Trap Talk Ep. 172: Listener Question Extravaganza Part 2 | More Trapshooting Q&A

Summary

Trap Talk Ep. 172: Listener Question Extravaganza Part 2 | More Trapshooting Q&A

Podcast: Trap Talk From The Back Fence
Hosts: Trap Talk Zach (Zach Nannini) & Ricky (Richard Marshall Jr.)
Date: April 17, 2026

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Episode Overview

This lively “Listener Question Extravaganza Part 2” episode brings together hosts Zach Nannini and Richard Marshall Jr. (aka "Ricky") for a fast-paced (and sometimes not-so-fast-paced) Q&A. Drawing on listener emails, social comments, and stories from the road, the duo tackles everything from tournament strategies and mental routines to trapshooting equipment, travel tips for shoots, gun fitting, and more. Fans get a front row seat to expert tips, plenty of banter, and some hilarious behind-the-scenes stories from the world of competitive trapshooting.
Tone: Friendly, knowledgeable, often humorous, and always passionate about the sport and its community.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Cardinal Center Shoots—Big Year for Ohio (01:00–05:46)

• John [guest] details three major shoots at Cardinal Center for 2026:
  • Buckeye Open: May 27–June 1
  • Ohio State Shoot: June 22–28 (including the Backfin Shootout)
  • Cardinal Classic: Aug 11–16 (after the Grand)
  • Big-payout Lewis purse, ammo giveaways, Browning gun raffle, junior purses, and whopping amounts of gold/silver for champions.
• Zach on the Ohio State Shoot’s 160oz added silver/handicap event:

  “All you gotta do is shoot all the handicaps in the overall. I mean, it’s a no-brainer. Just show up and... get in on 160 ounces of silver. Where the heck can you do that?” (02:39)

• New tech update: Cardinal Center is now on the SOS Clays app for real-time tracking, squad status, and payouts.
• Personal experiences: Both Zach and Ricky endorse the facility (great camping, family-friendly amenities) and encourage anyone who hasn’t visited to add it to their bucket list.
• Ricky’s legacy:

  “I was break 100 and handicap from the 27 there, and I sit right now with the tide with Mr. Leo Harrison for the most hundreds broke there with four.” (04:57)

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2. Listener Q&A Segment: Part 2

A. International Connections & Guest Invites (05:49–07:43)

• Australian DTL (Down-The-Line) World Champion Dan Power gets a shoutout/invite:

  “Second of all, I mean, you don’t have to threaten me and Ricky with a good time... not many things you have to sell to get us to come down there and shoot shotguns.” (06:22, Zach)

• Reflection on global trapshooting community and club differences.

B. Technical Qs: Shooting Pace, Self-talk & Routine (09:00–18:19)

• Q (from Jeff): Struggling with shooting too fast and shooting at the flash.
  • Tips: Focus on controlled breathing and gun mount to steady nerves.

    “A lot of times just slowing my breathing and even slowing my mount... causes me to be a little bit slower and methodical.” (09:22, Zach) “If you gotta think about slowing down, you’re probably thinking too much...just be cognizant of the breathing and just take your time. See it, shoot it.” (10:00, Ricky)

• Joey Charnigo’s approach cited:

  “If you’re shooting it fast and hitting it... there’s no such thing as too fast.” (10:28, Zach)

• Self-talk and finishing scores:
  • Most top shooters don’t engage in heavy inner dialogue; too much can be draining.

  “Get that, that self talk. If you need to use it, that’s fine, but don’t overdo it.” (14:13, Ricky)

  • Leo Harrison’s advice:

    “You only have 15 minutes left. You can do anything for 15 minutes.” (16:50, Zach as recalled from Leo)

C. Simplifying the Mental Game (18:19–21:32)

• Break long rounds into smaller goals—25s, 5s, or even “one bird at a time.”

  “If you haven’t broke a hundred, but you’re 75 straight... go back to what you have done.” (20:33, Zach)

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3. RV Travel Tips for Shoots (24:53–32:39)

• First-hand advice for new camper owners:
  • Don’t expect major cost savings; value is in the comfort and convenience (resting between events, familiar food, consistent sleep).
  • Make sure your bed and pillow are comfortable; bring extra fans, extension cables, fresh water and sewer hoses, and backup fuses/adapters.
  • Pre-make meals to keep eating healthy on the go.
  • Build a basic tool kit and keep rubber gloves on hand for septic chores.

  “You’re driving a house down the road and it’s basically experiencing an earthquake every time...” (30:49, John)

  • Classic mishap story: The notorious “camper flood” at Stockdale, involving a jammed toilet and accidental black water disaster (33:00–37:18, hilarious quadruple account).

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4. Gear, Gun, and Shooting Tech Q&A

A. Choke & Squad Timing at Tournaments (41:04–49:41)

• Best times to squat: Ricky recommends late-morning squads for the first event, first-out for the second. For 3-event days: late, then double first-out.

  “You’re not wasting all that energy running...For me...find the guys you could shoot with.” (42:24–42:54, Ricky/Zach)

• Choke recommendations:
  • Singles: Start with mod/full; mod is ok for new shooters, but moving towards full helps diagnose and improve breaks.
  • Handicap: IMOD/full.
  • Doubles: 20k/30k (no need to change).

  “...if you don’t ever hit one and smoke one, then you’re probably under choked.” (47:33, Zach)

B. Pre-practice & Tournament Routine (50:27–56:46)

• Hydration is #1:

  “Here’s a 1 gallon, I just finished it for the day, and I drink one of these every day.” (51:02, Zach)

  • Use electrolyte powders instead of sugary drinks for sustained focus.
• Nutrition:
  • Regular, balanced meals; avoid diets during shoot weeks—brain needs calories.

  “Shoots are not a time for diets. Your brain needs a ton of calories to focus.” (56:41, John)

• If you’re not shooting year-round:
  • Recommend dry gun mounts, light dumbbell work for gun-lifting strength, stretching, and quality practice.
• Routine: Stay consistent with what works for you—whether that’s a certain meal or warmup; don’t overdo practice right before events.
• Mental consistency:

  "Consistent is the key. If you shoot great handicap on a cheeseburger every day, then eat a cheeseburger." (56:33, Zach)

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5. Handling Flinching (57:23–62:36)

• Flinching is often a visual issue, not strictly a recoil problem.

  “Flinching starts...when the target gets obscured by the gun somehow...if you’re getting buried, you’re asking for a flinch...raise the comb, boom, flinch gone.” (60:05–61:50, Zach)

• Check gun fit, especially comb height, before considering mechanical fixes like a release trigger.
• Mental aspects also matter, but start with mechanics.

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6. Palm Swells, Gun Fit & Equipment Gimmicks (63:00–70:16)

• Palm swells: Undervalued but critical for proper gun control and comfort.

  “You drive the gun from the back...If you don’t have a good hold of it, well, then how can you expect to drive it?” (64:40, Zach)

• Factory stocks are often too thin—solutions: add-ons, tape, even DIY with tennis grip or bondo.
• Ported barrels: Not a gimmick; they do reduce barrel jump, but real gains are incremental:

  “If you put some holes in a barrel, it’s going to relieve some gas… that’s probably going to stop muzzle from jumping… is that 10%, 2%? I don’t know the math, but if it makes it a little bit better...” (69:14, Zach)

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7. ATA Event Tips for First-Timers (70:18–73:32)

• Major events (like Great Lakes Grand at Mason, MI) are week-long with multiple events; you can shoot as many or as few as you like.
• If totally new: attend for two days, focus on a few events (singles, or try all three for the “all around”).
• Don’t stress about bank assignments or times—just be prompt for your squads.
• Take it slow; don't feel pressure to shoot every game right away.

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Memorable Quotes

• “You only have 15 minutes left. You can do anything for 15 minutes.” (16:50, Zach recalling Leo Harrison)
• “If you’re shooting it fast and hitting it...there’s no such thing as too fast.” (10:28, Zach)
• “Get that, that self talk. If you need to use it, that’s fine, but don’t overdo it.” (14:13, Ricky)
• “Do not ever take food advice from a white man that’s as skinny as John.” (28:41, Zach, jokingly)
• “You drive the gun from the back...If you don’t have a good hold of it, you can’t expect to drive it.” (64:40, Zach)
• “Shoots are not a time for diets. Your brain needs a ton of calories to focus.” (56:41, John)
• “Break it down into fives then…simplify. Whatever’s the simplest for you.” (21:05, Ricky)
• “Flinching starts...when the target gets obscured by the gun. If you’re getting buried [with low comb], you’re asking for a flinch.” (61:50, Zach)

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Notable Moments & Laughter

• Hilarious “RV Black Water Flood” story about a camper mishap, evoking laughs, and revealing the comical—and sometimes gross—side of life on the trap circuit (33:00–37:18).
• Banter about food and cooking at shoots (“Team Nanini Night,” ribeye vs. carne asada debates).
• Multiple plugs and shoutouts for friends, sponsors, and collaborators throughout (SOS Clays, Craig-off, Outlaw Engineering, etc.) add to the “inside the community” feel.

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Big Cardinal Center Shoots Preview: 01:00–05:46
• Listener Question: Shooting too fast/slowing down: 09:22–12:25
• Self-talk, nerves, and handling pressure: 13:15–17:38
• RV/camper tips & legendary flood story: 24:53–37:18
• Squad timing and choke selection: 41:04–49:43
• Prep/tournament routines (hydration, diet, exercise): 50:27–56:46
• Flinching causes and remedies: 57:23–62:36
• Palm swells/gun fit discussion: 63:00–68:52
• Event advice for ATA first-timers: 70:18–73:32

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Conclusion

This episode is packed with hard-earned wisdom, practical tips, and classic “back fence” humor. It emphasizes the importance of mastering basics, knowing yourself, maintaining consistency, and enjoying the camaraderie of the trapshooting community. By sharing both technical advice and slice-of-life tales, Zach and Ricky make advanced shooting knowledge approachable and connect listeners to the heart of the sport.

Transcript

[A]

Welcome to season four of Trap Talk,

[B]

brought to you by Craig off the choice of champions.

[A]

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[B]

Yes, folks, you can get hats, T shirts, sweatshirts. They even have a ladies tank, shooters, towels. We might have some new stuff coming out for the 2026 year. Who knows?

[A]

We got all the swag. Head on down to the website. Thank you so much for being Trap Talk supportive.

[B]

Thanks everyone.

[A]

Hey folks, before we get into this episode, I got to give a huge shout out to the Cardinal Center. They're doing a fabulous job and they've got some fantastic shoots coming up with some prizes. John, tell the folks what they got coming up.

[C]

Well, they've got their three big shoots, so they've got the Buckeye Open, they've got the Ohio State shoot and they've got the Cardinal Classic. The Buckeye is May 27 through June 1. The Cardinal Classic is actually after the grand, so that's August 11th through the 16th. And the Ohio State shoot this year is June 22nd through June 28th. Also going to have the backfin shootout during the Ohio State shoot also. So yeah, they're really kicking it up this year, Rick. They're doing a big giveaway, twenty thousand

[B]

dollar Lewis at the Cardinal Classic. So you guys don't want to miss that. So I might have to pencil that back in on the schedule if they're giving away a bunch of gold and silver for that. We got the, the silver and the gold, everything given away at the Ohio State shoot with the Back vent Shootout. There's another event too going on in Ohio State shoot. So folks, you don't want to miss the Cardinals three big shoots. Putting them all on your calendar.

[C]

Yeah, I think in the, the Buckeye Open they've added a bunch of stuff too. So they're giving away. I'm just kind of looking at the list here. 7, 8 flats of ammo they're going to give away. They're. They're giving away L and M lenses. They're doing a Browning CSX gun giveaway at the Buckeye also. And then, yeah, like you were saying, Rick, the Cardinal Classic, they've just started adding stuff. They've got the $20,000 in gold and silver for the HOA. Yeah, they're doing some added stuff. I heard for the juniors, you know, they're doing like a $3,000 purse for some juniors. Junior, I think. Yeah, yeah, so they're doing that too. And then the Ohio State shoot this year they're kicking it up also. So the Cardinals center and the Ohio State shoot together. I think this is the year to make sure you make it out to Ohio.

[A]

Well, Ohio State's got 160 ounces of added silver in that combined handicap event. I mean that's a huge deal. Champion runner up and then yardage groups are all going to get some silver. And I mean that is completely free to enter. All you got to do is shoot all the handicaps in the overall. I mean it's a no brainer. Just show up and shoot the handicaps. Get in on 160 ounces of silver. Where the heck can you do that? Other than like Nevada.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.

[A]

And, and double plug.

[C]

A double shameless.

[A]

Double shameless. That's like their version of the twofer, but a little different. We just stick together. Yeah.

[C]

Oh, and here, here's a breaking news for everybody. The Cardinal center has also switched over to SOS Clays.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

So now the app is going to work. You can see how much you're winning. You can check your squads, all that good stuff. SOS is at the Cardinal center now.

[A]

Three fur. Three fur.

[B]

Three.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, and all the gold and silver came from Ron Prescott at Midsafe Precious Metals. Is that a four for plugs?

[A]

On plugs? On plugs. We love plugs.

[C]

I, I think the main story here guys is this is a year to. If you haven't gone to Ohio, it should definitely already been on your bucket list.

[A]

Not, you know, going to Ohio. Haven't gone to Ohio. You need to seriously reconsider your lives. Like get it together, folks. Go to the Cardinal Classic. Shoot targets at the greatest place in Ohio to shoot targets and win silver and gold with the likeness of the greats like Joey Charnigo. Slow Joe baby. It's, it's, it's a real deal. Come on out and see us.

[C]

That's very true. And it's a beautiful facility. I mean it is one of those kind of marquee facilities for trap shooting. So I would definitely. Yeah. Say go there and trap talk's gonna be there.

[B]

That's right.

[C]

Merge.

[B]

We'll have everything.

[A]

My, my little shout out to. It is what I love best about it is the camping because they've got so many camping spots there that everyone can stay on the grounds with their trailer and they've got a swimming pool. They've got like cool little trails and stuff you could walk on. I mean it's just a beautiful facility and it makes you feel like you're at a resort at a gun club. And that's like, that doesn't happen, guys. Like, it's, it's very, very beautiful.

[C]

Rick, you've had some, some pretty big stuff happen at Ohio. I'm trying to remember back. Weren't you the first to do something at Ohio?

[B]

I was break 100 and handicap from the 27 there and, and I sit right now with the tide with Mr. Leo Harrison for the most hundreds broke there with four. We each broke four so far. That's awesome.

[C]

Yeah, that's, that's, that's really cool.

[B]

Yeah. If you, if you haven't been there, put it on the list. All three shoots, especially the Ohio State shoot and the Cardinal Classic. Those two are for sure.

[C]

Yeah. And this year they are going above and beyond. So we love, we love to see states kicking it up. We love to see gun clubs kicking it up and giving back to the shooters. I think there's a lot of value in the shooters heading out to Ohio. And again, these guys are going to be there. So I mean, what other reasons?

[A]

And, and they got the backfin shootout Pfeiffer. Right?

[B]

We're rolling.

[A]

Yeah, it's all plugged up today and we're having a good time. So that. With that being said, John, let's get to the show.

[C]

All right, guys. Hey, let's. Let's keep this thing going. We've got a ton of questions and we really appreciate the fans sending them in. This next one comes from another top fan, Dan Power. Friend of the show. Really A guy down under. Yeah, from down under, a guy. We need to get on the show. So Dan writes in. When would y' all like to catch up and chat about shooting down under and what is it going to take to get to the grand for us? So Dan, I guess open invite, right? I guess we're. We're going to head down to Australia.

[B]

I would say. Yeah, let's go.

[A]

I mean, I'm to hang out with some kangaroos. It'll be fun. We can clown around. Dan, listen, first things first, you need to get on the show. So if you're listening to this, hit us up. We need to schedule a time because we've talking about it, but we haven't done it. So let's schedule a podcast. I don't know what the time change is to Australia, but we'll figure it out and we'll make it work one way or the other. Second of all, I mean, you don't have to threaten me and Ricky with a good time. Very hard I mean, you, you don't have very many things you have to sell to get us to come down there and shoot shotguns. Okay, so let's just put that out there.

[C]

Just, you know, tell us where to stay, you know, and then that's right away. All right, so Dan, Dan, definitely get a hold of us. We want to get you on the show. We want to hear about trap shooting in Australia and everything that you guys have going on down there. I know there's a lot going on there and I think the fans here would love to hear about it.

[A]

So yeah, he's the DTL champion for the year. I mean, shout out to him for winning that national. I mean, I guess it's a world title, right, Rick? The dtl. Yep. So he's the, the world DTL champion. And I mean.

[B]

Yeah, and I think it was. Or yeah, it was New Zealand. I don't know how they, they work all those for sure.

[A]

So I'd love to hear it from him. But I know, I know he won the whole big cup because I got the picture and I think that was, that was awesome. So congratulations, buddy.

[B]

That's right. We appreciate all the support from you, Dan, and all the boys down under.

[C]

All the boys down for sure. For sure. All right, we're gonna do some rapid fire ones here as we kind of move Corey Cruz. Why can't trap shooters just say pull to signal the clay to be chunked out of the chunker? We did cover this one that hard P, you know, can bounce a couple of heads off the stocks.

[B]

So you know who Corey Cruz is, do you not, John?

[C]

No, I don't know.

[B]

Cruise is a two time national Sporting Clays champion.

[C]

Well there, there you have it right there.

[B]

Oh, and Corey is though a past trap shooter and Corey does like to shoot trap folks for everybody out there. That's who we went on a nice exotic hunt together with Joey. And you know, Corey's got a, a podcast, well, I would say an app, but the Sporting Collective and he does some, some live stuff on there, but Corey Hasbrook 100 in trap, so.

[C]

Oh, there you go.

[B]

Yeah, so he is. And we, we talk about. Because people always say that, you know, but with sporting you can keep your head off the gun, right? You don't want to keep your head off the gun. Yeah, very true. So not work so well, we appreciate you sending in a question.

[C]

Yeah, thank you, Corey. We appreciate that for sure. Stephen Melton. I'm just going to try to hit all the fans here, guys. All right, guys, the next One coming is from Jeff Dundria. I have been struggling with shooting too fast, and I also will sometimes leading to shooting at the flash of the birds and dropping them. Any recommendations on how to slow down down? I think that's a great question.

[A]

You know, when I'm shooting too quickly, I try to slow myself down. So I try to breathe a little bit slower and kind of get my heart rate down. Because if you're excited, you're, like, ready to go, right? Like, the adrenaline's pumping you to shoot. So a lot of the times just slowing my breathing and even slowing my mount down and slowing things down a little bit more causes me to be a little bit slower and methodical. I'll do that a lot more in handicap or in singles. And then when I flip to handicap, I might mount the gun and be just a little bit more aggressive with everything I'm doing. That's one personal tip that I use to kind of slow myself down when I feel like I'm getting out of control.

[B]

Yeah, I would say to slow down. If you gotta think about slowing down, you're. You're probably thinking too much. So I would just worry about, you know, keeping the breathing under control. Because a lot of times people speed up when the. The adrenaline's going. And, you know, if you're shooting a good score or whatnot. So really, just be cognizant of the breathing and just take your time. See it, shoot it.

[A]

What Ricky's always told me that's been very helpful is he doesn't have a specific shot timing. He shoots it when he's there. So there's no such thing as shooting it too fast or shooting it too slow. If you're shooting it fast and missing it, well, then that's a problem. But if you're shooting it fast and hitting it like Joey Charnigo, I mean, really. I mean, there's no such thing as too fast. The problem is you're not recognizing the target properly and you're not making the right move to the target properly. I mean, if anything Joey's taught me is there's really no such thing as too fast to shoot it. But he's ready and he's locked in and his body is ready to make that shot very, very quickly. So, you know, I would say if you're going to shoot fast, be ready and see the target. Well, I just.

[C]

I think you're. Yeah, you're hitting it, Zach. I think you're hitting. Because he may be referring to he's shooting too fast. Not from his, you know, timing to the bird, but, you know, it's his turn to shoot. He's just bringing the gun up, calling for the bird and going right. Versus bring it up. Yeah, he's not ready to shoot. Right. Because in that, like what you were saying, Rick, too, when you're getting in those high adrenaline moments, your mind wants to be done, so it's rushing.

[A]

Oh, yeah, you want that.

[B]

You want to get it over with as fast as possible. And that's the mistake that, you know, newer or less experienced shooters do. And that's the lovely thing about, you know, technology we have now. The. The voice calls the. The pat traps, blah, blah, blah, blah. The learning curve has been shortened so much for all these shooters nowadays. From what I even experienced to even back when Frank Leo, Ray Stafford, Dan Bonillas, all them guys started shooting, I mean, their learning curves were huge. A lot of trial and error, you know, and I mean, I would hate to see what someone like, you know, Brett Robinson or. Or Leo Harrison that was 15 to 20 years old today could do.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, I mean, it's like when I was a kid, you know, we didn't have all this stuff. So if you can, you know, with this technology, like the podcast, you know, we give out a ton of info, you know, where I didn't have access to stuff like this, you know, growing up, you know, and neither did Zach, even though he.

[A]

If he would have had this, he would not be runner up in all those clay targets. I'm telling you, he would have one by now. Promise you.

[D]

Fact.

[B]

Fact. That's horrible.

[C]

Fact.

[B]

I've got a lot of ruse. 4 times, 22 times. I don't even know what it is. I see him, John. I look up here in my office. Yeah. And I've got bags up on top. And I see Rue. Rue. I do have a winning doubles champion one up there, though, so that.

[C]

That's.

[B]

That's real special because it does say champion.

[A]

Hell yeah, he does. He's. He's got the stuff.

[C]

Well, that brings. That brings me to another question that I think might help some people. How much inner talk is going on when you guys are really trying to stay in it and kind of finish that round out? And, you know, I mean, obviously in the back of your head, we all know we're on a score, right? We know we're doing good. How much are you talking yourself down, or is there. Rick, I've heard you just mention about positive talk, right. And pushing yourself up. How much inner dialogue is going on in between those shots, you know, in,

[B]

in the event, not a lot. I mean, you know, I've. I guess that my system or how I shoot and, you know, I guess now I get more nervous, you know, for Tyler standing next to me shooting when, you know, because his scores have increased dramatically.

[C]

Dramatically.

[A]

He's doing way better.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Doubles.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, he's. I mean, listen, I tell people all the time. I mean, you know, I tell you what, this coming year at the Grand, I would love to see him break 100 in the doubles championship and, and, and along with myself, you know, But, I mean, everybody's going to have their hands full with him. I mean, he's. He's got some mental ability. And so it's one of those where I watch him and I'm watching him break targets and it's. It's a little different, you know. So for me, I guess, I mean, I get down to the end. I just know to. Honestly, especially in handicap. My good buddy Dave Kelly used to always give me crap because I'd miss the last target a lot. I would. I've missed the last target more handicapped. Zach can tell you this and, and cost me a lot of money where. And Dave was. I say, God damn it, be ready. So literally the last targets. Now I. And the only time I didn't do it was the one time last year at the grand and I missed the last. Son of a gun for a 99. I was still happy. I was pissed for a split second. I was like, well, hey, I broke 99. Still a good score. So what people got to realize is get that, that self talk. If you need to use it, that's fine, but don't overdo it. That's one of the biggest things I've been seeing with talking to some people is they're overdoing it where they're constantly like, okay, okay, look for the okay.

[C]

Then it goes back to that fatigue thing that we were talking about before, where now you're actually just draining yourself by trying to do so much self talk. Right?

[A]

There is a huge dynam dynamic shift that happens in my mind mentally when I'm going from box one, box two, box three to box four. Because my, my brain, my mental game, when you're running 75 shots or you're about to finish a big score, everything in my body is screaming at me, okay, slow down. Be careful. Check yourself. This, that, and I. I gotta yell, shut the hell up. Like, that is not how you got here. Like, you did not. You did not. Be careful. On the first 75 shots, you have to. You have to be the same.

[B]

Your problem and Zach used to do this, and he's gotten a lot better is Zach used to miss on the last post a lot also, especially in doubles. He's finished on one. And it would be. It'd be, you know, every other post is bang, bang, faster, faster. Last post is. And I'm like. And he'd be down there and I would stop occasionally and look at him, and he do. And I'm like, Then all I had to do is give him that look because I knew if I didn't, he's gonna miss one.

[A]

Yeah. You know, I. So. So there's two. Two ends of that. It's like we've been talking about a lot on the show. It's like, you gotta learn from that position. So first thing I was doing was being too cautious and messing it up by being defensive and then too aggressive. But the best thing that I ever heard, and I heard it from two people. The first person I heard it from was Leo Harris, and the second person I heard it from was Jerry Parr is you only have 15 minutes left. You can do anything for 15 minutes. And if you just get singularly focused on one bird at a time and go back to breaking one bird at a time, it makes it go by. But everything in your mind wants to rush to get through that last box because you're like, I want to get it done and get it over with. You got to slow it down. Even Dave Kelly told me, you got to slow it down.

[B]

And not as slow as, you know, him and Keith, ditto. They. They take that.

[A]

That's a whole nother level.

[C]

That's a different. That's a different type of slow. I remember that. Yeah, I remember that from Leo, though, Zach, on the. On his DVD that I had way back in the day. I remember that. I hear it in my head all the time. Just him saying, I just remember I can do anything for 15 minutes and

[A]

it just can do anything for 15 more minutes.

[C]

I remember him saying that.

[A]

Yeah. And so you've got 25 good mo, 25 good looks, 25 good calls. I mean, 25 individual good shots broken down one at a time. And if you do that, you're going to start finishing a lot more scores.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You take three seconds a shot. We've talked about this multiple times. Three seconds a shot. So that's 15 seconds per post. Okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You. Five minutes roughly. For a whole round of a hundred. You can do five minutes. That's all you need.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, you can definitely do it.

[B]

And that's what I try to tell. But now you got the time in between and, and you know, but the mindset is one of the biggest things. You know, we've been talking to a lot of mental people stuff about things lately and all that. And you know, there's, there's a lot of good. There's some that works for some people, doesn't work for the other, you know. You know, for me it's, it's just, you know, trust yourself, find what works for you.

[A]

And, and, and you're gonna have to go through trial and error and figure out what works best for you. Not all this stuff is going to work, but you're gonna find it, to feel it. And then you've got to learn to, to kind of anchor in those feelings and be like, oh crap, I've done this before. I remember how I felt this time. Now last time I did this, maybe don't do that this time. Shift over here and try this way.

[B]

And that's why practice, that's why practicing with a purpose and perfect practice works. Now you can go out and, and I'd say this people all the time. I don't worry about score a lot, you know, if I'm out trying something, score. Because what happens when you do that? Then you get wrapped up in, oh God, I just broke an 18. Well, yeah, but you try to a hold point three feet over the house for the whole round that you're usually on the house. So now you're wrapped up in the score. Now you're worried about missing. So you, you got to kick all that out and just go shoot, you know, practice what, what you're looking to do. And if it doesn't work, okay, well, check that off the box. That don't work, you know, and go on. But yeah, the, the selft talk, you know, I, I mean I've been through it. I've been fortunate to break some big scores and some, some hectic events and with a lot of money on the

[C]

line, high pressure situations.

[B]

High pressure situations. And I've always reverted back to this. I've done it before.

[A]

Yeah, I've done it before.

[C]

That's, that's why, that's why when you see people break hundreds, you see them start to break more hundreds. Because now it's a proven fact,

[B]

it

[A]

is the first trophy, the first 25, the first hundred, the first high overall, the first championship. Those are always the hardest ones. And, and if you don't have one yet you gotta go back to what you have done. If you haven't broke a hundred, but you're 75 straight, you have to go back to. Well, I broke a 25. That's so.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So I can break a 25 here. It's not a hundred, it's a 20. Don't worry about hundreds. Yeah, don't go back to what you've done and duplicate that.

[B]

That's what I, I tell people all the time that. And they, and they kind of look at you. And I said, okay, you can break it down into fives then. Yeah, I said, folks, break it down to simplify. Whatever's the simplest for you. Okay. If you go, God, bring it into 25s, that you know. Okay, you know. Okay, well break it down into fives.

[C]

I, you probably broke a 5 on every post.

[B]

You probably have, you know, make it simple. If you can simplify it, you're doing good.

[A]

Trust me. Yeah.

[C]

Yep. Yeah. Tish, Tish is working on her doubles right now and you know, as she's going through and kind of learning how she wants to shoot every post. Yeah. I've, I've told her, I'm like, hey, you've broke a 10 on every post. So it's there. You just got to put it all together into the package, you know. Now bring it.

[B]

Working on her doubles, does that include making sure she's up in the morning or.

[C]

She was on the, she was on the range 10 o' clock today, so.

[B]

10 o' clock all night, didn't she? No girl stayed up all night.

[C]

No, she's, she's, she is preparing for the season. She's looking forward to the season. So. She is. She's coming in hot.

[A]

That was the longest quick question ever, but I think it was worth it.

[C]

Sorry, that, that was supposed to go rapid fire mode and we, but these are good questions.

[A]

We went quarter episode on that one.

[C]

Okay, next question coming in. All right.

[A]

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[B]

Listen, all I got silver right now. I won't bring the gold out for

[A]

Zach, but you know, I always want to get that. Gold.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

That's right. Thanks for all the support.

[A]

You know, Rick, when you're riding around, your air conditioning and your nice can am and I'm walking, I'm thinking to myself, where do I get one of these things?

[B]

At Big red motorsports, that's where you get one. George or Jason Lee, they'll take care of you, Zach.

[A]

I mean, I need one. I'm tired of riding on the back of that cooler. I want to sit inside that cab and roll around in style. I mean, my face is on the back, but help me out.

[B]

Listen, I'm gonna move your face to the bumper is where it's gonna get moved for the new one, okay? All you need is a little quiche and we can take care of you. But listen, bigredmotorsports.com thanks Jason and George Lee and big red motorsports for all the support. They'll take care of you folks. And it's free delivery.

[A]

You know, Rick, I just love having the peace of mind and knowing that if I'm traveling or I'm flying, something happens, I can get my winig and my craig off replaced quickly and easily without costing me a bunch of money.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. The gun and trophy insurance, it's the best out there to ensure your guns, sure. Your trophy, animals, everything.

[A]

Thank you to the whole Cushman family for supporting the show and everything they do for trap shooting.

[B]

Absolutely. Get a hold of Cole cushman and he'll get you set up.

[A]

You know, Rick, I. I know you had a lot of involvement with. With them since the beginning, since they started. But I really love the way that the shot tracker, you know, catches the doubles from shot to shot with the looping. You know, tell the folks what they need to know about that system.

[B]

It's the best system out there. It's like having a coach on the end of your barrel, like we say, but going especially in doubles, from first shot to second shot. You can see it on the graph. You can see it on video.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, if you talk about that j hook with sha Holly and all them, I mean, it'll literally show that loop, and I think that's really, really powerful if you're doing it. They've supported the show since the beginning. They love trap shooting. They're great people. Give them a shot, folks. They make a great product.

[B]

Take game technologies.

[C]

Bradley Mayberry. Brad Mayberry sp.

[A]

I know that guy. He's been our show.

[C]

Yeah, Friend of the show.

[B]

Hey, the new folks, I don't know if you heard it or not, but Brad Mayberry did win a Craig off at the Jack cup.

[C]

That's right.

[B]

That's right.

[C]

He did. Yeah. Congratulations, Brad.

[A]

Yeah, he rolled in there and took their jewelry.

[C]

That's awesome, man. Well, Brad writes in, it's not a shooting, but it is a shooting related question here. Traveling to shoots in a camper. Any do's and do nots. Any tips for the new camper owner? Sounds like Brad's got himself a new Craig off in a new camper.

[B]

Well, listen, I want to answer this first, just because, you know, Zach's like, oh, great. This is so this could be a little bit about Zach, you know. Oh, yeah. You know, make sure that Justin debris is a shoot. Right, Zach? I mean, absolutely. Yes.

[A]

That guy, he's like. He's like my handyman. I've had blown out, blown out fuses. I'm like, justin, this power won't gonna.

[B]

Has it.

[A]

You got a fuse out. I'm like, I don't know where the damn fuses are. I'm a financial advisor.

[B]

You remember when you burned up the. The jacks? I'm like, zach, there's a fuse in here. There's no fuse in there. And I pull it out and it's fried. But, you know. Yeah. So we're gonna have to nickname Justin the handyman. That's.

[A]

That's exact. Handyman Justin. Justin has helped me out of a lot of binds.

[C]

Now.

[A]

Now I can tell you what to put in the rv, but once we get it there, like, there there. I've had some issues before, folks. You know what? It's all fun. We got good friends.

[B]

One of the things, you know what the. The greatest thing about having an rv, There, there's. There's, you know, two times. It's great about when you buy it, when you sell it, you know, and I've been through a few of them, as we all have, but it is great. It's convenience. Having a camper at the shoots is convenience. I've heard people talk about, well, that didn't save me no money. I'm not. I'm getting rid of my camper. I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna do that. It's not about saving you money, in all honesty. It's about having about rest to go back and relax. Now, we're fortunate, like the gram. We have the trap talk building. So we're in there doing stuff, but if there's a time we need to relax, we do have, you know, the back area that we can shut off and shut the door and, and we're just gonna go chill for 20 minutes, 30 minutes, maybe an hour. And that's the greatest thing about having a camper to shoot is you can go back and relax. Now, Zach and I, we're always on the go a lot, but still, it's. It's home. You can go back, you got your stuff there, your bed, you know, pillows, drinks, whatever, that you can relax now. It is an expense, especially right now with the price of fuel, you know, going on. But I think it outweighs the pros on having an RV versus not having an RV are higher than the cons.

[A]

Oh, wait, wait. If you could do it, I mean, yes, you're not going to save a ton of money on the deal, but I think you're going to be more rested, you're going to have more stuff there. You get to sleep in the same bed every night. My big thing, my, like, number one tip is make sure your bed is super comfortable and make sure you bring, like, the pillow that you love to sleep in. And I also have. Have.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Yes. Also have a fan. Like, I have, like, I like a fan in the bedroom.

[B]

That's why you need a fan.

[A]

It's hot in there, man. I, I, that's the grand. I got both ACs blowing. I got an extra fan, but, you know, pack the things that you know you're going to use. And one thing that's been really helpful for me is prepping some meals in advance. Yeah. So like a tray of lasagna or a tray of enchiladas or a tray of something that you could put in the freezer.

[C]

You're. And then you're prepping those.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Mama nanini makes great food. That is for sure.

[A]

Hey, you know, John's hating right now, but the last time I had a ribeye from him, it was, it was, it was a paper thin ribeye. And I said, what kind of. That was kind of ribeyes.

[C]

It wasn't a ribeye. It was carne asada.

[A]

Yeah, that's what he had to call it.

[B]

That's the Nevada ribeye is what that.

[A]

Listen, folks, listen, folks. Do not ever take food advice from a white man that's as skinny as John. Listen, he can show you avocados, eggs, keto, thin cuts.

[C]

They were thin cuts from Costco.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

I can actually carne asada.

[A]

I can actually cook. So, yes, mom has made some stuff, but I take pride in cooking cereals

[B]

and having them ready and correct on this is. Yes, we do you know, you know, myself, Zach, John, Dave Mansell, you know, Justin, A bunch of us, we cook out a lot together.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And you know, have big meals and stuff and, and is nice relaxing, you know, you know, sometimes we, we partake in a few adult beverages and, you

[C]

know, your overall, your overall experience is better. You, you can rest between events. You have somewhere to go if you need to get away. You have your food, you have the things that you like, Right.

[A]

Your favorite, Glenn, Karen, your favorite bottle of whiskey. Some food in the fridge. Lots of water. Lots and lots of water. Gatorades. Whatever you want for.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. You have to have it. Your stuff. Yeah.

[B]

John. And as we know, and if we don't have food, then we always know it's Team Nanini night.

[C]

Team Nanini night. That's exactly. But I will, I will say this. If, if Brad is asking for any technicals, if you talk about traveling around this country and going to these gun clubs, I will tell you a couple of things that will save your life. Number one, you need the rv. Power cord, extension cable. Sometimes where you have to park and set up that power thing is very far away.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Also bring about 4 or 5 of your sewer, you know, hoses. Yeah. That thing is, you know, 20 miles away for some strange reason.

[A]

Fresh water hoses, extra sewage hoses, all that.

[C]

Yeah. All your hookup type stuff. Sometimes that stuff like in Iowa and stuff in. Or Illinois. It's just, it can be far away like from how you have to set your RV up. So there's a couple of things, I think if you're going to gun clubs, it's not like your RV park where everything is so regimented. Some of these clubs have just kind of put the RVs where they can.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

So you having some extensions is nice. And then the standard stuff, you want to have a backup of everything because you're driving a house down the road and it's basically experiencing an earthquake every time you take it on the road. So it's just you, you know, you got to put the thing back together for Zach.

[B]

It's extra fuses and fuses.

[A]

Yeah, I bring fuses.

[B]

Yeah, you do need all the, the little essential stuff. And you know, you know, here's something. Plugs that go from 50amp to 30amp if you got a 50amp.

[C]

Because all that good RV stuff.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, there's all sorts of different.

[A]

Here's something. And I got to give a shout out to my dad for this because I wouldn't have done it as a financial advisor. But he did it for me. He went to Home Depot, and he got me, like, this bag, like a. Like a work bag. And he put screwdrivers, duct tape, WD40, like, all, you know, all of the kind of things that you would need. Wrenches, pliers. Now, I don't know how to use a lot of it, but you have it.

[B]

That's how you have a handyman. Zach, you know what? Justin's gonna hear this, and he's going to send you an invoice. I'm gonna have to text invoice Zach, your handyman services.

[A]

The invoices are long around Justin, but. But, yeah, I'm being funny because I actually. Dad showed me how to do a lot of this when I was my kid, but. But some of the things in an rv, they're not intuitive. Like, you have to, like, figure that out. And really, one thing that I will say is helpful, especially if you're using the septic. Get those little tabs to make it smell good. Because I've not used those. Unique.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like throw those. And rubber gloves.

[B]

Have rubber.

[A]

Rubber gloves like that don't have to make it nice.

[B]

The other thing with having an RV is be respectful when you use other people's bathrooms. Don't flood their RV like Rich Bowler and Zach did to just.

[C]

Great story. Great classic story.

[A]

That was not me. I only fixed that situation. But.

[B]

But I did not pull on the

[C]

black water, folks, if you want to hear this story, go watch Rich Bullard's episode from when we were at the grand last year. Great episode. Look it up on YouTube. This is a great story.

[A]

You should splice it in right here, John. Like, just splice that.

[C]

I should.

[B]

I should. Okay.

[C]

All right, we'll see. We'll see how I'm feeling.

[D]

That we get done.

[B]

We.

[D]

He beats. And I threw that shell, and I was like. As it's in the air, and I fired it pretty much. I was thinking, his stock.

[A]

You got moved.

[D]

I was thinking, oh, don't hit the stock. You know, I didn't want. You know, don't hit the.

[B]

He wrecked people's stuff. He wrecked Justin debris trailer, flushed the toilet. I get a call. I'm not even at the shoot. I get a call, and from Brad Gray, and he's like, hey, Justin's camper's flooded.

[A]

We're. We're. We're at Stockdale Gun Clubs in Iowa. And I gotta tell the story because we're in Stockdale. Let's start. Rich says, I gotta pee. And Justin.

[B]

Yeah. Go back there. And pee.

[A]

Well, apparently at the time, Justin had a little hitch in that. In that fish flush on that thing where when you push it down, you had to push it back up because it was locking. That was a failure of the.

[D]

Nobody told me it wasn't.

[B]

Like you would look down and know it's open.

[D]

You know, you flush the toilet, you think it's going to.

[B]

Folks. So everybody out there. Rich has never owned a camper, and I never will. He almost did own the camper.

[D]

I almost had to buy it.

[B]

So this happens. It floods. And so Brad Greg calls me, and I said, well, Brad, I know the code here. Run in. And he goes, no, no, no, no, no. I don't want the code. He goes, I shut the water off of the spigot. He goes, but we've been out here 10 minutes, and it's still running out the front of Justin's fifth wheel.

[A]

This thing's flooded like a FEMA trailer, and it's coming out the front, and it's just flowing. And we're at dinner, and Justin debris is a shade of red strawberry that I got steam. I don't know what you do.

[D]

Well, you.

[A]

Yeah, you don't know what to do. But Justin says, you just bought an rv. Now, I will give it to him. The Italian, the Genovese, are known for working deals in Italy. Genovese. Italians. He says, hey, I'm not paying full price for a flooded trail. I did.

[D]

I did. I said, hey, I. You know, I said. I said, hey, come on, one. This thing's been flooded. I'll give you. I'll buy it, but I'm not gonna pay for it. I said, zach, can you pull this thing out of here?

[B]

He goes, yeah.

[D]

Oh, well, I'll get it, but I'm not paying the full rent.

[B]

Hey, listen, folks. They had been having a few cocktails that night.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

And Justin was feeling good. And I said, you guys are lucky. If he wasn't feeling good, both of you would be a block.

[D]

I felt so bad. I felt so bad.

[B]

I said to Justin, I said, what are you doing? And he called me. He goes, I'm telling you these. And I can't say the words exactly used on these two mongols, but it

[A]

was not very nice. It wasn't my fault.

[B]

You were an accomplice.

[A]

And the worst part of it is we had to pull the drainage plug. And there's all kinds of water down there from the flooding black water.

[B]

And Rich would not get down there.

[A]

Looks at me and he says, no, I know. I'm not pulling that thing. And he looks right at Rich, he says, I'm not pulling it. And Rich looks at me and I look at him and he says, I don't want to pull it. I said, I guess I'm pulling it.

[B]

And then, folks, if you. If you do enough good business with Zach, he'll do the dirty work.

[A]

And then they go real dirty.

[D]

Now here's the deal. Nobody knows this. There was a deal cut after he did that, and he was retching underneath the Trevis. It was pretty bad. We. We put a hose. We drained the gray or the black

[A]

water.

[D]

This was the bad stuff. This was bad. But the, the part that no one knows about. When we're driving back to the airport, he says, you owe me one. And he says to me, he says, when we're in a shoot off together, I don't care if it's for the Grand American Handicap Championship, the Clay Target Championship, for a ring. If I turn to you and I tell you put two in the ground, you're forfeiting, you put them in the dirt. And I. I agreed to it. I agreed to it, but not for a ring.

[B]

Not for a ring.

[D]

Not for a ring. I said, I'll do. I'll. I'll bury you know what we'll do for a satellite Grand Friday Handicap again?

[A]

And I'll just call that one you don't have.

[D]

I'll do it for that. I'll do it for that. A ring. A ring. You're on your own.

[A]

I just love the way they're covering all the shoots across the country, the content, the pictures, what they're doing online, what they're doing on Facebook, Instagram. What do you think?

[B]

Yeah. Traption usa, it's a great magazine. They are the official magazine of our podcast, and we are the official podcast of Traption usa. So we really appreciate it.

[A]

That's really cool. And what they got is a deal right now. If you put Trap Talk P in for the print version and Trap Talk D for the digital version, it's 19.99 for the print and $9.99 for the digital for one year, you're not going to find a better deal. So subscribe today. You won't regret it.

[B]

Absolutely. Thank you for all the support.

[A]

You know, Ricky, I know you used it on your barrels, but you even know what RGS stands for?

[B]

No, Zach, what does it stand for?

[A]

Really good.

[B]

Well, that is true. It is good stuff, folks. I use it to clean my barrels and it does make them shine.

[A]

Only problem is I wear white T shirts when I clean my barrels and I get them all messy, so I got to be better at that. But it gets all the plastic, all the gunk out. Give them a try, folks. They're great.

[B]

That's right. Give RGS a try. We appreciate all the support. Hey, Zach, have you been out to 73 Pointers Ranch lately?

[A]

You know I have. Rick and Carla Burke have been great. I normally hunt pheasants and chucker down there, but now they got a brand new sporting clays facility and it is top notch. I shot it the other day, absolutely loved it. And if you guys haven't, you need to go give it a checkout.

[B]

We'll all have to come out and do a little hunting and we'll shoot

[A]

some sporty clays then 45 minutes from St. Louis Airport. Come see it if you haven't. Guys.

[C]

Check them out, folks. If it cuts to that story, you know, I was having a good day. All right, moving on here. Brad, great question. We love giving out some helpful tips to everybody. All right, coming in, Mike Werner says, who do I call for private lessons for my daughter? Well, this is easy. Just go to RM RM Shooting Clinics. Richard Marshall Jr. His number and his email address are right on his website. And give Ricky a call. Moving on. Mark Yuri says how expensive is it to travel? Depends on where you're going, Mark. All right, moving on. Patrick Reed. Why do I shoot better at the 22 yard line than the 16 yard line?

[A]

From, from a geometry standpoint, the angle you have less angle move as you move back. So, you know, I don't know where he's holding the gun, but let's just say his constant is on the house. Like me and Ricky. Well, there's more gun move at the 16 yard line from point A to point B than there is at the 22 yard line. Okay, so if he's not really good at making these long, drawn out moves, well, then as he gets a little bit of distance, it might perceive easier. Also, the angles look less severe as you move back a little bit. The problem and the reason why people don't just massacre the 27 yard line, even though the angles look smaller and the move is less, is because it's so damn far away. So where you get into that 22, 23, 21. I mean, I've seen guys just roast it there because their patterns are opening up. They've got more time to make a move on the bird. It requires less of a move. I mean, I used to love the 21 yard, like 20 and 21 yard line. Whenever we had those sliders, I was like, I'm in on that. Because you, you have a little bit more time and you don't have to rush as much as you do in singles with that gun move. I mean you've got a little teeny move. So that's, that's what I would say.

[B]

Yeah, I agree. 100.

[C]

I think I've seen people do that too that they, they're, they're not respecting the 16 yard line. They kind of like it's an afterthought.

[A]

Like a Rodney Dangerfield. No respect.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. The 16 yard line gets no respect. People just walk up there, they're relaxed, they're, they're late, you know, they're not taking it. You have to respect your enemy, folks. If you want to bust big scores in singles. The reason they make you shoot so many of them is because you got to keep in it.

[A]

Right?

[C]

It seems easy, right? Yeah. Where you have to finish. Yeah, you have to finish. Respect your enemy.

[B]

Fact.

[C]

All right, Patrick, Respect your enemy when you get up there to the 16 yard line. All right. All right, moving on here. Mike McGee, my son is going to Vernal to shoot the Western Grand. What is the best times to shoot and choke? Selection for all three disciplines. Also can you come to my house and clean it and do all of my bookkeeping and tell me everything of how I need to live my life? I added that last part on there, guys. Just kidding, Mike. That was a joke. All right, so Mike is saying his son's going to Vernal. Let's start with this because this is probably something people, if you know, if you're not really thinking about it, maybe you haven't considered it. The squatting times, right? There's three events that day. There's two events that day. What is your guys approach to squatting when you come into these events, these multi day events? What, what's your kind of framework?

[B]

That's classified information and

[A]

Zach's about to tell it.

[B]

That goes single. No, Zach's Italian. He won't sing at all.

[C]

Zach won't snitch on the, on the secret plan.

[A]

Some people that you like to shoot with and if you can get with them, get wherever they are. Unfortunately with the squatting and pre squatting nowadays, I mean unless you're first to the squad on pre squatted right when it opens, you're probably not going to get like perfect squads, perfect times.

[B]

And there's really, there's really no perfect squads. I personally for me, when I squat us. And Zach knows this, and Zach does the same thing is we. We squad late in the morning. Not usually last out, but late and then first out on the second event. If it's a two event shoot. If it's a three event a day, it's late, first out, first out. Reason why you shoot, then you shoot. And on a two event, you're done. So you're. You're not wasting all that energy running. Because we do a lot of other stuff besides just shoot at the shoots, you know.

[A]

Yeah. And. And I think that's as much of the reason why we're doing this, because we got to get back to the studio. We got to do this, we got to do that. But there's still two, three, four hours of good light after that.

[B]

Oh, absolutely.

[A]

For. For me, I mean, I think it comes down to, you know, find the guys that you could shoot with and get where you can get as far as, you know. He asked about choke tube. Is this another twofer? Is this a 2?

[C]

He did slide a 2 for in US.

[B]

He threw in. He threw in. Best times to shoot and choke selection for all three distance. But he did say, love your podcast. Sure. Learned a lot from it.

[A]

All right, he gets it. He gets a two for him.

[C]

He gets a two for.

[B]

We discussed it on multiple. But, you know, I would say, honestly, I mod full for singles, you know, more experiencers. Now I will throw this in there real quick. So I did get a call from Mike Voightman, which is Dagan's father. Great family folks. If anybody doesn't know the Voightmans, they're

[A]

salt to the earth.

[B]

But Mike said he heard some stuff at a gun club about. I said, you know, full choke, new shooter. No, what I say with a new shooter is throw a full choke in and practice to learn where you're gun shooting. But it's okay if you're shooting, you know, that mod. I'm on the fence on the 20,000th, 25 on up, I think is what you should do, because you get a mod, it gets too open sometimes, but that's what you want for singles, you know, and handicap the. The basically IMOD full and then doubles. 20 thousands, 30 thousands. That's.

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Yeah, I would. I would commit. If you're gonna put an over under out and say, learn to shoot doubles 20 thousands, 30 thousands, don't change it. Regardless of your skill level. Get after. And then. And then if you're newer in the singles, there's no. Nothing that says you can't break a target with a modified at the 16 yard line, you'll break them. The problem is is you're not really teaching yourself the fundamentals of where to be at on a bird. So it's one of those things where do you want long term success or do you want maybe a short term potential advantage? If you're going in, you're saying, hey, I'm going to go and I want to try to win and I'm just going to try to break the target. Okay, throw modified in and break it. Modified. Improve. Modified. Light. Improved. Modified somewhere in that zone 16 yard line. But if you're saying I want to figure out how to hit these and go for the centers, well then why wouldn't you train with something harder than what you shoot? And for me, for me and for Ricky, once you get to a certain point, you start liking that look of that smoke ball and you just leave it in. You just start running it because you

[B]

know where your gun shooting and you, you have a disc that's this big around and your patterns 30 inches, why not? And, and that's the difference is you're shooting a mod. A lot of people throw a mod in and the difference, what we, we don't see from a top shooter to a new shooter is a new shooter is riding that target out there more. So they got this mod in there. They're shoot 15 yards further out than what I would shoot a target. So. And then they're like, well, but I got this big pattern, you know. So I say just honestly start with a mod if you want. See it, shoot it, react to it, you're gonna break it but move up. You know, there's nothing that you have to shoot a full and that's kind of the, the, the thing. That's why Mike was like are you. And I said not on new shooters and we talked about this for a while, you know, on the phone and I appreciate Mike, you know, Voitman bringing that to my attention because that is something we don't want. You know, you don't have to throw a full and to shoot the competitions, but shooting in practice. I would recommend it to learn to where you're. Once you figure out where your gun shooting then you learn to where the center of that pattern is.

[A]

I've talked to a lot of great single shooters and that actually do change chokes back and forth and I've even shot them and you know I've, I've thrown in improve modified and I think you get some really awesome breaks at 16 yard line with improved, modified. So.

[B]

So, well, you're only 5,000ths less.

[A]

So you're talking hairs here. 5,000ths one way or the other. I mean, these are small adjustments. And I'm sticking with the full. Yeah, Ricky's.

[B]

Ricky's.

[A]

Ricky knows what he's doing here.

[C]

That's to change out.

[B]

Right.

[C]

Rick Lester, did you just. You're in the full.

[B]

That's right.

[C]

Working, you know.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

Less. Less, I think, because then you got guys who get out there on the line and they're like, oh, darn, I forgot to change the choke. And now they're just thinking, oh, I forgot to change.

[B]

Yeah, they're thinking about the choke.

[A]

But we talked about this with, with, with Robert height. Like all fools are not created equal. Like if you have full fixed barrels from 1960s guns versus now choke tube guns versus, you know, Wilkinson done. I mean, everything's actually patterning different. I would tell you you have to shoot the target and see what it does to the bird. If you don't ever hit one and smoke one, then you're probably under choked. Like you should be able to smoke a target at whatever yard line you're at. Otherwise you're. You're not tight enough, folks.

[C]

Yep. I think that. I think that is a great. And he may be saying, because he's coming out to Vernal. Mike's question might have included where he's coming from. Like, I don't.

[B]

Are you guys changing jokes from coast to coast? I leave. Okay.

[C]

You just leave the. That's the easiest thing. And that. Zach, that's kind of what Robert was saying. Yeah. Maybe if you are going out to the Midwest or something. Yeah. Maybe you would come up a little bit and choke up a little bit. And then on the squatting thing, just like watching great shooters shoot, I would say to you, Mike, get on S.O.S. clay's pre squad and just look where all the great shooters are squatting. It's very easy to see the framework that they're trying to do. They don't want to be up first thing in the morning. They want let the sun come up. They want to have some time in the morning to get ready to have good light. Yep. And have good light.

[A]

So now some gun clubs, some gun clubs, they have good light in the morning. I've shot first out. Ricky shot first out at Tucson. I don't think it's that bad. I mean, we've shot handicap on Sunday.

[B]

I don't like to do it when we're doing stuff at night.

[A]

So when we're doing late nights, it, it does, it's not the funnest, but some of the best scores that I've had in overalls is when, you know, it was back when Bill Martin was pulling squads and it was just the early squads and I was like, okay, I'm getting on squad B over here. And it was first out or second out in the morning. And honestly the cool thing about that is you're really fresh in the morning. So if you're the kind of person that gets tired later in the day and you want to shoot early, I mean there, there's no problem with it. It's all, it's preference.

[C]

What's going to work for you?

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Yeah, exactly.

[C]

You have to find what's working for you at these tournaments and you know, come in with a plan, you know, and work, work your plan and, and have some, some intention to it. So. But hey, Mike, we really appreciate that question. All right, we're going to move into the next one here. Jack Jackson Schmidt on Facebook says, what does your pre practice slash tournament routine look like? Certain drinks or food stretches, extra mounts, voodoo rituals. What helps you guys get 100% ready? Note this show is an incredible source of information for all things trap shooting. Exclamation point. You guys are helping shooters across the globe. Exclamation point. Jackson, thank you very much. We appreciate the question.

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We appreciate you.

[B]

We do.

[C]

Guys, I, if I could break this one down too, because I'm always curious about this too. There's that time leading into the season. You're about to be on the road, you're about to be shooting a lot, right? You've been doing this for many, many, many years. Is there anything you're consciously doing to kind of get ready for the season? And then I think once we're at the tournaments, are there things you're avoiding or things you're making sure you're doing also like any of those type of things. So take us into that kind of mindset of leading into the season. All the things you're preparing.

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Good, Zach?

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Well, when I'm at a shoot, I drink water. Here's a 1 gallon, I just finished it for the day and I drink one of these every day, pretty much give or take going in the shooting season. I mean now in the wintertime it's hard to get that much water in. But when it comes to the summer, I have to start press really pressing hydration because you get dehydrated out there. I think that's the most important thing.

[C]

And I Put anything in that water.

[A]

Zach, are you doing any electrolytes or Dr. Electrolytes now? I'm using an electrolyte. I don't know the name of it, but I got it at supplement Superstore. It's just this little powder and you throw it. It's like lemon lime. It's zero calorie. And it just gives you some vitamins and some magnesium and some electrolytes. And I feel like it helps with the absorption. It's the same like a Gatorade without the sugar. I really don't like the sugary products like the Gatorades or the Powerades because they create a cat crash on the back end. So, like, for me, I'll hit a Powerade and I'll feel good and then somewhere in that hundred, I'll feel the sluggish of that sugar high kind of coming down until you just keep drinking it.

[B]

You don't feel the sluggish.

[A]

That's the secret, right? Just keep pound, keep pounding that sugar.

[B]

But duh.

[A]

So, so for me, like, my number one tip is, is hydration into the shooting season because I cannot.

[C]

You should tell them this, right, Zach. You cannot hydrate the morning of the Grand American and think that you're right. You have, right? You have to get ahead of it.

[A]

You have to get ahead of it. You have to start getting your body used to, you know, pushing a lot of water and, and going through those motions or just get an IV every day, I guess.

[C]

Right, Rick?

[B]

Yeah, I wouldn't recommend that either. But yeah, it is just, you know, they're eating healthy, you know, not eating a huge, you know, meal in the morning, but enough, you know, that's one of the biggest things, you know, eating the, the three meals a day, little snacks, throw, you know, I'll have, you know, a protein bar or something in my bag or in my buggy at the shoots. You know, we always have coolers, you know, with, with water in them and such. So we are hydrated, you know, and, and that is the, the biggest thing as far as, you know, extra mounts and stuff. I mean, we shoot so much that, you know, I mean, we're shooting year round, so I don't really do anything different. You know, the practice stuff. My practice is when I go shoot sporting or skeet leagues. Yeah, stuff like that.

[C]

Get that, get the eyes moving, get the, you know, focusing.

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It's hard because they're asking us a question when we're shooting X amount of weeks a year, like, we're shooting all the time. So like for us. Yeah, it's not that, but if I was in a position, like I remember the first couple years, I was coming back to the ATA out of college, where I didn't have the money, and I went to the Missouri State shoot and I went to the grand, and when I had those two shoots and only those two shoots, I was doing excessive gun mounts for a month going into the Missouri State shoot, a month going into the Grand. I was practicing and trying things and working out because I hadn't got those rounds in. So I didn't want to just show up and shoot. But if. If you're not having a heavy shooting schedule, you need to mount the gun more. You need to, you know, work on those muscles. You need to work on shooting some practice. Good quality practice. But if you're like a Dagan Voigtman, where you're going from shoot to shoot to shoot, and he's on. Dagon is not shooting any practice between any shoots when he's in that circuit and things are good now, if there was a problem and he had to fix it, believe it. You know me, Rick, whoever, we're going to be at the practice trap, figuring it out, because if something goes haywire, oh, our eyes aren't working, our gun isn't working, our point of them, something's wrong. We'll be the first ones to go practice and figure that out. Because you're not going to figure it out in the middle of events if you've lost kind of your.

[B]

Your.

[A]

Your gusto.

[B]

Yeah, you just want to listen, set a routine. If you have a practice routine, do it now. I'm not a huge fan of practicing at every round before every event. I think you're wearing yourself out doing a lot of stuff. I see a lot of these kids doing that, and they got it in their head they need that and that. That's fine if that's what they want to do. But I believe you're using up a lot of energy that you don't need to use up. You know, we're doing that, but, yeah, just set a routine, what you want to do and live by it.

[A]

Absolutely.

[C]

Yeah. I think, you know, you bring up a good point, though, Zach. There are people who are having larger gaps in shooting.

[A]

Right.

[C]

And I'll just say it, you know, I. When I'm coming into the season, I am making sure that I am exercising. I am making sure that I'm strong. I'm. I'm doing, you know.

[D]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[B]

That.

[A]

Exercising. Settle down.

[B]

No, no, it's okay.

[C]

It's okay. But I was just gonna say, like, if you, if you have some light dumbbells or something and you're doing some lifts and kind of getting where they need to be because you haven't lifted that gun all year, then you, it's not, it's going to work in your favor. Anything you can do to make yourself healthier to come into the season, you're going to last longer, you're going to have more energy, more stamina, feel good,

[A]

you're going to shoot good. And so whatever you need to do to make yourself feel better and see better, then do that. And if you know there's certain meals that make you sluggish, don't eat those. And if you know there's certain meals that make you feel really good, eat those. Like, it's really kind of common sense when you break it down and listen to your body, but you have to know what you like and what you don't like.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And be consistent. Consistent, exactly is the key. If, if you shoot great handicap on a cheeseburger every day. Well, then eat a cheeseburger.

[C]

Eat a cheeseburger.

[A]

But if you don't, if you shoot good on a salad, then eat a salad every day. It doesn't matter.

[C]

You know what? You, you bring up a really good point though, Zach. Shoots are not a time for diets. Your, your brain needs a ton of calories to focus. So like, you should be throwing down. You need the carbs, you need the proteins, you need all that stuff when you're at competitions or you're, you're gonna lose that stamina. So I would say make sure you are eating at these competitions. Don't be one of the people out there passing out because you're gonna say, oh, I'm, I'm on my diet. I'm not gonna have any carbs. Yeah, like, you need to feed your body all the elements, the salts, the magnesium, the potassium, all that stuff.

[A]

You have to eat some steak, baby. Eat some steak.

[C]

Yeah, and the potatoes. Eat the potatoes too. All right, guys, moving on here. All right, guys, next one's coming in from fan of the show, friend of the show, Gino, always on there, commenting, watching my guys. Yep, Gina, we appreciate you. Next listener question extravaganza. Could you talk about what causes flinches? I'm flinching especially on right hand targets. Being a left handed shooter, I'm wondering if I'm losing sight of the target.

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You know, Rick, I was at the Autumn grand and the Nevada State shoot and I was just really impressed with how I could see where my squad was when I was up. Just the technology, the ability to be able to see what options I've played, if the event's paid or not. I mean, what's your experience with, with the app?

[B]

Listen, SOS Clay's app, it's the best thing out there, folks. You can see everything. It's great. You see your option payouts. You can see when you're up, you can see who's paid on your squad. Sometimes that doesn't pay on time, but it's.

[A]

I get out there. But what I really think is, is for gun clubs, it's free. Call Greg, get a hold of them. He'll set you up. He'll get you running.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And if you pay the, the premium once a year, you get free pre squatting in all the shoots. And that's the best value in trap shoot.

[B]

Absolutely. SOS clays.com hey, Rick, we got to take a second.

[A]

We got to thank Outlaw Engineering and the Freston family for supporting Trap shooting and supporting Trap Talk podcast. They've been here for us. They're great people.

[C]

You know.

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You know him real well, Rick.

[B]

Yeah, I've known Randy since 1988. R2 and the family, they're great supporter of the show coupe. Just won the Autumn grand handicap championship with a 97.

[A]

I know, I was there. I got to interview him. It was great. I was so proud of him. He's doing a great job. Hashtag, where's Coop? He's somewhere with that big buckle. He's having fun.

[B]

So that's.

[A]

You need anything engineering related, get a hold of Outlaw. They'll take great care of you. Great folks.

[B]

Folks, thanks for all the support.

[A]

Outlaw.

[C]

Now, we've tried this one with other shooters and other questions coming in. Guys, I know we don't, we won't really know what Gino's exact problem is. I think he's just looking for some baseline stuff like what could be happening.

[B]

You know, vision flinching is, is, is a lot of times caused by the vision. So I'm gonna say, you know, could be. Your whole point, could be where you're looking. All that is causing you to flinch, you know, because you're, you're, you're moving and you're losing sight of the target. That's where the, you know, or you're moving early on the call. You know, your fundamentals could be causing it. There's a multitude of things. So flinching is different. Everybody without seeing a person shoot, it's really tough to diagnose.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I mean, recoil flinches do happen, but Ricky's over a half a million shots I'm. I'm close to probably with practice and

[B]

everything that just registered.

[A]

Exactly. I mean, you're.

[B]

He's shot over a million and a half with practice.

[A]

So he's, he's shot his whole life and he's not yet a release point. Right. So, I mean, there's guys that have shot their whole careers and never needed a flinch. And I think the flinch starts just like Ricky said, more from visual problems. And where a flinch begins more times than not is when the target gets obscured by the gun somehow, some way. So if you've got a target approaching and you take that gun and you put it in the line of the bird where now you can't see it. Well, now what do you want to do? You don't want to shoot because you're like, oh crap. And then you kind of double clutch that gun. You lift your head, you jump out and everything bad happens. The, the what he said, that, that resonated with me is he said he's missing right hand birds as a left hand shooter. So what that's telling me is that his right eye is probably seeing that bird and his left eye, because he's a left hand shooter, he might be getting buried down behind that rib. Maybe as he's turning, he's pressing his head down a little bit more, he's getting obscured and behind the gun. And if the left eye can't see, it's going to cause you to either shoot with the right eye, which is wrong, or it's going to cause you to flinch. So the first thing I check with someone in a situation like that is get their comb up high enough that their dominant eye is over the rib, enough that when they're making that move over to that bird, they're not getting buried. Because if you're getting buried, you're asking for a flinch to happen. I mean, you're just, you're. I was flinching. I mean, I don't know, four or five years ago it started happening. And the only reason it happened is because my comb was too low and I couldn't figure it out for like a couple hundred shots. I'm like, man, I need a release. And I'm like, no, I need to raise the combination. And so then I raise the comb. Boom, flinch gone.

[C]

I think, I think you're given, you're giving a lot of people a lot of hope right now because a lot of them think it is this bridge, you know, that you cross and you can't come back.

[B]

Well, it's a lot of it. It is mental stuff, too. But that's why without watching someone shoot or see now, the gun fit you, you can't diagnose it.

[C]

Yeah, they could try, right, Rick? Like. Like what Zach's saying. So if. If. If you're thinking, wow, I. I'm just. I'm. Because. And you can think that, oh, I didn't see the bird right. Then you gotta start checking some mechanics here. Not maybe, oh, my God, I've mentally broken, and now I have to buy a release trigger and, you know, try some other things first. Right. So, Gino, as always, we appreciate the question.

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We love you, Gino.

[B]

Thank you, Gino.

[C]

Yeah, we appreciate you. All right, next one's coming in from Travis. Travis wrote in on our ask us traptalkpodcast.com email address. Again, if you want to send questions into these guys. Obviously, you know, keep an eye out for our Facebook posts, but you can always email us at ask usrap talk podcast dot com. This next one's coming in from Travis. He's saying, hello, I am a high school.

[B]

We.

[C]

He put this on Facebook. I just noticed. All right, Travis, we already got you on that one, buddy. All right. Hi, gentlemen. I love the podcast. My question relates to palm swell on the shotgun grip. Does palm smell increase the point ability, improves gun handling and helps increase score at the trap range? I think it does palm swell increase. So does palm swell increase point ability, improving the gun handling, and help increase scores at the trap range? Or is it just another gimmick like ported barrels, where the difference is performance negligible? Please state your pros and cons so I can make an informed decision. And please send me back a full spreadsheet of these answers so I can parse them into my database. I made that last part up. Sorry, Eddie. I had to do it. We love these questions. So. So. All right, guys. Is palm swell a real thing? I. I think I know the answer here, but I'm just gonna let you guys go ahead and take it from here.

[B]

I mean, there's only one answer, and it's simple. Yes. Why? Because your right hand or your. If you're right handed or your left hand. If your left hand is what's controlling the gun. It's what's moving it. So if. If you've got to hold it weird because you can't grip it properly, you only touch it at the bottom of your hand, the top, and. And whatever or your fingers laying weird. So, yes, the palm saw fits your hand because you want to be able to when you're holding the gun. That's why it's the best thing to do is get a custom stock made is the grip. That is what is moving the gun and controlling it. That there is no long, drawn out answer. It's yes, it works.

[A]

You and. And Ricky just said it. And that was the most. One of the most powerful statements he's ever said. You drive the gun from the back. If you're using that front hand, you are doing it wrong. Now, I've seen a hundred people shoot with that front hand. It ain't the right way to shoot. So many bad things happen when you start trying to move the gun with that front hand. The front hand is for stabilization, the back hand and the shoulder and that back area is where you're driving that gun and you're pressing into the target it. And if you don't have a good hold of it, well, then how can you expect to drive it? Well, now, custom stocks, the number one answer. But if you don't have the money for a custom stock or. And you don't have the prettiest wood in the world and you want to put some bondo on it, or you want to take some sandpaper to it, or you want to, you know, screw a piece of plywood on the bottom and sand it around. I mean, my dad. I've seen my dad make palm swells and stuff and kind of mess with it. It. If you don't care what it looks like, I don't care. It just needs to fit your hand well to where when you grab it, you're reaching into that trigger shoe and you're not too far away from the trigger and you're also not like wrapped around the trigger. Like, I hate it when I see a guy and their trigger shoe is like in the middle of down here or right. It's supposed to be right here, right? But yeah, exactly. Right in the pad is where you want it. So, you know, lining that trigger finger up based on that pub swell and having a good controlling grip and, you know, and me and Ricky both have a good controlling grip. It's not like a. I mean, it's a very firm handshake with the back of that gun when we're holding onto it. It's not like you're gonna. You're not gonna yank a gun out of Ricky's hands. I promise you that.

[B]

No.

[C]

Have you guys seen those, like, the palm swells that you can add. Because I'm thinking most factory stocks don't have a lot of palm swell to them. Right, guys? Because they're kind of trying to be universal or standard.

[B]

The Craig offs do left, right hand. Yeah. Most of them don't. I mean, you. There's ways to do it like Zach said, with a, With Bondo or, Or doing whatever. But yeah, get a palm swell that you can buy. I think Kickies makes a palm swell.

[C]

Yeah. I was just gonna say I think

[B]

you can stick, but I would wrap it with tape to, you know.

[C]

Right. Keep it.

[A]

I've even seen guys take the tennis. The tennis tape. Wrap and wrap it around and get it and to build it up to however they want it. But literally whatever you need to do to get a good hold of it, but you want to be able to get all the way around that thing and basically control the gun from the back.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

You should be able to move it perfectly with your, with the, Your dominant hand.

[A]

I can grab my shotgun from my pump swell and I can hold it with a complete outstretched arm with full control and, and hold it in my hand.

[C]

Do you think. Do you guys think when. When some people get a custom sock, do you. Because they've heard about palm sponsor, do you think they go too far? Are you seeing, like, too big of palm swells out there that takes away that control? Like, I've put my hand around some people's. Obviously, everyone's hands different size. But you know, like Krausey, like Jason Krause. Right. Like, his gun and palm swell obviously are perfectly for him. Right. And if you put like, your hand on it, Rick, you'd be like, well, there's no palm swell here. Right. Because the grip is made for him.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay, bad example. All right, Bad example. But I just remember his, his winning that I, That I tried. He had like. I was surprised at how thin the, the pistol grip part of the gun was, but the palm swell was still pretty good size. So I was just wondering, do you guys see any common mistakes people are making when they get stocks done or.

[B]

No, it's. They just gotta make sure that the, the grip is the number one thing.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Don't let it be so big that it's pushing you off the line of the gun where your hands.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, you need to be straight behind it here, not like that. And if you get too much, it kicks your hand off like this. And now you're kind of, you know, caddy wampus with your hand and your finger. You want to be Directly behind it and in line with that barrel. So everything's straight back.

[C]

Yeah, perfect. Great. Well, hey, thank you for that, Eddie. That was a really good question. Last thoughts? Any comment on him saying that porting is also one of the gimmicks in shotguns? It's all preference preference, my friend, preference. I think porting is real though. I mean, right, I mean it stops barrel jump.

[A]

Right. I mean I've, I've never had a ported barrel, but I've talked to Joey Charnego about it and he absolutely swears by it. And like, I mean I'm not like, I'm Italian, I don't know it much, but I do know if you put some holes in a barrel, it's going to relieve some gas. And if you relieve some gas, it's probably going to stop the muzzle from jumping. Now is that 10, 2%, 20%? I don't know the, the, the engineering math on that, but I can say that just like anything else, if it makes it a little bit better, like a little bit better and you add up all these things that make it a little bit better is that one target out of a thousand. I mean, I, I think there are some gimmicks in our game, but I mean I think there's a lot of things that are really, really important. And I, I, I, the reason why I don't have my barrels ported is just because I don't like the dirtiness of it. I mean, but as far as, you know, seeing what it does, I mean there's guys that absolutely swear by it and they won't shoot a gun if it's not ported.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay. Well again Eddie, we, thanks, thank you for the question. We appreciate it. All right guys, one more coming in here from Glenn from Michigan. He says I love the show. It's my main source for trap shooting education. I'm 67 and I started shooting trap two years ago at a small local club. I just joined the ATA and plan on trying my first ATA shoot this year. I looked at the Great Lakes grand and I was expecting to simply sign up and go shoot, but there are seven days and multiple events at several locations. Can you explain the process, what to expect and how to get the most out of the ATA event for a completely inexperienced first time attendee? Well, I think first of all I would just, I'll jump in here. He's picking a good shoot at a great club in Mesa in Michigan. It's a beautiful club. Right, so you're, you're on the right track already. Glenn. But yeah, it's not like your weekend big 50. This is, you know, it's just a major satellite grand. Right.

[A]

There's.

[C]

There's the whole week of shooting.

[B]

Yeah, I would say, you know, you can either go shoot the overall or if you're a new shooter, just go shoot the all around single. Shoot the weekend event, you know, Friday,

[C]

Saturday, Sunday type thing.

[B]

Saturday, Sunday, you know, you can shoot 200 singles, you know, 100 handicap, 100 doubles. There's even maybe another handicap in there if you want, if you can, you know, get away if you're new, maybe just go up and shoot the singles.

[A]

So, so in this question, he said there's potentially different places. Did he mean, like different banks? I'm thinking potentially, yeah, I think so.

[C]

Because obviously it's all at Mason, you know, at the mta, all.

[B]

It's all drawn each day sometimes, or you know what, they're up there. There's usually not a bad bank.

[C]

No, that's not in Michigan. No, it's a good spot.

[A]

It's a good place. I. I would tell you, I don't know how much he shot. If he hasn't shot all the games yet, and he's really looking to just kind of get his feet wet. He could go shoot singles. He could just go. You know, my, my dad, when he wasn't shooting a lot, he came back and he just came and he said, you know what? I'm going to shoot the grand this year. He came for the two weeks he shot only singles, and he had fun because he could break a respectable score for him and he didn't feel embarrassed and moved on. Now he's added handicap and then he added doubles, and now he's kind of shooting it all again. I think you've got to walk before you run, you know, but if you just got two days and you want to get as many targets in, then what Ricky said's the greatest idea. Go up, shoot the all around, get a little taste of everything and, you know, keep it condensed and keep it sweet. But I would not worry about the banks. I wouldn't worry about the times. I would just make sure you're early to your bank so you're not late because you're the new guy and you don't know who you're shooting with. And, you know, other than that, you. You really can't. You really can't mess it up.

[B]

Nope.

[C]

No, that's true. And that's a good thing about these ATA shoots, even the big satellite grants, you can go and just shoot what you want to shoot. It's not like a tournament setup where you need to shoot every event or you can only shine up because you're going to shoot, you know, 10 events. You can come in, pop one event, go home. I mean, that's the great thing about the ata, you know?

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Well, Glenn, we really appreciate the question, guys. We really appreciate your time. This was an amazing listener extravaganza. We've got some more questions. We might run into a part three here. I'll see what I can get out of these guys. But again, to the best fans out there in trap shooting, we really appreciate you guys supporting the show and sending in the questions. And if you want to send them in, ask [e-mail] or keep an eye out on Facebook and I'll get these guys to answer it for you.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

Thanks, everyone. We really appreciate it. Sam.