Girl Date with Elle Orlando & Ali Macofsky

Summary

Trash Tuesday w/ Esther Povitsky & Khalyla Kuhn

Episode: Girl Date with Elle Orlando & Ali Macofsky
Date: May 5, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode is a classic "Trash Tuesday" hang with hosts Esther Povitsky & Khalyla Kuhn, joined by comedians Elle Orlando and Ali Macofsky for a self-described "Girl Date." The conversation spans everything from festival misadventures, assaulting admin days, hygiene quirks, and dating disasters, to the psychology of jealousy, motherhood, and a game of hypothetical girl date activities.
True to the pod's vibe, the tone is irreverent, raw, deeply personal, and hilarious, as all four women recount cringey stories and share honest insights into their personal lives and relationships.

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Main Topics & Key Insights

1. Guest Intros & Backstories

(01:16–02:43)

• Elle Orlando is introduced as an up-and-coming comedian from Libertyville, Illinois (not Orlando, FL), with a family background in Florida and Italian roots. There's playful banter about her last name and regional identities.
• Notable Moment:
  "I look like I've never left here but totally Libertyville." — Elle Orlando (02:07)

2. Coachella Antics & Elle’s Arrest Story

(03:14–09:33)

• The group discusses the difference between Coachella weekends, with weekend two branded as the "locals’ favorite" and a better celebrity drop-in spot.
• Elle tells a wild story about being handcuffed for “fake ID” at 26, with the police only realizing her ID was real after nearly calling her conspiracy-theorist mom (“She thought it was a scam!” – 08:54).
• Notable Quote:
  "If you don't let us arrest you, I'm going to use force... You're going to use a bat on me?" — Elle Orlando (07:11)

3. Family, Plastic Surgery Mishaps & Admin Days

(09:53–12:50)

• Elle’s mom is recovering from a botched boob job ("He put her boobs in upside down." – 10:10). Hilarity ensues.
• Introduction of the concept of a “Girl’s Admin Day”: women gathering to tackle adulting tasks together for emotional support (11:08).
• Quote: "I need someone to witness my grievances. I don't want to suffer alone." — Ali Macofsky (11:29)

4. Hygiene Habits & Confessions

(17:44–21:30)

• The group discusses various ass-washing routines, from showers after every poop to the use of cups and portable bidets.
• Elle admits to only recently learning about body wash (“I thought it was optional!” – 19:14), sparking jokes about natural “clean” people.
• Quote:
  "If your breath doesn't smell and you don't smell, I don't really care what you do in your shower." — Elle Orlando (21:15)

5. Dating, BO, and the “Scent Test”

(21:30–25:08)

• Stories swap about exes with strong body odor and theories about biological compatibility.
• Elle details dating a “nationally ranked Donkey Kong” gamer who had a Japanese fetish—drawing lines between romantic “icks” and quirk attraction.
• Discussion of dating men who prefer or have only dated Asian women: “He doesn't deserve to smell good because he fetishizes.” — Esther Povitsky (22:43)

6. Gaming Boyfriends: Red & Green Flags

(25:10–26:24)

• The “Donkey Kong vs. Call of Duty” boyfriend debate: Donkey Kong is deemed “cute,” but shoot-'em-ups are red flags.
• Quote: "There are levels to the game. Right? You have guys that literally scream at each other all day..." — Esther Povitsky (24:26)

7. Jealousy Among Women: TikTok Discourse & Real Talk

(30:51–39:47)

• In-depth discussion about a viral TikTok where a woman confesses being jealous of her friend. Hosts debate if honesty about jealousy makes it okay ("Low key, you were a bad energy in your friend's life for a while" – 34:30).
• The group agrees jealousy is normal, especially in show business, but if it persists, it can lead to subconscious sabotage.
• Notable Quotes:
  • "If you’re that jealous of your friend, that's not your friend; you're secretly trying to destroy them." — Elle Orlando (34:25)
  • "Comics, doctors, teachers—everyone's jealous of at least one peer." — Esther Povitsky (37:56)

8. Self-Downplaying Achievements & “Be Careful Who You Share Good News With”

(39:47–41:26)

• Open chat about minimizing success to avoid negative reactions (“Now I'm like, I'm not doing that anymore! I'm allowed to be excited for things that I'm excited about.” – Ali Macofsky 40:23)
• Esther points out the need for celebrating achievements even if others react poorly.

9. Ex-Jealousy & Comparing Yourself Online

(42:15–43:45)

• Relatable moment: Esther shares that she used to stalk her partner’s exes, then look at her own Instagram grid “through their eyes,” to reassure herself (42:36).
  • "Do men do this level of psycho-check? I hope not!" — Esther Povitsky (43:45)

10. Motherhood & Attitudes Toward Having Kids

(61:00–63:28)

• Elle says she’d like to be a “cool, best-friend mom” with the right partner.
• Esther opens up about regretting her former childfree rhetoric and asks that people—especially women—show kindness toward mothers and children.
• Quote:
  "People who don't like kids and who are anti-mother are actually misogynists." — Esther Povitsky (62:09)

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Notable Moments & Quotes

Festival Fiasco (Coachella Arrest)

[07:10] Elle Orlando:
"And then this woman comes up with a bat, and she's like, if you don't let us arrest you, like, I'm going to use force. And I'm like, you fucking cunt against me. Woman versus woman. You're going to use a bat on me?"

Jealousy & Friendship

[34:25] Elle Orlando:
“If you're that jealous of your friend, that's not your friend and you're secretly trying to destroy them.”

[33:56] Ali Macofsky:
"Twinge of jealousy is normal, but if it's your friend, you need to reflect before that resentment leaks out."

Downplaying Success

[40:23] Ali Macofsky:
“I’m not doing that anymore. I’m allowed to be excited for things that I’m excited about. How people react is only a reflection of them.”

Dating/Exes

[44:56] Esther Povitsky:
"It also speaks highly of you if that's his bar. If all his exes are hot and smart, you must be the prize."

Hygiene Revelations

[21:15] Elle Orlando:
“If your breath doesn't smell and you don't smell, I don't really care what you do in your shower.”

Motherhood & Regrets

[62:09] Esther Povitsky:
"I regret being that girl. People who don't like kids and who are anti-mother are actually misogynists."

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Girl Dates, Physical Quirks & More

Girl Date Activity Breakdowns

(72:25–77:00)

• The hosts list out their favorite “girl date” ideas, including open houses, dual cleaning parties (“I love a dual clean. Fresh sheets at the end of the day, there's nothing better.” – Esther, 76:48), pottery classes, and beach days.
• They veto walking four miles (“That sounds like a poop my pants situation.” – Ali, 73:57) and suffer through the pros and cons of sweating together outdoors.

Tall People Parties & Vibe-Checking Physicality

(58:08–60:40)

• Tall people parties are now a NYC trend (tall girls = 5’8”+, tall men = 6’1”+).
  • "I qualify to be a tall girl!" — Ali Macofsky (58:08)
• Height “ick” debate: Esther is anti-huge guys (“My maximum is like 6'2"; above that I don't want to see you naked.” – 60:08), Ali wants a “freak height” boyfriend for attention.

Hypermobile Party Tricks & Medical Oddities

(78:01–80:10)

• Demonstrations of weird finger/toe flexibility.
  • “Wow. The things I can do with my toes is crazy!” — Elle Orlando (78:45)

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Deep Dives

When to Celebrate Yourself (and When It Backfires)

• Hosts admit playing down wins due to either social anxiety or not wanting to trigger jealousy.
• Recognize the need for healthy pride and choosing the right people to share achievements with.

Jealousy in Women’s Friendships

• The viral TikTok prompts real discussion: Is admitting jealousy virtuous, or toxic to friendships?
• Key insight: Jealousy among peers is normal, but if it dominates a friendship, it’s time to step back.

Motherhood Perspectives

• Broad reflection on attitudes toward childfree living, mom "guilt," and respecting mothers—underscoring the show's willingness to revisit and revise past stances.

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Final Girl Date Roundtable

(72:25–77:44)

• The group runs through possible girl date ideas, riffing on what makes for a fun, low-stress hang:
  • Open houses, cleaning days, pottery classes, beach time, brunch, and walks (as long as it's not 4 miles).
  • Activity comfort level is highly personal: “I'm just not a mall girl.” — Esther Povitsky (73:22)
• Quote:
  “You walk until you’re done talking shit.” — Elle Orlando (74:47)

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Episode Highlights by Timestamp

• [03:14–09:33] Coachella Mishaps & Elle Arrested
• [11:08] Admin Day Concept
• [17:00] Hygiene Habits Reveal
• [21:10] Cleanliness by Looks
• [30:51–39:47] Jealousy and TikTok Debate
• [39:47–41:26] Downplaying Success
• [44:56] Ex Comparison Mindset
• [61:00–63:28] Motherhood & Childfree Regrets
• [72:25–77:00] Girl Date Activities
• [78:01–80:10] Party Tricks & Hypermobility

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Conclusion

This episode embodies the typical Trash Tuesday experience: a late-night feel, funny, boundary-pushing honesty, and space for women’s personal revelations. By the end, the audience feels like they’ve just spent two unfiltered hours at an LA sleepover with sharp, self-aware comedians dissecting the messier corners of life, hygiene, mothers, and friendship.

For fans or newcomers, it’s a goldmine of candid girl talk, unlikely confessions, and the absolute weirdness of modern womanhood.

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Upcoming Shows:

• Ali Macofsky: Denver, Charlotte, Chicago, Detroit, San Diego (AliMakofsky.com)
• Elle Orlando: Portsmouth, Boston, Fort Worth, Houston, Vermont (with Michael Kosta)

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Transcript

[Ali Makofsky]

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[Esther Povitsky]

7 Life Support.

[Ali Makofsky]

If the hot tub's broken, that's a verbo care thing.

[Esther Povitsky]

If my teenager starts calling me Leslie,

[Ali Makofsky]

that's a family thing. Leslie, Verbo Care and 24.

[Elle Orlando]

7 Life Support.

[Ali Makofsky]

If you know you've ERBO terms, apply seeverbo.comtrust for details.

[Elle Orlando]

Whoa, dude.

[Esther Povitsky]

Oh, yours are pretty wide too.

[Elle Orlando]

Oh my God. The things I can do with my toes is crazy. Show us.

[Host/Moderator]

Do you have it? Thank you.

[Ali Makofsky]

Geez, this video is going to get so many views.

[Elle Orlando]

Look at this.

[Esther Povitsky]

The separation.

[Elle Orlando]

Oh, yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

It's getting a little weird.

[Ali Makofsky]

Come see me on tour. I'm gonna be at the Comedy Works downtown in Denver, Colorado, May 21st through 24th. And then I'll be in Charlotte, North Carolina, June 4th through 6. I'll be in Chicago, Illinois, October 1st through 3rd, and Detroit, Michigan, San Diego. Go to allymikofsky.com to see where else I'll be performing and get tickets.

[Esther Povitsky]

Bye.

[Elle Orlando]

What up? I'm gonna be in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, June 3rd. Comedy Studio in Boston, June 4th, and then Fort Worth, Texas, June 19th through the June 20th. Okay, so come on out to a show. It's gonna be so fun.

[Host/Moderator]

We have our favorite in house, young, cool girl, Ali Makofsky.

[Ali Makofsky]

Thank you. I'm terrified for when you find a younger, cooler girl.

[Elle Orlando]

Impossible.

[Host/Moderator]

And then today, for our first time,

[Esther Povitsky]

we have this cute, young, cool girl

[Host/Moderator]

that I met in New York right before I became a mom, when I was a cool, cute, young girl.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

And we're like, oh my God, we're both so pretty. Welcome, Elle. Orlando.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yay.

[Host/Moderator]

She's a hilarious stand up comedian.

[Esther Povitsky]

Oh my God.

[Elle Orlando]

Thanks, guys.

[Host/Moderator]

On the street, outside of a show.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

In the wild.

[Elle Orlando]

No, no. Barbershop shop.

[Ali Makofsky]

Oh, fine. You knew.

[Host/Moderator]

Cuz I don't remember any of the names of anything.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah, yeah. There's so many. And then. And then also you told me you're from. We're like from the same area.

[Host/Moderator]

Wait, where are you from?

[Elle Orlando]

I'm from Libertyville.

[Ali Makofsky]

You're an Illinois girl?

[Host/Moderator]

I'm.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah, I know. So randomly I look like I've never left here, but totally Libertyville.

[Host/Moderator]

It's like it's out there.

[Elle Orlando]

It. It's out there. I mean, I think so. Like my. My family originally is from Florida and I was born your last name. And my last name's Orlando. Y. It's, it's.

[Host/Moderator]

Did your dad Orlando.

[Elle Orlando]

No. I wish. I wish he was Disney. World. No, he. It's Italian. Orlando's Italian. It's actually like, a really popular Italian last name, but, like, in it Italy, I guess no one's named Italian.

[Esther Povitsky]

That makes sense.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah. I also get, like, big ups from the Spanish community because they think I'm Spanish, but I'm not a. Oh, like Lando.

[Esther Povitsky]

Lando is like a lot of my Filipino, like, old uncles are named Lando. And I know it's like, Spanish.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah, yeah. So if it's a first name, it's Spanish. If it's a last name, it's Italian.

[Ali Makofsky]

I can't picture an Italian person saying Orlando.

[Esther Povitsky]

Orlando, Orlando, Orlando.

[Ali Makofsky]

It's like, not. It's not clocking to me.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Wait. I heard second week of Coachella was. Well, I wasn't. I was there, but I wasn't.

[Host/Moderator]

She faked us out.

[Esther Povitsky]

I faked everyone.

[Elle Orlando]

What do you mean?

[Host/Moderator]

She didn't go?

[Ali Makofsky]

You didn't go?

[Esther Povitsky]

I was there, but I wasn't there. So I went with a whole family. We were in the Airbnb, but I was left behind with my baby, and I gave my. Well, no, everyone's going to be happy to hear this. I. The. The team got artist passes, cuz.

[Ali Makofsky]

Oh, and you're still rocking them. Look at that.

[Host/Moderator]

You guys are animals. You guys just went on a whim.

[Elle Orlando]

You pulled an alley.

[Host/Moderator]

You guys.

[Ali Makofsky]

That's what I did.

[Host/Moderator]

See?

[Ali Makofsky]

Freaks.

[Esther Povitsky]

But not to shit on Weekend One Strokes. But I hear Weekend Two Strokes was even better.

[Ali Makofsky]

Well, here's the thing. Okay, here's the thing.

[Elle Orlando]

You went both.

[Ali Makofsky]

No, no, no, no, no. But here's the thing, Mrs. Orlando, as a California girl, you know, Coachella is a birthright experience. It's like when you're in high school, you must go. It's just something you have to do. Everyone's going, and you're like, I can't be left out. And so I was always a weekend to girl. And I went weekend one this time. And I, like, knew going into it, like, I'm not going to have the same experience as I normally have, because everyone who goes weekend one, they want, like, something. Like, they want to be the first, you know, Like, I'm the first to see it. And so I knew that, like, the performances might be a little bit rusty. Weekend one, right?

[Esther Povitsky]

Warming up. They're all warming up. And also, I do think that the bigger guests come out for weekend.

[Ali Makofsky]

Absolutely.

[Esther Povitsky]

Madonna came out. Not only that, but Sza came out for Justin. She wasn't there. Weekend 1. Olivia Rodrigo came out weekend, too.

[Elle Orlando]

I did Go to Coachella. You did not. Not this year. Like, a long time. Like, I think in 2017, I went.

[Ali Makofsky]

Who was. Who was the headliner?

[Elle Orlando]

Did you say Double X or xx? The Double X we call doa. Yeah, it was them. It was there.

[Ali Makofsky]

Was that when Radio Head was there?

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah, that was a great. That was a Flaming Lips one.

[Elle Orlando]

Maybe Rainbow Surprise was there.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

I fucking tuned the fuck out of these losers.

[Ali Makofsky]

You know what? That's, like, even cooler. Yeah, you are.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

I was counting on you as an Illinois Suburban.

[Elle Orlando]

I know, I know.

[Host/Moderator]

To not know what these things are.

[Elle Orlando]

I. Fudgeing. I know. But then my friends.

[Host/Moderator]

I told you you could do this.

[Elle Orlando]

This is really bad. This is why. Yeah, I'm shady. Whatever. Beating outside my wig weight class right now. But I. I. So I went to Coachella and then. And I got arrested for underage drinking when I was 26 years old. Yeah. Yes. And I was like, yes, thank you, but please, no.

[Ali Makofsky]

Did you just not have, like, a wristband or something?

[Elle Orlando]

No, I had a wrist. I had everything. But at the time, I don't know if the cops still, like, serve the beers at the tents, but at the time, the. The beer tent was served all by cops. And I go up and they. They still ask for your id. So I gave them my id, and it was a Chicago id. And the old Chicago ID looks really fake.

[Ali Makofsky]

Like, I feel like every ID looks fake. Anytime I've ever looked at someone's id, I'm like this. Why are they so flimsy? Yeah, yeah, the graphics are weird.

[Elle Orlando]

I mean, the New York one looks really legit at this point. Like, it. There's like a holograph. There's a. I don't know all that.

[Ali Makofsky]

I'm like, it's fake.

[Elle Orlando]

It's fake. Well, so I give him my id, driver's license. This is the newer one, and that looks more legit than the other one. Literally looks like id, Chief. And so he puts it in a system, and he's like, yeah, this is a fake id. We have to arrest you. And then I'm resisting arrest because I'm like, I'm literally 26. Like, thank you again.

[Ali Makofsky]

Thank you.

[Host/Moderator]

It's literally a real id.

[Elle Orlando]

It's real id. And then this woman comes up with a bat, and she's like, if you don't let us arrest you, like, I'm going to use force. And I'm like, you fucking cunt against me. Woman versus woman. You're going to use a bat on me? So then they Put me in handcuffs.

[Esther Povitsky]

Oh, my God.

[Elle Orlando]

Wait. That's so cool.

[Ali Makofsky]

I want to be put in handcuffs.

[Elle Orlando]

I was so. Like, it. It was kind of like, I think if I. If I wasn't. Who I. Who was I missing? I was missing, I think, cage the elephant or something. I was really pissed off.

[Esther Povitsky]

Coachella is so expensive. Imagine missing the headliner there to see. I know you're 26 and drinking.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah, 100%. So. So hands behind my back, handcuffed up. And he's like, just admit. Just admit that you're lying to me. Like, trying to get me to break. And I'm like, dude, I don't know what. He's like, do you have any other form of ID? I'm like, no. I flew here. Like, you remember 9 11. Like, they're not, like, taking this ID stuff lightly, you know? I got. I got it through tsa. He's asking me, like, what can we do? I'm like, you're the cop. I'm like, I don't. Let's try calling my mom. We call my.

[Host/Moderator]

That's allowed.

[Elle Orlando]

I phone a friend, like a New

[Ali Makofsky]

York, like, street interview. They're like, let's call your mom.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Literally, I tell him to call my mom. But before I do this or after I do do this, I forget that my mom is historically a conspiracy theorist. So of course she didn't believe the phone call. She thought it was a scam. Like, he answered. He's like, hey, like, I have your daughter. She's arrested. You just need to prove her age. My mom was like, what is this?

[Ali Makofsky]

This is a scam.

[Elle Orlando]

You're just trying to steal money from me. I'm like, hang up, hang up, hang up. We gotta call someone else. Like, this is not.

[Host/Moderator]

Can you imagine? Like, you. You. You're holding the knife, the person is bleeding, and you're like, call my mom. I'm innocent. They're like, okay, we'll hear it out. Yeah. Like, why would police allow that?

[Elle Orlando]

I have no idea what happened. So. So then I'm like, hang up the phone. This lady's crazy. And then he's like, oh, I have an idea. We're gonna run it through a computer. The computer was the last idea. And so he's like, oh, I was typing your ID and wrong. So, yeah, you're free to go a cab. Jesus Christ.

[Esther Povitsky]

All for a beer at a festival?

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah, 100%. And then I called my mom, and we. He was, like, driving. The cop was driving the little golf cart. And I kind of told Her. The whole thing. And she was on speakerphone. She's like, oh, what a while. He's.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah, right. Yeah.

[Elle Orlando]

Why? While he was driving.

[Host/Moderator]

Is your mom still in Libertyville?

[Elle Orlando]

She is. She's actually here right now. She got her boobs done, and someone's staying with her.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah, mom, that just got her boobs done.

[Elle Orlando]

Well, she. Yeah. Okay. Well, she had her boobs done, but then the guy put her boobs in upside down. No.

[Ali Makofsky]

Like, did she go back to the same guy?

[Esther Povitsky]

No.

[Elle Orlando]

This was Chicago. Boob job.

[Ali Makofsky]

So Libertyville. I can't imagine people are flocking.

[Host/Moderator]

Not jump to that.

[Elle Orlando]

Like a Highland park boob job. Just. It just didn't go well.

[Ali Makofsky]

You got to come to the coast.

[Elle Orlando]

You got to go job. You got to go to the coast. So she's in Beverly Hills right now, and so she's recovering, and it just happened that we were here on the same weekend.

[Ali Makofsky]

Did she get a refund?

[Elle Orlando]

I feel like if you put the

[Ali Makofsky]

boobs in backwards, it's like, I should get my money back 100%.

[Elle Orlando]

I was like, even more. I'm like, mom, you got to sue that guy.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah.

[Elle Orlando]

100.

[Host/Moderator]

There's a lot of litigious step you've got to approach this episode.

[Ali Makofsky]

We need an admin day. Do you know about this?

[Host/Moderator]

Yes.

[Ali Makofsky]

People are getting together. I've scheduled many an admin day.

[Esther Povitsky]

What's an admin day?

[Ali Makofsky]

So it's like when you get your girls together and you're just hanging out at someone's house and you just do all the, like, stuff that you don't want to do, like paying off tickets.

[Esther Povitsky]

Great idea.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Because the fact that I have to do this alone, begrudgingly on a day, usually it's like a weekend, and it's Sunday, and you already have the. The Sunday scaries. When I could just be around with

[Ali Makofsky]

someone, get a little charcuterie board and.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Ali Makofsky]

And I, like, need someone to witness my grievances. Yeah. I don't want to suffer alone.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah. Even, like, booking flights.

[Ali Makofsky]

Oh, my God.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah. Absolutely. Horrible. Figuring out who to sue.

[Ali Makofsky]

And I feel like there's so many things that I'm, like, stupid about. And so I'm like, if I can just be like, hey, normal, how do you do this?

[Elle Orlando]

Send an email. Can I.

[Ali Makofsky]

How do I send an email? What does BCC mean?

[Esther Povitsky]

Oh, my.

[Elle Orlando]

I just learned BCC recently. I. I did not understand what that was all about.

[Host/Moderator]

Okay.

[Elle Orlando]

And I was just CC in everyone for email list.

[Ali Makofsky]

I think that's fine. Yeah.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

Did you go to college?

[Elle Orlando]

I went to college and I actually. Yeah. And I, I was.

[Host/Moderator]

Did you go in Illinois?

[Elle Orlando]

I went to Indiana University and I used to be like a web developer, but I had no idea how to do email for a long time.

[Host/Moderator]

I'm glad you chose comedy, dude.

[Elle Orlando]

I was a really bad web developer. I will be honest, I kind of cheated my way through that whole system.

[Ali Makofsky]

You're too beautiful to be developing the web.

[Esther Povitsky]

I know, I know.

[Elle Orlando]

Well, that, that was kind of like my scam because they were like, oh, a pretty girl who's a web developer. So I get hired and then I just absolutely fucked their shit up by accident. I mean, I, I wanted to do well, but I mean, tried. I can only do so much.

[Host/Moderator]

Okay. I have a life hack to share. You know how like, we all want, like a little luxury in life. We want to feel good. You want like to enjoy something.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

So you think, like, I need more, right? Like, I need to like buy a new outfit, I need to like go have a nice dinner or whatever. Like, I have the opposite approach. You need less. Oh, hear me out. Yes, as a new mother of two, I am getting a lot less of my needs met. So when I hit my head to the pillow and I go to sleep, it is like orgasmic. It feels so good. When I drink water, it feels so good.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

So I'm just thinking, like, take things away from yourself, get sleep deprived and then sleep and you will feel like a billionaire.

[Elle Orlando]

I agree. You gotta work yourself.

[Host/Moderator]

Be yourself down.

[Elle Orlando]

Be yourself down.

[Host/Moderator]

Hurt yourself to where?

[Elle Orlando]

When you drink water or when you sleep, it's like, I really need this or else I'm gonna die.

[Host/Moderator]

Exactly. It's gonna feel euphoric.

[Esther Povitsky]

This is why I don't trust the taste buds of a dieter. I don't trust someone who restricts themselves so much with over exercising and undereating. And it's because they're so deprived that anything tastes good to them. So when they're like, you have to go there. This tastes like, I will never eat that basic ass chicken salad that you're like, I'm looking at it and she's like, oh, you, you don't like it? I'm like, no, I don't trust you. Because you don't. You don't eat with your chest. You are deprived of food. Like a pile of would taste good to you.

[Host/Moderator]

It's always those super skinny models that are like, oh my God, you have to try this.

[Esther Povitsky]

And you try it and you're like,

[Host/Moderator]

oh, this isn't this is just food.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah, food.

[Esther Povitsky]

You're just hungry. You're just hungry.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

I could feed you a bag of soil and you'd probably devour it and tell everyone on TikTok how great it tastes.

[Ali Makofsky]

100.

[Host/Moderator]

We should do that.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Elle Orlando]

I'm picturing those guys that would go out into the wild. Did you ever watch these TV shows on TLC where a guy just like, goes out into the wild and is like, oh, a berry that won't kill me. It's like. It's like that. Yeah.

[Ali Makofsky]

That is kind of the mindset that you're talking about.

[Host/Moderator]

True. Deprive yourself. Yeah. I'm not promoting anorexia. I know it sounds like it now.

[Ali Makofsky]

No, you're kind of promoting like a third world country mindset.

[Esther Povitsky]

Well, it's just. Okay. As a. As an ex over exerciser, ex bulimic

[Host/Moderator]

girl, ex third world country.

[Esther Povitsky]

Third world country X starve myself to death X Magnesium citrate before Vegas so I could my entire intestines out before a party. X all of that extreme. There was once a time when I thought the greatest food on earth was literally ketchup. Because I was so hungry that I was in Spain with just packets of ketchup. Cuz I was so hungry and I was like, nothing tastes better. And a bag of. Of almonds. I'm like. And I thought this was like the most high cuisine because I was passing away from zero calories.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah, that's why.

[Elle Orlando]

It's horrible.

[Host/Moderator]

I regret bringing this up around you.

[Esther Povitsky]

Very triggering. Very triggering. This is a deep, deep thing.

[Elle Orlando]

Almonds are so dark. Like, if I ever hear.

[Host/Moderator]

They really are.

[Elle Orlando]

If I ever hear someone eating, like, oh, just a handful of almonds for a sec, like there's something seriously wrong.

[Host/Moderator]

There is a story there.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

You should just walk away and not get involved.

[Ali Makofsky]

But you know what? Almonds are a good car snack. Like, I'll leave them in a bag in like the back seat. And then if I'm like, like darkness.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah. Or if you see someone, if someone's like, you want some Chex mix and it's really just all nuts, then I'm like, oh, you have some.

[Elle Orlando]

What's going on?

[Esther Povitsky]

This is not a checks mix.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Where's the crunchy?

[Ali Makofsky]

Well, that's a red flag.

[Esther Povitsky]

No, well, no, they're green flag. Yeah. Macadamia is a green flag because you got the real. Okay.

[Elle Orlando]

Pistachios.

[Ali Makofsky]

And when I say almond, I mean like they're coated in some sort of.

[Elle Orlando]

Oh, yeah. Okay.

[Ali Makofsky]

That's Honey drizzle.

[Elle Orlando]

Like I'm not barbecue sauce. Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah.

[Ali Makofsky]

It's not, like, healthy.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah. Breaded.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yes.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Ali Makofsky]

I'm dipping them in ranch. Yeah.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah. Okay. That's chill. Okay.

[Ali Makofsky]

I just wanted to.

[Host/Moderator]

That's good for you.

[Ali Makofsky]

Okay. Thank you.

[Esther Povitsky]

But I understand what you're saying, because as a new mom, I used to tell myself, oh, I'm just someone who can never sleep before midnight.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

But the moment I'm done giving my baby a shower and I see the pillow, it's like 8:30pm Good night, because I'm so exhausted.

[Elle Orlando]

Wait, you have a baby too?

[Host/Moderator]

I have a baby and you give it a shower?

[Esther Povitsky]

The what?

[Host/Moderator]

You give it a shower?

[Esther Povitsky]

Last night we did, like, a standing shower, but usually it's in a tub. But every night. Yeah, we do bath time.

[Elle Orlando]

Do they need that bath time every night?

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah, because he poops all day. Yeah, he poops all day. You gotta wash the. You gotta watch.

[Ali Makofsky]

I poop all day and I'm not showering every day. Every day. Baby doesn't need shower every day.

[Elle Orlando]

Have you heard of, like, guys who, like, they. I've heard of guy, like grown men where they have to poop every. Or they have to shower every time they poop.

[Host/Moderator]

I have heard of that.

[Esther Povitsky]

I'm the grown man.

[Elle Orlando]

You do that. So every time you poop, you have to. What if there's no shower?

[Esther Povitsky]

Then I get a couple. I get a cup and I wash my ass in public. It doesn't matter if it's on an airplane, at Coachella and a Porta Potty. Everything gets washed every time. But that's a me thing. And I think I have. I get the creepy crawlies around hygiene in regards to my nethers.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

We'll never understand how a cup washes your ass.

[Ali Makofsky]

Like, you have to put your hand. You have to, like.

[Esther Povitsky]

I think you're only saying this because you want to actually see my. In my lips, like, getting washed.

[Elle Orlando]

I kind of do, too. Just because I imagine it would be so clean.

[Esther Povitsky]

It's so clean. It's so clean. But that's. I've always been kind of. I have weird sensory stuff since I was a kid. When it comes to, like, sticky stuff. My butt, my.

[Host/Moderator]

I say that just because I don't have a cup of water doesn't mean I'm not clean.

[Esther Povitsky]

I don't know about that. I don't know about that.

[Elle Orlando]

Well, they have.

[Ali Makofsky]

They have little mini portable bidets now. They do.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Ali Makofsky]

You can just squirt your. Squirt your Hole. Yeah.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah. I did not know about, like, cleaning your ass for, like, a long. It's only in the past, like, three

[Host/Moderator]

years and not knowing things for way too long.

[Elle Orlando]

Way too long. Like, I. You guys, I didn't know you had to use body wash for most of my life.

[Host/Moderator]

I know that. I just don't. Do I opt out.

[Elle Orlando]

Like, I didn't. I. I thought it was optional. Like, no one told me. Like, you have to. I. I knew you have to wash your hair, and I never, like, smelled bad or anything.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah, you don't need. So.

[Esther Povitsky]

Well, there's some people who really just don't have bo.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Like, straight up. Like, they're. It sucks that I'm not one of those people, but my mom is Bobby is Bobby. And, like, you could scratch and sniff all day trying to dig out a scent, and they just don't have a scent.

[Ali Makofsky]

I think I have bo. It's just not like. Like, it takes a while for it to get, like. Like, nasty.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ali Makofsky]

Like, definitely there's a. There's a scent coming off of me, but I don't think it's.

[Esther Povitsky]

But do. Are you someone? Because, okay, when I even get a whiff, a tiny whiff of my bo, I'm in a bad mood. Like, I hate it. I have to shower. I have to fix it. But there are some people who like their bo.

[Ali Makofsky]

I don't mind my bo, but if I'm getting real stinky where I'm like, other people can smell this, I'm disturbed.

[Host/Moderator]

It only bothered me when I was pregnant, but I will say, like, six months or before I got pregnant, I. I ran into an ex, and he literally was like. He, like, smelled my BO and, like, put his nose there, and I was like, this is.

[Ali Makofsky]

Wow.

[Elle Orlando]

Like, he was enjoying it.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

But that's a. That's biological match.

[Host/Moderator]

Like, then Dave doesn't like it Is that bad.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Well, you did say you didn't shower for three weeks after you gave birth.

[Host/Moderator]

Okay. But this was not that.

[Esther Povitsky]

Oh, okay.

[Elle Orlando]

That's kind of cool.

[Esther Povitsky]

This is just your everyday rock star.

[Elle Orlando]

It is so rock star. So gnarly. Oh, I do want to, like, just make it known that I do know how to use body wash now, and I do wash my ass and stuff like that.

[Ali Makofsky]

Here's the thing. It's like, it doesn't even matter. You look like you wash yourself.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Ali Makofsky]

And for me, I'm like, I'm a stinky girl. Like, I'm not. Like, my hygiene is pretty low. Like, I don't shower that often, but I'm like, as long as I don't look. Like I don't shower that often, I'm okay with it.

[Host/Moderator]

Cleanliness is by looks.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Ali Makofsky]

Big.

[Esther Povitsky]

By looks in the wrong room or nice.

[Elle Orlando]

Or smell.

[Esther Povitsky]

I'm, like, so triggered right now.

[Elle Orlando]

Well, or smell. Like, if you. If your breath doesn't smell and you don't smell, I don't really care what you do in your shower or.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah, I think if it doesn't. If. If I'm not personally, you know, having to suffer through your lack of hygiene, then I'm cool.

[Ali Makofsky]

There was a guy I used to hook up with back in the day, and he smelled so bad. And he wasn't a dirty guy, but he just had strong bo and it was like, anytime we would hook up, up, I couldn't get his smell off of me no matter how much I showered.

[Host/Moderator]

And I.

[Ali Makofsky]

Like, he was so nice, so sweet. But I was like, I can't keep

[Esther Povitsky]

smelling like this, you know, this is exactly okay. Not to you. You met a guy that I once dated not that long ago, and his BO was just like that, where it was like, I could. I started to smell like him, and that's when I knew I needed to just break up.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

I'm like, this can never be. And I would buy him all. I remember buying him glycolic AC to wipe his armpits every day, just as an experiment. Because I'm like, what is coming out of you? Like, is this, like. I honestly thought, like, demon. Like, there was something satanic about him. And here's what. Here's what I connected. I connected the dots. I was like, I'm so crazy. I was like, is this guy a demon? And his number was 808 and then 666. And I was like, he's the devil, and that's why he smells like this.

[Elle Orlando]

I. I used to date a guy who is just white but into Japanese people. And he's. He didn't smell good, so that's.

[Esther Povitsky]

You know, he shouldn't. He doesn't deserve to smell good because he fetishizes.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah. Yeah, he totally.

[Esther Povitsky]

He's a creep.

[Ali Makofsky]

And he was dating you?

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah. And he was.

[Esther Povitsky]

Dude, would he show you pictures of his exes?

[Ali Makofsky]

You have to, like, go through a Gwen Stefani hair.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

I feel like I see remnants of

[Ali Makofsky]

it with the bells.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah. Dude, I. It was. It was kind of weird because you could. I could tell he was into like. Or not.

[Host/Moderator]

He was.

[Elle Orlando]

He was used to being, like, the the dominant. Like, oh, let me teach you about the world. Because you don't speak English, but, like, I spoke English and, like, I was his age.

[Host/Moderator]

Kind of like that, though.

[Elle Orlando]

And it was. It was kind of interesting. He also is, like, nationally ranked in Donkey Kong and was, like, a huge gamer. And his room, you guys, his room was lined with every sort of character from, like, Nintendo of all time.

[Host/Moderator]

I'm like, like, how old was he?

[Elle Orlando]

He was my age at the time, so we were both, like, 26 or something. But then he was also really hot.

[Ali Makofsky]

So stressful.

[Elle Orlando]

It's stressful. He had a letter from the. I was gonna say principal of Nintendo. Was it? President of Nintendo.

[Ali Makofsky]

Damn.

[Elle Orlando]

Written out to him because he won. He wins so much. Donkey Kong. And I'm like, this is not.

[Ali Makofsky]

I can't tell if that's, like, an ick or kind of sexy.

[Esther Povitsky]

It's kind of sexy. Donkey Kong is what makes it kind of cute.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Like, if it was, like.

[Ali Makofsky]

If it was like, World of Redemption

[Esther Povitsky]

or, like, some, like, you know, first shooter get, you know, like this.

[Host/Moderator]

This is video games, but it's Donkey Kong. Easy for you to say.

[Elle Orlando]

You.

[Host/Moderator]

You're.

[Esther Povitsky]

I dated a gamer.

[Host/Moderator]

No, but the man you're with now is, like, literally a hunter, a fisherman. Like, he's so useful. Like, you cannot be pointing women in the direction of gamers.

[Esther Povitsky]

I'll tell you, there are tears to this. There's levels to the game, right? You have guys who, like, literally scream at each other all day.

[Elle Orlando]

Call of Duty.

[Ali Makofsky]

Where in the game they're hunter, gatherer, resource, but in real life they're not. Whereas Donkey Kong is like. It's just for fun.

[Esther Povitsky]

It's kind of cute. There is a cuteness to Donkey Kong.

[Ali Makofsky]

It's hard. It's a hard game, too.

[Esther Povitsky]

Just on that out there. I think it. Yeah. And I think it requires a certain level of.

[Ali Makofsky]

It's like one of those classic arcade

[Elle Orlando]

games that's hard to do, like Tetris.

[Esther Povitsky]

But the. The. The. The fact that he only dated Asian girls before you is so funny.

[Elle Orlando]

I mean, he. He wanted to, like, have a full. That was when I lived in Boston for a little bit. But I'm like, I can't live in Boston and just be your. Your white Asian girlfriend.

[Ali Makofsky]

It's hard to be a white Asian girlfriend.

[Elle Orlando]

It really is. There was a lot to live up to and. Yeah, a lot of. A lot of ramen.

[Esther Povitsky]

So, I mean, imagine if you, like, wake up one day, it's your birthday, and, like, in the bathroom, there's just a kimono hanging. There's what I got. Can you try this on?

[Elle Orlando]

And try bowing for a second.

[Esther Povitsky]

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[Host/Moderator]

what is it like being like a pretty blonde girl in New York City?

[Elle Orlando]

Like, oh my God, really bad. Thank you for asking. I honestly don't think I'm any, I, I don't think I'm ugly by any means, but I don't think I'm anything to write home about when it comes to like other blonde girls. I kind of look like every single blonde girl. You know, it's like, like date.

[Host/Moderator]

You get hit on everywhere you go.

[Elle Orlando]

Not really. I mean by absolute like psychopaths, like, it's usually like, and I say this with love and respect, it's usually like people who don't speak English and people who are like, I've had guys who.

[Ali Makofsky]

What language are they speaking?

[Elle Orlando]

I have no idea. But they come up from behind. Not English, just not English. And they'll be like, you date me and like, and that's like a real thing that like happens sometimes and they just like, because they're trying to like, like approach me, but they just don't.

[Ali Makofsky]

I could picture you having like an Eastern European lover. Like, I, I imagine like a Polish man being obsessed with you.

[Elle Orlando]

Oh, I love that. I, I did date a German for a little bit and he was, he was hot. But then he was a trifling German

[Esther Povitsky]

and I love a trifling German because they hard, they rarely trifle.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

But when they do, they Trifle hard.

[Elle Orlando]

They trifle. He was so mean. He, like, we were cute. It was cute. We go to the park. He'd make me read with him. He was like, we go to the park.

[Ali Makofsky]

So weird.

[Elle Orlando]

I know, it was kind of weird.

[Esther Povitsky]

And he make you pay for half.

[Elle Orlando]

No, he. He was actually really wealthy because his. His uncle is like the CFO of PayPal, so he was really wealthy, but he was bi, which I'll never do a buy guy again because it was the first time I ever got jealous. Like, I'm usually never jealous of like, other. I'm never jealous of women, but I am jealous of men because, like, I can't be.

[Ali Makofsky]

You're never jealous of women?

[Elle Orlando]

Not in a romantic sense.

[Host/Moderator]

Wait, okay, we have to talk about this.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah. Because first of all, I could. I'm the most jealous of, like, other girls. Oh, yeah.

[Elle Orlando]

I am. If it comes to, like, talent.

[Esther Povitsky]

We've been waiting to talk about this.

[Host/Moderator]

We've been waiting. It's almost like you just perfectly. Okay. Basically. There's been this huge jealousy conversation on Tik Tok. What happened was this girl was like, I just want to come forward and say that I am a jealous friend.

[Ali Makofsky]

Oh, yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

And she like confesses all this stuff about how she was really jealous of her friend for years and she resented her. And, you know, she said that this girl had like the career she wanted, but she just was. Got it really easy and it was just a really difficult friendship to maintain. They're not friends anymore. And then the first reaction is a lot of people being like, wow, out praising her for being so open and honest. Like, that's so cool. It's so vulnerable, whatever. And then comes the other wave of people that are like, no, why do we give people a pass just because they're honest about being jealous? Like, you can be envious of someone's life, but when you're like actively their friend and you're jealous of them, you're obviously subconsciously whatever it is, you're gonna be mean.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

You're gonna literally low key hate them.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

And even in the way this girl described her jealousy of she people pointed out, you're like, oh, her career was just handed to her. It's like, is that. How do we know how? Like, that's your view of what it is.

[Esther Povitsky]

And when does that ever truly happen? Unless you're like a Nepo. Even. Even Nepo babies. When is it ever just handed to you?

[Ali Makofsky]

Well, I thought this. Just to clarify, I thought jealous friend. Like, I'm jealous when my friends Hang out with other people. I'm not jealous of my friends, like, success. I'm more like, I hear what you're saying.

[Esther Povitsky]

That can. That's so relatable.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

I feel like everyone can feel. Like the other week, my best friend, like, we've been best friends since 14. My first American friend, when I moved from the Philippines, she was playing mahjong with some other moms that I don't know. And I'm like, why? Yeah, why are you doing that? And now I'm like, do I need to learn mahjong?

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Like, do I need to, like, infiltrate this mahjong ring? Right. But that's so. And it's like, I love her. I would never break up the mahjong ring and call the cops on them. But still, it's like there is. I think that's so normal to be like, wait, that's my. That's my best friend. Like, who she. Who are these people?

[Host/Moderator]

Is jealousy in general normal?

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah, I think so. But I think, like, to what you're talking about, I think it's like, it's okay to have like a. A twinge, a tinge. Twinge, tinge. What is it?

[Esther Povitsky]

Twinge.

[Ali Makofsky]

I think, Yeah, a twinge of jealousy. Because there's like, of course, sometimes, especially like, in comedy when everyone's doing the same thing, it's like, sometimes a friend will, like, get something that I'm, like, a little bit jealous of, but then I'm like, oh, I'm so glad that it's my friend who's getting this. Like, it doesn't really, like, stay within me.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

I think there has to be some level of, like, deep reflection if it is in fact your friend. And if you are feeling so nice, nasty about it, you really need to unpack that.

[Ali Makofsky]

And.

[Esther Povitsky]

Because that's not their problem at all. And you're right, it does seep into the relationship.

[Elle Orlando]

And then you subconsciously try to destroy them. Even if you don't want them, even if that's not. If you're that jealous of your friend that's not your friend and that you're actually. Yeah. You're secretly trying to destroy them.

[Host/Moderator]

Right.

[Elle Orlando]

And it's probably. It's like the worst thing you could do, I think. And you have to stop being friends with them.

[Host/Moderator]

That's what people were saying about this girl. They're like, you were low key, like, like a bad energy in your friend's life for like, a while.

[Ali Makofsky]

The people I'm jealous of aren't my friends. They're like acquaintances, like your peer. Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

People you work with. Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

That's more normal then. Now the other thing is, this is something I'm so guilty of is I'll. I like if I have a thing with someone where it's like, weird or like, I hear they've said something mean about me. Like, I am. It's very easy for me to jump to. Like, like, okay, they're jealous of me. Like, that's like what I jumped to. And now, like, people are sort of asking the question, like, do. Do you secretly like it when someone is jealous of you? Which I hadn't thought about, but then I'm like, I guess I do.

[Elle Orlando]

Like, yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

Because I jumped to that as like, almost maybe my own defense as to why they would, like, not like me. I don't know.

[Elle Orlando]

That's the only reason. I mean, I, I do that all the time. If it's like, there's no reason why this person shouldn't like me, they're either jealous. It's either jealous or insecurity. It's like hand in hand and there's really no other option other than like, maybe they just. You remind them of someone they don't with or something.

[Host/Moderator]

Right.

[Ali Makofsky]

Themselves. I feel like whenever I don't like someone, it's like, usually because they do something that I'm either that I want to do, but I'm too embarrassed or something. Or it's like something that I don't like about myself that they're comfortable with.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah.

[Elle Orlando]

And I don't. I don't understand that part. And I like, I get the concept of like, they're mirroring a attribute. Like something I hate when people, like, fill in silence or just like, over talk.

[Ali Makofsky]

Oh my God. Yeah.

[Elle Orlando]

Or like, have no social awareness of, like, chat. Just being overly chatty and not, like, picking up the vibes. Like, I don't want to talk right now and you're annoying me at the same time. Like, I'm so afraid of talking too much and being too annoying and being too much and being too whatever. But it's like, where, where does that, like, am I jealous that they get to do that? But even though I hate that they're doing this right now, the whole chatty

[Ali Makofsky]

thing, I don't know. I think that's just annoying.

[Host/Moderator]

It is annoying.

[Esther Povitsky]

But I know what you're saying on the.

[Host/Moderator]

Like, I remember when I was. I was like, high. High in my deep. I should say deep in, like, eating issues. Like when I was like, in college, I was, you know, gaining weight Whatever that was when I was the most judgy of other people's bodies and be like, they're fat, they're fat, they're fat. But it's like, because I absolutely hated myself so much. So, like, that feels more like, you know.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

Oh, you're. You're shining bright like me. I don't. I don't want to. I don't know, maybe. Actually, I don't make. That doesn't make sense because.

[Esther Povitsky]

No, it's true. It's always when you the shittiest about yourself, that you're going to be the shittiest to other people.

[Host/Moderator]

I think I'm curious to hear from you because you've been an outsider, like, but within our industry, because you're not a comedian, but you.

[Esther Povitsky]

I don't feel any, what. Anything that you're feeling. No, I know, but this is why, like, I love where I'm at because I'm just such. On, like, the periphery of things.

[Host/Moderator]

But what have you seen?

[Esther Povitsky]

But like, like, in terms, I think that, like, universally, now that I've been around, like, comics for so long, that, that I haven't met one comic that isn't jealous of at least one other comic.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

And I feel like that's so normal because you guys are all chasing a very similar path. Right. And I think that happens in all fields, whether you're a doctor, you're a comic, a teacher, whatever. It's like, that's just, I think, human, like, nature to feel that type of thing. But the, the, the question of, like, do I like the feeling of when someone. And I think someone is jealous of me? I don't default to that immediately. When someone's like, oh, oh, I. When I hear that someone doesn't like me, I usually start beating myself up first where I'm just like, why don't they. What is it about me? And then when someone's like, oh, they're jealous of you. It is a relief when I think that might be the case, but I don't jump to that, like, immediately. I'm always so, like, self, like, I persecute myself. First I'm like, oh. Like.

[Elle Orlando]

But then it's like, so if someone's jealous of you, but then they're also shitty and they're being like a dick. That sucks. I'm like, don't just. I would rather you be nice to me than be jealous of me. Because, like, this is like, so obvious.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Elle Orlando]

So.

[Ali Makofsky]

And what I realized is, like, if I'm jealous of someone, the easiest Way for me to get over that is to like be nice to them and

[Host/Moderator]

to be like, don't feed into it.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah. Because I'm like, oh well obviously I'm jealous because they're doing something I want to do and so like why don't I get lunch with them?

[Elle Orlando]

Them?

[Ali Makofsky]

Because then it'll like normalize. Yeah. Humanize them.

[Esther Povitsky]

And also really good instinct, I think.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah, it's like a way to be like excited. Like change the jealousy into like excitement. Like. Yeah, absolutely. And also I think I like, I think I used to definitely want people to be jealous cuz it meant that I was doing something that people want to be do. Like it was a way for me to validate what I was doing in a way. But then I realized I didn't actually like that because I felt like when I was doing cool stuff I would feel bad about it. Like if people would be like, what are you up to?

[Elle Orlando]

Oh my God. Always feel bad about that.

[Ali Makofsky]

I used to, I used to be like, oh my God. Well, this, this and this. And then they would have like some weird negative reaction and I felt bad about it. And so then I'd be like, not much. And I'm like, that's not fair to me. Now I'm minimizing stuff that's happening that is so real.

[Host/Moderator]

I like literally forgot about.

[Esther Povitsky]

But that's the whole concept of like be careful who you share good news with.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah, that sucks too. Cuz it's like I, I feel like I live that all the time. Not that like my life is. You play yourself, but I'm always playing myself down, always being, oh my God.

[Ali Makofsky]

And I'm like, I'm not doing that anymore. And it's not like I'm not going to like overly brag or be like in your face. Like here's what's going on with me. But I'm like, I'm allowed to be excited for things that I'm excited about. And how people react to that is only a reflection of them.

[Esther Povitsky]

Like you need to be my life coach. I think her, her. And I cannot do that. Like for some, anytime we talk to each other, how's this going? You know? And it's like, no. You have a movie coming out or no, like we. It's hard to like say it out loud and. Yeah, that's not right. That's not right. You should be able to celebrate yourself.

[Ali Makofsky]

It didn't feel like I was honoring my truth.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Ali Makofsky]

And I'm like, I shouldn't be like not much it's okay. Because I'm like, that's not cool.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah. We both really do. Because I'm like, your brand is coming out in Sephora.

[Esther Povitsky]

What do you mean? What do you.

[Host/Moderator]

Like, what the.

[Esther Povitsky]

Weird, right? Or even when, like, Drugstore June was coming out and you're like, nah, you just didn't want to talk about it. I'm like, what's going on now?

[Host/Moderator]

I am going from, like, I like when people are jealous to realizing, like, maybe I'm, like, afraid of it. And so I like. You play yourself down. I don't know.

[Esther Povitsky]

This is.

[Host/Moderator]

I don't know. Why?

[Elle Orlando]

Well, it's the other people's reaction of, like, when they say things like, oh, it must be nice. Wow. I can't imagine.

[Host/Moderator]

Right. You don't want to make someone feel

[Ali Makofsky]

bad, but that's on that. Like, back to, like, the jealousy conversation. Like, if someone shares good news or, like, something that I want that maybe they're getting, it's like, yeah, maybe for a second I'm like, oh, damn, I wish I could do that. But then I'm like, that's so cool that you're like, I'm not gonna.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah.

[Ali Makofsky]

I don't want to. On anyone's excitement.

[Esther Povitsky]

That's so true.

[Host/Moderator]

And it's also, like, life and community to, like, hear what people are up to and share what you're up to. Like, it's very human.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

You know what?

[Esther Povitsky]

You want to hear some loser as shit. I used to do.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

When I was more of, like, a jealous girlfriend type. So I would stalk an ex of whoever I was dating.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

But then to give myself a first, like a pov, I would then go back to my Instagram grid.

[Ali Makofsky]

Oh, yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

And then look at my grid as if I were the his ex looking at my Instagram for the first time.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

And I'd be like, okay, that's really hot. Oh, very great caption.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

Wow.

[Esther Povitsky]

She's smart. Like, I. And. But it was to make myself feel better after seeing how clearly hot she was as well.

[Ali Makofsky]

I think that's good, though.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Ali Makofsky]

I support that. Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

I know how we're being perceived. I know.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

I know. But it's, like, also very, like, I know what the. I just posted for the last six years. Like, but now I'm, like, picking it apart again. And I'm looking at the comments of, like, you know, I'm like, why am I doing this?

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah. Do you know that Tick Tock song that I want your things in my room? I stuck myself on the Internet just to see what you'll find. No, it's so good. Oh, it's by Julia. I think her name's Julia Fox. Or Julia. I think her name is Julia Fox on.

[Esther Povitsky]

But it's not the Julia Fox.

[Elle Orlando]

It's not the Julia Fox. But, yeah, literally, it's a song, literally, about just stalking yourself on the Internet just to see, like, what your crush is gonna see and, like, see it through their eyes. It's a really good song. I'll send it to you guys.

[Esther Povitsky]

But, guys, don't do this. I don't feel. I feel like this is, like, a level of complexity that, like, men don't do. I can't imagine a man going through this grid and be like, I wonder what she sees for the first time.

[Ali Makofsky]

And unfortunately, like, no shade. But, like, if a man is doing that, I'm terrified of him.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah, that's like, serial killer.

[Elle Orlando]

Absolutely.

[Host/Moderator]

That's bad.

[Elle Orlando]

I was talking to my friend about kind of this conversation last night. So, like, a old crush had a. Has a new girlfriend that I. You know, I wasn't. I wasn't really into him, but now he has, like, a really hot new girlfriend. I was like, that's awesome. And also, like, why, like, good for her. I. And. But I feel like I still skated out free. And she was like, that's interesting, because I feel like if I was you, I'd be like, just jealous that you passed up on the guy and now he has this, like, super hot girlfriend. And I'm like, no, I feel bad for her, you know? Like, I not, like, feel bad, but I'm like, you're not.

[Host/Moderator]

You're. You're not jealous of her?

[Elle Orlando]

Not jealous of her at all? Yeah, like, if. If an ex dates a hotter girl, I'm like, good for you. I mean, I'm surprised that you could pull that high or you can fly that high.

[Esther Povitsky]

It also, like, speaks highly of you. If that's his bar. The guy I'm seeing now, if I were to go through his, like, roster of, like, exes or what, whatever. If they were all, like, goat. Like, if they were all just like, you know.

[Elle Orlando]

I don't know why I said goats,

[Esther Povitsky]

because I'm the greatest of all time. Maybe you might be confused, but if they all, you know, weren't of a. But they're all gorgeous.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah, it does make me feel better.

[Esther Povitsky]

I'm like, you know what?

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah.

[Ali Makofsky]

Because that means in my head, if. If someone I'm dating, all of their exes were hot and smart and successful. Then I would be like, well, even if I'm the ugly one, one that's

[Host/Moderator]

still as good you, I am not on board with you guys at all here. You guys are sick.

[Elle Orlando]

You want ugly exes.

[Host/Moderator]

Of course I need to be the prize above all.

[Esther Povitsky]

You already know you're the, like, I even in that roster. If I'm looking at. They're all cute, but, like, I know, like, I'm the prize. Still. They don't all have to be, you know, trolls for you to feel, like the prize.

[Host/Moderator]

For me, they do. Okay?

[Esther Povitsky]

We're different.

[Host/Moderator]

We're in different classes.

[Elle Orlando]

So do you want to be, like, do you like to be the hot one in the relationship or, you know what I'm saying?

[Ali Makofsky]

Like, oh, do you want your partner

[Elle Orlando]

to be more hotter?

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah, but, Esther, I have a question for you. Like, do you want to be, like, uglier? The thought is, like, you couldn't pull better than that.

[Host/Moderator]

You better not be able to. No, this should be an. It should feel like an accident that you found me. It should be a.

[Ali Makofsky]

A clerical error.

[Host/Moderator]

Like, no, there's. You guys are got it all wrong. Wrong. You got it all wrong. This episode is sponsored by Better Help. May is mental health awareness month. I wish every month was, but here we are. And it's a reminder that whatever you're going through, you don't have to go through it alone. Life is a journey. Sorry to use the J word. Look, some days feel good, most days feel overwhelming for me. And whatever's keeping up at night, it's really easy to feel like you have to figure it out all on your own. But the truth is. Truth is, no one has all of the answers. And no journey should be alone. Having someone with you to listen, understand, support, you can make all the difference. I know that it has for me. I have definitely had some insane late up all night nights just spiraling. I should have done this. Why didn't I do this sooner? What was I thinking when I said this? Like, everything I post is embarrassing. Why do people online hate me? Like, it just. The spirals go on and on. I love Better Help because they have qual therapists. Better Help. Does the initial matching work for you so you can focus on your therapy goals? There's a short questionnaire, helps you identify your needs and preferences. You don't have to be on this journey alone. Find support and have someone with you in therapy. Sign up to get 10% [e-mail] TrashTuesday that's better. H E-L-P.com Trash Tuesday.

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[Elle Orlando]

Is this like an exercise or you guys eat bananas?

[Esther Povitsky]

We just eat bananas.

[Host/Moderator]

You don't have to.

[Elle Orlando]

It's.

[Host/Moderator]

It's optional.

[Elle Orlando]

That's kind of cool.

[Esther Povitsky]

It says, would you eat your own placenta? I have a story for you.

[Elle Orlando]

Ew.

[Host/Moderator]

I don't want to hear it.

[Elle Orlando]

Wait, I kind of want to eat my friends. Isn't it good for you or. No, I want to drink her breast milk.

[Esther Povitsky]

That's. That's very different.

[Host/Moderator]

Well, if you want something, you have two flavors available.

[Ali Makofsky]

Oh, my God. We should go straight to the. The tap.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah, but you know hers, because she has a newborn. Hers will be so much more nutritional and, like, packed full.

[Host/Moderator]

Wouldn't yours be, like, fattier now?

[Esther Povitsky]

No, because my. My baby doesn't need my.

[Host/Moderator]

Wait.

[Esther Povitsky]

Next time for sustenance.

[Ali Makofsky]

Next time I. Come on. Can you guys prepare milk and I'll blind drink it? Could I.

[Elle Orlando]

Wait, that's. Would you let me.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah, I would do a blind.

[Host/Moderator]

I'm, like, grossed out by it. Have you tried it? I haven't tasted.

[Esther Povitsky]

It's very mild sweet.

[Host/Moderator]

People say it's sweet, like, very.

[Ali Makofsky]

Milk.

[Elle Orlando]

That's cool. It's good for you.

[Host/Moderator]

I don't.

[Elle Orlando]

I don't know, maybe since it's coming out of you, you don't need it.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah, but what is it doing to me that like in the middle of the night I. Eight ounces of milk comes out of me.

[Esther Povitsky]

Like that's eight ounces is coming out now.

[Host/Moderator]

Well, in the middle of the night.

[Elle Orlando]

Oh, yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

You know, in the middle of the night, it's a whole cup.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah. It's like creepy that I make. Are you creeped out that you make milk? It's great when I think about it,

[Esther Povitsky]

that it pulls from your own blood.

[Elle Orlando]

Oh, e

[Ali Makofsky]

convers.

[Esther Povitsky]

So how. How does your body make milk? It pulls from your blood and it puts together this. A mighty concoction of nutrients that keeps this little perfect baby alive is magic to me. But when I think about it, the blood part, it makes me lightheaded.

[Host/Moderator]

I'm like, stop saying it.

[Elle Orlando]

So. So if I drink my friend's milk, then I would be drinking blood.

[Ali Makofsky]

Vampire vibes.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Elle Orlando]

Oh my God.

[Host/Moderator]

I have to take it. A banana break.

[Elle Orlando]

For real Banana break. Oh, that's crazy. I. I still kind of want to drink a little bit just to see if anything would. If I feel different.

[Esther Povitsky]

I think the blind test is a really good idea because I. I'm.

[Ali Makofsky]

What?

[Esther Povitsky]

You know those videos you have the good stuff, you have the, like the liquid gold.

[Ali Makofsky]

You know, you don't have colostrum anymore, right?

[Esther Povitsky]

Wait, you're past six weeks, there's. It's still going to be very different in Constitution than mine. Mine probably just thin and like water at this point.

[Ali Makofsky]

Oh my God. Wait, if we do it, we need to put like whole milk almond milk. Yeah. That way I can like, see if I even can tell the difference between that.

[Elle Orlando]

Are all your friends with kids and stuff back home or. Wait, you're from here?

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah. Oh, no one's got.

[Elle Orlando]

No one's got.

[Ali Makofsky]

Or at least they're not my friend.

[Elle Orlando]

They're. They're not your friend.

[Esther Povitsky]

I think like the median age of like a, like a moment here is like 41 in LA, so.

[Elle Orlando]

Oh, hell yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

My friends from back home are. Are doing it at my age.

[Elle Orlando]

They're not.

[Host/Moderator]

No, they are like, I feel like it's happening around the same time as me.

[Ali Makofsky]

Have you heard that the middle child is going extinct?

[Host/Moderator]

How so?

[Ali Makofsky]

Because people are kind of now only having two kids and so there's no middle child.

[Host/Moderator]

That's really good for humanity, right?

[Elle Orlando]

Are you guys middle children?

[Ali Makofsky]

No, I'm the baby.

[Esther Povitsky]

I'm baby.

[Ali Makofsky]

I have a middle.

[Host/Moderator]

You are middle. Are you up from it.

[Esther Povitsky]

That explains the body wash thing.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

What do you have on other side? The other side.

[Elle Orlando]

I have an older brother and a younger sister. The thing was like I was the most hated member of my family for the majority of my life. And then somewhere like mid-20s, it switched and now my parents are like, you're our favorite.

[Ali Makofsky]

Wow.

[Host/Moderator]

How did you do that?

[Elle Orlando]

I don't know. I just kind of was like, you guys, I'm fine. You guys are nothing without me. And then they're like, oh yeah, yeah. Actually, I don't, I don't know. I think it's just different vibes. Both my siblings are like pretty autistic and I'm the least autistic of them all.

[Ali Makofsky]

So I realize that my parents. Love is conditional.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah. Oh yeah.

[Ali Makofsky]

It's very conditional because my parents have favorites based on what they can like get out of us.

[Host/Moderator]

My dad has explicitly said if I didn't make money, he wouldn't, they wouldn't like me.

[Ali Makofsky]

Wait, do you have siblings?

[Host/Moderator]

I have an older half sister. So with my, my mom's. Yeah, he. It's. They've like made it clear it's conditional. And with my mom, she won't say it, but for sure.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Really? Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

They only like me cuz I buy them stuff that's like. I'm like recreating. I'm trying to like recreate my childhood with them liking me. And I do that by like treating them to stuff.

[Ali Makofsky]

You're buying their love?

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah. And it's great. It's working and it's healing me. It's all good.

[Elle Orlando]

I'm down to buy people's love. Absolutely. I, I don't have like that much money, like money to give people, but I'll give them like my time. That's love. That's, you know.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah.

[Elle Orlando]

I'll give them like friendships and stuff. Like I'm over giving in that way.

[Host/Moderator]

Do you not feel like you're. You buy your family's love?

[Elle Orlando]

Not my mom, Snow.

[Esther Povitsky]

Cuz I feel like she really. For as crazy as the lady is, for as much as she's put me through like I really have put her through like a bunch of. And she is just there vacuuming every day.

[Host/Moderator]

My mom will never stop vacuuming.

[Esther Povitsky]

I feel like that is unconditional love. It's like I could, you know, we could get into this big fight one second. But she just continuously shows up and makes sure that the house is clean. That the like the foundation of where I'm, how I'm living is taken Care of. And I feel that translates to me as like unconditional, like love acts of service.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah. Edit on the fly from what I said because my mom does listen and I, I feel like it's actually my insecurity that I feel like I need to have something to offer to be loved.

[Esther Povitsky]

I will say this though. I wasn't my dad's favorite favorite because I was very much like him. And we don't like phones of ourselves. Right. So I reminded him a lot of his young self. And so he preferred my sister who was not as. Just didn't fight him on a lot of things. Like they would always be in the kitchen together. She would be his sous chef. And I was just the, like, I was always like kind of just strong headed, opinionated. And I, I, I knew that I got that from him. So he kind of avoided me compared to my sister.

[Elle Orlando]

Why do we hate clones of.

[Host/Moderator]

I don't.

[Esther Povitsky]

To be clear, I, you're wrong. I think that you would literally like take a hammer to her face for a second. I know you. If you were to see just another perfect version of you right now.

[Host/Moderator]

No, I want it.

[Esther Povitsky]

You'd kill her. No, you'd kill her.

[Elle Orlando]

You'd burn her alive.

[Host/Moderator]

I want a clone.

[Esther Povitsky]

I don't think so. I don't believe you.

[Ali Makofsky]

Like, would you still want to clone if she like wanted nothing to do with you? She was just living like a completely different life. Because I think like a clone is fun if it's, it's like, that's my, that's my bestie. Yeah. But if they were just like doing their own thing but looked and acted exactly like me, I'd be like, what the fuck? Yeah, because here's the thing. There was this girl, Emily in middle school. She came in halfway through the year. I have established myself in this grade, in this class as like the class clown, the annoying girl, not shutting up. Like, that classroom was my theater. That was my stage. Emily comes in halfway through and guess what? She's a brown haired, Jewish, annoying like me. And I was like, excuse me, excuse me. And she would not shut up. And she was always cracking jokes. And I'm like this, I've. I've been setting it up for myself to be you. I hated her. I was like, I cannot believe this. And then one day, day, one day we both go to the nurse's office unrelated, and we end up like vibing. She made me laugh. I made her laugh. And I was like, I actually, I love this woman. And we ended up like becoming Great friends because of that. But it started, it was an enemies to lovers situation. That's so interesting, cuz she was my clone.

[Esther Povitsky]

Could you be best friends with your yourself? Could you be best friends with your clone? And I think that. I think that just like human nature doesn't allow for that, because even when you look for a mate, I think that inherently, even without knowing, you choose the opposite traits of what you have to kind of balance out genetics. Right. And so I think the same with ourselves. Like, I don't think that you can be best friends immediately with someone that is exactly like you, because you need to offset your own with something else.

[Ali Makofsky]

And you're like, I already have all the dude.

[Elle Orlando]

All my friends in New York, they're like so tall. They're all tall, tall girls. I'm like, I feel like I'm five, four.

[Host/Moderator]

Oh, you're tall.

[Esther Povitsky]

I'm.

[Elle Orlando]

I'm short. But then I come to LA and I'm with my shorties and I'm like, this is who I'm meant to be with, you know?

[Ali Makofsky]

Wait, do you know about these. The tall guys?

[Elle Orlando]

What?

[Ali Makofsky]

They've just infiltrated my Instagram algorithm.

[Esther Povitsky]

I see. The tall people parties.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yes.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yes.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah, the tall tourists 4. It's these guys who throw these parties for like giant people. So it's like you have to be at least six one as a guy and at least five, eight as a woman. So I qualified to be a tall girl.

[Host/Moderator]

So weird that you're tall.

[Ali Makofsky]

I seem like I'd be short.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah, you don't seem like you're tall.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah, I'm like 5,8ish. And you seem like you would be tall. You don't seem like you'd be short.

[Elle Orlando]

That's what everyone says. Yeah, everyone. Whenever they like meet me in person, they think. Think I'm like six foot. But I think it's because I've been raised by tall girls.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah.

[Elle Orlando]

So I'm like a kitten being raised by dogs. And so I'm acting tall because I'm.

[Host/Moderator]

You're acting.

[Elle Orlando]

Because all my. I swear to God. Oh my. There's like this picture of like me, my friends recently, and they are giants. They're just. They're just like What? They're like 5, 10 and above. Naturally, tall people intimidate me. And that, that pisses me off because I feel like a little pipsqueak.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah. But I feel like that's so cute to be tiny girl with tall girls.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Ali Makofsky]

It's like, without even like trying, it's kind of like pick Me girl. It's like, look at how small I am.

[Host/Moderator]

I definitely act short.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah, you feel?

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah, I'm like, I've got. I'm a well rounded short person. I'm like, like I'm like a small dog, you know?

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah. I feel like I need to lean into my short.

[Ali Makofsky]

You're small? Yeah.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

My sister's six feet.

[Elle Orlando]

Whenever I see a tall girl with a tall guy, like, I feel like that's how God made.

[Ali Makofsky]

That's the blueprint.

[Elle Orlando]

That's what it's supposed to be. Yeah, that's. That's what it's supposed to be.

[Esther Povitsky]

I don't like seeing tall dudes naked. I've said this before on the show me the out. Tall grosses me out. I cannot do it.

[Host/Moderator]

You guys like so long.

[Esther Povitsky]

It's just. Why are you. Why is there so much meat everywhere? It's just doesn't. It's not my thing. It could be. I know that everyone in LA is a height elitist and girls love tall guys. Guys, my maximum is like 62.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

If you are above six two. I never want to see you naked. I never want to see you naked. It's so uncomfortable for me.

[Ali Makofsky]

I could be with someone who's like 72. What? I could be with like, like a freak, like an oddity.

[Elle Orlando]

Dude, you want a Great Dane?

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah, I wouldn't mind that.

[Esther Povitsky]

Is that cuz you're tall and you've always wanted small? I.

[Ali Makofsky]

No, unfortunately I'm calling myself out. I think it's because I love attention so much that if I had like a boyfriend or someone who is like a freak height, then like people would be like, oh my God. Like they would just have so many questions.

[Host/Moderator]

Conversation. Yeah, I like that a lot. But don't let that man get you pregnant. It will break you.

[Ali Makofsky]

I think my vagina is capable.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah. I believe in your vagina.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yes.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah, I think I have a tall vagina.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah?

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Ali Makofsky]

I think it's like a weight bearing. The vagina.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

Do you want. Do you want babies?

[Esther Povitsky]

The.

[Host/Moderator]

The resident mothers have to ask. I'm sorry.

[Elle Orlando]

I feel like. Yeah, I would with like the right person and guys. Recently guys have been like. Guys I date have been asking me like, do you want kids? Do you want kids or. Yeah. And I'm like, yeah, I guess. Yeah, just with the right.

[Ali Makofsky]

You give mom vibes.

[Elle Orlando]

I do.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah. You give like cool mom vibes. Like I picture you like smoking a cigarette like in the car with the child.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah, but it's like cool.

[Ali Makofsky]

It's not like in a bath bad way.

[Elle Orlando]

I would imagine I would want to be like best friends with my kids. But like, I. I don't know. Again, it depends on the person. I don't want to have like some random baby daddy that like I'm just like attached to and they, they suck and they ruined my life, you know? Like, I really want it to be like true, intentional and you know, relationships are difficult. But I do think like kids. This sounds maybe may be like crazy, but I do feel like little babies, they like seeing like two people, you know, together. Like, and it sucks if it doesn't happen that way, but there's something in a baby's brain that likes when there's like two parents.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Also, I. I have major regrets about how I used to speak about being child free. When I was child free. I used to say it like, because now I think about it differently from both sides. For so long I didn't have a kid in 10 until I was 39. But for so long I was part of that child free argument and being so cocky and being so just like, I don't like kids. But after some maturation and after growing up a little bit, I realized that people who don't like kids and who are very anti mother are actually misogynists. I think that if you do not like kids kids, that's fine, don't have them for yourself. But I truly feel like it is your job as a part of this bigger society to be kind to mothers, to be kind to children and, and to just participate in this like communal loving of this young thing that's so pure. And I regret being that girl. I'm so shameful of being like, look at me. I remember 2020 Covid came like, oh, what a time to be child childless or something like that. I was just such a. And I had friends who were moms and I would speak about my child free life not in like a kind way. And I'm like, so. I'm like, why did I do that? I was so.

[Host/Moderator]

Wait, I have a like a very like strange opposite to that, which is that like. Because Covid, like obviously like all the parents were like, oh my God, this is crazy. Like this is too much. Because they had no help and no school. I remember feeling like I was like jealous because. Because they're getting like all this special time with their children. But now that I have kids, I'm like, no, that's too hard. Yeah, that is actually too hard. And it's not supposed to be like, that. And that's, like, another big shift for me is I used to be like, why do parents always, like, can't wait for the baby to nap? Like, don't you love your baby? And I'm like, it's exhausting. No, I'm like, this is so hard. Like, you need those brushes, breaks. I know. This is a different conversation, but wait.

[Ali Makofsky]

I have a question for the mothers. I love babies so much. I'm obsessed with babies. I love them.

[Elle Orlando]

Wow.

[Ali Makofsky]

Here's the problem. I want to hold everyone's baby. But how would you feel if you didn't know me and say, we're at, I don't know, all time. All time. And you have a baby, and I come up and I go, can I hold your baby? What's your thought? What goes through your head?

[Esther Povitsky]

I am also very paranoid, and I have, like, really bad postpartum anxiety. Anxiety. So it's like, the doctor can hardly hold my baby.

[Elle Orlando]

So.

[Esther Povitsky]

But that's not a you thing. It's just. It's a me issue that I'm working through.

[Host/Moderator]

I think if I, like, know you're not gonna steal my baby, then I don't really care.

[Esther Povitsky]

But, like, I let you hold my. You met my baby.

[Elle Orlando]

Stranger's baby is kind of interesting. That is kind of.

[Esther Povitsky]

But you know what's really sweet, I find, is when you see, like, a family or a mom on the plane, I always tell them, and it's like, hey, hey. Like, if you need to go to the bathroom, like, I got you.

[Ali Makofsky]

It's like, where am I gonna go with your baby?

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

In that situation, I think it's so appropriate and so sweet. And also, if someone were to ask me, like, hey, like, I got you. If it was, like, a person sitting next to me, just, hey, your baby can cry. I don't care. I would cry in my seat. I'd be like, thank you so much. Because that's such a big thing we worry about. Right? It's like, who are we bothering?

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah. I love when I'm sat by a mom and a baby.

[Host/Moderator]

Has anyone ever taken you up on that? That. Because really? Yes, I have offered that. And people look at me like I'm crazy.

[Esther Povitsky]

Really?

[Ali Makofsky]

Because you look like you're 13.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Ali Makofsky]

And they're like, I'm not let this child hold my baby.

[Host/Moderator]

They look at me like. Like I'm a sight. I'm like, I have a baby at home.

[Ali Makofsky]

No, but I know. And then I'm like, I feel like a pervert because I'm like, please let me hold your baby. They're like, why are you. Why do you want this so bad? And I'm like, I'm an aunt.

[Elle Orlando]

I'm an aunt.

[Ali Makofsky]

I have nieces and nephews.

[Esther Povitsky]

No, but I think that's so sweet. Ally, you were like someone on my plane and you were like, hey, I. It would. Nothing would make me feel more warm and fuzzy.

[Elle Orlando]

I think the way I kind of go about it is like, I'll let the baby choose.

[Esther Povitsky]

Like I'll.

[Elle Orlando]

When a baby catches baby's vibing. Yeah. Babies kind of vibe with me pretty hard. And they'll like, once they catch my eye, they're like, I want her 100%. And then I'm like, your baby would like to be with me.

[Esther Povitsky]

Isn't it crazy though? Like my baby's do like pretty people. It's like, I hate that that's a truth.

[Elle Orlando]

But it's like, oh, is it because I'm pretty? I thought I had like.

[Ali Makofsky]

Well, you know what's interesting? I notice if my eyebrows aren't done, babies are terrified of me. Because I think it's like too harsh because my eyebrows are so dark. Yes. That I think it like kind of terrifies them. But when I like have them freshly done, babies are like, okay, okay, I. With her.

[Host/Moderator]

You can definitely come over and hold my babies anytime.

[Elle Orlando]

Please, please.

[Ali Makofsky]

But bad cuz I probably won't give Ace as much attention just cuz she's bigger.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah, that's fine.

[Ali Makofsky]

Cuz I really, I have like a window. I feel bad. I have this friend who just had a baby and it's like not even a friend that I'm that close with. But when I found out she was having a baby, I like, I like really solidified our friendship. And so I've been going over, but now her baby's getting big and she hit me up and she sent me a photo and I was like, I don't want to come over anymore. I'm just like, I love babies.

[Elle Orlando]

What's the win? Is it like six months and you're done?

[Ali Makofsky]

No, no, six months is still really cute. I would say like maybe a year and a half.

[Elle Orlando]

I'm like, yeah, get into toddler phase.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah.

[Ali Makofsky]

Once they're like kind of talking and moving, I'm like, this isn't fun.

[Elle Orlando]

I kind of like, I have a, I have a friend who has like a two year old and yeah, kind of like a one one and a two, maybe three, who knows? But they are fun because you can wrestle them and you can like, really throw them around. And they love that.

[Ali Makofsky]

See, like, that's fun in, like, I can appreciate that. But, like, what really, like, warms my heart is just being able to hold a baby and feel like I am purposeful in this world.

[Elle Orlando]

We are two different moms.

[Host/Moderator]

Well, this is a thing because I. It was Chrissy Teigen who everyone's favorite tweeter said. She's like, you're either a toddler mom or you're a baby mom.

[Ali Makofsky]

I'm a baby mom.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Oh, I'm a toddler mom.

[Elle Orlando]

I'm totally a toddler mom.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

I. I'm. I'm terrified of fragile things. And, like, while I love baby, I was just so scared of hurting my. But now that he's a toddler, the wrestling, the fact that they can, like. Yeah. Throw him on the bed and do these stunts. Like, that's a little bit more like. Okay, I can breathe now. Like, he's a hearty thing.

[Host/Moderator]

Oh, you sound more like a dad. Like, you're like how dads play with.

[Elle Orlando]

I honestly am. The last time I was with my friend, we were playing. I. I made it up. We play Shrek where I pretend he can jump really far. And then the last one, I just chuck him at the couch. And he, like, loves it. He's so cute.

[Ali Makofsky]

I want to get chucked at the couch.

[Elle Orlando]

I know. It's a.

[Ali Makofsky]

It's a fun.

[Host/Moderator]

If you find a 72 guy.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

That is what he'll do to you.

[Esther Povitsky]

The thing about 72 guys, it's like, I just don't like the way they move next.

[Ali Makofsky]

All like, the only.

[Esther Povitsky]

It's like, okay, so you can spike a ball or dunk.

[Host/Moderator]

Like, they have to walk with their hand.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

And poor things, like, the world is just not built for them. So, like.

[Ali Makofsky]

And they die earlier.

[Elle Orlando]

They die.

[Ali Makofsky]

Their heart's not pumping right.

[Esther Povitsky]

They.

[Elle Orlando]

They take up the whole bed.

[Ali Makofsky]

I just. I miss the feeling of getting, like, being in a pool and getting thrown.

[Elle Orlando]

Yes.

[Ali Makofsky]

Like, you know, like, when your dad, like, launches you. Yes. That's what I want. I need that feeling.

[Esther Povitsky]

I can do that for you.

[Ali Makofsky]

Okay, let's go.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah. I have a very specific way. You just have to push off my knee.

[Ali Makofsky]

Okay.

[Esther Povitsky]

But I can still, like, look out for that in our next Patreon.

[Host/Moderator]

Worst fear is being thrown in a po. That's crazy.

[Elle Orlando]

You were in Pool Girl. You didn't do mermaids.

[Host/Moderator]

I can't get my ears underwater.

[Esther Povitsky]

She had ear tubes as a baby. Wait, really?

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

I have a hole in My eardrum. So it can't go underwater until I get a surgery.

[Ali Makofsky]

I had my, my ear tubes taken out when I was little.

[Elle Orlando]

Wait, what's in the ear tube? I want to know.

[Esther Povitsky]

Ear infections. Wait, you're a baby.

[Ali Makofsky]

I'm.

[Elle Orlando]

I'm about to get an appointment for the Eustachian tube.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah. Wait, literally, those are the tubes? The ear tubes.

[Esther Povitsky]

Station tube is what. What connects your throat to your ears.

[Ali Makofsky]

Why?

[Esther Povitsky]

Everything is a.

[Host/Moderator]

Why does she need that?

[Elle Orlando]

So I. I have like sudden onset tinnitus or is it.

[Ali Makofsky]

Oh, tinnitus. Yes.

[Elle Orlando]

So like there's no tumor, there's no hearing loss, there's no like traumatic event.

[Ali Makofsky]

Ringing.

[Elle Orlando]

It's just ringing. I went on like a ski trip and I got a cold and so like the altitude. I don't know, it can like you. It's been like that for like three years. And so now I'm going to this lady. So I think, think. I think this is the answer though. Because all of my symptoms are like eustation tube. It's like high pressure. I. I hear sound way too much. Like. Yeah, it's the opposite of hearing loss. Like I hear everything really loudly. I couldn't even cut on a board the other day. It was too loud. Yeah, like chopping vegetables. I was like, ah, Jesus Christ.

[Ali Makofsky]

That's crazy.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

Do you have like ringing in your ear now?

[Esther Povitsky]

Now?

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah, all times. But I can't hear it unless it's like really silent.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah.

[Elle Orlando]

And I also got used to it and one time, one day it like went away for like a couple seconds and I freaked out. Cuz I'm not used to silence anymore.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah.

[Elle Orlando]

So it's kind of crazy, but my

[Ali Makofsky]

grandma, rest in peace, was death her whole life and she had tinnitus. And I'm like, how sad that like she can't hear anything but the only thing she could hear was just ringing.

[Elle Orlando]

That's horrible.

[Ali Makofsky]

That would be ter. I would lose my mind.

[Elle Orlando]

I mean I. You definitely get used to it and eventually you just accept. But I do think this is. Once I get these tubes taken out, I think it'll be good.

[Host/Moderator]

Oh, you're getting taken out or something.

[Elle Orlando]

I think they like clean them out actually. Cuz I think there's like a lot of pressure and buildup and stuff. That's. So that's my enilment for right now.

[Host/Moderator]

Congratulations.

[Ali Makofsky]

Your mom's getting her boobs done. You're getting your ears done.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah, big stuff.

[Ali Makofsky]

We have some like date ideas that

[Esther Povitsky]

are for girl dates.

[Host/Moderator]

I love a Girl date.

[Ali Makofsky]

Me too.

[Host/Moderator]

This is kind of a girl date.

[Elle Orlando]

This is kind of a. This is a girl day. I went on a girl date with Jordan in Austin. It was hilarious. We went shopping.

[Ali Makofsky]

Jordan Denton?

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah. Yeah. We weren't like, like, close friends at the time, but, like, we immediately fell into, like, a male, female, like, role. Like, she was the man, then I was the woman. And I think maybe because I'm just like, smaller and stuff, but it was so funny because I was just like, like, following her around. She was leading the conversation, asking me like, do you have brothers?

[Ali Makofsky]

I love that.

[Elle Orlando]

And then we got snow cones after and watch the sunset. I'm like, oh, my God. That's really actually beautiful. Yeah, we.

[Host/Moderator]

Take me on a girl date.

[Esther Povitsky]

Absolutely not. I refuse. I refuse. Why?

[Ali Makofsky]

Last episode, she was saying she's not dating her own man.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah. I think that it's like, you're gonna be like, let's go to, you know, this mall. And I'm just not a mall girl.

[Ali Makofsky]

I'll go. Well, let's see if we have some ideas that Esther could take you out.

[Host/Moderator]

I probably also won't like what you plan, and I'll have too many problems with it.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah, yeah. We're just not gonna like the same things and be like, esther, let's. You're not gonna do this thing at the beach and you're gonna be like, no sand. Yeah, yeah, no sand policy.

[Host/Moderator]

Okay, let's see. Okay. Go on a formal. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What? Go on a four mile walksey coffee and then sip our coffee on the walk back. What?

[Ali Makofsky]

That sounds like a poop my pants situation. It's like, as soon as I have one sip, I'm gonna poop my pants. Also.

[Elle Orlando]

4 miles.

[Ali Makofsky]

4 miles is insane.

[Host/Moderator]

I think if we knock down 1 mile, then. This is amazing.

[Ali Makofsky]

Let's. Here's my idea.

[Esther Povitsky]

Walking.

[Ali Makofsky]

Here's my idea.

[Host/Moderator]

To the coffee shop.

[Esther Povitsky]

I know, but, like, what. What are the vibes on the way out?

[Ali Makofsky]

This is like four hours.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah. That's intense.

[Esther Povitsky]

Miles.

[Ali Makofsky]

Let's say you're in a city. No. Still no. No.

[Host/Moderator]

Imagine the romance of New York City park.

[Ali Makofsky]

Well, but here's the thing.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah. It's not for, like, miles and miles.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

I think.

[Ali Makofsky]

I think you have to be like, let's walk. Who knows? We might end up walking a hundred miles. But I don't want to go in with the mindset of we're doing four miles.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Or we got to hit 10K.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah. No. Well, let's just walk and see see what happens 100%.

[Elle Orlando]

You walk until. Until you're done talking shit.

[Host/Moderator]

I like the fixed amount because then the person can't escape. It's like, this is the plan, and you're not leaving. Hey, this is the plan. Okay. Get dressed up and go to an open house.

[Ali Makofsky]

I don't know why we have to

[Esther Povitsky]

get dressed up, but I have never once dressed up for any.

[Elle Orlando]

Any viewing of a home.

[Ali Makofsky]

No, I mean, because I want to have a pretty woman moment. I want to look like this and get a baller house and be like, how much is it?

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah.

[Ali Makofsky]

Oh, that's it.

[Host/Moderator]

I'll pay double.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah. But I do love an open house. Yeah.

[Elle Orlando]

I haven't been to one, I don't think ever.

[Ali Makofsky]

How long are you in town?

[Esther Povitsky]

I'm going to two this weekend.

[Elle Orlando]

You are?

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

One in Eagle Rock, one in Altadena. I just like going to them. I know it's an activity.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah, same.

[Esther Povitsky]

This is what I would do. I would knock this wall down.

[Ali Makofsky]

You get to. It's like the only time in adulthood where you get to really use your imagination.

[Host/Moderator]

It stimulates creativity.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah. You get to play house.

[Host/Moderator]

What would I do in this room?

[Ali Makofsky]

You're like, oh, maybe I'll bake cookies in the kitchen.

[Host/Moderator]

Who would I be in this home?

[Elle Orlando]

Where would we fight? Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

Go to a Mexican restaurant, only get chips, drinks, and salsa.

[Ali Makofsky]

I like that.

[Host/Moderator]

I love that.

[Esther Povitsky]

That's a classic.

[Ali Makofsky]

For that, I imagine I will end up getting enchiladas or a burrito, But I like being like, this is just what we're doing.

[Esther Povitsky]

Pressure.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah. Like, at the second hour, you order your enchiladas, deep clean the entire house together, then get takeout, watch a movie, and then enjoy the clean house. Yes.

[Ali Makofsky]

I mean, this is ideal.

[Elle Orlando]

I'm out on the cleaning, though. Do we have to cleaning?

[Ali Makofsky]

Yes.

[Elle Orlando]

What if you cleaned and I just talk?

[Ali Makofsky]

That were clean.

[Elle Orlando]

Okay.

[Ali Makofsky]

You would have to be useful in some way. If I'm like, can you. You, like, get a. Like, you just open the garbage bag and I dump things.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Ali Makofsky]

Like, you can't just be sitting.

[Elle Orlando]

You know, I'd be an assistant.

[Ali Makofsky]

But you don't need to be, like, so involved.

[Elle Orlando]

Okay. Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

I love a dual clean. I love blasting music. But it has to be a designated day, like, admin day. It can't just be like, I have to clean today. It's like, nope, we plan for Saturday. We're gonna play these songs. We're gonna eat this at night, and then fresh sheets at the end of the Day. Oh, truly. There's nothing better.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

Fresh sheets, bloody sheets, crummy sheets. It doesn't really make that big of a difference. It's not. Let's not overplay it. Pottery making class.

[Esther Povitsky]

Not for me. Too high pressure.

[Ali Makofsky]

Like, I'm down to do that, but I don't need to make a date of it. Like, that's something I'm down to do on a whim on my own.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

It's a little too, like, over stimulating.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah. I don't need a little, like, invite the girls.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah. As someone with hyperhidrosis and sweaty palms, like, already there.

[Ali Makofsky]

No, that's perfect for it.

[Esther Povitsky]

I know, but it's just the sensory thing of having the. It's. It's a nightmare for me. But I do love, like, watching, like, when people glaze their. That's my entire tik tok algorithm is.

[Ali Makofsky]

Maybe you can skip the pottery and just go to the glazing.

[Elle Orlando]

Uhhuh.

[Host/Moderator]

Wait, side note, Is anyone reading Lena Dunham's book?

[Ali Makofsky]

No, no, no. It's so good.

[Host/Moderator]

You all have to. But she says that she has Eller dadden.

[Ali Makofsky]

Oh, yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

You have that too?

[Esther Povitsky]

My sister does. I don. If I do, I just have hypermobility.

[Host/Moderator]

What is it?

[Esther Povitsky]

It's basically it's a connective tissue disorder. And there's levels to it. Right. Sometimes it connect. Could be as simple as you have hypermobile joints. You're just like a little more rubbery. Yeah. Or you have stretchy skin. Or it could then affect your heart and your actual connective tissue and organs and things like that. But for my sister has it a little bit more complex than mine. But if you have any ailers, you probably have other autoimmune stuff as happening.

[Host/Moderator]

Oh, really?

[Esther Povitsky]

But she's. She has aers.

[Ali Makofsky]

Interesting.

[Esther Povitsky]

Jamila Jamil has it. She's classically aers.

[Host/Moderator]

I don't understand, like, what it is still. You're just like.

[Esther Povitsky]

You know what? You didn't like this when I did the peace sign.

[Ali Makofsky]

So freaky. That's.

[Host/Moderator]

Whoa.

[Elle Orlando]

Do.

[Esther Povitsky]

Oh, yours are pretty wide too.

[Elle Orlando]

Oh, my God. The things I can do with my toes is crazy. Show us.

[Host/Moderator]

Do you have it? Thank you.

[Ali Makofsky]

Jeez, this video is going to get so many views.

[Elle Orlando]

Look at this.

[Esther Povitsky]

The separation.

[Elle Orlando]

That you can do that.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

I'm not too impressed.

[Elle Orlando]

You're not too impressed? Check that out.

[Esther Povitsky]

No, that's actually pretty good.

[Host/Moderator]

Oh, yeah? Yeah, it's getting a little weird.

[Elle Orlando]

Oh, you can do a little claw kind of cool. Wait, wait.

[Esther Povitsky]

People don't like that. Can you do the flower hands like this?

[Elle Orlando]

Oh, yeah, Yeah.

[Ali Makofsky]

I can only do.

[Elle Orlando]

I can't do the poor Jewish.

[Host/Moderator]

We can't participate. We don't have these skills.

[Esther Povitsky]

It's weird because I have hypermobility in some positions and then vapes very stiff with like my hamstrings.

[Host/Moderator]

Doesn't hypermobility, though, also mean. And it. I'm not. This is not a stone I'm throwing.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

Doesn't it like correlate with weakness?

[Esther Povitsky]

Oh, yeah. Are you kidding me? My sister, like many on several different occasions in our. Like, she has sprained her ankles, both ankles at the same time doing nothing. Just like standing there. It just gives out.

[Elle Orlando]

I do.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah.

[Elle Orlando]

Ankles just give out.

[Esther Povitsky]

Maybe you have a.

[Elle Orlando]

Wait, what is a.

[Ali Makofsky]

Okay, you need some milk.

[Host/Moderator]

I think you need some mommy milk.

[Elle Orlando]

I do. I think I have aers.

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah.

[Elle Orlando]

For sure.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah. But that's usually a sign, like people just hurting. You're right. It's not a good thing to have no stability in your.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

Cuz I've always been told like. Cuz I'm like. I'm so flexible and people are like, that means you're weak.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah. It's actually not a good thing.

[Ali Makofsky]

Flexible too.

[Host/Moderator]

Okay.

[Elle Orlando]

Can you do the splits? I've always wanted to be able to do the splits. I can't do that.

[Host/Moderator]

Yes, I can.

[Elle Orlando]

Whoa. Pretty cool.

[Host/Moderator]

Even at the ripe age of 38.

[Elle Orlando]

You're 38?

[Host/Moderator]

Yeah.

[Elle Orlando]

Whoa. Isn't that crazy?

[Host/Moderator]

I mean, it's crazy.

[Elle Orlando]

You said you used to be 39 now.

[Ali Makofsky]

I was insane.

[Elle Orlando]

What?

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah, I'm in my 40s now.

[Elle Orlando]

That.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah. That's so crazy.

[Esther Povitsky]

Thank you. Wow.

[Elle Orlando]

Are people just aging better overall because

[Ali Makofsky]

of like, must be.

[Host/Moderator]

I think with good lighting in here.

[Ali Makofsky]

They were also saying cuz we were like the first generation.

[Esther Povitsky]

I didn't really see smoke that might have something.

[Ali Makofsky]

But it's also like vibe. Vibe based, you know? Cuz I think like you guys wear your age younger. Like even if like you guys looked old and haggard. Like I think just your personalities and your vibe.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah. You guys have young personalities.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah, that's true. We're definitely of the Peter Pan variety of not wanting to fully grow up for sure.

[Elle Orlando]

And I think that's overall just like a millet millennial. True. Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

Are you guys not millennials?

[Ali Makofsky]

I think I'm like Gen Z. Cusp.

[Elle Orlando]

You're Gen Z? How old are you?

[Ali Makofsky]

I'm 20. Or. Oh my God. I'm 30.

[Elle Orlando]

I'm 32.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah. I'm like. Right? I think you Guys are Gen z because I'm 1995. I think 96 is like what they say, right? Yeah. But because I have two older sisters, I feel like I relate more to the millennial. But I also understand the Gen Z.

[Esther Povitsky]

Okay, this one is sit outside and eat brunch in 85 degrees weather.

[Host/Moderator]

Absolutely not. What are you talking about?

[Ali Makofsky]

Unless we're in the shade and there's

[Elle Orlando]

like a dare fan.

[Ali Makofsky]

A dare. It's like a fear factor challenge.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Esther Povitsky]

I have to really like love your company and we have to be besties.

[Elle Orlando]

The sweat, once it. Once I hit like 75 degree. Like my. I'm not really like a sweater beyond that. But then once 75 degrees degrees, my face just drips and it won't stop dripping.

[Ali Makofsky]

Oh, interesting.

[Elle Orlando]

And then I can't stop. Like I don't really sweat in my armpits, but in my face. It'll just.

[Host/Moderator]

That sounds so good for your skin.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah, it's probably why your skin's really good. Cuz my hands sweat.

[Elle Orlando]

My hands are clammy and.

[Esther Povitsky]

But then how young do your hands look? Cuz like Korean women always compliment my hands cuz they're like, oh, you have not a single. You like baby hands.

[Elle Orlando]

Beautiful hands.

[Esther Povitsky]

Thank you.

[Ali Makofsky]

Whoa.

[Esther Povitsky]

I do. But it's a sweating.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Thank you.

[Elle Orlando]

I don't know if I have young looking.

[Esther Povitsky]

You do. You do.

[Elle Orlando]

I have man hands right now.

[Ali Makofsky]

No.

[Host/Moderator]

They're pretty.

[Elle Orlando]

Thank you.

[Host/Moderator]

Go to the beach for four hours together and then come home and take a nap. What are you doing at the beach for four hours? Laying.

[Ali Makofsky]

Eating a sandwich.

[Host/Moderator]

Getting a sunburn. Getting sandwich with an umbrella.

[Ali Makofsky]

Umbrella.

[Esther Povitsky]

Snorkeling. Diving.

[Host/Moderator]

Where? What if you need to go to the bathroom or eat something in the ocean?

[Ali Makofsky]

Ocean.

[Host/Moderator]

What if you have to poo?

[Esther Povitsky]

Poo.

[Elle Orlando]

You poop in the ocean, you bury it.

[Host/Moderator]

You guys, can I tell you what

[Esther Povitsky]

it's like to poop in the ocean?

[Elle Orlando]

What?

[Esther Povitsky]

It's a lot harder than most people think cuz it floats. Well, no, it's like you actually have to overcome the pressure of the water. So pushing is not regular pushing. You have to push real hard and that's not good.

[Ali Makofsky]

I don't think I could anybody.

[Elle Orlando]

I did that once when I was young when I was like swimming and then I didn't know that it would float and it floated and then someone was like, mom, a turtle.

[Ali Makofsky]

I'm like,

[Elle Orlando]

damn.

[Host/Moderator]

Oh my gosh. Okay, we have to wrap it up. This has been such a good chill girl day girl dates.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah. Thanks for having me Wait, so are

[Host/Moderator]

you guys on tour? What's going on with your stand up life?

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah, a little bit. I am going to be in Houston May 1st and 2nd and then I'm going to be in New Hampshire, Portsmouth and then Boston, Austin and then opening for Michael Costa in Vermont.

[Esther Povitsky]

I love Michael.

[Elle Orlando]

He's the best. He's such a fun guy.

[Host/Moderator]

He's from Illinois.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

He went to you University of Illinois. It was like a tennis star.

[Elle Orlando]

Yeah, yeah. He's so funny. Yeah, the best.

[Host/Moderator]

What about you?

[Ali Makofsky]

I'm gonna be in New Orleans. I'm gonna be in Denver. I'm gonna be in Chicago.

[Esther Povitsky]

Where are you please?

[Ali Makofsky]

Detroit, San Diego. Go to Ali McCosky.com and come to a show.

[Host/Moderator]

What else do we have to say?

[Elle Orlando]

We have a picture.

[Esther Povitsky]

Go buy ab.

[Host/Moderator]

I love AB is in Sephora. It's amazing. It's Kalila in a bottle. My dream smells so good and I've got nothing going on for a while.

[Ali Makofsky]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator]

But we have a Patreon and there's that's linked below and there's some juicy stuff there and we'll see you guys next week with a brand new episode than thank you to our guests.