CO-HOST | Make Money by Building Community in an AI-Driven World

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Travis Makes Money with Travis Chappell

Episode: "CO-HOST | Make Money by Building Community in an AI-Driven World"

Date: June 12, 2026
Host: Travis Chappell
Co-Host/Producer: Eric

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Episode Overview

This episode explores the impact of artificial intelligence (AI) on podcasting, content creation, and community-building in the digital age. Travis and his producer Eric discuss Spotify's recent unveiling of AI-generated "personal podcasts," the potential consequences for creators, and why building a strong community is more vital than ever for success. The tone is lively, candid, humorous, and occasionally irreverent as the hosts riff on everything from beer preferences to Arnold Schwarzenegger impressions before digging into how creators can adapt to the fast-changing AI landscape.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. AI Comes for Podcasting: Spotify’s “Personal Podcasts”

• Spotify’s Move ([02:30]-[06:00])
  • Eric vents about Spotify's investor meeting and its new AI tool allowing users to prompt and generate personalized podcasts just for themselves.
  • The hosts debate whether this signals the "death of personality" in podcasts or just another inevitable step in tech.
  • Eric: “Finally, an option for those who think people have too much personality.” ([04:44])
  • Travis points out the longstanding appeal of podcasts: "The act of listening to a podcast is sort of the act of having a friendship with somebody you've never met because you like the things they talk about or stand for.” ([05:19])
• Key Concern:
  • AI-generated content may lack the human connection and authenticity that listeners value in their favorite shows.

2. Is There Any Real Threat to Creators?

• Who Should Worry?
  • Travis and Eric analyze who might be most affected. They agree that top creators with strong communities probably have nothing to worry about, but those in the "bottom 50%" who are just checking boxes might be at risk ([17:18]).
  • Travis: “If you’re not a good podcaster, but you want to put out podcasts…it’s probably good news for you. You can just feed it some blog posts…and check that box.” ([17:24])
• Clarifying the Tool ([18:10])
  • Eric clarifies: these AI-generated podcasts are for listeners—not podcasters—to make their own private, automated shows.

3. Industry Ramifications

• Potential Market Impact
  • The hosts discuss how AI-generated podcasts could impact different types of creators:
    • News/sports shows may be more vulnerable to automated content;
    • True crime and especially comedy, less so: "Luckily they're not even close on that (comedy)…these are not good. But it’s only a matter of time.” ([19:44])
• What’s the Antidote?
  • Travis emphasizes the value of building community:
    “The antidote is what the best podcast growth advice already is, which is just focus on community over everything else…that’s not going to happen with AI.” ([19:51])

4. Broader Creative and Cultural Takeaways

• AI in Creative Work
  • Eric expresses concern about AI encroaching on the creative process:
    "The minute it touches the creative process to me, I just want to literally just take out the revolver and shoot AI in the head.” ([08:11])
  • Travis muses about tools that support creators instead, like an AI fact-checker or assistant for live shows ([12:48]).
• Human Flaws as an Asset
  • Eric references a NYT piece suggesting people are purposefully using more slang and imperfections in writing because AI is too perfect:
    "People are going to listen for that X factor…all the problems that we have.” ([21:40])
  • Both hosts agree: "I'm always encouraged by how bad AI is. It's like they can't do what I do.” ([22:18])

5. Tangents, Humor, and Pop Culture (Selected Quotes and Moments)

• Beer Banter ([00:55]-[02:24])
  • The show opens with the hosts rating beer and joking about “Black Velvet”—champagne mixed with Guinness.
• Arnold Schwarzenegger Impressions
  • Extended banter and impressions, drawing laughs and setting a relaxed, friendly tone.
• Pop Culture: Star Wars and Moana
  • Mini-segment on Star Wars box office performance and Disney’s habit of live-action remakes.
• Meta-Humor About AI Comedy
  • Eric reads a stand-up bit generated by Perplexity AI about AI ruining podcasting. Notably:

    “AI doesn’t just edit anymore, it can host. You ever listen to those AI generated podcasts? They sound almost real, but not quite. It’s like, ‘Welcome back to the show. I’m your host, a human man who definitely understands emotions.’” ([23:47])

  • Both hosts break down laughing and agree the jokes prove human creativity still can’t be automated—yet.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Human Connection vs. AI:
  • “The act of listening to a podcast is sort of the act of like, having a friendship with somebody you’ve never met…” — Travis ([05:19])
• On Community as the Solution:
  • “Focus on community over everything else…that’s not going to happen with AI.” — Travis ([19:51])
• On Embracing Human Messiness:
  • “People are going to listen for that X factor…all the problems that we have.” — Eric ([21:40])
• On Creative Anxiety:
  • “You’ve been grinding for years, booking guests, building relationships…and some old dude types ‘make a podcast about money,’ hits enter, and suddenly it’s number three in business on Spotify.” — AI-generated joke, read by Eric ([24:35])
• On the Limits of AI:
  • “I’m always encouraged by how bad AI is. It’s like they can’t do what I do.” — Eric ([22:18])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Beer banter & intros: 00:52–02:24
• Spotify’s AI podcasts announcement: 02:30–06:00
• Debate: Will AI ruin podcasts? 06:00–14:00
• Who is at risk/market impact: 17:18–19:40
• Building community as antidote: 19:51–20:26
• The appeal of human flaws: 21:40–22:23
• Dramatic reading: AI writes a comedy bit: 22:36–24:45
• Conclusion/future outlook: 24:45–25:26

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Episode Takeaways

• The heart of successful podcasting is real human connection, personality, and community—not just information.
• AI-generated content may threaten lowest-common denominator, utility-only shows, but can’t (yet) replicate the magic of authentic hosts and thriving communities.
• Creators should double down on building community, embracing authenticity, and leveraging AI as a support tool—not a replacement.
• Amid the rapid evolution of AI, there’s both anxiety and humor—when a robot can out-joke you, then it’s time to panic.
• As Travis says: “Money only solves your money problems. It’s easier to solve the rest of your problems when you got some money in the bank. So let’s start there here on the Travis Makes Money podcast.” ([25:41])

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For listeners pressed for time:
This episode offers a thoughtful, witty, and nuanced look at where AI collides with creativity—reminding creators that personality, connection, and community are your strongest defenses (and advantages) in an automation-prone world.

Transcript

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It's good to be here, Travis.

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That's good. I'm glad. How's that beer?

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It's getting.

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Do you like it?

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Being here with you. Being here with you is getting better with every sip of this beer.

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Be honest. Do you like it?

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Let me take one more sip because I just drink. Can I be honest? I just took a shot of my monster.

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Oh yeah, that's not gonna be.

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And it. It made this taste like a weird chocolate. Does this have any chocolate in it?

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No. It is a darker beer. Like I said. I don't even know what to call it. It's not a stout, it's not a porter, it's not a amber. I don't know exactly even what it is. I would guess just like a pale ale almost cause like a heavier ale. But it's not an IPA either. But yeah, it's Rogue. Dead guy.

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I would give. I would give this beer back to you.

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Really?

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I would. I would say this is like a 7 for me out of 10.

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Say like it's a fine sort of specific as a taste, but it's just rare to find it. And Rogue is now going out of business unfortunately. So that sucks.

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But for me it's. I wish it was more IPA ish.

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Yeah, well they Rogue as a brewery has a bunch of different but obviously types.

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This mops the floor with nasty Guinness. So good recommendation.

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I hate that. You.

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I hate Guinness, bro. Well, you. But you. You won't try Black Velvet with me, so maybe that's.

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You've never told me about this.

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Yes, I have. Do you know what I'm talking about?

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Yes.

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Black Velvet is Champagne and Guinness. I would try it, and you never try it with me.

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You've never had it before.

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I asked you the day I told you about it when I was here at your house, and you didn't prep one. Like, yo, let's mix it up.

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I didn't prep one. I didn't have Guinness and champagne on hand.

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Okay. You know what I do want to really talk about? That's just grinds my gears.

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What?

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Spotify.

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Spotify grinds your gears?

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Grinding my gears. Spotify had their 2026 investor meeting, and Travis, one of the things they unveiled made me upset.

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Take a beat.

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Take a drink.

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Yeah, take a drink. All right, now tell us what it is.

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Spotify. I don't even know if I had the strength to say it. Spotify has been calling itself, oh, we're the champions of podcasts. Right? Like, we're getting in the podcast space. We're going to give money to Rogan. We're going to give money to all these people. We're going to. Oh, wow. Oh, Spotify. We care about creators. Oh, Spotify. Oh, it's the best. We love creators. Now they're spitting in creators faces.

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Are they?

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Like, they've done with musicians for years and how. So Spotify unveiled that they are creating personal podcasts.

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Oh, I did see this. Did I send this to you?

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I don't think so, because I feel like I would have texted you back something snarky. A lot of times you text me. A lot of times when you text me, AI News.

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Yeah.

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I just respond, blech.

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Yeah, this was one of those Bless blechs.

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So here's what it is. So Spotify is creating personal podcasts where you can basically prompt exactly what you want in an episode. It'll generate that and it will tell you information. I don't know if this has sound, because maybe I could. No, it's just a demo reel. Music. Copyrighted music won't play that. Basically, you can say, I want a short daily brief to start my day. Consider I live in the Hudson Valley and recommend relevant local events, concerts that match my taste in the daily weather, highlight key tech headlines, so I can prepare for the day ahead. This pissed me off. So with personal podcasts, like prompted playlists, all you need to do is write a prompt, and we'll generate a short, personalized, completely private audio based on your input. Put. And I agree with this caption here. The Jack Gregson Show. He's probably. I hope he's not a bad person. I just. I'm just reading his comment, if his show. He's like the top alt right podcaster. Nick Fuentes, number one guest. I don't know, whoever this guy is, he's cooking.

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This statement from this person, this one

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statement that I'm just seeing right here is right. He said, finally, an option for those who think people have too much personality. Travis, when I saw this news, I felt a holy fury. What did you feel?

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I don't know, dude. I. To me, it's like an obvious thing. Like, of course, of course they did this, but also, what does that mean? How much is it going to be used? Are people going to listen to it like that? That's one thing that I. That I still feel like a lot of people are just going to push against because I don't know, Travis, the

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whole idea of people have AI girlfriends.

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Yeah, but. But the whole idea of listening, the act of listening to a podcast is sort of the act of like, having a friendship with somebody you've never met because you like the things that they talk about or stand for to some degree. You know what I mean?

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Have you ever seen the meme where it's like, me listening to my favorite podcast and realizing my friendship Cuck.

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Yeah, yeah. You're just sitting in the corner.

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Yeah, No, I. I was gonna say, like, I don't. I feel like people listen to shows, yes. For information, but you're listening for the host's version of the information.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Even if it's just the delivery. Like, how they say it. Like, you listen to the daily. Because you like how the guy says.

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But that's also, like, be the only thing that I could see it having any legs with would be like, it's a daily news show and you're trying to not get biased information. But even then, whatever, you're.

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Where are you getting the info from? Like, is Spotify going to tell you? Like, you know, there's uprest in the

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well, I think it'll be prompting what type of content you want. Just like.

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But isn't that worse? I feel like that's the worst part of the algorithm.

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I'm not saying that it's a good thing. I'm just saying that, like, that would be the. Like, as a listener, I feel like those things would, like, it would only be beneficial when it's just like, I'm only here for 10 minutes of information and I'm leaving to the rest of my day. I'm not here to, like, connect with the host or hear about their life at all or be invested in anything beyond just the 10 minutes of bulleted information that I want to give. But I don't know, it sucks to see it. But I also was like, it was sort of inevitable. Is like that is obvious that that was going to happen. Like, what's that one AI platform? I think it's one of Google's AIs that will create a podcast for you. Like if you, if you feed it like an article, it will turn it into like a two person podcast. Like they're talking about the thing. You've not heard that Wondercraft Notebook lm.

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Oh, there's a few of them.

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Notebook lm. So like I see stuff like that and it's something that not a lot of people know exists. So when you see something like a Spotify looking at their tools of software.

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If I look this up. NotebookLM is Google's AI notebook and research assistant that ingests your PDFs, docs, websites and YouTube videos and then answers questions about them. Summarize and even generate podcast style audio conversations with two AI characters. We gotta unplug this. We gotta stop this. What bothers me is that there's so many great applications for AI. Yeah, don't shoot me, liberals.

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Yeah, well, that. Well, that is.

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But it bothers me because I'm like, there's. Well, Spielberg just talked about AI and he's like, help me come up, help me look for locations quickly. Okay, great. But the minute it touches the creative process to me, I just want to literally just take out the revolver and shoot AI in the head.

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AI heard you just say that.

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I don't care. Come on. Can I be Skynet? I've literally watched, okay, I've literally part

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of the computer program.

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I've watched Terminator 2, Judgment Day and if John Connor can take on the robots, I can.

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Good luck.

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I could be John Connor.

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I'll be one of their followers.

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Honestly, after I get done working out all the time, I'll be like the new build that they give the robots, they're like, Arnold was played out. We need a new one. We need something buffer. It'll be you.

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That's a good joke.

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Arnold was buff in the buff in the first Terminator. What? He's naked in the beginning. And the second one too. It's in the contract. And the viewers, I want them to see.

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Wait, what is he, Russian?

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Wait, that was Arnold doing trouble.

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I want them to see me naked.

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Wait, hold on. Let me do it. Let me clock in real quick.

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Okay,

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I. What am I doing? Dracula. I'll be back. I'll be back.

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You need some work on this one.

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I need your clothes and your boots.

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You need some work.

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I'll be back.

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It's no will Sassy.

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I'll be back. I'll be back.

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Will Sasso. No, I think it was Rick Glassman talking. It was somebody on Rick Glassman's podcast. But then Rick, I showed you this clip, bro.

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See, this is what's happened. This is what. Yes, I did. I'm getting upset. No, I showed you.

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It was Will Sassen. I showed you pretending to be Arnold and then the guy.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. He thought it was actually Arnold. Yeah, yeah, I know. I showed you.

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You should watch it sometime. It's really funny.

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I'll do that after I watch the boys.

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I hate you.

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Anyway, so. Okay, anyway, so what do you think about this idea? You love it. You hate it.

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I don't like it at all.

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You've been using it every day secretly.

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This is the first actual podcast I've recorded in months now. I. Obviously, I don't like it. I also just feel like if it's a bad idea, then people are not going to listen to it. Like, the market won't accept something that is not filling a need in the market. And I don't see this as filling any needs. It'll probably just turn into people using it to help them with their podcast or something. I've always thought. And this was the AI tool that I was always considering developing. I just don't want to do software again. But I always thought it'd be cool to have sort of like a. Like a Jamie pull that up character. That would be like an AI assistant in the show. That would help prevent more just blatant misinformation where, like, at least for people who are trying to not put out misinformation, you know, obviously there's a segment.

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Unfortunately, nobody's trying to do that.

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But. But you know what I'm saying, Like, people, like a lot of people are like, I don't want to do this. I want something to fact check me. But I can't afford to have somebody on salary to like fact check everything that goes on in the conversation. So I always thought that would be interesting. That's more of an interesting play to me where it just like helps perfect the creation process versus just like, I know I should have a podcast, let me record 10 minutes of my voice and then give this new Spotify tool access to my, you know, last decade of blog posts and then it'll just create a year's worth of podcasts for me. Like that. I don't know. And I just feel like that's probably not going to work out that well. And maybe I'm wrong, but yeah, I guess we'll see what happens. As long as they keep paying large sums of money to people to buy shows.

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Yeah. But you know what I would rather them do, though? I don't even like that because I feel like, that's just like. Because Jay Shetty just signed a deal.

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Joe Rogan, supposedly worth about a hundred million dollars. Netflix and Spotify.

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I would much rather just see these companies split that money up and invest in a lot of shows.

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Yeah, I do think they should have more of, like, almost. Almost like the creator fund idea, but like something adjacent to that where it's more, you know, based on merit or based on votes or something. But like, something where they would, because it is, increase the ad dollars they pay to creators. There's their spin. And also Jay Shetty, network.

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Jay Shetty.

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I mean, he's got a massive podcast.

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Jay Shetty is one letter off, in my opinion. Anyway. Okay, well, here's some good news, though, actually, because I opened Facebook really quick.

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As you do.

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As I do. I was.

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Because I was getting Facebook guy.

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I was going to a tab. I use Facebook probably the most of any social platform. Is that true? Yes.

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Like, yes, for posting everything. Commenting, really.

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I just like Facebook. Anyway, my farmville score is high, dude. Anyway, I was going over to my tab to look up something about this, and. Anyway, we talked about Obsession recently. Obsession outgrowths Mandalorian and Grogu. On Wednesday, Star wars is in its first week. Yeah. Star wars is in its first week. Obsession is already in week two, and Obsession made 5.6 million. Mando and Grogu, 4.2.

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Holy.

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They're leading Star Wars. They're in their second week. Star wars is in week one.

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Good work, boys. Don't even want to know what the budget difference is between those two.

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I know. Yeah, that's a. Yeah. This is the lowest Star wars opening in history.

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Well, I mean, it makes sense because it's the first thing in theaters that's not a part of the Skywalker.

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And I think. And I think that's unfortunate because I think it's one of the best Star wars movies.

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For sure. Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely. I mean. Well, I guess Rogue One opened in theaters, right?

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Yeah, I have a bad experience.

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I don't wanna talk about opened in theaters.

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Solos, I believe.

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Yeah, it wasn't great.

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Solo sucked. Rogue One.

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I liked Rogue One.

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Rogue One I saw right after I got fired and I was in Virginia and it was Christmas, and I was like, I'm gonna go see a Star wars movie to cheer me up. And maybe that's why I didn't like it.

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Yeah.

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But I was like, I hate this movie.

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Do you still feel that way?

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I thought it was fine, but I wouldn't ever.

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I rewatched through all of them, like, a year ago.

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And thanks for the invite.

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And I remember Rogue One, like, rewatching Rogue One and thinking, like, this is better than I remember it being. Like, it's a good movie. It's just like.

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That just tells you how dire Star wars is.

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Exactly.

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I'll take this little morsel.

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Exactly. Now, that is my biggest gripe with Star Wars. Although the mall series was great, I wish they would just make it, like, stop making Snow White live action. And make.

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Don't get me started on make. I know. I'm gonna have to go see the

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mall series live action. Yeah, Moana. Live action.

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Hey, what if we made the movie you love again Bad?

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Yeah, exactly.

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Anyway, but. But that's a perfect segue back to this. What if we made podcasts bad, right? And we gave it to you?

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Exactly. Yeah. I. I hope it's more. I hope it's just used more in, like, a supplementary way rather than a replacement way.

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I just.

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But I also hope that for writing, like, I don't know, like, that. That's how I feel about, like, my gut is sort of like, if you're in the bottom 50%, it's probably like, oh, good news. You know what I mean? But if you're in the top 50% and then you segment that out further, it's probably more like, you probably have nothing to worry about.

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Say more. What do you mean?

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Like, if you're. If you're not a good podcaster, but you want to put out podcasts.

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What? Chris Foss. He's not a good podcaster.

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Oh. Oh, oh.

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I was. I was expressing curiosity. I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Say that again. Explain it to me.

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I'm saying if you're in the bottom 50% of creatives, in terms of, like, of podcasters. Okay, then this is probably good news.

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Why?

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Because it makes. Because you're probably just, like, checking a box. You're probably not super concerned with the overall quality of the output. You're probably just, oh, but you're. Oh, I gotta put out more content.

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But you're not generating it.

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Correct. I'm saying, like, you're like, this is probably good news for you. Cause you're just like, oh, I gotta put out my podcast. Let's just feed it some blog posts and we'll check that box. And now I don't have to do it anymore.

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Oh, but this is. This is Spotify. Users generate it for themselves.

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Wait, what?

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I was wondering.

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I'm misunderstanding. Okay.

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Spotify. So I'm a Spotify user for now. Count your days, bitch. Anyway, it's just Spotify.

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You've got them.

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And Spotify is owned by mail, so I can say it. So anyway, basically CEO, but whatever. Anyway, Spotify is giving users the tool. So if I'm a Spotify user, I don't have a podcast. I'm generating a show for myself to listen to. I'm not a podcaster creating a show, but on to release what on Spotify. So I'm. So I wake up in the morning and I go, I want to listen to a podcast that tells me the weather, the breaking news and sports highlights. And it's generating it as a private feed for me.

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And Spotify will own that.

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It's just you, you and Spotify.

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But I'm saying like, basically, like Spotify's content. It's basically.

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So that's the problem is that for even those bottom. For the bottom creators, it's almost worse because the, the top creators don't have to worry because they're like, Joe Rogan's not going to lose listeners to it.

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Right.

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But if I'm. If I have a true crime podcast, imagine I have a true crime podcast. Just imagine that. Put yourself in that mindset and someone can go like, tell me all the arrests this week. Yeah, that's a bummer. You know what I mean?

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Yeah, I don't feel like it would hurt true crime that much. I think it would probably. Or whatever. Sports news, anything news related, whether it's sports or politics or whatever, like, that would probably be most impacted.

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Imagine someone's like, make me laugh comedy. Yeah, give me a comedy podcast.

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Luckily they're not even close on that.

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Yeah, that was crazy. When we're like, give us a bit. Yeah, I was like, give us some jokes.

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I don't know what to do. These are. Yeah, these are not good. But you know, it's only a matter of time that, that definitely changes it a little bit. But yeah, I think that, I think probably the antidote is what the best podcast growth advice already is, which is just focus on community over everything else. Rather than just knowledge or rather than just information. It's more about community and connection and kind of like building your own subculture to exist within is probably sort of the antidote to that because that's not going to happen with AI.

[B]

Also say this. Sorry, I just asked.

[A]

Zootopia 2 has come home to Disney Plus.

[B]

Let's go get ready for a new case.

[A]

We're gonna crack this case and prove we're the greatest partners of all time. New friends, you are Gary Destiny. And your last name? Desnake. Dream Team Habitats Zootopia has a secret reptile population.

[B]

You can watch the record breaking phenomenon at home.

[A]

You're clearly working it. Zootopia 2 now available on Disney. Rated PG.

[B]

Tomorrow morning is knocking.

[A]

Stock your fridge now.

[B]

How about a creamy mocha Frappuccino drink? Or a sweet vanilla smooth caramel maybe? Or a white chocolate mocha?

[A]

Whichever you choose, delicious coffee awaits. Find Starbucks Frappuccino drinks wherever you buy your groceries.

[B]

Say I had to write me a comedy bit about this. I will say this though too. I was listening to somebody talking about writing and they were maybe it was New York Times. I'm a paid subscriber to the New York Times. In case you're wondering how liberal I am of a paid subscriber to the New York Times, there's been so many

[A]

times where I've clicked an article and then read 20% of it.

[B]

You're like, I got the gist. I don't need to go past the paywall.

[A]

I guess that's good.

[B]

But anyway, I read an article and it was basically an author and it was talking about how they're finding themselves using more in improper grammar or slang or like just testing new things because AI is so perfect. And I feel like Spotify is going to kind of do the same thing to podcasts where it's like, people are going to listen for that. Like X Factor. Yeah. Like they're going to listen for all the problems that we have, you know. And so I think that's something to keep in mind as a creator is like, you can be threatened by it. But also like, I'm always encouraged by how bad AI is. It's like they can't do what I do.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Nobody. You can't train AI to do what I do every day.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, that is the truth though. So like I said, I guess we'll see how it ends up getting rolled out. But I feel like there's just very few use cases where it would actually be helpful. But I don't know. What do I know?

[B]

Well, here's how we'll close out the episode. I asked Perplexity. It's been a couple months since we've done this test. I asked Perplexity in the premium, the pro version of it. So this is the sauce right here. I asked it to write me. I said, write a standup comedy piece for me. That'll be hilarious. About AI taking over podcasts. So I'm going to do this. It's a dramatic reading, and you laugh when you feel appropriate. So I host podcasts for a living, which is a wild career, because five years ago, if you said, I'm a podcaster, people were like, oh, so you're unemployed with a microphone. Now it's different. Now people are like, oh, you're a podcaster. Cool. So how long until AI replaces you? And honestly, fair question, because AI is already better at some parts of podcasting than humans. Okay, perplexity, Put some bias in your script. Yeah, like editing. AI edits a podcast in, like, 30 seconds. 30 seconds. It takes me three hours and a mental breakdown.

[A]

Yeah, take a sip.

[B]

AI doesn't get distracted either. I'll be editing, like, all right, let's tighten this up. Oh, cool. I just spent 40 minutes watching a clip of a raccoon opening a safe.

[A]

Really good.

[B]

AI stays focused. AI is like, I removed 137, 42 awkward pauses and your entire personality. That's the scary part, because AI doesn't just edit anymore, it can host. You ever listen to those AI generated podcasts? They sound almost real, but not quite. It's like, welcome back to the show. I'm your host, a human man who definitely understands emotions. And the guest is like, thank you for having me. I also have feelings sometimes during data processing, and somehow it's still rated higher than your show. That's what hurts. You've been grinding for years, booking guests, building relationships, learning storytelling. And then some old dude types make a podcast about money, hits enter, and suddenly it's number three in business on Spotify. No mic, no lighting, no crippling self doubt. Meanwhile, I'm over here. Like, should I rerecord that intro? I think I breathed weird. AI doesn't breathe weird. It doesn't breathe at all. There's a lot more, but I think you get the point. We're safe.

[A]

I was gonna say I'm encouraged by that. I'm encouraged.

[B]

Write me an outro for the show. Write me an outro for this episode, and let's get out of here.

[A]

Are you actually doing that?

[B]

Yeah. Okay, hold on, please. Calculating. Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. All right, that's the show, everybody. If this episode was hosted by AI it would have been shorter, smarter, and way more optimized, but wouldn't have been this weird. So you're welcome if you enjoyed it, subscribe, leave a review, or just tell a friend before an algorithm does it for you. And if I suddenly disappear next week. Don't worry, I've either been replaced by a robot or I finally learned how to batch content like a responsible adult. Either way, we'll see you next time.

[A]

Well, that was definitely written by AI. It's rooting for its own self to take over podcasting. Anyway, that's it for this episode of the show. Remember, money only solves your money problems. It's easier to solve the rest of your problems when you got some money in the bank. So let's start there here on the Travis Makes Money podcast. Thanks for tuning in. Catch you next time.

[B]

Peace.

[A]

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