CO-HOST | Make Money by Owning Your Work Like Dolly Parton

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Travis Makes Money

Episode: CO-HOST | Make Money by Owning Your Work Like Dolly Parton

Host: Travis Chappell
Co-hosts/Guests: Eric (Producer) and Co-host
Release Date: May 27, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Travis Chappell and his producer Eric are joined in studio by a co-host to explore the theme of financial sovereignty, using Dolly Parton's career as an inspiring case study. The conversation centers on the power of owning your intellectual property and making strategic decisions early in your professional life—illustrated by Parton's refusal to give up publishing rights to "I Will Always Love You" to Elvis Presley. The team delivers their insights in an informal, humorous, and relatable tone, peppered with pop culture references and reflective banter on the financial, personal, and business lessons from Dolly's story.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Dolly Parton Story: Why Her Decision Mattered

• Dolly’s Humble Beginnings (06:37)
  • Born in 1946 in a one-room cabin, raised in poverty in the Smoky Mountains.
  • "Her father couldn't read or write, and on the night she was born, he paid the doctor who delivered her with a sack of cornmeal." (05:03)
• Early Business Moves
  • At age 20, before fame, Dolly filed paperwork to launch her own publishing company—a move the hosts describe as rare and strategic for artists (06:37).
• Her Songwriting Feats
  • Wrote "Jolene" and "I Will Always Love You" in one day, both later became country music standards (06:58).

2. The Elvis Offer: The Power of Saying No

• In 1974, Elvis Presley’s manager demanded half the publishing rights for "I Will Always Love You" in exchange for Elvis recording it (07:29).
  • Host questions what one would do in that position, considering Dolly was not yet wealthy or established (07:46–08:09).
• Dolly’s Words:
  • "I had to keep that copyright in my pocket. These are my songs. They're like my children. I expect them to support me when I'm old." (08:23)
• She cried over saying no to Elvis but stood firm in her conviction—later leading to massive success when Whitney Houston recorded the song.

3. The Long Game Pays Off: Whitney Houston & Generational Wealth

• Houston’s Cover & Royalty Windfall
  • Whitney Houston’s 1992 rendition made the song a global smash, spending 14 weeks at #1 and earning royalties that went straight to Dolly thanks to her ownership (09:37–09:52).
  • "Every karaoke night for the next three years. The royalties landed in one bank account, the one belonging to the girl from the one room cabin." (09:52)
• Dolly used her wealth to buy back and restore her childhood cabin, build Dollywood, and launch the Imagination Library (gifting over 300 million children’s books).
• Key Financial Takeaway:
  • “Sovereignty isn’t a feeling. It's the paperwork you filed at 20.” (10:31)

4. Alternative Outcomes & The Nature of “Correct” Decisions

• The group debates alternative histories—what if Dolly had taken the deal with Elvis? Would it have still worked out? (11:20–12:43)
  • “There's a version of this where she let Elvis do it and it also worked out.” (11:23)
  • “Now it's clear that she made the right decision from our perspective now, because we don't know what would have happened if Elvis recorded it.” (12:19)
• Comparison is made to modern business and intellectual property deals in music and gaming (Tony Hawk Pro Skater story), emphasizing opportunity cost and the unknowability of future outcomes (11:38–12:12).

5. Personal Reflections: Agency, Plateaus, and Podcasting Success

• The hosts discuss structuring their own early decisions, likening podcasting milestones to Dolly’s approach to her career (13:11–16:19).
  • Travis credits being featured on the BiggerPockets podcast for a massive bump in his own audience growth (14:57).
  • “I look at it more like hit and then a plateau. It's just that hopefully the next plateau is a little bit higher than the former plateau...” (15:17–15:22)
• The importance of consistency, resilience, and creating your own luck is underlined.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Artist Ownership:
  • "I had to keep that copyright in my pocket. These are my songs. They're like my children. I expect them to support me when I'm old." – Co-host/Guest retelling Dolly Parton’s words, (08:23)
• On Financial Sovereignty:
  • "Sovereignty isn't a feeling. It's the paperwork you filed at 20." – Co-host/Guest, (10:31)
• On the Impact of One Decision:
  • “Every time the song played anywhere on earth...the royalties landed in one bank account, the one belonging to the girl from the one room cabin.” – Co-host/Guest, (09:52)
• Humorous Sidebars:
  • Extended joking about the Duggars' “nike” codeword at Dollywood, referencing Dolly’s persona and pop culture quirks (18:25–18:46).
  • “You're kind of like the Dolly Parton of podcasting.” “That's absolutely false.” – Co-host/Guest and Travis, (16:19–16:21)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Dolly Parton's Early Life & Publishing Savvy: 05:03 – 06:58
• Elvis Offer & Dolly's Turning Point: 07:29 – 08:23
• Whitney Houston Royalties Windfall: 09:37 – 10:31
• Lessons on Ownership, Alternative Outcomes: 11:20 – 12:43
• Personal Reflections on Making Early Decisions: 13:11 – 16:19
• Humorous Duggars at Dollywood Anecdote: 17:43 – 18:46

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Episode Takeaways

• Owning your work is a cornerstone of lasting wealth and artistic control.
• Saying “no” to quick opportunities in favor of long-term sovereignty can lead to exponentially greater rewards.
• Early, “boring” business decisions—like filing for your own publishing company—often set the stage for the biggest wins.
• Every creator or entrepreneur faces moments where the right choice is far from obvious; hindsight is 20/20, but preparation is key.
• Plateaus, setbacks, and lucky breaks are all part of the journey—what matters is persistence and protecting your work.

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Closing Message:
Money only solves money problems, but it’s easier to face life’s challenges when you’ve secured your financial foundation. Start by making wise choices about your work, your rights, and your business structures—just like Dolly did. (19:05)

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Transcript

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[Travis]

You're listening to the Travis Makes Money podcast presented by gohighlevel.com for a free 30 day trial of the best all in one digital marketing software tool on the planet, just go to gohighlevel.com travis. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to the Travis Makes Money podcast, where it's a mission to help

[Eric]

you make more money on this episode of the show. My producer Eric's in studio. What's up, Eric?

[Co-host/Guest]

Hey, Travis.

[Eric]

Hey, Eric.

[Co-host/Guest]

Hey, there. How you doing there, partner?

[Eric]

Pretty good.

[Co-host/Guest]

Well, I was in Nashville in January.

[Eric]

Nice.

[Co-host/Guest]

And I was at the Country Music hall of Fame, which is the opposite

[Eric]

of the place that I would assume I would find you.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah. I was excited about precisely two things at the Country Music hall of Fame. And I want you to take a wild guess as to what those two things were.

[Travis]

Dolly Parton.

[Co-host/Guest]

Wow. How'd you know that?

[Eric]

Because that seems like a cultural thing that you'd be interested in.

[Co-host/Guest]

Why?

[Eric]

I don't know. You like that kind of stuff.

[Co-host/Guest]

What?

[Eric]

Boobs.

[Co-host/Guest]

Travis, I can't do this.

[Eric]

What's the second one?

[Co-host/Guest]

Okay, the two things I was excited about was Dolly Parton, and those are both the things. So I was excited for two things.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Guest]

One, I was excited for Dolly Parton. Two, I was excited. This is probably the most dad thing ever. I was so excited because the car from smoking the Bandit 2 was there. And I didn't take many.

[Eric]

That was a boomer, bro.

[Co-host/Guest]

I didn't take many pictures in Nashville, but I did take my picture by the car from Smoking the Bandit, too, by myself.

[Travis]

Why is that in the Country Music hall of Fame?

[Co-host/Guest]

Because, you silly goose, Smokey and the Bandit has. And I'm. Oh, my God. I'm blanking out his name. Smokey and the Bandit. His name's Joey or Jerry. Jerry Reed. Country music fans, I go crazy. No, Inez, you've seen Smoking the Bandit.

[Eric]

No.

[Co-host/Guest]

Okay, so Smoking the Bandit. Burt Reynolds is obviously the Bandit. And then there's a trucker that rides with him. And that's Jerry Reid, who's a famous country singer.

[Travis]

I see.

[Co-host/Guest]

And so they have the car. Cause it was from the movie. And they also have. In Dolly Parton, it was two. Burt Reynolds. Burt Reynolds was what brought me through the Country Music hall of Fame. Burt Reynolds was in a lot of

[Travis]

things,

[Eric]

a lot of productions.

[Co-host/Guest]

Burt Reynolds was in a film with Dolly Parton.

[Eric]

Okay.

[Co-host/Guest]

Called, I don't know, the Best Little Whorehouse in Texas.

[Eric]

Okay.

[Co-host/Guest]

You never seen that?

[Eric]

Nope.

[Co-host/Guest]

That's a great movie.

[Travis]

Stop acting surprised. Like anybody from our generation has seen

[Eric]

those movies except for you.

[Co-host/Guest]

I've seen them.

[Eric]

That's why I.

[Co-host/Guest]

My spouse has seen them.

[Travis]

That's only because you watch them.

[Co-host/Guest]

Best Little Whorehouse in Texas is like a very famous movie.

[Eric]

Okay.

[Co-host/Guest]

And it's great. Great musical. Do you like musicals?

[Eric]

Depends on the musical.

[Co-host/Guest]

This one's good. Okay, let's check it out. Anyway, so I went to go see the Dolly Parton exhibit. I was very excited. Great stuff. Thrilled. I'm still confused why you called that when I was like, oh, I love, you know. You know, like there's like you're making me guess. Yeah. And you were like,

[Travis]

It's off the rails.

[Co-host/Guest]

I was confused. No, I was confused why You've seen

[Travis]

you wear a Dolly Parton shirt.

[Co-host/Guest]

That's true. I do.

[Travis]

You have a bunch of memories.

[Co-host/Guest]

Not really. I only own two now.

[Eric]

Is that true?

[Co-host/Guest]

3.

[Travis]

You just wear them all the time.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah. 4. I owe a lot of. I actually don't have that many. I've been trying to do more.

[Travis]

Just Godzilla and Friday the 13th.

[Co-host/Guest]

I have one Godzilla shirt. I have one Godzilla shirt. I have one.

[Travis]

That was the main reason is I sweater. I could have sworn I've seen you

[Eric]

in a Dolly Parton shirt.

[Co-host/Guest]

Anyway, whatever. So I was just going to bring.

[Eric]

Wasn't because of the reason that I

[Co-host/Guest]

said I was just going to bring to the table.

[Travis]

You're not a misogynist, Eric. Bring what to the table?

[Co-host/Guest]

Anyway, there's a story about Dolly Parton I was going to share.

[Eric]

Okay.

[Co-host/Guest]

Financial. Whatever the show is, we're going to talk about money and stuff. So I saw this post and I thought it was interesting. A little fun fact about Dolly. I like to bring those fun facts to you. Dolly Parton said no to Elvis Presley in 1974. And that single decision is paying her. Fifty years later is paying her. Paying her.

[Eric]

Okay, what was.

[Co-host/Guest]

Here's some backstory. According to the Carousel, Dolly Parton was born in 1946 in a one room cabin tucked into the Smoky Mountains. With no electricity and no running water, her family caught fireflies in mason jars to read by at night. Her father couldn't read or write, and on the night she was born, he paid the doctor who delivered her with a sack of cornmeal. I'm going to try that next time that I you have a child. Because cornmeal was all the family had to offer that winter. She graduated high school on a Friday and was on a bus to Nashville by Saturday morning. At 18 years old with Study and

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[Co-host/Guest]

nothing but a suitcase and a plan to Become a singer. Oh, at 20, before she was famous, she filed the paperwork to open her own publishing company, the kind of unsexy infrastructure most artists never buy bother with. In 1973, she wrote both Jolene and I Will Always Love youe in a single Day. You know these songs?

[Eric]

I do.

[Co-host/Guest]

They're two songs that became standards in country music. A year after the song hit number one, the call came in that Elvis Presley, her hero, the most famous man in music, wanted to record it himself. And she was so excited. I will always love you. And she was so excited she told everyone she knew.

[Travis]

I guess that makes more sense than Jolene, Jolene, Jolene. Have you ever heard of Elvis saying Jole?

[Co-host/Guest]

You know, it is a great cover. Jolene, Miley Cyrus, Jolene.

[Travis]

Yeah, I've heard that actually.

[Co-host/Guest]

It's a great cover.

[Eric]

She's a great artist.

[Co-host/Guest]

The afternoon before the recording session, Elvis's manager, Colonel Tom Parker. Boo. Right?

[Eric]

I don't know.

[Co-host/Guest]

Called her with one non negotiable condition. Half the publishing rights forever. Where there was no deal. What are you doing if you're her

[Travis]

Half the publishing rights of all of her music. Half or just that song?

[Co-host/Guest]

I think just that song. What are you doing?

[Eric]

I mean, it's really hard to know

[Co-host/Guest]

without any context of what it became.

[Travis]

Without any context what it became, but also without any context of how well

[Eric]

off she was financially at that time as well.

[Co-host/Guest]

Probably not incredibly.

[Travis]

I mean, two number one hits, but I mean, probably.

[Co-host/Guest]

But like, who knows if that stays?

[Travis]

Who knows?

[Co-host/Guest]

You know what I mean?

[Eric]

Yeah, yeah, sure.

[Travis]

I don't know, dude. I feel like. I feel like I probably would have taken the deal if it was that one song and not the entire catalog

[Eric]

of music just because Elvis is freaking Elvis.

[Co-host/Guest]

So everyone around her said, take it, it's Elvis Presley. And she sat quiet on the phone for a long minute before telling him no. Her exact words that night. I had to keep that copyright in my pocket. These are my songs. They're like my children. I expect them to support me when I'm old. She cried all night wondering what Elvis would have done with it. Priscilla Presley told her years later that Elvis ended up singing the song to the courthouse steps the day they divorced. Chad Move and Dolly Parton sued Elvis for using the song. No, I'm just kidding. That would be so crazy. So 18 years later in 1992, isn't that crazy? At 1974 is 18 years before 1992. No, that feels so long.

[Travis]

That's math. Isn't that crazy that 1974 plus 18?

[Co-host/Guest]

I mean it in the sense of like. It's crazy when you think about like. Like I want to go see Shrek in theaters the other day. That's something I would do. And like, I was like, oh, this movie is like 20 something years old. Yeah, that's crazy that 2002 is as close to us as like 20, 40 something. Cause I can't picture being in 2040, you know?

[Eric]

Yeah, I see what you're saying.

[Co-host/Guest]

Whatever, dude. Eighteen years later, 1992, Whitney Houston recorded the song for the Bodyguard.

[Eric]

And.

[Co-host/Guest]

And it spent 14 weeks at number one, becoming the best selling single ever recorded by a female artist. Have you ever heard Whitney Houston sing it?

[Travis]

I have. I think a lot of people think

[Eric]

that it's her song.

[Co-host/Guest]

They do, because Dolly still owned 100% of the publishing. Every time the song played anywhere on earth, every radio station, every wedding, every. I don't think weddings licensed music. I hate to break it to you. They're stealing that every karaoke night for the next three years. The royalties landed in one bank account, the one belonging to the girl from the one room cabin. All right, calm down with this writing of this story. What? That single note compounded to over the next 50 years, 3,000 songs, all owned by her. Dollywood, the theme park she built and still controls, the Imagination Library, which has now gifted over 300 million free books to children. That's pretty sick. And a $650 million net worth.

[Eric]

Damn.

[Co-host/Guest]

Years later, once all her songs had paid for everything, she bought back her childhood cabin and spent a fortune restoring it. Then famously joked that it cost her more money to make it look poor than it ever cost her family delivered it the first time around. And then. I'm going to skip. Well, I'll say. I'll read this. They got a little creative writing here. A little AI think in here, too. Dolly didn't get rich just on talent. She got rich because she built the structure that made the right answer obvious before the phone ever rang. Sovereignty isn't a feeling. It's a paperwork you filed at 20. That's relaxed money. That's AI that's definitely AI. That's not this. That's relaxed money. But anyway, I thought it was a really interesting story. And obviously, whenever there's stories like this, I always go back to. There's a version of this where you're like. You're sitting there, you've had your two hits, and you're like, I should have let Elvis do this song. But.

[Travis]

But also there's a version of this where she let Elvis do it.

[Co-host/Guest]

And it also worked out.

[Eric]

Exactly, exactly.

[Travis]

Cause it's still Elvis Presley. Like, who, if he would have recorded, like, who knows how much more popular

[Eric]

it would have been before 1992 if Elvis did a rendition of it back when it first came out.

[Co-host/Guest]

So that.

[Travis]

That one, to me, doesn't like that. That one doesn't hit as hard as the, like, Tony Hawk one where it

[Eric]

was like the decision between a half million dollars or having residuals on Tony Hawk Pro Skater.

[Travis]

Because that one, the alternative wasn't like, that great comparatively to.

[Eric]

I mean, they ended up getting.

[Co-host/Guest]

Because the game could have sold zero copies.

[Travis]

Yeah. But you know what I'm saying, Like, no, like Elvis Presley recording.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah.

[Travis]

A version of it would have not gone poorly, you know what I'm saying?

[Co-host/Guest]

Like.

[Travis]

Like, it would have still. And she wasn't giving up 100% of it.

[Eric]

She was giving up 50% of it.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah.

[Travis]

So I think, like, there's a version of it, like, the other version of

[Eric]

it could have worked out just as well.

[Travis]

Again, assuming that it was just the one song and not her entire catalog

[Eric]

of music that she had made up

[Travis]

to that point, then I feel like it probably was. It ended up working out really well. It would have ended up working out really well either way. Now it's clear that she made the right decision from our perspective now, because we never. Like, we don't know what would have

[Eric]

happened if Elvis recorded it.

[Co-host/Guest]

It would make it easier to make decisions. If we could know that, it would

[Travis]

make it a lot easier.

[Co-host/Guest]

I wish I knew what was going to happen. I just noticed this last slide. She's in our Cowboys. What? Cowboys.

[Travis]

Oh. Oh, yeah.

[Co-host/Guest]

She did the Cowboys halftime show, which I watched. I didn't watch the game, of course, but I did tune in for Dolly. I said, when is Dolly gonna be here? I felt like Trump is a small child. Yeah, that's Trump as a child. When is Dolly gonna be here? I don't know.

[Travis]

I don't know what that was.

[Co-host/Guest]

I don't think we released this episode. Huh? The last ones are always the best. So the person who wrote this post asked the question, what are some things that you structured early on or decisions you made early on that have guided you through this day that you're like, I'm glad I made that commitment early on. And I'm actually adding a little bit. She asked a kind of dumb question, but I'm asking kind of a better one.

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[Travis]

Yeah, the decision to start the podcast

[Eric]

was a good decision, I think.

[Co-host/Guest]

Now, let me ask you. If Dolly Parton said that she'll co host an episode, but she wants 50% of ongoing profit from the podcast, you taking that deal?

[Eric]

No.

[Co-host/Guest]

Okay.

[Travis]

Because that's the whole catalog of ip. No, just that episode and the one episode. Like, it would do really well, but

[Eric]

not enough to justify ownership.

[Co-host/Guest]

Oh, stop. It would. It would. It would.

[Travis]

It would. It would do well.

[Eric]

Oh, okay.

[Travis]

I didn't say it wouldn't. I said the episode would do great.

[Co-host/Guest]

It would. You're good.

[Travis]

But I've. I've interviewed enough celebrities at this point

[Eric]

to know that one. One hit does not make the career.

[Co-host/Guest]

What's. What's. Okay, let me ask you this. I've never asked you this. What celebrity that you've talked to has had the most noticeable benefit to you doing the interview? Doesn't have to be a celebrity, I guess any person you interviewed. Have you. Is there one interview where you're like, that Dramatically helped me that one thing.

[Travis]

Not an interview on my show, but

[Eric]

interview on another show.

[Co-host/Guest]

Which one?

[Travis]

Biggerpockets.

[Eric]

That one, like, dramatically affected my podcast audience.

[Co-host/Guest]

Reach downloads before, your pockets were pretty small.

[Travis]

Yeah, that's why I made them bigger on bigger pockets. In terms of people who've been on my show, it's always like. The thing is, it's always like a bump, but it's. I look at it more like hit

[Eric]

and then a plateau. It's just that hopefully the next plateau is a little bit higher than the former plateau, but there's.

[Travis]

There's been several people that I've had

[Eric]

where it's been like, oh, cool, a splash of attention, but then it just kind of, like, drops back down.

[Co-host/Guest]

I wonder if I'll ever hit a plateau if I'm just going to keep climbing. I've had six years of climbing. I'm, like, ready to take a breather, you know? It is true. I feel like it's like every. For a while, it was like every. The whole first year felt, like, slow. And then you plateau and you're like, I guess I maxed out. And then it feels like it's like every six months. It's like every three months. And then it's like every six months again. And I feel like you hit those. And then it feels like all of a sudden, not only is the plateau shorter and more frequent, but also I feel like the climbs are larger jumps. Like, what you just did with this potential show is, like, obviously a big jump from stuff you were working on, like, a year ago. You know what I mean? So, I don't know. Just a thought. You're kind of like the Dolly Parton of podcasting.

[Travis]

That's absolutely false.

[Co-host/Guest]

You're blonde.

[Travis]

I would say that's Alex Cooper.

[Co-host/Guest]

What?

[Eric]

Dolly Parton of podcasting?

[Co-host/Guest]

No, it's just way less likable. Don't corrupt the Dolly name.

[Travis]

Sorry, Alex.

[Co-host/Guest]

I don't think Alex is unlikable. Do you find her unlikable?

[Eric]

I don't think she's unlikable.

[Co-host/Guest]

You just said it.

[Travis]

I'm saying compared to Dolly Parton.

[Co-host/Guest]

Well, everybody's unlikable compared to Dolly Parton.

[Eric]

That's what I'm saying. There's nobody you can compare to her. Yeah, she's just so damn likable. Yeah, the best.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yep.

[Travis]

Did you ever see that video of

[Eric]

Post Malone with Dolly Parton before he performed at the Opry?

[Co-host/Guest]

No, that was.

[Eric]

I was just.

[Co-host/Guest]

Okay.

[Travis]

It was just like a cool reframing

[Eric]

to see what happened there.

[Co-host/Guest]

I don't know, but we're almost done.

[Travis]

It was a cool reframing to see somebody who's a legendary star themselves. And then meeting Dolly Parton, he was just like, all, yes, ma'.

[Eric]

Am. No, ma'. Am.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah, yeah.

[Eric]

Yes, ma'. Am. Of course. Of course, ma'. Am. Like, thank you so much. Like, you're amazing. And it was just like.

[Travis]

It's. I like seeing that type of reverence,

[Eric]

like, from generational stardom.

[Co-host/Guest]

I would be starstruck by Dolly Parton. I'm not gonna lie.

[Travis]

For sure.

[Eric]

Who wouldn't be?

[Co-host/Guest]

There's a really funny last thing I'll say. This episode's probably the worst episode. So we did seven episodes today.

[Travis]

Yeah, well, it's only that way because

[Eric]

you keep saying it.

[Travis]

I thought we started off. Anyway.

[Co-host/Guest]

We're doing seven episodes. We did seven episodes today. This is the worst one.

[Eric]

In your opinion?

[Co-host/Guest]

In my opinion. Oh. What I was going to say, I'm going to just close out with a random thing.

[Eric]

Okay.

[Co-host/Guest]

You know how I love the Duggars, right? That's a joke.

[Eric]

Big Duggar fan over here.

[Co-host/Guest]

So the Duggars. Have I showed you that Paul. Okay, side note. Have I showed you the Paul Chappell clip with the usernames for online? No, it has not age. Well, I got to show you this later. But, no, there's a great clip. So the Duggars go to Dollywood, which I was kind of surprised by. And the Duggars. I don't know if you know this. The Duggars have a thing where when a girl is inappropriately dressed in their mind, then they'll say, whoever notices will say, nike. That's like a code word. And all the kids look at the ground so as not to look at the bosoms. So they went to Dollywood.

[Eric]

That didn't work out very well.

[Co-host/Guest]

But anyway, so there's a clip in 19 Kids and Counting where they're going into Dollywood. And right before it cuts, you hear Michelle go, Nike.

[Travis]

That's basically that entire story, which is

[Co-host/Guest]

so funny because I'm like. Because I'm like, you're going to go see a place founded by Dolly Parton, known for her buxom bosom.

[Eric]

Yeah. You know, it's strange.

[Co-host/Guest]

Anyway, fun story. But you know what isn't strange? Ending this episode right now, because it was over before it even started.

[Travis]

Off the rails.

[Eric]

It's off the rails.

[Co-host/Guest]

It's off the rails.

[Travis]

Anyway, if you're tuning in, thanks so much for bearing with us through this episode. I don't even know if Eric's going to keep that joke in there.

[Co-host/Guest]

I am going to keep the joke in there. Was so funny.

[Travis]

Okay, thank you.

[Co-host/Guest]

It was funny.

[Travis]

All right. But that's it for this episode of the show. Remember, money only solves your money problems, but it's easier to solve the rest of your problems when you got some

[Eric]

money in the bank. So let's start there here on the Travis Makes Money podcast.

[Travis]

Thanks for tuning in.

[Eric]

Catch you guys next time. Peace.

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