ROSEBUD BAKER & BLAIR SOCCI Spill The Gospel

Summary

Trash Tuesday w/ Esther Povitsky & Khalyla Kuhn

Episode: ROSEBUD BAKER & BLAIR SOCCI Spill The Gospel

Date: November 4, 2025
Guests: Rosebud Baker & Blair Socci (plus regulars Jenna Kim Jones and Producer Guy)

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Episode Overview

This lively, chaotic, and highly personal episode brings comedians Rosebud Baker and Blair Socci into the Sluggies' den to riff with hosts Esther Povitsky and Khalyla Kuhn. The main theme orbits around the viral “Trad Wife” and "Christian Girl Autumn" aesthetics, but expands into candid, funny, and sometimes painful discussions about motherhood, friendship, gender roles, family dysfunction, reality TV, and self-acceptance. The crew meanders into deep personal anecdotes, vivid stories about family darkness and resilience, and sharp pop culture takes, all in classic Trash Tuesday style—unfiltered, honest, and hilarious.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trad Wife/Christian Girl Autumn: Cosplay or Core?

• Trad Wife Trends

  • The panel debates the trend of "trad wives"—women who embrace old-fashioned, domesticated roles, complete with butter churning and prairie dresses.
  • It's mostly approached with irony and skepticism, but some traditions appeal, such as family cooking and wearing flowy linen dresses.
  • The group plays a tongue-in-cheek “Trad Wife Point Game” based off whether they’d churn butter, pick herbs in a dress, bake from scratch, or own farm animals.
    • “I like to be a hot milkmaid. For sex, maybe!” – Jenna Kim Jones (43:06)

• Domesticity & Cooking

  • Cooking—especially for the family—becomes a confessional topic, with Rosebud admitting she doesn’t cook at all, while Esther claims “semi-homemade is my energy.”
    • “I just don’t have the counter space [for a butter churner]. And I’m not going to do it more than once a year.” – Rosebud Baker (41:56)

• Dress Like a Victorian Milkmaid Challenge

  • Playful agreement: most would do it “once in a while,” but not as a life commitment (43:03).

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2. The Reality (and Surrealism) of Motherhood

• Parenting Support & Lesbian Envy

  • Discussion about two-mom households and “maternal instincts double,” with tongue-in-cheek “reactionary lesbian” aspirations.
    • “Honestly, if this one doesn’t go, I’m for sure, sure, going reactionary lesbian.” – Esther Povitsky (04:30)

• Motherhood Mishaps and Fears

  • The group shares harrowing and comical tales of kids falling, breath-holding spells (36:10), and parental guilt, ultimately agreeing all kids get hurt—judgment suspended.
    • “You have to forgive yourself. My whole place is babyproofed and no matter what, he’s gonna bang something and cry.” – Esther Povitsky (34:35)
  • Rosebud recounts her daughter fainting from crying: “It’s a three-second spell that feels like it’s three minutes long.” (36:51)

• Generational Differences in Parenting

  • The hosts contrast their own self-awareness with the stoicism or bluntness of their mothers, highlighting cultural shifts in apologizing and addressing kids’ emotional needs.
    • “The fact that [my daughter] knows she’s scared is so important to me... because I didn’t know. I still don’t fucking know.” – Rosebud Baker (68:36)

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3. Family, Loyalty, and Darkness

• Would Your Family Turn You In? (Crime Segment)

  • A darkly funny discussion on whether their families would cover up for them if they committed a crime, with personal stories ranging from relatives serving time for murder to family-induced chicken tragedies.
    • “My uncle, who’s a murderer, would do it again for any of us…He loves me so deeply.” – Esther Povitsky (24:11, 25:44)

• Core Trauma Stories

  • Esther shares a brutal childhood story: her aunt amputated the leg of her beloved childhood chicken out of anger, leading to deep ongoing pain and a reflection on unpredictable intergenerational trauma.
    • “She did the worst thing ever and she cut off one of his legs. That is like a core wound.” – Esther Povitsky (65:46)

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4. Gossip, Friendship & Sensing Vibes

• Who Gossips More—Men or Women?

  • The classic stereotype is debated, with the conclusion that men gossip just as much but rebrand it as “talking.”
    • “All the men I know are way bigger gossips than women are.” – Kalila Holt (16:00)
  • Gossip keeps communities safe, according to Filipino culture anecdotes: “Filipina aunties, moms, gossip and keep the neighborhood safe.” – Esther Povitsky (16:36)

• Social Sensing, Autism, and Friend Vetting

  • Blair discusses her literal-mindedness due to autism, and Rosebud claims to fake friendliness even toward people she senses as “evil.”
    • “She doesn’t know when people are lying—she takes everything so literally.” – Rosebud Baker, about Blair (17:34)

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5. Submission, Gender Roles, and Male Fragility

• Submitting to Husbands—Yay or Nay?

  • Universally rejected, except as a bedroom or performative fantasy, with pointed discussion about men who desire submission as suspect or “little bitch energy.”
    • “[A man] who’s afraid of a woman being powerful is truly...going to insist that she submit because he’s afraid.” – Esther Povitsky (50:46)
    • “If we truly are less than, you should be chill with us doing whatever we want.” – Kalila Holt (51:21)

• Toxicity & Accessories

  • Rosebud’s ex-boyfriend: both physically abusive and “wore the most jewelry,” which is cited as an indignity on par with his violence.
    • “I don’t know what’s worse—the fact he hit me or the fact he wore fedoras.” – Rosebud Baker (52:15)

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6. Reality TV: The Sopranos of Bravo & Guilty Pleasures

• American vs. Foreign Reality TV
  • The group loves reality TV, with Rosebud advocating for the “dark” side (“The Valley”), while others argue British/foreign shows are less toxic but equally addictive.
    • “Vanderpump Rules...is like the Sopranos of reality TV.” – Rosebud Baker (56:25)
  • “It’s like wrestling for women.” – Jenna Kim Jones (55:56)
• Binge vs. Scheduled Viewing
  • A debate on whether shows like Breaking Bad should be binged:
    • “Breaking Bad is exactly meant to be binged.” – Rosebud Baker (58:25)
    • “No, it’s not... That’s why your brain is so twisted.” – Jenna Kim Jones (58:28)

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7. School, Homework, and Societal Pressures

• Homeschool, Homework, and Gendered Expectations
  • Homeschooling is a contentious topic—they appreciate its safety but worry about raising “weird” kids. Most agree American school culture—especially homework and academic rigor—is outdated and overwhelming.
    • “The idea of homework is absolute bullshit…I hated it, it took away my time to just be a kid.” – Esther Povitsky (60:06)

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8. Cloning, Self-Love, and the Limits of Identity

• Would You Clone Your Pet? Yourself?
  • Kalila fantasizes about having 40 clones of her dog. Esther warns, referencing a This American Life story where a cloned bull turns violent.
    • “You can’t clone a soul.” – Rosebud Baker (70:12)
  • The idea of cloning yourself leads to concerns about evil or manipulative clones: “What if your clone stole your man?” (71:24)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You have to forgive yourself. My whole place is babyproofed and no matter what, he’s gonna bang something and cry.”
  — Esther Povitsky (34:35)

• “If you really want to feel alive, go to a trapeze class. For real.”
  — Rosebud Baker (13:04)

• “All the men I know are way bigger gossips than women are.”
  — Kalila Holt (16:00)

• “My uncle, who’s a murderer, would do it again for any of us... He loves me so deeply.”
  — Esther Povitsky (24:11)

• “The fact that [my daughter] knows she’s scared is so important to me...because I didn’t know. I still don’t fucking know.”
  — Rosebud Baker (68:36)

• “If we truly are less than, you should be chill with us doing whatever we want, why are you obsessed?”
  — Kalila Holt (51:21)

• “I don’t know what’s worse—the fact he hit me or the fact he wore fedoras.”
  — Rosebud Baker (52:15)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• Christian Girl Autumn & Trad Wife Aesthetics: 03:34 – 09:10
• Motherhood, Cooking & Domesticity: 10:02 – 13:07
• Gossip & Social Sensing: 16:00 – 18:44
• Family Loyalty & Crime Stories: 23:31 – 26:07
• Submitting to Partners (Gender Roles): 48:55 – 51:50
• Trauma, Childhood, and Parenting Styles: 46:17 – 49:07; 68:01 – 69:08
• Farm Animals & Heartbreak Stories: 65:14 – 66:56
• Trad Wife Game (Butter, Baking, Dress-up): 41:01 – 44:13
• Reality TV, Bravo, and Binge Culture: 55:46 – 58:49
• Cloning Pets & Yourself: 69:16 – 71:07

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Tone & Style

Unapologetically raw, self-deprecating, and hilarious, this episode blends serious reflections with irreverence and plenty of bits. The hosts and guests are quick to undercut heavy moments with warmth or a joke, creating an atmosphere that is cathartic and inclusive—like eavesdropping on an overdue catch-up between old friends who’ve seen, and survived, a lot.

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Takeaway

“Trash Tuesday”’s magic is in the mess: dark jokes meet honest confessions, pop culture gets improbably deep, and the line between performance and vulnerability vanishes. Whether tackling trauma, failed relationships, reality TV, or what it means to be a “trad wife” in 2025, this crew finds humor—and maybe healing—in their shared struggles.

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Ultimate Trad Wife 2025:
Khalyla takes the win: “Milk maid K, six points...and big, big old tatties.” (71:50)

Closing:
Warm send-offs, plugs for upcoming tour dates and new podcasts (Rosebud’s and Jenna’s), and an affectionate promise to reconvene for more chaos next week.

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Perfect for: Fans of unfiltered female comedy, surreal family stories, or anyone struggling to “do it right” (and laugh while trying).

Transcript

[Esther Povitsky]

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[Rosebud Baker]

You can't clone a soul and you meet your clone and let's say your clone is like, I don't know, a Disney adult or something.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah, I'm not cloning myself.

[Rosebud Baker]

Oh, what if your clone was like manipulative and was like trying to, trying to like steal people out of your life? What if your clone had like a relationship with your significant other that they tried?

[Esther Povitsky]

What if your clone stole Dave?

[Kalila Holt]

You guys, why are you going down this road?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I agree.

[Kalila Holt]

Hi Slugs. I'm so excited. I've been having so much fun on tour. I love seeing you guys. This month I've got Philadelphia, Boston and New York City. Those are all going to be November 14th, 15th and 16th. And you can get tickets at the link below or@prettylittlebaby tour.com slugs, we just recorded a Patreon. All of us, Jules, Jenna and Coco and I. And if you want to check it out, you can go to the Patreon. Patreon. We actually covered a lot of like, dating. Jules has some dating stuff going on.

[Esther Povitsky]

You want to find out Jules's secret crush? Oh, sign up for our Patreon. Help her in her dilemma.

[Kalila Holt]

With this boy, I had to face humiliation also and I handled it. So you can check out the Patreon and shout out to our golden slug, Brandon. Welcome to Christian Girl Autumn. Unfortunately, I'm the ugly friend that got invited as a prank.

[Rosebud Baker]

You're not the ugly friend.

[Kalila Holt]

Oh, really?

[Rosebud Baker]

Not the ugly friend? Is it Kalila friend, You just the girl that didn't understand the theme. That's all you are.

[Kalila Holt]

We have back in action, our favorite duo. I was thinking today, if someone asked me, like, do you think Rosebud Baker and Blair Saki would be friends? I'd be like, no, that makes no sense. But they're best friends. We've got Rosebud and Blair, the two hilarious comedians. And can I just say, I saw you on Saturday night at the Improv and I was like reborn again as a standup fan.

[Rosebud Baker]

Oh my God, Kila, I wish you.

[Kalila Holt]

Had been there with me. I was crying, laughing so hard in the back and like, literally it was like me and the audience. I was like, oh, I'm an audience member. I get why standup is actually. When it's right, it could be the most exciting, fun experience of all time. Because you're laughing so hard. You so fun, funny.

[Rosebud Baker]

Thank you.

[Kalila Holt]

And shout out to Andy because all your stuff about your husband.

[Rosebud Baker]

It's so mean.

[Kalila Holt]

Is so good. It's.

[Rosebud Baker]

It is so mean. I do feel bad for him, but I also don't.

[Kalila Holt]

It's just so funny because even though like Dave and Andy are not similar at all, it's like as people just. They're just very different vibes. But like it's a universal, like husband. When you're like mom and dad. Like, like.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Kalila Holt]

Just the little things that you have in your mind as a mom that the other person doesn't have.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yes.

[Kalila Holt]

Like, that is so universal.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

On the way here, I was on the phone with my friend from Florida and she just got her 20 week anatomy scan.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

And she's married to a woman. And I low key envy that set up because it's like the both maternity. The both instincts of a woman are present.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yes.

[Esther Povitsky]

In the newborn trenches.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. Like, what a gift my second marriage is going to be to a woman.

[Kalila Holt]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Honestly, if this one doesn't go, I'm for sure, sure. Going reactionary lesbian.

[Kalila Holt]

I hear that a lot. I hear that a lot.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I have this discussion with my manager the other day and she goes, you know, I have a friend, she's like, I prefer with men, but I just rather be in a relationship with a woman. So that's what I did.

[Rosebud Baker]

That makes so much sense.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I know. I'm like, okay, maybe evolution or something.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. Yeah, let's do it. Let's all do it right now. How does that happen with four?

[Esther Povitsky]

We can figure that out.

[Kalila Holt]

Delilah knows.

[Rosebud Baker]

The way you put both hands on your. Like a softball coach.

[Esther Povitsky]

A trad wife knows.

[Kalila Holt]

The one argument I'll say though against the lesbian couple that you're friends with is that if the mom.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Okay, Trump.

[Rosebud Baker]

Against the lesbian couple that you know and are friends with. 2025.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

We interrupt this podcast.

[Rosebud Baker]

Hear me out.

[Kalila Holt]

Is if the mom who's not carrying the baby is anything like me, I don't think that they're cut out.

[Esther Povitsky]

She's nothing like you.

[Kalila Holt]

Okay.

[Esther Povitsky]

I mean, this woman is like a go getter. She's like a. She's like a chief of police.

[Kalila Holt]

Oh, my God.

[Esther Povitsky]

Like some really high rank. Like really just like.

[Kalila Holt]

Okay. Because I don't.

[Esther Povitsky]

I get what you're saying. If it's like even low energy.

[Kalila Holt]

I needed the pregnancy to sort of like, recalibrate my brain to be mommy.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. If somebody had just tossed me a kid, I really don't know what. I don't know how things would have turned out.

[Esther Povitsky]

Not good for me.

[Rosebud Baker]

No.

[Kalila Holt]

It would have been my classic plan, which was leave the baby at my parents doorstep and let them figure it out again.

[Rosebud Baker]

Good luck.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

I won't be calling.

[Esther Povitsky]

So our theme today, we should really point this out because I don't want to just be here in this without explanation.

[Rosebud Baker]

I want you to be.

[Esther Povitsky]

I'm bothered. I'm bothered.

[Rosebud Baker]

I'm not.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I'm loving every sec.

[Esther Povitsky]

It's Christian girl Autumn. But I went trad wife with it. Churn butter. Make mozzarella from scratch.

[Kalila Holt]

If you started a TikTok page like this.

[Rosebud Baker]

I just made your own cereal.

[Kalila Holt]

I'm just saying I would.

[Rosebud Baker]

I would watch every video same.

[Esther Povitsky]

I do know how to cook. You know, I. I feel like I could get there. It's just that my essence is very brute, you know, it's just I'm very like, I have a big back essence. Like a. Like a get me in there. Like, tractor.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Not necessarily churning butter.

[Rosebud Baker]

More pioneer woman than Treadway.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yes.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kalila Holt]

Did Aloha your partner see you in this dress?

[Esther Povitsky]

Oh, this is probably his dream. Like, I probably look like the epitome of everything he wants, but he'll never have.

[Kalila Holt]

But did he see it?

[Rosebud Baker]

What did he say?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

He's gonna have it today.

[Esther Povitsky]

Oh, this is coming off before I get home. He will. He cannot see this. He cannot see my potential because he can only see, like, boxers and like, there's A really ratchet. He cannot see that I have hot mom potential. I don't. I can't live up to it.

[Kalila Holt]

I actually like this, this idea of keeping your potential away from your partner. Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Specifically from your partner. The rest of can see you as a hot girl except your partner. I think.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. I think like Andy sometimes gets upset because he'll see, like, I get, I look hot when I go out with my friends. And he'll be like, why are you getting so dressed up to go out with your friends? And I'm like, if you even finish this sentence, I really. It's over for you. Just stop. Like stop right now. It's going to be bad.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

That man I was dating, like, it was short lived. But every time I'd be like getting ready to go, he's like, who's gonna be there? I was like, oh, it's a gay party. It's a gay dude's party. And he's like, well, you're really like getting dressed up. I'm like, yeah, because I respect them.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, these are.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

These are men that dress well and go to the gym. And you know, I do understand this.

[Esther Povitsky]

Because there was a time when I was as Ivy woke us, as a reactionary lesbian. And after I broke up with Bobby, I went on a date or two with a girl. I'd never been more like terrified about every tiny detail. Like my nails had to be clean because it's like when girl. Girls look at things, guys don't care. It's like a hole in a heartbeat. Like you're sat in front of them like they don't fucking care. But the girls, they'll look and they'll look at the tiny little details. So it was very. I could never do it again. Just.

[Kalila Holt]

You know what? This is Christian girl. Autumn, you're talking way too much like a sailor. These, these gay relations.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, you're right.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

You're right.

[Kalila Holt]

I'm so.

[Esther Povitsky]

I'm subverting.

[Rosebud Baker]

Right?

[Kalila Holt]

That is not what the people are tuning in.

[Esther Povitsky]

Lesbians.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I don't think so.

[Kalila Holt]

Right, that.

[Rosebud Baker]

No, no.

[Esther Povitsky]

Let's talk Christian values.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Okay.

[Esther Povitsky]

How about that? Let me clean up my act real quick.

[Kalila Holt]

What are they? I don't know.

[Esther Povitsky]

I don't know. Tell me. Tell me how I should behave.

[Kalila Holt]

Bake of apple pie.

[Esther Povitsky]

Oh, okay. I can do that.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Apples.

[Kalila Holt]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Checklist. Wait.

[Kalila Holt]

I think I'm the most Christian girl here. I'm so qualified.

[Rosebud Baker]

I think so.

[Esther Povitsky]

I disagree. You are the nastiest little I've ever met in my life. I mean, you're so unchristian.

[Kalila Holt]

I made an apple crisp this week.

[Rosebud Baker]

You did?

[Kalila Holt]

My family.

[Esther Povitsky]

Whoa.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

That's a lot of points.

[Rosebud Baker]

The way you crazy snarled at the end.

[Kalila Holt]

Family. I don't know.

[Rosebud Baker]

You have been. You have been cooking a lot. Yeah, I've been noticing a lot of cooking content.

[Kalila Holt]

Cooking is a new passion for me. I know. I'm so original and different and special and talented. Actually, last night was our one year wedding anniversary, and I surprised Dave with a cooking class. It was actually so fun.

[Esther Povitsky]

You went to go learn to cook a meal?

[Kalila Holt]

Yeah, we made chicken. It wasn't that advanced, but it was like we each made the dinner. Like, they gave us instructions and we each made the same dinner. And I was like, I know somehow his will, everything that he makes will taste better than mine. And it did that. I don't know. That's just like my lot in life. I don't do the best job.

[Rosebud Baker]

You're like, I do the best I can, but it's not the best.

[Kalila Holt]

Yeah.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Cooking takes practice, though. What's you.

[Kalila Holt]

Yeah. You know, it's just weird. We're following the exact same instructions, and I don't know why. His chicken was juicier. His crostinis were better. Like, I just. There's something about me where I, like, rush or I. I don't know, maybe, you know, I think you take things.

[Esther Povitsky]

Out too soon that. Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

Cause you knew exactly everything about Esther.

[Esther Povitsky]

Is taking things out too soon before it's ready.

[Rosebud Baker]

Okay. So you get excited about the result.

[Kalila Holt]

And then I go for it. Do you guys ever.

[Esther Povitsky]

Do you ever cook another thing. Sorry, Another note that I. You're too neat. You got to learn to, like, eyeball and, like, cook with your heart.

[Rosebud Baker]

Wow.

[Esther Povitsky]

When you follow instructions, you are following it mathematically. And I think that, like, good cooks know how to just, like, eyeball and like.

[Kalila Holt]

Yeah. I don't have that, like, sexual touch.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. Throw your. Throw your into it.

[Kalila Holt]

Like, I'm not, like, feeling my body when I'm cooking.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Kalila Holt]

Maybe I should stick to baking.

[Rosebud Baker]

I think baking is very mathematical.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

It's very finite, and you have to do everything perfectly. That's why I hate it.

[Esther Povitsky]

Me too. That's why I suck at baking.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I'm like you. I like to see what we got here.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

In there.

[Kalila Holt]

Rosebud. Do you ever cook for your family?

[Rosebud Baker]

No, no.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Andy cooks.

[Rosebud Baker]

Andy cooks. I don't know what I do actually, when it comes for my family. I make money. Yeah.

[Kalila Holt]

That's important.

[Rosebud Baker]

No, I don't cook. I just, like And I thought that having a kid would make me, like, want to cook or learn to cook, but I think I just. Just. I have to wait for Andy to die to learn how.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

Because that's the only thing that's gonna make me do it.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I'll buy you a cookbook.

[Rosebud Baker]

I'm not gonna use it. Oh, I wish I was into cooking. It's such a creative thing to do. I hope that I get, like, more hobbies over the next, like, couple years.

[Kalila Holt]

Like, that's a nice hope.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

What are we close to picking up?

[Rosebud Baker]

Nothing yet.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I just reminded her of when she was doing what Silk acrobatics.

[Rosebud Baker]

Oh, no. I did trapeze.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Trapeze.

[Rosebud Baker]

I did trapeze for a while.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

She's like, I got it at a trapeze class. I'm like, all right, you freaking psycho.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. I really, like.

[Esther Povitsky]

That's not even a hobby. That's like, that's full on.

[Rosebud Baker]

If you're feeling depressed, by the way, go to a trapeze class. Like, for real. It will. It will help. It's so fun. If you're like an adrenaline junkie, it's really fun.

[Esther Povitsky]

I'm not.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Not opposite.

[Rosebud Baker]

Are you? Yeah.

[Kalila Holt]

Yeah. What do you do for silver?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

People are.

[Rosebud Baker]

I don't. Yeah.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

It makes me feel horror movies.

[Rosebud Baker]

So I do. I watch horror movies to go to sleep and stuff.

[Kalila Holt]

Do you like roller coasters?

[Rosebud Baker]

I love them.

[Kalila Holt]

Yeah. You're nasty.

[Rosebud Baker]

I love them.

[Esther Povitsky]

You're right. Every single sober person they love does buy me adrenaline. Oh, my God. That's all he does is watch horror films. To sleep and ride roller coasters.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Those are like, the two prerequisites.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. And vape and Dre drink coffee and non stop. Just like you guys all move around.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Like you and Bobby both move around really fast. You're like.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Fidgety little guys.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. Yeah. Hard to catch. I can't sit in a chair normally. I hope I go back to trapeze, but I'm not sure that I will. I'm taking dance classes with Minnow with Min. We're doing a Mommy and me dance class.

[Kalila Holt]

How is it going?

[Rosebud Baker]

We haven't gone yet. I did sign up, but we haven't been to one.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

That's pretty big.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. There's like, Alvin A Classes in New York.

[Kalila Holt]

Alvin Ailey? That's so legit.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

What's Alvin Ailey?

[Kalila Holt]

It's like a really famous dance company and also a dance studio. Oh, you're in New York. You have all the best dance acts.

[Rosebud Baker]

I know. I Know, I really want to. I'm like, we have to go to dance classes together.

[Kalila Holt]

Wait, did you guys move?

[Rosebud Baker]

We did.

[Kalila Holt]

Where did you guys move?

[Rosebud Baker]

Midtown.

[Kalila Holt]

East.

[Rosebud Baker]

East.

[Kalila Holt]

Even closer to all the best dance studios.

[Rosebud Baker]

It is true. That is true. Black box theaters, you know, Minho was living in a closet for, like, in my closet for, like, way too long. Yeah. And Andy and I were looking at her. We were like, we literally don't want her to see pictures of this. We need to move. So we got a two bedroom. And it was like, the second that Trump got elected, I was like, oh, my God, inflation's gonna go insane. We have to just buy a place now or we're never gonna buy a place. And so we had. We bought a place, which is exciting.

[Kalila Holt]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

Except now I'm huge. Really? A New Yorker. I'm like, we're there, and I can't.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Wait till she has to come out here.

[Rosebud Baker]

I have to stay there for two years because it's a co op, which means, like, we had to, like, interview with the board. And the board is.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

No, I know what that is. From Sex in the City. When they don't want Samantha and they say she's a whore for hooking up with the guy in the.

[Rosebud Baker]

It is that same vibe. It is like a vibe where you're like, oh, you don't want me here. You know, Like, I hated them so much that I was like, I want to join the board.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I have to infiltrate them.

[Rosebud Baker]

I was like, I need to get on the plane. Yeah.

[Kalila Holt]

To punish them.

[Rosebud Baker]

They weren't even, like, bad to us. I walked out. I was so combative. Andy was like, it went well. And I was like, they don't want us. I was like, okay.

[Kalila Holt]

Do you know one thing that's so crazy to me? Like, I was thinking about this on my way here, like, and I don't know why, but there's this idea that women are gossips and men aren't. Right. We all, like, know that. Like, classic trope. But I'm, like, thinking about it, and all the men that I know are way bigger gossips than women are. And I'm like, where did this come from? Like, is it because, like, historically maybe it's true that men were not gossipy, and like, now today, all the men we know are just, like, little bitches.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

No, they just didn't see themselves as what they're doing as gossip because they rebranded as just talking.

[Esther Povitsky]

So in the Philippines, one of the reasons why we don't have any, I guess, known serial killers There's a lot of corruption and death and a lot of, like, wild, wild west shit that goes on there. But we haven't had any, like, infamous serial killers. And they say that that's because Filipina, like, aunties, moms, like, gossip, gossip, gossip, and keep the neighborhood safe. So if they see something even remotely suspicious, like within three seconds, someone else knows. Like, they don't keep their mouth shut about anything.

[Kalila Holt]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

So I do think gossip is necessary.

[Kalila Holt]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

And it's like, imagine you like, saying, like, hey, watch out for that you're a good friend of mine. And you're like, hey. Like, I don't want to say too much, but like, watch out for that person. I love that information. I love that intel.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, yeah, you need it.

[Esther Povitsky]

You need it, right? Yeah.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Rosebud with every person I speak to.

[Rosebud Baker]

It's true.

[Kalila Holt]

Wait, what do you mean?

[Rosebud Baker]

Well, because she's autistic, so she doesn't know when people are lying. Like, she takes everything so literally.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

It's. Yeah, that part's frustrating. But I can absolutely sense. Like, you can sense and someone. She'll be friendly because, like, I literally can't be fake to anyone. Like, I can't hide if I don't.

[Kalila Holt]

Like, I'm a little like.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

You'll be like, hi. And I'll just be like. Because I don't like them.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, I can get along with everyone, but I do know I get along.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

With everyone, but I can sense immediately that I have no interest in a friendship with this person.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, Yeah. I just feel like I can fake it with whoever, even if they're like, fucking evil. Yeah, I can fake it, but it's like, I just clock it. You know what I mean? I'll just be like, oh, this person would literally kill me. You know what I mean? But I'm like, I'm gonna smile and.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Hug them and I'll feel theirs and I'll feel.

[Rosebud Baker]

Cause we're gonna line up together.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I'll feel their sinister energy from 35ft away. And then I'll just be like this.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, they're just like sitting in the back. Like, no, no, I just.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

No, I just talked to someone else. I'm like, ah.

[Rosebud Baker]

But I do give you a heads up with people. I'll be like, this person is lying to you.

[Kalila Holt]

You're like, that's not really a prince.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kalila Holt]

Another country.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I know now I have a much better awareness with men just from copious life experience. But early on she'd be like, no, that's a lie. That's a full lie. Like, what do you mean? Why would he say it then if it's a lie?

[Rosebud Baker]

No, she was, like, reading a certain celebrity's age off of Wikipedia the other day, and she was like. Like, oh, she's this. She's this many years old. And I was like, blair, that's not true. Like, it's.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

It's public record.

[Rosebud Baker]

It's Wikipedia, and it's an actress. Actresses births is.

[Esther Povitsky]

Are not height. Height is also very inaccurate, you guys. Yeah, it's wrong. No, my birthday is wrong online, I.

[Kalila Holt]

Think that's really hard to fudge.

[Esther Povitsky]

I think you can get it wrong. Wikipedia gets a lot of things wrong.

[Rosebud Baker]

They get a lot of things wrong.

[Esther Povitsky]

For example, on my Wikipedia, the picture is of Bobby.

[Kalila Holt]

Well, to be fair, that is accurate.

[Esther Povitsky]

It's not even a picture of me.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. And my Wikipedia feet is, like, five out of ten. And it should be two. It should be two.

[Esther Povitsky]

Wait, what is your Mickey feet.

[Rosebud Baker]

I don't.

[Esther Povitsky]

It's not good.

[Rosebud Baker]

It's not good, but it should be worse than what it is.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I haven't looked in a couple years, but I know my score's high.

[Rosebud Baker]

I heard that weird feet is. They're, like, more sellable, though.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah, that's what guy was telling us.

[Rosebud Baker]

The weirder the better.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

Okay. In that case, I might actually capitalize off this.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Are you guy.

[Producer Guy]

Yeah.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Do you have a feet thing?

[Producer Guy]

No, I'm just aware of the whole.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, they like weird ones.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

And I've got some weird ones.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Well, my feet are my favorite part of my body, and I. My sad rip. My only fans. They're exquisite, Esther. I mean, look, I'm not putting down anything else.

[Kalila Holt]

They're just.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

They're exceptional.

[Rosebud Baker]

You take a shoe off?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Off. No.

[Rosebud Baker]

Show the people for free.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Not in Christian girl Autumn.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

You know, one of the saddest stories. Let's go there.

[Rosebud Baker]

Let's hear it.

[Esther Povitsky]

Since I'm in a long skirt today. It jogged the memory of a time when my cousin was married to a pastor and he was a Pentecostal pastor. They were married for 12 years, and she went from being a punk rock girly, like, tattoo, just being so hot, so cool. To falling in love with this dude who was like, wear, you know, skirts down to your ankles, grow your hair down to your ankles, cover up your tattoos, and be, like, a woman of God. And she did. Right? And then she finds out 12 years later that he's literally fucked the entire congregation. Yeah. It's like. So if a guy tells you to wear Long skirts and find God. Don't do it, girls.

[Kalila Holt]

Well, controlling is always a bad sign. Yeah, I've been watching so much 48 hours, like lately.

[Esther Povitsky]

The first 48.

[Kalila Holt]

No, 48 hours. I'm so sick of meeting people who don't know what 48 hours.

[Esther Povitsky]

I don't know what first 48 is.

[Rosebud Baker]

I don't know what either of those things are.

[Kalila Holt]

48 hours is like a classic show. It's like an hour long show where they tell a story about a mother. Yeah, I just. Who hasn't heard of 48 Hours? Did you not have a mother like me? But I've been watching it a lot because there's so many episodes on YouTube. You can just like go to town and never run out. That's great, but literally I'm just gonna spoil every episode for you right now.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Because I'm not gonna watch Every episode.

[Kalila Holt]

Is a woman is murdered. And then they're like, it was a. A suicide or it was a. A stranger and that. And then they're like, case close, but wait. And then they reopen the case and they're like, actually was her husband 99%. And I know that's true, but it's just like, it's. It's just so in my face. I was telling Dave last night, he's like, see, I told you. Because he's always trying to tell me like, I shouldn't be afraid of strangers, I should only be afraid of him.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Kalila Holt]

As a way to. But my point with that is also why I thought of that is because I feel like those controlling is always like a first signal that he's gonna kill you.

[Esther Povitsky]

I think so. But let me tell you about the first 48. The first 48. Did you watch that show?

[Producer Guy]

Absolute. Absolutely.

[Esther Povitsky]

Thank you. See, people know that the first 48 is basically like they present a crime.

[Rosebud Baker]

Am I the only. Do you not have. Do you know about either of these shows?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I've heard of both of them, but it's not what I was talking.

[Esther Povitsky]

Crime related. First 48. They have 48 hours to get to basically find like a true lead or a true answer to it. Or else they say if you don't find that in the first 48 hours, the case usually goes cold.

[Rosebud Baker]

Right.

[Producer Guy]

And they have to let the person go who they have in right city. After 40.

[Esther Povitsky]

After 40. Awesome.

[Rosebud Baker]

That's awesome.

[Kalila Holt]

Do you think if you committed a crime and your family knew that you did it, would they turn you in?

[Rosebud Baker]

No, I'm a wasp.

[Kalila Holt]

They just.

[Rosebud Baker]

They'd be like, she Hit a deer. Absolutely not.

[Kalila Holt]

Oh, my God.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I would turn myself in.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I'm riddled with guilt.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I'm guilty before I even did.

[Rosebud Baker]

How many hours do you think it would be before you did it?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

One second later.

[Rosebud Baker]

One second later.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I'm on my way. Okay, well, I know where you'd have.

[Rosebud Baker]

The body in the back, and you'd drive to the police station.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I called the cops to come to me.

[Rosebud Baker]

You go, it was me. Pop the trunk.

[Esther Povitsky]

I feel like they would never turn me in.

[Rosebud Baker]

Really?

[Esther Povitsky]

No, not a chance. We're, like, thick as thieves. We don't. Yeah, we don't fuck around with murders. I mean, look, we don't fuck around with murderers. I have murderers in my family. Right. The funny thing is that my uncle, who's a murderer, who killed my other uncle, like, he was in, like, in prison for, I want to say, 17 years. And he would do it again, like, for any of us. Like, anytime I go back home to the Philippines, and, like, you see, like, he's. He. He wears, like, the.

[Rosebud Baker]

A wife.

[Esther Povitsky]

We go to, like, a fight. Say, for instance, what you want to. You know, like, in the Philippines, we literally created the sport.

[Kalila Holt]

You would go to that.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yes. I go. And it's sad and it makes me cry. But it also is, like, cultural, right?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

So we go. And he wears his. Like, he has his rosary and he wears his, like, wife beater or whatever. But he really, really wants it to be known to everyone that. It's like, if anyone with you, you tell me, I will gladly go back in the pen. Like, I will absolutely, like. Like, kill someone in cold blood in broad daylight again, like, no questions asked.

[Kalila Holt]

That's awesome. But I shouldn't say that. But.

[Rosebud Baker]

He'S my hero.

[Kalila Holt]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

He's a scary person. And he's, you know, horrible. What he did.

[Kalila Holt]

You're still in touch with him?

[Rosebud Baker]

I support his family in exchange for murders. Exchange for a couple murders a year.

[Esther Povitsky]

But I'm terrified of him. I am legitimately scared. I'm like, oh, this person's, like, really, like, unwell.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

But he, like, loves me so deeply, so, you know.

[Rosebud Baker]

You do? Mob rules.

[Esther Povitsky]

Mob rules, yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Kalila Holt]

That's kind of like, one of the goals. Like, I know that's not a romantic relationship, but don't you feel like there's, like, an. Do you ever have that, like, fantasy when you're younger of, like, you know, you fall in love with, like, Bigfoot, and then Bigfoot protects you?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Like, Beauty and the Beast?

[Kalila Holt]

Kind of. Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Why Bigfoot?

[Kalila Holt]

Well, I'm just thinking of someone.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, Bigfoot.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

How'd you find Bigfoot?

[Kalila Holt]

Like a beast? Or like, someone that, like, everyone else would be scared of.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Right.

[Kalila Holt]

But, like, you see the beauty in him.

[Rosebud Baker]

That's Beauty and the Beast.

[Kalila Holt]

It's not Esther and Bigfoot.

[Rosebud Baker]

Bigfoot is another version. That's what they. That's what they pitched originally, and they're.

[Kalila Holt]

Like, through all these different voices.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

If you were with Bigfoot, he could just, like, pick you up with his hand. Like, you could take a ride. Like King Kong. You could just take a ride.

[Kalila Holt]

No, that's King Kong.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Well, yeah, Bigfoot's not like King Kong.

[Kalila Holt]

Okay, if Bigfoot is not King Kong, obviously.

[Esther Povitsky]

Talk about her crush like this.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Obviously.

[Rosebud Baker]

Nobody knows Bigfoot like Hester does.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah. He's just a large beast, and you're a little, tiny gal.

[Esther Povitsky]

Imagine we go to your childhood bedroom, and it's just posters.

[Kalila Holt]

You're like. You just close the door. You're like, let's go somewhere else.

[Rosebud Baker]

Wait.

[Esther Povitsky]

Would your family turn you in? It's the kitchen.

[Kalila Holt]

I. I don't think so. I don't think my dad would because I'm, like, literally all he has. Like, he has no living relatives besides me. And I think that my mom and her side of the family are. They're, like, lifelong enablers of many different forms. And so I think that my mom would. Would go along with whatever I say.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Kalila Holt]

I was thinking this morning, like, my mom is, like, my perfect friend. I know there's a lot that's not right between us. Like, you know, when I gained weight, she was not nice. And, you know, famously recently, she said my child would be better off in daycare than at home with me.

[Rosebud Baker]

Oh, my God.

[Kalila Holt]

But, like, other than that, she always answers like, we're really. Like, she is the perfect friend. Other than those really mean, piercing things that I'll never. That we'll never.

[Rosebud Baker]

That you'll never forget that will haunt me forever. Yeah. I do think that you're, like, programmed to think of your mom as your perfect friend, though, because she's your first one. She sort of designed the idea of friendship in your brain, like, she formed it.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

My mom and I like, all the same stuff. She program me. Yeah. Like, she's such a great hang. She'll be up for, like, anything that I want to do. I'm like, you want to go get margaritas? You want to go get pizza? You want to go to attendance 10:00am movie? You know, she's just always down.

[Kalila Holt]

I think that I don't agree with you. I think that that's your interests. And your mom loves you because you're her daughter and she's gonna have fun doing anything with you.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

No, there's things I wanna do that she'll say no to. But we mostly like all the same stuff.

[Rosebud Baker]

I don't know. My mom and I are so different in like a crazy way where, like, we've had arguments where I was like, there's not enough hours in the day for the amount of crying breaks that you have to.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

You're like a man compared to your mom.

[Rosebud Baker]

When I took her to Italy and I was like, I'm gonna take my mom to Italy. It'll be like a bonding trip. I was pregnant. She stopped. She read every single museum sign. And I would like, find different benches to sit on. And she would cry at every single painting. What? Every single. Because my mom's like a really good painter, but she would cry at at every painting and she would be like, it's just so beautiful. She'd be like, look at that brushwork. I just can't. And I was like, I'm pregnant. Sitting there going like, how are you crying more than me? But I was like, you gotta stop crying so much. And she loved that and she started crying.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah.

[Kalila Holt]

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[Kalila Holt]

Have to Ask you something. So we were together this weekend.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Kalila Holt]

And you witnessed. I actually am like, but this literally since I saw you last time, like, she must be judging me as a mom, which I was like, laughing about. Like, I hope you are. But, like, you witnessed Ace take, like, a crazy tumble.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah. The corner of the table.

[Kalila Holt]

Yeah. Like, it was like she. The way she fell. It was like she almost, like, fell twice in one fall, but, like, somehow missed the corner of the table.

[Esther Povitsky]

Really close call.

[Kalila Holt]

And like, she ended up being completely fine. But, like, if you viewed the fall, you're like, it's so crazy. It's happening so fast. Are you, like, are you horrified by that?

[Esther Povitsky]

No. No. Because you were in a new home. Home, not your own. You can't. It's not baby proofed anywhere. Like, these things just happen. And, you know, she. You know, she took a little spill, but we. We were fine. She was fine.

[Kalila Holt]

Do you feel like if you were. If it was reversed, would you have freaked out?

[Esther Povitsky]

No, I. I really don't judge. Like, now that I have, like, a toddler, like, they just get hurt.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Like, there's just. It's inevitable. Like, my whole place is baby proofed, and no matter what, he's gonna bang something and cry and, you know, you have to forgive yourself. So when I look at other moms, like, it just. That should have just happened because I was like. Were you worried?

[Kalila Holt]

I was not actually worried. Like, I was laughing, but I was like, I can't believe Klila witnessed that. It looked so bad.

[Esther Povitsky]

No, it didn't. It didn't look bad at all.

[Kalila Holt]

Okay.

[Esther Povitsky]

And by the way, I was there too, so I obviously didn't have a call.

[Rosebud Baker]

It's never. It's like, graceful the way that they do it. They. It's like someone who just learned how to walk falling down.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

They look drunk.

[Rosebud Baker]

They look crazy.

[Kalila Holt]

It's so cute.

[Rosebud Baker]

And is it one. Was it one of those falls where it's like, it happens, like, fast but slow at the same time? And you're like, I'm seeing it in.

[Kalila Holt]

Stages, and I don't think I've ever had that before.

[Esther Povitsky]

We all saw it too. And, like, we all didn't do. We clearly no one caught her.

[Kalila Holt]

Right.

[Esther Povitsky]

We were like four people there. No one caught her.

[Rosebud Baker]

So you're like, you're watching it and you're like, I can't laugh, but it is kind of funny.

[Esther Povitsky]

But we all try to just be like, oh, that was fine. That was okay. And we, like, did this to the corner.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Or like covering the corner. Like it changed anything.

[Rosebud Baker]

Oh, yeah. This is a big thing for me is like covering the corner of the table while she's falling. Because I'm like, I'm not going to be able to stop the fall, but I'll stop the whatever impact it might have. You know what I mean? The falls are crazy. Minho has fallen so many times and she does this thing where. And my sister did it and I did it where you cry so hard that you faint. And she has done it three times now.

[Esther Povitsky]

The breath holding spells.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yes. She's fall and then she holds her breath, like while. Because she's trying to cry and she faints. And so you're like, oh, my God. Like it's. You know what I mean? It's like terrifying. So terrifying.

[Esther Povitsky]

I hear that's actually a lot more common. And anytime my baby cries, because I know that does happen. Yeah, I.

[Rosebud Baker]

You have to blow in their face.

[Esther Povitsky]

You have to blow hard to like break the cry.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

But that's been my biggest fear, One of my bigger fears. It's like, please don't hold your breath, please. Because sometimes they just. Just stay with their mouth open and they just stay.

[Rosebud Baker]

They're like silent and they can't. It's like they can't, like, they can't like breathe in. And so she's. It's happened to her three times and it's.

[Kalila Holt]

What do you do?

[Rosebud Baker]

Scary. Like, I'll just. I'll literally like hold her. I'll blow in her face like that, non stop. And then I'll grab like an ice. I'll grab ice and put like ice on her face. She doesn't stay like unconscious for longer than like three seconds.

[Kalila Holt]

Okay.

[Rosebud Baker]

But when it happens, it is. It's a three second spell. That feels like it's three minutes long. You know what I mean? You're like so scared. But I've gotten to the point now where it's like, if she isn't about to pass out, I'm like, she's gonna be fine. Blair was on a trip and her mom fell. Actually.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I said, catalina. Yeah, Catalina. It was so traumatizing because she's already fell and hit her head, like, since my brother died one other time. And I was like, so bent out of shape. And she told me she was like, that's okay.

[Rosebud Baker]

Like, I was like, did she hit the front of her head?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

She was like, yeah. And I was like, okay, then she's gonna be fine.

[Kalila Holt]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

Because it's like if you. This is. This is Built to take impact. It's like if. If you hit the back of your head, then it fucks with. And it's like more scary.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I forgot about the nanners on your shell.

[Esther Povitsky]

I'm sorry that your mom fell.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Oh, thanks.

[Esther Povitsky]

There was a time when my mom is. And this is very unasian of her, but she choked on rice and is she white? I know Bobby would not let this go because we were still together. We were at. She came over to clean and she saw like day old rice and you know, of course she's gonna swipe. She started choking on rice, this lady, on Mother's Day. That's why I don't celebrate Mother's Day anymore. Because I'm still, like, scarred.

[Rosebud Baker]

Oh, my God.

[Esther Povitsky]

And I had to fucking Heimlich the rice out of her.

[Kalila Holt]

You did?

[Esther Povitsky]

I did. Hell yeah. I was sprung into action so fast. But my oldest sister, who is a nurse, froze and literally did this. She turned her entire body and looked away as if, like, this isn't happening. This isn't real. She like froze and couldn't spring into action, like, oh, my nurse. Because it's her, like, mom. A loved one. It's so different when it's a loved one. I think you just. It's hard. Hard to. To make a move. But yeah, it's. It's. It's scary when you have to rescue a parent.

[Kalila Holt]

Oh, God.

[Rosebud Baker]

If it's your job. I could see myself freezing like a. You know, because you're used to just standing like so. Yeah, yeah. If I had to do stand up. No, one of my. This is insane. But one of my fantasies is like, working for the FBI.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

She talks about this all the time.

[Kalila Holt]

For me, it's the CIA.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

We were. We were watching something and she goes, oh, I could be that lady, that cop lady. I'm like, I'm twice your size and I couldn't take a six. Two.

[Rosebud Baker]

Dude, what do you do?

[Kalila Holt]

You could.

[Rosebud Baker]

I could do it. I promise you I could do it.

[Kalila Holt]

Wait, I do have to tell you something that I'm doing tonight. That's not. I'm. I just have to get it off my chest. I'm having dinner with one of your exes and his new girlfriend.

[Rosebud Baker]

Well, you're saying this on the podcast.

[Esther Povitsky]

Is it an ex or someone I just briefly dated?

[Kalila Holt]

You know who it.

[Esther Povitsky]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Is it Bobby?

[Kalila Holt]

No, no, no.

[Rosebud Baker]

Oh.

[Kalila Holt]

O. I know that you guys were never gonna. It wasn't serious. But I also know that you have, like, love for him.

[Esther Povitsky]

I do. I have plenty of Love for him. I honestly, I genuinely think.

[Rosebud Baker]

Dying to know who this is.

[Kalila Holt]

It's not someone you know, but he.

[Esther Povitsky]

Is, like, super cool and super. Just talented and deserves the hottest woman. I was just in a place in my life where, like, I had just gotten out of a relationship and we went out on a couple dates and I was like, oh, like, he has, like, husband potential.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

I do think he liked the music.

[Kalila Holt]

Me, I like, ship you guys. Low key.

[Rosebud Baker]

Like, it's so, so up.

[Kalila Holt]

I'm part of the problem. Bringing it up purposefully to, like, ship you guys. But is that okay?

[Esther Povitsky]

Like, are you mad that he's with someone new?

[Kalila Holt]

No.

[Esther Povitsky]

That.

[Kalila Holt]

That we're having dinner with them?

[Rosebud Baker]

No. Okay.

[Kalila Holt]

Okay. I know you wouldn't be, but I just wanted to, like.

[Rosebud Baker]

But I just wanted to see if you still kind of liked him so I could show you guys a little bit more.

[Producer Guy]

We had some trad wife trends that were popular on the Internet, and we thought you guys might want to weigh in and we'll see who's the ultimate trad wife at the end of this.

[Esther Povitsky]

But do you cook for your family?

[Kalila Holt]

I'm truly the definition of, like, cooks. One time, new personality.

[Esther Povitsky]

Lemon pepper chicken.

[Kalila Holt]

Yeah.

[Producer Guy]

Our first one up.

[Rosebud Baker]

I'm gonna lose this so bad as.

[Producer Guy]

You vape getting a butter churner.

[Esther Povitsky]

What do you mean? Like, do we want trim?

[Producer Guy]

Butter yourself.

[Esther Povitsky]

Oh, could I or would I.

[Producer Guy]

Would you be interested in this?

[Esther Povitsky]

Oh, yeah.

[Producer Guy]

Okay. Split room here.

[Kalila Holt]

I would. Because I feel like I've had to learn the hard way in life that doing, like, those kinds of tasks is good for your mental health.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

It's fulfilling.

[Kalila Holt]

Yeah. Like, I used to think, like, I don't want to have to do anything. And then you're like, no. Then you're depressed all the time and you're just scrolling.

[Esther Povitsky]

But then have you actually seen butter getting churned? And how butter is made is really simple. That's why it's like a yes for me. It's not a difficult task. It's just a task.

[Rosebud Baker]

I just don't have the counter space.

[Esther Povitsky]

That is true.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. I don't want things taking up counter space that I'm probably going to do maybe once a year.

[Producer Guy]

All right, next. Picking herbs in a dress.

[Rosebud Baker]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I'm going.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Kalila Holt]

Every woman wants to pick herbs in a dress.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yes.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

And a nice Italian linen. Yeah, absolutely.

[Rosebud Baker]

Preferably pregnant. Pregnant for just one day. Just one and only in the second trimester.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I can fully see my outfit for this.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Baking foods from scratch, is it?

[Kalila Holt]

Yes.

[Esther Povitsky]

Actually It's a no.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I want to, but I don't.

[Kalila Holt]

I actually feel like I have to go X because my grandma is the one that told me when I make pies that I should just get the pre made Pillsbury pie crust because it's easier and it just tastes just as good.

[Esther Povitsky]

That's what Roger tells me too.

[Kalila Holt]

Oh, really? Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

I think that semi homemade is. Is my energy.

[Kalila Holt]

Agree with semi.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Kalila Holt]

Let's make it achievable.

[Esther Povitsky]

We got shit to do.

[Kalila Holt]

I mean, I don't have anything to do, but I know what you mean. Dress like a Victorian milkmaid.

[Esther Povitsky]

Not as like an everyday obligation, but once in a while. Sure.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah. Same. I like to be a hot milkmaid.

[Rosebud Baker]

Maybe for sex.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah. Mine would be also outdoors.

[Kalila Holt]

I just. I like to wear pants.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I'll just cinch these.

[Rosebud Baker]

I feel like my tatties would look good. Yeah.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Let them out to breathe.

[Kalila Holt]

I can.

[Producer Guy]

Getting married young.

[Rosebud Baker]

Oh, big now.

[Esther Povitsky]

Big no.

[Kalila Holt]

Oh, I wish that I had.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Ew.

[Esther Povitsky]

Really?

[Kalila Holt]

Yeah. Yeah. But like, I think just because I. My mom had one baby at 21 and then the next at 29. And so like, I feel like I have that in my brain is like what you do is like you have one set of kids and then like eight to ten years later you have another. Because I waited so long, that's not on the table for me. And I. I feel like I would have liked to have done that.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Kalila Holt]

Like have it going two rounds.

[Esther Povitsky]

I also think because you never had an interest in drinking, partying, doing all that. So I could see you being married young. Like, you don't. You didn't really burn rubber in your 20s, right.

[Kalila Holt]

I was so selfish and focused on my career that I would. The truth is, like, I would have been impossible for me to be like a good wife.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

That's what I always think. If I got married young, like, I would have been like, yeah, get out of here.

[Kalila Holt]

But I do have that a lot in the back of my head that, like, oh, it's so cool to do motherhood in two rounds. And I wish that I could do that.

[Rosebud Baker]

That Right. Just a massive gap between.

[Kalila Holt]

If eight to ten years pass by, you're a whole new person. It's like a whole new life.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Producer Guy]

Having five plus kids.

[Kalila Holt]

Ooh.

[Esther Povitsky]

Wow. Sick.

[Rosebud Baker]

You guys are sick.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

If you started at 21 or would you like adopt a bunch or keep going?

[Esther Povitsky]

I would love to adopt.

[Kalila Holt]

I could see you adopting. Really? Can you guys expand on that?

[Esther Povitsky]

I mean, the idea that there are children out there who could never have the experience of my son, of having parents that love them, that say, I love you. Honestly keeps me up at night. And it's. I felt this way since I. I told my mom at 12. I was like, I want to adopt when I'm older. It's something that I've always wanted to do. My entire TikTok algorithm is of mom, foster moms, or moms coming in and, like, taking care of, like, NICU babies.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

And there's just something so, like, top tier, like, good and great about being adoptive parents, I think.

[Kalila Holt]

What about you?

[Rosebud Baker]

It's literally the same thing. Like, I think about kids out there that don't have, like, love in their life. And I. And I. That does really, like, haunt me.

[Esther Povitsky]

Or you think about your own kid. Right. Like, could if this kid. There's a kid exactly like mine who's just out there with no one.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. And I also feel like I didn't know that. I. I really, genuinely did not know if I would be a good mom. And now that I'm like, now I'm looking at it, I'm like, oh, I am good at this, and I really enjoy it. You know, same. If I'm good at it and I enjoy it and my daughter is like, you know, an only child. I just think about it, like, that.

[Kalila Holt]

I gave it no thought about being. I'm like, before I had the baby, like, what kind of mom. I just had no thoughts on it.

[Rosebud Baker]

I thought about it all the time. I thought about it all the time because. You think because of my. My own childhood. I thought about it because I was like. I started getting, like, these flashbacks of, like, the. What my childhood was that I. Things that I hadn't thought about in years. And how, like, if I didn't have an example of this, how would I. How would I be able to provide it for my kid? It's so funny. I thought I would, like, kind of ex. I thought I would understand my parents more. Like, I would. For it would be easier to forgive them. And it actually became so much harder after my kid was born to be like, how would you do that? You know? And there have been, like, I've had arguments with my parents where I was like, you know, I think I said to my mom at one point, like, I can't believe, like, no one was there for this, or no one was there for me for this, or, like, I was just allowed to, like, go off. And I fucking drank and was like, should have been in rehab and all, and nobody even contacted me. And I Was like, just out in New York, like, doing whatever. And she was like, well, Rosebud, you were always so independent. And, you know, my dad said the same thing. He was like, you were always so independent. We just assumed you'd be fine. And I'm like, no child is independent. Like, the fact that you say that you can have an independent spirit, but, like, to assume that your child is independent enough to just take care of themselves is crazy. Yeah. Yeah. And I had to, like, point that out to them. You know what I mean? It's crazy because I. My whole life, I was really proud of that. I was like, I'm so independent. I'm so into. I can handle myself. But what happened is I became, like, hyper independent to the point where I can't state that I have needs. I can't stay when I need something or when I need help. And that became a massive problem for me, you know? So, yeah, that's. I don't know if I even answered your question. I think I just sort of spiraled down a.

[Kalila Holt]

No, that's really interesting. I always, like, do this to Kalila, and I am gonna do it now to you, which is like, I always go on the defense of, like, her abusive family. In my mind, when I hear your parents say that, I'm like, I believe that they thought you were okay.

[Rosebud Baker]

I believe that.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

And there's such a generational divide between parenting in that generation and parenting now. It's, like, looks nothing alike.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. And this isn't something that I'm, like, resentful of them about. Like, I do. I agree. I think they genuinely thought that.

[Kalila Holt]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

I did feel the need to tell them, like, you were wrong about that, you know?

[Producer Guy]

All right, next up, submitting to your husband in.

[Kalila Holt]

Well, what does that mean?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, this is gonna be a shocker. I feel like, either way. Okay.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I don't know. I hate being told what to do. But then, like, I mean, I like being told what to depends.

[Rosebud Baker]

Like, dominate me, but respect my boundaries.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Kalila Holt]

I'm like, I will, but I'm not gonna admit it.

[Esther Povitsky]

Correct. I mean, that's.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I'm not smart enough to do that.

[Rosebud Baker]

Damn.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I can't be, like, fake it. Oh, totally.

[Kalila Holt]

Yeah.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah.

[Kalila Holt]

And also, Dave does not want that. Like, he wants an. An equal. He does not want. Whenever I'm like, whatever you think, he. He, like, gets so mad. It's, like, disgusting to him.

[Esther Povitsky]

I think my check mark more comes. It's like a. It's. It's fun once in a while because it is me cosplaying. Out of my usual 100. It's. I think it's more sexual. I've been thinking about it, like, I guess in this, like. Like, Dave Aloha would never want me to submit to him. He would probably find that, like, wrong.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I want them to drive. Like, I want to sit because I'm a passenger, princess. Yeah. I'm like, I'm exhausted from being an independent. You take care of some.

[Rosebud Baker]

Oh, damn. Does that. Does passenger seat.

[Producer Guy]

I think it's more in, like, the trad wife, like, barefoot in the kitchen sense of submitting to your husband, you know?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Oh, okay. Guy. No.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah. Then it's a no for me. I don't think I understand what real submission is.

[Kalila Holt]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Outside of the bedroom.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

But also, I could never be with.

[Rosebud Baker]

A guy who, like, doesn't speak up for himself at all.

[Esther Povitsky]

Well, no, like, insist that I, you know, the man is the domineering force and the. Really, that's.

[Kalila Holt]

Because honestly, that's bitch. If you're like. If you're a man, you're, like, demanding.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

You're a weak.

[Kalila Holt]

That like someone. It's like, that's really little bitch of you.

[Esther Povitsky]

I love this. There's this guy on Instagram. I think he's like. He has a German accent, which makes it even better, but he basically talks about, like, any guy who. Who's afraid of a woman being powerful is truly is. Is the guy who's going to insist that she submit because he's afraid. He's. He's in competition with some kind. He's.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah, like a true masculine man is proud of his successful or whatever his wife is doing. And it's like, nurturing in that way.

[Kalila Holt]

This might sound fucked up, but, like, if we truly are less than, then, like, you should be chill with us doing whatever we want.

[Esther Povitsky]

Why are you trolling us talking about it every single day?

[Kalila Holt]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

You're so obsessed.

[Kalila Holt]

If we're so less than, like, just chill.

[Esther Povitsky]

Leave us alone.

[Rosebud Baker]

I was with a guy who was, like, seriously abusive for why am I that way? Like, physically and.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

And verbally what Skiffus is about.

[Rosebud Baker]

And he was. I have never been with a man who wore more jewelry. I. I remember, like, looking back and being like, he was such a. Like, he had so many accessories and so many, like, bracelets and so many, like, fedoras and like, like, I was like, he had, like, hats everywhere.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

You walking down the street in a man fedora.

[Rosebud Baker]

So deeply embarrassing image for me.

[Kalila Holt]

That's a dark past.

[Rosebud Baker]

It's a really dark Past. I mean, I don't know what's worse, the fact that he hit me or the fact that he wore fedoras. I really. It's a toss.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

The rings too.

[Rosebud Baker]

The rings were so bad.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Male jewelry is really tough.

[Rosebud Baker]

You need to be sparing.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Only Eddie Pepitone is allowed to wear a fedora.

[Esther Povitsky]

I'm sorry about the fedora relationship.

[Rosebud Baker]

Oh, it's fine. I thought you were going to say.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I'm sorry he hit you and you.

[Rosebud Baker]

Said, oh, I'm sorry about the fedora relationship.

[Esther Povitsky]

I know the fedora is really, just really upsetting. It's upsetting.

[Kalila Holt]

What was going on with you?

[Rosebud Baker]

Not going to. I was not good.

[Kalila Holt]

Were you doing. She was.

[Rosebud Baker]

No, I was. I was still an actor and I met him in an acting class. Oh, God. He was just one of those.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I've never been more shocked that when I moved to L. A and was in an acting class because I was just a jock growing up and I was like, oh, my God, these people are so fucking weird.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

They're the most self serious people.

[Rosebud Baker]

It's really insane.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I was like, there's no way. They really, like, talk about themselves like this and like interact this way. They're like aliens, but they do.

[Kalila Holt]

Wait, I need to put you on the spot.

[Rosebud Baker]

Go for it.

[Kalila Holt]

Did you used to be on a reality show?

[Rosebud Baker]

I did a couple. I did that inside jokes on Amazon.

[Kalila Holt]

Not that.

[Rosebud Baker]

And then I did one in my 20s.

[Kalila Holt]

Yeah. Can we talk about that?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Kalila Holt]

What is that?

[Rosebud Baker]

It was like my gay best friend who was gay, obviously, but like, the idea behind the show was like, women and their gay best friends. Because this was back when, like, that was like an acceptable theme for an entire show. And he was like, not out and. Or he was. But like, they. They wanted our storyline to be like, he wasn't out. And so we. I had to like, push him to be out. You know what I mean?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Oh, my God.

[Rosebud Baker]

Which is like so crazy.

[Kalila Holt]

Where did it air?

[Rosebud Baker]

It was like Sundance. I think it was one of those shows that like, like had one season and just like died out. But it was. It was like a paycheck that I was desperately in need.

[Kalila Holt]

Did you like, like, was it fun or did you hate it?

[Rosebud Baker]

It was fun.

[Kalila Holt]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

I actually really liked it. I had a. I had a really good time doing it.

[Kalila Holt]

I like reality TV a lot.

[Rosebud Baker]

I love reality tv. I would do another show. I would love to do another reality show.

[Kalila Holt]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

I mean, that one was so unserious because it wasn't like a. It didn't have, like, evil production the way that. Which is why it failed. You know what I mean? Like, you do need an evil puppet master behind the camera. But this one wasn't that. It was kind of like. Like a little sweet story about, like, women and their gay best friends that didn't really have any.

[Esther Povitsky]

It would have done really well in Japan. Yeah. I don't understand why American reality TV has to be like the bad girls club all the time.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Because it's like porn. It's like you need more and more. More extreme. Extreme, Extreme stream to, like, keep our attention span.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

The ones I watch in different countries are so tame, and they're so, like, nothing happens, but you're equally as addicted to it. Like, no big, you know, confrontations. No one slapping anyone. And it's just.

[Rosebud Baker]

I know. It's like the British baking. Yeah. I need. I need something that's dark. I need a reality show. It's like, if I did another reality show, I would want it to be like. Like, dark.

[Kalila Holt]

What?

[Esther Povitsky]

Like.

[Kalila Holt]

What does that even mean?

[Rosebud Baker]

Like, they, like, you need to be in, like. Yeah, I need. I like the Valley. You know what I mean? I love the Valley is the darkest sh.

[Kalila Holt]

Why is that dark?

[Rosebud Baker]

It's so dark.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Like, alcoholism. Yeah. Jack, he got kicked off domestic abuse. He'll probably be let back on, though.

[Rosebud Baker]

Of course he will.

[Kalila Holt]

I've never seen, like, a minute of Bravo. I need to.

[Rosebud Baker]

Oh, my God, you're really missing out.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

It's like wrestling for women.

[Kalila Holt]

Women even. You like it?

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah, of course.

[Kalila Holt]

What do you watch?

[Esther Povitsky]

I watched all the early Housewives. Literally, like, all of them. I watched. I watched some of the Valley, but I know everyone from. From Sir. Like, that is my. Not even a guilty pleasure. It's a very. It's a real pleasure.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

There are some people on those shows that are truly, like. There are some of those people on there that have no soul in them left.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, it's. It gets dark. But I. I will say that Vanderpump Rules. Start with Vanderpump Rules, because that is like the Sopranos.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

Of all reality television shows.

[Esther Povitsky]

I don't think it's still pretty fun.

[Kalila Holt]

Like, I don't know, Guys, do you.

[Esther Povitsky]

Watch any Love Island?

[Kalila Holt]

No. I'd like to, though.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I love Love Island. It's like crack in the summer. Like, I have to get home from my programs. It starts at six. That's so fun. And no, every day is wild to have it every night.

[Rosebud Baker]

I know.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

It's awesome for, like, six weeks. You're like, oh, this is the only thing I care about. The whole Internet is coming together. I got pissed. If I have, like, an early show and I have to leave my program early.

[Kalila Holt]

I'm definitely gonna do that next time.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

You should. You'll enjoy.

[Rosebud Baker]

I need to. I need to be watching. I need to be watching the Valley every day. I wish they would do that. I wish they would have a watch every day.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Like watching a snuff film.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yes.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I've never seen one of those.

[Rosebud Baker]

Just like, Andy will come in and be like, wait, what's happening? And he doesn't give a.

[Kalila Holt]

And what's happening?

[Rosebud Baker]

Terrible things. People are getting divorced. People are screaming about the house. People are yelling. They're arguing over their kids. It's like they're all on. It is. It's the realest reality show I've ever seen.

[Kalila Holt]

The Valley. Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

Where it's like, oh, they are not trying to clean this up in any way.

[Kalila Holt]

That one sounds better to me because it's like, people with kids. Whereas Vanderpump Rules sounds like people that. I'm not in the same life stage.

[Esther Povitsky]

But they're all from this. They're all from Vanderpump Rules.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I don't understand how she does this. Like, I can't go back in time with a reality show.

[Kalila Holt]

It's really. I agree.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Like, I'm not. It's like. Like, so weird.

[Rosebud Baker]

Why?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Because you feel like time has moved by.

[Kalila Holt]

Yeah. It doesn't feel good.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah, no, it feels.

[Kalila Holt]

Feel really lame.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Like I'm watching a home movie or something.

[Rosebud Baker]

It's like watching a period piece.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I don't think it's worth it. And that's someone who started watching it from the beginning.

[Kalila Holt]

You.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

You jumped on in the last two years.

[Rosebud Baker]

Well, you missed out on watching all of them together at the same time. And it's fucking unreal.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I watched Breaking Bad in the Pandemic. Like, binged it. And I was like, this is not something that's meant to be binge. That's why your brain is so fucking twist.

[Rosebud Baker]

Actually, Breaking Bad is exactly meant to be binge.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

No, it's not. It was, like, too dark. I was like, this is supposed to be every Sunday night. You get one hour. Not hours and hours and hours of, like, the darkest.

[Rosebud Baker]

Oh, yeah, okay, so you're just supposed to microdose crack.

[Kalila Holt]

I get what you're saying. Because with task, like, I want to see it all right now. But the fact that I'm waiting once a week, there is something very beautiful about that.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, I agree.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

It would Change the experience.

[Producer Guy]

All right, we got a couple more here.

[Esther Povitsky]

Okay.

[Rosebud Baker]

Oh, I forgot about the game.

[Producer Guy]

It's all right. Homeschooling your kids?

[Rosebud Baker]

Ah, I don't know anymore.

[Esther Povitsky]

I'm crunchy. Give me the. I'll give me my kids to home school.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

No homeschool. Kids are so weird.

[Kalila Holt]

Sorry, sorry. Kristen, my friend is homeschooled. You're weird.

[Rosebud Baker]

But this is only because I'm so freaked out about sending my kid to school and I live in New York, so I shouldn't want them to learn.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

About critical race theory.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, guns. Guns.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Oh, yeah, that's it. That would. That would be the only reason.

[Rosebud Baker]

And also just the fact the problem.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

In this country is disgusting and they've.

[Rosebud Baker]

Completely defunded anything that would teach critical race theory. So I'm a little freaked out about that too. I don't know how it's. I don't think it's affected New York City schools, but if I. If I didn't live in New York, I would be open to homeschooling my kids. So I'm putting a check mark.

[Esther Povitsky]

I think I'd like to homeschool up to a certain grade. Same. I think I'm super anxious about just sending my kid off to school and then hoping nothing happens to me. The idea of homework is absolute bullshit. And I don't. I never. You don't agree?

[Kalila Holt]

What. What is this?

[Esther Povitsky]

There are certain ways, like, I feel as though are so antiquated, and one of them is homework. I. I think that when you get at home, you should. Your kid should either hang out with family or do anything outside of school.

[Kalila Holt]

But school, not school related homework doesn't take five hours.

[Esther Povitsky]

Oh, my God. The homework I had would take forever. Maybe, Maybe I went to school in the Philippines and maybe education there is a little bit more like rigorous. But I hated it. It took my entire. It took away all my time to just be a kid and play and do whatever it is that kids do. Like, I was just always working, working, and I hated it. I hated it.

[Rosebud Baker]

I think I also agree, but I was also a horrible student my whole life.

[Esther Povitsky]

No, really good.

[Rosebud Baker]

You were really good.

[Esther Povitsky]

Really good. Yeah, I was at the top of my class.

[Rosebud Baker]

Okay. So then I always thought that I just believed this because I was a bad student. But no, it sucks.

[Esther Povitsky]

It sucks for the good kids, it sucks for the bad kids. And especially with like, homework over the weekend. That's dog.

[Rosebud Baker]

I know. Kids should be kids.

[Kalila Holt]

Not, you know, I was not super strict, but I. I was definitely the person that like, I did not like missing a day of school because that so stressful. Oh, like, going back, what did I miss? Like, that gives me nightmares still. But I feel like my thing was like, I can do this without trying that hard and get like Bs. And if I get a C, I don't care. Like, I wasn't like, I need all A's, which I feel like you probably were.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah. Yeah. I think that's probably what it was. It was so super stressful for me.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

But like math, like, if I didn't have homework, I wouldn't be able to learn math auditorily.

[Rosebud Baker]

That's a really good point. I never would have learned math if I didn't have to do.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I barely know math.

[Rosebud Baker]

Math. I still.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah, you are right in that, like, you can't learn it in real time in the classroom. Yeah, oftentimes.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

But that's why I hate it so much. I'd always be like reading a novel in the back. I'm like, it's so boring.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Kalila Holt]

What I feel like I. I like about homework is gross. I feel like I had to be so specific with time management dance classes. This time I have to do homework here. And I, I feel like if it was just a free for all, I would have never given all that thought and like, attention to scheduling. But that's like. I think that I just like that.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

You know what was crazy being a college athlete is the men's team had practice like three to five every day and like study hall like once a week and lifting once a week. We had study hall three times a week. We had practice seven to 11 every day. We had like, we had so much more study stuff. And like, they were the ones that needed it. Like, they were the ones that didn't engage in school at all. They just knew that they can. Can't tell those guys, like, what to do or like how to study. In college.

[Kalila Holt]

I used to bully the college athletes at my school. I went to a big ten school and the athletes were treated like gods.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Kalila Holt]

And I would. One of them was in one of my classes and I remember he had like. We all had to like stand up and give these, these, these like little speeches. And he was like, yeah. And I was like, can you speak louder? I would be so mean to them because I was like, you guys are. You know why? Because I like, I wanted to be the star and I was jealous. Like, you guys are so special. You can't even talk. Like, I was so mean.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah. Like, because I went to ucla and the, the basketball team was basically all NBA. They were treated like the NBA.

[Kalila Holt]

Yeah.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

And like all like girls on my team would write their essays or like girls do their homework.

[Kalila Holt]

But you will not get special treatment from me. I am the star of this show.

[Rosebud Baker]

I never even knew a athlete.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I'm your first one.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. Yeah. I literally went to art schools my whole like from high school on.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Oh, that's so cool.

[Rosebud Baker]

I did half the day at like my regular public school and then I would go to like a special arts program.

[Kalila Holt]

For what?

[Rosebud Baker]

Art for theater and like acting.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

She was a whole theater kid.

[Kalila Holt]

You have such a weird backstory.

[Rosebud Baker]

I know.

[Kalila Holt]

That does not add up at all.

[Rosebud Baker]

No, it's really insane. When I look at my own. Like, I just finished writing a book and I'm literally, I'm just leaving out so much because none of it makes sense together. So I'm like, I just have to leave this out because it's too big of a detour. Like people are going to be like, what? It just feels like Forrest Gump or something.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I feel like that's all of us though. Like, especially us. We started comedy so late.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

You know, like I've had nine lives.

[Rosebud Baker]

I know. The fact that I still stuck with this is so insane to me.

[Producer Guy]

Final one, you guys.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Producer Guy]

Owning farm animals.

[Rosebud Baker]

Oh, yeah. That's an easy.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yes, absolutely. I want donkeys.

[Esther Povitsky]

Donkeys are my number one too.

[Rosebud Baker]

I want pigs.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Cuz they're so friendly and loving and.

[Esther Povitsky]

Cuddly and very emotional. Yes.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

They like at least two donkeys and.

[Esther Povitsky]

They play with toys.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah, they're really sweet. They're like little baby babies.

[Rosebud Baker]

I want a pig.

[Kalila Holt]

I want chickens.

[Rosebud Baker]

Chickens.

[Esther Povitsky]

Chickens for eggs.

[Rosebud Baker]

Literally. Just practical. Yeah.

[Kalila Holt]

This is a farm.

[Esther Povitsky]

Oh, you're one of those.

[Kalila Holt]

Okay. I can't. What, you're gonna let your pig and your donkey cuddle in bed with you?

[Esther Povitsky]

No, I cuddled my chicken and on my.

[Kalila Holt]

Yeah, I had a.

[Esther Povitsky]

A white leg horn. I got four chicken chicks. But only Kok survived. And Kok was like a dog. He would. He had free access to the home. My dad would watch TV petting Kok. And then on my sister's 11th birthday, my crazy aunt decided that the cook was too much in her little area of the house because we were like a multi generational home. And she did the worst thing ever and she cut off one of his legs. And it was one of my biggest heart heartbreaks ever. Like, I like feel like crying thinking about it. She was a wretched, wretched person.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Evil, wicked, shrew.

[Esther Povitsky]

Evil. Wicked. Wicked.

[Rosebud Baker]

You have the craziest story.

[Esther Povitsky]

Does it with cocoa?

[Kalila Holt]

With chicken?

[Esther Povitsky]

No.

[Rosebud Baker]

You have an uncle who murdered your other uncle.

[Kalila Holt]

Honestly.

[Rosebud Baker]

And you said that so casually.

[Kalila Holt]

You being in theater school is crazier.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah. I feel like that's weirder.

[Rosebud Baker]

I don't think it's that weird. If you look at me, I'm like, I'm a blonde wasp. Of course I went to fucking theater school. You know, you have an uncle who murdered your other uncle who you send money to and then. And then. And another relative who cut off the leg of your beloved. Beloved chicken for shitting, which I don't even understand. Like, was it just that she was mad or did she think that, like.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Shitting too much Rosebud?

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

But was it, like, was she trying to cut off his ability to get to her area of the house so.

[Esther Povitsky]

He could shut in one place?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

And. But what happened was his wound got infected and he died on my sister's birthday. And I. That is like, a core wound.

[Rosebud Baker]

I really don't mean to be.

[Esther Povitsky]

She passed away. She passed away probably out of her own evil deeds, really. Some cartel it is. She actually belonged in the car cartel. I feel like she would have thrived.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah. Cutting off.

[Esther Povitsky]

There was definitely a sociopathy to her.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

She didn't have a whole lot of, like, regret or remorse.

[Rosebud Baker]

Right.

[Esther Povitsky]

My God. There are just some people in your life, like, these are the adults.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Around a bunch of kids.

[Rosebud Baker]

Right.

[Esther Povitsky]

When I say, like, parenting is so hard.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

It's because I really am trying to do it. Right.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

And I think a lot of these are aunties or moms or whatever. I think they were just winging it and. And kind of didn't really give a shit a lot of times.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Well, that's how they were raised.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

So they only have the imprint of how they're raised.

[Kalila Holt]

I stand firm as an OP here to you. I do obviously support and think that, like, trying to be the best parent you can be is, like, obviously good. But I also think that no matter.

[Rosebud Baker]

What we do, they're going to hate us in a way. Like, it'll just be different.

[Esther Povitsky]

It's different like, that. You cannot anticipate. Anticipate what trauma we're going to inflict on our children. Yeah. But I think that my biggest thing is that at the very least, like.

[Kalila Holt]

You will not minimize the chicken leg.

[Esther Povitsky]

I won't cut off chicken legs. If they tell me they're hurting, I acknowledge that they're hurting.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah. We were talking about this yesterday. Like apologizing and saying sorry.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Saying like for parent. Like our parents generation, like, didn't apologize.

[Esther Povitsky]

Right.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

When two children. Because they're like, I'm the authority, you're the children.

[Rosebud Baker]

I do feel proud of myself. When Minho will. Something will happen. And Minho will go, mama, I'm scared.

[Kalila Holt]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

Like, I'm.

[Esther Povitsky]

Like.

[Rosebud Baker]

The fact that she knows is so important to me when she's scared or when she'll go, mom, I'm nervous. Like, if she's so sweet.

[Esther Povitsky]

Because I don't think I could ever utter those words to my mom. Because it was. I wasn't allowed to not be strong.

[Rosebud Baker]

It makes me so happy that she knows that she's nervous. That's so sweet because I didn't know. I still don't fucking know. Yeah. I won't notice it until like two days later. If I spend the time actually acknowledging or observing my actions and feelings. You know, I just.

[Kalila Holt]

Back to farm animals real quick.

[Esther Povitsky]

Chicken is a weird choice. I respect it, but not for the reasons you just for eggs, like, is.

[Kalila Holt]

Well, can I just say that there's a fantasy that I have that I know can never come true. But like, I think about it a lot. And my absolute dream would be. Be to have 40 clones of donut and like just come home to 40 little donuts all running up to you. Like, how beautiful does that sound?

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah. I think the problem with that is that I once listened to a episode of this American Life where this couple had a prized bull. And the bull was such like a community figure. Everyone loved this bull. Bull. The fair won all the awards. And they were like. When the bull passed, they were like, we have to clone this bull. They cloned this bull. The second coming of the bull was violent, hurt people and was not the original bull. So I would say you love the idea of 40 donuts, but what if they're not 40 donuts?

[Kalila Holt]

I know. You can't clone a soul. That's what bars Dr. Yeah. So I know that it's. It can't be. And obviously be priced out after the first like three clones.

[Rosebud Baker]

Three. The first three.

[Kalila Holt]

I don't know.

[Rosebud Baker]

I think you're doing well.

[Kalila Holt]

I don't know how much they are in Korea.

[Esther Povitsky]

I've looked into it.

[Kalila Holt]

Really? You've looked into it?

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah, I think Korea. I think it's about 80k damn per per clone.

[Rosebud Baker]

Have you ever thought about cloning yourself and if you would like the clone?

[Kalila Holt]

I would love my.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I would love my clone.

[Rosebud Baker]

What if you hated them?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

No.

[Rosebud Baker]

What do you mean? No know. I mean, I'm saying, what if Actual clone.

[Kalila Holt]

You're saying what?

[Rosebud Baker]

I'm saying, what if you hated them and you.

[Kalila Holt]

You made them?

[Rosebud Baker]

What if they. What if you can't clone a soul and you meet your clone and let's say your clone is, like, I don't know, a Disney adult or something?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Yeah, I'm not cloning myself.

[Kalila Holt]

What would you do?

[Rosebud Baker]

I'd be pissed.

[Esther Povitsky]

I'd be pissed, too.

[Rosebud Baker]

I'd be really mad if.

[Esther Povitsky]

If my clone showed up in, like, Christian girl Autumn, even though I love Christian girl Autumn. Girlies.

[Producer Guy]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

I would be so angry.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, I'd be really upset. I'd be really upset. And what if. Oh, what if your clone was, like, manipulative and was, like, trying to. Trying to, like, steal people out of your life? What if your clone had, like, a relationship with your significant other that they tried to.

[Esther Povitsky]

What if your clone stole Dave?

[Kalila Holt]

You guys, why are you going down this road? You'd still love her.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I agree.

[Kalila Holt]

You guys need to go onto your dark reality show.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I'm with Esther.

[Kalila Holt]

We're good over here with our clones.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

What if. And I said, but my clone wouldn't.

[Kalila Holt]

Yeah, we're good. Okay.

[Rosebud Baker]

All right.

[Kalila Holt]

Nasty.

[Producer Guy]

On that note, the ultimate trad wife of today with six points is kila.

[Rosebud Baker]

Wow.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Milk made K six points.

[Rosebud Baker]

And big, big old tatties.

[Esther Povitsky]

Push my TAs.

[Rosebud Baker]

There you go.

[Kalila Holt]

Oh, my gosh. Well, you. You guys, thank you for being here today. Our favorite people.

[Rosebud Baker]

Thanks for having us.

[Kalila Holt]

Our favorite best friends. That make no sense. Learned a lot. Are you guys on tour? What's going on?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I have a podcast coming out called Spaced Out.

[Kalila Holt]

Yeah, that's exciting.

[Esther Povitsky]

Congrats.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Thank you.

[Rosebud Baker]

Okay, I'll be in Tulsa, Oklahoma, November 7th and 8th, and then Rosemont, Illinois, and then Wilmington, North Carolina, and Salt Lake City and Philadelphia and Chicago. And there will be more dates that are on my website, rosebudbaker. Com.

[Kalila Holt]

We love you guys. Thank you so much for tuning in. And as always, we'll see you next week with a brand new episode.

[Esther Povitsky]

Bye.