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STOP These 10 Trapshooting Mistakes for Better Scores! Trap Talk E84
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Zach Nanini
Welcome to season two of Trap Doc.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Brought to you by Craig Off.
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Zach Nanini
Welcome back, Trap Talk listeners. I'm your host, Zach Nanini, and I'm here with the one and Only Richard Marshall Jr. He's looking good wearing the Craig off hat, wearing the jersey. We're back from Ohio. We're ready for the grand. He's going off to Nebraska this week, so he's already packing the rv, getting everything tightened up. And, and we got to do more content because you guys love the content. You need it, you want it. You're emailing us.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
We.
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Zach Nanini
We can't miss a Friday, right, Rick?
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Richard Marshall Jr.
No, we cannot. We have been busy traveling around, shooting.
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Zach Nanini
We don't miss anything. So I think John came up with a pretty cool idea. He wanted us to do 10 common mistakes that trap shooters are doing. And, and I think these are things that probably I've done, probably you've done, probably most people have done at trap shoots all across the country. And we're just going to talk now. This might not be the, the number 10 best or number 10 worst. It's just things that are commonly done. And, and we might come out with some more tips like this down the road. So, you know, I think to start this off, Rick and I, I hope you're echoing this the same way, but I think the common mistake that I see a lot, that I do a lot, and a lot of people do a lot is calling pool before they're ready or, or moving the gun on the call. I mean, that's kind of like in my mind, the number one thing that you see across the country. I mean, what do you feel about that, Rick?
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Yeah, prime example in Ohio, Sunday's handicap. I broke 96, missed four. I think it was the first 55 and run them out. And I said to Ryan Glow, if I keep my dang gun still, I'd break a hundred. And everybody does it. You know, some of the mics, I mean, we had a rainstorm as, you know, Sunday morning mics fill up with water. They don't usually get drained out or, or whatnot. So that can be a little bit of an issue. But the slow poles had some of them, you know, and that's just common in shooting. Moving the gun before you're ready, you know.
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Zach Nanini
Yeah. And what is, what is that in your mind? What does that do to a shooter when they're moving the gun on the call and they're not seeing the target?
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Well, you're looking at the bead or you, you look back, you do something that's not natural and free flowing. So that's what I always say is, you know, keep the gun still, don't move before you see the target.
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Zach Nanini
So, so, so would you agree that that's probably like our number one thing that we see across the country? I mean, that's probably a good one to start with, right?
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Oh yeah, yeah, it's very common. I see it all the time in clinics, private lessons. Yeah, it is very common to move that gun before, before you see the target.
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Zach Nanini
I, I, I, I do it a lot and I'm trying to work on it, but I think the only way you could work on it is, is by taking your time and getting ready and feeling your eyes lock into place. Like you have to say, okay, I feel myself get there.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Well, make sure your eyes are ready, you're, you're focused, your soft focus, whatever you're doing, looking at, you know, however wide or narrow your soft focus is. But one of the most important things is being confident. If you get up there and mount that gun and, and you're not, your mind's going, you're thinking, well I, I.
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Zach Nanini
Think that comes to number two, which me and Ricky kind of already talked about these 10 things, so I'm just going to go through the list. But number two is, is having the right positive mental attitude. Right, Rick? Like, I think if we look at the adverse of that, it's going into the event with a bad attitude or not believing or not having that confidence. Is that correct?
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Absolutely. I mean, listen, I don't care who you are, everybody has a bad day or has a bad trap, it happens. But when you get that negative and you're constantly like, ah, this place is trash, or you know, I don't want to be here, blah, blah. I always say, well then leave.
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Zach Nanini
Well, yeah, and it's, it's funny to me because you go to these gun clubs and in Ohio we had a couple rainy days and like on the doubles on Sunday there was a ton of people that pulled out and like, yeah, I can understand that at some level, you know, but for us, if it's rain, shine, whatever, we're going out and we're shooting in it. And you can do two things in the morning when you wake up, you can either say, oh crap, it's rainy, I'm going to suck and then go out there and you're probably going to suck. Or you could say, you know what, everybody's got to shoot in this rain. Let's make the best of it, let's get it on and let's freaking. Let's see what we can put up on the board.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
As you saw, I mean, like, prime example, Barrett debris. He was first squad out. He shot in the downpour. You know, we were shooting the same time, you know, next to each other. We shot in the rain. It wasn't a downpour.
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Zach Nanini
Like, it wasn't a downpour. Our back 50 was all right. Our front 50, we were getting a little wet.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Our first post. No. And I went dead lost in the second pair. And I'm like, listen. And that's where. And that's another part of this is the. The, you know, I do the self talk and the thought process, and it's all instant, and it's. I went dead lost. And I said, okay, that's it. You're in the all around. You're in the overall. Let's get together here. And, you know, so, I mean, Rick.
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Zach Nanini
And I don't want to sidetrack too much off the questions, but, you know, that mental mindset that you have, is that something that you've always been able to turn on in your game, or is that something that you had to really work on over years and years of. Of doing it? I mean, does it gotten a lot better over time, or has it always.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Been good, always been fairly decent? I mean, as a young kid, if I wanted to shoot, my dad said, you got to win. We didn't have an unlimited, you know, checking account and. And such. And it was, you know, dad said, you want to go here, you got to win. So. So get to. And. And that being honest, I mean, it was, you know, it was like, hey, you. You got to win to go the next shoot. And then when I started paying for it as a young kid, 18, that's. I mean, I wanted to shoot. I love this sport. I put every ounce, sweat, tears everything into it. You know, 36 years of shooting, and it's one of those that, you know, now can you get that mindset? Absolutely. And it's just thought processes and thought processes and. And trust in the process versus, you know, you have a bad event. In fact, fiddling with the comb, fiddling with the rib, doing the. Listen, my rib has not been changed since 2006.
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Zach Nanini
That's a long time that back then they. They probably just about had fixed rips, guns only. I mean, they didn't even have the adjustable ones. Squirrel. See, Rick, I don't know why you're so good at this, but you're always leading into the next thing. He's a professional people, and I think, you know, our number three thing that we talked about is, is people not having their gun fit properly when they go to the tournament or not being set up correctly. Like, these are the common mistakes that we're seeing. How much when you're doing clinics, Rick, how many times are you seeing guns not set up properly, you know, either. What's, what's most common? What are you seeing more often?
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Most common is people aren't looking down the rib. They're off to the side. They're. They think they see it. I mean, nothing against these, you know, the fluorescent sites. I don't think they're a bad thing. I personally, for me, am like h. I like the white bead just because it doesn't glow, because I feel that glowing can. But also with a fluorescent bead, you can be off to one side and you're like, oh, yeah, I see it. Well, yeah, you might be, you know, instead of looking here, you're here.
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Zach Nanini
Correct. It's correct. I think, I think it gets too big, right? It gets too big and it gets too fluorescent. And you can't really gauge because for me, I feel like when I'm mounting that gun, I mean, even now, and I'm still learning and learning and learning, the more perfect I can get it lined up, the better. And, and it's, you know, you can have it just a little wiggle off. And that little wiggle off at 27 yard line. I think it makes a big difference.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
I mean, you can, you can start to go a foot and you got to remember 30 inch circle, you know, so that's where I always tell people is, you know, set your gun up, make sure it's fitted properly. You know, go to someone that, that knows how to fit a gun. Now there's, there's a lot of people that don't have adjustable combs. And I get that you're. You're kind of it. What you have is what you have. But if you want to succeed in this game, you need a gun that fits you.
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Zach Nanini
And if for some reason you don't have access to that yet and you're having to mount the gun in a way where you're putting your face to the gun. At the end of the day, you need to make sure that the beads line up with your eye. Because, like, when I started, I had, you know, a little old Remington 1100 shotgun, and I was a kid, and it wasn't like a custom fitted stock. It didn't have a comb or anything. It just was a, a classic trap 1100 Monte Carlo with no comb. And what I had to do is I had to kind of lean my head down and over and, you know, roll over to it a little bit to get the beads lined up with my eye perfect. But as long as I was cognizant of what was going on and I was able to mount the gun the same every time and get those beads lined up, as long as I kept my head there all the way through the shot, it worked decently. I mean, it wasn't. It wasn't nowhere as near as like a pillow fit, you know, winning stock, but. But it. It. It did the job if you kept your head in the right spot.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Well, and that's the thing, you know, I've been fortunate. I mean, even at, you know, my size today, which is slimmer than it was a few months ago, you're looking good.
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Zach Nanini
Keep it up. I mean, we're both. We're both trying to lose some weight. This podcast and stuff, it wears you out. People, we got. We gotta get tight.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
We were trying to walk a little bit Ohio, but we left Justin to do that because it was just too hot. You know, they know Joey, trying to go, sent me a message, and it said, hey, Justin's walking. Where's Zach and Ricky? And I said, hey, I'm at Walmart shopping, walking in the ac. I'm the smart one, you know, but, you know, one of the things I've been fortunate, you know, since I started shooting in basically about 87, was every time I picked up a gun, it came right up. I mean, it just kind of a natural mount and looking down it properly.
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Zach Nanini
Well, you're knowing that you want to get that side picture, and you're taking that gun and putting it where it needs to be to say, hey, this is how I have to shoot this gun. And there's some people that can grab any gun off the rack, and they could say, okay, this is how I have to mount this gun to shoot this gun, right? And then there's some people that mount it, and. And I've seen, you know, done some lessons and, you know, had people's guns set up, and they mount the gun and, like, their eye is like an inch off of the rib to the right or an inch off of the rib to the left. The beads are like this. And I'm like, oh, how are you? They're like, I'm not hitting anything. And I'm like, well, how could you. Like, how could you hit anything when you've got the rib in the middle? Of your nose and you got eyes on both sides of the gun. I mean that's just kind of.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Yeah, it's tough. And that's one of the things that I try to tell people. I'm like, anytime you buy a gun, new gun, whatever, try to demo it or go demo one first, you know, that's the possibility.
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Zach Nanini
It's, it's very, very helpful. It's very helpful to have, you know, good fit. And you know, we're kind of looking at, you know, characteristics of what could people, what are people doing and what could they do better. I think the next characteristic that I see people do a lot consistently is they're not prepared. You know, they go to the trap shoot and they haven't done the correct preparation. And Rick, talk a little bit about your preparation, whether it's getting the camper ready, getting your shells ready, or even like we could even get into goals. I mean, I feel like this is almost 4 and 5 if we start talking about goals. But, but like that preparation, where does that start for you?
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Richard Marshall Jr.
So like right now, you know, I got home at 4:00am, 3:45am this morning, grabbed the guns out of the, the camper and, and parked it and then went, got this morning and took it over to an RV park that's close by the house that I take it over and plug it in and you know, let it run, especially in the 100 plus degree temperature.
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Zach Nanini
Oh, it's hot.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Yeah. Grabbed all, you know, dirty clothes stuff, know, so wash your clothes now, get stuff ready. I'll get shells ready later on this evening when it cools down. You know, I'll probably grab oh, three or four flats of each. You know, I shoot the lights and the heavies. So, you know, I'm only shooting 1200 targets or 11. I think it's 1200 targets at Nebraska. I haven't been since 2020. So yeah, it's the welcome back. Yeah, so I'll grab, you know, probably four flats of each, throw them in the truck. And people say why is that? You know, I was like, well, for shoot offs, you know, my, my pre game of, you know, routine of getting everything ready is I want to make sure I got enough shells for shoot offs because.
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Zach Nanini
Well, yeah, because the odds are you're gonna probably be in a shoot off. Ricky, let's just be real.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Well, you got to be confident. You're not. Like I tell people I'm not going for second place. Now do you get second place? Yeah, I mean I was second in several events in, in Ohio which was good. I mean, considering the. The size of the shoot, you know, So I get stuff ready tomorrow, Got a couple doctor's appointments I got to go to, handle that stuff, come home, grab the clothes, take it to the fifth wheel. Hook up.
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Zach Nanini
All right, folks, we got to take a quick second and give a huge shout out to our title sponsor, Craig Off. Me and Ricky both shoot them. We both love them.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
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Zach Nanini
Yeah, I mean, Ricky's got hundreds and hundreds of hundreds with his. I mean, I've got a few hundreds, but. But I'm always working to get a little bit better, and they definitely help me, that's for sure. So on top of that, we also got to thank Winig. I'm wearing the shirt today. Love this shirt. If you're down at the grand, pick one up.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Yeah, winning. Like I said, Zach, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of my winning stock. You know, get a hold of Bobby, Luke, Bill, get an appointment set up. They will make you a better shooter with that winning stock.
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Zach Nanini
Of course. Yeah, the Grand's the great place to do it. Give them a call, get on their book. It's worth your time.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Just remember, winners shoot winnings.
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Zach Nanini
With that being said, let's get back to the show. It's getting things in order. And, like, one of the funniest memories I had as a kid growing up, as when I got down to Kingsburg State. Shoot. And there was a friend of mine, I won't mention his name, but he got all the way down to the chute and he forgot his gun. Like, it was one of those things where it's like, how do you forget? I mean, I'm sure it's happened. People forgot their guns and stuff, but forget your shells, forget your bag, forget the right shoes that you like to shoot in, forget whatever vitamins you're taking or whatever, you know, type of clothes that you like to wear. I mean, this is stuff that's happening all the time. People are like, oh, I forgot this, I forgot that. And I'm like, yeah, that is one.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Thing that Frank Hoppy instilled in me is he used to write a list, and he would go through and check it off once he packed it in the. In the Suburban going to a shoot, when we went to shoots together. And Frank had all his clothes. He had a pair of jeans and a shirt for each day. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.
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Zach Nanini
And little things like, you got to prepare for the things that you're not expecting. Even if you're going to a good weather shoot, I always pack a raincoat. I always pack pants if it gets cold. I always pack a couple slickers that are warm that I can shoot in if the weather changes. I mean, we were in Ohio and we expected hot warm weather all week come Sunday. Jeans and something waterproof was, was very valuable. And you know, most people are like, well, I didn't pick pack that well. Why wouldn't you pack for that off situation day so that you're ready? Because the last thing you want on your mind is, oh crap, now it's a crappy day and I gotta go to Walmart. Right? I'm not prepared.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
I'm this. Yeah, that's. I mean, hey, I shot the whole doubles with my rain pants on. It. It rained. It was raining. And I'm like, I'll just shoot with the shirt instead of the rank coat because it wasn't coming down super hard. So I was like, I'll just. But I left my rain pants on. And then, you know, the shirts I shoot in, they dry pretty quick. The performance shirts. And someone come by and goes, well, you didn't even get wet. I'm like, well, I, I was. But it, you know, so I don't.
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Zach Nanini
Know why people are hating on people for being smart.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Later. Got to beat the weather, folks, you know.
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Zach Nanini
Yeah, you got to have the right stuff. I mean, why would you, why would you worry about, you know, taking one extra thing in my mind so, you know, being prepared, you know, and, and let's. No, that's physically right. That's your shells, that's your, your clothes, that's your, your guns. That's all the things that you could need. When I go, what I like to do is, especially if I'm driven in my car and I don't have my, my fifth wheel RV situation. And this is something Rich Bullard told me a long time ago. He packs a cooler with, you know, ice and drinks and you know, some snacks in the car in case you don't have time. Sometimes when we're shooting late, early and going into that next event, we don't even have time to go have lunch. You know, you might just grab a couple handfuls of beef jerky or some trail mix or something to keep you going and keep you in the game because you have to be prepared and, and, and just having that little stuff there. And you know, we had a situation in Tucson where somebody, their blood sugar went down and so I always keep, I always keep an Energy bar in my shooting bag just in case you ever get in a situation where the sugar goes down or somebody's around you needs that, because you never know when you're gonna need it. And I've. I've needed it several times because unfortunately, in the trap shooting community, some people have, you know, sugar issues, I guess, but. But it's. It's, you know, one too many beers, one too many years, right?
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Richard Marshall Jr.
That could be.
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Zach Nanini
All right, folks, we got to take another quick break and thank some more sponsors. We've got game masters. Ricky, you're our guy over there, right?
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Yep. I. I sell every gun you can imagine. We got ton of Craig Offs, every other brand available. So if you guys need something, let us know. We can hook you up. Worth the shoots. We got vendor buildings in Arizona, Ohio, and then Sparta at the Grand American.
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Zach Nanini
Yeah, I do like such a up that free AC in Sparta, that's for sure. I mean, it's a good time. Come by and say hi to us.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
That's right.
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Zach Nanini
Also shot tracker. I mean, we've. We've had great success with them. Ricky, you've been involved since day one.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
So it's like having a coach on the end of your barrel. It's a great tool, especially for doubles. That's what I really like it for. You can see the transition moving from the first target to the second target. That's where a lot of people get lost in no man's land.
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Zach Nanini
You know, I love that. And I also love the new software update, the stuff that's coming down the pipe. Those guys are constantly innovating. So with that being said, let's get.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Back to the show.
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Zach Nanini
Talking about goals now, going into number five, because I know people don't always have goals. We've talked about goals. We've talked about, you know, we talked about preparing and bringing things. What. When you go to a shoot, are. Are you saying, okay, this is the goal I have for this shoot, or have you already kind of wrote those goals out for the beginning of the year and just it plays out.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
I have short term, midterm, long term, you know, bucket list goals, all sorts of different goals that I have. That's upstairs. But I have shoot goals, and I have two of them. Break 100 straight and win a trophy.
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Zach Nanini
You know, that's funny you say that, because those are my same shoot goals.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
That's.
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Zach Nanini
I want to break 100 straight at every shoot I go to, and I want to win one trophy at every shoot I go to. That is like my number one thing.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Yeah, and I had a stint there of winning a trophy. It was like five or six years maybe where I want a trophy at every shoot, you know, and there were some shoots, you know, you win more and, and I mean, Ohio up till the Emmy, not getting off the subject, but as far as winning trophy, Ohio State shoot, you know, it's the number one, number two, largest state shoot in the country. This year I think it'll be two because the weather kind of hurt him on Sunday. So for the. But you know, I had one runner up in the prelim handicap. That was the only trophy I won going into Sunday. I ended up runner up in the doubles, runner up in the all around, and runner up in the overall. So I end up winning four total trophies. I was tickled pink. Now the, the, the trophies like the doubles, I didn't have to shoot off for it, you know, I mean, it was a long fought after, you know, flip.
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Zach Nanini
It was a powerful flip. I felt, I felt the bad side, I felt the bad side of the coin on the all around in the doubles on that one.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Me and Garrett Holmes were standing there and I said to Garrett, I said, what do you want to do? He said, I don't want to shoot. And Garrett won the handicap. He broke a loan, 99, awesome job of shooting and you know, there. And so we flipped. I won that. And well, we were looking and well, heck, we're tied in the all around. What was me, Garrett, you, Ryan, glow, and ditto. Everybody was gone but us two. And he looked at me and said, I said, well, I guess we should flip for that too. And he goes, oh, okay, we flipped again. I won again.
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Zach Nanini
So you call heads both times or what?
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Richard Marshall Jr.
I let him call.
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Zach Nanini
He. Did he call same both times or did he change and lose both times?
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Richard Marshall Jr.
No, he changed and lost.
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Zach Nanini
See, you never change if you already called one, you got to stick with that one and you'd get the second one that that change cost him.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Maybe he did call us in. I don't remember. I was trying to get out of there. You know, we had a long drive home. But you know, the, the goals, folks, honestly, that should be your number one mental ability or mental capacity of throwing it in there of like, hey, these are what I want to work on. This is what I want to do. And then you can go for your, you know, other things in your, your pre shot routine. But the, the goals, folks, very important. I mean, I don't know how to stress that.
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Zach Nanini
You can't stress it enough. I mean, we talk about it all the time on the show. But, you know, I've had people come up to me at Ohio and say, zach, what you and Ricky are doing, it's inspiring me to get into it and I'm learning so much. I mean, there's people that are league shooters and now that are shooting ATA for the first time and they're shooting 198s, 199s and two hundreds and they're like, it's amazing when you start to say, okay, what are all the little things we have to do? Yeah, and that's why we're talking about today's episode. Like, what are the little things that we're seeing, you know, coast to coast as issues that people consistently do and example, you know.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
You know, I'll give a shout out Joey Charnigo. I mean, Joey shot lights out, you know, won a bunch of stuff. You know, Mikey Wingerd won the handicap, won the all around. You know, Joey won the singles, double the overall. But a gentleman by the name of Jeremy Kettering, who tied me, he won the instant handicap Friday with a 99. But he also tied for the singles championship and ended up runner up to Joey. You know, he talked about watching the podcast and it has helped him so much. So it. The little things like that, you know, I mean, I mean, that's cool. And you know, I want to thank everybody. You know, we had so many kind words and conversations and just so much stuff there at Ohio during our, you know, the back fence Shootout, not our Joey's event that he brought us in on and, and we helped sponsor and, and turned into a awesome event.
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Zach Nanini
Oh, it's going to be an awesome event and I think it's only going to get bigger and bigger every year. And you know, there's. The sponsors already sound like they want to do more next time, you know, so I don't know how much bigger of a buckle we can do because that one was pretty big, Rick. So I mean, we'll just have to figure out what, what we need. Maybe like one of those wwe, you've seen it here first kind of one we throw over the shoulder. No, no, yeah, we're not doing that.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
I'm out. No, but you know, folks, set some goals. Set the short term goals that you can achieve because self satisfaction is the awesome. You know, we're like, oh, great. So set them goals, write them down. You know, I've been doing this a long time, so my goals are upstairs. But write them down and look at them and if you don't achieve it don't get down on yourself. Just say, what do I got to do to work a little bit harder to get that goal? What do I got to do?
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Zach Nanini
You know, I agree with that. Now going to the writing down and the goals, I think another, you know, number six, another common thing that is not done at shoots coast to coast. All right, guys, we got to take another quick break and thanks more sponsors. We got to say big thank you to White Flyer, America's best targets. You make them, we break them, right, Rick?
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Richard Marshall Jr.
That's right. We got the new Eco Flyer that we helped design, myself and Sean Holly, that's out now available out of the Georgia factory. That's an awesome target look for that, you know, going to be available, hopefully everyone by 2025. But yeah, they are best target in the industry.
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Zach Nanini
I'm looking forward to the Blue Gray Shootout this year at the grand too. That's going to be a fun event.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Yeah, it'll. You're in that dude this year, aren't you, Zach?
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Zach Nanini
We both are, aren't we?
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Yeah, well, yeah, I'm in it. I didn't know if you made it or not.
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Zach Nanini
See? Yeah, that's okay. I, I, I, I skated right in there.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Don't you worry.
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Zach Nanini
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Listen, Zach tries to wear these driving down the road doing podcasts. It's okay.
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Zach Nanini
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Richard Marshall Jr.
That's right.
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Zach Nanini
With that being said, let's get back to the show. I feel like a lot of people aren't documenting or journaling their experiences and what they're learning because, I mean. And Rick, you could talk about this for a minute, but what I like to do is I like to keep notes on my phone. I just keep the notes pad open and I have every shoot I go to. I have Ohio State shoot, Illinois State shoot, Missouri State shoot. Every kind of shoot I've ever been to, I title it in my notes with the name of the shoot and then I have running notes for every year, all the different things, whether it's the, the, the banks or whether it's hold points or whether it's, you know, lenses or whatever. I want to put whatever I'm feeling that day, but there's so many missed opportunities for People going to these shoots, maybe it's their first time, and they, you know, they adjust to the background or they adjust to the house, and then they leave for a year and they come back in the first three days. The next year, they forgot what they. They forgot that they were there. I mean, how, how much do you see that happen, Rick?
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Oh, a ton. I used to keep a journal as a young kid, and where I got it actually started was from the Olympic train center, you know, back in the 80s. You know, they give you a journal and, and, you know, you jotted down how was today, what was the target, what was the wind, what was the weather, what was the background? You know, was, were the targets popping with the sun? Were that, you know, what was your lens? I mean, all these array of things. And I use that journal, like I said, upstairs, of if I've been to a gun club one time. When I step foot back on those grounds, it all comes back.
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Zach Nanini
Yeah, and that's, that's very, very important. I think for you, you're an anomaly because you've been shooting so many years and you've done it at such a high level that if you go to San Antonio, you, you know what's going on in San Antonio. You go to Ohio, you know what's going on in Ohio, you've been enough times. But I think for the people that haven't been like, for me, whenever I go to a new gun club, that first week is the learning experience where I'm learning all these little things about, you know, I definitely like these banks over here versus these banks. I definitely, you know, the, these houses are a lot wider, the houses are a lot smaller, things like that. It's really hard to remember all of those details in my mind, and I think people miss out on that.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Well, prime, prime example, folks, okay, you got the U. S. Open at Sparta, and then two months later, a month and a half later, you got the grant. So I used to always shoot the grant, the, the Ohio state shoot when it was in vandalia, because a month and a half later we shot the grant or a month later. And this is a prime deal going back to the grand in Vandalia when they put pat traps in on the facility. We shot him at the Ohio state shoot, they had to raise the roof of the house, so lift the whole trap house up and kind of like shim it. So it was up to be able to get the pats in there. Okay, well, when they did that, we shot them at the Ohio state shoot. Well, it Threw targets out kind of the side of the house a little bit. Why? Notice that? No problem. I moved my whole point out and down just a little bit. Didn't have a problem. First week of the prisms of the grand that year, I was shooting pretty good. A lot of the west coast guys and even east coast GU people from all over that hadn't shot were like, man, Rick, what's going on? What are you doing different? I'm like, nothing, nothing, nothing. It's a grand American. I'm like. And then finally Dave Kelly said to me, you moving your whole point out or something? You're. And I was like, well, yeah, dummy. Look at the freaking targets coming out the side. What are you gonna do in there? Every side. And that's, and that's a little thing, you know. So for the grand, I mean, it's not a bad idea to maybe go shoot the US Open, you know, and be able to get acclimated if you've never been there, stuff like that.
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Zach Nanini
And that's, and I, I, I've shot those banks down there. And a lot of those banks that they shoot at the US Open are the shoot off banks, right? So you can kind of learn. Okay, this is what's going on, this is what's happening. You know, just little, little, little, little tidbits, little tips, right? I mean, you gotta, you, you gotta think this is a game of repetition. The more you can know about your background, the more you can know about your fields, the more you can know about whatever it is you're doing, the better you're going to be in the long run. And I think, you know, it's, it's got to be helpful. But if you're not documenting that information as you're spending that money and as you're doing it, well, then it's gone. Because unfortunately, if I don't write it down in the first five or 10 minutes after an event, an hour later, I've already forgot that I, that I did it. Like, I already forgot it. I moved on, right? So, so I, I think if you're, you know, buy a journal, if you can put it in your, your bag.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Maybe look at it stop into our building at the Grand. Who knows, maybe we'll have some trap talk journals available.
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Zach Nanini
You never know. You never know what we're gonna have available at the Grand. We know we got stickers, we know we got hats, we know we got T shirts. But everything else, John just has packages show up to my house every day and I open it, I'm Like I thought it was something for me. Nope, not for me.
- [33:42]
Richard Marshall Jr.
For the.
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Zach Nanini
For trapped.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
For Ricky. For sure.
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Zach Nanini
All right, trap talk listeners, let's take a couple seconds and thank a couple more sponsors. First of all, Remington's been with us since day one. I've been shooting these shells since 2007. I shoot the Nitro 27 from the 27 yard line. Ounce and eight, seven and a half and STS, ounce and eighth eights for singles and doubles. They've worked great for me as they do a lot of top shooters all around the country. Give them a try. Don't forget the guys the gun club line. When you're practicing and you're wanting to save a little bit of money.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
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Zach Nanini
And they're friends of trap shooters. I mean, they're trap shooting family. They've been in the ATA forever. His dad's been involved. They're involved. They're beautiful family. They're great people. And we just love that they listen to the show and we love that they support trap talk.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Yeah. His dad was past president 1989. So I really want to thank those guys for the support. It really appreciate it here at trap.
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Zach Nanini
With that being said, let's get back.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
To the show number.
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Zach Nanini
Number seven, I think, carries into people mounting the gun. We've talked about gunfit, but how many people. How many common mistakes happen from people coming out of the gun on the way to the target wreck? Do you see that a lot? I mean, how important, I guess rewording that, how important is it to stay in the gun all the way through the shot?
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Oh, it's very important. That's why I. When I teach, I teach people to follow pieces of targets, the follow through. And I get some pushback from some that are like, well, the shot's already out of the barrel. Yes and no. You need to finish the shot and stay locked in. Because the number one reason is to be able to then go on and shoot doubles. Because you got to stay in the gun to be able to shoot the second shot. So I'm a big advocate of the follow through. And I see a lot of people don't do that. Or some people don't even teach that. I do. I mean, the way I drive, you drive through, boom. We're driving through that target. And let me tell you, in Ohio, I mean, they Threw awesome targets. You know, hats off to the cardinal center was 90 flipping plus every day. So it's hot, so there's going to be good scores. But, you know, they had water every day for everybody. I mean, the cart girl driving around, you know, with refreshments, free water.
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Zach Nanini
It's one of the best facilities in the country.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Oh, absolutely. You know, and such. But, you know, the targets, they. Some. We had a few traps, some wide angles, and that doesn't bother me. I'm like, just get on it. Move that gun so well. Yeah.
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Zach Nanini
And you're. I'm so glad you said that about the doubles, because I've always made it a point and it's probably even too much, but I'm locked in that gun where when I shoot that first shot of doubles, I stay in that gun and go over. I mean, that's probably the thing that I, that I do the best is staying in the gun. And it's because you always told me, yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm in that damn thing. I mean, the only one that grips a gun harder than me is Chris Vendel. I mean, it just, he just, you know, you just. But if, if your head's moving or you're coming out, it changes your whole, your whole vision focal point to that target and it causes that gun to slow down and it causes you to stop up instead of turning in with the bird. And, And I, I mean, if you look across the country coast to coast and watch traps and watch people, you're gonna see more people coming out of the gun.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Or, or.
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Zach Nanini
And you know, on top of that, boom, finishing with their hand even. I mean, that left hand finish that. You see that, the Rich Bullard special, right? I mean, that, that. And that comes from coming out of the gun. If you stay in the gun, you're not gonna throw that left hand as a tendency to.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
To do that. The Wiffle ball you get, it's like.
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Zach Nanini
And I guess there's some people that get away with it, but there's some people. But like, for me, I feel like whenever you come off plane, it just messes everything up.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Oh, yeah.
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Zach Nanini
Hey, Trop Talk listeners, let's take a quick second to thank a couple more amazing sponsors. Sos, Clay Chute Management, they're doing a fantastic job. I love the app. I love being able to see everything on my phone instantaneously. It's freaking awesome. Rick, what do you think?
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Yeah, Greg Pink and his group over there. I mean, they've got majority of the satellite grands majority of the state shoots. I think it's 40 plus state shoots they're doing. But the app, honestly, we were doing a little beta testing with that at the spring grand. It's awesome. You can see your squad if they paid, you know, you can see your options, your payouts, the whole works at your fingertips. Great deal. They're just.
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Zach Nanini
Ricky, how much money he made before he even got off the line, he was like, hey, I'm buying lunch. I'm like, yeah, good job. We're just gonna. We also got gun and trophy insurance. I mean, they're the best in the business. I. I know they're. They're great price. Ricky, you're familiar with them, right?
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Yeah. Cole and Larry Cushman, been long time supporters of myself and, and I've been a supporter of them. And you know, especially with my college team, you know, we require insurance. It's so fast and easy to sign up and get your insurance. In literally 10 minutes, you can have your guns insured. And, and they're just great. They're great, great to deal with. Like I said, you can do your trophies also, you know, your, your wildlife, animals and that such and your guns. It's just a great.
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Zach Nanini
It's always good when you're traveling around to have that peace of mind and know that you don't have to worry about losing your stuff forever. And these are expensive things, especially when you got those Craig offs, you got to keep them insured. So. Oh, with that being said, let's get.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Back to the show.
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Zach Nanini
So carrying to number eight. This is another fundamental thing. We talk about this all the time. I mean, seeing people's feet, not adjusting them and keeping them, I mean, keeping them the same one through five is the first thing you see. And then having incorrect feet. Like, like, we've talked about this a bunch, but if we're talking about the things that you see, I mean, how many times are you correcting people's feet, Rick? A lot.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
I. I'm, I'm gonna say 60, 40. You got a few. I mean, we've had. Hey, we've done the episode with shooting and stance. So a few of the classes I've been teaching lately, since those episodes, they're like, hey, watch the episode. How's feet? I'm like, good. But like I tell people, you got to be comfortable, but then also you got to be able to see the target, be able to move properly to it. Because I get. Some people say, well, I'm comfortable. Well, yeah, that's great. But you can't move properly to the target, you know, and then you start arm shooting. And there's only one guy that could arm shoot and that was Leo.
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Zach Nanini
Leo. That's it. I mean, he's the only one I ever seen that got away with it and did it. Great. Yeah, but it's, it's. And we appreciate you guys watching and seeing it, but even then the people that are, aren't watching it. I mean, going from coast to coast and looking across the fields, there's certain things that you just kind of, you kind of pay attention to and you're like, oh, that's, that's a problem.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Right?
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Zach Nanini
I mean if you're.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
I, I seen it in Ohio. I was down helping Tyler. Tyler wanted some help with some handicap and so went down and, and there was a guy shooting on the next field over. And I happened to look over and he was right handed, standing on post one with his right foot like this. Like a left handed person would stand on post five. And I was like. And I watched and you know, a target came out and went right and he went, I mean literally like had to rotate his shoulder. And I'm like, what the heck?
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Zach Nanini
That's not gonna help a good score.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
No, no, not at all.
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Zach Nanini
And I mean most of the stuff that we're talking about, I mean it's all very simple, fundamental stuff. But yeah, you have to do all of it to have success. Right? It's like you can't really miss any of it.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
It put it into that catchphrase and then let her eat.
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Zach Nanini
All right folks, let's take a quick second and thank some brand new incoming sponsors of the show. These are personal friends of mine, fellow clay shooters and lovers of the outdoors, Rick and carla Burke at 73 Pointers Ranch. Rick, tell them what we're doing.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Well, we're doing a giveaway at the Grand American. So they've graciously donated a one person hunt for, I think it's, what is it, 18 quail or 12 chukar or eight pheasants, your choice. Guiding dog. We've got dinner, overnight lodging, you know, breakfast. So yeah, I think it's going to be a great giveaway.
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Zach Nanini
It's a great thing. It's valued at like 1500 bucks. You can obviously bring a guest if you'd like, but you know, it's about an hour out of St. Louis Airport and if you're lucky, maybe me and Rick will go out there with you and do some bird hunting because this is an awesome place, it's a great time and if you're local to this area, it's not that far out of the city so you can be in the office and then be hunting in the afternoon. So they're great, great people and they love this show. So we really, really appreciate the love and support.
- [42:56]
Richard Marshall Jr.
Yeah, we'd like to thank Rick and Carla. We really appreciate that.
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Zach Nanini
Also we've got Mid State Precious Metals, Ron Prescott, he's a great guy for all your golden stuff silver needs. Ricky, tell them about our friend.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Yeah, Ron, he graciously donated a 10 ounce silver bar to our live in person podcast in Tucson. And you know, he has everything. I bought a bunch of silver from him. You know, we got our silver and gold for the, the fun day at the Nevada State shoot on Monday this year. You know, John got all the silver and gold for the Nevada State shoot. So look him up for your silver and gold needs. He'll give you the best price out there.
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Zach Nanini
He really is. And, and he's a friend of the trap shooters. I mean he's looking to get gold and silver to these gun clubs for their shoots at the lowest price across the country. He's doing him a service and helping grow the sport. So, you know, thank you so much for that, Ron.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Yeah, thank you, Ron. We appreciate it.
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Zach Nanini
With that being said, let's get to the show. So that brings us to number, number nine. And I think, you know, me and Ricky talked about this. I think it's very critical. Ricky's pretty consistent with his mine changes a little bit more. But where you keep your eyes when you're getting ready to call poll, what do you see A lot happening there, Rick? I mean, do you see people looking too high, too low? I mean, what, what's common?
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Richard Marshall Jr.
It's all, all the above, honestly. I see a lot of people look too far out and then they, you know, they, when we've talked about this before, but you know, they come back to see the target which is then going away and the head comes up and that goes back to what we talked about, keeping your head down. And I, I always say I like to have the eyes close so it's aware of the gun. Because if it's not, I mean a lot of people go, well, I just shoot off. Insane. Nah, you're seeing something in your, in your subconscious vision or you have to.
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Zach Nanini
Know where that gun is. I don't care what anyone says, you can't just make the gun disappear if it's plopped in the middle of your eye.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Yeah, exactly. So I always see it a lot where, you know, people, they look too far out. Well, then they go all the way in, and then they're like, why can't. I'm seeing a streak. Well, yeah, you're going to. That's why you work on it by pushing it and practicing going, okay, here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to set my eyes here, and I'm. Or the best thing to do, folks. And I tell students this all the time. Go watch other squad shoot and sit there and look at the targets and. And mimic like, okay, pull. Well, I see it. You know, if my eyes are here, I see a little better than here.
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Zach Nanini
Well, yeah, because everyone. Everyone's gonna see a streak at some level, and then everyone's gonna see a whole target. And I gotta take my hat off to Jimmy Heller. I mean, when I was a kid, he told me this. He said, zachary, he said. I said, where are you look, Jimmy? And he says, you should look where you see the target hole. If you see the target hole at 3ft out of the house, well, then that's not a bad place to look, probably. I mean, and. And that was really good advice for me. Now, I've changed that somewhat now, and I do it a little differently now, but for someone that was new, if. If someone asked me, well, where should I put my eyes or where should I start to look for the bird? I would. I would say to start where you see it well. Because if you don't see it well and you, you know, see that flash and you start throwing the gun, nothing good comes from that.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
No, that's what I see the target. I mean, when I see the target leave the house, because I'm on the house, you know, for the first foot, it's a streak, and then shoot. I lock on and wham. Then I drop the hammer.
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Zach Nanini
Wham. I like that. I think John's gonna do kind of special effects with that one. Wow. Ricky dropping the hammer.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Hammer right on Zach's head. Bonk.
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Zach Nanini
Oh, I don't like that. But I think for. For our listeners talking about these eyes, try it out. Figure out what works for you, but have something consistent. Because I find that, you know, when we're talking to these people, they'll say, well, one day I'm looking an eighth of an inch above the beads, and then one day I'm looking 5 inches above the beads, and it's like changing all the time. It shouldn't change that much. I mean, it should be the same.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
I look the same spot as I did 25 years ago. I don't change.
- [47:13]
Zach Nanini
And you're looking through the beads, right?
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Richard Marshall Jr.
I mean, you're looking through beads on the house. I see the target and drive and.
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Zach Nanini
And. And I. I really like that because it's consistent. It's the same all the time for me. Sometimes if I get my eyes too low on the gun and through the beads in that zone, I end up kind of getting that gun in front of the target and stopping. So, you know, I'm. I'm not very high above the guns folk, but. But maybe. Maybe no more than a half a dime above the gun, but, you know, half a dime to a dime. I mean, I'm looking above those beads just so that I can keep that gun out of my eye enough that I. I don't stop the gun when I get there. So, I mean, everyone's got to play with that. But I'm not looking 6 or 8 or 10 inches above the gun. Now, there are some people that I've heard look ahead. I mean, I was talking with Keith Ditto at Ohio, and he said that, you know, he keeps his eyes. He keeps his eyes.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Golf cart winner at the Ohio golf.
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Zach Nanini
Cart champion of the world. You know, he says that he gets his eyes a little bit more above the gun than even I do. And, you know, if that works for him, great. But I feel like you can get to a point, you don't know where that gun is. This time we're plugging trap talk. We got the hats on. Why are you wearing the same hat as me? It's going all gray. We got hats. We still got some available, right, Rick?
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Yeah, we got multiple hats available. We got a big order of hats coming out too. You can get them on the website. John will put the link either up here or down here. Not sure. That's up to John. So I gave him both.
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Zach Nanini
You never know where he's going to put him. That being said, we love you guys wearing the hats at trap shoots. It really shows the support. It shows the love. Take pictures, tag us in Instagram, tag us on Facebook, you know, send us messages. You guys wearing the hats, wear them proud. And we got a big reveal coming for the grand. I think you guys are really going to like it. It's going to be awesome. We're going to have a place for you to maybe get some merchandise, so more details to come with that being.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Said, let's get back to the show.
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Zach Nanini
Well, that brings us to number 10, and number 10 is something that we've seen and experienced and Even in the last couple weeks. And I, I think we'll just, we'll just categorize it as. As what? Temp, temper control, like anger management issues. I mean, people getting. People getting a little upset and letting it affect their game. How much do you think that plays into it, Rick?
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Oh, a lot. I mean, you, I mean, a lot of stuff. You know, we, We've seen stuff happen behind you when you're shooting, people being real loud. People get mad about that. You know, it happens, you know, because you're in the heat, you're trying to work and, and, and do well, and then you got people back. So it's all a quick reaction. But I always say, control everything. You miss a target, that's part of the deal, you know, with the anger. You miss when you get mad. Throwing shells and stuff. You got to control that. Because if you're angry, the next target possibly could be a loss too.
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Zach Nanini
Yeah, and it happens. I mean, there was a time where, you know, I'd get so angry, missing, and then I'd be thinking about it and I'd be steaming. My head would turn red. I look like Dave Kelly. And, and you'd. You. You'd miss the next one because you're like, oh, I just went from a nine to an eight. And now you're from an eight to a seven. Right.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Like you're on a five going, what the hell?
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Zach Nanini
You're at six and now you're at a five and you just took a two post at the grand and all your option money's gone. Right. I mean, you just. It's not fun. So that all happens when you get. You lose your cool. And, you know, we're talking about two separate things. We're talking about one, losing your cool because of a mistake that you made. But two, losing your cool because of outside circumstances. And those outside circumstances could be the house ran out of targets or the puller doesn't know what the hell they're.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Doing, or we've had all that, you know, and it's one of those that you gotta keep your cool. You gotta.
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Zach Nanini
You gotta just move with the environment. Whether the targets are crappy or the puller's messing up or there's somebody behind you making a bunch of noise. What can you do in that moment to make it better? You cannot let it affect you. Because if you let it affect you once it's affecting you, then you're in a position where, okay, I let that outside experience bother my game. I mean, and, And Ricky's one of the Best at it. I mean, I've seen traps run out. I've seen, you know, pullers messing everything up and people honking their horns behind him and he's just like, target, bang. And. And breaks it. And that's. That's something that I see consistently across the country. I think trap shooters might be a little, little, Little hot headed in general because I see shells ejecting forward out of those K80s way too much. The forward eject model, it just says.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Listen, I put my hand up and I go pop. And sometimes it goes forward. Justin asked me if mine ejected forward and I said, it's going to eject to the left.
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Zach Nanini
It's going to eject. I don't like it when he ejects.
- [52:23]
Richard Marshall Jr.
I want to have Andy at Craig up, put me a super spring in there where I can turn the gun and go swing and hit Justin over on the left side of me.
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Zach Nanini
Where. Where it really gets me is when it ejects to the side and it hits the Canterbury mic and then boom. A target goes off that, that, you.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
Know, it was really funny over there in Ohio. I had an annual done on my gun and I was shooting the doubles and it. The humidity, of course, things start sticking.
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Zach Nanini
You know, they stick in there. Yeah.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
And my chuckles and I seen it gonna fall and I'm like, I'm gonna let it hit. It hits the concrete, bounces up in the air. And Ryan Glow is mounting his gun and I'm like, oh, it's not gonna affect him. It's like he does like the quick call and it goes ting. And he goes, pull. And it was just a little quick. And he's like, he looks at the mic. We got done. I was like, hey, sorry about that. He's like, what are you talking about? I told him, he goes, oh, that was you? And I said, yeah, the shell literally hit that came back up and it happens, you know, it does.
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Zach Nanini
I mean, it does. As long as it's not happening out of anger, right? You're like, you're throwing a show, you're hitting something, you know, that type of situation. But. But in general, you know, we thought about this and.
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Richard Marshall Jr.
And be positive. Like, my number one thing in shooting is have fun, be positive. You know, it's a great sport, it's great family aspect, you know. You know, I'm fortunate. You know, my wife and son were there at Ohio shoot with Tyler and Justin and Wyatt, you know, and Ryan Glow family squad. Yeah, we had a great time. I mean, everybody shot well. You know, we had Ups and downs with, you know, targets. You know, we had a few houses run out and. And, no, we had.
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Zach Nanini
We had. We had houses run out in doubles here and there. But, you know, it happens. It's. It's not.
- [54:12]
Richard Marshall Jr.
I mean, it. It's tough, you know, there.
- [54:15]
Zach Nanini
Sometimes there's just not enough workers, and they're spread thin and they're doing the best they can. It's not like this is the only place in the country where that happens. I mean, I can tell you it's probably happened at every single shoot I've been to this year at least once. So, you know, if you're. If you're running a 50 straight or 100 straight and it happens, and that's enough to upset you to miss. Well, I mean, you got to be able to say, hey, this is just part of the program. This is just another day in the office.
- [54:42]
Richard Marshall Jr.
Have fun. If you revert back to just have fun, you'll be fine.
- [54:47]
Zach Nanini
I like that. Ricky. We're gonna have a. We're gonna have a hat, and it's gonna say, have fun.
- [54:51]
Richard Marshall Jr.
Have fun with a smiley face.
- [54:53]
Zach Nanini
Have fun from Trap Talk. But with that being said, we had a lot of fun going over these tips with you guys. I hope you use them. I hope you enjoy them. We're definitely going to do some more of this stuff because you guys keep asking, you know, for.
- [55:06]
Richard Marshall Jr.
Send some stuff in, folks. Send in, like, hey, you want a big episode on this or that? You know, if you tell us what.
- [55:12]
Zach Nanini
You want, we aim to please. You say, hey, we're here. We got a great producer, John. He hooks it up all the time. Shotco Productions. You got to give a shameless plug to them. But at the end of the day, we're doing this for you. So if there's something that you want us to cover, there's something you want us to get into, send it in. We'll get it done. We love shooting episodes. So thanks for tuning in, and we'll see you next Friday.
- [55:35]
Richard Marshall Jr.
See you next Friday. Good luck, everybody.
- [55:38]
Zach Nanini
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