Trap Talk Episode 143: Rich Bullard Jr. — PITA Hall of Famer & Clay-Target Legend in his own Mind!

Summary

Trap Talk From The Back Fence – Episode 143:

Rich Bullard Jr. — PITA Hall of Famer & Clay-Target Legend in His Own Mind!
September 26, 2025

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Overview

In this episode, hosts Zach Nannini and Richard Marshall Jr. are joined by the legendary (and self-effacing) Rich Bullard Jr. (also known as RB08, the Pigeonator, and the Shadow) for a fun, candid, and insightful conversation, live from the 2025 Grand American. The episode covers competitive trapshooting, memorable moments from major shoots, inside jokes among friends, the storied careers of their guest and other icons, and a spirited debate on how to better promote the sport. Bullard’s recent induction into the PITA Hall of Fame is spotlighted with congratulations and reflection. Throughout, the trio shares stories, celebrates camaraderie, and banters relentlessly, offering listeners both deep knowledge and plenty of laughs.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Growth of Trap Talk & Community Impact

• Podcast’s Evolution: Rich Bullard commends Zach and Ricky on Trap Talk's progress and influence (01:51):

  “You guys have done something with this that's probably one of the most innovative things in trapshooting that's been done over the last 30 years.” – Rich Bullard

• Community Hub: They discuss the role of the podcast and events like the Grand in bringing people together and elevating the sport (02:46).

2. Inside Jokes, Banter, and Traditions

• Merch & Sayings: The hosts and guest riff on T-shirt sayings ("Mustard slips off the hot dog") and poke fun at each other's copyright claims (03:00-03:40).
• Bets and Friendly Competition: They recount memorable bets and humorous losses in the sport (“You lost like, we're talking hundreds…” 05:27) and the humility that comes with missing important targets.

3. Challenges and Triumphs from the Grand American & Other Shoots

• Recent Shoot Recaps: Detailed breakdowns of scores, shoot-off moments, and changing weather conditions at the Grand (04:50-08:58; 11:10-12:49).
• Notable Scores & Young Talent: Highlighting stand-outs like Joey, Zach, Tyler, and the emerging “red army” of Nebraska shooters (10:35-13:07).
• Memorable Shoot-off: Zach and Ricky recall marathon shoot-offs ("My longest shoot off ever" – Zach, 12:52) and the emotional roller coaster of competition.

4. The Rich Tradition of Nebraska and Western Trapshooting

• Nebraska’s Surge: The deep bench of talent from Nebraska, from juniors to veterans (10:35, 13:01).
• Gun Club History: Sage Hill Gun Club’s roots and the Western scene, stories involving family, and legendary shooters like Dan Orlich (49:56-51:31).
• Historical Perspective: The significance of milestone achievements (Orlich’s 400x400 in 1969, Phil Kiner’s feat in the 1990s, 51:46-52:15).

5. Bullard’s PITA Hall of Fame Induction

• Honors and Reflection: Zach and Ricky pay tribute to Rich's induction and discuss the legacy of contributions to the sport (27:02-29:01):

  “Now he has the honor of adding PITA Hall of Fame member inductee. So congratulations on that!” – Zach (27:28) “You guys have done something with this that's... one of the most innovative things in trapshooting.” – Rich Bullard (01:51)

• Teasing Among Friends: The induction also sparks a round of affectionate mocking:

  “He announces himself as RB08, aka the Pigeonator... but now he can add Hall of Fame member.” – Zach (27:02)

6. “Shoot Shaming” & Mental Toughness

• New Terms: Rich introduces “shoot shaming” – playful ribbing for missed targets among friends (16:06-17:26).

  "There's a new term, shoot shaming. When I miss a target and they run a trap, they shoot shame me." – Rich Bullard (16:12)

• Philosophy: The hosts reflect on resilience, learning through tough days, and the importance of small victories (08:49-09:00).

7. Sport Culture, Camaraderie & Etiquette

• Fun and Friendship: The group highlights how friendship and fun are at the heart of trapshooting, regardless of results (39:22-39:32).
• Shoot-off Etiquette: A tongue-in-cheek lesson ("never throw a shell at your competitor" – 30:22), with stories of competitive gamesmanship and legendary faux pas.

8. How to Grow and Promote the Sport

• Debate: Superstars vs. Egalitarian Squads
  • Bullard passionately suggests that major events like the Grand American should showcase the sport’s superstars in premier squads—similar to other pro sports for promotional and spectator value (55:43-57:48):

    “...ETA should be promoting like the NBA... your superstars. There should be a grandstand in one through five... It promotes our sport.” – Rich Bullard (55:43) “We should be able to say where our very best are shooting... and promote it.” – Rich (59:27)

  • Ricky acknowledges the value but appreciates the tradition and community aspect, especially shooting with family (58:06-59:06).
• System Limitations: Candid discussion of frustrations with existing pre-squad systems, bank access, and ways to make Grand American more elite and fan-friendly (61:14-62:23).

9. Legacy, Longevity, and Demographics

• Veteran Participation: Reflections on the sport’s evolving age groups, and why introducing categories like sub-vets and junior gold matter for inclusiveness and longevity (66:11-67:40).
• Staying Competitive: Older shooters share their perspective on staying sharp and the enjoyment that sustains them (65:43-67:13).

10. Memorable Anecdotes & Running Gags

• Flooded Trailer Fiasco: Hilarious recounting of Rich (accidentally) flooding a friend's fifth wheel camper, leading to late-night negotiation, laughter, and a favor-for-favor “shoot-off” deal (35:01-38:58).
• First Encounter: The story of Bullard’s first shoot-off with Ricky in Tucson—and the post-competition etiquette call (39:41-44:09).

  "You're one of them guys that talks smack and then calls and apologizes later." – Ricky to Rich (43:29)

• Body & Shoot Shaming: Ongoing gentle ribbing about scores, trophies, physical fitness, and even who gets shamed for missing targets (29:11-29:37, 70:36-70:43).

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• On Friendship and Growth:

  “You guys have gotten so much better at this…one of the most innovative things in trapshooting.” – Rich Bullard (01:51)

• On Nebraska’s Strength:

  “It’s the red damn army.” – Zach (11:16)

• On Shoot-offs:

  “My longest shoot off ever.” – Zach (12:52) “You gotta learn to get through the nerves.” – Ricky (24:13)

• On Winning and Remembrance:

  “It’s never about the trophy. It’s about the memory of it.” – Zach (24:52)

• On Hall of Fame Induction:

  “So congratulations on that…now he has the honor of adding PITA Hall of Fame member inductee.” – Zach (27:02)

• On Camaraderie:

  “At the end of the day… it’s mainly about the camaraderie.” – Ricky (70:13) “I enjoy the competition, but I like seeing the people.” – Rich (69:59)

• On Sport Promotion:

  “We should be able to say where our very best are shooting…promote it.” – Rich (59:27)

• On “Shoot-shaming:”

  “There’s a new term…shoot shaming.” – Rich (16:12)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 01:51 – Bullard praises Trap Talk’s impact
• 10:35 – The Nebraska “red army” and emerging youth
• 12:52 – Zach recalls the marathon shoot-off
• 16:06 – Introduction of “shoot shaming”
• 24:52 – Reflections on what winning really means
• 27:02 – Bullard’s Hall of Fame induction
• 35:01 – The infamous flooded trailer story
• 39:41 – Recalling the first shoot-off and “apology call”
• 55:43 – Bullard’s promotion proposal for super squads at the Grand
• 61:14 – Frustrations with pre-squadding and bank assignments
• 66:11 – Age categories and the value of sub-vets, junior gold

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Tone & Style

The episode is energetic, warm, and irreverently funny, with deep affection among the participants. The hosts and guest mix sharp insider knowledge, a willingness to poke fun at themselves and each other, and a clear love for trapshooting tradition. The atmosphere is lively, unscripted, and inviting—perfect for newcomers and seasoned fans alike.

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Conclusion

Episode 143 of Trap Talk delivers a master class in both competitive insight and authentic community. With stories that range from the hilarious to the historic, and strong opinions on how the sport can evolve, it’s an episode where heritage, humor, and hope for the future are always in focus. Rich Bullard Jr.'s Hall of Fame status is both celebrated and playfully lampooned by his friends—a testament to the unique mix of respect and ribbing that defines the best of trapshooting culture.

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For more stories, banter, and next-level trapshooting talk, tune in next Friday—and show your support for the show and the sport!

Transcript

[A]

Welcome back, Trap Talk listeners. I'm your host, Zach Danini. We are live at the 2025 Grand American Building 106. Make sure to stop by and say hi next year when you're here to see us. I've got my co host, Richard Marshall Jr. The one and only. And we've got the infamous, infamous Rich Bullard, aka RB08, aka the Pigeonator, aka the Shadow.

[B]

We'll get to that later story.

[A]

Get to the Shadow later. But, but, but. Welcome to the show again, Rich. It's been a pleasure. We had you on a while ago when we were. We were new to Trap Talk and now look at.

[C]

Look at where we needed filler material back then. We need filler material again.

[B]

Here I am.

[A]

Welcome to season three of Trap Talk.

[C]

Brought to you by Craig off the choice of champions.

[A]

All right, folks, we got to take a quick second and give a huge shout out to our title sponsor, Kragh Off. Me and Ricky. Bullshit. And we both love them.

[C]

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[A]

Yeah, I mean, Ricky's got hundreds and hundreds of hundreds with his. I mean, I've got a few hundreds, but. But I'm always working to get a little bit better and they definitely help me, that's for sure. So on top of that, we also got to thank winning. I'm wearing the shirt today. Love this shirt. If you're down at the grand, pick one up.

[C]

Yeah, winning. Like I said, Zach, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds with my winning stock. You know, get a hold of Bobby, Luke, Bill, get an appointment set up. They will make you a better shooter.

[A]

With that winning stock. Of course. Yeah. The Grand's the great place to do it. Give them a call, get on their book. It's worth your time.

[C]

Just remember, winners shoot winnings.

[A]

With that being said, let's get back to the show.

[B]

We were just. You guys were. I think I was like the second or third episode.

[C]

You were.

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You were in the first 10 or 15.

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Don't put yourself up on the pedestal. Come on.

[B]

I laugh. You guys have gotten so much better at this. You're so much smoother. You've probably lost half a body and I'm so proud of you. A sub junior from California and I, I am, I am so happy for you guys. As far as how this has taken off, we appreciate the. You know, I was telling John earlier, you guys have done something with this that's probably one of the most innovative things in trap Shooting that's been done over the last 30 years that I've seen. I put you in the category sos, the shoot program for cashiering. And you guys, it's. It's. And I laugh. The people that come through the door, you can see we're here at the grand, and people coming in, buying your goods and everything else and wanting to talk to you guys, it's. This is good for the game. We needed something like this.

[C]

Well, we appreciate that. We know you've been a huge supporter of us and stuff and.

[A]

Well, yeah.

[B]

With that, though, I want to bring up one. Oh, yeah, here we go. Okay. There's some green shirts over there with the yellow stain on them.

[C]

Yeah, we didn't. We don't have many left.

[B]

Mustard slips off the hot dog that you guys. I didn't. It was your saying. It was my saying. Oh, you just happen to have one right here. Right here. And I've got to tell you, I have a 2x.

[C]

So I don't know if this is better enough to go around Rich's head.

[B]

But I've never seen any compensation for this. Here's my compensation.

[C]

Let the attorneys know.

[A]

You get to keep that to go on your hot girl walks.

[B]

Every copyright issue that I've been paid in full.

[C]

Yeah. Painful.

[B]

You know, there's a couple of other ones that are being used now that.

[C]

And what would that be?

[B]

Well, there's one I came up with, and it kind of slipped through. At Las Vegas, you asked me what I was doing out cleaning up the field. Yeah, you were giving lessons, and I was practicing next to you. Yeah, yeah, we were shooting. And he said, richard, you're picking up. Pick up those shotguns. Pick up those ammo that you took videos. And I turned around and I said, hey. You said, why aren't you doing. Why aren't you cleaning your field up? I said, well, my mother told me I was too lazy to work and too nervous to steal, so I sell insurance. I turned that around, and I said, ricky Marshall's mother said he was too lazy to work and too nervous to steal, so he shoots trash. And that one should be.

[C]

Nah.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[C]

We weren't. We're gonna do. Maybe. We'll see. We might have something released at Las Vegas. We can get it done. Couldn't get done in time. Where we're gonna have a picture of Zach on a shirt, and it's gonna say, me shoot. Me see target. Me shoot.

[B]

He's a mongo.

[A]

Hey, keep it.

[C]

The mongo.

[B]

Keep it simple, folks.

[A]

You don't have to complicate the game.

[B]

After. After that score today, he ain't gonna make the shirt. Oh, that was cold blooded. Cold blooded.

[C]

Oh, Zach, was this a bad day? This is day two, by the way, of the prelims at the Grand American.

[A]

It wasn't. It wasn't a horrible day. But you know what? I did not shoot my best handicap ever. But it was bouncing and chopping around today.

[C]

Today's handicap was sporty.

[A]

Yeah.

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The lighting was.

[B]

Was difficult. And I think these doubles were. Yes, these doubles. If there's. I've got the. I made a bet with your son, and I think. Did you get in on it?

[A]

I said when we walked off the line, Joey was gonna have a loaner. Now, I don't know if it's done yet.

[B]

I said, there's gonna be six and everybody.

[A]

No chance. I said three times.

[B]

I lost. I'm gonna lose a little bit of money.

[C]

You. You know, last time you bet on this deal, a singles deal, I remember you lost like, we're talking hundreds.

[B]

Figures was on the. That was on the champion. Champions.

[C]

You want to take that bet this year, Rich? No, I'll give you.

[B]

I shut 4 or 500 straight and these guys are betting me.

[C]

You know, they're.

[B]

Remember that? I said.

[A]

I remember.

[B]

Well, I was probably about.

[A]

You were a little deep at winning that night.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I was trying to tell you.

[B]

Hey. I was telling them how good I used to be, and they said, how good are you now? And I. Yeah, that cost me. That was just a thousand. I couldn't figure out why everybody was ponying up money. And it. I lost.

[A]

You know what honestly to take. If anybody take a bet and say, Hey, 100 straight in singles, I mean, that's not a bad bet.

[C]

No, I mean.

[B]

I mean, it.

[C]

You bet it.

[B]

You take it.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

I mean, a thousand bucks on 100.

[C]

Straight and singles tomorrow.

[B]

You want in, you do it.

[A]

I do it.

[B]

I mean, what about these duck to. Today? I bet I would have bet on you guys today in the doubles.

[C]

Well, I broke 99 and I missed that first bird, which I very rarely do. And it. And I. It looked good when I pulled the trigger. And I was like, whoa. Well, Tyler goes, dad. It. It came out and jumped straight up. We had some funky target. So for Joey to break a hundred.

[B]

It was a good 100. We stood right next to him. He missed his last target for a 98.

[A]

I did.

[B]

I wasn't gonna mention it. I wasn't gonna mention it on the podcast, but you did right in front of me. And it. Me, I was worried I was gonna miss. I didn't.

[C]

Did you stop and give it a funeral?

[B]

Oh, yeah, I let it hit the ground.

[A]

Yeah, it was a long time to hit the ground, too, because the wind.

[B]

Was pushing it up.

[A]

It was wild. But, yeah, I. I think, you know, today was. Was a difficult day.

[B]

Let's talk about yesterday.

[A]

Well, I will bring this up. I will give you props. You did break a hundred and doubles yesterday.

[C]

How was your handicap yesterday, Rich?

[B]

97 yesterday. And I didn't miss the last bird. I hung in there.

[C]

You did good. You know what? Today I did? I missed the last bird Y for 99. And it's the second time I've done that. So, you know, I was like, I would happen.

[B]

I've got to tell you, I told this to Leo years ago. He told me he missed 11 times on the. On the hundredth target in handicap. And he was consoling me because I just missed my hundred target and doubles at the Southwestern grand in San Antonio. And I turned to Dave Kelly or other buddy, and I said if I missed it once, I would quit the game. Game. And when I said that, when Ricky said He missed his 100 target, I said, was that your first one? I thought, maybe we're getting him out of here. No, he handled it so well. It was like, oh, it's over. No big deal.

[C]

Hey, it's like our good buddy Mike Jackson, my squad mate Mike says, hey, man. He said, I'm proud of you. He goes, that's tough. But he goes. He goes, nine. Nines are good. I said, absolutely it is. And I go, you know what? He goes, and you do it again. And I said, absolutely. I take a dynamic last record every time because this isn't a game of a long run.

[A]

No, no, it doesn't matter. A 99 is a 99. Doesn't matter which way you break it. And it was a great score yesterday, and you can't be upset with it. And no, you know, sometimes you got to take the little victories where you can get them. I mean, today in the handicap, I had a horrible handicap, but I broke the last box. I mean, it was one of the.

[C]

What'd you end up breaking today?

[A]

I had 87, but you broke the last.

[C]

You got on my 25.

[A]

I got him at 25, baby. But it's like. It's one of those things that you can't give up.

[C]

So you figured it out.

[A]

You. You learn.

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You learn through it. It's like yesterday Yesterday it was hot.

[B]

I mean, it was good condition. It was hot. There was. But no real.

[C]

There's three hundreds from the. From in handicap. Two were from the 27, Jason Crows. He ended up winning the shoot off. So congratulations to our. Our Nebraska shooter, Jason Crousley.

[A]

He did great.

[B]

You know. Second one. Second one. In a couple months, two weeks.

[C]

He broke it at Kansas. Kansas State shoot.

[A]

So it's been a while. Two months. I've seen guys break them and then break them again.

[B]

That's what I saw. 99, Christopher Scroggin. Yeah.

[C]

From Arkansas.

[B]

The family. And I just. I get. Getting chills thinking about the little guy because he used to come to California when I shot the California state. And he would stay and I watched him in diapers and see him out here. That was. That was great. So that's really.

[A]

Yeah, you get to see people grow up in the sport, which is really awesome. And I mean, obviously you grew up in this sport completely. I mean, well, you've been around a gun club. You run a gun club.

[B]

I was a little bit older. I was 24 when my parents built the gun club. But I had, you know, been around a gun shop.

[C]

Zach, you lost. There's two hundreds in right now.

[B]

There's two. You know, it's funny how we watch this board. There's Zach. 98. Boy, that 99.

[A]

I'm not upset with that.

[B]

He's a good dad. Is he from Nebraska too?

[C]

Oh, yeah, he is.

[B]

You know, I gotta. Let's talk about this Nebraska thing because I want to bring it up and I. I have to tell you, there used to be Ricky Marshall. There was Frank.

[C]

Frank Copy.

[B]

There was some, but now my. You can look. Ricky Marshall. Dagan Voightman. Not necessarily in that order.

[C]

Yeah, exactly. It's the other way right now.

[B]

Jason Krause.

[C]

Ryan Glow.

[B]

Ryan Glow.

[C]

Zach Bryant.

[B]

Zach Wyatt. Debris.

[C]

Barrett debris. Tyler Marshall.

[B]

Tyler. You know, you're right. Tyler, Gavin.

[C]

You guys have a group of cane Packer.

[B]

Listen, it is a crop that. It's head and shoulders.

[A]

It's the red damn army. And I gotta tell you, when we were at Iowa, there were seven of.

[B]

Them bastards in that shooter.

[C]

I said I'm surrounded.

[B]

There's only one little move. You know what? Speaking of Iowa. Oh, did you.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, is this your trophy?

[C]

Yeah. Look how small it is. Come on, Iowa.

[B]

Where's yours? Is yours at home? You're polishing your runner up.

[C]

I got the roots and the money.

[B]

Not very often do we get to give you a hard time.

[C]

That's Right.

[B]

I gotta tell you, we've got the eagle that you just brought in 2,200.

[C]

I asked me to do a display deal.

[B]

Caesar Guerini, preliminary handicap in 2014. The winner with 100 straight. Yeah.

[C]

Did you. That's what the trophy looked like.

[B]

I shot 100 straight in it. This kid from Minnesota.

[A]

21 yards, 19 yards something, I don't know.

[B]

Shoot off. I shoot 100 straight and lose. My name would have been. And well, now that I see that trophy, it hurts. It hurts even more even seven years.

[C]

Later if you want to borrow.

[A]

25 straight and they were dust. I don't feel bad for you.

[B]

Zach had the cigar ready for me after the padrone.

[A]

46 was pre lit and a. And a bourbon and I walked out and I presented you with both of them.

[B]

But this is. I'll tell you what, let's go back to Iowa because this is pretty impressive.

[C]

300275 straight.

[A]

It was my longest shoot off ever.

[B]

And how, and how many so far? How many Nebraskans?

[C]

7 14.

[B]

Is that something? I mean.

[C]

Well, listen, let's talk about this with Nebraska. So we're at the, the cornhole tournament.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And some guys asked about, hey, you know, there's a lot of pretty good Nebraska shooters here. We were talking and me and Glo and, and I said, you know, we've got a pretty good just junior age kids that we could. That could compete on any given day with they Open.

[B]

Oh hell, I would put.

[C]

I mean, you know, I mean Wyatt just got his grand slam at Wisconsin, you know, Bear.

[B]

But I was talking Tyler. No juniors, not even sub juniors. Okay. So you take.

[C]

But even if you had Barrett and there's a sub junior, you got Barrett, Wyatt, Tyler Kane and Gavin Cook. Every one of them has 100 except for Barrett and Tyler and handicap.

[B]

Yeah, but they all, you know, and then you go to the Open. Oh, you've got no, you know, Stan's a veteran.

[C]

Veteran now. Stan can shoot.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, I mean we got Justin when, when he's, you know, shooting his kd, he shoots a little better handicap.

[B]

Talk about your Justin, my good buddy. Did you see what I sent that? I got to talk about my, my video. When I sent it out congratulating his son about his hundred straight, his grand slam. 16 years old, gets the grand slam at Wisconsin. And I send out a video congratulating with Ricky and Joe Charnigo, a bunch of Zach and a group of people that had grand slams.

[C]

And he added Justin on that and.

[B]

I added Justin on And I was poking at Justin. I said, justin, I wanted to add you on here because you're two. You're two thirds towards getting your grand Slam. You've got the singles and the doubles.

[C]

Oh, wait, fact check.

[B]

Wait, fact check. You don't have the doubles. You've got a 200 in the singles. And I was hoping for him, but he kicked me off of two squads over that.

[A]

What was great is I'm sitting there watching this text string. Everybody's saying, great job, Wyatt. Great job. Hey, this is the Grand Slam text chain. Everybody got. Everybody's in there.

[B]

We were golfing.

[C]

So me and Tyler and Wyatt and Barrett are golfing. And this comes out, and we're actually just got done. We're sitting at the restaurant there in Wisconsin. And I went, oh, boy. And Barrett. Barry goes, what? And why? It's like, what? And I go, so they were with your text. Oh, yeah.

[B]

But only then Barrett, wasn't it?

[A]

No, everyone had a grand Slam.

[B]

Yeah, for Justin, but I added him in.

[C]

But you did. Yeah, you did.

[B]

And then.

[C]

And then the. The fun started getting poked around.

[A]

And then he said, hey, you know, I guess you're gonna have to find a new squad and shoot at the Southwestern grand and at the Heartland.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But, folks, you know, this is another term coined by Mr. Rich Bullard, RB08, but this is called shoot shaming.

[C]

Shoot shaming.

[B]

And let me explain it, because over the years, I've, you know, in this day and age of, quote, body shaming.

[C]

Which he does to me right now.

[B]

And I. I give my two. I give my two good buddies here a hard time about. I want them in shape. I want them to get fit so they're around. And he's been, yeah, you're doing. You're doing great. We got to work on the.

[C]

Work on the Italian.

[B]

Work on the Italian eats too much. It's just simple. He likes Italian food. But I. I'm not supposed to do it, because in this day and age, you're. You're considered. It's a bullying deal with these two guys. You're just trying to stay on top of them and riches estate. There's a new term. There is a new term that I've come up with, and that's called shoot shaming. When I miss a target and they run a trap, they shoot shame me. They say, oh, you got hung on this one. You got it by the inner. So it's shoot shaming. And there's. This is a. I need a mental health moment when this happens.

[C]

I need A safe place.

[A]

Give me my safe space so that.

[C]

I cannot get shamed with my bubble.

[A]

At times with my 87 handicapped.

[B]

Whoa. Oh, that was you? That's right. Thank God. I thought. I thought he was going to say me.

[A]

All right, trap dock listeners, we got to take a real quick break. And I've got something that I'm so excited to announce. Trap shooting USA has now become the official magazine of the trap talk podcast.

[C]

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[A]

I'm just really excited because they make such a high quality magazine. I mean, if you guys haven't had these magazines and you actually get to touch them in your hands, they've got really thick paper, they're really glossy, and they keep it really cool. I mean, I just love it.

[C]

The traveling gunsmith. And then in this newest episode, we have. Oh, man, look at.

[B]

Look at those.

[A]

Look at those handsome guys. I love this. I love it. I love it. Hey, trap talk listeners, we got to take a real quick break and we got to thank Ron Prescott from midstate precious metals for everything they do for the trap shooting community coast to coast for all your gold and silver buying needs. And on top of that new announcement, they're a sponsor of the 126 Grand American.

[C]

Finally, he said it right, folks. Grand American. Yeah. Ron is a great guy. He's a sponsor of the back fence shootout at Nevada state shoot and Ohio state shoot. And also we got our gold for our trap talk event at Nevada state shoot and the 77th annual Nevada State shoot. They bought all theirs from it. 680 ounces of silver to be exact. Folks, you're missing out if you're not there.

[A]

That's a lot of silver. And honestly, if you're not buying from Ron, you're probably overpaying. So whether you're buying it for your gun clubs or your shoots or for your personal use, you got to give them a try because they're big supporters of the trap shooting nation. So it's awesome.

[C]

All right, folks, we need to take a quick second and get to a new show sponsor, Big red motorsports. Big red. They're personal friends of mine, Jason and George Lee, and they're also a personal sponsor of mine.

[A]

Now, I'll say this, Ricky looked great driving around in that side by side. I got some free rides down at Tucson, the autumn grand. I think it's awesome that they deliver all across the country. And obviously they love trap shooters. They love trap Shooting and they're doing a great job.

[C]

Listen, they got can Am, Kawasaki cf, Moto Triton trailers. Hit them up. We'll take care of you guys.

[A]

All right, Trap Talk listeners, we got to take a quick break and we got to welcome a new sponsor to the show. RGS Bore Stripper. It's a great product, Ricky. Tell them how they can find it.

[C]

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[A]

Yeah, they sent me some of this product and I used it on my Krakoff choke tubes the other day and it got the plastic out like in a minute and it was super cool and super good. So if you like cleaning your gun, you like eliminating plastic and you like shiny bores, give them a try for sure. Thank you so much for supporting the show.

[C]

Yeah, we'd really like to thank John Weber, the owner for the support. He's doing an awesome job.

[A]

Yeah, we really want to thank John. We appreciate the support of the show. Anybody that supports Trap Talk, you guys need to support them and get this stuff because it's awesome.

[C]

And with that, let's get back to the show at 93.

[B]

93.

[C]

94.

[A]

He shot great.

[C]

Tyler was high on our score with a 95.

[A]

Hey, I could go back to some scores and start pulling stuff though. So let's just back this rig up a little bit. Okay.

[C]

Put her in reverse.

[A]

Yeah, we got to put it in reverse.

[C]

No, it. It is. We heckle each other and we, we do.

[A]

And I, I know Ricky said that my trophy is very small but.

[C]

But I will say, I will say meaningful. Zach shot very well, folks. And Iowa State shoot is one of the. I mean it's a tough shoot because you have me, Dag and Sean, Holly, Ian, Lawrence, Jason, Crouze, Ryan. Cool. I mean you. We can sit here and name it Scotty, Jens. It's all these top shooters.

[B]

It's a good venue. Those people can be absolutely.

[C]

For non resident.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Not including their resident shooters.

[A]

Well, yeah, they got a lot of heat there. And we've always talked about it, we've always said. And I haven't gone to Iowa in many, many years.

[C]

And I. And I talked him into coming.

[B]

He did.

[C]

If I.

[A]

You won.

[C]

Yeah. But I was happy for Zach. I'm always listen for my friends or squad mates. I'm always happy if they win. If I.

[B]

You know what? This is hilarious. He wasn't that happy when you beat him. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[C]

You can ask him. I said, if you missed, I was going to whoop your ass. Yeah.

[A]

He said, don't mess. Get this over with.

[C]

We'd have been after another freaking. We'd still be there shooting. We had lasagna. We did.

[B]

So what did you guys do to get it over? Did you turn up?

[C]

We cranked the targets.

[B]

You turned them up?

[C]

We actually. They turned them way down. That didn't work.

[B]

Everybody slowed. Everybody.

[C]

Then they turned them up and Jenzy missed couple. And then Dagan missed one. And then it was just me, Zach and Krause. And they were cranked up even more.

[A]

They were cranked.

[C]

And Krause missed the 20th. And then. Yeah. No 20th, because then I missed the first one out.

[B]

21St.

[C]

I missed the 21st. Yeah, I. Krause, he walked over to one to finish, and I'm on two and I'm thinking, okay, I called Paul and I think maybe I was shooting a normal target and I went, oh, boy, it's gone. It's on steroids.

[A]

Oh, it was going that fast. And you know, for me, when Krause missed, I'm like, okay, me and Ricky are about to go out here for the next two days.

[C]

And then.

[A]

And then when Ricky missed, I'm like.

[C]

Christmas, it came early. Oh, no, that is not what he was thinking. Exactly. What he was thinking is he went, oh. And his barrel went.

[B]

You know, it's funny, but when Christmas.

[A]

Comes, you get nervous because I was like, oh, I don't mess this up now.

[B]

It's funny, though, when you say that. When you say that, though, when the guy misses in front of you sometimes and there's that big pause where you kind of lock it.

[A]

Lock me up.

[B]

And you go, oh, it's my opening now. Do you forget what you're supposed to do?

[C]

That can happen.

[A]

Well, I.

[B]

Sometimes. Yeah.

[C]

You talking about shoot off stuff. And that's one of the things, is when someone misses in front of you, fits in a shoot off you, you can't dwell on the fact they missed.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

No, you got to worry about your target.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Because you're not. I'm. Listen, I'm not out there shooting against him. No. I'm out there shooting against me.

[A]

I wasn't shooting against you exactly. Now I'm shooting against him.

[C]

I wish. I wish he would have missed early and then I'd have missed early because.

[A]

I don't think you go no, I'd have missed.

[C]

I missed, folks. You heard it here for three or four of them.

[A]

But honestly, where it was, I'm like, you know what? You gotta hang tight.

[C]

I mean, and all you gotta do.

[A]

Is shoot him one at a time.

[C]

Because I will say, his barrel, he was shaking, which is normal, folks. You got to learn to get through the nerves. But I. I will say, when he moved to the target, then it was like, smooth.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Except for the one that you wrote your name.

[A]

N A, N, N, N, L, I.

[C]

I got it, though. You did, but you went left, right, left, and then shot it.

[B]

How late was it?

[C]

I did hit it for the trophy.

[B]

So it was seven. You mean this one?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Hey, you know what? It's funny. What thing could have been the size of a thimble and I'd have it at the top of my. Top of my trophy case. It could be a dime size.

[B]

They gave me one of those little.

[A]

Wooden nickels that you turn in for 25 singles. And I'd been like, yeah, funny.

[B]

What makes you. What means something.

[A]

It's never about the trophy. It's about her memory of it.

[C]

It's about the trophies that we have sitting here. These are some for the.

[A]

The hall of Fame wanted me to do a deal.

[B]

I've got to say this one.

[C]

So that was the very first.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Eagle, actually. The very first overall that they did with combining the prelims and the main grand together. There never was a trophy like that.

[B]

When we were in. So we moved here in 06.2200.

[C]

It was 2200 that year.

[B]

Now it's 26.26.

[C]

And I won the prelim over the overall in 06. And then I won the main overall in 06. Thankful to shout out to Koe. Kay did not want to shoot off.

[A]

No, he just. He said Kay won the Grand American Handicap that year. And he said we could flip. And I said, I'm not flipping for that. No.

[C]

So he said, you know what, Richie? Because he always calls me Richie. He said, we can both have a ring. And I said, well, Kay, I won the all around with the 398, so I already have a ring. And he goes, now I won what I wanted to win because he was the first person to ever win all five.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And, oh, six.

[A]

So big for him.

[C]

I went to get, you know, I went in and they're. And I was like, that is a cool trophy.

[B]

So I thought the bronze. You can see all the patina.

[C]

To bring some trophies for a display because he's Helping out the hall of Fame.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

With Terry in there to do some different stuff. And so I brought that. I brought the very first trophy I ever won. The grand American 1988 sub junior runner up in the class doubles. And then I brought the handicap champion. And then my clay target. Rich, you. Hey, did the PITA do a clay target like that for you? Did you see it?

[B]

You know, and I, I, they, they.

[C]

Since it's got my name on it.

[B]

Marshall Jr. 2015. The dimple target.

[A]

The only target. He won't break.

[B]

They. They did not. But I'm sure it wasn't even brought to their attention. Bill Daniels is.

[A]

Let's roll this back here.

[B]

He was there and. But I'm sure it wasn't even.

[A]

I want to roll this back because we didn't talk about this at all.

[C]

You could.

[A]

Yeah, go put that back behind that. Put that behind the target. But. But we got to roll this back because there is something that's been huge that has happened. We haven't talked about it because normally. Rich Bullard, he announces himself as RBO8, aka the Pigeonator. Seven time all star team, five time all American and most handsome man in trap shooting. But now he has the honor of adding PIA hall of Fame member inductee. So congratulations on that. If you haven't already.

[B]

You know, we were gonna be there. It's a hard place to get to. You did everything you could.

[C]

Dave Kelly, our good buddy.

[B]

Yeah, Dave Kelly.

[C]

In 2000.

[B]

18.

[C]

18. And that was in Spokane. And you inducted him. And that's where he proposed to Cynthia and his brother Bob looked at me and said, did you know about this? And I said, I didn't know about this.

[B]

No one.

[C]

No one. Yeah, me and. Yeah, me and Dom were. The Dom was there a shorter time than I was, but it was easy to get into Spokane. Getting into the cop.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Not easy.

[B]

And you guys, you know the way the. The Grand Pacific, the chute itself stacked up against the grand. The turnaround. It's tough for me you guys to fly out to driving.

[A]

Well, we got a lot of logistics here. I mean, I talked.

[B]

I don't hold it again.

[A]

I wanted to come.

[C]

I think you should hold against that.

[B]

Because you do you.

[C]

He does manage your money. I think you gotta knock off a percentage point for you.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

Definitely not a whole point. Maybe a tenth of a point would be okay. We call those basis points.

[C]

Well. But no seriousness. In all seriousness, you've been. What is it, seven time all star cap.

[B]

No, I've been no one time. Oh, only captain.

[C]

Oh, they put you in six.

[B]

66.

[C]

That's not nice.

[B]

It's true.

[C]

I got a video this Morning, folks, at 6am we should post about body shaming. I mean, it's all we need to be walking.

[A]

He said we're sleeping on our pillow. Shooting 98s and doubles. Exactly. You know what?

[B]

Hey, I deserve it. Yeah.

[C]

How'd you shoot doubles today, Rich?

[B]

97. Let's talk about yesterday. Yesterday, Yesterday, folks.

[C]

Singles go yesterday, Rich.

[B]

Oh, here we go. You know, it's always, hey, what'd you shoot today?

[C]

Hunter. How'd you do?

[B]

98.

[C]

Well, but no, that shoot shaming at its finest, folks. Let's call it back. The. The pita. The Pacific International Trap Association. Great association. I. I've actually only shot one shoot. Rich talked me into sticking around in Tucson. And he was not happy that I did because I did win everything except for the doubles and the handicap. He didn't even shoot.

[B]

He won the single. He beat me in a shoe.

[A]

Ricky Marshall.

[C]

Good. And he won.

[A]

I said, this is good. And I could have beat you guys.

[B]

That's gonna be edited out.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Potentially. We don't know.

[C]

But that's what I said. It was a great shoot. And I won the singles in the shoot off. But I would like to note, folks, that we're in a shoot off. We need to talk about etiquette. Shoot off. Etiquette.

[B]

That's true.

[C]

You should never throw a shell at your competitor.

[B]

Well, let me, let me, let me. Because he brings up something. So this is what had happened earlier in the week. Ricky and I both had run the 200 in the autumn grand. Autumn grand singles championship along with Billy Sales. So we go out to shoot. There's three of us. And I'm not thinking about Billy Sales. I'm thinking about Ricky Marshall.

[C]

We should have been thinking about Billy.

[B]

Sales because he ends up winning it. As I'm walking by Ricky, I had just crucified a target. And I. Because I'm too familiar with him, I say stuff stupidly out on the line when I shouldn't. And I said, did you see that one?

[C]

Whoa.

[B]

And I promptly go over and miss on post five in the twilight. And I. And he goes bye bye. And so Billy Sayles and him go back out. Billy ends up winning.

[C]

We shot another two 50 or 75. And Billy Sales has been. Billy's one of those top shooters that doesn't travel a lot.

[B]

And he doesn't. Nobody hears about him. Well, Colorado.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

Sorry I'm beating on the Table. And I shouldn't. But Colorado, you got a guy like him that for years there was this guy named Race Stafford who is so Legend. One of the greatest ever. And so you got Billy. That was very good. But he was in an era when, well, you're. You're fighting one of the best.

[A]

Well, yeah, I mean, it's like the people that were in Missouri with Leo, I mean, who's gonna. What are you gonna do?

[C]

We go talk to Bobby Chambers and Bobby Chambers will tell you he's got like 27 Rue trophies to Leo.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, you could go there and you could be like. When you have somebody that's that good at that. Well, in the prime of their game.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, you're not gonna outshine them. You're not gonna get a point where people are gonna be like, oh, yeah.

[C]

It was like me with a kid when I was like younger and I could shoot pretty good. I was getting runner ups to Frank Copy. Tom Buxman.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

You know, and people are like, oh, what happened? I'm like, you come shoot against these guys, come play with them boys and.

[A]

See what they hold their shell bag.

[B]

I'm telling you, the point I was trying to make was we go out, he beats me and then it knocks me out there. Okay.

[A]

A bye bye.

[C]

I didn't say nothing, Billy.

[B]

So he didn't. He really did. And usually there's gonna be some comeback goodbye.

[C]

Because I was concentrating. I was like, billy's a handful.

[B]

Yeah. You. We knew when you get him on the podcast, willingness. He's a quiet, nice man. And he.

[C]

He is.

[A]

Billy's not like us.

[B]

And he like you and he.

[C]

Plural.

[B]

So when he won, when Billy won, Ricky. I remember Ricky walking up and I got my hand out. I'm walking out of the line and I walk like this. Ricky sticks his hand out. I walk right by him to go shake Willie's hand. And he goes.

[C]

What happened?

[B]

Now let's fast forward. Fast forward. We go out for the tie singles championship in the PITA the very next two days later. Two days later, Two days later, we.

[C]

Shoot off that the gentleman that also broke a one. We broke 198s.

[B]

The gentleman, David Vander. Yeah, Vanderlin.

[C]

He missed the first one out.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

Then I think he missed one more.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We're going along.

[C]

Rich and I are straight and Rich misses one and he turns back and looks at me and. And I go, shouldn't have done that. I'm thinking, he takes his shit. I was trying to rolls it at me. I was trying. I said to the referee, hey.

[B]

Hey.

[C]

I was doing abuse on other shooters.

[A]

I was doing basebox.

[B]

I was doing everything qualified. I was doing everything I can.

[A]

I've got witnesses during on the line, though, so we can fight after.

[C]

In between rounds.

[A]

And then we go back up, and it's fine.

[C]

A per AUJ rule.

[A]

Listen, this is the problem with. He's a dog with two bones. He said, this is my trash can. I'm like, it's a public trash can.

[C]

Listen, we're talking about Arizona.

[B]

We get done. We. He beats. And I threw that shell. And I was thinking, as it's in the air, and I fired it pretty good. I was thinking his stock. I was thinking, oh, don't hit the stock. You know, I didn't want. You know, don't hit the.

[C]

He wrecked people's stuff. He wrecked Justin debris trailer, flushed the toilet. I get a call. I'm not even at the shoot. I get a call, and. From Brad Gray. And he's like, hey, Justin's camper's flooded.

[A]

We're at Stockdale Gun clubs in Iowa. And I gotta tell the story because we're in Stockdale. Rich says, I gotta pee. And Justin says, yeah, go back there and pee. Well, apparently, at the time, Justin had a little hitch in that. In that flush on that thing where when you push it down, you had to push it back up because it was locking. That was a failure of the.

[B]

Nobody told me it wasn't.

[C]

You would look down and notice open. I'm not.

[B]

You know, you flush the toilet, you think it's going to, folks.

[C]

So everybody out there. Rich has never owned a camper, and I never.

[A]

Will he own the camper.

[B]

I almost had to buy it.

[C]

So this happens. It floods. And so Brad Greg calls me, and I said, well, Brad, I know the code here. Running. And he goes, no, no, no, no, no. I don't want the code. He goes, I shut the water off of the spigot. He goes, but we've been out here 10 minutes, and it's still running out the front of Justin's fifth wheel.

[A]

This thing's flooded like a FEMA trailer. And it's coming out the front, and it's just flowing. And we're at dinner, and Justin debris is a shade of red strawberry that I'm never sure. Like, he's. Like he's got steam coming here.

[B]

I don't know what to do. Well, you.

[A]

Yeah, you don't know what to do. But Justin says, you just bought an rv. Now I will give it to him, the Italian, the Genovese are known for working deals in Italy. Genovese. Italians. He says, hey, I'm not paying full price for a flooded trailer.

[B]

I did. I said, hey, I. You know, I said. I said, hey, come on, this thing's been flooded. I'll give you a. I'll buy it, but I'm not gonna pay full price. Zach, can you pull this thing out of here? He goes, yeah. Oh, well, I'll get it, but I'm not paying the full rent.

[C]

Hey, listen. They had been having a few cocktails that night.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

And Justin was feeling good. And I said, you guys are lucky. If he wasn't feeling good, both you would be.

[B]

I felt so bad. I felt so bad.

[C]

I said to Justin, I said, what are you doing? And he called me. He goes, I'm telling you these. And I can't say the words exactly used on these two mongols, but it.

[B]

Was not very nice.

[A]

It wasn't even my fault.

[C]

You were an accomplice. And the worst part of it is.

[A]

We had to pull the drainage plug, and there's all kinds of water down there from the flooding.

[C]

And Rich would not get down.

[A]

Justin looks at me and he says, no, all I know is I'm not pulling that thing. And he looks right at Rich. He says, I'm not pulling it. And Rich looks at me, and I look at him, and he says, I don't want to pull it. I said, I guess I'm pulling it.

[C]

And then, folks, if you. If you do enough good business with Zach, he'll do the dirty work.

[A]

And then a real dirty work.

[B]

Now, here's the deal. Nobody knows this. There was a deal cut after he did that. He was retching underneath the Trevis. It was pretty bad. We. We put a hose. We drained the gray or the black water. This was bad stuff. This was bad. But the. The part that no one knows about. When we were driving back to the airport, he says, you owe me one. And he says to me, he says, when we're in a shoot off together, I don't care if it's for the Grand American Handicap Championship, the Clay Target Championship. For a ring. If I turn to you and I tell you put two in the ground, you're forfeiting.

[A]

You put him in the dirt.

[B]

And I. I agreed to it. I agreed to it, but not for a ring.

[C]

Not for a ring.

[B]

Not for a ring. I said, I'll do. I'll. I'll barely do for a satellite grand Friday handicap again.

[A]

And I'll Just that one you don't have.

[B]

I'll do it for that. I'll do it for that. But a ring. A ring. You're on your own. I'm getting in the book. Oh, I wanted that book too.

[A]

Oh, you lost it. That kid was so locked in, it looked like a clay target shoot off in handicapped. He had super handicaps and a glow arm at the 19 year old life.

[C]

This kid just killed me. This is one of the greatest things about shooting is the. The friendships you make and the squad you shoot with.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Is just having fun. And no matter if you're shooting good or you're shooting bad, you gotta have fun.

[B]

This stuff, we always remember how we got there.

[A]

I want to circle back because we were talking about shoot offs. But I don't think anybody's really heard about the first time you guys met in that shoot off at Tucson. Because I mean I think that's.

[C]

I don't think we should tell that story because then people might not like Rich very well.

[A]

I don't think many people like him anyway.

[C]

But we should.

[A]

Might as well come by it honestly.

[C]

You must pay your wife, she must be on a retainer.

[B]

She's a wonderful lady.

[C]

She is a wonderful lady. I do not know why she puts up with you, you know, I mean, I know you're a good cook because.

[B]

I've been to your house. You know that first time I met Ricky, I was a new shooter.

[C]

You were a new shooter.

[B]

I was a new shooter of the track. So I go down. This is a wonderful story. It's so cool how this happened. I go out, I shoot the first hundred. I couldn't get a squad. Dave Kelly would not let me shoot with you guys. I. Dave's one of my best friends. You're not shooting with us.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So I squad with two guys. One was new shooter, the other guy needed. He worked for the post office and he had a shift starting at 3:00'. Clock. I had to be done and he was shooting a pump 870. I finished down on one, the one.

[C]

That faces back back in the day.

[B]

When we shot and I had to finish. So after the first hundred, I run the first hundred. Dave introduces me to him. I didn't know who Ricky was. I knew who he was, but I never met him. And I said, me being me, I said I'll see in the shoot off. And Ricky, Ricky says oh, okay, okay. Didn't say anything else. That's so he was. I didn't. I go and finish it. I break the two I break the hundred on the back half on that trap. And these poor guys were. They were so nervous about me. And I was just, let's get through this. We go out to shoot off.

[C]

Dad was in the shoot off, AKA Jerry Williams.

[B]

Yeah, Jerry Williams was in it, which I called dad. Bunch of us. And it was. It was really neat. It was my first time to Tucson. It was really cool. I'm down there. It's the Autumn Grant. And. Yeah. And so they start condensing things. All of a sudden, I'm condensed and I shoot this. And you miss?

[C]

Yeah. Yeah, I did.

[B]

And I walked back. And of course, Ricky has his shell sitting there. And I turn to the crowd, and me being me, I say, hey, Ricky, since you don't need those shells, do you mind if I borrow them?

[C]

I said, absolutely.

[B]

He did. He was very gracious. Dave Kelly looks at everybody in that. They're going, oh, and the one. And I swear, Sean, you can ask him. To this day, Sean Hawley, who's a good friend of all of ours, says, who is this big loudmouth?

[C]

And I think he said, a dip a little.

[B]

I'm toning it down. But it was so funny because he. Then I go back out. I break the 50. We go back out again. Well, then I really get caught. And I come back, I say, hey, Ricky Marshall Jr. Shooting clinics. You want to take my class? And Ricky's got. By this point, Ricky's going, funny deal. Sean is shaking his head. Dave Kelly is going, zip it. So I go out and I miss. And I ended up running around, and I got the roo. But it was so now.

[C]

Now fast forward a week later. What's Your area code? 775.

[B]

Dave. Yeah, Dave was banging on me. You shouldn't have done that. This and that.

[C]

He calls me. I look at my phone.

[B]

It ring.

[C]

It's 775. I'm like, Reno know. Who do I know in Reno? So I'm like, hello. He says, rick Marshall. I said, yeah. He said, this is Rich Bullard, RB8. I said, oh, rich. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Met in Tucson last week. And he goes, hey, folk, I. I just want to tell you I'm sorry. I, you know, I was, you know, blah, blah. And I said, oh, you're one of them guys that talks smack and then calls and apologizes later. He goes, he goes, oh, Dave Kelly told me you're going to say that.

[B]

And I felt bad. I don't know the guy. And I was poking at him. But it was more just for the crowd to make it fun.

[A]

Hey, Trap Talk listeners, let's take a quick second to thank a couple more amazing sponsors. SOS Clays Shoot Management, they're doing a fantastic job. I love the app. I love being able to see everything on my phone instantaneously. It's freaking awesome. Rick, what do you think?

[C]

Yeah, Greg Pink and his group over there, I mean, they've got majority of the satellite grants, majority of the state shoots. I think it's 40 plus state shoots they're doing. But the app, honestly, we were doing a little beta testing with that at the spring Grand. It's awesome. You can see your squad if they paid, you know, you can see your options, your payouts, the whole works at your fingertips. Great deal. They're just.

[A]

Ricky, how much money he made before he even got off the line, he was like, hey, I'm buying lunch. I'm like, yeah, good job.

[B]

We're good to go.

[A]

We also got gun and trophy insurance. I mean, they're the best in the business. I, I know they're, they're great price. Ricky, you're familiar with them, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Cole and Larry Cushman, been long time supporters of myself and, and I've been a supporter of them and you know, especially with my college team, you know, we require insurance. It's so fast and easy to sign up and get your insurance in literally 10 minutes you can have your guns insured. And they're just great. They're great to deal with. Like I said, you can do your trophies also, you know, your, your wildlife, animals and that such and your guns.

[A]

It's just a great, it's always good when you're traveling around to have that peace of mind and know that you don't have to worry about losing your stuff forever. And these are expensive things, especially when you got those Craig offs, you got to keep them insured, so.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

With that being said. All right, folks, we got to take a real quick break and acknowledge the official target of the ATA White Flyer. They've been sponsoring us since the beginning and they make a great target. What do you think, Rick?

[C]

It's the best target in the ata. Shout out to everybody there, all the reps. You know, Bill Daniels, Josh Taylor, Nick Arnold, Robert Crow, everything they do for the sport and all the shoots. Really appreciate it.

[A]

They're always there, they're always trying to make a better target and they're always supporting the game that we love so much. With that being said, let's get back to the show.

[B]

Foreign.

[A]

Trap Talk listeners, let's take a couple seconds and thank a couple more sponsors. First of all, Remington's been with us since day one. I've been shooting these shells since 2007. I shoot the Nitro 27 from the 27 yard line. Ounce and eight, seven and a half and STS, ounce and eighth eights for singles and doubles. They've worked great for me as they do a lot of top shooters all around the country. Give them a try. Don't forget the gun club line when you're practicing and you're wanting to save a little bit of money.

[C]

We'd also like to thank another sponsor, Outlaw engineering. Randy Freston, R2. I've known Randy since 1988. They do engineering, survey and drafting, GIS, civil structural land development, wetland permitting. They do.

[A]

And they're friends of trap shooters. I mean, they're trap shooting family. They've been in the ATA forever. His dad's been involved. They're involved. They're beautiful family. They're great people. And we just love that they listen to the show and we love that they support trap talk.

[C]

Yeah. His dad was past president 1989. So I really want to thank those guys for the support it really appreciate it here trap.

[A]

With that being said. All right, folks, we got to take another quick break and thank one of our show sponsors. 73 Pointers Ranch, Jonesburg, Missouri. Rick and Carla Burke. Best place in the area to go shoot chuckers and pheasants and have a great time. Rick, we got to get you down there.

[C]

Yeah, I need to come in. Hopefully I can do some hunting with you guys and come to your the annual clay shoot in August right after the grand.

[A]

It's a lot of fun. It's the optimist club charity shoot. They throw a charity shoot. They put it on and it's wonderful. I think last year they had over 100, 100 entries into it. And it's just a good time. With that being said, let's get back to the show.

[C]

I knew. I know Darlene.

[B]

That's what you are.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So I've known Darlene, Rich's mother for a long time because I used to go out and shoot at Sage Hill, their family gun club. With your. Your brother. Yeah, you know, he was. He wasn't shooting. Yeah, he was a sporting clay shooter. But I remember Darlene saying she had this son, Rich. If I'd have known him then, I be different story. But no, we used to shoot a lot at your mom's club and had a great time. I remember walking up the hill with Tom Bucksman. Now I smoked for 20 years and then I quit back in. God. It's been what, so probably 2010. I think I quit or something right around there.

[A]

They were smoking when I met you.

[C]

The first time before then. And Tom's like, let's walk up to the top to where we were shooting. And we did.

[B]

And you're at. I'm going to tell you, coming for you.

[C]

Yeah. I got up there and I said. I looked at Tom and he goes, we won't be doing that again. Yeah, but it was a great club because you could be. You never shot there. Did you say, yeah, okay.

[A]

I got runner up in the handicap at the last Golden West Granite Stage.

[C]

Who beat you? Steve Smith.

[B]

Steve Smith.

[C]

Steve Smith. So listen, he did.

[A]

I broke an eight and Smitty broke a nine.

[C]

Yeah, we were. And I got that shooting.

[A]

It's a chrome rhine buck.

[C]

Just got done literally shooting the last post. Last couple targets. It starts snowing and we were like, what the heck? So you skip traps?

[B]

Yeah, they used the bank system. Boom. They used to skip.

[C]

Yeah, we got all the way to the bottom for the last 25.

[B]

Snowing.

[C]

It's freaking sunny. We're sweating. I said, what kind of gun club am I at here?

[B]

My ancestry. As far as planning a gun club, we. We used the land we had.

[C]

Yeah, it was. Yeah, they're frugal people.

[A]

Genovese. They said, we got some land, let's throw some traps on it. These ones you're shooting in the snow. These ones you're shooting the desert. That's what you get.

[B]

Like, how do we get.

[C]

And honestly, though, it was cool because, you know, going to kind of your. The history of the club. We'll go into that a little bit. So Dan Orlich was from Reno.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Okay. So I met Dan Orlich actually at Larry Mitchell's gun club in. In Salt Lake City years ago. Just briefly met him. I won his Dan or the candy cap. I broke a pair of 99s. Never broke 100 yet. And I missed the 15th target and the 195th target. It's a 200 bird race. Handicapped.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And I met Dan. Won this beautiful painting with his plaque on it. And then fast forward. And that was one of Tom Buxman's idols. So fast forward now. We're at your mom's club. Say chill. At the Western Grand. Dan Orlick came out and he's talking to Tom because Tom knew him really well. Oh, Frank knew him, you know, of course.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And Tom's like, hey. And he Goes, hey.

[B]

And.

[C]

And Dan knew. And. And it was funny. He said, yeah. He said, you won my handicap in. In Salt Lake City a couple years ago. And I was like. I mean, the guy had a mind of a still trap, so it was cool because your mom had his Ludic's number one. Number one.

[B]

Number one. It was the serial number. Number one Ludic. And yeah, he. He was quite a man. You know, you look at what he.

[A]

Played professional football for the Green Bay.

[B]

Packers, University of Nevada, Reno, to ever.

[C]

Break a 400 by 400. 1969, the Pita Grand.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And that's amazing to me because you think about it, 1969, he did it then. And then Phil Kiner and Phil Kiner something.

[C]

Phil Connor did it in 94.

[B]

Where was it?

[C]

93 or 94? And then he did it in Spanish. And then he did it at. At Colorado or. He did at Colorado first, I think.

[A]

And I'm not taking it.

[B]

And.

[C]

Oh, no, at Ray Stafford's old club.

[A]

Not going to take anything away from Phil because obviously. But what I'm saying is, is the amount of time in between those things. Club differences, too.

[C]

I mean, you look at 93 to 69, 24 years.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, it was guns.

[C]

Absolutely handfuls.

[B]

But then look what Freehold everything. Yeah.

[C]

I mean, folks. And this is the greatest thing is, you know, and that's why we want to try to get every top shooter. Legend.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Anybody you think of on the show.

[A]

That's why we had Rich come back twice.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Filler legend, killer legend.

[A]

We just, we're trying to find more.

[C]

In his own mind. No, but seriously, the. The people. A lot of people don't know about the pita.

[B]

No, no. And it's a good group of people up in the Northwest. And a lot of them shoot. We cross over. I shoot. Yeah, I shoot a lot of, you know, ata pita, they fly the same.

[C]

And I should have brought it. I did get my 27 yard pin in the pita because I won the heat or tied for the handicap that first day. I died for it.

[B]

You lost.

[C]

No, I tied, tied. I lost the shoot off, but I tied, tied.

[B]

Who do you lose to? It's hard for him to say that. The funny part is at that shoot. This is the funniest part about him as a competitor. And it is. He can. He just can't. But he. One thing. When it's your business to shoot, he knows where everybody's at. We pulled the trigger on the last shot. He said, you got me in the handicap I got you in the high overall. I got you by a target. Got me by a target here. He knows where everybody's at. Fire at all times, and it's all ready to go. And I went. He did get me in the high overall, which I wanted. The.

[C]

The HOA is the most important.

[B]

Yeah, you want that.

[A]

It always is when you got off.

[C]

No, it doesn't matter.

[B]

It's.

[C]

You want to win the.

[B]

How it was outright. We finished the handicap, and he says, I got you on the hoa. You got me in the handicap. And I thought I needed one more target to tie, and I couldn't find it.

[A]

Yeah, but I don't know.

[B]

It was that.

[C]

I don't know how you're gonna do.

[A]

On 40 targets against Ricky Marshall.

[B]

Exactly. That's a tough one.

[A]

He's a big bear.

[B]

You don't want to. You don't want to poke him.

[C]

Like Dave said, don't poke. Don't poke the bear.

[A]

I mean, what I love about talking with you, Rich, is we. We hit so many people. We hit.

[C]

Absolutely.

[A]

We hit orlick, we hit Kelly, we hit this. And all these stories and like for you, there's a lot of history stories. We just sit here and talk stories.

[C]

We can talk about when Rich used to come to Florida, his folks, he used to live on a golf course. His golf game.

[B]

I said I was an athlete. I'm horrible.

[A]

And he's worse.

[B]

That game is stupid.

[C]

As. We just had Bryson DeChambeau on the.

[B]

On the stream.

[C]

Listen, if you're listening, Bryson, we. We get you on the show. We were watching you all day in these long drives and the. These contests.

[A]

Let's see what you can do with a shotgun. Yeah, let's bring it on out.

[C]

Yeah, but no, it. That's the greatest thing about shooting is. And I was just talking to Captain Mark Folden, who is an IDR officer here at Illinois about, like, this is one of the only sports where you can be the number one shooter and you can have a brand new shooter stand next to you and shoot.

[B]

It's unlike any other sports, which. Which I gotta tell you, I'm gonna. All right, now I'm gonna talk about the philosophy of the eta, and I don't think that is quite appropriate. I think that they should be. The ETA should be promoting like the NBA, like the NFL, like pro baseball, your superstars, I believe there should be a grandstand in one through five, shoot together the people that walk up there and say, hey, when is Ricky Marshall and Pat Lamont and whoever's 1 through 5. Dagan, Dagan Voightman, Ryan. Ryan. All the best of our sport. You get first crack at them and you get to watch it at this spot. They can tell you you're dressed appropriately, you're sponsored, and people can watch it. It promotes our sport. I think that we've missed that. Any sport promotes the, promotes their very best or top.

[C]

Yeah. And we talked about it on the.

[B]

Podcast and I think that, that we shoot and I'm going to go off on this all American stuff. We're all all Americans. Okay. I'm a sub vet. You guys are open. We've all been captains and Junior Gold and Junior Captain Junior what if you think about it though, and I'm not bagging on the ATA because I know it's, it's, it's our group and when we love it. But other than the ego and some sponsorship and some things that way, why wouldn't you be shooting for a slot to have premier or best times at the Grand American? What's the benefit of going to all this stuff if you can't? I think it would be appropriate to possibly get a better squad slot group. See the best.

[C]

We talked about that, Rich.

[B]

A little bit.

[C]

And, and I agree. I say, hey, okay, fine. However it's laid out, if you're number.

[B]

One, you get post one. Unless you don't want it. I want to shoot two, I want to shoot three. But the next guy, the second guy goes, what?

[C]

Here's the deal. And I understand kind of both ways now. I'm fortunate, you know, I mean, your son, Richard Shock. Yeah, of course. Great individual. Unlike his father, folks. Just, you know, I think he's all right. He is a good kid. But, you know, and so I've been fortunate, you know, my youngest son shoots Tyler, and it's great to be able to shoot with him standing right next to me.

[B]

Absolutely.

[C]

Now, Tyler's, you know, an all American shooter. You know, today's his birthday, so happy birthday, buddy. He's turned 18. So I told him, rent's due, no more free ride. Where's the rent? He said, yeah, but mom said. Mom does kind of run that side. Thanks, Jody.

[A]

We love you.

[C]

But you know, but seriously, I do get the sides of that. But as far as a business aspect and business point of the ata, I think they should do something like that. Let's try this. You know the NSCA National Sporting Clinic.

[A]

They put all the top shooters on squads. You could watch them.

[C]

However, all this group, you're the top five. You're Shooting together. This is your start time. The, the second five. This is your start time now. So what'd that do? They televised it. They put it on YouTube.

[B]

It's promoting our sport. Yeah, I was in, I was sitting in here and I'm, I'm kind of getting animated about this, but I was sitting in the OR up at the events pavilion and I watched a couple come up that were shooters. And they asked, this was four or five years ago, they said, wow, where is Harlan Campbell shooting at the time? Harlan was our number one guy. He was the captain. He was the guy that everybody. And they looked around and I remember thinking to myself, this has got to be fixed. Where is he shooting? We would like to go watch him. And the information, the group right there couldn't say. He's on trap field 17 at 2 o'. Clock. And you know how it works. We're looking at a on deck board. Well, he might be. We should be able to say where our very best are shooting and pointing the fans, the people that want and promote it.

[C]

And this is a shout out for the ata.

[A]

People would sit back and say, okay, I want to watch.

[B]

So we're working during the year at all these satellite grands, at all these state shoots and all this stuff, you should be working to put yourself in a position to where at the grand you're in a better position to win one of those rings. Yeah, it's no different than the FedEx cup, the NBA playoffs. All this stuff it's funneling say for the all around.

[C]

There's no 400 targets on. They say folks, this what is. You got your squad, you shoot with, that's fine. But when it comes down to the.

[B]

The 400, if you want to get.

[C]

Involved, this is what it is. Now if you, if you step out, well then you're not eligible. I just, I don't know if I.

[B]

Look at it and I say any good shooter would want those slots because if, if you could make that the premier fields the best where the best of the best.

[A]

Well, I think that's the secret. Make the premier fields the premier times. But right now the way it is is when you go on a pre squad.com it's a fight to get anything and then half of the squads are blocked off because. Blocked off for the people that already blocked it off that are. That are with the ata, the ec. And I'm not against the ec but like you got to ask yourself question. The reason why you give preferential treatment to the EC is so that you can say okay, these guys can make their meeting or they can do this or that. Well, there's one meeting. Right. It's not like that matters for the whole week. And then to say, okay, you got banks 9 through 13 and they're completely blocked out. And there's no one that can get on there that's a shooter. It doesn't make sense to me. And this is the world championships. I mean, why wouldn't you leave it open and let everybody fight for those spots? If it's. It's gonna be open, do it that way. That's the most fair. Not, you know, you log on. I mean, how many people have logged on to Pre squad or the ataspresquad.com and half of the squads are already booked and blocked off before we even start.

[C]

Absolutely.

[B]

Yeah. I guess the whole point of it is, is you want to promote your stars. And I don't think that. And Ricky, you brought it up. The guy that just started shooting, and God bless him, we need every one of them. We can get all of them.

[A]

They keep the sport alive.

[B]

I have a hard time with the guy that just came into the sport shooting, standing next to Michael Jordan. And I'm not saying you're Michael Jordan.

[C]

No, trust me.

[A]

But I can't.

[C]

But I like Michael Jordan. I wish I did.

[B]

But not even the original.

[C]

Original.

[B]

Well, there, there. But you, you. And you guys are missing my point.

[C]

No, no, I know.

[B]

I just feel that for the betterment of our sport, to promote it, the best of the best being shown off. And I'm not saying show, you know, that they're out there. It's showing with all of them standing against each other. Who. The very best.

[C]

Here's the deal. Let me. Let me just bring up a point. So a few weeks ago, we were at Wisconsin State.

[B]

Chief. Yeah.

[C]

And I used to go to Wisconsin years ago when it was in Waukesha.

[B]

That's where the original.

[C]

They used the Waukesha Gun Club. That was their home grounds. And I was shooting. It was me, Randy Ross, Mitchell Loveless.

[B]

We've shown Gary Mitchell. Yeah.

[C]

Which Jerry Mitchell was married to or was dating Della McClure.

[B]

Yeah. Okay. Montana.

[C]

And you know, he's passed away and I think is. I. I don't. I haven't seen. Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, he did.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Well, we had a gentleman that needed a spot. The one year. Now, that year, though, my. Actually it was me. And I know Mike Buster was shooting with me and Jerry Mitchell, and I can't remember. I think it was Mitchell maybe. But Anyways, this gentleman was a wheelchair shooter.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And he is still around and I'm sorry, I don't remember your name, but he had no control of body temperature and it's hot, so he had to have a towel soaked, cold, sitting on his legs and everything. And he shot with us. And I waited till he shot, loaded his gun, then I called Paul and I broke 200 straight following it and his friends and stuff. And he thanked me like, hey, you know, we know who you are. And I said, hey, we get it.

[B]

We understand what's going on.

[C]

However, now you go to what you're talking about, Rich. Okay, so. But it is good to see that because that, you know, is a memory for people, which is good.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But as far as to grow the sport, I think in the technology and the world we're in now, in the era doing what you talked about where saying, hey, you go into the Grand American and this is your placement on the all American team. This is your squad.

[A]

Well, I think that it's cool because you earn the slots and then you can't, you know, if you want to shoot with Ricky Marshall, okay, you better be good because you're not going to get to shoot with Ricky Marshall if you ain't good.

[B]

And.

[A]

The top of 12 guys, I mean, if you look at it, okay, these are the, you know, first team, the first 10, first team all American.

[B]

You go all the way down.

[C]

Absolutely.

[B]

They're shooting the third squad. Yeah, the sub vets. The sub vets. The sub vets are. But I. But you might have made this. Hey, you might have a sub, sub vets.

[A]

Which is the problem is I wouldn't be able to shoot with you.

[C]

Hey, when I turn 55, I'm gonna shoot something. You know why? You know what, I'm gonna do it, folks. To be rich. No, no, he'll be out of sub by then.

[B]

So, yeah, 10 years younger. I'll be 60 in a month.

[A]

Okay, that's hard for me to say, Owens, that 65.

[C]

65.

[B]

65.

[C]

So wait, one instance.

[B]

September 55 is the date.

[C]

Yeah, I know. But you know what? I hope we are. I hope we are, folks. We will bet. And I'll own that insurance. I will be there. So, Rich, all richest partners out there, the principals, I will be the new principal.

[B]

They'll want you to buy some stock.

[C]

But no, it's, you know, I said, you know what, I'm excited. Remember we said to Sean like, hey, he's like, I don't know if I'm.

[B]

Ready to do it.

[C]

I said, why not?

[B]

I waited three years and I wish.

[C]

I would know absolutely why not.

[B]

You find out. You say to yourself, I'm still tough enough to compete. And you, you can and you do.

[C]

Listen, I grew up as a sub junior shooter. A junior shooter. There's a reason junior goal.

[B]

I griped. I'm the first one to say I griped about the ETA putting in junior gold and lady one and sub vets thinking we're adding cost. We're doing all this stuff, but at the end of the day, you're, you're getting a little bit older. Well, and you guys at being.

[C]

Look at our age group in the, in this sport.

[B]

The.

[C]

Actually the veterans and senior veterans probably.

[B]

Are the largest demographic group. Okay.

[C]

And you know what? Listen, we're here at the world championships, prelim week.

[B]

It.

[C]

It's, you know, we got a great, great attendance going on.

[A]

Heck yeah.

[B]

Looks like. It looks like everything.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. The weather's good.

[B]

I mean, hey, hey, today, that first day. I'm from Nevada, you guys. With this humidity, there's a reason why the west. People, folks, no bugs, no humidity, 300 days of blue sky, no frizzy hair. My wife, thank God, came west from Virginia when she did because. But I gotta tell you, I don't get it why everybody lives here when John. And we're talking to John Slinker, who handles all this stuff for Ricky, our producer. The producer. We live out west and the weather's a lot nicer than anything.

[C]

You get a lot of wind out there.

[B]

Well, yeah, but you just deal with it. It's a light P. Like we deal with the humidity.

[A]

Too many stupid people out there.

[B]

I thought I got mouth breathers over there. I thought I got hit by a blowtorch. He'll be in Missouri here in a minute.

[C]

Is such a nice lady. Yes, I, I think Lori. I, I don't know how she puts up with you.

[B]

She's a lucky woman. So where in this whole thing, do you guys want to wrap anything up or do you want to.

[A]

That's usually my job.

[B]

Is it? Well, well, the only reason is I'm getting a little bit older. And I'll be honest with you, not so much it's a ribbon. It's more about.

[C]

Are we done yet?

[A]

That's what he's trying to say, Rich. This is my job. I cue the show. But it is time to wrap it up.

[C]

It is. We've had enough of you.

[B]

All right, so.

[A]

So that being said, we appreciate everyone. We got the info. Infamous rboa. Infamous rboa, also known in the pit hall of fame.

[C]

I mean, that is cool. We congratulate you.

[B]

Thank you, guys.

[A]

It's quite a great job. It's.

[B]

It's.

[A]

I. I know you thanked everyone last time. Is there any last words in parting that you'd like to say?

[B]

Rich, you know, I just love all the shooters. I enjoy the competition, but I like seeing the people. And I know you guys do, too.

[C]

Absolutely.

[A]

We love it.

[C]

That's what it's about.

[B]

At the end of the day, we. We have fun with.

[C]

Not about just the shooting. It's mainly about the camaraderie.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

And everything.

[A]

So we love it. Well, absolutely. You heard it here, folks. RB08, he's the man. He knows what he's talking about.

[C]

Pita Grand Pacific hall of fame. He's even got a grand.

[A]

Grand slam.

[C]

He does have a great.

[B]

Do you have one? That's another one. They just shoot.

[A]

Shamed me.

[B]

Shoot. Don't shoot. Shame.

[C]

Not nice.

[B]

We shouldn't shoot. Shame.

[C]

But that's right. But we. It's fun.

[A]

Tune in next Friday. Thank you for listening. Like Share, Subscribe, Comment. Send us your messages. Wear your trap dog gear, your towels.

[C]

We appreciate everyone coming in here getting their merch and listen, folks, remember, show up at the Nevada State trap shoot 7:77. You're going to get rich. A special event.

[A]

We got rich. I'm going.

[C]

You're going.

[A]

Joey Charcoal, Herbert Lewis. I mean, John Sleeker. It's going to be like a hall of fame shoot. I mean, everybody's there.

[C]

It's going to be a good time.

[A]

We'll see you there. Thanks for tuning in.

[C]

Good luck, everyone.

[A]

Be safe.