State Titles, 200 Straights & 916 Knives: The Packed Life of Chase Dobrinski | Trap Talk Ep. 161

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Detailed Episode Summary

Episode Overview

Episode Title: State Titles, 200 Straights & 916 Knives: The Packed Life of Chase Dobrinski
Podcast: Trap Talk From The Back Fence
Hosts: Zach Nannini & Richard (Ricky) Marshall Jr.
Guest: Chase Dobrinski
Air Date: January 30, 2026

In this episode, Zach and Ricky welcome rising trapshooting phenom, 14-year-old Chase Dobrinski, for an in-depth conversation about his outstanding accomplishments on the range, the mentors and methods behind his success, and his surprising entrepreneurial venture as a custom knife-maker. The episode dives deep into the making of a young champion—his mindset, training, and the community surrounding him—along with practical tips for shooters of all ages.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Chase’s Background & Early Achievements

[02:43]–[05:43]

• Chase hails from Silver City, New Mexico, and began shooting in 2020.
  • Four-time All-American Sub Junior
  • Four-time New Mexico State Team member
  • Youngest person in ATA history to shoot a 200 straight in singles, achieved at age 11.
  • Winner of multiple 100 straights, first 100 in doubles at the Autumn Grand
  • Four New Mexico state titles, including sweeping singles, HAA, and HOA in 2025

“He is the youngest person in the ATA to ever break a 200 straight in singles. He did that when he was 11 years old and eight days.” – Ricky [03:11]

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2. First Experiences & Getting Hooked on Shooting

[06:04]–[10:10]

• Started shooting at age 7 during a family trip for his sister’s 4H tournament
• Broke his first clays at the Whittington Center, where the weather is notoriously unpredictable
• Mentored by Corey and Britt Dalton (the “Dalton Gang”) and Jim Powers, who got him into the sport

“Normally, this isn’t very normal for a kid to go out and hit the first few... After that, it just turned into a pretty big thing that I love to be in.” – Chase [06:58]

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3. Equipment Evolution

[10:10]–[11:53]

• Started with a CZ side-by-side 28-gauge, progressed through SKB and Browning Satori, currently uses a Browning 725 Trap Combo.
• Prefers a consistent point of impact (~70/30) across all barrels.

“Probably close to about maybe a flat of shells for singles, not super high, but for doubles, I’m probably holding about close to two to maybe three.” – Chase [16:57]

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4. Mentors and Coaching

[12:16]–[14:39]

• Credits the Dalton family, Jim Powers, and legendary shooter & coach Britt Robinson for technical and mental gains, especially in doubles.
• Key lesson: Refined hold points—“holding where I can see the target come out and just barely move the gun to the target” [13:37].

“He opened my eyes to holding where I can see the target come out and just barely move the gun to the target on the first bird.” – Chase [13:37]

• Appreciates Robinson’s advice about efficient, minimal movement.

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5. Practice Regimen, Pressure, and Mental Game

[17:49]–[23:32]

• Practices at least weekly, but not in excess; values purposeful practice over quantity.
• Utilizes music (“older country,” e.g., George Jones, Waylon Jennings) to keep himself relaxed and in the zone.
• Avoids checking scores mid-event; focuses on execution rather than outcome.
• Draws on past sports experience to stay steady under championship pressure.

“A lot of it is just practice, honestly. The more you shoot, the better you’re gonna be at getting the handle in those pressure situations.” – Chase [18:21]

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6. Goals and Future Plans

[24:58]–[27:01]

• Short-term: Make AAA 27 AAA, break 100 from the back fence for the Grand Slam.
• Recent goal achieved: First 100 in doubles [25:19].
• Long-term: Intends to compete in collegiate shooting after high school.
• Actively involved in SCTP, AIM, 4H—2024 New Mexico 4H state champion.

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7. Entrepreneurial Journey: 916 Knives

[40:47]–[44:01]

• Self-taught knife maker, crafting custom knives for 3–4 years; operates under the brand “916 Knives”.
• Named after his family’s cattle brand, in use since 1884.
• Sells both pre-made and custom-order knives (including kitchen, skinning, and larger blades), often with custom sheaths he makes himself.
• Uses his business to help fund his shooting.

“I’ve been making knives for about probably three or four years now, and it takes up my time. I’ve got my own little business and keeps me pretty busy.” – Chase [40:49]

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8. Life Balance & Advice for Young Shooters

[48:29]–[50:33]

• Keeps a packed schedule—shooting, hunting, knife-making, school, and working for Doug and Susie Gray (Elite Shotguns).
• Advice: Don’t get discouraged by bad scores—focus on perseverance and learning from mistakes.

“Just keep going. Don’t get discouraged if you break a bad score. All it did was bring my other scores for the rest of the day down... The end result is always better than the current.” – Chase [50:00–50:30]

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9. Technical Gear Details

[53:20]–[56:03]

• Chokes: Prefers Briley chokes—light full for singles and caps, light modified for first shot in doubles (on Britt Robinson’s advice).
• Shells: Remington STS and Nitro 27, noting improvement in breaks and scores with premium ammo.

“I’ve noticed a huge jump up. I had been shooting gun clubs and I noticed a huge jump up in my harder breaks as well as higher scores.” – Chase [53:55]

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10. Philosophy and Final Tips

[56:32]–[57:00]

• The fundamentals matter most: gun fit and keeping your eyes on the target.

“A lot of it’s just looking at the target, honestly... and as long as your gun fits you good, most of the time it’s gonna break.” – Chase [56:32]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Pressure & Achievement:

  “I can remember going in the clubhouse and sitting there watching scores roll in, and it was just that moment of excitement when I saw that I’d won it. It was pretty cool.” – Chase [05:15]

• On Coaching:

  “Getting some help from one of the legends and all time greatest shooters ever, you know, is a cool deal... Yeah, I know you understand it now, but you will later on.” – Ricky [13:04]

• On Practicing Wisely:

  “I don’t shoot a whole lot of practice at shoots... Something’s not working... and got it figured out.” – Chase [22:46, 23:09] “You don’t want to waste those 25s in practice.” – Chase [24:33]

• On the Mental Game:

  “If I don’t keep my grades up then I don’t get to go to shoot, so it gives me an incentive to keep my grades up.” – Chase [38:29]

• On Knife-Making:

  “The 916 is actually my family brand ... my grandparents’ brand. It’s been in the family since 1884... when you take it, you flip it over, it’s the same thing.” – Chase [41:53]

• On Setbacks:

  “Most of the time it’s the Indian, not the bow.” – Chase [51:55]

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Practical Tips from Chase

• Practice under pressure—nothing replaces real competition.
• Music as a focus tool—find what relaxes and centers you.
• Avoid distractions—don’t watch scores or overthink.
• Be purposeful in practice, especially at shoots; don’t waste good scores on practice targets.
• Gun fit and fundamentals are crucial: “Look at the target and make sure your gun fits.”
• Don’t dwell on bad scores. Keep working and focus on the next target/event.

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Segment Timestamps

| Topic | Start | End | |----------------------|----------|----------| | Chase’s intro/accolades | [02:43] | [05:43] | | How Chase got started | [06:04] | [10:10] | | Equipment progression | [10:10] | [11:53] | | Coaching/mentoring stories | [12:16] | [14:39] | | Technique: hold points and setup | [14:39] | [16:18] | | Mental game & pressure | [17:49] | [23:32] | | Goals for the future | [24:58] | [27:01] | | School/life balance | [34:40] | [39:02] | | Hunting and life in New Mexico | [39:02] | [40:47] | | 916 Knives venture | [40:47] | [44:01] | | Advice for younger shooters | [48:29] | [50:33] | | Choke/ammo preferences | [53:20] | [56:03] | | Final thoughts, thanks, and sign-off | [57:36] | [60:54] |

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Chase’s journey is a testament to the importance of support, mentorship, consistency, and grit—plus a touch of entrepreneurial flair.
• His approaches to practice, technique (especially hold points and minimal movement), and the mental game offer actionable insights for shooters at any level.
• “Focus on the target, keep your gun fit, and never let a bad round ruin your success.” – the distilled essence of this young champion’s philosophy.

Links:

• [916 Knives on Instagram: knivesby916]
• Contact Chase for custom orders and info

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[A]

Welcome back Trap Talk listeners. I'm your Host Zach Denini. I'm here with the one and only Richard Marshall Jr. It's a, it's a, it's a happy Friday on the show. Welcome to the show, Rick.

[B]

Thanks, buddy.

[A]

Well, we also have Chase Dobrinsky who is one of the best sub juniors in the country and he's got all kinds of cool stuff that we're going to learn about with his career. Some, some pretty impressive titles obviously that we'll get into. But Rick, would you mind introducing Chase?

[B]

Absolutely. So Chase hails from Silver City, New Mexico, which is in the middle of nowhere. Right, Chase?

[C]

Yeah, pretty much.

[B]

Pretty much.

[C]

Pretty much.

[B]

Chase has been shooting since 2020. So he's a four time All American sub junior, four time New Mexico state team member. But he is one of the biggest, I would say accolades and records are always be broken, but he's the youngest person in the ATA to ever break a 200 straight in singles. He did that when he was 11 years old in eight days, right?

[C]

Yes, sir.

[B]

So yeah, he did that. But he's also got multiple hundreds and he's also got his first hundred in doubles. Just did that at the autumn grand.

[C]

So yeah, just.

[B]

He's won though, four New Mexico state titles. He won the back in 22, he won the state singles championship and then this year, recently in 2025, he won the singles, the HAA and the HOA. So that's pretty impressive. And he's 14 years old, folks. So. Welcome to the show, Chase.

[C]

Thank you. Thanks for having me.

[A]

We're excited to have you, Chase. You know, it's. It's not very often that we can have someone on the show that's so young that's got such a laundry list of accomplishments already, which just means you're getting after it, which we love that here at trap talk. We love it when guys get into the sport and they go all the way to the top and they just, they just run with it. So. So congratulations on your success. The first thing I want to start with before we get you, get you into what how you started shooting trap is, you know, with that title when you were 11. I mean, how did you feel breaking that 200 straight and then winning a state championship not just for your category but for everyone. I mean, that had to be crazy at that age, right?

[C]

No, yeah, it was definitely something that was a major accomplishment. I can remember actually that day it was. I believe it was snowing sideways. No, it wasn't snowing sideways, but it was pretty sure it had rained a little bit that morning. And it wasn't. Definitely wasn't the best of weather, but I think I ended up shooting a 196 that day and won it. My 200 was at the grand, actually. But that day, I mean, it was, it was, it was awesome. I mean, I can remember going in the club clubhouse and sitting there watching scores roll in, and it was just that moment of excitement when I saw that I'd won it. It was pretty cool.

[A]

Oh, wow. Okay. So was it all alone or did you have a shoot off a gunfight?

[C]

No, I believe the closest to me was a 195. So I got one it out right by one.

[A]

So you won. Birded him at 11 years old?

[C]

Yes, sir.

[A]

Well, there you go. Well, congratulations. Sorry for my confusion. I thought when you said you won that title and you broke the 200, I didn't realize that it was at. At the grand and not at your. Not at your state shoe, but.

[B]

So it was at the grand that you broke the 200 to be the youngest. Yes, sir. Was that I turned target or was that in the class?

[C]

No, I believe, I believe that was the. The Winchester Double A or whatever it was.

[A]

The other singles.

[C]

The class singles. Yeah, it was a class single. Said I want it. So.

[B]

Yeah, good for you. Well, good for you.

[A]

Well, let's go way back. So, you know, this is a long time ago for you. I know how old you are, but when you started shooting, you know, one, how old were you? And two, what made you get into the game of trap that we love?

[C]

So I was actually, at the time, I was about 7 years old. I was just about to turn 8, and my sister had actually had a state 22 4H tournament in Raton, New Mexico. So we went up there, which. That's where the state shoots held now. But we went up there and she. She went and shot her 22 stuff. And they decided, my parents decided to go shoot some sporting clays while we were at it. And I kept begging them to shoot. I kept begging them and begging them and begging them to shoot. And finally they let me shoot and I shot and I hit the first few when they kind of like, well, this, normally this isn't very normal for a kid to go out and sh. And hit the first few. And after we got back, we went to our home club and.

[A]

We got.

[C]

To know Corey really well and Brit really well. And after that, it just turned into a pretty. Pretty big thing that I love to be in. So.

[A]

Yeah, the Dalton Boys.

[B]

The Dalton Gang.

[A]

The Dalton Gang. The original Dalton Gang.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, they were shooting then.

[A]

They're shooting now. That's just how it goes pretty much.

[B]

Your first was your. You did you shoot sporting them for the first time?

[C]

Mm. First clay target I ever broke was a sporting clays target.

[B]

Nice. So. And that was it at the Whittington center, which is a great facility for all our listeners out there that have never been there if you get a chance. We went over the one year myself, it was actually me and Justin and Wyatt debris. We went over and shot the Southwest grand. The one.

[C]

Yeah, that's what happened.

[B]

Great. Yeah. Had a great time. You know, I mean it was. Weather was great one day, then it was blowing 60 miles an hour the next day.

[C]

Oh, yeah, there's been. There's been times up there for high school state that we've been up there in shorts and T shirts the morning and then that night, that afternoon we'll be shooting sporting clays and it'll be snowing sideways. So. Yeah, you never know what the weather's going to be like up there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it is a cool facility. Just talk about that for a second, you know, give them a shout out, you know, because we're all about shout outs here at Trap Talk. But you know, the Whittington center is a great place. You know, we drove around in Justin side by side and we went up and heck, we found a bench rest deal that you could shoot across the whole canyon.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I was like, this place we need, you know. Yeah, it was fun. I mean, it was just. There was a lot of stuff to do there for outdoors and shooting and such and so.

[C]

Oh yeah. And they're not. They're not just a shotgun range. Obviously they have rifle, pistol. I believe that they're home to the white buffalo target that I believe is at 1123 yards. So that's a pretty big thing when everybody goes. They go to shoot the white buffalo and a pretty big thing. It's a really nice facility.

[B]

That's awesome.

[A]

Yeah, I didn't know that. So I'm learning. Learning something new every day. I mean, that's really cool. So. So you shot rifles and pistols before.

[C]

And then a little bit.

[A]

A little bit, right? A little bit of rifles and pistols and then made the transition to shotgun shooting. And it sounds like. It sounds like you were pretty hooked from the start. Like you got around the right people and then went with it. Now, do you think it was the fun of breaking the targets that hooked you more or do you think it was the crew of guys that you Were hanging around with that kept you more motivated, like was. What do you think it was a.

[C]

Little bit of both. Obviously. I love breaking targets. That's one of my favorite things to do. But I also love being around the people that have helped me to get to the point where I am now. Like I said, Jim Powers, another, another older guy that's there that helps me. I don't know if you guys heard of him, but he's helped me. He's helped help me greatly. And so that's mostly, mostly because of the people I'm around.

[A]

That's wonderful. So when you started, what was the equipment that you were using to kind of get into the game and then what are you using now?

[C]

So at the time when I first started, I believe I was shooting an old CZ side by side 28 gauge that we just had laying around. And I shot that for a while and I, I didn't do great for it, but at the time, I mean I felt like I was doing awesome. But then I made a transition to a 20 gauge and SKB over under 20 gauge. Shot that for a while. I got my first 25 straight with that and then I made the transition. I actually borrowed Corey Dalton's, one of his BT99s for a while and I shot that for quite a while. I had a just a Browning Satori over under that I shot for doubles. Obviously I wouldn't great shot at doubles. And then just recently, actually it's been probably two years, maybe three years now that I have been shooting a Browning 725 trap combo. So.

[B]

So is that the older style 725 with the non adjustable over and under rib?

[C]

It is.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It is. So the over under is pretty close to like a Satori, really A fixed Satori rib gun.

[B]

It is.

[A]

And then the unsingle got an adjustable rib and you get it where you go now. Now on your setup, Chase, do you find that all three of those barrels are shooting in the same spot or do you have the over under shooting a little flatter than the unsingle? I mean, what's your setup there?

[C]

I believe they're all about the same. They're all probably shooting around that 7030 mark. They're shooting flatter than a lot of people like, but yeah, most all barrels are sitting about the same.

[A]

So.

[B]

So who then going into, you know, you had some help, but have you had some like official coaching or is it just been. I know you shoot a lot with the, with the Daltons, you know, Brett and Corey, which Are great, great family. You know, all the. The Dalton family is a great family. So have they helped you or what? Have you got any, you know, coaching?

[C]

Yeah, yeah. So I've. They have helped me quite a bit. Obviously, they've been the ones that got me up and going. But also I'd like to thank. Obviously, like I said, Jim, but also I've had some coaching from Britt Robinson. I know you guys had him on the show. But this year when I went down to Texas, I went to the Texas State shoot and I stayed with some folks I know you guys know, Doug and Susie Gray stayed with them down there because I've been working for them anyways. Stayed with them for a while and he took me down to Post Texas and we got to. I got to shoot a little bit with Brit and got to work on my doubles a little bit, and it's helped me a lot as well as my handicap.

[B]

Brent is. I was fortunate to shoot with him when I was 17 years old at the Grand American. The whole prelims of the Grand. That was an experience, just shooting with him.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

So much back then. I talk a lot now. Back then I didn't. I. I listened. So. And that's one of the cool things is. Is, yeah, getting some, some help from one of the legends and all time greatest shooters ever, you know, is. Is a cool deal, you know. Yeah, I know you understand it now, but you will later on.

[C]

Oh, right.

[A]

So for you, Chase, when you went down, you spent time with Brett and you got to shoot with him. You know, you said you worked on the doubles. What were some things that he was teaching you that maybe opened your eyes and helped your game step up immediately?

[C]

So a lot of what he was teaching me is teaching my hold points. I. I had always had kind of a rough idea for hold points, but he opened my eyes to holding, where I can see the target come out and just barely move to the gun, to the target on the first bird and the second bird just comes after that.

[A]

So that's. That's pretty good advice from the, from the champ.

[B]

He didn't shoot any, did he?

[C]

No, he didn't. No, he didn't. He didn't bring his gun. But he.

[B]

The fat. I mean, you think Joey Charnigo shoots fast. Brit shot fast.

[C]

And I think that's partly why he and I got along so well, is because at the very beginning, I mean, I got through. I went through this streak where I was shooting really, really fast for a little while. I mean, obviously, yeah, but I Mean, you shoot with Britt, and it gets kind of caught up in the how fast you shoot. But no, I think that's partly why we went together so well, is because he liked fast shooters and I shot fast, and so.

[B]

Yep. No, that's awesome.

[A]

Yeah, that's. That's a really special story that you're going to always remember, and. And you can keep that with you for your whole life. And that. That little tweak of holding where you could see the target better and then making a small move to it. I mean, there's so much there. You could spend a whole day thinking about that and talking about that, because I feel like there's so much unnecessary movement in a lot of shotgun shooters move. I mean, they're, you know, they're in the wrong place, and then they're having to do these double moves or they're, you know, they're riding a target out too long and. And, you know, basically he's cutting out all the fat. He's just saying, this is where you are, this is where you're going, and this is the move, and you're getting there smooth, you're getting there clean. And there's a lot to be said about that. And I think, you know, when we had Koe on the show, he talked about how the move was so important and so many people don't work on their move, and they're just kind of reacting to whatever they see. But that's something that needs to be practiced consistently, you know, getting to that target and. And making one clean, sure good move instead of, you know, that double take that a lot of people do. Go this way, go this way, go that way, you know, not see the bird as well. Waiting up really high and waiting a long time for the bird to get to you. I mean, those things all add. Add time to the shot, in my opinion.

[B]

Oh, yeah. All starts with your setup.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Point blank.

[A]

So, Chase, you got your setup right?

[B]

It's good.

[A]

So you've shooting the Browning and you said about 70, 70, 30 on all the barrels, okay?

[C]

Yes, sir.

[A]

It sounds like from what you're saying, you're holding pretty tight and close to the house. Is that correct or no?

[C]

So I've gotten in singles. Depends on where I am, obviously. But places like Tucson, I've gotten to where I'm holding a little bit above the house for singles and caps, I'm holding right on the house. Doubles, obviously, I'm holding up a little bit to try to get that first bird a little bit quicker, but places like the grand, I've been holding a little bit higher in singles and same thing as Tucson, A little bit flatter on the house. And caps. And caps.

[A]

So when you say higher, though, we're not talking Rich Bullard high. I mean, how. How high.

[C]

How high.

[A]

How high are you? I mean, would you say one flat of shells, two flats of shells, three flats of shells, high? I mean, what. What would be your. Your highest hold point?

[C]

Probably close to about maybe a flat of shells for singles, not super high, but for doubles, I'm probably holding about close to two to maybe three.

[A]

Now, is that flats, like, sitting or flats stacked and turned up? Like, what do you think?

[C]

What do you think sitting?

[A]

All right, so pretty low. I mean, pretty low. Yeah, very. I mean, we're talking.

[B]

You know, listen, he couldn't have him. He couldn't have him vertically. How tall, how short he is. If he did that, he'd be looking up. He'd be Richard height, you know, I'm.

[A]

Telling you, he's gonna sprout like a weed pretty soon here. I mean, it's about. We'll be looking at him. So.

[C]

Yeah, for the longest time, my gun. When I was shooting that bt my gun was taller than I was.

[A]

So, yeah, we're still shooting really, really well.

[C]

Yeah, I got my first hundred with that gun. First hundred and two hundred with that gun. Yeah.

[A]

So, yeah, on your training and your practicing, you know, obviously, you've made some really big leaps and success quickly. Winning a state championship as early as you did. You got to feel the pressure of championships right off the bat in your game. You know, what were you doing to help ease the pressure and, you know, kind of learn? What was the practice regimen like? Like, what did you do to make everything go so fast in your career?

[C]

So it was a lot of it was just practice, honestly. I mean, the more you shoot, the better you're gonna be at getting the handle in those pressure situations. But I'd played a little bit of sports previous to that, and that helped me a little bit with the pressure. Pressure situations. And honestly, a lot of it. That first that. When I shot that 196, I knew I had seen some of the scores coming in, and I was. I knew what I was doing, and I was pretty shaky, and I was pretty nervous, but I got that last target done. So it's one of those that I wasn't at the point. At the time, my mental state wasn't as strong as it is now, but I still got it done.

[A]

So what's Changed since then and now to make the mental game stronger. Are you, are you doing any visualizations? Are you writing things down? Are you, are you, you know, is there any special tricks other than just practice?

[C]

A lot of it is just honestly, I listen to music when I shoot and that helps me keep my mind off of actually shooting sometimes. And it helps me to get into that muscle memory state where I just keep going and I shoot and shoot and shoot. And a lot of times my eyes and my gun will take over and it's kind of one of those that it's like, whoops, I didn't realize I even shot, but I broke the target. And it's one of those that I get into that state. But a lot of it also is just practicing it. And I try not to think about it too much. I've gotten to the point where I don't look at scores. If I'm in a 200 bird event, I won't look at scores in between as well as the high overall and high all around. I won't pay attention to that as well.

[B]

So when you talk about the music, what's your go to that you're listening to?

[C]

I listen to a lot of older country music. That's my, it's my.

[B]

Now, you were just talking about old people. So to you, old could be Zack's age.

[A]

So we talking, Are we talking Toby Keith old, George straight old or like George Jones old?

[C]

Like those are Jones old. I like to listen to a lot of Waylon and George Jones and yeah.

[A]

Johnny, yeah.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. Some Merle Haggard in there. So I like a lot of that stuff.

[A]

Yeah, well, hey, if you listen to Merle Haggard, you know a lot more about life than most 14 year olds. I mean, he's y. He's laying down. You're ready for your first heartbreak, bud.

[B]

Hey, Zach, have you been out to.

[A]

73 Pointers Ranch lately? You know I have. Rick and Carla Burke have been great. I normally hunt pheasants and chucker down there, but now they got a brand new sporting clays facility and it is top notch. I shot it the other day, absolutely loved it. And if you guys haven't, you need to go give it a check out.

[B]

We'll have to come out and do a little hunting and we'll shoot some.

[A]

Sporting clays then 45 minutes from St. Louis Airport. Come see it. If you haven't. Guys, check them out. You know, Ricky, I know you use it on your barrels, but do you even know what RGS stands for?

[B]

No, Zach, what Does it stand for really good? Well, that is true. It is good stuff, folks. I use it to clean my barrels and it does make them shine.

[A]

Only problem is I wear white T shirts when I clean my barrels and I get them all messy, so I got to be better at that. But it gets all the plastic, all the gunk out. Give them a try, folks. They're great.

[B]

That's right. Give RGS a try. We appreciate all the support.

[A]

You know, Rick, when you're walking down the line, you see smoke ball after smoke ball after smoke ball. What are you thinking in your head?

[B]

I'm thinking there's some good set targets and they got to be a white flyer.

[A]

They got to be white flyer. I mean, we were just a Nevada State shoot. We were shooting these things for the 27 yard line. They looked like 16 yard smoke balls. And I'm like, only a white flyer can smoke like that. And we love them. And they've been supporting the show since day one.

[B]

That's right. Thanks for all the support, white flyer. That is very true. So you talk about, you know, your practice and stuff. So what is like your, your practice regimen? Are you shooting once a week? Are you shooting, you know, right before the shoots? What? You know, tell us about that.

[C]

So I try to shoot. I'd like to shoot once a week, but every once in a while I. I don't get to shoot once a week because our clubs are open. Our club is open on Saturdays and obviously they were open on Tuesdays, but they unfortunately canceled that. But they. I try to get there at least once every other week or at least once a week. And I try to shoot as much as I can.

[B]

So no set. Like I'm gonna go shoot 100 of this. It just. You go out and shoot your. Your kind of like.

[A]

Yeah, I'm good.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Are you shooting a lot of practice at the shoots then too, or what?

[C]

I normally. I do not. I might shoot close to about 75 rounds through the whole autumn grand, honestly. And that's just. Something's not happening. Something's not working. Like this year I was struggling a little bit with my handicap with a certain post and I. I shot probably about 75 rounds and got it figured out. So like I said, I might. I don't shoot a whole lot of practice at shoots.

[B]

Yeah, no, that's understandable. I don't either.

[A]

Just what you need if you're struggling with something. Okay, I'm gonna go work on that. But you're not shooting a warm up box every Time you kind of know what the plan is. You have a plan of attack. I'm gonna do it this way. And if the plan goes south, then you head to the practice trap and take and dial it in in the week. And that's. That's pretty much the, the game for you.

[C]

Exactly.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, I'm envious of you that you could do that at 14. I. I didn't have that confidence until I was like 17, 18, 19, you know.

[B]

Last week.

[A]

Yeah, last week. Because me growing up, I mean, I was with Dave Kelly all the time, and he was my mentor, one of my mentors. And, and he was always like, shoot a practice round before that, you know, just get ready. We always shot a lot of practice, and there was times where it really helped me and then there was times where it hurt me because I go out and I'd break a 25 out in the practice and then I'd go out and I'd shoot like a 22. That first handicap, I'm like, man, I waste my time. Yeah, I wish my 20, my 25. And, you know, listening to Dagan talk on the, on the podcast several times, he talks about how you only have so many shots until you're gonna miss your next bird. I mean, it's. Mathematically, you know, you're going to start hitting and then you're. Everybody's going to miss. And for him, he likes to save that really focused shooting for events and. Yeah, waste not. Waste any movements.

[C]

Yeah, I was just going to talk about that. You don't want to waste those 25s in practice. So.

[B]

I say take them when you can get them. It's just. Oh, yeah.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

So, Chase, so you, you've shot now, you know, four or five years, you know, is it. What do you have goals set each year for yourself, you know, or do you have yearly goals, short term goals? What?

[C]

Yeah, so I had some yearly goals. Right now they are to make the AAA 27 AAA, as well as I'd like to get my hundred from the back fence and get my grand slam. That's. That's on the agenda this year. That's something I'd like to work in previous years. Yeah, I was working on my hundred and doubles, which I just got, which I'm more than happy, as well as my 200. That kind of came unannounced. I wasn't quite. I was looking forward to it, but I hadn't quite like envisioned it because I just got the 200 about maybe eight months after I got my first hundred and so that was kind of one of those I wasn't quite ready for yet. But I'll take it. I'll take it whenever I can get it.

[B]

That's right.

[C]

But I mean, yeah, I try to set goals, but sometimes they don't work out. Sometimes they do.

[B]

Well, that's the one thing with us. I always tell people, you know, as humans, we like self satisfaction. So if you do something good, so you set a goal and you achieve it, you know, that's the old, you know, you know, and then move on, you know, set another goal and such. Now what is your Future plan? You're 14 years old. So are you wanting to stay in the shooting community? Are you wanting to go to college? You know, hopefully in the future, in four more years, are you in?

[C]

I'm a freshman this year.

[B]

Okay, so you're ninth, so yes. So four more years. So that you kind of your thought process or you just kind of, you know.

[C]

Yeah, I would like to, I'd like to shoot, go into collegiate shooting. That's something I look forward to doing. So yeah, I'll shoot through high school and then try to get to collegiate and then wherever it takes me after that, wherever it takes me.

[B]

Because you're shooting. Are you shooting 4H right now? Is that what you do also? Or is it just.

[C]

I've been shooting high school, which is the sctp. I've been shooting a little bit of aim and I've also been shooting 4H and actually I'm last year's New Mexico 4H champion for shotgun, so.

[A]

Awesome.

[B]

Well, congratulations.

[A]

Thank you. Just hammering everything. Man, you gotta take it easy on me. I mean, I'm feeling a little outgunned on this episode today. Yeah, I say, right, you know, he's got it, he's got it more together than most 25 year olds I know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So for, for you, you know, right now, you said you worked, you said you were working for the Grays. What are you doing there? Are you helping sell guns or is it glasses or like, what do you like the shooting industry? Would you like to work in the shooting industry long term or what are your dreams on that end?

[C]

So definitely right now I am working for Doug and Susie. I've just been learning a little bit of Doug's knowledge off of gunsmithing and stuff like that. That way if something ever happens with one of our guns on the range, I can help little bit with it. Excuse me. But also now, I don't know if you guys heard this, but we actually recently just sold out to Elite Shotguns.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

So right now I'm gonna be working for them, Grant, and places like that. But in the future, I definitely, it's definitely an opportunity. Definitely a thought in the back of my mind that I might end up going into that now.

[B]

You could go to the gunsmithing school.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, there's always a need of good gunsmiths. There's always gonna be people that need to buy shotguns to shoot and getting into the game. So I think, you know, this, this game can and will provide for you if you put the time and the effort and the energy into it. And you say, okay, I want to be a lifer. And I think there are some people that come into it and they enjoy it for their time and then they move on to the next portion of their life. And then there's some people that get into it and they realize that it is a part of their life and then they start building their life around it. You know, they start figuring out, okay, well, if I'm going to, you know, do this, this is what I have to do. And you know, for myself, when I started looking for jobs, the, the number one thing I was looking at is, well, what gives me flexibility to be able to shoot more traps. So I was building, I was trying to, you know, how could I stay involved as much as possible.

[C]

Exactly.

[A]

You know, and, and that's, that's something that, if you keep thinking about it, you know, you're good, the path will open up for you and you'll find your lane and what's, what's right for you. And, you know, I could say, you know, I wouldn't know that you're 14 based on the way you've spoke on the show today so far. I mean, you're very articulate and you're very sharp and, you know, I, I, you know, I gotta applaud your parents for raising a good boy because you, you're, you're, you're well above and very well spoken. And I, I didn't think that we would get this technical with the 14 year old this quick, so I'm.

[B]

You just surprised, Zach, is what you did.

[A]

Chase, I love you. You got, you got me. Chase, I'm over here speechless.

[B]

I don't know what to do with it. Well, Chase does, Does your dad shoot then?

[C]

Mm, yeah, he's, he shoots, he shoots a lot of. He doesn't shoot near as much as he did for a little while, but he still, he has his 200 in singles. In fact, he got one in Tucson a few years ago. I believe it was the spring grand and was tied with. With Wyatt.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Lost the shoot off to Wyatt, so.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

I remember that. Yep. Yeah. I couldn't believe I told. Why? I can't believe you're beaten up, you know, on an older guy, but.

[C]

Yeah, well, no.

[B]

So you get it. Do you shoot much with your dad then, or you. You like. No, I'm going to squad with, you know, somebody else.

[C]

Well, no offense to my dad, but when you have a squad like Brit and Corey and all those guys, it's kind of hard. Hard not to take it. And I love those.

[B]

You know, he can leave you at home at 14. You can't show up. Dad just.

[A]

Dad just got railroaded and kicked to the ground for the Dalton Gang.

[C]

Well, he. He doesn't shoot. He doesn't shoot near as much as I do when we go to places like Tucson and stuff. And this last year, he actually. At the spring grand, he was working a little bit at the shoot, scoring.

[B]

So, yeah, not. Hey, not a bad deal, you know.

[A]

I totally understand that. And, you know, my dad shot a lot, too, when I was your age, and he used to go to a lot of shoots. But for me, it wasn't even about his ability. It was about. I was kind of always nervous thinking about what he was doing or paying more attention to him. And I wanted to be around other good shooters that I didn't really have any skin in the game for that. I was, like, more interested in, you know, and saying, hey, these guys around me are the best dogs around me. I want to go after them and try to hang with them every single time I go out. And so me and him didn't shoot a lot together for any other reason other than the fact that I wanted to just kind of do it on my own and. And learn on my own and compete on my own. So I totally respect that. And I don't know if there's anything wrong with it.

[C]

I've noticed when I shoot with him, I'll do sympathy Mrs. Because I'll be thinking, I'll be like, dang it, he missed one. And then I'll miss one. And that's goes back to that mental toughness and.

[B]

Yep. Yeah.

[A]

And I've. And I've been around sympathy misses before with people where they're. They're looking at whether it's parent and child or whether it's, you know, spouses or whether it's. You're like, oh, she you know, and. And you miss. And sometimes. Sometimes it's for sympathy. And then sometimes it's like, oh, yeah, he missed. Now I can beat him. And then bam, you miss and you're like, oh, damn it. Right down. Right down the rabbit hole. That's never a good. Never a good feeling for sure.

[B]

No. So, Chase, what. What's your future plans for this year? For the 2026 target year? What do you. What shoots are you planning on hitting?

[C]

So this year? I don't know. We haven't gotten a complete, like, schedule out of what we're planning on hitting, obviously. The Grand. The spring grand, Arizona State shoot, New Mexico State shoot. We've thought about going to Vegas this upcoming year. Yeah, next year. That's a 27 year, but there's definitely a few new places to go. Like I said, we haven't gotten sat down and figured out where we want to go yet, though.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I'd put Vegas calendar for sure, because that's a target that you're. You're going to be used to it from where you're coming from. You know, shooting that New Mexico, Tucson area, you'll go right into there and you'll be acclimated for it, and there's a lot of stuff to win there. So you could, you know, you could do really, really well at that shoot if you put it on your calendar. Because I. I know there's a lot of people from the Midwest and. And they love going to Vegas. They love going to that side. But if you haven't shot that side of the country, it's different. You know, if you haven't gotten used to, you know, shooting in that, you know, kind of desert back.

[B]

It's all in your head.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, it's all. It. It's always in everyone's head when it's not Ricky, that's for sure. He knows he can shoot all targets and all.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. Remember how they say, overthink the process? And that's what you do every time.

[A]

You gotta do it.

[C]

The hardest part for that shoot is actually getting off of school for that amount of time because I. I'll have to be off for a week to go to Vegas, and then I'll be back home for a week, and then I leave for two weeks to go to Tucson, and Tucson's only three hours from where I live, so that's kind of on the top of places to go for me.

[A]

Have you thought about maybe skipping that prelim week at Tucson, or do you just like the points and.

[C]

I definitely Thought about it, but I definitely. It was worthwhile this year to go and get those points because I believe I got. I got quite a few points from that, the prelim week and the grand week. So it was definitely worthwhile to do that.

[B]

Yeah. Well. And now are you. Now are you enrolled in school? Are you homeschooled? What's the.

[C]

I'm enrolled in a private Christian academy. So I go to a private Christian school. And last year I actually missed. I think it was somewhere close to like 35 days of school last year, so.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But thankfully it's a private school, so I've been able to go in front of the board and I've been able to ask them, hey, I'm doing this, this and this. If you. If I can get out as long as I keep my grades up and to like a 4.0. So around that area.

[B]

And they've been. They've been pretty cool about that.

[C]

Oh, yeah, they. All the teachers have been great about getting me my work ahead of time or giving me some grace after I get back, which.

[B]

That, that's cool that they. That they allow that.

[A]

You know, I mean, Rick, I really think that Gunfit is probably the most important part of shooting big scores. Would you agree with that?

[B]

Absolutely. I think Gunfit is the most important thing.

[A]

I mean, most of the top all Americans are shooting custom stocks. I know when I got my custom stock, my scores went up. I broke 100 trip in the 27 within seven days. I mean, I'm sure your experience has been similar.

[B]

Yeah, I've been shooting a custom gun stock for 20 years, winning. If you want to win championships, get a win of gun stock.

[A]

Yeah, call Bobby, call Luke. I mean, we got the stock whisperer over there, Bill. Give them a shot. They're great and they know what they're doing.

[B]

Absolutely. Winig.com check them out.

[A]

You know, Rick, I was at the Autumn grand and the Nevada State shoot, and I was just really impressed with how I could see where my squad was when I was up. Just the technology, the ability to be able to see what options I've played if the event's paid or not. I mean, what's your experience with. With the app?

[B]

Listen, SOS Clay's app. It's the best thing out there, folks. You can see everything. It's great. You see your option payouts. You can see when you're up, you can see who's paid on your squad. Sometimes Zach doesn't pay on time, but it's.

[A]

I get out there but what I really think is, is for gun clubs, it's free. Call Greg, get a hold of them, he'll set you up, he'll get you running. Right. And if you pay the the premium once a year, you get free pre squatting in all the shoots. And that's the best value in trap shoot.

[B]

Absolutely. SOS clays dot com.

[A]

You know, Rick, I know you had a lot of involvement with them since the beginning, since they started. But I really love the way that the shot tracker, you know, catches the doubles from shot to shot with the looping. You know, tell the folks what they need to know about that system.

[B]

It's the best system out there. It's like having a coach on the end of your barrel, like we say, but going especially in doubles, from first shot to second shot. You can see it on the graph. You can see it on video.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, if you talk about that J hook with Sean Hawley and all them, I mean, it'll literally show that loop, and I think that's really powerful if you're doing it. They've supported the show since the beginning. They love trap shooting. They're great people. Give them a shot, folks. They make a great product.

[B]

Take Aim technologies.

[A]

Hey, folks, we really want to thank Remington for supporting the show. Since day one, I've been shooting the STS, ounces and eighth light eights for singles and doubles, and the Nitro 27 from the 27 yard line, ounce and eight, seven and a half. They make a great product. You should give them a try. And as always, thank you for the support.

[B]

As long as you get your stuff done, we're all about it. You know, that exactly does make a.

[A]

Big difference, you know, so, yeah, it's important. And I think, you know, in real life, I mean, obviously it's different if you work for someone versus working for yourself, but, you know, that's how real life is. If you're in control of your schedule, it's like, hey, I'm gonna go shoot for a couple weeks and then I'm gonna get back and I'm gonna work really hard at catching up on all these other things. And, you know, I think that, that, you know, that's that entrepreneurial spirit of, you know, controlling your life and controlling your calendar or controlling what works best for you. And. And if you're still, you know, crushing it in that education department, I really don't think there should be a requirement of like, oh, well, you have to be here. You have to do this. Well, what's the grades look like? You know, is he, is he putting in the work? Is he, is he smart enough to be ahead on this stuff? Because. Oh yeah, working ahead is, is, is the secret in life, right.

[C]

And I've been, I've been told if I don't keep my grades up then I don't get to go to shoot. So it gives me an incentive to keep my grades up.

[B]

So does that come from like you're.

[A]

Doing the right things?

[B]

Yeah, that's coming from. Okay. Yeah.

[C]

It's never had to be enforced, thankfully, so I'm more than happy. But it's always been there in the back of my mind.

[B]

Yeah. Hey, that, that's not a bad thing, you know.

[A]

So where you live is, are you guys like on a lot of land? Are you in a subdivision or do you like do a lot of hunting and fishing and stuff in that part of the, the state or what's it like there?

[C]

So I live with my, I live both my mom and dad, but my mom's got a little place right here and my dad's got a decent sized ranch as well. As well as my grandparents have a ranch. So I get to do quite a bit of hunting on all of their places. I've been very lucky to kill a deer almost every year for about the last five years, I believe. As well as an elk for like the last three or four. I've been really lucky. I've gotten drawn for some really neat tags. I've gotten drawn for an on range oryx tag on the White Sands missile range.

[B]

Oh, as well as to be an awesome deal.

[C]

Oh yeah. As well as an ibex tag in the Floridas. So where's the free. That's the Florida's. They're in Deming, outside Deming, New Mexico. So as you're going down the interstate way south. Just south, yeah. There's those big group of mountains and there's ibex, Persian ibex in there on those mountains.

[B]

No kidding?

[C]

Yeah. It's the only place in North America that has them.

[B]

Nice. So you got drawn for this year or no you did not this year.

[C]

I believe it was, I think it was 22 that I got drawn for that. So it was the same year I won my state title, I believe.

[B]

Did you shoot one then or no?

[C]

Oh yeah, I got one. I believe I was 10 and got up there and got both an oryx and an ibex in the same year. So it was a.

[A]

So not knocking out world class trophies, winning state championships 4.0. What else you do? I mean you, you a Brain surgeon on the side or.

[B]

No, actually. So, hey, let's get into what Zach, I don't know if you know this. Do you know what Chase does on the side? A little bit.

[A]

You know, I've heard, I've heard he's a craftsman, but I'll let him. I'll let him speak.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

What do you do, Chase?

[C]

So I make knives in my free time, I should say I've done quite a. I've been making knives for about probably three or four years now. And it takes up my time. I've got my own little business and keeps me pretty busy.

[A]

And what we could see.

[B]

Yeah, I've got guaranteed. He's like, oh, this was for sale.

[C]

Yeah. So this one right here, let's see. Get back a little ways. That was one that I just finished up earlier this week.

[B]

What's the handle on it, Chase?

[C]

This is actually a G10. So it's like a fiberglass and it's impregnated with resin. So it's a really tough material and holds up really well. I've done some others. This one is that same. It's got G10 except it's got a copper liners as well as maple burl in the middle.

[A]

So it's absolutely beautiful.

[C]

Yeah. And here's. I got one more. There's a. That's a maple as well. It's got copper liners on it. So.

[B]

So what's the 916 stand for?

[C]

So the 916 is actually my family brand. It's my brand. It's my grandparents brand. It's been in the family since 1884 actually here in New Mexico. So when my. I don't believe it. I don't remember. It's. One of the great, great, great grandfathers was coming from Texas into New Mexico. He saw that on the side of a rail car boxcar and he thought that was pretty neat because whenever you take it, I don't know if you can see that on there. When you take it, you flip it.

[B]

Over, it's same thing.

[C]

Same thing. So it's pretty neat that you can flip it over and it's the same thing. Like I said, my granddad gave it to me when I was probably around four or five and I decided to make that the name of my company.

[B]

So, so, so what is your, your actual company name then?

[C]

So it's 916 knives.

[B]

916 knives. So do you have a Facebook page or any.

[C]

Instagram? I'm working on Facebook. The Instagram is just knives by 9:16 and Facebook I just kind of post off of my regular account.

[B]

We can have John put a little link down below here. Up above here?

[A]

Absolutely. I guess the question I have for you is do you pretty much make what you want to make and then just listen for sale or does someone call you and say, I want this knife. Can you custom make it for me? And if so, how long does it take?

[C]

So a little bit of both. This one right here was one that I had made and actually had that one for sale in Tucson. Excuse me. And. But I do a little bit both whenever I can. I'll try to make an extra few to sell if somebody is interested. But I do a lot of custom orders. All of those that I showed you were custom orders and stuff like that. Custom and. Yeah, so it takes up a lot of my free time.

[A]

So are those mainly. Primarily skinners is what they are.

[C]

So these right here are actually. They're like a little paring knife. They're like a little kitchen paring knife that I made for some of my grandparents and grandma and grandpa grandmas so that I can give those to them for Christmas. But a lot of times I'll have similar designs.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Do you ever do any bigger knives or no?

[C]

Yeah, so I'm actually working on one right now that's probably close to about maybe 13, 13 inches. Close to it. It's pretty big knife. So my grandma excited. I'm excited to see how that one turns out.

[B]

Like Rambo. He's doing the crocodile.

[C]

This is a knife.

[A]

Yeah. So that's funny, man. I love you.

[B]

Do you know David Banks?

[C]

I heard of him. Yep.

[B]

So makes knives. Yeah, we did a knife making class with him, me and my son Tyler and Trey and then actually Hardy Muscleman and then Denton Scogan and Denton's brother in law.

[C]

So that's cool. Yeah, you're telling me about the. Yeah, that's cool. Pretty cool.

[B]

So, Zach, you don't have a knife from Chase, do you?

[A]

No, but I'm gonna. I'm gonna have to hook up with him after this episode and get one. So Chase, hook. Hook a brother up. I need the family discount, you know.

[B]

But he'll give you the family disc. I tried. I tried to knock this kid down and price it. He just wouldn't. But he was good, though. I just got to see how good he was. But no, folks, I've actually got one of the knives. Jody bought one. Was it last year at the.

[C]

Spring before. Spring. Last year.

[B]

Yeah, spring. She got it and she's like. Because I collect knives. And. And she got it. And I told Chase I tried to buy one, and Chase wouldn't sell me one. I was like, what the hell, kid?

[A]

Ain't. But ain't selling to you, Ricky?

[B]

Well, no, because Jody was already buying.

[A]

She already bought it. So it made you old some type of way. You're like, why won't he. We don't sell your kind.

[C]

I was. I was stuck right in the middle because Ricky had sent me a message because I had posted him on Facebook that I had him for sale. Ricky had sent me a message and I had started going along with him on that and getting the info and stuff like that. And then Jody sent me a message on Facebook and was like, don't sell that knife to him. I'm like, well, now what do I do? So, yeah, I went back and forth and trying to get it. And actually, the worst part about it is that about the time that that was happening, I went out of service. My dad and I went fishing and we went out of service. I was out of service for about maybe close to eight hours. And so I was thinking about that the whole time.

[A]

I got Ricky mad at me now because I won't sell my knife. You don't know. I'm trying to help him out. I mean, I could. You're sweating bullets, probably because he can get aggressive. 1. Why would you. So many. He'll start texting you, where's my knife?

[B]

The best part was to send Jody. She's like, would you stop? I go, what? She goes, I'm buying you that knife. And I went, oh. So then I use that to my.

[C]

Instead of having fun with me, you know.

[A]

Oh, yeah, trust me, I know how he is. If he's onto something, you can't. It's like getting them off of a. A dog with two bones. You can't get them off.

[B]

You just. But listen, the. The knives are awesome, folks for everybody out there listening, you know, and the kid's 14 years old doing something he loves to do and, you know, generating some fun so he can shoot, which is awesome.

[A]

Yeah. And honestly, they are quality and, you know, as. As good as. I mean, they look. And everyone said they're really high quality knives. You know, I. I won't even need the family friends discount. I'd be able to. I'd be able to muster mine when it. At retail. You double a double. That hurts.

[B]

Retail plus. Hey, James, Double it and then send me the other one. Okay?

[C]

Okay, sounds good.

[A]

That's cold blooded, you know, trying to do that to old Zach.

[B]

But.

[A]

But I. I love. I love your passion, and, you know, it seems like you're staying busy, and I think a lot of kids nowadays, and this is just a personal opinion, but I feel like they have too much time on their hands. And with all that time on their hands, you know, maybe they're getting in trouble or maybe doing things or not, but it sounds like you're shooting all the time, and then when you're not shooting all the time, you're hunting all the time. And then when you're not hunting all the time, you're working on knives. And then when you're not working on knives, you're working on school. And then when you're not working on school, you're selling stuff for the grays and, like, you pretty much keep your schedule packed with productive, helpful things. I try exercising your mind, and they're also exercising your abilities to make a living in the future, because everything you're doing is going to be able to help with everything else later. And you might not realize that now, but later on in life, that's gonna really pay big dividends for you being. Being so focused and so dedicated to things that you love and things that are useful and helpful and.

[B]

Yeah, right. Absolutely. Yeah.

[A]

So I'm definitely gonna need one of those knives.

[C]

Okay. Yeah. I pretty much taught myself how to make them off of just watching YouTube and social media and stuff like that. I've figured out and do's and don'ts and stuff like that, so. But keeps me pretty busy, and there's been times where friends will be like, hey, you want to come hang out? Come do this this weekend or that. And I'm like, dude, I'm sorry, I can't. I've got stuff to do. I either got a shoot or I've got orders to fill, so I gotta make some money.

[B]

Hey, make that while you can.

[A]

You gotta keep making it. Yeah. I mean, food ain't cheap. You got to eat. It's got to have a steak.

[B]

Hey, Zach, Clay targets ain't cheap.

[A]

Nothing's cheap. Nothing's cheap, and unfortunately, nothing's getting cheaper. All you can do to combat it is raise the revenue, baby. Get that revenue up top, and then you don't have to worry about as much, but, you know, chase it. It's really cool to see everything you're doing, I guess, you know, going back to shooting and transitioning off of the knives and all your hobbies and everything, you know, Is there any good advice that you would like to give, you know, young people that might look to you and say, wow, look at all. Chase is accomplished at his young age. How do I get there? What do I need to be doing?

[C]

Yeah. So one of the biggest things that I would say to those people is that just keep going. Don't get discouraged if you break a bad score. I noticed it with myself. I'd break a bad score and I'd be down on myself for a little while, and all it did was hurt me. All it did was bring my other scores for the rest of the day down. Like I said, one score can turn into. Obviously, you've always got the HOA and HAA leftover, so there's always a better goal to be pushing forward to and not get frustrated with one event.

[B]

Yeah, that's awesome advice. The end result always looks.

[C]

The end result is always better than the current, so.

[A]

Well, yeah. And I mean, every single shooter we've ever had on the show and every single shooter in the ATA can attest to having a bad score. And I think what, what, what helps people become great in my mind, is that ability to take that bad score and move on and learn from it. Right. The quicker you can transition from bad score to good score. I mean, that's what the greats do. And, you know, everyone's going to have one at some point in time. But I've seen people shoot, you know, and these are good shooters. I've seen good shooters shoot lights out Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. And then by Thursday, they have a bad day and then they're gone the rest of the weekend. Like, it's, it's, it's bad score, bad score, bad score after that. Because they let it, they let it affect them and they let it get under their skin. And then they, you know, kind of work themselves into a, into a tizzy instead of just, well, hey, I had a one bad event. Let's get back on the horse and let's, let's get this done.

[C]

And also, it's partly, you may have a bad score, but it's most likely it's you. Maybe your mind wasn't in the right place. It's not always your gun or your equipment, so you don't have to go back and mess with your gun or maybe adjust your comb, adjust your butt plate, maybe adjust your rib. It's not always your gun that's doing it. Most of the time it's the Indian, not the bow.

[A]

There you go. I like that. So for you, equipment wise, we know what gun you're shooting as far as, like shells and chokes. What do you like to use? Your personal brand preferences. You know Rick, when you're riding around your air conditioning and your nice can am and I'm walking, I'm thinking to myself where do I get one of these things?

[B]

At Big red motorsports, that's where you get one. George or Jason Lee, they'll take care of you, Zach.

[A]

I mean I need one. I'm tired of riding on the back of that cooler. I want to sit inside that cab and roll around in style. I mean my face is on the back but help me out.

[B]

Listen, I'm gonna move your face to the bumper is where it's going to get moved for the new one, okay? All you need is a little quiche and we can take care of you. But listen bigredmotorsports.com thanks Jason and George Lee and big red motorsports for all the support. They'll take care of you folks and it's free delivery.

[A]

Hey Rick, we got to take a second. We got to thank outlaw engineering and the Preston family for supporting trap shooting and supporting trap talk podcast. They've been here for us. They're great people, you know. You know them real well, Rick.

[B]

Yeah, I've known Randy since 1988. R2 and the family, they're great supporter of the show. Coop just won the autumn grand handicap championship with a 97.

[A]

I know, I was there. I got to interview him. It was great. I was so proud of him. He's doing a great job. Hashtag, where's Coop? He's somewhere with that big buckle. He's having fun. So that's you need anything engineering related, get a hold of Outlaw. They'll take great care of you.

[B]

Great folks. Thanks for all the support.

[C]

Outlaw so chokes for a little while I shot just the regular browning chokes that came with the gun and actually I just recently I've gotten some briley chokes that I've been shooting out of them and I've been loving those chokes for ammo wise I've been shooting. This last shoot I shot some stss and some nitros from caps and some stss for singles. So there little plug for you Zach. And and but honestly I've noticed a huge jump up. I had been shooting gun clubs and I noticed a huge jump up in my harder breaks as well as higher scores.

[A]

So yeah, I mean that's the big difference is this the quality shot, right? I mean whenever you get into those high end shells, the animony, the hardness of the shot and the consistency of the powder charges. I Mean, you're going to be able to definitely see a more devastating break. And with that devastating break, I think confidence is come. So, you know.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

When you're hitting them really hard in the center, it, you know that, that confidence breeds confidence where you're not necessarily centering up a target that can kind of mess with you a little bit every once in a while. And, and I believe that to be true with your chokes. You said Briley, but what specific chokes do you use for singles, doubles and handicap? I mean, do you leave them in one choke or what do you do?

[C]

So for singles, I've been shooting a light full. I've been shooting that for quite a while. As well as caps in the 27. I've been shooting that same light full. Haven't been changed for doubles. For a little while I was shooting. It's a little bit open, but I was shooting a skeet light full because it was what I had for a little while. And then when I went to Brit and talked to Britt Robinson for a little while, he said maybe tighten that up a little bit. So I went to a light modified and I started shooting that light modified, and I've noticed my scores have increased quite a bit and also light pull for the second shot.

[B]

So you're shooting 15 and 30,000ths is what you're shooting. Yep. Yeah.

[A]

And I mean, I tend to agree with Brit. I mean, yes, a target will break with that light of a choke at that distance. Not gonna break consistently. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Good.

[C]

I've been noticing a lot of, A lot of. A lot of better breaks on my first target as a lot of more breaks on my first target.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Because you're just really, I mean, if you're that open, you're just kind of spraying in an area and you're hoping that it doesn't get through a, you know, hole in the pattern pretty much at that point.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And nothing and nothing's getting dirt bowled. I mean, nothing. They're getting broken, but they're not getting crushed.

[C]

And exactly.

[A]

Now you, you're probably turning.

[C]

Oh, yeah, I'm getting some smoke.

[A]

Yeah, you want that?

[C]

Especially after shooting. Shooting after Brit, it's just smoke balls and smoke balls.

[B]

So perfect.

[A]

Smoke balls and smoke balls. And smoke balls. I like that. Hey, we're coming up with all kinds of lingo for the show. We're gonna have Chase Dobrinsky T shirts with smoke balls and smoke bowls and smoke balls. I, I, you heard it here first, folks.

[B]

We like it.

[A]

We like It. We like it. But is there anything else that you want to share with the listeners today, Chase, that maybe other good tips or advice from yourself or from mentors that. That you'd like to speak on before we get out of here?

[C]

A lot of it. I mean, it's. It all. It's not as simple as it sounds, but a lot of it's just looking at the target. Honestly, I've noticed that. I mean, obviously, it sounds a lot easier than it is, but as long as you're looking at the target and your gun fits you good, it's one of the most important things. I know you guys talk about that a lot, but as long as your gun fits you good and you look at the target, most of the time, it's gonna break.

[B]

That's good advice.

[A]

That's great advice. I. I need to write that down.

[B]

His little notes.

[A]

Next time I put that down, I'm like, oh, Chase said this. He knows 211. I'm gonna keep that in the vault. You know, I. I take this stuff and I use it, Chase. So don't think I do this to help everybody. I'm learning tips right now, so, yeah, that's funny. But, you know, Chase, it's been a pleasure having you on the show. Before we do get you out of here, is there anybody that you would like to thank? Sponsors, family, friends, anything at all?

[C]

Yeah, there's a lot of people. Obviously, I'll start off with my sponsors. I'd like to give a huge thank to 70 leather. That's my stepdad, Ned. He's been making some great bags for a little while. I don't know if you guys have seen them, but me walking around, really nice bag. Starting to grow the business a little bit. Also, Livingston Hearing, they've helped me with my hearing protection. Big help. As well as Pops Wrecking Crew. A guy come in and kind of taken me in and helped me a lot. So some people that have helped me, obviously parents toting me around all these shoots and taking me places, as well as my grandparents for supporting me and believing in everything I do, as well as Brit and Cory Dalton. Like I said, they. They've helped me tremendously throughout this whole entire career. As well as Brit Robinson. The same. And the last people I'd like to thank are Doug and Susie Gray. They've helped me a lot with, obviously, Doug with the gunsmithing, and Susie was just being there as a good person, so.

[B]

Awesome.

[A]

Well, they're great people, for sure. And I guess to caveat on that, I know you said the leather, the leather company. This is just a question to go back to the knives. Do you have the leather scabbards to go with the knives? Do you have him make those yet or when people buy them, are they just the knives or.

[C]

So I'm actually making the leather sheaths. I've been making the scabbards for a while now. He's helped me with some tips and tricks. But back to the knives. Yeah, he, I have been making the she's personally. He does, he does his own she's. Obviously if you have a knife you want in a sheath for you can send it to him. He has quite a bit of a waiting list right now but he can get a sheath made for it but as well as the bags the same way.

[A]

So do all your knives come with the sheath?

[C]

Not necessarily. So I make the knives and then whenever a person decides that they want to buy the knife, I decide I ask them if they want a sheath or not and if they do, I'll ask left or right handed and as well as what kind of sheath they would like.

[A]

Oh, that's awesome.

[C]

So I made.

[A]

That's really, really cool. And you know, it's amazing how much stuff you know about as a young man already and how much you're working on your, your craft, you're working on the game and we expect nothing but good things from you. Chase, because he's already somebody. You're an entrepreneur. You're going to be, you're going to have, you'll be looking at. Was it 916? Is that the brand? 916. So one day it'll be 916 knives in Costco. They'll be like the brand and it'll be big. You just, you just keep going.

[B]

Thank you. A big one like that, Chase, I'd.

[C]

Like, I'd like to keep it personal and make the knives myself. So.

[A]

Hey, I, I love that. I love, I love the quality and the, and, and the story of the brand and how you got the brand and I, I won't forget that. So we really appreciate you coming on the show and sharing your story. For everyone listening today, like share, subscribe, comment, wear your Trap Talk merch proud. Also, if you, if you need a knife, we got a guy, Chase. He's the man. John will get a link posted down there for, for that and, and thank you all for tuning in. Thanks for all the love and all the questions and everything you guys all do in the trap Talk community across the absolute country. So, so Happy Friday and We'll catch you next time.

[B]

We appreciate it. Everybody shoot good.