CO-HOST | Make Money by Knowing What You’re Willing to Sacrifice

Summary

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Travis Makes Money — Episode Summary

Episode: Make Money by Knowing What You’re Willing to Sacrifice

Host: Travis Chappell
Date: April 7, 2026
Co-Host: (Producer, possibly Eric)

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Episode Overview

In this engaging episode of Travis Makes Money, Travis Chappell sits down in-studio with his producer/co-host (possibly Eric) to break down a viral social media "stitch" featuring Mr. Beast and Alex Hormozi. They dive deep into the realities of success, the necessary sacrifices behind massive achievements, and why self-awareness—not comparison—should drive your own financial and life choices. The conversation is peppered with sports analogies, honest admissions, and practical wisdom about building wealth and fulfillment on your own terms.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Viral “Stitch” — What High Achievers Sacrifice

Timestamps: 03:26–04:25

• Mr. Beast’s Perspective:

  • Quote:

    “If my mental health was a priority, I wouldn’t be as successful as I am... There’s a reason no one makes videos like me... No one wants to live the life I live.”
    (Mr. Beast, 03:54)

  • He openly admits that the extreme sacrifices required to stand alone in his field involve deprioritizing his own mental health.

• Alex Hormozi’s Reflection:

  • Quote:

    “This is where most people stop and this is why they don’t win.”
    (Alex Hormozi, 04:14)

  • Hormozi highlights that breakthrough often happens just past the point where most give up—a mental edge differentiates outliers.

• Travis’ Take:

  • Recognizes these are not universally applicable paths.
    Quote:

    "That’s why there’s only one Mr. Beast. That’s why there’s only one Alex Hormozi... I do not accept that trade-off personally."
    (Travis, 04:30–05:50)

2. Self-Awareness vs. Imitation

Timestamps: 05:50–06:26; 27:25–29:04

• Travis stresses that it is crucial to discern what you actually want out of life and what sacrifices you’re personally willing to make.
• He warns against envying icons without accepting their sacrifices:

  "My issue is when I see people who... want to be Mr. Beast, but they’re not willing to sacrifice the things Mr. Beast has been willing to sacrifice."
  (Travis, 05:50)

3. Sports Analogy: There’s Only One Michael Jordan, But Thousands of Pros

Timestamps: 11:16–13:04; 14:02–15:19

• Most successful people aren’t global superstars; and that’s okay:
  • "There’s only one Michael Jordan, but there’s been thousands of people who’ve played in the NBA and made a pretty damn good living doing it."
    (Travis, 11:16)
• Discussion extends to Kobe and Shaq’s post-career pivots—success evolves over time, and so do priorities.

4. Mental Health: Is Extreme Sacrifice Always Worth It?

Timestamps: 14:31–18:52

• Co-host (Eric) questions if high achievement always comes at the expense of mental health:
  • Uses Shaquille O’Neal as an example of someone who hustles relentlessly but appears to maintain some balance.
• Travis responds with Shaq’s own admissions of regret and his advice to his son about prioritizing family over relentless pursuit:

  "Even Shaq, on his advice to his own son... was like, ‘don't be like me... you should probably... spend more time with your kids than I spent with you.’"
  (Travis, 18:05)

5. Defining Success: The “Cooler, Closer, Cleaner” Framework

Timestamps: 19:59–21:03

• Referencing Tim Grover’s “Relentless”, Travis and co-host break down three types of performers:
  • Coolers: Do the minimum
  • Closers: Excel in the right situations
  • Cleaners: Dominate relentlessly, regardless of circumstance
• Both hosts admit they don’t aspire to be “Cleaners”—that trade-off isn’t worthwhile to them.

6. Modern Success and Social Connection

Timestamps: 21:03–26:09

• Discussion of how generational attitudes have evolved:
  • LeBron James is contrasted with Michael Jordan—LeBron maintains friendships and collaboration, proving you can win differently now.
  • Social media and changing times have made mental health and community more central.

7. How Much Should You Push? The “Quit Point”

Timestamps: 10:05–10:52; 26:27–27:25

• Most quit at the first sign of pain. Sometimes, going “one step further” than average is all that’s needed.

• Example: Most podcasts die after 7 episodes. If you push to 8, you’re already above average.

  "The first time you experience any pain is when most people quit. Can you push a little bit further? It doesn’t mean you have to sacrifice four marriages... you can go a little bit further and do something."
  (Co-host, 26:27)

8. The Bottom Line: Engineer the Life You Want

Timestamps: 27:25–30:16

• Travis’s core advice is to consciously choose which sacrifices fit the outcomes you want.
• Quote:

  "It just comes down to a level of self awareness to know... what you’re willing to trade for what you want out of life."
  (Travis, 27:25)

• There’s no universal “right” answer. Your “enough” is yours to define.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On High Achievement & Sacrifice:

  “If my mental health was a priority, I wouldn’t be as successful as I am... There’s a reason no one makes videos like me.”
  Mr. Beast, 03:54

• Facing Pain as a Filter for Winners:

  “This is where most people stop and this is why they don’t win.”
  Alex Hormozi, 04:14

• Self-Awareness is Key:

  "My issue is when I see people who... want that life, but they're not willing to sacrifice the things that Mr. Beast has been willing to sacrifice."
  Travis, 05:50

• There Are Many Paths to Success:

  “There’s only one Michael Jordan, but there’s been thousands of people who’ve played in the NBA and made a pretty damn good living doing it...”
  Travis, 11:16

• Co-host’s Encouragement:

  “The first time you experience any pain is when most people quit. Can you push a little bit further? ...you can go a little bit further and do something.”
  Co-host, 26:27

• On Prioritizing Family:

  “Don’t be like me because I’m a crazy person... when you get married, be there for your family, hang out with your kids, spend more time with your kids than I spent with you.”
  Travis recalling Shaq’s advice to his son, 18:05

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• Wayne’s World rabbit hole, setting the tone (00:41–03:26)
• Mr. Beast & Hormozi “sacrifice” clip, main topic introduction (03:26–04:25)
• Travis contextualizes sacrifice vs. desire (04:25–06:26)
• Sports analogies: why there’s room for many levels of success (11:16–13:06)
• Discussion on pivoting and evolving priorities (Kobe, Shaq, LeBron) (13:15–21:03)
• Defining your version of success, “cooler, closer, cleaner” (19:59–21:03)
• Modern era success, mental health, and pushing back on old models (21:03–26:09)
• Encouragement: Push a bit further, don’t quit too soon (26:27–27:25)
• Final takeaway: Self-awareness and choosing your own path (27:25–30:16)

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Episode Tone and Style

• Friendly, self-deprecating humor
• Thoughtful, honest, and practical—open about trade-offs and not glorifying hustle for its own sake
• Uses analogies from sports, pop culture, and personal coaching experiences to make points relatable

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Bottom Line

This episode of Travis Makes Money isn’t about glorifying extreme sacrifice or idolizing billionaires. Instead, Travis and his co-host dissect the realities behind outsized success, drive home the need for self-awareness, and encourage listeners to design their own definition of “enough.” While you can do more than most if you choose, you’re not required to burn out to live a rich and fulfilling life. Decide what you want, know what you’re willing to trade for it, and admire others’ journeys without feeling pressured to copy them.

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Transcript

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[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

You're listening to the Travis Makes Money podcast presented by GoHighLevel.com for a free 30 day trial of the best all in one digital marketing software tool on the planet, just go to gohighlevel.com travis. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to the Travis Makes Money podcast, where it's our mission to help you make more money. Today on the show, my producer is here in studio.

[Producer or Co-host]

What's up, man?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

What's going on?

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

Looks like you have some clips to

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

pull up or talk about a clip.

[Producer or Co-host]

Hey, clip.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

I always say, whenever I say. Do you know what I'm referencing when I do that? Ah, yeah.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

No.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

Okay. Have you ever seen Wayne's World?

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

No.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

Okay, so in Wayne's World, he has a crazy ex girlfriend. Let me find the clip. Actually say something interesting while I pull this up.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

Now, now that we're on this rabbit hole, it's essential that we close this loop.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

Okay? This is the. I always think of this scene. It's so funny. So he. So Wayne, the titular character of Wayne's World, has a crazy ex girlfriend and she gets him a very bizarre gift. And I think it's in this clip. But if not, you're going to listen to a clip that has to do with aa.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

Oh, don't look. Stacy.

[Wayne's World Character (Stacy)]

Where.

[Wayne's World Character (Wayne)]

Oh, God. I made eye.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

Psycho hose beast. Yeah, hate everything about you.

[Wayne's World Character (Stacy)]

Happy anniversary, Wayne.

[Wayne's World Character (Wayne)]

Stacy, we broke up two months ago.

[Wayne's World Character (Stacy)]

Well, that doesn't mean we can't still go out.

[Wayne's World Character (Wayne)]

Well, it does, actually. That's what breaking up is.

[Wayne's World Character (Stacy)]

Will, are you gonna go to the Gasworks tonight?

[Wayne's World Character (Wayne)]

No.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

No.

[Wayne's World Character (Stacy)]

Don't you want to open your present?

[Wayne's World Character (Wayne)]

If it's a severed head, I'm gonna be very upset.

[Producer or Co-host]

Open it.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

Okay.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

Okay.

[Wayne's World Character (Wayne)]

What is it?

[Wayne's World Character (Stacy)]

It's a gun rack.

[Wayne's World Character (Wayne)]

A gun rack. A gun rack.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

Yeah, right.

[Wayne's World Character (Wayne)]

I don't even own a gun, let alone many guns that would necessitate an entire rack. What am I gonna do?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

I always think of that. I don't even own a gun, let alone many guns that would necessitate an entire rack. I can't believe you've never seen that movie.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

I have not.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

That's such a good.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

I should. I should.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

That's such a good movie. Anyway, so I have a clip. What are we doing? I have a clip. I don't even. I Have a clip. Not many clips that would necessitate an entire episode of clips. Is that fine?

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

That's good.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

What a reference, huh?

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

Now I understand.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

So anytime you hear. But I do that. I do do that a lot. And nobody. The. The other one for that movie is. He'll go. He puts his hair behind his ear and he goes, pardon me, Baking powder. Because he said, bp. Beg your pardon? Baking powder. So I always say that sometimes, too. I do that all the time, and people don't get it.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

I always do that sometimes.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

I always do it occasionally. No, but I do sometimes.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

I always do.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

I do it because my mom likes Wayne's World, so I do that. Baking powder.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

And she always laughs sometimes.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

But she's also getting older, so sometimes she laughs at things because she's confused a little bit. I'm just kidding. My mom's not that old. I don't know why I said that. Let's play the clip. Play the clip. Here we go.

[Mr. Beast (Clip)]

If my mental health was a priority, I wouldn't be.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

This is Mr. Beast. And now Alex Hermosi is in front of Mr. Beast reacting solemnly. And we're going to put you.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

This is Mr. Beast on Diary CEO.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

This is.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

Alex is watching.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

This is a stitch. This is a stitch of Mr. Beast. This is a stitch of Alex hormozi reacting to Mr. Beast.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

And we're going to react to the reaction.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

I'm going to stitch you next to hermosi reacting to Mr. Beast, and then Hermosi is going to react to you reacting. Here we go.

[Mr. Beast (Clip)]

If my mental health was a priority, I wouldn't be as successful as I am. I mean, that's just, like, a sad fact. There's a reason no one makes videos like me. Like, not even close. Because no one wants to live the life I live. That's something I always tell myself is how you feel right now is why no one else does what you want to do or does what you do. And if you push through this, that's just even, you know, more of a reason why no one will ever be who you are.

[Alex Hormozi (Clip)]

This clip reminds me of something that I wrote that's pretty meaningful to me. Whenever I get to a low point where I think, why do I even bother? I just try to remind myself, this is where most people stop and this is why they don't win.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

Yeah, I agree.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

You do?

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

I do agree.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

So you should sacrifice your mental health for your life.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

But here's the thing. That's why there's only one Mr. Beast. That's why there's only one Alex Ramosi

[Producer or Co-host]

that's I like, I am.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

And I'm sure both of them would say the same thing that they were saying that they're, they're not necessarily recommending to everybody that this is the life that they should choose. And it probably realistically is a bad idea for the majority of people who are watching that. But if you are somebody who feels called to have that level of a mission in life, then there is almost no other way to accomplish it. Like there's just some people who are just the crazies of the world. The Michael Jordans. Yeah. And the Mr. Beasts or, or Kobe or you know, Elon Musk or whatever. It's like they, by def. They're, they are absolutely abnormal. And I don't want to mirror my life after any of them because I have figured out for me personally that I don't want to like, I do not accept that trade off personally. But that's the beautiful thing about life is that I can watch people like that and I can respect and admire and appreciate people like that but then look at it and go like they're right. But that does not necessitate me to also engage in that activity, to have that end result if I don't want that end result. But it's also like my, my issue is when I see people who watch that and go like that's. But then they also want that life. They want to be Mr. Beast, but they're not willing to sacrifice the things that Mr. Beast has been willing to sacrifice in order to become that version of himself. It's like that is where there's, I, I see a bit of a problem. It's like when you have the same desires and same goals as all these people and then you whine and complain about the fact that you' getting where you want to go because you're not willing to do what they're willing to do. That's, that's where it. You, you start to lose me. Like it's more of a self awareness conversation than it is anything else.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

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[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

I do. The thing I like about this video is the idea that, like, when you're experiencing like a heavy moment or it's getting hard, it's like this is where most people stop, which I think is like a. Again, we always talk about sprints, but it's like the thing of, like, when you push yourself and you feel like you're just about to quit and you realize you can push yourself a little bit further, that's a really exciting thing. And it kind of reminds me of the Kobe Bryant thing of, you know, if everybody's working out once a day, if I work out three times a day.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

Right.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

I'm going to be three times better than everybody else. And I think that's similar, like with volume of content or with, you know, the amount of prep that goes into episodes or that within the podcasting space or whatever that looks like, you know, I think that is really solid advice.

[Producer or Co-host]

Yeah.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

For basically everybody.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

For basically. Yeah, for basically everyone. Because, like, even if you don't want to be like the type of person Tim Grover described, like the cleaner, where it's like, yeah, I sacrifice everything in pursuit of one goal. Not everybody's going to do that. You know what I mean? But on the flip side of that, like, everyone can do a little bit more, right? Like, that's the piece that I think is really beneficial there.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

Because here's the thing, there's only one Michael Jordan, but there's been thousands of people who've played in the NBA and made a pretty damn good living doing it, and it's crazy. And got to play basketball for a living, for their career, and then they just. The, you know, smart ones anyway Took whatever salary they earned and put it away and invested in a couple businesses and like, they'll never have to do anything again because they were in that opportunity vehicle. But they are also not Michael Jordan. You know, they're not billionaires. They don't sell sneakers globally. They're not icons. Like, they're, they probably most people would not even know, you know, 95% of the people's names who've ever been a professional basketball player or a professional YouTuber, professional NFL, whatever you want to, you know, label, you know, a savage entrepreneur or whatever, you may not, you're not going to have that icon status, but there's still levels of the game where you can have enough self awareness to understand, like, I don't desire to be Michael Jordan. Whereas like, someone like Kobe obviously definitely desired that and then lived the life that was in accordance with the goals that he had. So you, it's really sort of an introspection thing. Like, are you willing to sacrifice all of these things? And to be fair to Mr. Beast, he's still crazy young, you know what I mean? Like, he has the advantage of starting doing what he does now when he was 12, and now he's been doing it for, you know, like 15 years, but he's still only 26 or 27 or something like that. So he might, in five, 10 years or now go, actually, I think I to have a family and you know, and I don't foresee this happening, but it is something that somebody like him, who I think has a high degree of self awareness, would be willing to have that conversation with himself when he's 36 and be like, you know what? I, I don't, I don't care to get the next billion view video. I don't care to reach the 10 billion subscriber mark or whatever.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

Crazy. I've done it, you know.

[Producer or Co-host]

Yeah.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

Or, or he'll switch to be like, oh, you know what, let's focus on

[Producer or Co-host]

building feastables or let's focus on doing

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

this nonprofit thing or whatever.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

When you interviewed Matt Barnes, you guys talked about, why am I bringing all the sports examples? You know, when you were talking to Matt Barnes, I know you're a big sports guy about Kobe. No, but I remember he was talking about, you know what? Obviously one of the things he said was tragic about Kobe Bryant's passing was that when he would talk to him, he was just about to make that pivot from like being the kind of the Mamba, the basketball player, this kind of elusive figure, to being more focused on business and he was writing kids books and, like, was getting ready for

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

a short that he made.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

Academy Award.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

Yeah. I mean, Oscar. Sorry.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

Yeah. But it's like, it's like he was about to make that pivot and it's really. It would have been really interesting to see what that would have looked like. Because obviously amazing to watch the first pivot that he did. He got an Oscar.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

Right.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

You know what I mean?

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

So, like, obviously within, like two years of retiring with one of the most illustrious basketball careers of all time, he won an Oscar.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

Yeah. Because he didn't really follow the Michael Jordan path where, like, Michael Jordan just kind of dipped. You know what I mean? Like, he was obviously Michael Jordan owns like a nascar, you know what I mean?

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

Like, he has all those Brandon.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

But he's not a public facing figure.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

Right.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

Whereas, like Kobe, I think, would have mixed that public Persona with, like, it would have been interesting to watch podcasts five years.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

Very, very Shaq. Like.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shaq's a great example as well. We're like. And that's where I wanted to go into the mental health side of this because, like, that's the part where I was kind of like in the, in the. When I was watching it.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

Because I look at someone and again, we don't know these people. Right. Yet.

[Producer or Co-host]

Yeah.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

You know, there's always time. No, but, but it's like we don't know, say a. A Shaq. We'll use a Shaq for an example. I was gonna say Mr. Beast, but a Shaq for an example, because you've had him on the show Shout out, but it's like Shaq is working a ton.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

Shaq has a busy schedule. Shaq's making a lot of money doing a lot of different things, but I don't feel like he's sacrificing the mental health side from what we can see. Obviously, you never know. Yeah. But I'm saying, like, it seems like you can have a lot of fun and also create some crazy content like Mr. Beast or Go to that next level,

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

like, to push back on that a little bit. Just because I've been deep diving.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

Please don't push back on me. I don't like conflict. Can we just go back to agreeing?

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

I've been deep diving in a bunch of research with Shaq recently for this upcoming project that we have.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

I'm depressed, man.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

And it wasn't necessarily that, but it was more of that mentality than I expected after, like, doing a big deep dive into his background where he said he. He recalls a time in this. In the documentary that they did on HBO about him. He recalls a time where he was pretty new to the league. I think he was still playing for Orlando at the time. And he knocked Michael Jordan to the ground. And he went to go help him up, and Michael Jordan looked up. That look. Looked up at him and said. He said something like, don't help me, man. Don't help anybody. And then got up on his own. And Shaq said he remembered that, like, as. Like, he internalized that a lot as, like, this. The. The path to greatness, basically.

[Producer or Co-host]

Is.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

Is this not what you were about to do just now? And. And it was. And I. And I. And I watched it on the doc, but then I watched him do an interview on Dax Shepard's show, and him and Monica were kind of pushing on that and being like, so do you

[Producer or Co-host]

have to be an.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

And he. And so he became an. And he was like, yeah, kinda. And then they're like, do you have to do that? And he's like, it sort of was the path. And they were. You could see the tension in their minds because they're like the big, you know, podcasters trying to get a good message out to the audience. But it's also the recognition that there's just so few people that. That is an actual path for. But. But yeah, it was sort of, to me, the recognition that, like. But everybody listening to the show is not Shaq.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

Yeah.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

They're not Michael Jordan. They're not. Nor do they desire to be. You know what I'm saying? Like. Like all of those people could have still lived an amazing, amazing life. Nothing said that they had to keep putting in the work, keep putting in the effort. Even Shaq now, with the career that he has now. One of his agents, after he announced his retirement from. From the NBA, she was in the doc, and she was like. It was. It was almost like a breath of fresh air when he announced his retirement, because it was like, oh, we can take a breather for a second. And then it was like. And then she immediately just goes, yeah, that didn't happen. Yeah, it was like overdrive, like. Like overtime. And actually much more busy as soon as he retired.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

Yeah.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

Because he just kept doing more and more and more and more and more stuff. And then Shaq talks about how he regrets, like, not talking to Kobe, and he regrets not being there when his sister passed away, and he regrets some of those things. But he also, like, he also is just his. His goal is so far beyond what the normal person's immediate prioritizations are in life that it requires this additional level unlock. Which is why, like, when I read a book like Relentless from Tim Grover, like, I don't put myself in the cleaner category at all.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

Ye.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

Because I feel like I enjoy taking time. I like going for walks. I like being with my kids at these certain occasions and things like that. And even Shaq, on his advice to his own son, was basically saying that when he, when his, his son asked him something about, you know, success and career or whatever, and he asked his own son, he was like, what's like the main thing that you wanted more from me? And he's like, time. And he's like, exactly. So he was like, he. Even when he was giving advice to his own son, he was like, don't be like me because I'm a crazy person. And the things that I'm, you know, wanting to do with my life are so wild and outlandish that you don't want to go down this path. And you should probably, when you get married, be there for your family, hang out with your kids, spend more time with. With your kids than I spent with you.

[Producer or Co-host]

You know what I mean?

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

It was sort of like a recognition that, like, not only, not only do you not have the same goals and dreams that I have, but also it's actually probably better for you and for your personal goals and family to not live the way that I chosen to live. So it's sort of like I can look at it and respect it and appreciate it, admire it and say like, thank you for doing that because, because I'm somebody who's directly benefited from all the things that Shaq's ever done. Like, I draw a huge amount of inspiration from his basketball career and his post basketball career and all the other things that he's done and worked on. But, but it's still the recognition that like, you still, you are. Even though you're in the middle of still making all these decisions and running yourself ragged at a time where you literally do not have to do any of this, you're still pushing to the next thing. And it's a recognition that that is not probably what's going to work for everybody. And in some of those people might be sacrificing their mental health in order for. To achieve this massive achievement, but that does not mean that the 99.99% of people that are watching it or listening to it have to subscribe to that advice as well. And it probably would actually be detrimental for them if they did.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

Yeah, yeah. To sacrifice everything in pursuit of. Because I guess that's where I always go back to. Like, how do you define success? Because it's like it might be a number in the. For the cleaner. It's like it's a number in the blank bank account. If you haven't read Relentless. You're like cleaners. How much are cleaners? But. But. Well, I'll just describe it really quick. But there's coolers, closers and cleaners. Coolers perform at the low end of the spectrum. That's like the average Joe Schmo. Bare minimum closers in the middle of the spectrum. That's people who in the right circumstances can get things done, but they need things to be like. They need to be the motivated setup and like they can crush it.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

Which I think would be more like you.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

That's the category I put myself in.

[Producer or Co-host]

Ye.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

And then you have the cleaner, which is like they just in any situation are going to dominate in anything they do to give a very broad overview. But it's like, that's where I go back to the questions for myself that I'm always going is like, what is success for me? You know, and it's kind of like that example of like, don't help anybody up. It's like to me, I can't picture a version of success where that's not a huge. Like, yeah, I would love that to be something on my tombstone that's like.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

Well, and that's literally the thing that. To go deep into sports analogies here. But that's the thing that LeBron gets criticized for, is the fact that he is the opposite of Jordan in a lot of his regards, that he helps people up when he knocks them down or he is friends with people he competes against.

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which was like the opposite of how it worked in Jordan era basketball. You know, like it's, it's, he's ushered in a new movement of like togetherness and connection which I as a fan appreciate about him. But a lot of people would look at and go like, well, you're not the same killer that MJ or Kobe or Shaq was or whatever.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

And it's. But he can do that while being

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

a killer while also still being one of the greatest to ever play the game. And it's sort of like, well, do

[Producer or Co-host]

you have to do that?

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

It doesn't seem like.

[Producer or Co-host]

Yeah too.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

Because it seems like, you know, but also I understand it's a completely different era and social media makes things a little bit different.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

The previous era had way worse mental

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

health and yeah, well, yeah, yeah. To be fair, like it's like that entire generation deprioritized mental health which is why our generation sort of picking up the pieces. Yeah. Of trying to figure that side out.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

You know, that's why we're broken. So yeah. That's why I say I think the advice is really helpful or the observation is helpful. Somewhere in the middle. Yeah, but I do watch it and I go like, I feel like there's some middle ground there. I think the biggest, the biggest thing for me, because this is not Travis makes money. This is Eric talks. No, I will say I was talking to someone just recently and they're doing a podcast and they have like 800 subs. They've done eight episodes. I was like, that's great, That's a great start. And I said, most people stop doing their show at seven episodes. So you're already way better than most other podcasts. Like keep it up. And then music swelled and people started clapping after I said that. But that moment too is like the first time you experience any pain is when most people quit. Can you push a little bit further? It doesn't mean you have to sacrifice four marriages and not have a relationship with your kids and do all those things. Like you can go a little bit further and do something. That's all I wanted to say. You take it. You should host this.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

That's what I'm saying is that it just comes down to a level of self awareness to know what you want out of life and what you're, what you're willing to trade for what you want out of life. And maybe the answer is everything. Maybe the answer is everything minus my kids. Maybe the answer is everything minus my kids and my friends and my spouse and my family. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's a different, there's going to be a different answer for everybody. And just because you're looking at somebody like a Mr. Beast, give that type of advice, does not mean that you also have to make that trade off to have a very good life. You know what I'm saying? Like if you, even if you took the top 100 YouTubers and asked them that question, probably like the bottom half of that, or maybe not even bottom half, just like a random selection of those people. But probably a large percentage of them do not look at it the same way that Mr. Beast does. But that's also why the, the name Mr. Beast is synonymous with YouTuber. You know, like he is the probably greatest of all time in that space, at least to this point in history. So, you know, there's, there's trade offs for everything and basically decide which path you're going to go down. And if that's the path you're going to go down, you will probably have a lot of struggle along the way that other people don't have or won't understand because just by definition, you are doing things different, which is why you have different results. You know what I mean? So my thing is always just like, I'm never going to force my thoughts, opinions, reviews on people who admittedly have a different level of life that they're trying to achieve. And the hermosis are another great example where, you know, they famously talked about, you know, skipping this person's wedding or we can't even be on vacation because we just want to go back and work. You know, it's like, I can't relate to that. So that doesn't. That doesn't mean that there's something wrong with me or there's something wrong with them. It just means that they have their life and they get to live their life the way that they want to engineer their life. And I have my life, and I get to live mine the way I want to engineer mine.

[Producer or Co-host]

You know what I mean?

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

It's neither good nor bad. It's just.

[Producer or Co-host]

It just is.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

So I think there's a lot of people that look at that and just go, like, terrible example. How dare you tell a generation that it's okay to sacrifice your mental health for whatever, whatever. And it's like, I don't know. I mean, it seems to be working out fairly well for him. And again, maybe in 10 years he changes the tune and says, I actually figured out, you know, I think he just got married or recently got married or at least engaged.

[Producer or Co-host]

Mr.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

Beast.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

Oh, yeah, engaged age.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

And so it's like. And again, he's only in his mid-20s, so he might end up growing up and maturing more in a different way in the next decade. And then he might have a kid or two and then go like, actually, I'd way rather, instead of sacrificing my mental health and energy on all this

[Producer or Co-host]

other stuff, I think I might actually enjoy spending some time with them, you

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

know, So, I don't know, give people grace and let them live their life the way they want to live their life and then just be thankful for all the benefits that they bring to society. If you look at it that way and recognize that that's the path they chose, and it does not mean that it's a path you have to go down.

[Producer or Co-host]

You know what I mean?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly Eric)]

Or he becomes the most abusive family vlogger of all time. I have you in a room of 10,000 rattlesnakes. It's just like kid just crawling around anyway. All right, well, look, unlike the hormozis I know you're not one to turn down a nice vacation. And our cruise ship leaves in about 30 minutes. So if you could wrap up this episode, we'll, we'll try to make it get your flip flops. Hurry everybody.

[Travis (Host of Travis Makes Money Podcast)]

That is it for this episode of the show. Thanks for tuning in. Remember, money only solves your money problems, but it's easier to solve the rest of your problems with money in the bank. So let's start there. We'll catch you guys next time.

[Producer or Co-host]

Peace.

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