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Foreign hey, this is Dan Runcy. Welcome to the Traffic podcast. Today's pod is an audio version of the most recent essay from Traffitl, which is all about Tyler the Creator. I think he's one of the most interesting people in hip hop. Not just in his music, not just in his personality, but how he's gone about building his business. It's one of the more unique, unique business models, but I think a lot of the things he has done have now become mainstream in culture, but when he was initially doing them it wasn't perceived that way. So let's get right into it. How Tyler the Creator Built a Cult like following Tyler's greatest creation is the loyal fan base that's been riding with him for over a decade. Tyler the Creator's grammar victory still feels ironic. The the self proclaimed outcast earned the most mainstream award possible. He did it in rap, a genre he's repeatedly distanced himself from. He did it with a history of problematic lyrics and a fuck you try me attitude to cancel culture. But his Best Rap album award was met with widespread praise from both day ones and new fans. The 29 year old's greatest creation isn't his award winning albums, eclectic fashion show or one of a kind music festival. It's his cult like following that makes it all possible. Since he started his career as a teenager, he's been a symbol for those who were ignored by hip hop. Those fans have rewarded him with the utmost support, an addressable market that was ignored in 2007. Tyler the Creator's Odd Future collective was born. In the early days, the group's Tumblr and YouTube pages were its gateways to the world. Fans got a behind the scenes view on the wild antics from Tyler, Frank Ocean, Earl Sweatshirt, Sid Taco and others. Here's a quote from the Face on how Tumblr strengthened Odd future's connection with fans. The genius of Odd Future's Tumblr page was how it made you feel like one of the family. You had a front row seat and got to watch as the group slept on each other's floors, dealt with dodgy promoters and and humbly ate french fries together at a diner. This meant that by the time they did their first TV performance, or when Tyler won a VMA and Frank won a Grammy, the Day one Tumblr followers felt like they had gone on the same journey and each had a personal stake in the success. Backstage content wasn't new to hip hop. Roc, a fella's 2000 backstage documentary is still a revered classic But Odd Future spoke to a different group. Hip hop was always known for its idolized archetypes. Even in the rat blog era, there was a certain type of artist that got covered by sites like nah right and 2 Dope Boyz. And it definitely wasn't Tyler. Odd Future was for the people who watched Aqua Teen Hunger Force and played non sport video games. As Tyler once put it, his brand is for the people who go to Taco Bell or make an illegal deal that they should not be doing. Would that audience get targeted by Vanity Fair? No chance, but it's still a valuable group. Businesses often confuse what's sexy with what's profitable, and it's often the exact opposite. Trends attract competition, so there's less money to go around. The best moves are often where others aren't looking. Tyler has a not everyone is accepted everywhere and that's fine mentality that has served him well in both life and business. The right opportunities, not the biggest ones. As Tyler's profile grew, the opportunities did as well. In 2011, Tyler dropped Yonkers. The wild music video was a breakthrough sensation that took Odd Future to new heights. It caught the attention of Rick Ross, who wanted Tyler on Maybach Music Group. At the time, Crew was on top. The Miami rapper was dead set on growing the squad with the hottest artists possible. But Tyler didn't even take his call. Here's Tyler's friend and Diamond Supply co founder Nick diamond, who told the story to Complex. Rick Ross called me out of nowhere and was like, yo, what's up with Odd Future? I want to talk to that Tyler kid. I want to sign him. It was funny cause when he called me, Tyler was actually in the store standing next to me. So I was like, rick Ross wants to talk to you. Tyler goes, I don't want to talk to Rick Ross. I was like, dude, just fucking talk to him. And he was like, nah, I can't talk right now.
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So I didn't put him on the phone, end quote.
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If Tyler joined mmg, his popularity could have soared, but it also would have peaked early. And plus, can you imagine Tyler the creator suited up Mafioso style rapping next to a Maybach. Tyler eventually signed a distribution deal with Columbia Records, where he maintains control and his creative vision. This mentality extended to his merch strategy. Here's what Tyler said about golf weighing his apparel company in a Billboard interview. I don't want it to be like fucking Rockawear or, I don't know, a lot of things that come and go. That's why I Don't give out free clothes to famous people. That actually could be the worst thing possible if famous people wore Golf Wang.
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He doubled down on this in a Vogue interview when he said, I'd rather sell 20 T shirts to people who actually want it. If I don't, I don't ever want people over my brand like Ed Hardy or Von Dutch.
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According to Tyler, his Golf Wang Apparel company made $17 million in revenue in 2018. It took seven years to get there, but the company's seasonal drops continue to gain traction. The last place Tyler wants to see his clothes is on a TJ Maxx clearance rack, the home for once popular brands that got too excited and flooded the market. Brands that rise and fall quickly don't sell on loyalty. They sell on ephemeral popularity. Their customers buy because they want what's in, not because of the brand itself. Meanwhile, lasting brands take time to build, but the rewards are often greater. In the article itself, I included a link to Tyler's fashion show for Golf Wang, which if you haven't seen one of these things, you should definitely check it out. Build the community, Sell the lifestyle with his engaged following, Tyler extended the brand quickly. In 2012, he started a show on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim called Loiter Squad. That year, he also launched his music festival Camp Flog NAA Carnival. In 2013, Golf Wang had already teamed up with Vans. By then, Odd Future had already boosted Supreme's popularity and had an informal relationship with the streetwear brand. Tyler's 2013 plan is an aspirational target that today's artists still strive for. He had the content, production partnerships in person, events and merch. The only thing left was a podcast deal. But unlike other artists, Tyler wasn't driven by financial gain. He truly enjoys building stuff. Rap is so limiting, he says. I'm interested in everything, he told LA magazine. He's hands on with almost everything he does. He writes and produces most of his music. He designs his own clothes. He it's a difficult business to scale, but that's not necessarily the point. His curiosity is a driving force to do what others won't. The first Camp Flag Nag Carnival only had 2000 fans. Many musicians wouldn't put that much work in for an event that could only gross around $100,000 in ticket revenue. But the small crowd was a blessing in disguise. Those attendees were fully decked out in golf weighing apparel. The they set the tone for a crowd that has steadily grown to nearly 50,000 fans. Community building is a hot topic for creators. One of the most common tips is to start with a small group, ensure that those members gain value and slowly scale from there. Camp Vlog NA is a great case study for this. In 2015, the festival expanded to multiple stages. The next year it expanded to multiple days. And in 2019 the community was powerful enough to boo Drake off stage. It's both ridiculous and impressive. Drake wouldn't even get booed at a Kanye west concert, and Kanye can't stand him. Tyler fans don't dislike the Toronto rapper. The crowd wanted Frank Ocean. They thought they were getting Frank Ocean, but the last thing they wanted to hear was Ratchet Happy Birthday. It was a rough moment for Drake, but it speaks to what Tyler has built Evolving to reach the next generation as communities grow, they start to divide. In music, the split happens when day ones separate from newer fans. For Tyler, the early signs came long before the success of his albums Igor or flower Boy. In 2015, a since deleted viral Reddit post titled I'm Done with Tyler complained that Tyler's Cherry Bomb album posted moved away from the darker vibes of his earlier work. Tyler came back with a 900 word response. He sympathized with the fan's relationship with 2011 Tyler, but stood behind his evolution. When you have a favorite artist, you tend to grasp onto an era. Trust me, I do that with the artists I love. But I also know they grow and see things and change and mature and all of that. I'm sorry I'm not in the same place to talk about those things.
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Most artists would have ignored the haters or sicced their fans on them. Tyler's nuanced response helped bridge the divide. Sure, he lost some fans since the Odd Future mixtape days, but he's still himself.
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He's officially mainstream. He may hate that designation, but if he's winning an award from the Wall Street Journal, he's mainstream. This recent wave of success may seem like the antithesis of Odd Future, but it fulfills one of Tyler's ultimate goals. Here's what he told GQ in a 2018 it's still a piece of me that not only wants to be on the radio, but it's probably some 11 year old in the middle of fucking nowhere who might hear a song look me up and get introduced to a whole world. And that could change everything he's into for the rest of his life.
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When tyler was an 11 year old in the middle of LA county, he looked up to Pharrell Williams and Andre 3000. Those guys changed him for the rest of his life, Tyler knows he's in position to do the same for others. Radio play is a vehicle to reach those 11 year olds. So is performing at Madison Square Garden. So is performing at the Grammys and everything in between. By extending his reach, he continues to grow the fanbase. Unlike his peers, Tyler's fans don't have some cutesy names. They're not the Ragers or the Barbs. Those are all clever tokens. But that stuff doesn't make a fanbase. A fanbase is made by the feeling it creates with the audience. Tyler's fans have had that feeling for years, and that's not changing anytime soon.
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