Scamming Dads w/ Brent Morin & Ali Macofsky

Summary

Trash Tuesday: Episode Summary – "Scamming Dads w/ Brent Morin & Ali Macofsky"

Trash Tuesday, hosted by Esther Povitsky and Khalyla Kuhn, invites listeners into candid and often hilariously raw conversations about personal experiences, societal issues, and everything in between. In this episode, released on August 5, 2025, guests Brent Morin and Ali Makowski join the hosts to discuss a range of topics from adult baby kinks to the impacts of systemic institutions like ICE, all while sharing personal anecdotes and insightful reflections.

Adult Baby Kink and Diaper Use

The episode kicks off with an unexpected yet engaging conversation about adult baby kinks and diaper usage. Esther Povitsky shares a story about a woman whose boyfriend chose to live as a baby in Thailand:

“[02:43] Esther Povitsky: And he writes back, 'I'm so sorry. I actually moved to Thailand and I'm permanently a baby now.'”

This leads to a broader discussion about the adult baby community, their motivations, and societal perceptions:

“[03:13] Khalyla Kuhn: Once you try a diaper for your period, you won't want to switch.”

The hosts and guests delve into how such kinks are often misunderstood and stigmatized, shedding light on a subculture that seeks greater visibility and acceptance.

Childhood Scams and Sports Stories

Transitioning to lighter yet equally revealing topics, the conversation shifts to childhood experiences with scams and competitive sports. Ali Makowski reminisces about his father's small-scale scams aimed at gaining extra perks:

“[07:11] Ali Makowski: It's a Polish dad reveal.”

Brent Morin shares his tumultuous experiences in Little League, highlighting the intense competitiveness and the emotional toll it took:

“[09:01] Brent Morin: Yeah. I cried and I was a huge crier.”

These anecdotes paint a vivid picture of how parental influence and early sports experiences shape one's personality and coping mechanisms.

Mental Health, Validation, and Success

A significant portion of the episode delves into the interplay between mental health, the pursuit of external validation, and the realization of personal worth beyond achievements. Esther Povitsky opens up about her feelings of unworthiness despite professional successes:

“[23:05] Esther Povitsky: I did a whole season of soft soccer. The one season I did a sport. The whole time. I never scored one goal.”

Brent Morin discusses his struggles with depression and the misleading belief that achieving career goals would resolve his internal issues:

“[34:17] Esther Povitsky: I'm wondering if, like, either of you guys, any of you relate to... self-love or.”

This segment underscores the importance of internal validation and the challenges of maintaining mental health amidst external pressures.

Friendship and Trauma Narcissism

The dialogue further explores the concept of trauma narcissism, where individuals externalize blame due to unresolved internal issues. Khalyla Kuhn shares her perspective on how victim mentality can be a form of narcissism:

“[37:10] Khalyla Kuhn: But victim mentality, I recently learned from the wonderful Dr. Romany, is a kind of narcissism.”

Brent Morin elaborates on his experiences with friends exhibiting these traits, highlighting the emotional exhaustion it causes:

“[38:05] Khalyla Kuhn: And I did. Yeah, that's my responsibility.”

This discussion emphasizes the complexities of maintaining healthy relationships when dealing with personal traumas and mental health challenges.

ICE and Community Impact

A critical part of the episode addresses the impact of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) on communities. Khalyla and Esther express strong disapproval of ICE's actions and their disruptive effects:

“[45:02] Brent Morin: What really sucks about that is my...”

“[46:52] Khalyla Kuhn: If I were to ever see one, because it, you know, I'm from Pasadena, Altadena, and that's like a largely brown community.”

The hosts and guests highlight how ICE operations instill fear and disrupt community cohesion, portraying them as overreaching forces that target innocent individuals rather than focusing on actual criminals.

Food and Nostalgia

Shifting to a more light-hearted topic, the conversation meanders into favorite foods and the nostalgia they evoke. Khalyla Kuhn shares her fondness for Ikea meatballs:

“[50:09] Khalyla Kuhn: I went to Ikea just to have me this. Not the 8, not the 12, but the 16. Meatball."

Brent Morin reminisces about affordable pizzas during his childhood and the emotional connections tied to specific foods:

“[54:14] Khalyla Kuhn: Yeah.”

This segment beautifully illustrates how certain foods serve as nostalgic anchors, bringing comfort and fond memories.

Personal Confessions on Waxing and Body Image

The hosts engage in a candid discussion about body image, waxing, and societal beauty standards. Esther Povitsky openly discusses the challenges and pain associated with Brazilian bikini waxing:

“[72:09] Esther Povitsky: Like, you have to work up weeks worth of courage to even just make the appointment because you know it's going to be so, so, so bad.”

Brent Morin humorously recounts his experience of shaving his chest in high school and the insecurities it brought:

“[74:57] Khalyla Kuhn: The smell of Nair is very nostalgic for me.”

This honest exchange highlights the societal pressures to conform to certain beauty standards and the personal struggles that accompany them.

Careers and Personal Projects

Towards the end of the episode, the guests share their current projects and future aspirations. Brent Morin discusses his one-man play, "Be Mighty," which explores his relationship with his brother:

“[77:42] Brent Morin: I'm working on a one-man show about me and my brother.”

Khalyla promotes her hair care brand, Evocean Club, while Esther talks about her upcoming tour:

“[78:03] Brent Morin: I'm writing the music to it and the hope is that I can bring it to Broadway at some point.”

These segments showcase the hosts' and guests' dedication to their crafts and their continuous efforts towards personal and professional growth.

Conclusion

The episode of Trash Tuesday titled "Scamming Dads w/ Brent Morin & Ali Makowski" offers a rich and multifaceted conversation that blends humor, personal anecdotes, and critical discussions on societal issues. From exploring niche kinks and childhood scams to delving deep into mental health struggles and the impacts of ICE, the hosts and guests provide listeners with a comprehensive and engaging experience. Through their authentic and unfiltered dialogue, Esther Povitsky and Khalyla Kuhn, alongside Brent Morin and Ali Makowski, create a space where listeners can both laugh and reflect on the complexities of life.

Notable Quotes:

• Esther Povitsky ([02:43]): “I feel like this is a real culture that doesn't get a lot of attention.”
• Khalyla Kuhn ([37:10]): “But victim mentality... is a kind of narcissism.”
• Brent Morin ([34:17]): “Now, I have a billboard that says I'm Brent Morin. I think I'm doing this shit wrong.”
• Esther Povitsky ([72:09]): “Like, you have to work up weeks worth of courage to even just make the appointment because you know it's going to be so, so, so bad.”
• Brent Morin ([77:42]): “I'm working on a one-man show about me and my brother.”

These quotes encapsulate the episode's blend of humor, vulnerability, and insightful commentary, making it a memorable installment of Trash Tuesday.

Transcript

[Ali Makowski]

I want to bite your nipples.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Honestly.

[Esther Povitsky]

So horrible.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

I know. She's very nipple sensitive. This nipple talk cannot happen in her. You don't have any nipple sensitivity?

[Ali Makowski]

No, not really. But one time I hooked up with a guy who I think had like a weird, like baby type of kink thing because he was. He was sucking on my nipples in a way where I'm like, like, good latch.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah, I'm really interested in that.

[Ali Makowski]

He was like one step away from saying Goo Goo Gaga. It was really strong. And now he has a baby and I'm like, I'm like, are you also feeding?

[Esther Povitsky]

Shout out to our golden slug, Brandon. Guys, we have a Patreon and the truth is we just recorded a long and deep episode for our patrons only. And it was the four of us and it was really intense. And if you want to listen to that, that will be the bonus episode this week. Check it out. Check us [e-mail] Trash Tuesday podcast or the link below. And we new bonus episodes every week.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

It's a little extra juicy. It's a little bit more of our unmasked version of ourselves and I think it's our best work. So go check it out.

[Esther Povitsky]

I am on tour. I'm so excited that I will officially be going on tour this fall. Starting in September, I'm going to be in Madison, Portland, Seattle, Denver, Philly, Boston, New York, Olympia, all these great cities. I can't wait to share all my new material with you guys. It's been so fun to work on it. Get tickets at Pretty Little Baby tour.com and you can get tickets now before they sell out the link below. Thank you. I'm excited. I'll see you guys there.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

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[Esther Povitsky]

Wait. I'm really interested in adults that want to be babies and I'm not. I'm interested for a friend. I was once talking to this woman and she was Older. And she's like, I met a guy, he's my age, and he. You guys know the story. Keep going. Okay. She's like, he's really great. Like, I feel like we're finally connecting. Like, he was the founder of, like, this huge company. He's like, really rich old guy.

[Ali Makowski]

Yum.

[Esther Povitsky]

And she, like. Then he, like, fell off and she, like, didn't know what happened. Like, did he die or whatever. And then she reaches out to him, she sends him an email and he writes back. He's like, so sorry. I, like, fell out of touch. I actually moved to Thailand and I'm. I'm permanently a baby now.

[Ali Makowski]

Oh, my God. So he's become a baby.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah. I feel like this is a real culture that doesn't get a lot of, like, attention.

[Ali Makowski]

Well, there's those people that, like, wear diapers. Well.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Well, those people.

[Esther Povitsky]

Once you try a diaper for your period, you won't want to switch.

[Ali Makowski]

I'm wearing. I'm wearing period underwear right now.

[Esther Povitsky]

Okay.

[Ali Makowski]

Which feels like a diaper.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

To be fair, when times were tough, when we first immigrated from the Philippines, I would, you know, Pampers would sell those. Like, not sell. They would send you in nail, like, one free diaper to test out. And I would just cut the straps and wear it to high school. Well, yeah, I was wearing diapers for my period night.

[Ali Makowski]

Everyone was like, damn, Klara's got a huge ass. Yeah, Huge, huge bone.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Yeah, just one giant bone.

[Esther Povitsky]

We. I kind of. So what, what else? Did that guy that you hooked up with, did you hook up with him more than once?

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah, but, like, not many times because I got kind of uncomfortable. He also had, like, kind of loose sk.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Oh, maybe that's Aylor Danlos.

[Ali Makowski]

Maybe. Yeah, maybe because his skin was, like, so flappy that it did feel like holding a baby. Like, it was so soft and just like squishy that I was like. And him being like, you know, like, it was just really.

[Esther Povitsky]

Maybe he had lost a lot of weight. Is that what causes that?

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah, he could have, but it wasn't like flappy skin. Like, it wasn't like, weight. It was just like he had really elastic skin.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

That's like a connective tissue thing. It is, yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

But it's like, when you get older.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

It gets that too. But if he's a young guy, I'm guessing she's not a 90 year old.

[Ali Makowski]

No. Although I don't try it.

[Esther Povitsky]

Last time she was here, she said she wants to hook up with a 60 year old.

[Ali Makowski]

Oh, I did Mention that. Yeah. I would like to. I would like to experience.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

But the 60 year olds these days, they're all on HGH. They're looking. They do.

[Ali Makowski]

But. But, yeah, I guess that would be. Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Ali Makowski]

That would be the kind. Like, I don't want to hook up with, like, a. Like an old. Like, they would have to be somewhat together.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Come on in.

[Ali Makowski]

Welcome. Hi, Br. Wel.

[Esther Povitsky]

Hi. Brent. The boy is here.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

You don't have to be breathing so hard. We're fine.

[Brent Morin]

Oh, God. Heartburn.

[Esther Povitsky]

Wait. You always have heartburn.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah, I don't eat well.

[Esther Povitsky]

What. What did you have this time?

[Brent Morin]

Chicken quesadilla.

[Ali Makowski]

Oh, yeah? From where?

[Brent Morin]

Cactus today.

[Ali Makowski]

Cactus?

[Brent Morin]

Yeah, it was.

[Esther Povitsky]

Last time.

[Brent Morin]

It was left over. It's chicken. It's, you know, cheese, It's a little tortilla, whatever. You know what? Please.

[Esther Povitsky]

No.

[Ali Makowski]

That's.

[Esther Povitsky]

A chicken quesadilla. Is a good breakfast.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

I think so. You got your protein.

[Ali Makowski]

I've been doing a lot of Chipotle quesadillas. That's my new thing.

[Esther Povitsky]

That's so naughty.

[Ali Makowski]

They're yummy. They're so good. And then you get three sides. Get a lot of guac. Last time I was there, she kind of, like. She gave me a small scoop. She's like, guac is extra. I go, I know. And then she gave me a small scoop, and I go, give me a little more. I did tell her to turn back around. I said, let's go back to the guac station. Can I have a little more?

[Brent Morin]

You know what? They don't have stock in Chipotle. I'd be giving free things away constantly.

[Esther Povitsky]

I know. I remember once when I was little, we were at Dairy Queen, and my dad, like, didn't like the size of the cone that they gave him. Like, there wasn't enough ice cream on it. And the guy's like, that's the size you got. And my dad was like, what are you, a company man? And it was, like, so embarrassing. I was like, in middle school, I was like, I can't do this. My dad.

[Ali Makowski]

So much. My dad was such a scammer growing up. Like, he would try and get anything extra so, like, we'd be going to the movies. I was like, 15. He's like, she's 12.

[Esther Povitsky]

Oh, yeah. Peek. But my mom is a child. Me and my mom has children. And we would. Then once we got in the theater, it was like, you're gonna be there a long time. We're seeing two movies. At least maybe three one time also. Did you guys ever like, the refillable popcorn tubs. One time my dad dropped me off at the movie theaters. He had the tub from, like the night before. He goes, take this. Don't come back to the car until you have this refilled. And, like, made me go in, like at 11 in the morning and like, be like, oh, I just saw a movie. Can I have my. It was so embarrassing.

[Ali Makowski]

Our dads would get along.

[Esther Povitsky]

But you're not even Jewish.

[Ali Makowski]

I thought that. Yeah, my dad's Jewish.

[Esther Povitsky]

What?

[Ali Makowski]

Yes.

[Esther Povitsky]

Jewish dad reveal.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah, he's surprised. Yeah, it's Polish.

[Brent Morin]

Polish.

[Ali Makowski]

It's not Mikowsky. It's Makowski.

[Esther Povitsky]

I guess I was reading it as Mick. Yeah.

[Brent Morin]

Because I felt you were Makowski.

[Esther Povitsky]

I fully pegged you.

[Brent Morin]

Irish.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah. Well, my mom's side is Irish, and then my dad's side is like, Polish, Eastern European. Whoa. Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

You're Irish, right?

[Brent Morin]

Yeah, Irish, French, Italian.

[Esther Povitsky]

And did you have parents that scammed?

[Brent Morin]

I mean, not really scammed. My dad wouldn't scam. He was a man of the people. But my mom would definitely. At a casino. I'm revealing too much. I think my mom would scam my dad at the casino. She would take money out because she lost and say, don't tell your dad. Now my dad is unaware. It's like, so did you win, Lynn? She lost. And it's like, well, at least it was only 100 bucks. I was like, mom took out like a grand. My mom would just smack me. Like, let it don't.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

I love, like, scams that involve more than one person. Like in the Philippines, a bunch of like 25, 30 old men won, like the Little League championships. World champs. In, like, base. In.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

In not. What do you call it?

[Brent Morin]

The Little League World Series?

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Yeah, Little League World Series.

[Brent Morin]

I watch it every year.

[Ali Makowski]

Wait, I actually do.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

I feel like this is right up your alley. So basically, Little League is like what, like, 12, 11, 12. You had some grown ass, just shorter looking, kind of young looking. Filipino men.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Come together and they're like, we're gonna beat a bunch of kids. And they won the whole thing.

[Esther Povitsky]

I want to do that for a dance competition.

[Brent Morin]

You do?

[Khalyla Kuhn]

I think that we should try.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah, I. I want to do that. But I guess I probably would lose regardless because they'd be better than me. But I want to try it.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah. There was a kid in the Little League World Series. I'm not kidding. I watch it a lot. And to gamble. No, I.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Because I like fully shaving their mustaches and beards.

[Brent Morin]

They had the kid from the Bronx, I remember. And he, like got famous, got on Letterman. And everybody's like, this kid is so good. He's going to be a star. I think he was like 19. Like, he was like way up there. They were like, oh, we don't really know his age, but. But he was throwing so fast. And you would think, like, this guy's going to be a pro one day.

[Ali Makowski]

Those poor little kids who are just getting an adult sized pitch.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah, I mean, I watched a little league World Series because I wanted to be in it so bad. And every year I'd be on the little league all star team. And we got down to. Because you represent your state. So we got to like the final game and lost. And I was crushed because I was like, oh, we were gonna go to Cooperstown. We should have gotten some 18 year olds.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

How did you deal with loss like that kind of losing when you were young, Were you like, graceful or were you a big crier?

[Brent Morin]

I cried and I was a huge.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Like, not a good sport.

[Brent Morin]

I'm not either. I wasn't. I'm better now because what's the point? But like, when I was a kid, I'd be like, you don't understand what they did. We don't.

[Ali Makowski]

You ref.

[Brent Morin]

And then it's just like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Esther Povitsky]

No.

[Brent Morin]

The umpire cheated on, like, I would lose and then my mom would scree the rage out of me. That's what she would do. She would, I'm going to squeeze the rage out of you. And then that shit actually worked. But I was, yeah, I was kicked out of multiple games. I don't take losing well. I've gotten better. Sometimes I wish I was more competitive still because I was always hyper competitive. And now I'm just like, calmer. I'm like, just let it go, Brent. But yeah, I was notorious for throwing my glove in the stands. Like, that was a big thing when I was in high school. If the p take me out from pitching, I'd be like, I'm not. I'm not coming out. I'm not coming out. And it's like, you're coming out so much. Throw my glove into the stands. And my mom would try to catch it. Some kids would run with it and.

[Ali Makowski]

Then start squeezing the glove. She's like, we're gonna get the.

[Brent Morin]

Oh, I definitely, I've definitely been the guy who's taken a bat to a water cooler. I've done that before.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Oh, that's very like John McEnroe of you.

[Brent Morin]

What have you done that I'm just.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Thinking about, like, Kenny Powers. Oh, yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Oh, my God.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Wait, like, we can't forget that we celebrated John McEnroe for being, like, the most true. Abusive to, like, water bottles and, like, inanimate objects on the tennis court. Right. For years.

[Ali Makowski]

We love it.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

We love a big crash out.

[Esther Povitsky]

I think just making me, though, feel relieved that I was, like, born a known loser. So I never had the expectations or the desires to win.

[Brent Morin]

You didn't have the delusion. I had that I thought I was gonna be a star.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

I. I could get, like, I had what you had.

[Esther Povitsky]

I did a whole season of soft soccer. The one season I did a sport. The whole time. I never scored one goal. My parents still make fun of me the way that I just stood there.

[Ali Makowski]

Maybe.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

What was your position? You can't score a goal if you're a defender.

[Esther Povitsky]

I don't even know.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

But you're so tiny. You couldn't be a defender just in.

[Esther Povitsky]

This field like this the whole time. And everyone in soccer made fun of me because on our first day, I raised my hand and was like, when do we get our costumes? People were like, oh, well, the uniforms will come. I don't know. Do you have any, like, childhood, like, unrequited dreams or, like, forgotten?

[Ali Makowski]

Well, this goes back to, like, my dad being kind of a scammer and, like, chief is that we never. Me and my sisters never did. Well, at least I never did any sort of sports, but my dad would kind of sign me up for random classes just for the first one that was free. So I did, like, one day of taekwondo.

[Brent Morin]

I'm really liking your dad.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah, he rocks, Larry. Yeah. So I never was, like, a sports person. I would, like, go to friends sports games. Like, my friend played softball, so I'd always go to games with her. But I just loved, like, the snack bar.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah.

[Ali Makowski]

And, like, I love just like. Yeah. Loitering around with the other kids.

[Brent Morin]

Oh. If a pretty girl showed up to. A little. I remember, literally.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah.

[Brent Morin]

You're just feeling emotions for the first time. And then, oh, Becca Rocco showed up. She's just there, you know, it's a park. And I'm like. And I'm like, I'm going to pitch so hard. And then I remember I just hit the. I threw it way over the catcher. Somebody scored. And then I'm looking and I'm like, you know, then at school the next day, I'm like, cool game, right, Becca? And she's like, what now? My brother plays on the other team. I was Just there. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I was stupid to say that, but you'll watch guys do that in sports. If they see like the girl they like freaking.

[Esther Povitsky]

What if they see the girl they don't like, then what?

[Brent Morin]

Well, then that kid's cool. Because if you're at the point already where you have like beef with a girl, then you've obviously been around and you're just like, I don't. I don't mess with her anymore. Yeah, I remember those guys. I'm like, anymore?

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Another scam that you could also pull off outside of joining Little League. Remember that? That adult little girl who got a whole family to adopt her.

[Brent Morin]

Oh, yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

People always bring this up around me. It's so rude. It's so fud. What?

[Khalyla Kuhn]

And then they were like, wait, she seems they were trying to tell like the court. It's like, I think there's something wrong with her. We're suspecting she's actually like a 19 year old girl and not like a 4 year old girl.

[Ali Makowski]

Like, just sign her up for Little league. She'll do great. Yeah, I don't know.

[Brent Morin]

My daughter's smoking cigarettes and making a lot of complaints. It's like, I don't think she's four, but.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Do you have dreams of being a baby?

[Esther Povitsky]

Not really. I think that I have. When I'm like, before you got here.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

We were talking about a grown man fully living as a baby in Thailand now.

[Esther Povitsky]

Sounds pretty good, right? I just.

[Brent Morin]

So does that mean, I'm sorry, but just since I'm new to this conversation, does that mean like, you get to be like, at a crib and then, and then you get to be strolled.

[Esther Povitsky]

Around all the things you think is what it means.

[Brent Morin]

Bottle fed?

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah. In a crib. Yeah.

[Brent Morin]

Somebody else is doing this.

[Esther Povitsky]

Changing your diapers? Yeah.

[Brent Morin]

That's amazing. I would want to do that. Are you kidding?

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah. I think you're delusional by thinking that that's not something that literally every person would. Would be like, yes, I feel like.

[Ali Makowski]

A king, but I would still want breaks. Like, I would want to maybe be a baby on like the weekends or on weekdays, but I would need time to be like kind of a boss again. Just for a little bit. And then when I need a break, I'm like, can someone just hold me and like pet my hair and feed.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Me that part I'm into the being doted on is I'm 100 in. But the whole like me, you know, drinking maybe, I, you know, I don't.

[Ali Makowski]

Want to have to get into character Like, I don't want to have to.

[Esther Povitsky]

Be, like, I want to be able.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

To, like, use my real voice and like, form full sentence.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah. Is that the other thing? Can I. I'm a baby. I can't speak right.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

It's. Well, it's probably in baby. Can I get.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah, yeah. I get to say wawa.

[Esther Povitsky]

If you're bored, you just start crying and then everyone around you has to guess why you're crying.

[Ali Makowski]

Oh, I love that.

[Brent Morin]

That's true too.

[Esther Povitsky]

I love that part. Who doesn't want. I don't feel like, oh, I want to be a baby. What I. What happens with me is like, I'll get dreams where I'm back in, like, in my childhood bedroom and I'm like, organizing and playing with my toys like, exactly as they were. And like, that particularly comes up when I'm like, having a lot of anxiety or stress. And then I wake up and I'm like, so upset that that's not real.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

So that's your, like, your safe place?

[Esther Povitsky]

Yes. Playing with my toys in my bedroom is like, alone. Yes.

[Ali Makowski]

I never have sweet dreams like that.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah.

[Ali Makowski]

My dreams are always, like, so scary.

[Brent Morin]

When.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

When you're 80, what is a dream dream you'll come back to that will bring you joy and peace and think, okay, that was a. A life well lived.

[Brent Morin]

Playing catch with my dad. Oh, probably Little league. Yeah, that stuff's great. I think about that sometimes. It's just like, yeah, that was the best. Winning the game. And then all the kids get dominoes.

[Ali Makowski]

Now I get why you're watching these little league games.

[Brent Morin]

I know, it's nostalgic.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah.

[Brent Morin]

This team, sports. I really miss being on a team and like, traveling.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah.

[Brent Morin]

The freaking dugout. I mean, that's where I started being funn. I miss just being in a locker room. It was fun.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

That's so sweet.

[Esther Povitsky]

I miss. That's what I miss about dance class too, is like, just you working together and having like a community of people.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

I feel like stand up, you're just. Yes. We do get, like, the opportunity to be around our community more than like, other especially creative fields. But you're so on your own on that stage. Like, I know that is part of why I was drawn to it, but it's also like a bummer. I don't know. I. I was recently working with some girls. They're like really high level improvisers and they like, tour with, like, their improv team.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

And it just feels like they're like, partying. Not like drugs, but like having so much laughs and fun all the time.

[Ali Makowski]

I have a confession to make.

[Brent Morin]

What?

[Esther Povitsky]

You're an improviser.

[Ali Makowski]

I started taking improv.

[Brent Morin]

Nice.

[Esther Povitsky]

That's so cool.

[Ali Makowski]

Don't tell anyone. Where UCB at Groundlings.

[Brent Morin]

Nice.

[Esther Povitsky]

How is it? Because taking those classes as a stand up is. Can be hell on earth.

[Ali Makowski]

It's really. It's like mixed emot emotions or part of it is so embarrassing. It's so embarrassing because with stand up it's like you have so much control. You get to present yourself in a certain way. And in improv you have to just like be embarrassing and be not yourself. Which is why I wanted to take it just to like, you know, get out of that zone, get out of that shell.

[Brent Morin]

That's cool.

[Esther Povitsky]

Other people though, I feel like that makes it hard because they're always like young and lame.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah. So that is true. That is true. But it did inspire me to like, okay, once I get out of this beginner class, then I'll go to intermediate. Then I'll go to advanced. So it like you have to kind of suffer through that beginning phase. I don't know, it still is fun because you're just like, these people are so just happy and like unaware. And I'm like, I gotta be like cool and mysterious and it's like they just are like, I'm a weirdo. And I'm like, that's really nice. Yeah.

[Brent Morin]

And they have like a fun and.

[Ali Makowski]

It'S like, yeah, they're having fun. Meanwhile I'm like in the corner like.

[Brent Morin]

Well, you've been jaded already. Yeah, you know, they're new that. That new excitement getting together. I mean, God, don't you miss dreams? I mean dreams are great because they're dreams. So you can be sad and still go, well one day.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah.

[Brent Morin]

Like, I remember being in film school, me and my buddies would watch movies all day and night and just go like, we're gonna do that. You're gonna do that dude, like coen brother movie and just be like, man, wouldn't it be great to do that? And then you're able to live in the fantasy. And then stuff starts happening that's realistic and real and this happiness you thought you were going to get doesn't show up. And then all of a sudden it's like in stand up. I remember like, man, kill to go on the road, man, to get a paid gig, to be a feature, you know.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

But maybe that is the hack to. Because my mom is, you know, in her own way, there's a Language barrier there. But she always used to say, like, she's afraid of having so much that she stops dreaming.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

She's like, never want to have so much money that I. That I don't have dreams. I never want to be so, like, content that I stopped dreaming. To what you're saying. I'm like, that is so fun when you leave when you had, like, nothing, you were like, oh, that Coen brother movie. That's. I'm going to be him.

[Brent Morin]

Beautiful.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

The delusion is so fun.

[Brent Morin]

Delusional confidence. Just beautiful, hopeless romantic about something you just thought about as a kid. And, oh, my God, you did, too. And now you get to be with these people and have that fun. Like, one of my favorite things to do when I'm on the road, because all of a sudden then you get the headline, and then what happens is, you go, like, what were his numbers? What was his guarantee? Now all of a sudden I'm, like, getting cynical and I'm getting about finances, and I'm thinking, like, how much did so and so pull last week? You know? And it's like, oh, man. I remember the first time on the road, I go, this is cool.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

I get a free meal for all of you. What's one of your biggest dreams that has actually come to fruition? And how did you feel when you got there? There?

[Ali Makowski]

I did, like, I was like, I'm gonna write down my goals in, like, a vision board type of thing, manifest. And so this is like a couple years ago, maybe like, 20, 21 or something. And I was like, I want to go on the road, but I want to do it like a musician. Like, I wanna. I wanna get, like, a rental car, like an rv, and I want to go from, like, city to city and do these kind of, like, rock star shows. Because with comedy, it's like you're just gone for a weekend in one city, and then you're back and then you're gone another weekend. And I was like, I want to do it in a chunk, like, tour. And then later that year, I got a call to go on the road opening for a musician. So I, like, literally got to tour like a musician. I was in, like, a tour bus. I was on the road, like, rock star lifestyle. I felt like Justin Bieber. And so that was like, one where I was like, whoa. It, like, literally came true. And even better than.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Were you able to appreciate it at that time, like, in real time, you were like, it's happening.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah, it was crazy. I was like, oh, this is so much better. Than what I want. Wanted to do.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

I love this.

[Ali Makowski]

And then like a whole experience.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah, yeah, that's.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

That's because like, for, for me, I have to remember the original dream, constantly be reminded of the original dream for me to realize, oh, I'm living it.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

And it's so easy to just like you said, what are there. You know, there's always some like, upward.

[Brent Morin]

Comparison to do this press thing and it's. Yeah. You get to a place of like, just shut up, Brent. You get to do this.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brent Morin]

You gotta remind yourself.

[Esther Povitsky]

I feel like I clearly, like dropped out of college in like a very non healthy state of mind and was like, I'm gonna move to LA and like pursue my dreams in comedy. And I was just on this trajectory of like, I just need to achieve my goals and then all my problems will go away. And so I was like filled with all of these mental health issues that I was just shoving down and not caring about. Cause I was just on this path and then it's like the tale as old as time. Like, you achieve all your goals and your dreams.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Right.

[Esther Povitsky]

Like, I really wanted to stand a special. I did one. I really wanted to have my own TV show. I did it. I wanted to star in a sitcom with like cool famous girls. I did it. And it's like after that, it was the lowest point of my life because I was like, wait a second. I just did all these things and I'm not fixed, I'm not better, I'm not different. I'm still me. And it's like, it's like, oh, that's when like life actually really was able to begin for me because I had to like, do the work and realize like, like how messed up I was, you know?

[Brent Morin]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah. And I feel like that happens to a lot of creative people. Like, I don't know, you just. You think it's. Your dreams are going to solve you and they don't.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

They don't.

[Ali Makowski]

And I guess it's just like a good reminder of like those initial dreams, like before you start something where it's like, you know, enjoying the moment that you're in and remembering that. Because it's like now I look back at the open mic days when I was doing open mics, I was like, I just want to be out of the open mics and like doing shows. But I'm like, there was something so special about the community, like the little league vibe of the open mics, where it's like, which one are you gonna go? Like, let's all hang out after and there's no stakes at all. There's like no steaks, no pressure.

[Brent Morin]

Diner after. You're like dude, you ate it up there. What are you thinking? I don't know. I just got away from me, you know, just having all those experiences.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

The more successful you get, the, the more competitive you get with one another. It depends where your mental health is at. I mean I think there are people, you know, who've like done the work, who are content with, with whatever achievements come their way. And then you have like people who are like careerist mentality or it's like it's never enough and the, the bar always is gets higher and higher and you just never quite reach it.

[Brent Morin]

When you're up there, it's everything before being up there is great or no, horrible. And then once you're up there you're like oh, this is why I like this. But yeah, I had the same goals as you. I was like I'm gonna move to la. I'm to. I'm going to be on NBC. I was like I want to be on a sitcom star.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

I love these like broad kind of like I'm going to be on NBC. Like my broad dream was I want to live a life where I don't have to wake up at five in the morning for work. Cuz I like my lazy mornings. And that was like my broad thing where it's like whatever the I'm doing like early shift is not for me so I have to like move my life in. In accordance to that.

[Brent Morin]

My dad used to say a job you fall asleep to. A career you wake up for.

[Ali Makowski]

Say it one more time. It's not clicking. Hold on. Say it again.

[Brent Morin]

A job. A job you fall asleep to. A career you wake up for.

[Ali Makowski]

I still, it's really not. Everyone had a really big reaction and I'm still not one more job you fall asleep too.

[Esther Povitsky]

Like you're thinking about it at night.

[Brent Morin]

Maybe my job is just like oh.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Wait, yeah, I thought I, I don't.

[Ali Makowski]

I was thinking like you're falling asleep on the job. Like it's so boring. Like a job you fall asleep.

[Brent Morin]

No, no. A job you fall asleep to. A career you wake up for. And my dad, what he meant was you do a job like working at a restaurant or construct like all the jobs I did, you just want to go to bed. Yeah, but you. And you don't want to wake up for it. A career is like that. No alarm clock. Oh, I get to do it again. I take it home with me. It feels great. And he told me that as a kid. And he was like, look, all you ask of your kids is they go for what? And they work as hard as they possibly can to get it. And there's no more proud you should be, so go for what you want.

[Ali Makowski]

Wow. What a sweet dad he was.

[Brent Morin]

He's. He's amazing.

[Ali Makowski]

God, my dad's so lame.

[Brent Morin]

No, he isn't. I'm. I want to hang out with your dad.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah, that's the problem. It's like, my dad's the type of dad that you want to hang out with but not be erased by. You're like, oh, he's fun. Too fun. Too fun.

[Brent Morin]

Well, my dad is a walking monologue of stories. He was almost a priest, so he's always got. And then a teacher for 40 years. So he's the real, like, sit down. Let's have a conversation.

[Esther Povitsky]

You know, like, my mom always wanted to be a nun. And I'm like, oh, that's who raised me. A woman who wanted to be a nun.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Oh, that makes a lot of sense.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah. It's like, doesn't fit me. It's not right.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

You know, the convent seems like a pretty chill place to be.

[Ali Makowski]

I wonder if I could do like a year, Like a little.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

I think you absolutely could program.

[Ali Makowski]

That would be fun.

[Brent Morin]

You could scam your way in in.

[Ali Makowski]

I could.

[Brent Morin]

Because you could just be like, I really want this. Can I stay? And then you can go. It's not for me. I haven't found God. And then you can leave. And you did it.

[Ali Makowski]

Go to Italy for a year.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

I know that backdrop.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah. And after watching what's the movie with all the priests, I thought you were.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Gonna say the Nunclave.

[Ali Makowski]

The Conclave. Everyone's vaping. I'm like, I can do that. Yeah.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Lots of sins going on there.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

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[Esther Povitsky]

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[Brent Morin]

Oh, I had a real breakdown after that. I never wanted to be a standup, so I just. My professor in film school just told me, you're not good looking enough to be a headshot on a desk. And you, you're not. You're not a good enough writer to have a script on a desk. But when you pitch, people listen. I think if you try stand up, you get all the things you want.

[Ali Makowski]

Wow.

[Brent Morin]

And so the next day, after crying, I went the Laugh Factory. And then my first open mic.

[Ali Makowski]

My first open mic was the Laugh Factory.

[Brent Morin]

It was the only thing I knew to go to.

[Ali Makowski]

Me too.

[Brent Morin]

And Tony Hinchcliffe was in line with me. That's when I met him. And it was the two of us for three hours, waiting for three minutes. And I'd. But I was like, I can't go out like that. I got to do it again. And then it got to the place where I did jfl. And then all of a sudden, I'm with Bill Lawrence. And then I. He asked me to star in an NBC sitcom. Because growing up, Must See TV Thursday was what we did as a family. It was Friends and Seinfeld, Frazier. And then I was like, w actually doing this. And then I remember Jamie Masada told me that I should quit stand up. Like, my first year, he goes, bhatti, it's not for you.

[Esther Povitsky]

What?

[Brent Morin]

Yeah. He said, this is not for you.

[Esther Povitsky]

That's the owner of the Laugh Factory.

[Brent Morin]

Cut to seven years later. I have undateable billboards and my name on the marquee at the Laugh Factory. And I'll never forget it, because I'm going to walk from the Factory to the Comedy Store, because I had a spot there, too. And he goes, but you're like the next Richard Fry. You like George Carlin. And I was like, you told me never to do this.

[Ali Makowski]

And I told him that the first person to get me into the Comedy Store.

[Brent Morin]

That's right.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah. Underage.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah.

[Ali Makowski]

Wasn't trying to smash or anything nefarious.

[Brent Morin]

No.

[Ali Makowski]

Just helped me out.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah. Your sister was an intern, I think.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah.

[Brent Morin]

At Conan. And she asked me, I said, yeah, sure, she wants to be a comic. Just. I said, don't buy a drink, but here, sit. And then now you surpass me. So that's great.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

What did it feel like when you finally did see those billboards?

[Brent Morin]

Well, that was the thing. I'll never forget the walk, because it was. It was just a really ridiculous time. I was walking from the Laugh Factory, and I see my name, and then I'm walking down, and I see an undateable billboard. I keep walking down, I see another undateable billboard with my face on it. Then I see the Comedy Store has my name on it. And then security goes, did you see. And I go, yeah, that's crazy. They go, no, did you see down there? They put up your Netflix billboard? And so then I walked down. Oh, my God, My Netflix billboard. It says, I'm Brent, and it was a crazy time. And I went to take a picture of it, and I didn't get that feeling of that I thought I'd get. I just kind of felt like I felt like an imposter. I felt like this is maybe. Oh, fuck. I'm still sad, like, for a second. And then these club girls bumped into me when I was taking a photo of I'm Brett Moore and Billboard, and they go, watch it. And I went, sorry. And they go, fucking weirdo. Right? And I was. I just started laug because I was like, okay, you're still. You just be you. All right, this is a good thing. But then you start thinking, like, man, I haven't called my friend in three years because I've just been doing 50 shows a month and working this. Like, you realize I really. I don't have a relationship. I'm not talking to my cousin. I haven't called my parents. I'm like, I really just. I figured, oh, if I get all these things and that I can. To build confidence off my career, it will validate me, and then that validation will give me the confidence I never had. And then I realized in that moment, no, you just selfishly went for something and you never took time to look at you. So I kind of. After that, like, recent, more recently, I really. Because after that, I ended up doing a sitcom with Dennis Quaid. And so now I'm working with a movie star and they're giving me free reign, and I'm staying at his house, and I'm, like, walking around and talking, seeing all the movies. I saw my dad. And then I'm just sitting, talking to him and I'm going, like, very sad. Like, this is like, you know, and at that time, I had a drug problem. Because, of course, why not be a cliche? So I was just. I was miserable with a smile. And then I realized. And I got the love of my life. Life. Like, right after that, I wanted a. My dream girl was Akira Knightley meets Natalie Portman. And she did look just like that. So I was getting all these things and not appreciating. It's back to, like, the appreciation thing. I need to figure out what. What's going to make me happy. And I realized, like, oh, happiness shifts and changes every five years. One year, two years, three years. Like, it depends on where you are on your journey in life. Life. And you gotta let yourself enjoy, but you also have to let yourself forgive yourself, like, with stuff you've done. Okay. I had one foot in the past and one foot in the future. You gotta live in the present, be present.

[Esther Povitsky]

I'm wondering if, like, either of you guys, any of you relate to. Like, for me, I think a lot of it comes down to I didn't feel worthy of love unless I had, like, these external validations. So it was like, I couldn't even, like, face friends or family, like, until I felt like I was deserving of it. And that meant, like, a, you know, certain level of success in my career. So it's like the thing you said of, like, not talking to people, for me, that was a part of. It was like, all from this insecurity. It's like, oh, why would you. Why would they even want to talk to me if I'm not, like, on a show or, like. Yeah. And I. That's something that I still struggle with. Like, it's just. It's what? Yeah, like, self love or.

[Brent Morin]

I thought I was like, I could never be in a real relationship until I'm a TV star.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Brent Morin]

Like, I really felt like. Because I used to say I deserve to die alone. Like, I'm not kidding. I had. I found out later that I had just, you know, it's a family business, clinical depression. You know, I didn't know. My dad was in suicide rehab. My mom was pregnant with me. My little brother took his life. Like, I mean, there's just. It's also a genius genetic coding.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Definitely genetic. And your dad has had, like, a good amount of time under his belt, right?

[Brent Morin]

Yeah. And he. And I learned it from him. Like, he always taught for mistakes, not rewards. He says, you really gotta come to terms with you. It's all your fault. Everything is your fault. Like, just know that even if it's not your fault, why'd you put yourself in that situation? Why'd you do this? You can only grow if you do that.

[Esther Povitsky]

Like, take responsibility.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah. And it's so easy to go, well, I'm like this because of this. And it's like, okay, you know, you're like that because of that. That. So now it's your turn to fix that.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

But, you know, an ex used this against me once, and I really believed it. And I feel like this is what he used to say. The sentence he used to say was, no one did nothing to no one. Anytime I would feel really devastated or hurt by something he did. Yeah, he ended up cheating and he ended up like. Like, punching me, like, square in the face. But his thing was always, no one did nothing to no one. Like, take responsibility for, like. Like your side of things. I'm like, bro, you just beat the. Out of me. Like, where's my responsibility there? And literally, like, I do believe that, but there are just some evil forces out there. Yeah, that.

[Ali Makowski]

But then I guess to that extent, it's like, okay, now, like, my responsibility is getting out of this.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

And I did. Yeah, that's my responsibility.

[Brent Morin]

But, God, that really pisses me off. But, yeah, like, I've had friends who aren't with us anymore. More that I would try to help, you know, whether it was booze or drugs or something. And this. They had the same theme. They were always the victim and it was never their fault. Like, and if you do that, you can't, you know, clean yourself up.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

But I, you know, victim mentality, I recently learned from the wonderful Dr. Romany, is a kind of narcissism.

[Brent Morin]

Yes, it is.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Yeah.

[Brent Morin]

Trauma, narcissism.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Right, right. So to always make it about them and to blame the external world for all of their is. Is probably for me, the worst kind of narcissism.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah. And it's. It's exhausting because I have a friend who I recently, you know, I'm not a doctor, but he just, he's. He doesn't have any, like huge things, but he's always in sympathy and he'll call me and go, why is the world against me? And I was like, the world isn't against you, dude. You got messed up, went to this party and you missed your kids soccer game, okay? Like, it's not your kid's fault. It's your fault. And then he's like, God, even you're mean to me. Why is everybody mean to me? And then he'll hang up. And then I looked it up. He had a horrible childhood. And I looked it up and I found trom trauma narcissism. And I was like, yeah, oh, a.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

But I'm over that. I am so over being an over understander of people's traumas. Like, we're 40. Like, get your shit together. Like, I'm not going to sit here and be like, well, this happened to this person. And it's like, no, that's okay. Like, I'd rather not take that on, but get your shit together.

[Brent Morin]

Exactly. That's where I've gotten recently because not to bring my dad up again, but he said, I think it was right after my brother passed. He was talking to me. He says, can you do me a favor? And I said, yeah. And he goes, be selfish. He goes, I want you to be selfish.

[Ali Makowski]

Can we get your dad on the pod? Can he be like.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

He's like the camera.

[Brent Morin]

But he was like. Because I'd been helping people out with money, been helping people out here, trying to get my other friend who's no longer with us in rehab, and then this and doing that and doing this, and I fucking look up and I'm like, oh, man, I stopped doing things for me. Part of that is my dad's fault because I looked at his life. His whole life was about others. And I'm thinking only about me. I literally have a billboard that says I'm Brent Morin. I think I'm doing this shit it wrong. I kind of overcorrected because the next thing you know I'm like paying some somebody's rent or I'm doing this and this, or trying to canceling a date so I could go help my friend get off the bathroom floor. And it's like, no, my dad was just like after my brother a lot with him that I was dealing with.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

And it tends to be like a pretty common pattern too. Especially when you're having your own, like, internal turmoil to go outside of yourself and help as many people because it takes you out of, like, your own misery. And that's the pattern that I found with myself. Like, the why is like, why did I just foster, like, dogs in the last 10 months?

[Esther Povitsky]

And three ravens.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

And my therapist was like, ravens?

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Because I. I didn't want to deal with my stuff.

[Brent Morin]

Do you live in a castle?

[Khalyla Kuhn]

I do live in a castle.

[Brent Morin]

That's great.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

But it's. She was like, you don't want to deal with it. It's, like, too hard for you to deal with. So all of this, like, external, like, things you're doing that are so, like, kind and wonderful really have nothing to do with a raven?

[Brent Morin]

Yeah.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

There's everything to do with you not wanting to, like, it's like covering up some kind of shit I don't want to deal with about my own misery.

[Esther Povitsky]

Misery.

[Brent Morin]

Your friends are taking advantage of you in the sense your emotional time. They're hijacking your emotional time to learn about you. You gotta work on this. Like, I can't deal with you calling me every day, talking about your problems as if. I'm a licensed therapist. Go to a therapist. Okay. And leave me alone. I got my own.

[Esther Povitsky]

See, that's where I can claim full responsibility from. Where I have up in my life is, like, literally, like, loving the role of. Of the phone rings, and then all their problems are dumped on me. Like, I literally was sat. I was ready. Like, I just lived for that. I don't know why. I think it was escaping my own life.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

And then that would just lead to the entanglements there. No one can sit out, can stand out here and be like, I am the victim.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Always. Exactly.

[Brent Morin]

Not going to mention his name or anything. He's a great friend of mine. This is a friend I was talking about. Who's with the trauma. Narcissism. The last two girlfriends he's had, he's been in court and getting restraining orders, so. And I told him, I said, bud, when are you gonna blame yourself? I just. I just got so fed up with him. I was like, buddy, you've been in court. They know your name at court. Like, they're wasting your life.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Yeah. What's crazy is you're absolutely wasting your breath.

[Esther Povitsky]

Like, no chance.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

You have no chance. Like, someone who. Who is so deep in their narcissism is not ever willing to. They're not even hearing what you're saying.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

They're all. They're gonna take what you Say and always. Well, God, Brent really wasn't for, you.

[Brent Morin]

Know, mean to me exactly.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

It's another reason best friends, I love them.

[Brent Morin]

But I mean, I will say that it is, it's great entertainment for my parents because what I do after my brother passed is my job is levity. So I call them every day. And between this friend and then I got another friend who's dating a girl 22 years younger, he's having a midlife crisis and it's shocker, not working. And it's just like my mom's favorite reality show. So Glass Half Full. I get to go. My mom is like, so what is going on with them? Okay, you ready? Here's an episode. So.

[Ali Makowski]

Oh my God, moms love gossip.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Oh, my God, My gosh, yes.

[Brent Morin]

Then the follow up emails, like, she's in some fan, like, fiction blog. She's going, I thought about that. Oh, what if he does this? Wouldn't that be interesting? I go, my God, it's like a TV show.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

It's like, are you like a someone who follows up and actually gives her the details that we want? Because I, I can't stand someone who gives me like, oh, yeah, you know, so and so are getting divorced. I'm like, okay, and why? And tell me more. And it's like, no, I don't know why I didn't ask. Like, why the didn't you ask? I need A to Z. I need the TRO report. I need to know what the judge said.

[Ali Makowski]

Does anyone else's mom, like, love when bad things happen? Like, my mom, like, is obsessed with anyone who's died in the neighborhood.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

That's all she reports to me.

[Ali Makowski]

She loves when someone's dying.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Did you know at all, did you know this, B? You know, it's always that. It's always so grim with merit.

[Esther Povitsky]

My mom's whole tik tok feed is just sick and dying babies. I'm like, how did you get here?

[Brent Morin]

Why the whole algorithm?

[Khalyla Kuhn]

What is this twisted, scary second?

[Brent Morin]

Yeah, my mom, I. She's gonna get flagged. She just goes, I have a feeling the government's gonna come and get me. Because I just looked at what I Google and it is dark. Oh, my God, she's watching all these British spy shows then. And she's watching all these serial killer documentaries. So her whole Google is how do you make a bomb? Like, all this crazy. Because she's just trying to get information. I go, mom, you're talking about bombs, terrorism, espionage, and serial killers. And that's all you're looking for up. And then underneath that will be like, Kim Kardashian.

[Ali Makowski]

Throw them off.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah, throw them off the center. I go, mom, you are. ICE is gonna get you. Which is hysterical because my mom's Republican, and she. But she was born in Panama City, and so she's.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

They could mistaken her for Panamanian, and.

[Brent Morin]

That'S what I'm kind of.

[Ali Makowski]

Is that what they're called? Panamanian?

[Brent Morin]

I'm kind of hoping for it. I think I would hate it. And I'd go to the end of the earth to fight to get her back. Me, my older brother. Like, it would be so, so funny because the way she's been supporting Trump in this ice. And then I'm like, if mom got taken, I go, wow, I didn't know you were a drug dealer, criminal, or all the other things you said. Like, I would. It's dark, but that would be really fun.

[Ali Makowski]

Like, you know how some parents send their kids to wilderness if they're, like, being naughty? There should be a program to send, like, a Republican parent to, like, Alligator Alcatraz for a week.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Ali Makowski]

But unbeknownst to them, like, they genuinely, like, everyone's acting like, no, you are illegal. You're bad. No, my friend, just to get a little taste.

[Brent Morin]

What really sucks about that is my. The same buddy who's in court a lot.

[Ali Makowski]

I gotta meet this guy.

[Brent Morin]

Got a beautiful, beautiful kid, you know, Love his kid. I go to all the soccer games, right? And he's.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Is this the guy with the tro With a restraining order?

[Brent Morin]

It is. And his baby mama is El Salvadorian. She's awesome. But if she's mad at me, I'm always like, you know, where are you, bro? Brent, you're supposed to be at the game. Cause I'm Uncle Brent, and I go to the game. Love the game. Kid can't play soccer because three of the kids were taken and the families were taken. And it's like. And I go. And he goes, yeah, my friend is gone, and we don't know where he is. And I'm like, so shit. Like, that pisses me off where I'm like, kid can't even play soccer in the summer because they can't field a team. And now they have the games, and all the games are getting canceled because players aren't showing up with their parents because they're scared ICE will grab them.

[Esther Povitsky]

Just in case it's not abundantly clear, this podcast wants to say, ice, it's horrible.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Yes.

[Esther Povitsky]

They're ruining our community in our country, and it's like, they're not getting rid of criminals. They're just, like, randomly picking it, and it's fully giving Holocaust.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

I just learned that these ICE agents were Holocaust Police Academy dropouts. So they're extra thirsty for action.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

And so these guys like that come in mask, these fucking losers who are coming with unmarked vehicles calls. They're losers. They were dropouts that never even made the academy.

[Ali Makowski]

Some of them are like bounty hunters.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Dude. These monsters, I hate them. If I were to ever see one, because it, you know, I'm from Pasadena, Altadena, and that's like a largely brown community. And they've been cracking down. If I were to see one, I'm putting my body on the line. I hate those.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah, you've been.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

That's where we stand on trash.

[Brent Morin]

Soccer game.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Brent Morin]

It was a lot of fun to go, actually. I enjoyed it. It was cathartic. It's like, you know, I wake up on Saturday. I've been doing shows all night. My buddy is hitting me up. He goes, hey, you going to the game? And I'm like, you know, it's not my kid. But then at the same time, I'm like, yeah, just go. And then I go. And I get there, and I know the grandpas and I know the. I'm trying to learn Spanish and I'm playing with the kids afterward. And they're all cool kids. Like, some of these kids are funny as hell. And they're to going, gone. And now the team's done.

[Esther Povitsky]

I'm sure those little kids were criminals. It's like, what the.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Of course they were. And also, all their parents were criminals. And imagine loving your kids so bad that you've risked your life crossing a border.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

To a country where you probably don't speak the language. God, you must be such a criminal.

[Brent Morin]

H. Yeah. And he can't have sleepovers with his friends because another friend got taken. We went to Gaku, and I go, where's your buddy? Signing.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

I'm sorry to stop you there, guy. Bad choice.

[Brent Morin]

Oh, I know. But it's fun. He likes to play with the flames, so. And it's cheap. It's cheap meat, so.

[Ali Makowski]

No, that's the thing. It's expensive. It's expensive.

[Brent Morin]

Well, it gets away from you. Definitely gets away from you because you go more, and the next thing you know, you go, how did I just spend $180@ Gaku, we didn't even get out the OG.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

You know how there's like, Korean barbecue, but it's like Japanese barbecue. Similar concept. But I always thought it to be, like, extremely overpriced for meat that was, like, subpar when you could go to, like, K Town or all these other better, like, you know, barbecue experience, but.

[Brent Morin]

You get to cook your own meat, so it's exciting.

[Ali Makowski]

I want someone to cook my meat. I want my meat cooked. Don't put me to work. Yeah.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

And you know. You know who I miss? I miss high. Esther sometimes. Because the last time we went to a Korean barbecue.

[Esther Povitsky]

Oh, yeah.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

You were so high, you were staring at a piece of beef for, like, 30 minutes.

[Brent Morin]

You don't get high anymore.

[Esther Povitsky]

No. I had my baby. I don't do anything.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Brent Morin]

Because it's not about you anymore.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah. And I just was like, I never wanted to be taking care of my kid and thinking, like, I can't wait till I'm high.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

And I also was like, oh, I'm responsible for, like, a human's life, and if something goes wrong, like, I have to be at my best self and.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

At the job of any hat.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah. My dad always said it's not about. It's not about me anymore. Once you kids came, it's about you. I had a good run.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Brent Morin]

So he quit everything, and he's just like, no, it's about you guys now.

[Esther Povitsky]

But it had some benefits that I. It helped me, like, relax and, like, learn how to.

[Brent Morin]

I mean, it's fun. I got stoned last night and went and saw Superman. It's one of my favorite things to do. Just take an edible.

[Ali Makowski]

Oh, my God.

[Brent Morin]

Over order, and then just watch a. I mean, I was. It was. It's a silly movie, but, man, I was just flying and that dog was flying. I'm like, whoa. I was just like. And then, like, I'm thinking, man, I really want another hot dog, but I'll have a heart attack. I think I'm getting.

[Ali Makowski]

God, I love movie theater hot dogs.

[Brent Morin]

It's just once I walk in and you smell the popcorn and everything, you go, I guess I'm getting it all. Yes, that's me and Rick Glassman's favorite thing.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

I do have a confession. The last two days in a row, a little treat to myself. Since I've been having a difficult year. I went to Ikea just to have me this. Not the 8, not the 12, but the 16. Meatball.

[Esther Povitsky]

Wait, are you serious?

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Honestly, Two days in a row.

[Brent Morin]

Underrated.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Underrated.

[Esther Povitsky]

Why are you at ikea?

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Just to eat.

[Ali Makowski]

Wow.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Just for the meatballs.

[Esther Povitsky]

Were they good?

[Khalyla Kuhn]

I think I'm Trying to figure out if they are objectively good or if I just like the nostalgia of being in a cafeteria and being served slop.

[Brent Morin]

Yep.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

And being served the peas with the gravy. And I don't know what it is.

[Brent Morin]

But, boy, what a nostalgia. Because I've gone through this. I figured it out. I never work on Sunday. It's the Lord's day. I'm not religious, but I call it the Lord's day. It's day of rest. So I get excited. I'm like, oh, we got the games going on. You know what I really want? I want a corporate pizza. And my buddies are like, ah, dude, come on. We'll get Joe's. We'll get this, we'll get that. I go, no, no, I know they're better. But a corporate pie?

[Ali Makowski]

Like Domino's? Yeah, I love Domino's.

[Brent Morin]

I mean, it's just nostalgic. And I realize, oh, that's nostalgia.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Yeah, it's a full. But that's like a Papa John.

[Brent Morin]

Papa John's ain't bad.

[Esther Povitsky]

What's your deal over there? Because the butter sauce.

[Ali Makowski]

I've not. Well, what it was like.

[Brent Morin]

I mean, I'm just such a reaction.

[Ali Makowski]

I don't think I've had Papa John, so I can't even say. But I just, like, I love Domino's.

[Esther Povitsky]

But the face you made was like. You knew it.

[Ali Makowski]

And, like, it just sounds like Papa John.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

I think Papa John was, like, just generally canceled. Yeah.

[Ali Makowski]

Bag.

[Brent Morin]

Well, he's a little.

[Esther Povitsky]

He doesn't ice.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

And you're like, papa John.

[Esther Povitsky]

Well, I don't know. I don't.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

He was like, a big trumper. Yeah.

[Ali Makowski]

Unfortunately, I will put my money in the hands of people that I don't respect. I'm like, sorry, I can only cob salad for life.

[Esther Povitsky]

It's so good. Get the apple cider vinegar dressing.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Oh, yeah.

[Brent Morin]

Little Caesars upgraded their menu.

[Esther Povitsky]

I love a Little Caesar.

[Brent Morin]

I just remember getting that $5 pizza that's been there all day.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Saved me in college as well. Caesars.

[Brent Morin]

Exactly. When I had no money, living in Van Nuys, and there's a Little Caesars there, we would just, boom. Let's go to Little Caesars. We'll grab a pie.

[Esther Povitsky]

There's a concession food, though, that none of you guys have brought up yet. And I'm like, really? Just confused because it would be my number one choice. Obviously, popcorn would be number one, but, like, when you get to, like, the food portion come on the tray of nachos.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah. Yes. I love a nacho cheese dip. I'm just drinking that cheese dip. Take away those tortilla chips. I'm dipping my finger in that dip. I love when there's leftover cheese at the end of the chips and I can just kind of suck it down.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah, you take the edges.

[Ali Makowski]

I want to open. There's a little. There's like a little, like, tobacco shop by where I live. And it's just like a small, little building. And I wanted to go out of business so bad because I want to open a snack. I want to open a snack shop, like a, like, shack Snack Shack. I want to open a snack where you just have some boiling, like those little crock pot type of things. I want. I want to sell nachos. I want to sell hot dogs. I want to sell slushies. And that's it. Like, just get teens to work there. Very simple. You could just pull over, grab a little snack for the road.

[Brent Morin]

That's kind of brilliant.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah, that's my dream.

[Brent Morin]

Call back to Little League.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah. I want the snack.

[Brent Morin]

You got the kids working the snack shack. And then you're like, dad, dad, dad.

[Ali Makowski]

Dad, Can I get Sour Patch Kids?

[Brent Morin]

Yeah, you know, bro. And you get Sour Patch Kids.

[Ali Makowski]

There's no store like that where you can just buy, like, a little roadside. Yes.

[Esther Povitsky]

A little sliced. Of a tombstone pizza.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

What about 7 11? Yeah. I was like.

[Ali Makowski]

But 711 is different. They have so many things happening in there. Now walk up, it's like, plus, I'll.

[Brent Morin]

End up just buying five zins and then, you know, and a hot dog. Then just my.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

You're not wrong. I will say, like, Seven elevens are obviously not built equal.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Like, they are so different depending on where you go. And I got to say, California ones are one of my least favorite ones.

[Esther Povitsky]

Some of them don't have Slurpees.

[Brent Morin]

I realize why I get all the treats. If I go to a movie and I tell myself, just get a big water and watch the damn movie. But it's like, I can't do that. I gotta get the popcorn. I get Sour Patch Kit. And I realize. I don't know if it's the same for you guys, but we never had the money to be getting.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Yeah.

[Brent Morin]

Things like McDonald's was a celebration, you know, it'd be like, we get to go to McDonald's, get. You know, and like on dominoes. If I had a sleepover, you could get it. And that was it.

[Esther Povitsky]

No, it is.

[Brent Morin]

So now it's like, I can do it myself.

[Esther Povitsky]

It's childhood trauma. For me still to be in the silent movie theater and then just hear my dad go, the can that he brought from home opening, and everyone. It's, like, so humiliating. We. No, we always snuck in our own. It was so bad.

[Brent Morin]

Oh, yeah.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

But I feel like that never goes away. Like, the sneaking things in now is fun.

[Brent Morin]

Oh, I snuck candy yesterday.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

We went. Last time I went with Gene Hong to watch a movie at Universal, and we snuck in froyo from right across from Menchi's across. And it's like, who sneaks in froyo? We did, and it was great.

[Ali Makowski]

You know, it's kind of a game changer, sneaking in chipotle to a movie, having, like, a full damn meal at the Whole Roasted Chicken. Yeah.

[Brent Morin]

Rick Glassman once we got stone and we go to the Galleria and we went to go see a movie, and he went. And he was like, I really want fud Rockers, and I want to bring it into the movie. So he went to Fud Ruckers. Got Fud Ruckers. And then he went to the. There was a furniture store there, Urban Home, and asked. He asked for a box. He just walked in with this box. He's like, I bought a lamp. And they just let him in because it's part of the mall. And then he set up his whole thing. Open the box. He had the fries. He had multiple dips. He had the whole thing. And I was like, bravo, my man. That was a good mood.

[Esther Povitsky]

Wait, this is a really weird question. Has anyone here ever had a McDonald's snack wrap?

[Ali Makowski]

I was hoping we were gonna go back to the McDonald's conversation. I wanted to discuss how good the breakfast is. The pancakes from McDonald's and the butter and the syrup are so good. Some of my favorite pancakes in the world.

[Brent Morin]

And the hash brown, good sausage Patty Crap.

[Ali Makowski]

I've never. I've never had a snack.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

I don't know.

[Ali Makowski]

It's been around, really, but it was, like, kind of seasonal.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Ali Makowski]

It just stopped.

[Esther Povitsky]

It feels like this menu item where, like, no one I know has had it, and I. I'm like, what's the deal?

[Ali Makowski]

My sisters have been discussing the. The return of the snack wrap. They love the snack.

[Esther Povitsky]

It's like a tortilla with a fried chicken piece. Like a tender.

[Ali Makowski]

Some lettuce.

[Esther Povitsky]

Lettuce and cheese.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

It sounds good.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah, I know, but I'm like, what is. What is it? I'm like, it's like giving Taco Bell. It's giving.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

No, no, no, no, no. A Wrap is.

[Ali Makowski]

It's a wrap.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Yeah, it's a wrap.

[Ali Makowski]

It's a wrap. It's a chicken wrap.

[Esther Povitsky]

It's lettuce, cheese, and a tortilla. You're telling. You guys are looking at me like I'm crazy when I say Taco Bell.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

I mean, I guess a chicken soft tac.

[Ali Makowski]

It's like a Caesar wrap or, like, any sort of wrap.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah. Okay.

[Brent Morin]

I love you. I've seen Esther.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

No.

[Esther Povitsky]

Have you had it?

[Ali Makowski]

I haven't had it, but I just had a Popeyes snack wrap the other night.

[Brent Morin]

Let you down.

[Ali Makowski]

It was a little bit too much of the, like, mayo e Sauce. Like, it was a little bit too wet.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Ali Makowski]

Which normally I like. But because it wasn't packed with the other ingredients, it felt like the. The mayo sauce. Sauce was too much of the main ingredient.

[Esther Povitsky]

When ratios are off.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Yeah, it's ratios and how it's packed.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah, yeah.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

And the layering of it all. Because I think the reason that I get my favorite breakfast burrito is Lucky Boy in Pasadena. And while there's nothing fancy about it, it's hash, brown egg, bacon. Just the very basics. But it's how they wrap it. It is not messy. It is a huge burrito and not a. You can walk away with clean hands. It's easy to hold, easy to dip. It doesn't fall apart, and it makes the whole experience just for me.

[Ali Makowski]

Los Feliz Cafe has a great breakfast burrito.

[Esther Povitsky]

What is up with that?

[Ali Makowski]

What?

[Brent Morin]

Okay, I love this.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

What is up with that?

[Brent Morin]

She's been very passionate.

[Esther Povitsky]

There's two places in LA that I, like, always looked at as, like, so mid. It's Los Feliz Cafe and Dialogue Cafe.

[Ali Makowski]

Okay.

[Esther Povitsky]

And then all of a sudden, TikTok has blown both of those people. Like, this is the best. There's. And there's a line. I'm like, is it really going to take their bots?

[Khalyla Kuhn]

I think someone is, like, trying to figure out the algorithm for dialogue.

[Ali Makowski]

I can track it. You know what happened? I don't know about dialogue, but, yeah, like, dialogue. I used to go there, and I was like, this food sucks. And then suddenly I would hear people be like, it's amazing. And I'm like, this is crazy.

[Brent Morin]

White kids saying it's. It's bomb.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah.

[Ali Makowski]

But Los Feliz Cafe, when I was babysitting this. This family, they would, like, get Los Feliz Cafe and they would give me a burrito, and I was the most amazing breakfast burrito I've ever had. The rest of the food there is fine. Whatever. I love the breakfast burrito from. It's just. It's packed, it's dense, it's heavy. It's so good. It tastes delicious. It's greasy. It's yummy. It's perfect. But I will say Jake Shane recently did a video talking about it. And I think that's why people are now going there and talking about it.

[Esther Povitsky]

But it's had, like, tik tok buzz for a few years.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah.

[Brent Morin]

Now do you think those places, somebody who obviously is not good at social media, like Bobby Fischer of social media just disappeared? Do you think that they're getting paid to do that?

[Ali Makowski]

Maybe. I think for some things. Yeah. People.

[Brent Morin]

It's kind of a good move if you're like, you know, one of those cafes and you're like, let's just throw them like five grand.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah.

[Brent Morin]

To promote this.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Yeah.

[Ali Makowski]

But I will say the burrito, like, stand. It holds up.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Yeah.

[Ali Makowski]

Whether they were paid or not to mention it. Like, I. I'. Oh, I love. I'm going to get it on the way home. It's so good.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

You haven't had the lucky boy one in Pasadena.

[Ali Makowski]

Now I want to go there.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Now I've been going to this place since sound great. The second day I landed in America. It has not changed. It is just as good. And I'll tell you how to do it. There's a specific way to eat it. So you have to get the ranch. You have to get the red sauce, and you have to get ketchup. And you have each bite, you have to alternate.

[Brent Morin]

Love it.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

The sauces. Okay. And it gives you the whole experience. Let me know what you think. Please. Everyone go there. It's my most favorite spot. Go to the one on Arroyo, not the second one. Arroyo is the OG legitimate like.

[Brent Morin]

And that's gonna be. When did you come here?

[Khalyla Kuhn]

1998.

[Brent Morin]

Wow. So. And they're still open, so they got to be good. That's credibility right there.

[Ali Makowski]

The only thing that concerns me is your palette from just moving here and being, like, amazed by America and maybe that place having, like, a tie.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Okay. So. So try it and let me know if it's my nostalgia or if it is legitimately, like, go.

[Esther Povitsky]

I would like to throw my hat in the ring for the breakfast burrito race.

[Ali Makowski]

Okay.

[Esther Povitsky]

There's a place that I discovered when I was pregnant. It's on Postmates. I think it's a ghost kitchen. I know that's a red flag, but trust me, it's not. It's called Wake and late.

[Ali Makowski]

Oh, yeah. What?

[Esther Povitsky]

What? What? What?

[Ali Makowski]

Let me just.

[Brent Morin]

You two aren't friends anymore?

[Ali Makowski]

I'm trying to.

[Brent Morin]

Papa John.

[Ali Makowski]

Let me go through my Uber history, because I think I got it once, and I'm trying. I need to remember if I actually feel it's perfect.

[Esther Povitsky]

They offer every kind of customization you could ask for. It's, you know, for me, I'm getting baking late.

[Ali Makowski]

Is. They. I. I went in person.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Oh, it's not a ghost kitchen.

[Ali Makowski]

No, they're outdoor. Let me just make sure I'm getting this right.

[Esther Povitsky]

Like, it's wrapped perfectly in foil and then put in a little box. It's almost like the sugar fish of breakfast burritos, because you know how sugarfish, like, transport so well. It's so hot and fresh. Like, interesting.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

So many customization.

[Esther Povitsky]

Opt.

[Brent Morin]

Okay.

[Esther Povitsky]

Not huge.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Which I think two other places for breakfast burritos. And so we're going down this rabbit. Rabbit hole. Surprisingly Kofax.

[Esther Povitsky]

Oh, yeah, of course.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

It's pretty good.

[Ali Makowski]

I do know.

[Brent Morin]

Okay, you know what?

[Ali Makowski]

No. For being small.

[Brent Morin]

The energy has shifted now to you. You have strong opinions.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Let me give you my second one. I think it's called the. The one in Burbank. Is it called, like, cottage or something like that?

[Esther Povitsky]

If only we could learn how to make our own breakfast burrito perfectly at home. That's where I. That's my goal in 2027.

[Brent Morin]

I've been cooking recently.

[Ali Makowski]

Okay, what are you cooking?

[Brent Morin]

Starting with the basics. But I've been trying to find a hobby, something to just distract my anxiety, and I find cooking to be. Maybe it's because I watched the bear in its entirety, but I. I, like. I just recently watched it because I. I'm petty. And I was up for the cousin role, and I thought I was going to get that thing and then takes me. Me time. I mean, if you're better than I would be in it, then I'm good. And he is. So I was like, all right. That dude is perfect casting.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

I loved him even for how shitty. How awful his character was on Girls.

[Brent Morin]

Oh, yeah, that's right. He did Girls.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Yeah. Cousin is my favorite character on the show. Just his, like, broke my heart.

[Brent Morin]

Loved him. Love his arc.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Yeah.

[Brent Morin]

And. But I binge that thing, and next thing you know, I go to Trader Joe's and I'm getting ingredients, and I'm just. I'm gonna try to make my own pasta from scratch. How do I do that? Go to YouTube. And then I started doing it, and then I realized I don't Have a pasta maker. I just have a piece of bread here. We'll make a pizza. And then I made a pizza, and I went just horrible. It was so rich. I got crazy.

[Ali Makowski]

You know what I mean? I made a. I made a. Like, a trashy pizza where you get, you know, like, marinara sauce, little English muffin, get some little pepperonis, little cheese, put it in the, you know, toaster oven, and then you got a little mini personal pizza. That sounds really good.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

I love my. Similar to that. I have this poor man's dip, and it's really just, like, the shittiest chili you'll ever. So it's. You get, like, sort of a plate that has some depth to it, and you take a whole tub of cream cheese, and then you get a whole can of Hormel chili, put it on top, and then shredded cheese, stick it in the microwave, get the cheapest nachos you find. And. Oh, my God. This is all. This was my thing. This was my trashy pizza.

[Brent Morin]

I love that.

[Ali Makowski]

That's nap time.

[Brent Morin]

I love that.

[Ali Makowski]

Mixing sour cream with salsa.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Yes. Did you not get a sunburn in Hawaii, or.

[Ali Makowski]

No, because I was so. I was so conscientious.

[Brent Morin]

Nice.

[Ali Makowski]

Yes. I had to do it very slow and. Conscience. Conscience. Yeah. Yeah. And I knew. I was like, I know that left to my own devices, I'm going to ruin this trip for myself if I don't lather up. And so I really. Yeah, I was very careful. I got a nice tan. I got some color. I wasn't red, but during COVID at the beginning of, like, lockdown, I was at my mom's house and treating it like Covid Coachella. Like, I was just, like, listening to music in the backyard, laying out, and I was not wearing any sunscreen. And my skin truly turned, like, purple. Like, it was, like, beyond red. I felt like a chicken, like, in the oven, like, cooking, like, my skin. I was like, oh, I should have, like, put on a marinade. Because I felt like I was truly, like, starting to cook, like, sizzle. And I was like, I'm gonna get cancer. I will get cancer.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah. In ninth grade, when we went back to Masquam Kid, it was like, our last trip. I was like, all right. Me and my cousin were like, all right. We failed. We failed for three years. We never found summer love. We're not bleaching our hair this time. All right. No shaved heads, no puka shells. We're done. Like, I went through the whole list. The night before I go, we'll do some Push ups, I said, and you need to make sure I put sunblock on. And I am not dealing with your homophobia. You are putting it on my back because I. I have dealt with way too many people laughing at me because my back is just red. So anyway, does it still. I get bright red. Some college girls were walking by, and this one, I was fearless. I just went, hey, what's your name? And she looked at me and went, jesus, did you just hold your breath for like five minutes? And then walked away? And I was like, God, that's such a good burn. And I went, it's not working, okay? We cannot be Be at the beach.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

There is an extra ick to all of this, and it's not. It's even worse than the sunburn. It's the guy who asks me to put sunscreen on his back.

[Esther Povitsky]

Someone has done that to you?

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Well, it's like, even if you're part of my friend group, but we're not that close. Like, I'm not the girl to ask. Like, no, thank you, sir. Yeah, for me, huh?

[Brent Morin]

Is it the hair? Hairy back.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

I feel disgusted by it.

[Ali Makowski]

Well, you know what else is a nick reverse of that, but similar is when someone's putting lotion on your back and just kind of doing loose fingers, like, rub it under the suit.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Under the suit. The lines under the suit is the.

[Ali Makowski]

Most important when they're getting, like, just very soft hands.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Gross.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah, rub it in.

[Brent Morin]

I would have killed from 6th grade to 9th grade to have any girl ask me to put sunscreen on their back.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

This is so hot, though. When I've asked a guy to, like, hey, can you, like, hook me up? And they know exactly what to do, and they get the. Your bikini straps, and they go there underneath the straps first, and they cover all of the. The real estate. I'm like, God, you're. You be my husband.

[Ali Makowski]

You know, See, all start getting towards the tips. You're like, you don't want to. You don't want to get burned nipples.

[Esther Povitsky]

This whole conversation is just reminding me why I.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

But see, this is why I love you. I love you because you know yourself, it's. This is why sunburns are an ick. You don't like the sun, you know, your pale, beautiful skin, and you just don't deal with it.

[Esther Povitsky]

And I don't want you putting it on my back. I don't want you. You asking me to put it on your back. It's like, I don't want any part of this. I don't have no Freckles.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah. You know what's interesting about you, Esther, besides your love for that race is Papa John. But, I mean, we know who you are now, and that's okay. You live in your white world. I live in my red world, you know? You. I don't. I guess she's Jewish and. No, but your skin baffles me.

[Ali Makowski]

Why?

[Brent Morin]

Because as a white. White. I wrinkle. You don't have one wrinkle.

[Esther Povitsky]

Up close, I do. That's so nice of you. Thank you.

[Brent Morin]

No, she doesn't, though, you know.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah. You've got a lot of collagen. Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Thank you, guys. Up close, it's not. I don't know.

[Brent Morin]

And that's because you avoid the sun.

[Esther Povitsky]

Because I definitely avoid the sun. But I will say, like, living in LA is what will be my downfall. Because as much as you try, you're not avoiding it. Like, if I like. My mom's skin is, like, really good for her age. For sure. Like, better than I feel like many. And that's because she does her sunscreen. But she's also not cal. That California sun, you. You can't escape it.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

I have a question. How are your vitamin D levels? Are you taking, like, supplements?

[Esther Povitsky]

They're always low. I know. I'm always supplementing. Yeah.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Okay.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah. Because it's like you and Winona Ryder. She's like, don't crack, you know.

[Esther Povitsky]

Thank you. I. I, trust me, it's. I look like a teenager with wrinkles up close. Thank you.

[Brent Morin]

Well, this is the great thing about comedians, too. It's impossible for us to take compliments.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah, I'll take any.

[Brent Morin]

I love your glasses in your hair.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

You know what I like about you?

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah, what's that?

[Esther Povitsky]

Wait, no, she doesn't.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Yes, she does.

[Esther Povitsky]

She does.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Let me see.

[Esther Povitsky]

No, she doesn't.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Yeah, she does.

[Esther Povitsky]

No.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Her eyeballs float in the middle of the white.

[Esther Povitsky]

No, that's scary. I don't want her to have that.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

She does. It's. I love it.

[Brent Morin]

They are nice. Nice size.

[Esther Povitsky]

No, Ally is perfect.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

She's Billy Eilish has sampu eyes.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

She's tall. She's funny.

[Ali Makowski]

One time, I got boobs. Yeah, you do have big boobs.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

What a sleeper body.

[Ali Makowski]

I know, I know. It's kind of a secret. It's a fun little secret. And a tiny. It's so small.

[Esther Povitsky]

Don't wake her up.

[Brent Morin]

I have no ass. But it's hairless.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

You have a hairless ass.

[Brent Morin]

I have a hairless ass and my.

[Ali Makowski]

Butt is so hairy. When I went To Hawaii. I, I actually, I sent a photo to my boyfriend and I was like, do I need to shave the cheek skin on my butt?

[Khalyla Kuhn]

But is it just fuzz or is it like real adult hair?

[Ali Makowski]

It's. It's like, it's fuzz, but it's dark. It's not white fuzz. It's dark fuzz on my full cheek. My full body is hairy. Yeah. I want, I want to show you. I have. It's dark. I'm like, do I need to wax my ass cheeks? The full cheeks?

[Esther Povitsky]

No, no. I don't even think they offer that.

[Ali Makowski]

They would.

[Brent Morin]

You just gotta wear tighter pants and, and walk 20, 000 steps a day for a month and you'll be hairless.

[Esther Povitsky]

Because, you know, when they say cheek at a brain, it's misleading. It says cheek, but what they really mean is whole. Yeah.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah. I love getting my whole waxed. Feels nice. Yeah.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

That's like the one place I never fear. Yeah. I feel nothing back.

[Ali Makowski]

It's like the cherry on top. I can't wait.

[Brent Morin]

Let me ask you. This is actually because I got waxed on television. On live television. When I was doing on dateable Live. Yeah. Ed Sheeran waxed me on live television. Right on my chest.

[Ali Makowski]

Brag.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah. After. Oh, God, I miss him. That hurts. So you guys got to do that.

[Ali Makowski]

All the time, like, mentally prepare for a wax. But I started. I was looking at your legs. Do you, do you. Are you just naturally soft?

[Khalyla Kuhn]

I have hair on top. I don't shave up top.

[Esther Povitsky]

I know. Don't even listen to her.

[Ali Makowski]

I'm like, yeah, but your skin is so, like, nice and tan that it blends. Mine's so white that you can see it grow as it's growing. You can see the pore being like.

[Esther Povitsky]

Here'S the thing about a Brazilian bikini wax. Like, it is hell on earth. Like, you have to have to work up weeks worth of courage to even just make the appointment because you know it's going to be so, so, so bad. It's going to be so, so bad. Like, so bad. But then you get a high afterwards.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

I think it's like if you give birth without pain meds, like, you just. You get this.

[Ali Makowski]

It's like you're just strutting around town like, yeah, I just got my destroyed. Right.

[Esther Povitsky]

Like instead of a baby, you have like a baby's and. Yeah, that high.

[Ali Makowski]

There's a joke. Joke. There's a bit. Write it down.

[Esther Povitsky]

I just have my first joke.

[Brent Morin]

I mean, well, I'm not putting that into my dirty talk. Next time I'm with the girl I.

[Ali Makowski]

Normally like, I'll psych myself up for the waxing appointment. I'll be like, this is going to be the worst pain of your life. Like, this is going to be horrible. And then every once in a while I'll forget to do that and I'll be like, okay, wax time. And then it's even worse, like when you go in with too much confidence, then you're just shocked into.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

See, I chose my waxing lady. Very strategic strategically. And she is in west Hollywood, so the demographic of her clientele is mostly hairy gay men. So I know that what I'm dealing with is nothing for her. So every time I'm like, hey, Felicia, you know, can I come in? She just never bats and she's just like, oh yeah, you're the quickest job ever. Because all day she's doing like, man, what do you call it?

[Ali Makowski]

Man?

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Zillions. Yeah, she is wacky. Seeing big hairy, coarse haired men.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah, yeah.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

So my thing is like, she can do it with her ice skulls, like backwards.

[Esther Povitsky]

I think that's what I get as a manzilian.

[Ali Makowski]

Me too, me too. And they're always trying to push the serums on me. I'm like, I'm not doing the serum. Also, I think I scare my waxers because I'm always like, what a fun job. You just get to stare at like vaginas all day and they're like, what? And I'm like, okay, never mind. I think that'd be so fun to you.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

You get to watch my pussy.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

15 minutes.

[Ali Makowski]

I feel like that'd be so fun to be a waxer and see everyone's weird, nasty. And then I come in and they're like, it's so beautiful.

[Brent Morin]

Oh, that's great. Yeah, I actually no one's ever said that. In college. I naired my chest. Yeah, that narration throwback. Wow. Yeah, I was stupid because it's like I realized, you know, I'm 18, 19. I thought I had too much arm hair. So I narrowed my arms and I naired my chest and I looked horrible. First off, I realized I don't do a lot of chest exercises because I realized, you know what? The hair was your friend. Your hair was helping a little bit of the. This come in now. It's just too, you know.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Do you have a sunken chest?

[Brent Morin]

Somebody said that to me before.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

I'm sorry, it's not a bad thing I said.

[Brent Morin]

No, it's just, I will be honest. I'm not gay, but I appreciate. You know, like, I will sit around with Rick Glassman, and we. We talk way too much about male bodies, and we'll just be like, look how hot that guy's chest is. Like, that is a good chest is a real thing.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Yeah.

[Brent Morin]

But I'm. I've never been able to get that thing like that. I just realized, like, I'm like Chuck Liddell. It's just gonna be flat.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

Another throwback. How you doing, Chucky? We love you.

[Brent Morin]

Point is, I narrowed everything, and that's the end of the story. Clip that.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

The smell of Nair is very nostalgic for me. That, like, really toxic, depilatory spray creams. Love them.

[Brent Morin]

My friend put Nair in one of my buddy's shampoos.

[Ali Makowski]

Oh, no, no.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

That's a crime. That should be a crime.

[Ali Makowski]

Yeah.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

That's a felony, right?

[Brent Morin]

That's so friends. I mean, we're in high school. We're doing dumb left and right. Also. Great scam. The greatest scam artist I've ever met in my life. He is so good, and he loves the lie. He says it's. He goes, commit to the bit. He would get in the movie theaters. We in high school or no college. We come back, we're gonna go to a movie during Christmas time, and it's packed act. And he goes, we're not waiting in this line to get tickets. He goes, what movie do you want to see? Because they had the movies and where they were. And I said, I guess that one. And he goes, all right, just follow my lead. And he went over and grabbed napkins and walked up to the person and just went, napkins? And they went, okay. And let him in. I didn't follow him. And I went, how did you just do that? Then he comes back out. He goes, what the hell? Where are you? I go, what was that? He goes, we're just getting napkins for our food, and we're going in.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

I feel like this is in your dad's playbook for sure.

[Brent Morin]

Greatest con he ever did, though. And I'll end with this is he's at a bachelor party in Vegas, and I guess Manny Pacquiao just had a fight. And they were a nightclub for this bachelor party where Manny was having the afterparty of the fight. And he says, I want to get up there. So he went over and lied to three security guards that he was a writer for the New York Times to do a piece on Manny. And it worked. And he got into the party, then interviewed the team and Manny.

[Ali Makowski]

Oh, My God.

[Brent Morin]

Which of course he never published. Published because he's not a writer. And Manny Pacquiao sent him a jacket. Wow, thanks for the interview. Can't wait. Can't wait to read it. And his fiance at the time goes, what did you do? I don't know. Committed to the bit.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Ali Makowski]

I need to build my confidence to be able to do that.

[Brent Morin]

Well, he doesn't have a stage so he does it in life.

[Ali Makowski]

Yes.

[Brent Morin]

Because we like shared a crib together. We were like best friend, like longest friend ever. And we were supposed to do standup at the same time. He was going to do it in Boston, I was going to do it in la. And he didn't do it. He chickened out, went took the business route and then I did it. But that's his life now. It's bits. So anytime he's around. Oh, he's so good at it too.

[Esther Povitsky]

I've lost my will for in person bits since I started standup. Like I don't have that energy anymore for in person.

[Brent Morin]

I don't want to be on.

[Ali Makowski]

Well, there's not a need. We get like so much attention. Yeah, I can't stand.

[Khalyla Kuhn]

We have to go because I.

[Esther Povitsky]

Our studio is. We're about to get kicked out. But we love you guys. Thank you for being here. Are you guys on tour or anything to promote?

[Ali Makowski]

I have some shows coming up. You can go to ali mosky.com shows.

[Esther Povitsky]

See me see her there and Brent.

[Brent Morin]

I'm not on tour cuz I'm working on a oneman play about our one man show about me and my brother. Oh my gosh. I'm writing the music to it and the hope is that I can bring it to Broadway at the some point working with these producers and I think we're going to do a run in Connecticut once it's done and then ideally these producers we're going to bring it to Broadway.

[Esther Povitsky]

I can't wait to see that.

[Brent Morin]

Yeah, it's going to be called Be mighty because we used to call Matt Mighty Matt and so that's. I'm spending all my time working on that right now.

[Ali Makowski]

That's awesome.

[Esther Povitsky]

I'm on tour this fall. You can get tickets@pretty littlebaby tour.com and Kila has a hair care brand called EV Ocean Club.

[Ali Makowski]

I do.

[Esther Povitsky]

Thank you Evotion Club Club.

[Ali Makowski]

Com.

[Esther Povitsky]

We'll see you next week with a brand new episode.