CO-HOST | Make Money by Building, Not Bashing (Lessons from Codie Sanchez & Online Critics)

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Travis Makes Money

Episode: CO-HOST | Make Money by Building, Not Bashing (Lessons from Codie Sanchez & Online Critics)

Host: Travis Chappell (with co-host Doug)
Release Date: April 11, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Travis and Doug discuss the pitfalls of online negativity and the value of focusing on building rather than bashing, inspired by recent criticism aimed at entrepreneur Codie Sanchez. Using real clips and online interactions, they explore how public perception, online haters, and competition shape success. The conversation digs into the mindset needed for financial growth, the misplaced focus on tearing down others, and actionable lessons for anyone trying to make more money—by building, not bashing.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Chuck Norris Humor and the Power of Memes

• [01:00–02:43] The show opens with Travis and Doug sharing lighthearted Chuck Norris jokes after his recent passing.
  • "Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups. He pushes the earth down." — Doug [01:21]
• Sets the episode's playful, open tone but quickly transitions into themes of online reputation and public perception.

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2. Codie Sanchez as a Case Study in Online Criticism

2.1 The “Chuck Norris of Main Street?”

• [02:43–03:08] Doug jokingly dubs Codie Sanchez “the Chuck Norris of Main Street,” framing her as a formidable, fearless entrepreneur shifting from Wall Street to Main Street investments.

2.2 Breaking Down Viral Criticism

• [03:13–06:23] The hosts replay a viral clip: A male critic dismisses Sanchez as an “actress,” questioning why anyone would leave Wall Street to run laundromats.
  • “Why would you leave Wall street like she says? And why would you go buy a laundromat chasing quarters for a living. It’s a sound bite. It sounds good.” — Guest/Caller [03:29, 13:05]
  • Shelby & Codie clap back, suggesting that haters are just “confused fans.”
  • “Your haters are most confused. What’s your biggest fan?” — Shelby quoting Codie [03:51, 13:13]

2.3 Hater = Closeted Fan?

• Travis and Doug agree that haters often closely follow their targets, sometimes more so than fans, seeking attention for themselves.
  • “A lot of people who hate…they want people paying attention to them rather than other people who are out there actually doing stuff.” — Travis [15:40]

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3. Lessons from Attention, Haters, and Branding

3.1 Attention Is the Currency

• [05:43–06:23] Travis recalls a $25,000 Grant Cardone mastermind where even Cardone’s inner circle didn’t like him at first—proof that attention, even negative, can be converted into value.
  • “Attention is the currency, and then you can convert attention later on, but if nobody knows who you are, you’ll never be able to do any business with anybody.” — Travis [06:13]

3.2 Real-Life Conversions from Hater to Fan

• [06:23–07:10] Both hosts admit they’ve had haters turn into loyal followers after years of “loathful listening.”
  • “They listened. They loathefully listened for five years as a hater and then became a fan.” — Doug [06:57]

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4. Is High Ticket Networking Worth It?

• [07:10–12:39] Doug quizzes Travis about paying $25,000 for the Grant Cardone mastermind.
  • Travis asserts: “It was worth it… because of the knowledge, information in the room and the people as well.” [07:10]
• The hosts challenge critics who scoff at high-ticket events, suggesting that for the right context, relationships and information justify the price.

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5. The Transactionalist Banter and Online One-Upmanship

• [13:00–14:57] The crew jokes about new, meaningless finance buzzwords (“transactionalist”) and playful take-downs (“clap off” vs “clap back”).
  • “You do transactions. Maybe you were an investment banker like me. Oh, no, you weren’t. You majored in the comment section on a YouTube channel no one watches.” — Shelby [13:52]
  • “Sometimes I want to go easy on these haters… Except if they go after other people.” — Shelby [14:26]

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6. Choosing to Build or Bash: Mindset for Success

6.1 Why Build, Not Bash

• [15:40–17:36] Travis pushes back on the idea that Main Street investing is “chasing quarters,” noting:
  • “You could make more money buying small businesses than you can in Wall Street. And it’s unlimited, uncapped potential to earn.” — Travis [15:40]

6.2 Why Critics Target Builders

• Travis suggests Cody’s critics want her attention for themselves and are upset when compared to her:
  • “He wants people to follow him for that advice rather than following her for that advice…Instead of being supportive, he wants to turn the attention to him.” — Travis [17:19]

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7. Responding to Haters—Healthy vs. Unhealthy Approaches

• [18:07–19:15] Hosts discuss their own reactions to hateful comments:
  • Travis: “It’s just such a useless activity…does absolutely nothing to change anybody’s mind as well… I’ve typed out several comments that I just deleted.” [18:41–19:15]
  • Doug jokes: “That’s what I do. And then I post it. No, I don’t.” [19:15–19:19]

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8. The “Chad” Example: When Competitors Bash Instead of Build

8.1 Who Is Chad?

• [20:02–25:52] The hosts finally identify Chad Peterson, a business broker, who trashes Codie while preaching the same Main Street acquisition message.
  • “He’s literally preaching the same message that Cody Sanchez preaches, which is exactly what she said.” — Travis [23:00]
• Hosts roast Chad’s branding while noting the irony:
  • “You’re discrediting your own message by attacking someone who’s saying the same message.” — Doug [25:06]
• Travis: “You don’t have to tear others down in order to be built up yourself.” [26:38]

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9. Takeaways and Final Thoughts

• [26:38–27:57]
  • Travis: “You don’t have to lift people up who you don’t like. You just don’t say anything about it.” [26:38]
  • “You don’t have to tear others down in order to be built up yourself.” — Travis [26:54]
  • Doug: “All that to say I love you, Eric.” [27:08]
  • Travis closes: “I find more value in lifting others up and being empathetic and connecting to other people, rather than just constantly engaging and tearing people down.” [27:29]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Your haters are your most confused. What’s your biggest fan?” — Codie Sanchez via Shelby [03:51, 13:13]
• "Attention is the currency…" — Travis [06:13]
• “They listened…loathfully…for five years as a hater and then became a fan.” — Doug [06:57]
• “You could make more money buying small businesses than on Wall Street…it’s unlimited, uncapped…” — Travis [15:40]
• “I just find it to be such a useless activity…does absolutely nothing to change anybody’s mind.” — Travis [18:31]
• “You don’t have to tear others down in order to be built up yourself…” — Travis [26:54]
• [Playful banter] “I’ve been pretending to like you for how many years?” — Doug [26:56]

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Segment Timestamps

| Timestamp | Topic | |---------------|---------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:43 | Show intro and Chuck Norris jokes | | 02:43 | Framing Codie Sanchez as “Main Street Chuck Norris” | | 03:13–06:23 | Breaking down the Codie Sanchez hater video | | 06:23–07:10 | Hater-to-fan conversion and lessons from Grant Cardone | | 07:10–12:39 | Is paying for high-end masterminds worth it? | | 13:00–14:57 | Online clap-backs: “transactionalist” & “clap off” banter | | 15:40–17:36 | Why build, not bash (benefits of Main Street investing) | | 18:07–19:15 | Healthy ways to respond to haters online | | 20:02–25:52 | The Chad example: Irony in criticizing fellow builders | | 26:38–27:57 | Lessons in empathy and focusing on collaboration vs. criticism|

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Core Lessons & Tone

• Main Message: Making money—and making a meaningful impact—requires focusing on building instead of bashing others, even (or especially) when competitors and critics go negative.
• Tone: Irreverent, playful, but sincere. The hosts mix sharp wit with practical wisdom and encourage listeners to rise above petty online battles.

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Actionable Takeaways

• Don’t let online hate or critics distract you from your purpose—haters often become your most engaged followers.
• Lift others up whenever possible; if you can’t, just say nothing.
• Attention is currency, but make sure you’re using it to build, not to tear down.
• If you want to level-up financially, invest your energy in learning, collaboration, and building new things—not pointless negativity.

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Transcript

[Shelby]

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[Travis]

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to the Travis Makes Money podcast where it's our mission to help you make more money. Today, my producers in studio, we got some clippage to pour through.

[Doug]

A clip, a clip, just a clip. But first, how are you holding up?

[Travis]

Good.

[Doug]

With the loss of Chuck Norris.

[Travis]

Yeah, that was rough. You see the meme that was made of like. It was like live footage of Chuck Norris at his funeral. And he's a pallbearer.

[Doug]

No.

[Travis]

I think so.

[Doug]

That's very funny. What's your favorite Chuck Norris joke?

[Travis]

I used to have a bunch of them off the top of my head. I honestly don't remember any of them at this point though. Do you have one?

[Doug]

I mean, there's the climbing. Chuck Norris was bit by rattlesnake and after three days of agonizing pain, the rattlesnake died. Chuck Norris doesn't do push ups. He pushes the earth down.

[Travis]

That's a good one.

[Doug]

That's a great.

[Travis]

I like that one.

[Doug]

Yeah. But yeah, so I've actually been watching some Chuck Norris movies over the past.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Have you?

[Doug]

A couple days.

[Travis]

You watch a little Walker, Texas Ranger.

[Doug]

I've never watched Walker, Texas Ranger. I'm so weird.

[Travis]

I definitely watched a few episodes of that. I think it was ABC Family or something back in the day that used to have it. The like reruns on there. And I definitely watched some of those.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Travis]

Which is acceptable as a child. But when you try to watch that stuff now and it's like, oof.

[Doug]

Yeah, Chuck Norris, count to infinity twice. There's no control key on Chuck Norris's keyboard. He's always in control. Chuck Norris once kicked a horse in the chin, creating drafts. Chuck Norris can slam a revolving door. When God said, let there be light, Chuck Norris replied, say please. That's a good one. Yeah, I've been watching. I've been watching some Chuck Norris movies. When I was young, I probably watched breaker breaker like 50 times.

[Travis]

Really?

[Doug]

Yeah. And he plays a trucker out for revenge in a small town for his brother, you know. And then last night I watched Hitman, which was a great. The Hitman, which is a great movie. Michael Parks is in that. Really good. And then I watched. What was the other one? I watched Eye for an Eye, which was not good. Sorry, Chuck. But yeah, so that's that. We talked about that.

[Travis]

Rest in peace, Chuck Norris.

[Doug]

Just felt like we needed to. But you know, there is a gal who's been called the Chuck Norris of Main Street.

[Travis]

Is that true?

[Doug]

Yep.

[Travis]

Is that really something that people call her?

[Doug]

No.

[Travis]

Oh, okay.

[Doug]

Until now. No. Cody Sanchez famously left Wall Street. Wait, let me say this. Let's cast out on her. Cody Sanchez allegedly left Wall street to go work in Main Street.

[Travis]

Just put some eerie background music to that. Sounds like a real headline.

[Doug]

This guy is a Cody Sanchez hater. Have you seen this video?

[Travis]

No, I have not.

[Doug]

Cody Sanche eat him up and left no crumbs. Let's watch. You ready? Here we go.

[Guest/Caller]

An actress?

[Travis]

Really?

[Guest/Caller]

Yeah, she's not doing deals. She's not a transactionalist.

[Travis]

Isn't she buying like retail laundromats and stores and stuff?

[Guest/Caller]

Bro, why would you leave Wall street like she says? And why would you go buy a laundromat Chasing quarters for a living. It's a sound bite. It sounds good.

[Shelby]

Honestly, dude, sometimes I wonder what these guys who hurt you. I thought I'd respond to this play by play because I saw another misogynistic dick go out my girl Shelby. And here's the truth. Your haters are most confused. What's your biggest fan?

[Doug]

Because first of all, that's good. I do like that I'm stitching that. I'm just going to do the whole clip and then her saying that. No, I. I do love that. That statement that your haters are the most confused. But your biggest fans. Cuz I. Can I say this, Travis? Sure. With confidence. I'm the most misunderstood man on the Internet. There's no one who's ever in the history of the Internet more misunderstood than me. I'm just a chill guy just trying to just vibe out. No, because I will say. Because I have people that comment on my stuff all the time. And they say the most crazy stuff.

[Travis]

Yeah. On everything I post continuous trolls and.

[Doug]

And the things they say about me, like I'm taking notes like, oh, I didn't know that about myself.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Or when they say, like, your whole life is about this. And I'm like, I just checked my phone. I'm watching Star Trek right now. I don't. I don't know what we're talking about. So I. I do love that statement. I'm gonna remember that for the future. Thank you, Cody. Let's get some snapshots.

[Travis]

There was one time I was in. I was at this Mastermind. It was a Grant Cardone retreat in Cabo. There's probably, I don't know, 30 people there, something like that. Like 20 to 30, like, fairly small group for what Grant does. But the weekend mastermind was 25 grand to go do this, this Mastermind retreat again. It was like two days, three days. And Grant was talking about marketing and getting attention and things like that. You know, the best known beats best type type of stuff. And he asked. He asked a question of the room. He's like, how many of you here, when you first saw my content, you did not like it? Over half the room raised their hands, including his business partner, Brandon Dawson, who was. Who was there.

[Doug]

And then Grant shot him and threw him overboard. He said, who else wants to say something?

[Travis]

It was really an insurrection.

[Doug]

I'm the captain now.

[Travis]

But he was just making the point that, like, a lot of you saw something that was attention getting that you did not like about me, and yet you're still all here having paid 25 grand to be here to get some time. And it was sort of one of those, like, haters are your fans type of thing, because that's what happened. That's sort of the arc, you know, either either they go further down the hating rabbit hole, which obviously he has a ton of those, or they eventually just go like. You just get kind of worn down, like, oh, it's actually some pretty good stuff here. Oh, that. He made a pretty good point on that one. But the. The point he was trying to make was that, like, attention is the currency, and then you can convert attention later on, but if nobody knows who you are, you'll never be able to do any business with anybody.

[Doug]

Well, it's like, it's like we used to say at the beginning of show where you said, you know, if you agree, keep on listening. If you disagree, keep on listening. So I can change your mind. It's like. It's like people will sit there. I actually had somebody recently reach out to me who was kind of like that, where they were like, you know, I wasn't a big fan of all your stuff. I started seeing certain things happen. And, and then they sent me like some updates of things that they were dealing with and basically were like, oh, I'm seeing this now that you've been talking about. Like it connected the dots. But it's like they listened. They, they loathefully listened for five years as a hater and then became a fan.

[Travis]

A real fan. Yeah.

[Doug]

And so anyway, I thought that was great. Look, we're already, this one clip is already giving us a plethora of conversation. Really quickly, really quickly. Was it worth spending $25,000 to go on a boat with Grant Cardone?

[Travis]

Well, it wasn't just like going on a boat and doing nothing. It was, it was, it was worth it. Yeah. Because of the knowledge, information in the room and the people as well. There was, there were some, the, I will say the, some of the annoying parts about doing anything at Grant Cardone stuff is there's always some people there who are just annoying.

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[Doug]

Like the alpha sales guy.

[Travis]

Yeah. Yeah. But there's actually. It was one of the women that were there that was very much alpha sales gal vibe. Yeah. And it was like, there's several people. I was just like, oh, my gosh, you're so. You're annoying the hell out of me right now. I do not want to talk to you anymore. But. So there's some of that that comes along with his community, but also there's some actual, like, savage killers in there. I met a couple of really good

[Doug]

people there because people always bas. Like, Like, I listen to Sam Cedar. He always talks about Patrick, but David, they're like, people spend a hundred thousand dollars for 30 minutes. It's so stupid. Or people see Alex or Mosey spent however much to sit down with Grant Cardone, and then Grant Cardone's like, he spent more than what he said and blah, blah, blah. But people are always like, it's not worth it. And I always go like, can it be really worth it to spend that much money to be, you know?

[Travis]

Yeah, well, just.

[Doug]

Just on a boat with Grant Cardone. That was all it was. You just were on a boat with grand.

[Travis]

That's not all it was.

[Doug]

That's what you said.

[Travis]

That was one of the afternoons. Yes.

[Doug]

Okay.

[Travis]

But. But yeah, just want to ask for the whole thing. Yes, it was.

[Doug]

I just want to ask because I'm sure people are thinking that, you know, probably. And it's a clip. All right.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

It is what it is.

[Travis]

Really?

[Guest/Caller]

Yeah. She's not doing deals. She's not a transactionalist.

[Doug]

That's so funny. Remember that?

[Travis]

It's also buying, like, retail laundromats and stores and stuff.

[Guest/Caller]

Bro, why would you leave Wall street like she says? And why would you go buy a laundromat chasing quarters for a living? It's a sound bite. It sounds good.

[Shelby]

Honestly, dude, sometimes I wonder with these guys who hurt you. I thought I'd respond to this play by play because I Saw another misogynistic dick go at my girl Shelby. And here's the truth. Your haters are your most confused. What's your biggest fan? Because first of all, he calls himself a transactionalist. My finance fam. Shout in the comments, sir, no one called anyone that. You unserious mother did you meet.

[Doug]

Have you ever heard someone say transactionalist before?

[Travis]

No, I have not.

[Doug]

I haven't either, but I was like, I guess I'm not a finance person, but I guess I'm more. I'm as much as he is.

[Travis]

Yeah, exactly.

[Doug]

Something like that.

[Shelby]

You do transactions. Maybe you were an investment banker like me. Oh, no, you weren't. You majored in the comment section on a YouTube channel no one watches. Oh, or maybe, I don't know, you worked at a top tier firm like I did at Goldman Sachs. Oh, no, there's no way. Because that beard on your face is there, like, hiding three unpaid child support checks and a ferret. Guy looks like he thinks a peer reviewed study is when his boys say fact out loud. Do you need me to teach you how to buy a business and help you spell acquisitions? I can do both, I think. Sometimes I want to, like, go easy on this haters, which is why I don't clap off. Except if they go after other people.

[Doug]

Now, to be fair, I don't think I've ever heard someone say clap off.

[Travis]

Clap off? Yeah.

[Doug]

Is that a thing? I don't think that's a thing.

[Travis]

Except for when you turn off the lights with claps.

[Doug]

I want one.

[Travis]

Clap on.

[Doug]

I actually, the other day almost thought about getting one is can you. Can you clap off? Oops. Or Urban Dictionary. I think she means pop off.

[Travis]

I think so.

[Doug]

Which is embarrassing.

[Travis]

Clap back.

[Doug]

Which, I'm gonna be honest, Cody is very embarrassing, considering you just said called him out for transactionalist. Yeah, shutting down a conversation. Okay, maybe we'll give it to her.

[Travis]

Yeah, yeah, I think she was going for pop off or clap back.

[Doug]

Clap back. That's what she meant to say. Do you mean you do clapbacks? You should respond to this and just correct her grammar and don't respond to anything else. Overall though, she's cooking, so I'll allow it.

[Shelby]

You know, it's because if you took the mic away, damn if this poor guy doesn't look like a middle aged man arguing with the hostess about why he can't get in. You know, so don't get mad about men who iron their T shirts just to feel control over something. Go shine bright. No, people are gonna Hate you. And the only reason they do is because they really wish you'd pay attention to them.

[Guest/Caller]

What do you say?

[Travis]

That's true.

[Doug]

That's true.

[Travis]

I think that. That. That last thing is. Is very true, that a lot of the people who hate, especially people who hate for a living online is. That's what they want is people paying attention to them rather than other people who are out there actually doing stuff. Yeah, that's just a. I don't know. That's just a silly thing to say. Also, it shows ignorance to me because it's like, what do you mean? Like what? What do you mean? Why would she leave Wall street to go buy boring businesses? Like, that actually makes a ton of sense to me. It seems to be a better path to, like, actual financial freedom rather than working 90 hours a week at an investment bank and driving yourself crazy for 20 years. Even though it could be good money, it's like you could make more money buying small businesses than you can in Wall Street. And it's unlimited, uncapped potential to earn rather than, you know. Wait, what's capped earnings?

[Doug]

What's the name of his show?

[Travis]

Is it Digital Social Hour?

[Doug]

Oh, Digital Social Hour. Shout out. I just want to see something, Cody. Yeah. Someone that buys a lot of laundromats and saying chasing quarters. This is really different.

[Priceline Announcer]

That's.

[Travis]

That's goofy.

[Doug]

Very different things. I want to see what this guy does. Oh, my gosh. I'm trying to see. Trying to see who the guest was because it doesn't say in the clip. I just want to see what he does.

[Travis]

Probably something similar to what she does.

[Doug]

What's the most hateful comment you've ever read about yourself online?

[Guest/Caller]

Probably.

[Travis]

Remember when we filmed those ads when we did the Toaster in the Bathtub one?

[Doug]

Yes.

[Travis]

And then somebody commented on it, something about, like, next time, plug it in or something. I was like, jesus Christ.

[Doug]

Do you know who this guy is? Hold on.

[Travis]

I have no idea.

[Doug]

Let me figure out who this is. This is gonna drive me crazy.

[Travis]

I have no idea who he is. I think he. I think he, like. Like I said, he probably does the same thing that she does. But to her own, to her credit, what she said at the end there is exactly why he's talking about her. Because he wants people to follow him for that advice rather than following her for that advice. And he's sick of hearing people be like, oh, so you do what Cody Sanchez does?

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Travis]

And instead of being supportive, he wants to turn the attention to him.

[Guest/Caller]

Yeah.

[Doug]

I can't Find this anywhere. Here we go. But what's the. Oh, my God. And Cody Sanchez was on the Digital Social hour. What a betrayal.

[Travis]

Well, Sean will talk to anybody.

[Doug]

Yeah, that's true. Whatever. I guess we'll never know. But what's the me? Okay, be completely honest. What's the meanest interaction you've ever had

[Travis]

that I've commented to somebody?

[Doug]

Yeah, when did you clap off at somebody?

[Travis]

I was gonna say it's never been unprompted. I don't ever comment hate on other people's stuff. The only time I say anything hateful to people is when they start off with a bunch of hate. And it's not even hateful. It's just basically just like, quick, snarky comments to change the subject and.

[Doug]

Right.

[Travis]

Let them know I'm not going to be engaging with them any further.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

So, yeah, I just find it to

[Travis]

be such a useless activity. It's just like the worst thing that you can do for your mental health and also does absolutely nothing to change anybody's mind as well. Yeah, so I. I've never.

[TaxAct Announcer]

I've.

[Travis]

I've typed out several comments that I just deleted. I find I find, like, some sort of, like, a therapeutic release almost, when I can just type all of what I'm thinking into a comment, and then before I know it, I look at it. It's like I'm a paragraph in, and all I'm doing is tearing this person to shreds based on, like, the little bit of things that I know about them, and it's gonna do nothing for me or for them. And it's just silly to continue to engage doing this. So I just, like, delete it. But, yeah, I found that typing out the comment actually is sort of therapeutic. And then I just delete it all before I actually post it.

[Doug]

That's what I do. And then I post it.

[TaxAct Announcer]

Do you, though?

[Doug]

No, I don't.

[Travis]

That's what I was gonna say.

[Doug]

I don't pop off the way I want to sometimes. I did the other day. I sent to someone else what I thought and wanted to say, and that felt good.

[Guest/Caller]

Yeah.

[Travis]

Yeah, exactly.

[Doug]

And then they post a screenshot and they said, host of the Preacher Boys podcast just sent me this harsh dm. What a jerk.

[Travis]

This shocking DM will surprise you.

[Doug]

I was trying to think if there was any.

[Travis]

There's no way you're gonna find this.

[Doug]

It's way too many straight, hateful comments. This is driving me nuts now, because now I want to dig, dive deep into this man.

[Travis]

Interesting.

[Doug]

You ever See a man and you're like, I just want to die.

[Travis]

This looks like somebody. I could die.

[Doug]

I just want to dive deep into this man. Digital social hour.

[Travis]

You're not gonna find it, bro.

[Doug]

No, no, no. We're gonna find it. Here we go. He's. His name is Chad. Look. Oh, wait, can I say something about Chad?

[Travis]

Just in general, Can I say.

[Doug]

Well, no, let me say this. When I watched. When I watched John Wick 5. Or is it 4? What's the latest one? John Wick 4. Yeah. The director of John Wick 4 is named Chad. And I immediately went, that checks. I was like a high octane action movie that doesn't need a lot of plot.

[Travis]

Directed by.

[Doug]

Directed by. Chad.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Chad.

[Doug]

Anyway, so this guy's Chad Peterson. Okay, okay. Entrepreneur.

[Travis]

Sell your business with 540,000 fake followers.

[Doug]

Great. We don't know that. Hold on.

[Travis]

Allegedly.

[Doug]

Hold on. Create your best life. Self employed whisperer. He's unemployed. He doesn't have a job. Quantum stack investing.

[Guest/Caller]

Yeah.

[Travis]

So he does.

[Doug]

We're too deep. We're too deep into all that. Wait, okay, okay. Yeah. His fake. 540,000 followers.

[Travis]

Just know if you're looking at a business profile of somebody you've never heard, the odds are the majority of their audience is fake.

[Doug]

Yeah. And if you go to the comments and it's fire emoji, then a money emoji.

[Travis]

So true.

[Doug]

Wise words, man. Facts. Love the insights. Love, love.

[Travis]

The inside is a here for sure.

[Doug]

ISO. Wet cash flow is king. Like, whenever you see comments like that, it's not real.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Yeah, it's all fake.

[Doug]

Let's see if. Let's see.

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[Travis]

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[Doug]

See what he said on Bradley's show. You want to watch it real quick? Sure, why not?

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Watch it.

[Chad (Entrepreneur)]

We'll transfer that we've never seen before. If you're going to build a businessman, you got to be an absolute animal. And you have to be willing to sacrifice, sacrifice everything. And you can go do something you think you're good at, but whatever it is you're going to go do, you don't have to be good at that. You have to be good at marketing and management and systems and. And all the technology. It's easier to buy one. And the good news is that there's going to be $10 trillion of businesses that are going to change hands in

[Guest/Caller]

the next 10 years.

[Doug]

So he's a business broker. Right.

[Travis]

He. He's literally preaching the same message that Cody Sanchez preaches, which is exactly what she said.

[Doug]

So. Yeah. This is perplexing.

[Travis]

I. I just don't understand. I don't understand the vibe of going and attacking people publicly who are doing things like, literally, this is somebody who's trying to do everything that Cody Sanchez is doing.

[Doug]

He should be getting her on a podcast.

[Travis]

Exactly, exactly. Rather than being like, she's a scam artist and she doesn't do anything that she says that she does, and whatever else it's like, what are you talking about, man? Like that there. You have no proof of any of that. You're making wild conjectures about somebody else's character on a podcast for the Views. Like, I don't know. I just don't vibe with that. That type of.

[Doug]

I'm too deep in this. I don't know what he does. I don't really care. Very boring stuff, acquisitions.

[Travis]

That's what I'm saying he does.

[Doug]

He's a banker.

[Travis]

I want to sell my business Broker.

[Doug]

Look at the book cover. Yeah, if that's your book cover.

[Travis]

Quantum Stack Invest.

[Doug]

This looks like a magician that would work at the same club that Job would work at in Arrested Development.

[Travis]

It does look like that.

[Doug]

Like, imagine job holding, like.

[Travis]

Yep.

[Doug]

Where did the lighter fluid come from? That's that guy. Where did the light bulb come from?

[Travis]

Yeah, it's such a. I don't know. It's just such a. It's just a strange behavior to me. If you're somebody out there that's like teaching success and personal development for a living, and then you're just gonna go throw shade at somebody else who's doing the same thing that you're doing. I just don't. I Don't understand. The only reason to do it is for the attention that it's gonna get. And Cody handled it beautifully.

[Doug]

Well, he does have 2.2 thousand subscribers, so she also ate him up that on YouTube. Let's watch. Okay, let's close out. Let's just watch his most popular video.

[Travis]

Because like the last what he said was saying on Brad show, like, all that's true, that's accurate. But like, again, you're saying it's the same stuff that, like if you subscribe to Cody Sanchez's newsletter, that's basically going to be the first newsletter that you get is like the talking about all the people selling businesses or letting their businesses.

[Doug]

Yeah, the wealth transfer and all that. Let's watch. Let's watch his most popular video on YouTube.

[Travis]

It doesn't make him wrong. It just is like it's. I. Why, why do that?

[Doug]

You're discrediting your own message by attacking someone who's saying the same message.

[Travis]

Right?

[Doug]

All right, let's watch his most popular video on YouTube. It's got 11,000 views. Let's give him one last shot.

[Travis]

Okay.

[Doug]

Change our life. You ready? Let's give him a fair shake here. Come on, Chad, you can do it.

[Chad (Entrepreneur)]

Never buy a franchise. People that want to buy franchises, Fuck you, Travis.

[Doug]

Right out of the gate, want to

[Chad (Entrepreneur)]

be self employed, but they still need control, they still need management, they still need guidelines, they still need to work within the.

[Doug]

This feels like why you should buy a franchise. So here we go.

[Chad (Entrepreneur)]

Lines of structure and being told what to do and being taught and handheld. Don't buy a franchise. That's my advice. And you know, because you're really not self employed. You're. You're working for somebody else. You're a glorified owner. You're really not your own man or your own woman at that time. Never buy a franchise.

[Travis]

I mean, yeah, I mean, again, for somebody who's teaching what he's teaching, I completely agree with him on that. On that point. And having bought a franchise and having the personality of an entrepreneur, I would tend to agree with that. But that, but I am not running the franchise. My wife is running the franchise and she works really well with having a bunch of systems handed over to her where she doesn't have to develop products and think about, you know, the, the. The stuff that you have to think about when you're starting a business. So, yeah, again, I'm sure a lot of his stuff is good and I'm sure he probably knows what he's talking about. It's just, again, I. I don't agree with. It's just strange behavior to me to. To put out stuff that's just tearing down other people rather than just lifting them up. You don't even.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

You don't have to lift people up

[Travis]

who you don't like. You just don't say anything about it. Like, why do you feel that it's necessary for you to. You. You don't. You don't have to tear others down in order to be built up yourself, and you don't have to pretend to like somebody that you don't like in order to keep the peace online.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Just don't say anything about it.

[Doug]

I've been pretending to like you for how many years?

[Travis]

It's been almost a decade.

[Doug]

Yeah. So I don't know why I said that. I love you, bro. I love you, man.

[Travis]

All that to say? Nope.

[Doug]

All that to say I love you, Eric.

[Travis]

All to say, don't. Don't tear other people down online when you're literally doing the same exact thing that they're doing in hopes that, like, what's the desired result from that? Like, you think somebody's gonna watch that

[Doug]

and go, you know, it's because Cody's name brings views, right? And he doesn't get views. There you go.

[Travis]

He wants them. Yeah. Silly, silly behavior to me. And again, it sucks because, like, I don't know anything about the guy. He probably does a good job. He probably, you know, knows what he's talking about. He's probably helped a lot of people. But as soon as you engage in that type of, like, online vit buffoonery, it's just, you. You lose me. And that might also be because I have a whole brand about making friends, and I find more value in lifting others up and being empathetic and connecting to other people, rather than just in constantly engaging and tearing people down.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

But me, that's just.

[Travis]

That might just be me, apparently. But that's it for this episode of the show. Remember, money only solves your money problems, but it's easier to solve the rest of your problems with money in the bank. So let's start there, here on the Travis Makes Money podcast.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Thanks for tuning in.

[Travis]

Catch you guys next time.

[Guest/Caller]

Peace.

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[Doug]

Hey, everyone.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

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[Doug]

What is this, your first date?

[Travis]

Oh, no.

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[Travis]

Yeah, the bird looks out of your league.

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[Doug]

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