CO-HOST | Make Money by Building a Loyal Membership Community

Summary

Travis Makes Money Podcast Summary

Episode: CO-HOST | Make Money by Building a Loyal Membership Community

Host: Travis Chappell
Producer/Co-Host: Eric
Guest Appearance: Jackie (brief appearance)
Air Date: July 9, 2026

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Overview

In this lively and humorous episode, Travis, Eric, and eventually Jackie dig deep into the burgeoning business of online membership communities. They compare creator earnings between platforms like OnlyFans and Patreon, muse over the psychology behind user spending, and explore the strategies, pitfalls, and future trends of making money online via loyal fanbases. The conversation also veers into user behavior, platform competition, and the lessons creators can apply to sustainably grow lucrative communities of their own.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The OnlyFans Economy – Surprising Statistics

• Eric quizzes Travis on which U.S. city led in per capita OnlyFans spending in 2025. After much banter and failed guesses, the answer is Atlanta.
• Atlanta’s Spending Stats:
  • Residents spent $26.2 million on OnlyFans in 2025 (04:07).
  • That averages to $52.55 per resident per year (05:21).
  • Nationally, $2.64 billion was spent in the U.S. on OnlyFans in 2025, with Atlanta ranking #1 per capita and #14 in total spend (06:04).

2. Comparing Platforms: Patreon vs. OnlyFans

• Travis asks: "What is the total spend on Patreon compared to OnlyFans?" (06:51)
• Eric reports:
  • Patreon’s average patron spend is $12/month. Atlanta’s average OnlyFans spend is ~$52.55 per person (07:04).
  • Patreon brings in about $126 million a year in company revenue, but its podcast category alone generated $629 million in 2025 (10:05, 10:25, 18:58).
  • Quote, Eric (07:11): "Atlanta's per person OnlyFans spending is about 4.4 times a typical Patreon patron's monthly spend."
• The platforms' business models diverge—Patreon was originally designed to support creators of all sorts, but OnlyFans’ low-censorship policy tipped the platform toward adult content (11:11).

3. Creator Earnings: Distribution & User Behavior

• The Power User Phenomenon: Travis remarks that a small percentage of users (top 2-5%) likely account for a disproportionate share of platform revenues, sometimes to their own detriment (12:19).
• Quote, Travis (12:18): "The majority of people who are spending money on OnlyFans are not doing it to the degree where it's going to bankrupt them... but there are some users... dropping like egregious volumes of cash and absolutely cannot afford to be doing that."
• Story of the "Superfan": Eric recalls a viral story about someone spending $35,000 for a top creator—emphasizing the emotional (and sometimes unhealthy) bond between creators and their audience (13:29).

4. The Membership Platform Landscape

• Multiple choices: Travis and Eric compare Patreon, YouTube Memberships, Substack, Apple Podcasts, and platforms like Circle (21:01).
  • YouTube has higher frictionless sign-ups but takes a 25% cut (18:41)—Patreon typically takes 10%.
  • Quote, Travis (22:07): "At first it's not as good, but until it gets over $99 in fees, then it's like, well, why wouldn't I have my own platform?"
• Network Effects: Travis defends joining networks despite the risks, noting they often provide a valuable springboard for creators (15:06).
• Brand Synonymity: Patreon has become synonymous with paid memberships (a "verb"), making it an easier sell versus unfamiliar platforms (20:30, 22:31).

5. Content Censorship and Platform Reliability

• Eric (16:44): "Actually, Patreon's great... you can do posts where people can buy a la carte, so they don't have to subscribe monthly."
• Censorship story: After a commentary video was banned on YouTube—even though the original content remained live—Eric used Patreon to provide access for his audience (17:03–18:19).

6. Actionable Creator Insights

• Diversification is key—Eric describes juggling exclusive content across multiple platforms but admits it was overwhelming; he's now streamlined to just YouTube Memberships and Patreon (21:08).
• Transparent sharing of platform take rates, ease of onboarding, and user habits can help creators make more informed decisions (21:45–22:07).
• Quote, Eric (20:17): "Patreon Chief Operating officer Paige Fitzgerald told Variety that 15% of Spotify users who visit a creator's Patreon page end up buying paid memberships. Dude, I gotta do more on my Patreon."

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Memorable Quotes & Notable Moments

• "The majority of people who are spending money on OnlyFans are not... bankrupting themselves. But there are some users... probably dropping like egregious volumes of cash... Because they genuinely think they have a real relationship with this person when it's probably just an AI bot or an employee." — Travis (12:12–12:49)
• "$52.55 per person? 50 bucks? Oh, like five? How about no, 50 is crazy. You do math like a politician." — Eric (05:21–05:31)
• "My video got completely blocked [on YouTube]. Wasn't allowed to be monetized, can't be seen... Patreon lets me have it there. So it came in clutch." — Eric (17:03–18:19)
• "That's my point. Is like, if you just started a membership site, like, on [Circle], it's flat. If you have a hundred thousand members or ten... until it gets over $99 in fees, then, why wouldn't I have my own platform?" — Travis (22:03–22:15)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:21 – Opening banter: OnlyFans spending jokes
• 03:17–06:51 – U.S. OnlyFans spending stats & Atlanta's lead
• 06:51–08:00 – Comparing OnlyFans and Patreon spending
• 10:05–11:09 – Patreon revenue numbers and business breakdown
• 12:02–13:39 – User psychology and “superfan” phenomena
• 15:06–16:12 – Platforms, networks, and creator leverage
• 16:44–18:19 – Patreon vs YouTube: a creator's censorship workaround
• 18:58–20:17 – Podcast monetization trends on Patreon
• 21:01–22:32 – Platform friction, user acquisition, flat fee models
• 23:17 – Wrap-up and actionable takeaway: focus on money as a lever for freedom

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Takeaways for Aspiring Creators and Community Builders

• High-value core audience: Most membership revenue comes from a small “power user” base; cultivate real value for your most engaged supporters.
• Platform selection matters: Consider ease of payment, audience familiarity, censorship risks, and fee structure as primary variables in picking a platform.
• Diversification is a double-edged sword: Spreading content across many platforms can reach more people but may dilute efforts and overwhelm creators.
• Community matters more than features: Cultivating loyalty and resonance is ultimately more profitable than chasing every new platform or tool.

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Endnote:
"Money only solves your money problems, but it's easier to solve the rest of your problems with money in the bank. So let's start there." – Travis (23:17)

Transcript

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[Travis]

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to the Travis Makes Money podcast where it's our mission to help you make more money. My producer Eric is in studio today. What's up?

[Eric]

I have a question that your wife asked me to ask you on the show. Perfect. How much did you spend in OnlyFans last year?

[Travis]

I can confidently say, don't tell me. A grand total of $0.00 $0.00.

[Eric]

Hmm.

[Travis]

Do you believe me?

[Eric]

He's clean, Jackie. He's clean. Don't worry about it. Okay? She wanted me to ask. She needed you to tell me the truth. Yeah, well, I do want to ask you because I saw one of my favorite news outlets is Worldstar and they, they keep up with this stuff, but they said, they said there's a state or. No, I'm sorry, a city. You know, I gotta tell you this story really quick. Okay, now that we're about to get into the topic, when I was in I'm five years younger, my Brother was a freshman in college. So I would be in, what, seventh grade?

[Travis]

Eighth.

[Eric]

Eighth grade, I think. Too old for what I'm about to tell you. So I went to visit him at college, and I met his roommate, and his roommate said, I'm from Maine. And I said, oh. Was it, like, difficult adjusting to the United States when you moved? Because I thought Maine was outside the country. That was like, Europe. It is called.

[Travis]

That is far too old.

[Eric]

But isn't that. Isn't it New England?

[Travis]

New England is the. Yeah, the area.

[Eric]

Wait, is mean. This means a state, and then New England's the region. Is that a region of states?

[Travis]

Yeah, like the Northeast.

[Eric]

I'm too old to be asking these questions, but. But. Well, that's why I thought it was European, probably. I was like, oh, it's New England.

[Travis]

New England.

[Eric]

It's like Mexico. Adios. Adios. Yeah, senor.

[Travis]

But New Mexico's still in the states.

[Eric]

All right, what. What city in the United States do you think led in per capita spending on OnlyFans in 2025? City.

[Travis]

Per capita.

[Eric]

Per capita, brother.

[Travis]

Is it somewhere in Utah?

[Eric]

It's a city. Nope.

[Travis]

Okay. Okay. All right. Utah. I feel like I'm going more conservative. Texas. Somewhere in Texas.

[Eric]

No.

[Travis]

Somewhere in the whole show's gonna be New York.

[Eric]

No.

[Travis]

California.

[Eric]

No.

[Travis]

Really?

[Eric]

You're smart thinking in Hudson?

[Travis]

Florida.

[Eric]

No. I would have thought, like, Miami maybe, but. Okay.

[Travis]

No, that's interesting. That definitely crosses off most of my guesses.

[Eric]

You're missing one. Big city. Big city.

[Travis]

Illinois. Chicago.

[Eric]

No. This is good stuff. Riveting. Atlanta.

[Travis]

Atlanta.

[Eric]

Atlanta. Atlanta did not lead the US in total onlyfans dollars, but it did lead in per capita spending in 2025.

[Travis]

Wow.

[Eric]

The city's residents spent about. How much do you think the city of Atlanta. How. How much do you think the city of Atlanta spent on OnlyFans? I don't. I can't.

[Travis]

Tens of millions.

[Eric]

I can't even understand. Like, I feel like I still struggle to understand numbers, which makes me a great producer on this show, but I feel like I can't wrap my brain around how this is possible.

[Travis]

Well, how many people are in Atlanta?

[Eric]

You're asking hard questions. There's no way to know. Atlanta, population, 535,000 residents.

[Travis]

I'm going to go.

[Eric]

That's all that's In Atlanta is 535,000.

[Travis]

I was going to say, I would assume that this is, like, Atlanta metropolitan area, which is probably greater than the actual city of Atlanta.

[Eric]

Oh. The sprawling Atlanta metropolitan area is much larger, with over 6.4 million people. That sounds more, right?

[Travis]

Yeah. I'm going to go like 35 million. 40 million.

[Eric]

No, $26.2 million total. It's just shocking to me.

[Travis]

That's so crazy. Especially compared to the population size.

[Eric]

Well, this. This works out to 525,000. $476 per 10,000 people.

[Travis]

Wow.

[Eric]

Wait, what is. So what is that per person?

[Travis]

Ask it. Somewhere around five bucks.

[Eric]

Is it. I don't know how much per person is somewhere around five. $52.55 per person.

[Travis]

50 bucks?

[Eric]

Oh, like five? How about no, 50 is crazy. You do math like a politician.

[Travis]

I was just missing a zero.

[Eric]

We'll find the money somewhere. I don't know which politician that was.

[Travis]

We'll find the money somewhere.

[Eric]

Pelosi. Hey, I'm Nancy Pelosi.

[Travis]

I'm inside our trading politician from 1926.

[Eric]

That's when she started a little. That's going to get me a daily wire job offer right there. Just kidding. They're going to fire everybody anyway. 5.

[Travis]

Anyway, they're not a hiring spree.

[Eric]

$525,476 per 10,000 people.

[Travis]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Eric]

That is nuts. But to give you some context, across the U.S. onlyFans users spent about 2.63 billion to 2.64 billion in 2025. That works out to roughly 7.9 million per day, about $237 million per month, and around $77,334 per 10,000 residents on or nationwide. In plain English, the U.S. is by far the biggest market. But Atlanta stands out because its spending intensity is unusually high relative to its population. Atlanta's $26.2 million total ranked it 14th overall among cities by total spending, even though it was number one per capita. The year over year change was about 1.94% to nearly 2% growth from 2024.

[Jackie]

What.

[Travis]

What is the total spend on patreon compared to OnlyFans?

[Eric]

Let's see.

[Travis]

I'm curious to see what type of discrepancy is there?

[Eric]

Like you like just supporting creators overall.

[Travis]

Yeah. Which was the original intention behind OnlyFans.

[Eric]

All right, so the Patreon. A Patreon average patron spend is about $12 per month on subscriptions. So that's just in general.

[Travis]

But isn't the total annual spend like the 2.4 billion?

[Eric]

Oh, I can look. But yeah. The Patreon average patron spend is roughly $12 per month on subscriptions. The average OnlyFans Atlanta user is $52, 55 cents per person. So they're Atlanta's per person only. Fans spending is about 4.4.4 times a typical Patreon patron's monthly spend. How much? So how much does Patreon bring? Patreon bring on Patreon bring in annually. Welcome to the show where I look up everything live. Click clack.

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[Eric]

Clickety clack. Patreon appears to bring in about $126 million a year in company revenue.

[Travis]

Crazy difference.

[Eric]

There's also a separate figure from Patreon's business, podcast business. Interesting.

[Travis]

They separated.

[Eric]

I feel like I want to look at this before I say anything.

[Travis]

Maybe because you can host a podcast on Patreon.

[Eric]

Maybe because it says Patreon's podcast business brings in 629 million in podcast related revenue in 2025. Should do an episode on that. Patreon appears to bring in about $126 million a year in company revenue.

[Travis]

Maybe that's their take of it. Yeah.

[Eric]

Their annual company revenue is 126 million. Podcasts alone drove 629 million in the platform. Interesting.

[Travis]

I'm curious what that discrepancy is, but.

[Eric]

Yeah, that's a big. Either way, that's a big gap between. That's double.

[Travis]

Yeah. If you go on the top line. Yeah, that's.

[Eric]

Or no, no way more than double because there's billions. Yeah.

[Travis]

Triple. No, no, that's quadruple. 2.4 billion and 600 million.

[Eric]

That's 2.6 billion versus what?

[Travis]

2.4 billion on OnlyFans.

[Eric]

Like I said, I'm not a numbers fella.

[Travis]

That's a 4X. But I was curious what that looked like because that was what OnlyFans was built for, essentially. It was like a more custom use of Patreon.

[Eric]

You know what I mean?

[Travis]

It was just that. Because it got put in the structure that it did, it started attracting, you know, adult.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Travis]

Content. And which is now obviously it's kind

[Eric]

of like when you. Well, when you create a platform where it's like no censorship or little censorship, that's what you're gonna get. It's the same as when you start a social media platform. It's like less restriction. You're gonna get some like, weird people that are like, you know, they're like, finally. Yeah. You're gonna get like the weird, like, I can say slurs on here, you know, and then if you do that, you're gonna end up. Whatever category you do, you're gonna end up leaning one of those directions. But. Yeah. And what do you think about that? I think people should spend that much money on. What's your advice?

[Travis]

Well, the crazy thing, the. The crazy thing to me is that there's probably a lot of like power users of only fans that are driving that well that are legitimately that. Because what was that my gut is that the majority of people who are spending money on only fans are not doing it to the degree where it's going to bankrupt them.

[Eric]

What was that?

[Travis]

They're spending like 200 bucks a year or something like that.

[Eric]

What was that guy that was the number one giver on.

[Travis]

But that's what I was going to say is that there are some users, probably their top 5% of users or 2% of users, maybe even less than that, that are probably dropping like egregious volumes of cash on OnlyFans and absolutely cannot afford to be doing that because they genuinely think that they have a real relationship with this person when it's probably just an AI bot or an employee that's chatting with them.

[Eric]

Remember that guy? I was saying you. I don't remember if you sent to me or if I sent to you, but it was the guy who was like the top spender for this girl's OnlyFans.

[Travis]

Yeah, I met her or something.

[Eric]

Yeah. And he was very weird.

[Travis]

No kidding.

[Eric]

When you're spending the equivalent of buying a house on OnlyFans, you're probably not a normal dude.

[Travis]

Yeah, yeah, that's. I can't find it is that it's typically not the rich and affluent people who are dropping $25,000 in OnlyFans in a single year. You know what I mean? It's the.

[Eric]

Oh, that's serious.

[Travis]

It's the lonely guy who doesn't know.

[Eric]

Oh, this is a real big.

[Travis]

Tony.

[Eric]

I am your number one of subscriber.

[Podcast Advertiser]

And how much have you spent?

[Eric]

35k. $35,000.

[Travis]

Oh, it's nice to finally meet you.

[Podcast Advertiser]

Is it nice?

[Jackie]

She's like $35,000 to meet you. She's disgusted.

[Eric]

Oh, you have soft hands. Finally, I got to touch him.

[Jackie]

Oh, why would you meet your. It's bad enough. The whole thing is bad enough, but at least the girls, like, can pretend that they don't know the type of men that are actually watching them. This one does. At least she's just facing it head on someone's ass, by the way. Hope not.

[Travis]

She's understandably scared.

[Podcast Announcer]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Jackie]

Exactly what I would imagine.

[Eric]

Wait a minute.

[Jackie]

Cyber look like? Lol.

[Eric]

Wait, the comment section is this. Wait a minute.

[Travis]

Wasn't that.

[Eric]

That's Brett Cooper's show, Rabbit Hole.

[Travis]

Oh, yeah. Well, I think.

[Eric]

Well, Brett Cooper left Daily Wire, but

[Travis]

I know they show to somebody else the new.

[Eric]

It worked better when it looked like a girl. Ben Shapiro. She literally looked like the comment section Worked a lot better when it was. That's interesting. That's why I would never want to be in a network, because look, this, this channel has 3.6 million subs, and she built that and then she had to leave. And it's like, oh, now it's true that now it's Regan Conrad.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Eric]

But also, they would pick someone named Reagan. If you're applying for a job at the Daily Wire. And it's. My name's Reagan.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Yeah. They're like, oh, wow, that's a good legacy. Yeah, that's how Ben talks.

[Travis]

No, they probably. That's probably a pseudonym.

[Eric]

Ah, it's Reagan. Oh, oh. This one says Reagan.

[Travis]

Her name's probably Karen. And they're like, well, we're probably going to have to rebrand you to Reagan.

[Eric]

Yeah, But.

[Travis]

But I'll push back on that a little bit, though, because the network piece is arguably what also helped her blow up. Obviously, her content was good and well for that audience, and she did a good job appealing to.

[Eric]

How much did you spend on Brett Cooper's Patreon last year? Let's get down to brass tacks here.

[Travis]

I actually randomly saw her at a.

[Eric]

Sorry, how much did you spend on Daily Wire plus in the last year?

[Travis]

Again?

[Podcast Announcer]

$0.

[Eric]

Dude. I met someone. I met someone. Or actually trying to think if they'll see this. I know someone. And they casually were like, oh, it's like how when I check out Daily Wire plus, they have like this. And I was like, did I just meet someone that pays for Daily Wire Plus? That is insane.

[Travis]

A lot of people do.

[Eric]

That is insane.

[Travis]

A lot of people do.

[Eric]

That is insane.

[Travis]

Again, $0 for me. But I also spent $0 on Patreon as well. And I appreciate your support platforms. I didn't.

[Eric]

I know.

[Travis]

Give it. Thanks.

[Eric]

Thank you.

[Travis]

Yeah, I mean, like I said, there's not much to say about that because I think that the majority of people who are spending money on this platform

[Eric]

aren't spending that much, are not breaking

[Travis]

the bank to do.

[Eric]

They're probably going the Patreon route where it's like 20 bucks or whatever a

[Travis]

month to subscribe to some minimum tier or something. But. But from what I understand, though, there's like a crazy amount of upsells in that. In that platform, too.

[Eric]

So, like. Well, so I think Patreon's kind of pushed in that direction, too.

[Travis]

Oh, really?

[Eric]

Where it's like, unlock a post.

[Travis]

Ok.

[Eric]

Which to me is like, annoying. It's like, I'm gonna. I'm subscribed to your Patreon. But also I have to pay.

[Travis]

Yeah, it feels actually.

[Eric]

No, no, I'm wrong and I'm on Patreon, so I should probably know this, but Patreon, I actually like this.

[Travis]

Okay.

[Eric]

180 on what I just said.

[Travis]

Actually, nevermind.

[Eric]

Actually, Patreon's great. No, what I like now is so you have people subscribing, but you can also do posts. I haven't really messed with it, but like you can do where people can buy like an a la carte post so they don't have to subscribe to you monthly. But like, if they want this video unfiltered or whatever.

[Travis]

Sure.

[Eric]

Which actually Patreon came in clutch because I don't know if you knew this. I had a video that got completely banned on YouTube and I think it'd be more interesting.

[Travis]

That's fine. What was that? Oh my God, dude.

[Eric]

I know, it's crazy. So no, I did a video so. Because it was one of the things, like I always go like, oh, you know, people talk about getting banned on YouTube and it's like, yeah, just don't say that. You know. But the most frustrating thing ever is I did a video with. I won't say it. So we don't get banned anywhere else. I did a video where I showed something that a Guy said on YouTube where he basically admitted to doing something really bad. I shared a commentary video where I said, this guy said this thing. That's very bad and we should talk about it, blah, blah, blah. Did my whole thing flagged.

[Travis]

What?

[Jackie]

The video.

[Eric]

The video got banned on YouTube and I appealed. My appeal got denied because of what that guy said. The video that I was commenting on is still up to this day on YouTube and they haven't taken it down. And he is uncritically saying, I did this.

[Travis]

He's actually taking that position.

[Eric]

Yeah. And he's the one saying it. And so my video got completely blocked. Wasn't allowed to be monetized, can't be seen. I can't even see it in the back end on YouTube. Wow. And so Patreon lets me have it there. Oh, they're watching this video and they

[Travis]

go, we gotta take that down.

[Eric]

Video. Who said that? Anyway, so I. It did come in clutch there, but yeah, yeah, that. That's crazy. 629 million in podcast related revenue on Patreon. I feel like we should dive into that sometime.

[Podcast Announcer]

Yeah.

[Travis]

I'm curious what the discrepancy is between the 150 and 650 because they take 10%.

[Eric]

No, I think it's 10%. Yeah. YouTube takes 25, I think.

[Travis]

Wow.

[Eric]

YouTube memberships. It's like 25% if I remember right.

[Travis]

I think that's what Caleb Hammer's financial audit membership thing is on. It's through YouTube, I think so. Interesting. Which is. Would be crazy. 25%'s a chunk of change, dude.

[Eric]

Yeah, they. Yeah. It says. Years after becoming a desirable revenue stream for creators, podcasts are continuing to flourish on Patreon. The monetization platform has announced that revenue generated by its podcast library reached $629 million in 2025. That sum represents a year over year increase of 33%.

[Travis]

Wow.

[Eric]

I've got to do more on Patreon.

[Travis]

Yeah, I think that's.

[Podcast Advertiser]

I gotta go.

[Eric]

I gotta go. Oh, look at this.

[Travis]

That's the core takeaway.

[Eric]

Look at this. Corporate media is also challenging Patreon. Tech giants like OpenAI are buying out top podcasts and deep pocketed venture capital firms are getting it. Oh, getting in. I thought I said getting it on. I was like, wow, it's crazy what's going on in the capital. Firms are getting in on the spinning spree as well. George Soros recently announced that it's investing in Midas Touch, a left leaning podcast network with a big presence on YouTube. Give me some of that Soros money. That's what I was telling you anyway. Interesting.

[Travis]

Yeah. Well, it looks like we need to do more stuff on Patreon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's the takeaway.

[Eric]

I was doing for a while. I was doing a. I was doing a exclusive episode every week and I would smoke a cigar and call it Holy smokes.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

And then you. And then later, as always, you're like, I have a great idea. It was just mine. Like, we should call it that.

[Travis]

But it wasn't yours.

[Eric]

Yeah, it was the same. It was the exact same.

[Travis]

Yeah, I said we should. A golf podcast.

[Eric]

Wow, look at this. Patreon Chief Operating officer Paige Fitzgerald told Variety that 15% of Spotify users who visit a creator's Patreon page end up buying paid memberships. Dude, I gotta, I gotta do more on my Patreon. What am I doing?

[Travis]

Yeah, here's the question. Do you feel like it has to be on Patreon? Like I feel like they've sort of turned it into a verb. You know what I'm saying? Like, like. Or. Or its own category.

[Eric]

Like you're saying instead of like buy me a coffee or whatever.

[Travis]

Or whatever. What ClickFunnels did with funnels, like, it's just a landing page on a website. People literally started going, like, I gotta build my click funnel. It's like, it's not a.

[Eric]

It's.

[Travis]

It's just. It's a funnel. There's just that clickfunnels made it popular. So you.

[Eric]

That's the hard thing is like, I feel like it's tricky to get people to sign up if they're not already on it.

[Travis]

That's my point. Is like. Is like, if you started just a. Like a membership site, like, on school or For a while or whatever.

[Eric]

For a while, I had my substack premium. I had my YouTube. I had like an Apple podcast. Way, like, I. Basically anywhere someone could. I did. And then I felt like it was. Every time I posted exclusive content, it was like I had to go to five different places. And it's frustrating. So now I just have YouTube memberships and Patreon.

[Travis]

Okay.

[Eric]

I feel like YouTube memberships is the easiest because there's. You literally can hold your phone on Apple, pay and subscribe. And so people just tend to join naturally. Patreon. I feel like I struggle.

[Travis]

That's fair, dude.

[Eric]

I struggle to bring people in so much, though.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

But also it's on YouTube. Yeah.

[Travis]

So, like, kind of like the additional user base that you're going to gain from lack of friction and signing up worth the 25% that you're going to get.

[Eric]

Yeah, it's probably worth it. It's worth it to have that. And Patreon. Yeah. Like, and then Patreon's kind of the

[Travis]

one to be like, that's my point about, like, if you just started a circle membership community, like, you pay like 99 bucks a month.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Travis]

And it's flat if you have a hundred thousand members or ten.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Travis]

You know what I mean? It's like, at first it's not as good, but until it gets over $99 in fees, then it's like, well, why wouldn't I have my own platform?

[Eric]

Listen, I'm not. But also anything else.

[Travis]

But that's my point. That's my point, though, is like, is it like I've gone back and forth on that? Like, is it worth just being like. I mean, it's 10%, but it's Patreon and Patreon, like I said, they've kind of turned it into a thing where it's subscribe to my page and you can add like, versus, like, subscribe to my circle.

[Eric]

I do think that helps.

[Travis]

Like, what's that?

[Eric]

That it's not a weird website that people aren't familiar with, but I've thought about going exclusive to YouTube just because there's no friction.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

And I'm already uploading there. I've thought about canceling my Patreon and just going straight to YouTube.

[Travis]

But do you have more on Patreon or YouTube?

[Eric]

YouTube.

[Travis]

Really?

[Eric]

Or no, Probably. Page. I'm. There's no way to know. I think. I think I've gained more quickly on YouTube, but I think overall I have more on Patreon. But.

[Travis]

But it's the same offering.

[Eric]

4. It's 4.99 on YouTube and it's like 5 or $5 on Patreon, so.

[Travis]

And same. And they get the same stuff.

[Eric]

Yeah, just early videos and stuff. But again, I should do more interesting. But I'm busy doing this, so. Thanks. Close it out so I can go do Patreon content.

[Travis]

Well, that's it for this episode of the show. Remember, money only solves your money problems, but it's easier to solve the rest of your problems with money in the bank. So let's start there here on the Travis Makes Money podcast. Thanks for tuning in. Catch you guys next time. Peace.