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You're listening to the Travis Makes Money podcast presented by GoHighLevel.com for a free 30 day trial of the best all in one digital marketing software tool on the planet. Just go to gohighlevel.com travis. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Travis Makes Money podcast where it's our mission to help you make more money. So thanks for tuning in and you're welcome for tuning in if you want more money. Eric, what's up, man?
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Yeah, I don't know if you remember a couple days ago I read some quotes and I had you go, agree or disagree.
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Yeah.
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And I thought we could do something.
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That again, distant, faint in my memory.
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But barely remember it.
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Yeah, we'll try it out.
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So I'm going to read some quotes by well known fellas and I want you to say, agree or disagree and give me a little bit of context. Why?
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All right.
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What you looking for in your desk over there? Just deciding if you look like a Bond villain. He's looking for the button that tases me.
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Yeah, yeah. That just drops you into a tank of alligators, right?
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Yeah. Yeah. I love that you have so much nicotine in your desk. You're like, which one do I want?
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And this is. This is just a small sample size of the total volume of nicotine.
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You're like. You're like the old guys in front of me at Walgreens that are like, give me the skulls from the, from the lower shelf. The black one. No. The red one with the right white stripe. No, the white stripe.
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One more left. Left over.
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One more.
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That one? Yeah. Just in this desk drawer right here. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 options.
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Travis has no teeth. The problem, they're gone.
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The problem is, like, I talk about it a good amount on the show, but I don't do that much nicotine compared to, like, most nicotine users. Like, I have a couple pouches a day when I'm in productivity sessions. Like, I'm not just like, waking. And I was gonna say waking and bacon, but that's not exactly what it would be. Waking and nicking. I'm not doing that. But I just. I got sent so much nicotine because we talked about it like, twice on the show early, like, you know, a few months ago that it's gonna take me a full year to work my way through all this and potentially even more than that because, like, these ones, like, 9 milligrams in a single, like, that's. That's just crazy.
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So much. All right. So I'm gonna read some quotes.
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You're the worst.
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I felt like the. That meme of like, the. The girl at the concert and like the drunk dude is like yelling in her ear, telling her wrestling and she's like, not interested at all. That's you telling me about Nick?
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That's me. The majority of our friendship.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I'm just kidding. Only really? Nicotine. Like, honestly, the only. No, the only times I. No, the only time I ever, like, tend to fully. But it's. The thing is the first few times I hear you with certain things, it's interesting.
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We talk about.
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No, no, no. I'm just saying, like, in general, I was thinking of things where I actually do glaze over. And honestly, I feel like it's only stuff that I could like verbatim quote. Oh, yeah, Because I was trying to think.
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Well, because you've been editing my stuff.
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For so long, you really don't have a lot of things where, like, I think it's just boring in general.
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Let's talk about this.
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But it's like when. It's like when you say, like, like the minute I'm listening, you do an interview and you're like, oh, you do door to door sales. Like, gun in mouth. Like, I, like, I've heard I could tell you everything in great detail. Like down to the year. Like, I know February to April, I was working here. You know, I know. I know it. But it's not because it's inherently boring. It's just. I've heard it.
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Right. It would be like, like probably literally over 100 times.
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It's like, it would be like when I say, you know, if you're listening to me on another podcast, I'm like, yeah, was in the documentary Let us Pray and it was right between Megan Thee Stallion's rap and Selena Gomez's cooking show on HBO Max in those top 10.
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That was my claim to fame.
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That was sick, though.
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Yeah.
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I'm not gonna lie. But see, so is door to door sales. You know, we all have things.
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I was literally talking to Jackie about this the other day because we were.
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Talking about Let us Pray being right between.
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About Let Us Pray being rapid and sleanic.
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I'm a huge Megan Thee Stallion fan.
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That makes.
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And so the fact that, like, I beat her in the charts.
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Yeah, yeah.
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You know, in a way.
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In a way. For at least. For at least some period of time, like a week. That's good. Yeah, yeah. We're talking about the first time that you filmed. I think, I think it was the first time we ever filmed anything together. But I was filming a course, getting nervous, networking. It was like the first time I ever tried anything like that. It was not good. I mean, the content was. Was ok. It was just like. I didn't know how to sell it. I didn't know what I was doing. I didn't like Explosion. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We tried a couple webinars or something at the time. No idea how to do those. So the course itself ended up bombing and that's ended. And that is actually why I got into like doing more group coaching, like, slash Mastermind stuff, because I was like, I'm actually better at building community than I am at selling courses. But anyway, that was the first time that you came over and I was like thinking I was telling Jackie that. I was like, it's funny because I. I tend to not say as, like, as much as many things around Eric because I know he knows all the things that I would say. But I also know that it makes me feel like I don't know that much because you know everything that I'm going to say already. But in reality, it was like when I. When I. When I was talking about the first time that we filmed and it was like where you actually gave me genuine compliments when we were filming. You're like, I actually. Mindfulness.
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That's a distant memory.
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Yeah, I know, exactly. No, but you're like, I just don't mind filming this stuff because I'm like, I like learning about this stuff too. And it was.
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I don't remember any of that.
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I know, exactly.
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That's the whole point. So foggy.
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But now that's so far in the past that you don't learn anything from any of my stuff anymore because it's basically you writing all of it.
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Yeah, no, no, it. It, it is. It is funny how that works, though. Like, it. But I mean, that's anything though, that. That's literally like me talking to.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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It's so funny because you. You had mentioned it threw me off actually doing an interview recently because you had said. You say. You said. You said. I feel like I'm in Abbott and Costello. But you said. I said. He said. You said that. I say that I was telling Tara or I was telling my wife.
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Yeah.
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So I. So I was in. This episode's already a wash. We're getting the topic. But you said that. And then I was in Nashville, I'm in person in studio doing an interview, and I said I was just telling my wife.
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Yeah.
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And I shut down because I thought, oh, my God, I'm doing it. So then I addressed it on the thing. Like, my friend. I'm sorry, my friend just told me that I always say this all the time, but I say all that to say, last night, I was talking to my wife, and I said, I was talking to Travis, and I went, oh, my God. When I'm with. I was like, when I'm with my wife, everything I say is. I was talking to Travis, and he said, and when I'm with you, everything is. I was talking to my wife. And then I was like, there's way too much crossover.
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Yeah.
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Like, I feel like we've been married for a couple years, me and you. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But I feel like it's the same thing as, like, when I talk to Tara, right. She goes like. Like, I'll be like, oh, yeah, I was talking about this thing with the. The pod. And she's like, yeah, I know. If you've told me 50,000 times.
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Exactly.
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And I feel like that's kind of just like any close relationship. You're like, he's really passionate about that, but we just let him talk to others about that thing. Anyway, I'm going to read you some quotes.
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Yeah. We haven't done a single quote, have we?
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Yeah. This quote's from Joanna. No, I'm just kidding. I'm going to read you some quotes. I want you to tell me if you agree or disagree. There's a couple spicy ones in here. Are you ready? All right. You sure?
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Ready?
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Okay. Life is a single player game. You're born alone, you're gonna die alone. All your interpretations are alone. All your memories are alone. Jeez. A little dark, huh?
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Technically true, but in practice, not helpful. I don't think, like. Like, it's tr. It's. If you think about from a video, like, actually playing a video game, that is the truth. Like, we don't. We don't get the. We don't get the ability to, like, switch and spawn as a new person. Like, we don't get the ability to actually see the world through somebody else's eyes and go throughout their day. So. But I also think that that wildly undervalues the importance of great relationships, strong community, and a sense of belonging in the world. You know? So I, like, I would. I would just be really careful to delve further into those types of concepts because you could get really miserly really quickly and really rude to people really quickly. But the. The one thing I will say about that, though, was that especially when I was coming out of the religious circles that we grew up in. That was one thing that I. I could not get out of my head. Was that like, the thing, the way that I've said it to other people who've been, who were also not necessarily coming out of that world, but at least had some questions. The only thing, like, the thing that I would sort of lead with as sort as like this was the. The one concept that I could not stop thinking about was that you are the only person that has to wake up every day and be you. And at the time, I was quite literally thinking about dedicating my life to doing something so that I could save face with people I respected when I saw them six days out of the year for a conference or event or, you know, a guest speaking spot or something, or that my. So my social media friends would know that I'm still in the mission and, you know, push pressing toward the mark or whatever. And I just had this realization. It was like, so I'm gonna live like 359 days a year doing something that I don't feel is the right thing for me to do. So that those six days I can feel like I didn't let down other people. Like, that does not make any sense. So I think there's a lot of value to thinking from. Thinking about it from that perspective because I think too many people are stuck doing a bunch of stuff that they don't actually really like. They just were. It was thrust upon them and not even in. Not even like the way that ordinary checking. Just a place to park your money. Our checking. A $300 head start. As a member of Oregon State Credit Union, you'll feel the benefits from day one. Open a new checking account, set up direct deposit, and we'll add 300 bucks to get you going. Oregon State Credit Union Human to human banking insured by NCUA equal housing lender $25 minimum balance required subject to change terms and conditions. It was for us, where it was more like this religious ideology that was very culty. But even if it's stuff that's good, objectively good for you, like going to college or working in a certain career path or, you know, fill in the blank. It's just any of those things that are generated out of other people's desire for you to do them rather than your own desire to do them are things that you should question and ask yourself if it's something you should continue doing and if you've not done, like, if you don't know why you're doing anything that you're doing, then it's probably a good indicator that you're only doing them because somebody else told you to do them. And you're probably lacking some sense of fulfillment or purpose in life. I'm just guessing.
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So would you say the quote as it sits you would overall find helpful or unhelpful?
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I would overall agree with the quote. I would just say that you could, you could venture into non helpful territory if you look at it from a jaded perspective. Like if you, if you just got fired by your boss and you're. And you caught your co worker that you thought liked you talking shit about you as you were leaving type of a thing, and you're just really skeptical, skeptical about all people. And you read a quote like that, it could just make you be like, you know, live out the rest of my days as a hermit in the mountains by myself because I'm the only person that matters anyway type of a thing. Like, it could take you to a dark place, I suppose, like pretty quickly. But I think it still remains true and is, and is relatively helpful if you're thinking about it from the perspective that I shared, which is that, you know, you're the only per. Like you are. You get to choose your own adventure. Like you are the main character in your game and you get to, you get to go wherever you want to go. So engineer your life in a way that is advantageous to what your personality, thoughts, interests, desires and all that stuff is and not just this amalgam of all these other people and what they've told you to do your whole life.
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So you didn't like that quote?
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Who said it?
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Naval ravagant.
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Really? Yeah, yeah.
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I wanted to, I was, I wanted to find one that you'd be like, absolutely disagree. That's atrocious. And then I could be like, oh, that's your boy.
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That's my homie.
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All right, here's the, here's another quote. Okay, you ready? You want to be rich and anonymous, not poor and famous?
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Yeah, totally. I definitely agree with that. That's. That, that. So I have this, like, I, I mean, it sort of sounds weird to call it a dream, but I guess it is a dream because it is not something that I do for a living. But I've always liked acting of movies and TV and the production and, you know, everything that goes on behind the scenes. Like, I like all that. And so that was one of the things that I thought about early on was like, I don't, I Don't really want. Like, the unfortunate thing about being an actor is that it is an indicator that you are doing well in your profession if you are famous. You know what I'm saying? Like, you can't really be the best actor in the world without also being super famous. So you can't choose that path and then take away the fame aspect from it just for the love of the game. Yeah. You know, like, you can do your best. You know, there's plenty of examples of actors who. Who, like, they only are in LA when they're filming a project, but they live in, like, Ohio in the middle of nowhere because they're trying to get away from all of that when, like, they're trying to live their life and they just love acting.
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It is a bummer. It is a factor.
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Yes.
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Like, Carrie Coom was just talking about that from White Lotus.
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Oh, really?
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She was saying, because. She was saying because she was big on, I guess, on Broadway before, so she did a lot of stage performing, which I found, like, most, like, actors that love the craft, like, prefer the stage and they just do movies because they pay them so they can do the stage.
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Yeah.
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But she, I guess in her background, like, she had won a bunch of awards on this Broadway show and then got booted from the show. I think she got replaced by, I want to say, like, Ariana or some. Some celebrity because they were famous. So, like, she, like, revolutionized this role and, like, won all these awards and then someone stepped in and then she was doing another play when she was doing this press tour, and she said, the only reason I got this play is because I just did White Lotus. And so it was like an unfortunate thing where it's like, again, of all the beautiful things capitalism brings, it's also this thing where it's like some of the best actors of all time, you don't know, because they don't have enough followers on Instagram.
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That's right.
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You know, like, anyway, sorry.
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Yeah, no, that is. That is the truth.
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And that.
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That's what I thought about that pretty early on was like, I actually don't. I don't. I don't. I don't want that at all. That's why I, like, That's why I like podcasting a lot, to be honest, because it's like. It's like micro fame. It's like you can be famous with these thousand people and then you can walk through an airport and nobody for now. You know what I mean? Like, but even like the top, like.
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Like Rogue, with the exception Nobody knows.
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Who that guy, with the exception of Joe Rogan.
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Like, Theo Vaughn. Like. Like, nobody's.
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Yeah, with the exception of, like, you know, the top.
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Oh, like Tom Segura.
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Let's say top 10. But, like, Tom Segura probably, like, wouldn't get recognized a ton.
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Really? You think so?
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Like, probably not. I would say probably not a ton. Like, I. I would bet that, like, my house. My parents wouldn't know who that is. My parents wouldn't know who Lewis House is. You know, like, there's really a huge segment.
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They're not big sports fans.
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My. My dad. My dad actually probably would know who those houses. But that's sort of. My point, though, is, like, you can live in these, like, siloed versions of the Internet where somebody has 2 million followers, but nobody knows who they are outside of that. And they might still have some people that recognize them from time to time, but it's almost like. Like, oh, that was cool. You know, Like, I went out to the casino on my mom's birthday. My mom loves playing blackjack, so on her birthday, we went out to Durango Casino, which is my favorite casino in Vegas, and we played blackjack.
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Oh, okay.
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And we got up to play some craps because I was losing at the blackjack tables, and I was like, let's. Let's go. I'm gonna play some craps. So she ended up joining me, and we're playing craps, and some dude stands, like, a couple of spots away from me. I noticed he kind of kept, like, looking over, and I was just like, what's up, man? You know? And he goes. He goes, excuse me.
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Are you.
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Are you Travis Chappelle? And I've had moments like this happen where it's usually so I get confused with somebody else or something like that, but in this particular scenario, I, like, initially. I initially dismissed it as, like, no, no, no, you know, type of thing. But then I had to do a double take because I was like, no, he said both names. Like, he said both my first and my last name. It wasn't just one or the other, you know? And so I was like. He's like, you have a. You have a podcast, right? I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, that. That's me. And it was. And it was really cool because my mom happened to be there, and she was, you know, had a cool, super. Yeah, exactly. Super proud mom moment.
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Yeah.
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But it was also cool for me because sometimes you're sitting here, we're recording in studio, it's me and you talking to each Other, we have cameras and audio equipment and that's about it. It's not, we're not doing live event tours, you know what I mean? We're going all over the country and seeing the show. But it was so like that though, when it, when it does happen in public, it's almost like, oh, that's cool. You know, somebody actually like recognize me because they follow my stuff. You know, that's, that's a pretty cool thing. But it's never like an inconvenience to just like go out, get a coffee and you can't even like be a normal person. Like, I, I don't have any, any envy at all for, for those types of people. I would way rather just have a bunch of money and have a small group of people, like a meaningful group of people that, that know me because I think that also, I think that also for me anyway, goes into the purpose and fulfillment side, which is that if, if there are a certain amount of people that know me, it means that I've probably added a good amount of value to their lives, which I think is a really cool thing. And then, you know, that allows you to be able to build a business and a career off of that, off of the audience of people that you're adding value to. I think that's really cool. But yeah, rich and like being super famous to me sounds like a, sounds like a nightmare.
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Okay, I'm going to group in another quote with this one and then I'll tell you who it is. The over educated are worse off than the undereducated.
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So it's the same, same person. Okay, yeah, so say it again. The over.
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The over educated are worse off than the undereducated.
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Agree it in terms of happiness and gratitude, things like that. I would say I, I would mostly agree with that. I, I do find, like, since I'm Making Money podcast, I, I do think that intellectual people have a more difficult path to sometimes success or happiness because they over into over intellectualize everything. So it, it becomes difficult for them to take any path because they've trained themselves to be way too skeptical about too many things where it's just like they label these 16 industries as a scam, you know, because they uncovered this one thing in this like, journalistic approach to figuring out if this thing was real or not. And turns out this person, you know, like, it just, you get too far down that rabbit hole, you end up shooting yourself in the foot to see if you can walk. And I would say that as a, for the people that I've had on my show anyway, which is probably close to a thousand at this point. I would say the majority of them are not. That's why, like, that's why I hesitated at the beginning of this, because under educated is. Obviously, education solves a lot of the world's problems, and being educated is a really good thing. I'm not advocating at all for dropping out of junior highs. You know what I mean? Like, being educated is a good thing. So it's hard to say undereducated, but I would say undereducated compared to what you would think this broad swath of successful people would be. You know what I'm saying? So, like, if I told you I interviewed a thousand people, all of whom are successful, probably most people would think that they have Master's degrees or PhDs or their doctors or professors or whatever. But the majority. I would say the majority of the people that I've interviewed, if they do have a bachelor's degree, it was in something that had no, you know, effect on how they actually ended up finding success. And. And I would say a smaller portion of them actually have masters and PhDs and things like that. So I. I tend to agree with that, just because the contrarian position of, you know, being against the establishment is sort of the one that I tend to take in life. So I would. I would. I would tend to. To say that. That. That would be. That would be the truth. But the. The verbiage that I'm struggling with, though, is over. Like, under educated is. I don't know if I like. I don't know if I like that. You know.
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You know, those are both naval quotes as well.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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What was the. The. What was the first one? Oh, oh, the rich and the. The.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Rich and not famous. Yeah.
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All right. I got. I'm gonna end on a quote. It's a banger. It's one of the most important quotes probably of the last thousand years of human history. Okay. And I know it's one of your personal favorites. I think you actually have it printed in your house.
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What is it?
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Okay, I'm not gonna tell you. It is. A penny saved is a penny earned. You like that one?
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Yeah. I love this.
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That's Ben Franklin, the guy from the office.
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Benny Franklin, the guy from the office. Yeah. I mean, like, it's technically true. Like, you save a penny, you earn it. Like, you get a penny, but it's basically teaching you the value of saving. But it also is, like, it's still just a penny. It's like that. That's the whole point of this show is. Is to be almost counter to that point, which is to say that, like.
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Whole show was to fight Benjamin Franklin.
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Because I hate Benjamin Franklin.
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Put him up, Frank, buddy. Ben. Frank. You could call him Ben or Frank.
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To be fair, when he said that a penny was worth a lot more than it is now. Sure, but.
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But the principle is the same. $100 saved is still. But it's still 100 bucks.
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Yeah. It's not going to change your life. And that. That's the whole. That's the whole purpose of this show is to highlight the importance of earning more money rather than constantly thinking about the, like, the effort, bro, that people go into to save money sometimes is ludicrous to me because if you put half of that same effort into doing something that would generate income, you would make more money doing the thing that you're generating income with than you would in saving the amount of money that you're going to save by, you know, cutting coupons. Like, it just blows my mind, man. Like, people driving an additional 12 minutes out of the way to go to this gas station because it's $0.03 per gallon cheaper over here and they want to get a good deal. It's like you're. The gymnastics that you're doing mentally to try to save this $3.42. It just does not make sense to me. Like, spend that free time figuring out a way to make it make extra money, and then you don't have to worry about where you fill up any. Like, I've not thought about gas prices, and I understand that's a luxury, but I've worked hard to put myself in a position to not have to think about that because it makes more sense for me to spend my free time thinking about making more money than it does for me to spend my free time worried about which gas station close to me has the cheapest price so that I can save the $4. And on filling up my tank, it's just like, it's a. It's a waste of mental energy to me.
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That's all.
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You say that's all.
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That's all. Go ahead and close this out.
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Well, that's it for today's episode. Remember, money only solves your money problems, but it's easy to solve the rest of your problems. Money in the bank. So let's solve that one first here on the Travis Makes Money podcast. Thanks for tuning in. Catch. Next time. Peace.