CO-HOST | Make Money by Building Trust Through Honest Leadership

Summary

Podcast Summary: Travis Makes Money

Episode: CO-HOST | Make Money by Building Trust Through Honest Leadership
Date: July 11, 2026
Host: Travis Chappell with Producer Eric

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Episode Overview

In this lighthearted yet insightful episode, Travis and producer Eric dive into the importance of building trust and credibility through honest leadership, using an unexpected jumping-off point: fast food CEOs admitting their product shortcomings. The conversation weaves together lessons on transparency in business, trust-building, and how vulnerability can actually drive better leadership—and, by extension, more successful financial outcomes. Sprinkled throughout are entertaining tangents about fast food, personal habits, and marketing pitfalls, making for an engaging and relatable discussion for listeners seeking practical wisdom on making money through authentic leadership.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Fast Food Leadership: Transparency in Action

• The episode opens with Eric sharing a viral news item: Burger King’s president admitted in a New York Post interview that there’s one menu item he avoids—the chicken nuggets—because they aren't good enough yet. He commits to improving them, expressing a desire for “meatier, crispier nugget and sauces that make my taste buds dance.”
  • Quote (Eric, 03:53): “He wants a meatier, crispier nugget and sauces that make my taste buds dance. He’s a poet. Let me read that again...”
• Travis and Eric compare this honest admission to the guarded, sometimes inauthentic approach seen in other fast food executive interviews (e.g., the McDonald’s CEO and the “Big Arch” burger incident, where the CEO didn’t look like he enjoyed his own product).

2. The Power of Admitting Your Weaknesses (08:22 – 13:12)

• They discuss whether such honesty from leadership is wise, especially when it comes to admitting a product’s shortcomings.
• Travis asserts that honest leadership builds trust—if the public sees that even the CEO isn’t afraid to call out areas for improvement, it signals authenticity and a commitment to progress.
  • Quote (Travis, 11:20): “It makes me feel more trust in the company.”
  • Quote (Travis, 11:51): “That increases trust in the company—the willingness to come out and be like, ‘this needs to be better and we’re going to fix it.’ ...the vibe is that he genuinely cares about the product.”
• Eric plays devil’s advocate, asking if calling out flaws could backfire by shaking public confidence. Travis is firm that, framed properly, it only enhances credibility—so long as action follows the admission.

3. When Transparency Becomes Over-Sharing (16:05 – 18:34)

• The discussion shifts to finding the right balance in leadership transparency.
• They condemn “sympathy marketing” (e.g., viral posts of authors sitting alone at empty book signings), warning it can come off as desperate or manipulative rather than inspiring trust.
  • Quote (Eric, 16:53): “I hate sympathy marketing. ... It’s so sad to post that.”
• Travis explains transparency is about context: honesty about setbacks or failed experiments (like Mr. Beast’s Beast Burger vs. Feastables) builds relatability and authenticity; repeatedly spotlighting your failures or hardships to guilt people into supporting you is counterproductive.
  • Quote (Travis, 18:51): “That’s a good example ... tried something, didn’t work, we talked about it, now let’s move on to the next thing.”

4. Business Lessons: Authenticity & Moving Forward (18:47 – 20:40)

• The co-hosts stress that desperation or “guilt-trip” marketing rarely works in the long run, sharing anecdotes from door-to-door sales and dating.
  • Quote (Travis, 20:23): "I tried that a few times door-to-door and realized very quickly it doesn’t work. ...That desperation energy is not what seals the deal."
• The episode wraps by emphasizing that honest leadership (admitting what needs fixing, celebrating what works) ultimately helps solve money problems by building a loyal, trusting customer base.

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Memorable Moments & Notable Quotes

• Dynamic Banter (~01:00-06:00): Eric’s playful riff on what it would be like if Burger King’s CEO was officially titled “The Burger King,” issuing royal decrees in a throne room.
• Nugget Critique (03:28-04:01): “He sympathized with critics. He says, ‘we can do better, and we will.’ ...I want a meatier, crispier nugget and sauces that make my taste buds dance.”
• Honest Leadership—Trust (11:20): Travis: “It makes me feel more trust in the company.”
• Balance in Transparency (17:48): Travis: “It shouldn’t be your entire content strategy. ...Transparency is useful but definitely in the right context and not too much of it.”
• Comparing Failures & Moving On (18:51): “That’s a good example... tried something, didn’t work, we talked about it, now let’s move on to the next thing.”
• On Desperation Marketing (20:23): “That desperation energy is not what seals the deal.”

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Important Timestamps

• [03:28] Burger King president’s infamous nugget critique/restaurants and CEO transparency
• [11:20] Travis on trust built through corporate honesty
• [16:23] Discussion of “sympathy marketing” and its pitfalls
• [18:51] The Mr. Beast Burger example of owning your failures
• [20:23] Door-to-door sales anecdote about desperation not working

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Key Takeaways

• Honest leadership builds financial and brand trust. People respect a leader who acknowledges flaws and is committed to improvement.
• Transparency works best when it’s measured and followed by action. Owning setbacks is credible, but don’t make your failures your brand narrative.
• Desperation and “pity marketing” undermine confidence. Authenticity and a forward focus attract support; neediness repels it.
• Case studies matter. Sharing failed (and successful) entrepreneur attempts (Mr. Beast) normalizes setbacks and demonstrates resilience.

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Episode Mood & Tone

Casual, energetic, humorous, and pragmatic—with a focus on tangible life and business lessons delivered through relatable stories and real-world examples.

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Summary crafted for listeners interested in building more wealth by leading with honesty, humility, and practical optimism.

Transcript

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[Travis]

I oh, let's go. I oh, let's go. You're listening to the Travis Makes Money podcast presented by gohighlevel.com for a free 30 day trial of the best all in one digital marketing software tool on the planet, just go to gohighlevel.com travis. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to the Travis Makes Money podcast where it's a mission to help you make more money on this episode of the show. My producer Eric is in studio. What's up, Eric?

[Eric]

Hey, Travis. Hey, how are you there, matey? I feel like. Feel like the pirate from spongebob. What's his name?

[Travis]

Yeah, but why do you feel like that?

[Eric]

I don't know. Because I'm hungry and I want to go steal food from a ship. I need it anyway. Remember a couple months ago when we tried the Big arch?

[Travis]

Yeah, the McDonald's burger.

[Eric]

Yeah, the McDonald's burger. I'm not referring to a sexual position known as the big arch. I don't know if there is one called that. Anyway, the McDonald's burger. And we were laughing at the CEO of the McDonald's trying the burger and not looking like he was a fan.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

And then I also showed you a clip from the Burger King's president where he ate the burger so good. Like he was like, did a good job eating a burger.

[Travis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Eric]

Crazy thing to not do that. He actually liked it. But I was just. We were in between episodes, so this could be a three minute episode. But I saw a clip or a post. What's it called? On social media. The thing people peruse a post on social media and from bro Bible.

[Travis]

Okay.

[Eric]

It's the only bible you read. And it says, burger King's president reveals the one item on its menu he won't order. Two things come to mind. One, that's a great hook. And it immediately made me stop my scroll and I want to know what it is. Two, I feel like Burger King's president should just be the Burger King. Like, if you run, I think instead of a CEO or president, the guy who runs Burger King should be like the Burger King. So when they have an issue at Burger King, they can be like, take it to the top. Take it to the King.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

And they walk into a big throne

[Travis]

room, issues a royal decree.

[Eric]

You know the throne room in Last Jedi?

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

I want the king sitting there.

[Travis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Eric]

And then he's like, I'm actually on board for this. What shouldn't they call? Can you legally call it that?

[Travis]

Totally. Nothing says you have to call CEO.

[Eric]

I feel like the Burger King's president should be the king.

[Travis]

Agreed.

[Eric]

Okay. So anyway, during a recent interview with the New York Post, he acknowledged he sympathized with critics while admitting he avoids this menu item. Travis, if you had to guess, what menu item do you think the Burger King president himself will not stoop so low as to consume? I can't believe I got that whole sentence out without stumbling, but I just ruined the aura about that.

[Travis]

I'm going to guess the Whopper.

[Eric]

No, that's like their most iconic thing. Of course he eats that.

[Travis]

Okay.

[Eric]

I don't think you can be the CEO.

[Travis]

I'm not super familiar with Burger King's menu, to be honest.

[Eric]

It's a pretty chicken sandwich. Nope.

[Travis]

Double cheeseburger.

[Eric]

No. I love these segments. We do.

[Travis]

It's definitely not chicken fries. That's the best thing that's ever come out of the fries.

[Eric]

That is so good. It's their chicken nuggets.

[Travis]

Okay.

[Eric]

He sympathized with critics. He says, we can do better and we will. Look at that. This guy's the best.

[Travis]

Good for him.

[Eric]

I love him. We can do better, and we will. I want a meatier, crispier nugget and sauces that make my taste buds dance. He's a poet, too. He's a poet. Let me read that again, because, first of all, I still haven't eaten today. Yeah. Yeah. And this sounds so good.

[Travis]

Same.

[Eric]

Nothing sounds better than a meatier, crispier nugget and sauces that make my taste buds dance. He says the team is on it.

[Travis]

The team is on it.

[Eric]

Still corporate.

[Travis]

Yeah, but so it feels like there should be a court jester in there.

[Eric]

Well, that's McDonald's with their clown.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Bunch of clowns.

[Travis]

Stupid worm.

[Eric]

The Big Arch burger was good, though, actually. And I've never eaten a Whopper that tastes as good as a McDonald's burger.

[Travis]

Is that true? But I'm not sure I've ever had a Whopper. I always got the double cheeseburger.

[Commercial Narrator]

You know what?

[Travis]

I would get a double cheeseburger and chicken fries. Cause you gotta have the chicken fries.

[Eric]

Well, when. So you know what? I used to never get burgers at Burger King. I always liked their chicken Nuggets. And so the reason I started getting it was when I worked in Fresno, this lad I used to work with, we would go to Burger King, and he would always say, I want a Whopper off the grill.

[Travis]

What does that mean?

[Eric]

He would always say, off the grill. And he told me. And it is true, because I've ordered it both ways. It's better if you get a. You. If you get a. Do some of the microwaves instead of doing the warming tray where they have Whoppers.

[Travis]

Oh.

[Eric]

You get a freshly cooked piping hot patty. At Burger King, you simply ask for your burger to be hot off the broiler. This tells the kitchen to cook a new patty on the flame broiler instead of using one that's been sitting in a warming tray. And it is actually usually a fresher, juicier burger.

[Travis]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Eric]

Can I tell you something?

[Travis]

Sitting on a warmer, Can I tell you.

[Eric]

Oh, and I love that it gives instructions. It says, politely tell the cashier or speaker box. Can I please get my Whopper hot off the broiler? Can I tell you something embarrassing about myself and all the people listening?

[Travis]

This is the time to do it.

[Eric]

So I don't use AI I don't even know what it's called. I. A. It's like a Baptist. It's like Baptist pastors when they're talking about rock bands, and they're like, what is it? The throwing crowns or the casting kings? What are they called? Chris Thompson or whatever his name is. And then they sing a version of his song piano. Anyway, this IA Or AI Whatever it's called, I don't use it for a lot, but recently I've had to make a lot of phone calls to doctors or I make phone calls to different companies and stuff. And I get very nervous getting on the phone with people.

[Travis]

Interesting.

[Eric]

I get very anxious, and I literally will leave my apartment so nobody can hear me on the phone. And I walk a long distance to just be away. And the other day I had to call somebody, and I felt just so nervous about it. And I asked, how should I word what I'm gonna say to them? And then I said, depend. Give me different ways they could respond to this. And it gave me very.

[Travis]

It's like a script.

[Eric]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, it helps me. Cause I was like, what? How? I don't remember. Maybe it wasn't that. It was something. And I was worried they were gonna feel like that it was gonna become antagonistic. Maybe it was you. I was on the phone no, but I used it to be like, how can I say this in a way that doesn't sound like aggressive, you know? I don't know.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

I don't know. Is that. That's just a story.

[Travis]

That's just an aside.

[Eric]

That's just something I wanted to tell you.

[Travis]

Anyway, Burger King.

[Eric]

Anyway. Fresh off the grill. The broiler.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Is that. And he taught me that. And then I started eating the Whoppers and they were really good though.

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[Eric]

So if you ever do try a Whopper. So here we go, full circle. We're going to bring it in. If you ever go to Burger King and you want to get a Whopper, ask for it off the broiler. You're welcome.

[Travis]

Thank you. Next time I go to Burger King, I'll keep that in mind.

[Eric]

Okay. All right then, chief. Now I just mentioned that with the chicken, we're going to circle back to this.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

We're going to call this the circle back episode.

[Travis]

Okay, Put a pin in that.

[Eric]

But I. Oh, my God. They just announced a new offer. That looks good.

[Travis]

Just done. The Burger King rabbit hole.

[Eric]

I'm so hungry. So I'm down so many pounds. No. So I was looking up the New York Post article to read some more from him, but just in time for summer. My mouth is watering. The new loaded jalapeno Whopper is beefed up with 4.4 ounces of 100% flame grilled meat and crowned with crispy pickled jalapenos and creamy jalapeno sauce, lettuce, juicy tomatoes and American cheese. My mouths are water, bro. I love jalapenos, so that kills me. But I was going to ask you, what do you think the Go to for the boss at Burger King is. What do you think the boss at the president of Burger King, what do you think his go to order is?

[Travis]

A Whopper. French fries, A Coke.

[Eric]

The boss's favorite, however, is crafted around simplicity. He told the Post. The classic Whopper with all the fixins.

[Travis]

All the fixins.

[Eric]

Fixins. Have you ever seen that from the Dan McBride blooper. Stay on target, Travis. Stay on target.

[Travis]

We have to just upload that as a sound.

[Eric]

Stay on target.

[Travis]

Stay on target.

[Eric]

Oh, we should. Speaking of which version of now I want to talk about Star Wars. That's a good Star Wars.

[Travis]

Again, that is after I watch Star Trek.

[Eric]

Hold on, wait.

[Travis]

Just the Chris Pine ones.

[Eric]

Okay, Wait, actually, let's put stay on target on the.

[Travis]

That would actually be.

[Eric]

Because that would be fun to deploy on each other, you know?

[Travis]

You know what else I thought we should put on the board recently?

[Eric]

Shoot.

[Travis]

Do you ever watch any of Tim Robinson's sketch show? Do you see the. The Driving Crooner? No one in there.

[Eric]

He says, you're doing what I do now.

[Travis]

Yeah, I know.

[Eric]

It's because we're both malnourished right now. This is actually one. But he goes, you ever feel like, bad for Joanna to edit these?

[Travis]

Oh, no, no. She's got it.

[Eric]

She's sleep. She's literally just got on 2x, like, get me through this now.

[Travis]

But he. In that. In that episode, he's like screams at the camera like he usually does, and he goes, I gotta figure out how to make money.

[Eric]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Travis]

It's just too good.

[Eric]

Oh, we gotta.

[Travis]

I just felt like that would be perfect.

[Eric]

I did. I think I did one Creature Boys one time and it was a pastor.

[Travis]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Eric]

Actually, maybe I did that or I shared it. Gotta make money. Those are good. We do need to populate the soundboard. Yeah, I think that would be great.

[Travis]

Instead of like these, you know, preloaded.

[Eric]

I'm so hungry. Oh, my God. Do you think it's crazy, though, for the president of a restaurant to say, we're not there yet with our food?

[Travis]

No.

[Eric]

Or does that like. Does that make you go, like, if the president doesn't even want to eat that, that makes you feel weird? Or does it make you feel more trust in the company?

[Travis]

It makes me feel more trust in the company.

[Eric]

And should we order Whoppers right now?

[Travis]

And most importantly, would you eat a Whopper right now? No. No.

[Eric]

Okay. I didn't ask. Do you need to. I ask, would you tear one up right now? If I had One here. No, the Jalapeno Whopper would.

[Travis]

I want to absol. It sounds fantastic.

[Eric]

How many calories is in it? Go ahead and talk about stuff and then I'm gonna look it up.

[Travis]

My guess is like 1200.

[Eric]

Take over the show for a minute.

[Travis]

What?

[Eric]

Take the reins real quick.

[Travis]

Well, you interrupted me when I was saying something.

[Eric]

Go ahead then. See, finish it.

[Travis]

I don't remember what it was. Oh, the pro. Yeah. No, I don't. I think that increases trust in the company. The like willingness to come out and be.

[Eric]

Because I was very surprised to see

[Travis]

that this, our chicken needs improvement. And we. It's not. He's not just saying like, yeah, our chicken sucks. It is what it is. He's saying like our chicken nuggets need to be better and they're going to be better. Okay. And the vibe is that he genuinely cares about the product and likes the product as the CEO, which you, you know, kind of hope for. Which was what the McDonald's CEO got so much flack for about the Big arch. It just looked like it was the first time he's ever eaten a McDonald's burger. Clearly not with the Burger King guy though.

[Eric]

Dude, I'm so hungry. But listen, a standard loaded Jalapeno Whopper from burger king contains 820 calories.

[Travis]

Okay.

[Eric]

Not bad. Actually, I thought it was gonna be way more. If you're looking for variations, that is more. The Double Jalapeno Whopper. The Double jalapeno Whopper has 980 calories. And the smaller loaded jalapeno Whopper Jr. Which I can get for you if you wanna do smaller, 410 calories. But here's the interesting thing to me. So I'm always looking for more protein. I had drool in my beard. I just touched my beard and I was drooling. The loaded Jalapeno Whopper has 820 calories, 38 grams of protein.

[Travis]

Okay.

[Eric]

Okay. We don't need to worry about the milligrams of sodium. How much sodium do you think is in this?

[Travis]

This just ripped my brain up like 1400 milligrams.

[Eric]

1680. That's. Dude, honestly. So I was tracking calories like crazy and now I feel like I just know my routine of things that I'm eating. But sodium's the hardest thing not to go over on of everything in the diet. Do you find that to be the case or do you just don't care? You're like, ah, whatever. Kidney stones, bring em on.

[Travis]

Yeah, I haven't really found that to be a big issue. But I will say, though, that's why I've cut back on my LMNT subscriptions. Cause I was looking at a couple videos recently that was just like. Yeah. I mean, if you are like a, you know, like Aurora.

[Eric]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Travis]

Like, yeah. You'll probably need more sodium.

[Eric]

Oh, dude. Thousand milligrams of sodium in one element electrolyte pack. Well, Red Bull has a lot of sodium.

[Travis]

Does it?

[Eric]

Because I think that was one of the things I was like, oh, dang, I'm way over red bull. Sodium, 140 milligrams of sodium.

[Travis]

Yeah. It's like the only nutrient that the vast majority of the population gets too much of.

[Eric]

Well, salt, dude.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Anyway, so the Whopper, though, if you want some good protein, I mean, that's

[Travis]

not good protein, but it's.

[Eric]

If you want a good amount.

[Travis]

The best protein is terrible in terms of calorie to protein ratio.

[Eric]

The best burger is the protein house burger.

[Travis]

What?

[Eric]

Protein House's burger.

[Travis]

Oh. Oh, oh, yeah. Well, that's true, because that's.

[Eric]

That's so good, dude.

[Travis]

An actually healthy dude.

[Eric]

I'm so. I'm so hungry. Sorry. So, anyway, so you think it's okay for him to talk about the deficit of quality?

[Travis]

Yeah, I think so. Now, that's with the intention to fix it. Like I said, it'd be weird if he was just, like, randomly caught on a podcast being like, oh, yeah, I wouldn't go near on nuggets.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Travis]

And then not do. But like, in a press release with an article where he's like, we know this is a weakness of ours, and we're working to fix it because we want to make it better.

[Eric]

I felt like a fool when I read it because I was like, I eat the nuggets all the time.

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[Eric]

What does he know that I.

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[Eric]

No, no, but no, I was going to.

[Travis]

It's a wild choice to choose their nuggets over their chicken fries, though.

[Eric]

No, no, no. I always pick that first.

[Travis]

Okay.

[Eric]

They're. Yeah. And then when they did the spicy ones for a while. Oh, my God, dude, I'm so hungry. Anyway. No, in business in general, though, how much? Because this always comes up in the document they'll create is like, well, what happens when things are bad, you know, like. Because there is a part of business where, like, you don't want to show that you're bleeding.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Like, you don't like. Because my number one thing I hate Perception Matters. I always talk. I always talk to Tara about is like, I hate sympathy marketing. Where, like, I see a lot of authors do this. Where they'll go, I had a book signing and no one came. Yeah. Or. And a lot of times I think it's not even true. I think they take it like, when they're setting up, like, it'll be like their husband filming them and they're like, alone or their wife filming them and they're alone. And like, he brought all his books and nobody came to his signing. I'm like, first of all, that really happened. That's so sad to post that.

[Travis]

Yeah, yeah. But like, please buy my book.

[Commercial Narrator]

Yeah.

[Eric]

So, like, I don't like the sympathy marketing, but also, like, I think there's room to be like, yeah, we tried this thing. It's not working. And like, where do you think the balance is of, like, being transparent versus being, like, too transparent, where you're, like, showing. You're showing warts in your business that, like, might not be the best thing to show?

[Travis]

I just don't think it has to be a part of your marketing.

[Eric]

Well, but I'm saying, like, in terms of, like, if you're running a company and you're sharing content about it, like, like all these CEOs are trying to get into the game right now of, like, being front facing in a big way. So, like, the McDonald's guy's, like, talking about all these, like, positive, like, here's how I'm using AI to optimize my day. And here's my favorite thing at the restaurant.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

And then you got Burger King guy doing interviews going. Yeah, our nuggets aren't there yet. We're working on it. And it's like, you know, do you think there should be a balance there of, like, how much you talk about negative and positive and Yeah.

[Travis]

I mean, you shouldn't. It shouldn't be your entire content strategy. Like, it should be little morsels here and there of just transparency. And is it something that has to be addressed or something that doesn't have to be addressed? Like, is it a, you know, Ebola outbreak, like Chipotle, you know, like. Or something like that where it's like, well, you kind of have to say something about this versus just, like, you know, letting the public in on internal issues that are happening. So I think it's useful and helpful to share those things, but definitely in the right context and not too much of it, you know, because I think people understand that things don't always go well.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Travis]

You know what I mean? Like. Like Mr. Beast coming out and talking about Beast Burger and.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Travis]

Like, oh, yeah, we tried that. It didn't work.

[Eric]

Suing the company that was running. Yeah.

[Travis]

So, you know, and that's Mr. Beast. Like, you'd think anything that he does works, you know, and clearly that wasn't the case. And so for him to just come out. Yeah, that didn't work. So we're all in on Feastables, you know, and then crushed it with Feastables.

[Eric]

I love Feastables, dude.

[Travis]

They're really good.

[Eric]

I'm going to be honest.

[Travis]

The new. The new version of the chocolate bars are really good.

[Eric]

I. That. That's, like, the one thing that tempts me now when I go to movies is I look over and they have the Feastables layout now.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

And do the. Like, they did the Cosmic Crunch or whatever for Mar. And then their Crunch Bar. I love Crunch bars. That's my favorite candy if I'm gonna eat candy. And the Beast Crunch knockoff is. He doesn't like it being marketed that way. Oh, it's the Crunch. The Crunch Bar knockoff.

[Travis]

That's the Reese's Knockoff.

[Eric]

I always remember that Christian comedian growing up, and he's like, I do 100 crunches a day. They're great. They're made by Nestle. I got this pony. I'm making it, doing crunches. He talked like that. Okay. And. But anyway, Mr. Beast bars are legitimately good. And I hate to be, like, cliche, like, oh, Mr. Beast did something good. But.

[Travis]

But I think that's a good example, though, of, like, tried something, didn't work. We talked about it. Now let's move on to the next thing, you know, versus Right. Like, it feels different to me when it's like, the author with the signing. It's like you're trying to get people to buy something out of pity, which is just not going to work. I actually learned that lesson early on in door to door days because I

[Eric]

would just like, try, ma', am, buy something I can't eat.

[Travis]

I would try. I would just try stuff from, from time to time that are just like, see if this works. And I tried several times.

[Eric]

Did you ever try crying? Like when you, like when you get pulled over to get a ticket and you're like, please, officer.

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[Eric]

You're like, dude, you're considered solar.

[Travis]

Whenever I, whenever I get pulled over, I'm so filled with rage that I can't force a tear out.

[Eric]

His hands are shaking.

[Travis]

So upset. But yeah, I tried. I tried that a few times door to door and realized very quickly it doesn't work. Yeah, you know, like you can't guilt people into being like, please, I can. I just. I need to hit a bonus. And you know, like, that desperation energy is not what. Is not what seals the deal.

[Eric]

No.

[Travis]

You know what I mean? It might push somebody over the line every once in a while.

[Eric]

Well, that was always your approach when you were on the dating scene is like you were always just reeked of

[Travis]

desperation back when I was on the dating scene.

[Eric]

You were 13. Anyway, well, just to put a bow on this conversation, the Muscle builder burger at protein house has 84 grams of protein and only 892 calories.

[Travis]

See, that's a good burger right there.

[Eric]

It is. It's delicious. We should order one right now. Anyway, I'm hungry. I'm gonna go eat. Well, let's wrap up this episode.

[Travis]

The best fast food version of protein though is Chipotle's cups.

[Eric]

Oh my God, dude. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Travis]

Those are fire. Yeah, had that yesterday actually, with a little hot sauce. Anyway, that's it for this episode of the show. As we're both starving.

[Eric]

My stomach feels like a gaping.

[Travis]

It is five o' clock and neither one of us have eaten anything today. Oh, wait, 5:00pm Wait, I did that clarify.

[Eric]

I had a peanut butter bar this morning.

[Travis]

Wow, so you've been lying this whole time.

[Eric]

That definitely filled me up.

[Travis]

Yeah, I had a protein shake after the gym, so I guess I was also lying. Anyway, that's it for this episode of the show. Remember, money only solves your money problems, but it's easier to solve the rest of problems when you got some money in the bank. So let's do that first here on the Travis Makes Money podcast. Thanks for tuning in. Catch you guys next time. Peace.

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