CO-HOST | Make Money by Giving (Even When You’re Not a Billionaire)

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Podcast Summary: Travis Makes Money

Episode: CO-HOST | Make Money by Giving (Even When You’re Not a Billionaire)
Host: Travis Chappell
Guest/Co-host: Eric (Producer)
Date: March 16, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode delves into the relationship between wealth, philanthropy, and generosity, sparked by a recent Forbes article listing America's top 25 philanthropists. Travis and Eric debate whether billionaires are as generous as people think, discuss how to measure generosity, and reflect on the impact of both giving and value creation. Their conversational style blends practical advice with witty banter, and the episode challenges listeners to think critically about giving—no matter their financial status.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Forbes List: America's Top 25 Philanthropists

• Intro to Topic ([01:39])

  • Travis brings up an Instagram post from Forbes: "America's richest people are not its most generous."
    • Travis: "Are you shocked by that?"
    • Eric: "No."
  • Discussion centers on the disparity between net worth and charitable giving among America's wealthiest.

• Case Studies: Elon Musk & MacKenzie Scott ([02:47]–[03:49])

  • Musk has donated 0.08% of his $780B net worth.
    • Travis: "Elon Musk...has given $0.6 billion... only given 0.08% of his net worth throughout his lifetime."
  • MacKenzie Scott gave $7.2B in 2025, outpacing the lifetimes of other high-profile billionaires.
    • Travis: "...She gave more in 2025 than Musk, Page, Ellison, and her ex-husband Bezos have in their lifetimes combined..."

2. Redefining Generosity

• Measurement Debate ([04:19]–[05:29])

  • Eric critiques how Forbes and public opinion measure generosity, emphasizing non-monetary impact.
    • Eric: "I don't think generosity is only measured by the money you give away ... there's ways to have impact on the planet that goes beyond just giving away money."
  • Skepticism about nonprofits:
    • Eric: "...a lot of these special interest groups and 501c3s are largely political driven organizations ... a lack of transparency."

• Notable Examples & Gender Gap ([06:02])

  • Female philanthropists like MacKenzie Scott and the Schustermans receive recognition.
    • Eric: "...makes a lot of sense to me that women are out giving men."

3. Do Billionaires Owe Us More?

• Thresholds & Personal Giving Philosophy ([09:05]–[09:55])

  • Travis and Eric debate at what point a wealthy person “should” start giving, and whether there's a moral imperative.
    • Eric: "If you're not doing it when you don't have a lot, you're probably not going to do it when you do have a lot."

• Impact Beyond Donations ([09:55]–[11:55])

  • Discussion reframes value as job creation and innovation.
    • Eric: "...how many people are employed by these businesses and have a full-time generous income...that is a very large measurable impact."
  • Travis: "What point do you need to start splitting off...how do you measure that for yourself?"
  • Eric: "...if you want to give away that much money, then go for it...but I don't find much...energy should be spent trying to control others."

4. Elon Musk’s View on Business as Philanthropy ([13:13]–[13:48])

• Travis quotes Musk’s response to why he didn’t spend his Twitter purchase money on charity:
  • Musk (quoted): "My companies are intended to do good for the future of humanity ... Tesla trying to accelerate the advent of sustainable transport and energy ... SpaceX is providing Internet to the least served people..."
  • Eric: "Again, it's really easy for somebody...to point the finger and be like, well, you should do something about this because you can. It's like, well, in his mind he feels like...he is affecting the future of humanity in huge ways..."

5. Personal Responsibility and Hypocrisy in Charitable Expectations ([15:31]–[16:34])

• Travis jokes: "I think rich people are the best...When I have $146 billion net worth, I'll give some to charity. Once I hit, but not before I hit 146 billion net worth."
• Eric calls out finger-pointing from non-givers:
  • "If you're going to point the finger, I want to see what your contribution looks like as well. Like, if you're going to be like, well, you should be giving away hundreds of millions...okay, well, how much of your $80,000 salary did you give away last year? If the answer's zero, then shut up about it."

6. Scaling Generosity to Everyday People ([18:14])

• Eric argues for wider responsibility, noting the collective power of everyday giving:
  • "100 million people making 60 grand a year and giving away 10% of it is still a large amount of money...they expect all the people who have a lot of money to pick up the bill...that's like the pot calling the kettle black."

7. Media Segment: Mr. Wonderful’s Take ([19:01]–[21:29])

• Travis and Eric react to a News Nation segment with “Mr. Wonderful” (Kevin O’Leary) defending billionaire philanthropy through entrepreneurship and job creation.
• News Nation host counters with stats on American hardship.
• Both hosts consider these exchanges weak and unhelpful:
  • Travis: "That's a lazy answer."
  • Eric: "That's always like, it's a lazy question."

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Travis, on Forbes credibility ([01:23]):
  -"Forbes lost all credibility when they put you in the top 10 podcast... what is this rag?"
• Eric, on redefining generosity ([04:27]):
  • "I don't think generosity is measured in terms of donations to 501c3s. There's ways to have impact that go beyond just giving away money."
• Eric, on practicing generosity personally ([09:55]):
  • "If you're not doing it when you don't have a lot, you're probably not going to do it when you do have a lot."
• Eric, on calling out critics ([16:05]):
  • "How much of your $80,000 salary did you give away last year? If the answer is zero, then shut up about it."
• Travis, on personal giving ([15:31]):
  • "When I have $146 billion net worth, I'll give some to charity. Once I hit, but not before I hit 146 billion net worth."
• Eric, on value creation ([09:55]):
  • "How many people are employed by these businesses and have a full-time generous income ... that is a very, very large measurable impact as well."
• Musk, as quoted by Travis ([13:13]):
  • "My companies are intended to do good for the future of humanity ... With Tesla...SpaceX is providing Internet to the least served people around the world..."
• Travis, on spending to support billionaires ([16:34]):
  • "If you're wanting Jeff Bezos to give more to charity but you're giving all your extra money to Jeff Bezos, who's the real problem here?"

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Forbes Article Overview: [01:39]–[03:49]
• Generosity Measurement & Critique: [04:19]–[05:29]
• Philanthropy Thresholds & Philosophy: [09:05]–[09:55]
• Musk on Corporate Philanthropy: [13:13]–[13:48]
• Calling Out Hypocrisy: [15:31]–[16:34]
• Scaling Giving for Non-Billionaires: [18:14]
• News Nation Segment & Reaction: [19:01]–[21:29]

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Closing Thoughts

Eric summarizes his stance:

• "I just don't enjoy the exercise of telling other people what they should do with their stuff when they have earned that stuff, whether it's a platform or it's money...I can't control it. So why be irritated about it all the time?" ([23:20])

Travis wraps with humor but underscores a key principle:

• "Money only solves your money problems, but it’s easier to solve the rest of your problems with money in the bank. So let's start there." ([24:02])

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Takeaways & Tone

• Empowering, Irreverent, Practical: Travis and Eric push listeners to consider their own habits and responsibilities rather than merely critiquing billionaires.
• Measuring Impact: The episode challenges the narrow definition of generosity as strictly monetary giving.
• Universal Action: Giving isn’t just for the ultra-wealthy—everyone can develop a habit of generosity.

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Useful for anyone considering what real generosity means—and how to practice it—at any income level.

Transcript

[Travis]

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[Eric]

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[Travis]

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[Eric]

You're listening to the Travis Makes Money podcast presented by GoHighLevel.com for a free 30 day trial of the best all in one digital marketing software tool on the planet, just go to gohighlevel.com travis. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Travis Makes Money podcast where it's our mission to help you make more money today on the show. My producer Eric is here. What's up, man?

[Travis]

Hey, what's going on? I'm super pumped. Today we are going to read Forbes.

[Eric]

Wait, let me get the music.

[Travis]

Then Forbes is like the news. Turn it a little lower. Hey, guys, today we're gonna read Forbes. See, it doesn't make it exciting when you see that.

[Eric]

It's really. Yeah, but he didn't say with any excitement.

[Travis]

Forbes is a brand to me. Just evokes. I'm waiting for my haircut appointment and I'm there early and they only have Forbes on the counter.

[Eric]

It's the opposite for me.

[Travis]

So you read Forbes?

[Eric]

I think I actually subscribed to the Forbes magazine.

[Travis]

Forbes lost all credibility when they put you in the top 10 podcast. Podcast to change your life. Okay, well, then I was like, forbes, what is this rag?

[Eric]

This is ridiculous.

[Travis]

I called it a rag.

[Eric]

I will not stand for this.

[Travis]

I call this, this public. Hey, this publication's a rag.

[Eric]

That was the best article Forbes ever published.

[Travis]

Forbes put out an article and it was about America's top 25 philanthropists. And the reason that this caught my eye was there was a graph that they put out on Instagram and it said, America's richest people are not its most generous. Are you shocked by that?

[Eric]

No.

[Travis]

Oh, okay, well, let me. Okay, well, let me first. Let me first say this. You often say that wealthy people are often some of the most generous. So you're wrong. And here.

[Eric]

Well, well, I don't think generosity is only measured by the money you give away.

[Travis]

Confucius say, that sounds like what they would say, oh, I could give you money, but this, I give you more.

[Eric]

This, I give you more. Yeah, well said.

[Travis]

Okay. Anyway, so America's richest people are not the most generous. And they did this graph of their estimated lifetime giving and then their net worth. So you can see the blue is the giving and then the net worth is the light blue.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Travis]

But then it's a crazy carousel because you think it's kind of nutso. So, like for example, they have Elon Musk, who's given $0.6 billion.

[Eric]

Okay.

[Travis]

And his net worth is $780 billion.

[Eric]

$780 billion.

[Travis]

So he's only given 0.8% of his net worth throughout his lifetime.

[Eric]

0.08%.

[Travis]

That's what I said, right?

[Eric]

You said 0.8.

[Travis]

Oh, I don't want to give him anything extra. Point 0.08.

[Eric]

No, 0.08 is less than 0.8.

[Travis]

Yeah, I know. So I'm saying I want to give him more.

[Eric]

I see.

[Travis]

I'll put it there. But anyway, so, so force put out an article. It said Mackenzie Scott's $26 billion giving sprint in seven years, including a record 7.2 billion last year, makes her the third biggest philanthropist of all time. She gave more in 2025 than Musk, Paige Ellison and her ex husband Bezos have in their lifetimes combined. How's that hit you when you first read that? Yeah, you just go. You just read that and go, dang.

[Eric]

Yeah. Yeah, that is, that is wild.

[Travis]

So, so what I'm hearing you say is rich people are greedy. We should eat the rich.

[Eric]

Eat the rich?

[Travis]

Is that what you're saying?

[Eric]

No billionaires. Hashtag no billionaires.

[Travis]

Okay.

[Eric]

Yeah, I was, I actually, I don't know if I saw this exact post, but there was a post that I saw that was adjacent to this, talking about how much money McKenzie Scott gave away. A bunch of the comments were just like, well, she's giving away money that was given to her.

[Travis]

I mean, that's. But most people given billions of dollars would not give any of it away. So either way, I, I don't see the.

[Eric]

I just, I don't find, I don't find much. This sort of goes into like the do what you want with your platform thing. Yeah, I think, like do what you want with your billions thing. And because like I said, I don't think that generosity is measured in terms of donations to 501c3s. Like there's ways to have impact on the planet that goes beyond, no, just giving away money. Especially because a lot of these special interest groups and, and, and five 1C3s are largely political driven organizations that have a lot of stuff that, like the complete lack of transparency and it makes it seem like you're giving away money, but you're not actually giving away money. You're really just buying votes and things like that. So like, I don't know, I don't have much of an opinion on it because I don't know what the inner workings of their businesses look like. I don't know what even their contribution looks like. How is that measured? Is it only donations to non profits or is there other things that are being considered in that? So, yeah, I don't, I don't know. I don't know really what to make of that, to be honest with you.

[Travis]

America's foremost generous billionaire philanthropists are as measured by the percentage of their fortune that they have doled out to unaffiliated non profits. Yeah, George Soros, he's buying all those protesters, eh?

[Eric]

Generous guy.

[Travis]

When you say George Soros around the wrong people, they just, they go, well, what'd you say? Soros. He's the one causing all this. Then you got Lynn and Stacy Schusterman, mackenzie Scott.

[Eric]

I don't even know who that is.

[Travis]

John and Laura Arnold. I will say shout out to the ladies.

[Eric]

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me that, that women are out giving. Men.

[Travis]

Shout out. Ladies, can you say really quick for a clip that your favorite types of people are ladies and George Soros? I'd like to post that.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Travis]

No one has ever given away more money as fast as Scott. In less than seven years, Scott, who has disposed of more than 75% of the AMAZ shares she received from Bezos, has donated 26.4 billion to more than 2500 groups. Only Warren Buffett, Bill Gates and Melinda French Gates have donated more, but in both cases over a much longer time. That's crazy, brother.

[Eric]

That is insane.

[Travis]

That is crazy.

[Eric]

Insane.

[Travis]

Altogether, 17 of the top 25 givers have given away at least 10% of their net worth. But only one of the top 12 richest people in America has reached the threshold. Do you know who it is? Did you already read it?

[Eric]

No, I don't.

[Travis]

Who do you think it is?

[Eric]

I don't know.

[Travis]

Who do you think it is? Who do you think it is?

[Eric]

McKenzie.

[Travis]

Scott. He said, I think he said that he wants to die with zero, right?

[Eric]

I don't know.

[Travis]

He's giving. He's making a point to give away a lot.

[Eric]

Who?

[Travis]

Warren Buffett. Really? He's the top philanthropist of all time.

[Eric]

That's a pretty sweet title thing to be known.

[Travis]

I feel like, was it him that did the die with zero thing? Like, but I'M saying, I thought he was kind of following that mentality because if you look at the graphics, Warren Buffett has given away $68.3 billion. That's a nuts.

[Eric]

So it's quite a.

[Travis]

He's worth 146 billion. So if you look at his graph, he's pretty, Pretty giving. He's making up for the gap there.

[Eric]

Yeah, yeah.

[Travis]

So shout out. But not. Not generous enough to make the top 25 cut. Elon Musk and Larry Page, the world's two richest people who are together worth more than $1 trillion.

[News Nation Host]

Wow.

[Eric]

I didn't know the Larry Page was higher than Jeff Bezos.

[Travis]

Wow, that's.

[Eric]

I mean, it's pretty crazy.

[Travis]

Who's Larry Page? Is he a author?

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Travis]

Is he? No. Oh, okay.

[Eric]

Co founder of Google.

[Travis]

Oh.

[Eric]

Along with Sergey Brin.

[Travis]

I'm not surprised.

[Eric]

Just under Jeff Bezos. Pretty crazy. So they share. If. If that was one founder, then they would be. Well, actually, they would still be under.

[Travis]

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[Eric]

Come on the podcast. Let's talk about it.

[Travis]

Okay. Okay. To be fair here, you did say something. I knew you were going to say this. That's why I brought this up. It's not just the things that you give away, it's also the things you create, the things that can arguably do good in the world. Yeah. Let me ask you this. How much should you be driven by what you're ultimately giving back? Like, because obviously part of. Part of. Part of your entrepreneur. Entrepreneurial journey. I can almost say it, Entrepreneurial journey is to put yourself in a better position. Yeah. At what point do you need to start splitting off? Like, is it once you reach a certain threshold, like, I need half my time is for others, or once I hit this point, everything past that is for. Like, how do you measure that for yourself? Where you go, this for me, this is for the world?

[Eric]

I think if you're not doing it when you don't have a lot, you're probably not going to do it when you do have a lot. So it's just more like a percentage that continues to increase in terms of volume because your total gets bigger, the total pie gets bigger so you can give away more just because that piece of the pie gets bigger over time. But I think if you're waiting for a magical moment that, to where I'm going to start giving back to other people or start helping other people do stuff. I don't think that you, there's always going to be things that you're going to find that you'll, that you would rather prioritize for yourself. So the sooner that you can put that into your financial system, the better. Even if it's five bucks or three bucks or what, you know, whatever, whatever that is for you, it's not necessarily a matter of the volume that you're giving away. It's more of like a, what are you, what's the impact that you're going to have on this person that you could potentially impact, even if it's not really that much? So that's my, my personal philosophy, but also in terms of like, like what you said before is creating value for the world is not a matter. It's like, it's easy to say when you're somebody who doesn't have a lot of money to point the finger and be like, your net worth is this much, therefore you should have given this much, or you should not be allowed to have a net worth that's more than that and you should have to give all anyway. After that it's really easy to point the finger and say those things. But also if you look at that top 10 and say like, how many people are employed by these businesses and have a full time generous income to be able to provide for their families for the rest of their lives because of the ventures that these people have, have taken on or because of the, the work that these people have put in or the, the products these people are making, you know that that is a very, very large measurable impact as well. It's not just a matter of how much money you give away should probably, but I don't feel like I'm in a position where I can be like, you should give away all your money because you have so much more than everybody else does. So I, I don't know, I tend to just be like, okay, well if you want to give away that much money, then go for it. You know, like, go build a trillion dollar business and give away all the money if you want to, but I don't find much. Like there's not much. Again, it's sort of like the things that I have control over versus the things I don't have control over. It's like I have no control over whether or not a billionaire gives away more money than I think that they should. Or it's like, who, who am I to decide what point is enough or what point you should have to give it away or. You know what I mean? I just, I find those conversations to be more like a dead end in my mind because it takes away a lot of energy, but it doesn't actually do anything.

[Travis]

What, 10 minutes left. I hope it's not a dead end conversation. Well, here's what, here's what Elon Musk had to say.

[Eric]

Okay.

[Travis]

He said, what is the wildest night? I should do a list of. Here's 10 quotes from top entrepreneurs. And it's just like emails, all of their emails. By the way, just side note, do you see Peter A stepped out of cbs? No, he left his job. He resigned.

[Eric]

Did he really?

[Travis]

I think there's probably some heavy, there's probably a heavy hand on that decision.

[Eric]

Yeah, but you should probably resign. Huh?

[Travis]

We're not gonna fire you. But you can't work.

[Eric]

If you want to have some grace, then you should resign.

[Travis]

But here's what, here's what Musk said.

[Eric]

Why didn't you use the money that you purchased Twitter with to do something for charity, Philanthropy more good with that money? Well, I do do a lot of things philanthropically. My companies are intended to do good for the future of humanity. With Tesla trying to accelerate the advent of sustainable transport and energy, and SpaceX is providing Internet to the least served people around the world. Aspirationally, I am trying to do good for humanity. Why didn't you.

[Travis]

You. He's in a tux, he looks like a super villain, which isn't good luck. That's not good.

[Eric]

Or superhero, depending on how you look at it.

[Travis]

Depending how you look at it. I don't know if you could see

[Eric]

this right now, but that, that is sort of how I feel about those types of things. It's like, again, it's really easy for somebody, just somebody who's got a regular salary, living a regular life to point the finger and be like, well, you should, you should do something about this because you can. It's like, well, in his mind he feels like, well, I, I feel like I am affecting the future of humanity huge ways by trying to, you know, have sustainable Energy or by trying to launch satellites all across the planet so everybody can have access to knowledge and information and the Internet and be able to start building economies in this place that this was not able to even reach them yet. So I don't know. That's why I feel like I, I, it's hard for me to be like, it's hard for me to tell other people to, to do something with the thing that they've built, whether it's their platform, like another influencer, to be like, well, you should be speaking about these things with your platform and you built and you owe it to us now in order to keep this. You should be speaking out about these particular things that are important to me or you should be giving to these projects that are important to me. It's just like, I just don't find a ton of value in that. And I don't find that it's helpful for, for like, my mental energy to pour energy into thinking about that, because I don't have any control over whether or not they're actually going to do it. So follow them or unfollow them or talk about it. Don't talk about it. They're going to keep doing what they're going to keep doing. But I don't think that, like, I don't think that the government should get involved and be, well, you're not allowed to have more than a $10 billion net worth, so you have to give it all away now. Like, I don't find that helpful or useful. So if that's not going to happen, then why am I going to spend more time thinking about it? That's kind of how I feel about it. Why don't you tell me what you're thinking about it then?

[Travis]

I think rich people are the best and they should have it all. Take my money now. I think when I have $146 billion net worth, I'll give some to charity.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Travis]

Once I hit, but not before I hit 146 billion net worth.

[Eric]

Well, it's funny is that you have a bunch of, like, my thing is, if you're going to point the finger, I want to see what your contribution looks like as well. Like, if you're going to be like, well, you should be giving away hundreds of millions of dollars or billions of dollars because you have this much. It's like, okay, well, how much of your $80,000 salary did you give away last year? If the answer is zero, then shut up about it.

[Travis]

Shut up.

[Eric]

You're not even doing anything with the ability that you have. So what makes you think you'd be any different if you had more money? It's easy to be like, well, if I had that much money, I would do this. It's like, well, but even do anything with the money that you currently have, like, you don't. You use your free time to close the bar on the weekends and spend all your money on beer with your buddies. But you expect this person who's running 17 companies and employing 800,000 people to, you know, give all their money away? It just, I don't know, doesn't make sense to me.

[Travis]

You could say if you're wanting Jeff Bezos to give more to charity, but you're giving all your extra money to Jeff Bezos, who's the real problem here?

[Eric]

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[Eric]

You know, I'm saying like 100 million people making 60 grand a year and giving away 10% of it is still a large amount of money. It's just that they don't view themselves as being in a position of being able to give away money, so they still don't do it. So they expect all the people who have a lot of money to pick up the to to to fund the bill on that. And I just don't think that, like, that's like the pot calling the kettle black to me. It's just like you're. You're doing the same. Doing the same thing or worse. You know, it's still like, these people have still given away more money than you will ever see in your lifetime, and you're still sitting there doing nothing with the money that you currently make. So stop throwing stones in the glass house.

[Travis]

You know who talked about. I just. I just saw this. Mr. Wonderful talked about billionaires and charitable giving.

[Eric]

What did he say?

[Travis]

He was on News Nation.

[Eric]

That's a thing.

[Travis]

He was on News Nation. Anybody listening? Your grandparents watch News Nation.

[Eric]

I don't think I've ever heard of News Nation.

[Travis]

Are you joking? I've watched. I had to subscribe.

[Eric]

Is that like, oan?

[Travis]

Yeah, pretty much the ruling class in

[News Nation Host]

America, both political class and business class, understanding of how so much. How 50% of America feels.

[Guest Entrepreneur]

You know, I understand this narrative, but what's always lost in it is how much these individuals give back. From Warren Buffett on down. Just yesterday, Michael Dell was probably worth 50 billion. Gave 6.2 billion back to the Trump accounts to kids that are born so they get $1,000 each. I mean, what we don't give credit to. To these extremely successful entrepreneurs that create hundreds of thousands of jobs in America. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions. And all those people pay taxes and they turn around and give all their wealth back. I just want to do a shout out for that, because it's lost in this narrative of inequality. It really is, and it's a huge mistake. What's made the American economy work for over 200 years is entrepreneurship. It's the idea.

[News Nation Host]

No one's disputing that, though. No, nobody's disputing that. And nobody's saying that that somehow is lost. I think what people are saying is, is that much of the ruling class in America and the wealthy in America don't understand how hard the rest of America has it. This from Politico, December 10th. 45% of Americans say they struggle to afford groceries. 38% housing, 34% healthcare. No one is begrudging those who have done well. I think there's a lot of Americans who say, how does. When we can't enjoy or take part in this. Mr.

[Travis]

Wonderful is licking his lips.

[News Nation Host]

It goes back to this question of how Donald Trump is handling the economy. Do you think he is recognizing, appreciating, and dealing with how so many Americans feel?

[Guest Entrepreneur]

Well, this narrative has gone on forever. I mean, you know, you've got Very successful entrepreneurs. We're talking about them now. You have the number one economy on earth. Never been beaten, including by the Chinese. People have to ask themselves, would I rather live here or in Cuba or anywhere else?

[News Nation Host]

Fair enough.

[Travis]

I mean, that's a lazy answer. I think that's always my.

[Eric]

That's always like, it's a lazy question.

[Travis]

I feel like there's two lazy fellas just ping ponging back and forth.

[Eric]

It wasn't a great question. Sort of all over the place.

[Travis]

I don't get why the guy from Marty supreme is on this talk show.

[Eric]

He's a good actor.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

They wanted his advice.

[Travis]

They're like, we need someone to play a. Yeah, no nonsense businessman who's a little shady segment. Can you play yourself for a couple weeks? And he said yes. How much? How much are you paying me to do that? Anyway, I did it for free. Well, that was kind of a boring segment, but it's kind of quality content you expect from News Nation, am I right?

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Travis]

You're like, I just heard about the moment ago. You know what's really funny? I'll close on this because this is important and it's about being wise with your finances. I wanted to listen to an interview by Pastor you and I both know for my podcast. And they were doing a interview on. It was either News Nation or Newsmax, one of those two. And so I had to. I subscribed to Glsen.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Travis]

Then they said nothing that was worth even talking about on the interview. And then I forgot and I got billed for like three months for News

[Eric]

Nation, which is why news places are going under. I, I cannot stand that. You know how many looking for something and it's like, subscribe to the New York Times. Like, I don't want to subscribe. I just want to see what this article.

[Travis]

There's so many stories I've covered on my show where I'll pay like A$99 to get a story from like Cincinnati.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Travis]

It's like you're subscribed to the Cincinnati times. I'm like six months later. I've spent $10 on Cincinnati news.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Travis]

And all the articles are about Cincinnati chili restaurants opening. And then the one article I needed wasn't even that great and I found it somewhere. It's a mess.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Travis]

Anyway, well, I know that you have to go, so go ahead and close.

[Eric]

My wrap up point is basically like, I just don't, I don't enjoy the exercise of telling other people what they should do with their stuff when they have earned that stuff, whether it's a platform or it's money or it's something like that. It's like I can have some opinions because in a day, like, I can't control it. So why be irritated about it all the time?

[Travis]

You know that's an exercise you can't get into. From the looks today, it doesn't look like you've ever found an exercise you can get into. Junk. Go ahead and close this up.

[Eric]

Whose daughter said something about their belly over their swim trunks?

[Travis]

Wow. Close this out. You have a large. I have a rotund. I have a rotund build. It's the biggest man.

[Eric]

Anyway, remember, money only solves your money problems, but it's easier to solve the rest of your problems with money in the bank. So let's start there. You're on the Travis Makes Money podcast. Thanks for tuning in. Catch you next time. Peace.