people in there, which just shows that there's, you know, some good activity inside the clubhouse and people are, you know, know, staying around.
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Activity at the bar?
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Yeah, there's some activity there. We won't get into that too much. But, but that being said, you know, we definitely want to highlight, you know, the big highlights of the week, you know, and congratulations to, to my co host Ricky for winning the overall and the doubles shot. Fantastic. We'll, we'll go over, you know, the specifics of each of those events. But, but he had another great week and we're always proud of him to represent the podcast well and, and to bring home some trophies. So, Rick, I think we should probably just start with the doubles. I mean, because that was the first championship event. I, you know, and since you won it yourself, I'll, I'll talk on it a little bit. You know, Harlan ended up running 100, Colton Thompson ended up running 100 and then yourself run 100 and then you won in a shoot off. Correct me if I'm wrong, you broke the first 20 and Harlan had a night.
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Oh, you weren't, you weren't there watching is what you're telling me.
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You know, that's right.
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Yeah. Zach calls, he says, I'll be there for the shoot off, folks. My, my host doesn't even show up. No support. I appreciate everybody that was there supporting, though. John was there.
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I was there as you were walking off, basically. It was, it was a very close thing.
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I wanted to be there. I know that, but you, no, you were too busy smoking a cigar or something, you know.
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No, I was just prioritizing my time.
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Oh, whatever. Yeah, yeah. Well, Colton Thompson broke his first hundred, so that was cool for him. And, and we, we shot off and yeah, Harlan let off. Colton was on three and then I was on four and, and I think Harlem missed on the first post. Colton missed on the second post. And then I think Colton missed one on the, about the fourth post and I killed or broke 20 and, and Harland had 19 and I, Colton, had 18. So he won the. Was a junior gold, I think is what it was.
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Yeah, he was the junior gold champion. Yeah.
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So he won junior gold, so. Yeah.
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Other notable finishes we've got Sherrod oaks, broke a 99. John Kelly, Britt Dalton, Freddie Nagel, Brad Johnson. Those were all 99s in the day for AAA, so, you know, congratulations to them. Our friend with the T shirts, Brian Stoa, he broke a 98 and he won double A class champion, so good for him. For ladies, Alexis Fernan won the shoot off in a. In a shoot off with Elizabeth Turns, who was the female captain. She broke a 99. And then I know lady one captain last year. Lady one captain, yep. And lady two winner was Jerry Webb with Sandra Jo Jack winning runner up. So nice. Other categories included, like you mentioned, Colton Thompson for. For junior gold with 100. Chase Dobrinsky, he broke a 99 and won the sub junior all alone. And our friend ziggy broke a 91 in the chair class, so he won that. But. But it was a good morning of doubles. I mean, these. I thought, personally, I thought there was going to be more than three hundreds and doubles. I mean, I felt like it was one of those days where we were going to see, you know, five or six or seven of them.
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Personally, I thought it was going to be more when I got done, you know, you know, we were late and I, I assume, you know, I got him and, And I assumed there would probably be five or six. They were beautiful targets, you know, could have been more, you know, I. I do know. I think Brit missed his last target. Dalton in the doubles.
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That hurts. That hurts.
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Yeah, it. And it. I've done it. It's like, you know, Leo and, And Britt Robinson used to always say, the later you missed, the more it hurts. You know, it's true. But, you know, yeah, it was the doubles. Like I said it. There was the three of us, and I was really kind of surprised about that.
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So, yeah, I, I mean, I, I shot him and I. I only had a 98, but when I got done with it, I was like, there's a lot of room on the table there. Like, there's. There. There's like a. Like, that was a bad 98. You know, when you shoot when you're like, oh, I left a lot there. That was one of those days where I'm like, these are just. They're right here ready to hit. And I figured, yeah, because the, the
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scores, I mean, all week, you know, just Backing up even the start in the overall. There was 2200s on the first event in the overall and the, in the singles. And then there was that first doubles. Yeah, the Yuma doubles. Myself and Eric Munson broke hundreds in that. And, and then the, the handicap that day, Tim Rob broke a loan 99 and, and that was the day that Cooper, you know, he won the junior shoot off. Him and Kane packard shot off and they had 96s and Coop got a half yard. So now he's back on the 26 and then moving on to the, the class singles. There was three five hundreds in that though. So that shows, I think going from
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last year to this year, a big increase in hundreds.
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Well, and here's the one thing too, you know, last year the weather, you weren't there. You were home counting your chickens or doing something. But they had. We had some bad weather last year, you know, off and on, windy. But there was 351 0s in the class singles and then in the class doubles, Chase Jabrinsky broke a lone hundred in that, you know, and we just
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had him on the show. He's a great, a great kid. You know, he's smart and he's doing the right things and you know, I was glad to see him break that lone hunter. He shot doubles like a rock star pretty much all week long.
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Yeah, he shot great.
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You know, Rick, the only thing looks better than these hats we're wearing right now is a bunch of gold and silver from Ron Prescott at mid state precious metal. Show them the goods.
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Listen, all I got silver right now. I won't bring the gold out for
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Zach, but you know, I always want to get that gold.
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He's a great guy. Support him. He supports all the shoots. He supports trap Talk. If you're thinking gold or silver, you need to be thinking Ron Prescott at midstate precious metals. Thank you, Ron.
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That's right. Thanks for all the support.
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You know, Rick, when you're riding around your air conditioning and your nice can am and I'm walking, I'm thinking to myself, where do I get one of these things?
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At big red motorsports, that's where you get one. George or Jason Lee, they'll take care of you, Zach.
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I mean I need one. I'm tired of riding on the back of that cooler. I want to sit inside that cab and roll around in style. I mean my face is on the back, but Help me out.
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Listen, I'm gonna move your face to the bumper is where it's gonna get moved for the new one, okay? All you need is a little quiche, and we can take care of you. But listen, Big RedMotorsports.com Thanks, Jason and George Lee and Big Red Motorsports for all the support. They'll take care of you folks, and it's free delivery.
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You know, Rick, I just love having the peace of mind and knowing that if I'm traveling or I'm flying, something happens. I can get my winig and my craig off replaced quickly and easily without costing me a bunch of money.
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Yeah, exactly. The gun and trophy insurance, it's the best out there to ensure your guns, ch, your trophy, animals, everything.
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Thank you to the whole Cushman family for supporting the show and everything they do for trap shooting.
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Absolutely. Get a hold of Cole Kushman and he'll get you set up, you know, the whole shoot. But then, you know, of course, after the doubles, you know, we go into the old prelim handicap. Tim Rob broke another hundred. You know, broke 99 the first one, but. And then he breaks a 100, and he's a senior vet, you know.
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Yeah, I mean, he. He is. I mean, this is my opinion, but he's probably one of the toughest handicap shooters at that gun club during that shoot.
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Oh, yeah.
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I seen him at the. At the Autumn grand. He posted a 99. He posted a 99 at this shoot, and then he posted 100 again on Friday. And I'm like, this guy. I mean, he's a. That's his cooking. Right. You know, and we talked about home cooking before. I mean, I was. I was a big fan of home cooking at the 20. 20 grand. When they threw it at MTA, I'm like, oh, yeah. I said, bring it on home. I'll enjoy this. But. But you get on a target that you get used to, and you have shot it enough. You know, the background, you know, the traps, and you. You know, it's. It's. It's hard to take it away from a guy that has talent when he knows, you know, what he wants to do and how he wants to do it. Yes, he definitely. He definitely showed that. And, you know, it was overall better scores across the board. You know, moving into the championship handicap, the championship singles, there was. There was 12 two hundreds. Right. I mean, you were one of them.
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Correct. There was 12 of us with two. Yeah. And it was crazy because there was only. I think I was trying to pull it up here. There Was only four of us, I think that were not a category. One, two, three. There's more than that. Maybe four.
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No, I. Edward Johnson. Edward Johnson. You and David. David Malis,
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Kyle Perry. So Kyle Perry was one. Yeah. So it looks like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. I don't know why they don't have. Oh, they don't have Kyle in there.
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They don't have Kyle on the top one because he dropped out 200. But there's definitely 12.
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Yeah, there was 12 and. But yeah, Kyle, David McKellus and me and then Edwin Johnson were the only non categories. So eight categories, you know, two juniors, you know, there was three lady ones or two lady ones or three. No, there's three. Yeah. Alexis and then Shelby and then Jordan, which Jordan goes to the University of Arizona. She was on my squad and shot and I think Shelby was the only one to break 25.
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Correct.
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Yeah.
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So Jordan, that was her first hundred straight ever. And then that was their first 200.
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That was their first hundred and then along with their first 200. And that was the same thing, I think. Was that Edwin's. That was Edwin's first 200.
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It was Edwin's and it was also Alexis's. So, you know, so a lot of,
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lot of firsts going on at the spring. And, and that's what everybody said with the targets. That's why he was actually so on my squad. The shoot off, everybody missed except Edwin. And the other one, the, the lady two is Kimberly Aideen, which Kimberly is a student of mine and she broke her first 200 and she was so happy. And, and I'm going to talk about this for a minute with, with everybody out there. So when you're in a shoot off, the nerves come and, and part of it is controlling it. As you know, Zach, you've been plenty of shoot offs. You, you're gonna get nervous. You just gotta breathe. That's the biggest thing is just breathe. And if you can get your breathing under control, you can calm the nerves a little bit. And I started on post five and Kimberly was on four and she started off calling, you know, pull, pull. As we got into it, it was pull, pull. It started getting quiet.
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The balloon was getting empty.
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Yeah, and she's straight too. So Jordan missed first, then I missed on the second post. And you know, that day was Saturday was Bill Martin's birthday, you know, you know, God rest his soul, he's. But I was on five and I shot my first target. I looked and they had the sign off to the side there on the shoot off trap Bill's deal. And I was like, oh, Lord. Because, you know, I, I've shot with him so much. But. And then I got over to post one and I missed one and, and Kimberly was still straight, Ed was still straight. And I'm like, all right, you know, just go through the motions. I know I'm not going to continue in this shoot off because, you know, 24 is not going to get you anywhere with 12, two hundreds unless a tornado blows through, you know, So I just said, hey, just stay with it. And that's one of the things is, you know, don't just start doing crazy stuff so you're missing targets or whatever. But when we got down the end, Kimberly would call and she had her gun up and then she would call again because she wasn't getting a target. And she let one slip on the last post. And when we got done, I congratulated her and I told her, she was so happy. But I said, hey, you gotta call. She goes, I know, I was just so nervous. And that's, and that's a learning deal. Now her next time getting a shoot off, she'll probably handle a little different, which is good learning curve. Absolutely.
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You have to, you have to get. So I think so many people, they get into the shoot off and they expect, okay, they're thinking about winning or they're thinking about the trophy, or they're thinking about this or thinking about that. The reality is you have to go through the motions and feel what it feels like to be in a position to win. Well, a lot of competitors at a high end level talk about putting themselves in the position to win. Now once you're in the position to win, okay, now you go through it, but you have to deal with those nerves every time. They, they're different every time.
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And every round is different. Every post can be different.
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Yeah. And to give you an example, folks, of how different it is, Ricky went in there and he broke a 200 and he broke a 24 on the first box. This is not bad. If I'd have been in that shoot off, he'd have went 600 straight because this is just how he is, okay? If I'd have been standing there with him, there wouldn't have been no miss on that first box because he's got different gears in his little brain, you
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know, let's see, Z. No, I just had a little more to do then. I'm like that. I ain't letting Zach beat my ass in this deal.
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Yeah. But you have to. But that's just how it is. I mean, you know, I get in a shoot off like that and I never get a Ricky Marshall first boss loss. That doesn't happen now.
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You know what? At Tucson it's either if I miss, if I run the first box, I'm going to be there for the duration.
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And I agree with that because the light is bad on that first box. So usually. Yeah, yeah, they, they put it right in that twilight where they can eliminate a lot of people and it's a good idea. I mean I think, I think, hey, throw it. I mean if you got a lot of two hundreds throw it in the twilight because that's going to get rid of some folks right off the bat and get them a little bit quicker and get it rolling. Because even with the twilight, I mean it still ended up going, let me see, at 275, 11 rounds. Yep, yep. So, so you know Weston Anderson ended up winning champion and he was on my squad on, on that day. Shelby and him both broke two hundreds on my squad and Weston ended up winning, winning champ over, over which Kyle
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Perry is who I shot off with at Nevada State shoot for non resident singles champion. You know and Kyle's a heck of a competitor and a hell of a shot and he stood right there toe to toe. And they're from the same area too. I think they shoot together quite a bit. Kyle and Weston if I'm not mistaken. So yeah, no, that was a good, a cool deal. But backing up I just thought of something and, and the reason I'm saying this is John and I were talking the other night the post got put out on, on Leo's. We were talking about stuff and, and with RJ Stewart website going to be shut down here in July. There's a lot of good info on that site. And so we put up the deal of Leo's tremendous 1196 HOA score along with the 200 straight in the 97 in handicap at the Ohio State Shoot in 2009. But we were chatting and John goes hey, how many spring grand doubles have you won? And I said I honestly I, I don't know. I said but I do know one thing. My very first satellite grand championship was the spring grand doubles in 1996. So that was 30 years ago this shoot that I'd won my first one. So it, you know, John's like well that's pretty cool when your first one 30 years ago and you're still winning some 30 years later. So you know it was A cool deal.
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A
It's where it all started.
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B
Yeah. And you always.
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A
You know, I don't remember all of them, but I remember the first one, you know?
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B
You don't.
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A
You don't remember. You know, like if you start thinking about it, you gotta go to the
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B
second one I won. Or the third. But I do remember the first. It was 1996. And I shot off. It came down to myself and Tom Buxman, which you knew. Turbo. Yeah. And he missed his last target in that shoot off. And I won. And I was just like. So that, you know, that was a cool deal, but. Yeah, getting back to the. To the singles. Yeah. Weston shot good all week long.
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A
He was right up there all week.
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B
No, he was. Was he the only one that broke 400 or there was two of them.
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A
No, there was two. There was two 400s in the Martin Lewis. I don't. I don't remember who the other one was specifically, but I. I know it was another. It might have been Edwin. No, it wasn't Edwin. It was.
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B
It was here. I'll tell you. Give me.
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A
It could have been David. You know, Ricky, I know you use it on your barrels, but do you even know what RGS stands for?
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B
No, Zach, what does it stand for?
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A
Really good.
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B
Well, that is true. It is good stuff, folks. I use it to clean my barrels and it does make them shine.
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A
Only problem is I wear white T shirts when I clean my barrels and I get them all messy, so I got to be better at that. But it gets all the plastic, all the gunk out. Give them a try, folks. They're great.
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B
That's right. Give RGS a try. We appreciate all the support. Hey, Zach, have you been out to 73 Pointers Ranch lately?
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A
Yeah, know I have. Rick and Carla Burke have been great. I normally hunt pheasants and chucker down there, but now they got a brand new sporting clay facility and it is topnotch. I shot it the other day, absolutely loved it. And if you guys haven't, you need to go give it a check out.
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B
Well, I'll have to come out and do a little hunting and we'll shoot
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A
some sporty clays then 45 minutes from St. Louis Airport. Come see it. If you haven't. Guys, check them out. Hey, Rick, we got to take a second. We got to thank Outlaw Engineering in the Freston Field family for supporting Trap shooting and supporting Trap Talk podcast. They've been here for us. They're great people, you know. You know them real well, Rick.
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B
Yeah, I. I've known Randy since 1988. R2 and and the family, they're great supporter of the show Coupe just won the Autumn grand handicap championship with a 97.
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A
I know, I was there. I got to interview him. It was great. I was so proud of him. He's doing a great job. Hashtag where's Coop? He's somewhere with that big buckle. He's having fun.
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B
So.
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A
So you need anything engineering related, get a hold of Outlaw. They'll take great care of you. Great folks.
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B
Thanks for all the support Outlaw.
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A
But. But moving on, you know other shooters that I see. Notable mentions Brad Johnson won double A class with a 199. So congratulations to him for categories like we said. Shelby 181 championship with the 25 in the shoot off. Lady 2 Kimberly Troy Nelson won sub vet with a 200. Gary Bonetti ended up getting runner up for the vet. Duran Wagner won because Gary didn't show up to the shoot off. So congratulations to them Both for their 199s. Art Payton won senior vet with a 199. Impressive. Kane Packer ended up winning runner up in the junior with his 200 straight with a 24 and Casey Ramos broke the 25 so ended up winning junior champion. Colton Thompson won the junior gold because Weston broke the 201 98.
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B
Weston's a junior, not junior gold though.
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A
Oh yeah, you're right. I see that here. And Dobrinsky Chase again won another title with the 199 in the singles. I. I have to check but I shoot off. He won four out of five or maybe five.
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B
Yeah he be. He beat Breck and Nemeyer from Nebraska in the shootout. They went three rounds and so that's
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A
another familiar name is Ziggy. Ziggy. Ziggy won the wheelchair class with the 195. So you know, congratulations to everyone who put up their scores in the singles championship. It was a. It was a long fight out there obviously but it was a nice day. I mean it was a. It was another one of those days where you expected a lot of good scores and they definitely came in.
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B
It was a big difference from the year prior that I think I broke 190. I think 198 was. Was high last year and I had a 197 and missed my last one the first 100 for a 99. I was shooting with Ryan Glow and Ryan put up a stellar 181 in the singles championship and he goes that's going to hurt the average a little bit. And I Go just slightly, you know.
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A
Yeah, it takes you. Takes you out of that 99 average for the year. Pretty hard to make that one up real quick.
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B
But yeah, I'm looking here west and. And David were the two that ran the 400. And then in the. Martin, Lewis, myself, Chase And Kyle Perry had 399s.
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A
That's great.
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B
Yeah. No,
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A
in the championships on Sunday, I mean, the biggest thing that I want to highlight is, is Brit. I mean, Britt ran the 101 from the 27. And I don't know how many hundreds that is for Brit, but I know it's getting up there now.
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B
I think someone said that was four for him maybe. I think because he broke one earlier in the year or broke one last year there too. So I think at the autumn. Didn't he?
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A
I. I think he did. I mean, we'll have to go back and look, but you know, I don't. Yeah, I don't want to give the wrong information, but. But he shot great. I mean, he shot handicap for Brit in Tucson is always up there and he's always putting up scores. I mean, he put up an 98 earlier that week and then he put
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B
up a couple 98, I think earlier in the week. Well, in the prelim week I think he did too. But yeah, he broke one earlier in the week and it was windy when he did that and then it was calm and he. And he broke like 94. And I said, what you need the
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A
wind, you know, so Ricky's always there to support a guy. What can I say?
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B
Hey, hey, you know what? The guy's shooting stellar scores in. In the wind, you know, which you know is. You concentrate a little better, you know.
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A
Of course, of course. And, and you know, the scores were up. We had the hundred. Kelly Dwyer had a 99 and Barry Johnson also had a 99 for the runner up in third. And then there was a slew of 98s, Jason fullback Bill Andrews, Robert Schlitma and. And Aaron Willoughby who was on your squad.
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B
And Aaron shot with me and, and he actually. Herb Walmer had 98 also because. Because Herb won the vet with that. But. And then Randall Nun Camp from Nebraska or Ty Randall Nun Camp, which is the sub junior, he had a 98 and won the subjunct deal. But yeah, Aaron shot with me and he missed. I think he missed his first one out on the second box and then like the seventh one and then run
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A
him out for night.
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B
And I, I mean I followed him, broke 95 and you know, I was I wasn't happy with it because I missed one late on the, on the last post from a 95. I'd rather had a 396. And they all ran the 395. But you know, yeah, no, it was good. And you know we had several looks like what Jasmine Hicks won the lady one. Katie Jones was runner up. And I seen Katie post something that was her highest score with her parazi. And then Kelly Kennedy won the the lady two. And then there was a few of them with Pamela Miles it looks like won the runner up after shoot off sub vet was David McMasters with a 98. There's another 98 there. And of course we talked about Herb Walmer, you know winning the vet. And then the senior vet was John Nuttle from Saskatchewan it looks like with a 97. And then senior vet there was looks like a slew of 96s.
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A
Yep. Alone seven and a slew of sixes.
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B
Yeah. For runner up. And then you go into the junior category, Marshall Patrick, which marshall's a student of mine from Nebraska, he broke a 97 and won that. And then Casey Ramos from Nebraska, he broke a 96 for runner up.
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A
So you know, the scores were strong. I mean it was another one of those situations where you went out there and you said oh crap, you have to. You know, I was thinking 8 or 7, 7, 8 or better to even get a chance at it because you know, I, I honestly didn't think there'd be a hundred. I, I didn't.
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B
Yeah, I didn't think so either. But here, let's finish up this real quick. Ethan Prescott, you know Midstate Precious Metals. Ron Son, he won the junior gold with after a forfeit by Colton Thompson got runner up. And then we talked about tyranno non camp was sub junior winner with the 98. And then Channing Garrett who was the sub junior captain last year, he broke a 96 for runner up. Then Richard Moore with an 86 won the wheelchair. So all the scores were stellar. They really, I mean unreal compared to you know the, the year prior. So you know, I think it made a huge difference.
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A
Everything they could to put a good target in the air. I mean they did everything they could. And, and then the weather. Now if the weather doesn't cooperate, there's not much you can do. But at the end of the day,
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B
I know, you know, Saturday it was 90. What was it like 94, 95 degrees on Saturday.
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A
It was warm.
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B
It was warm. We shot the first 100. We were early. We were on 42. And I think you were 43, weren't you?
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A
We were right next to you. Yeah, yeah.
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B
And, you know, Randall, you know, said to me, he goes, we usually shoot later. And I'm like, nah, you want to shoot middle on the, on the singles championship, because if the weather is great and you're shooting late, it's gonna be really hot. And then as the day gets on, it could be a little windy too, you know.
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A
Oh, yeah, no, no, we, the squads were not the problem that we had. I mean, it was. No, it was there for the taken, for sure. So we had a good, we had a good draw and a good run, you know, and with that hundred straight, you know, Brit obviously won the high all around with the 397, which is very impressive. I mean, you know, you get past 396 in a high all around, and that's, you know, that's very rare. I mean, it's not, not as common to break those big, big, big numbers like that, unless you're, you know, at the grand or at a, you know, really big shoot like that and you have a target that allows you to break, you know, a 397, 398, a 399, and, and the, the, the. The ever, ever elusive 400 out of 400.
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B
Right?
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A
So, yep, you know, and, and Brit won that. Ricky won the. Or did you. Did you.
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B
You forfeit. And Jason fullback tied. And, and Doug called me and asked me if I was shooting off, and I said, tell full bag we're going on a hype deal. So I should have won, but it go shows I forfeited. So you forfeited.
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A
So you, you, you lost. Yeah.
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B
So Jason won aaa. Then Brad Johnson, you know, from Canada, he, he won double A. Doug Stanek from Iowa won A. Brecken neymar from Nebraska 1B. Kelly Dwyer from Arizona, 1C, and Case Menke from Nebraska 1D. And then we go into Lady 1, Alexis Vernon, she had a stellar shoot. She won lady one, Sandra Joe Jack won lady two. Pat Stacy, our good buddy from Oklahoma, he won sub Vet. And then our good buddy Herb Walmer from New York, he had a 394 for veteran. Then Larry Tagmeier, great guy out of Texas, he, he won the Senior Vet. And then Kane Packer won the junior from Nebraska, Junior Gold, Colton Thompson, Washington, and of course, Chase Drabinski, New Mexico. And then Ziggy, you know, and then we get into the hoa. And HOA was.
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A
HOA was good, like I said at the Beginning of the show, Ricky won, which we're proud of him. Pat Lamont was the next closest with a 1074 out of 1100. Barry Johnson with a 1071 for the AA. Donald LaBarge with a 1049 won the a class. Robbie Adarshee won B class with a 1035. Philip Schumach won C class with a 1016. And then Mark Banner won D class with a 1022. So all the way across the board, you had pretty strong, strong scores. You know, the. The one that I think was ultimately strong, this is zipping down to the bottom. But Weston, he had a 1071 in the junior. In the junior category. That was. That was pretty impressive. I mean, he was right there, you know, with the top few scores at the top of the week. Alexis won lady one with a 1066. Sandra Jo Jack again with a 1033. Patrick Stacy from Oklahoma. I mean, a lot of these are the same names. I mean, the same people in their categories that are winning. Tim Robb won the senior vet with the 1053. Blaisdell, one veteran with a 1050. Chase secured the overall. Dobrinski with the 1060. And then Ziggy. So the only thing Ziggy didn't win in the chair and we got Colton was Colton Thompson.
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B
He won the Junior gold. You forgot that.
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A
Yep, he won the Junior gold. The only thing Ziggy didn't win was. Was the handicap on Sunday. And then the only thing that Chase didn't win was the handicap on Sunday also for. For their categories respective, which. That, you know, that's impressive. Whenever you can win 4 out of 5 or 5 out of 5 in your category. I mean, that's. That's pretty salty shooting.
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B
Oh, yeah, it's. It is unreal. I mean, you know, but like I said, the. The weather was good, so it makes a huge difference. You know, when you put a good
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A
target in the air, you have an opportunity to break it. You know, we got a great set. The Dalton boys getting the targets in the air the right way, the weather being right. The, you know, the west coast target from White Flyer, which, you know, flies really well there. The bands back from the Seal Springs. I mean, there's a lot of things that are. That are making it work. And then the sunlight of Tucson, I mean, you're not gonna.
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B
Yeah, you're not gonna get better light every day. Yeah, I mean, I listen, this probably goes down in the books as one of the best spring grands as far as weather, you know, and everything, you
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A
know, I was, yeah, I've been to a lot of them and I'm like, from the weather, from the scores, from the competitors, from RVs, from the way the shoot was run. I mean, everything just so smooth. No problems, no issues, you know, because sometimes people get done with the shooting. You know, I hate to pick on the trap shooter, but, you know, trap shooters are complaining about just about anything and, and a lot of times at the end of a shoot, at the end of a shoot and, and there's the talk of the town or you know, what the gun club messed up and you know, what they're doing wrong and what, you know, what's not going right. And you know, and I tell you, one person says it and then 50 people say it, and it's just a, you know, it's a big rumor mill. Right. And, and I can always. Negative stuff, it's negative energy. And I can honestly say going through this shoot, there wasn't anything that I would have really, honestly changed or, or tried to, to say, hey, they're not doing that. Right. Right. I mean, it was, yeah, it was a real solid venue and a real solid effort.
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B
And yeah, shoot offs are run good. They were done. You know, I left, you know, just shortly before you did. You know, I hooked up the fifth wheel and, and I had 18 and a half hours to get home and to drive home, and I left. It was a little after one and Slinker told me that like by 3:30, all the shoot offs were over, everything done. And so that, that shows with that size of shoot, you know, with everything. I mean, they, they run it, you know, pretty flawlessly. You know, it was, it, it's always a good time in Tucson.
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A
The thing that I want people to urge to consider going into next year's spring ground is for numbers. We were only about 20 entries shy in each of the championship events to get this to a six. So it was very, very, very close. And I think, you know, if you're on the borderline next year going into the 20, 27 Spring Grand, I mean, if, if this year is any indication of the momentum for next year, you know, if we could just pick up another three or four squads in the singles, doubles, you know, and that's huge. And for, for anyone that's shooting the doubles and the, in the singles and then pulling out early and leaving on Sunday because you want to get home, I would really urge you to, you know, squad early if you have to get out of there and just get the event shot at least, because, I mean, it matters. It matters in a form of attendance. And, you know, how bad would you feel if you were shooting for points and you were the one person that didn't, you know, didn't finish the shoot for that reason? And you know, the difference between a five and a six? I mean, it makes. It makes a difference. I mean, it really does.
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B
Yeah. I mean, it, it's.
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A
I just love the way they're covering all the shoots across the country. The content, the pictures, what they're doing online, what they're doing on Facebook, Instagram. What do you think?
- [46:04]
B
Yeah. True usa, It's a great magazine. They are the official magazine of our podcast, and we are the official podcast of Traption usa. So we really appreciate it.
- [46:15]
A
That's really cool. And what they got is a deal right now. If you put Trap Talk P in for the print version and Trap Talk D for the digital version, it's 19.99 for the print and $9.99 for the digital for one year. You're not going to find a better deal. So subscribe today. You won't regret it.
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B
Absolutely. Thank you for all the support.
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A
You know, Rick, I was at the Autumn grand and the Nevada State shoot, and I was just really impressed with how I could see where my squad was when I was up. Just the technology, the ability to be able to see what options I've played if the event's paid or not. I mean, what's your experience with. With the app?
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B
Listen, SOS Clay's app, it's the best thing out there, folks. You can see everything. It's great. You see your option payouts. You can see when you're up, you can see who's paid on your squad. Sometimes Zach doesn't pay on time, but it's.
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A
I get out there. But what I really think is, is for gun clubs, it's free. Call Greg, get a hold of them. He'll set you up. He'll get you running. Right? And if you pay the. The premium once a year, you get free pre squatting in all the shoots. And that's the best value in trap shoot.
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B
Absolutely. SOS clays.com when you throw good targets, it'll bring shooters. If you don't throw good targets, shooters aren't going to come. They're not going to come spend their money. And I think this year, you know, they did a great job. You know, there was, you know, the silver shootouts every night. Well, for, what was it, three nights or four nights that they do those courtesy sos, you know, Greg Pink And Slinker couldn't. Or Greg couldn't be down there. He had some stuff happened where the kitchen cabinet fell off the wall and you know, broke his leg and yeah, bad, bad deal. He. He's very lucky. So our, you know, get Wells to, uh, prayers to Greg to, you know, speedy recovery and uh, because he does an awesome job with SOS But Slinker ran them and everybody seemed happy, I mean, with the price of silver, you know.
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A
Yeah, no, and it's, it's a big trophy nowadays. I mean.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And it helps and it's fun and it's, it's another exciting thing that people can do at the shoot. Another shoot off opportunity, another chance to be out there and get under the lights and feel that pressure. You know, there's some people that don't necessarily always get an opportunity to shoot off. And these silver shootouts are now a way where people can get into this and they can feel the experience of shooting off or something for the first time. And I think, you know, that's, that's important to give people that, that, that limelight and that opportunity to, to win something, you know, whatever level it needs to be. So, you know, I, I'm happy, I'm excited for Florida, excited for the Southern Grand. You know, we're going to get down there here in a minute and we're going to enjoy some more sun and shoot some more targets.
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B
We hope it's going to be. Sun should be and the weather should be good, but it's always a fun time at the Southern Grand. We'll, we'll. Zach staying down for the state shoot? I won't be. I'm heading on to the collegiate nationals Tyler and the, the Lindenwood team are competing for. Hopefully they'll win number 19 national championships. So I'll be heading to that. But we'll do. We'll get a recap done on, on all three shoots.
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A
Oh yeah, we'll get some good content and get some more shooters on here. We got some, some good guests that are. That are going down the pipe. Know we appreciate everyone for tuning in. We appreciate everyone for supporting, for wearing your, your Ricky Marshall hats. You know, that's the classic, folks.
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B
Get that merch. Listen real quick. See, I just got back right before I went to Tucson. I went to the Safari Club International show. So hopefully we're going to get some people on from that and great event. And I was wearing my hat proudly at that and had a lot of comments made by vendors, outfitters and stuff. What's that? You know, had a lot of people look it up and, and so shout out to all them if you're listening to, you know, it's a great time. And if you can get out there and support the organizations that support shooting, sports, hunting, everything, it's, it's a great deal.
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A
It's, it's a great time to be in the outdoors. It's a great time to be involved with anything shooting related. I mean, this is all turning and I'm seeing a light at the end of the tunnel. I know people have said that the best trap shooting days are behind us, but I'm seeing so many people get excited about it. I'm seeing so many people, you know, prepare for these shoots, plan for these shoots. There's so much young talent that's coming up in the ranks that wants to swing at the titles all day long. I mean, it's fun and it's, it's not, it's not a gimme anymore. It's like it's anybody's game at any one of these shoots. Yeah, you can go for it and be like, you know, before you'd like, oh, no, these guys always win. Or those guys always win. And, and there's advantages, some shooters that you obviously have the experience, but I mean, right now it's pretty much anyone's game. I mean, everybody's going after it and having a good time and, and, and that's what we do.
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B
Yeah, have fun and stuff, you know, and just remember, get your gun and trophy insurance. Give Cole a call.
- [51:06]
A
Yeah, that was a shameless plug, but I liked it. I didn't hate it. I didn't hate it. I didn't hate it. So thanks for everyone for tuning in. We'll catch you next Friday. Don't forget to like, share, subscribe, send us all your questions and. And we'll see you really soon. Ricky, I'll see you in Florida in a few days. Be safe.
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B
See you in FL in like three days.