CO-HOST | Make Money by Questioning Pastors’ Money Advice

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Travis Makes Money

Episode: CO-HOST | Make Money by Questioning Pastors’ Money Advice

Host: Travis Chappell

Guest/Co-host: Eric (Producer)

Date: March 18, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into money advice given by prominent pastors, with Travis and producer Eric critically discussing and debating famous religious quotes about wealth, prosperity, and generosity. The conversation is lighthearted yet analytical, as they challenge the financial doctrines often preached in churches and explore where faith-based money lessons succeed, falter, or even become dangerous. They also unpack misquotes, prosperity gospel excesses, and the necessity of rethinking inherited beliefs about money.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Dissecting Pastor Money Quotes

• Format: Eric reads quotes from well-known pastors and religious figures; Travis responds with his interpretation and if he agrees or disagrees.

Notable Quotes and Discussion

• "Money is a servant, not a master. Steward it for eternity, not yachts."

  • Travis: Agrees with the first part; questions the emphasis on stewardship “for eternity,” preferring the “die with zero” ethos—using wealth purposefully in one’s lifetime, rather than hoarding (02:06).
  • “Money is a bad master but a good servant.” — Travis (02:19)
  • Attributed to John Piper, followed by playful banter about Piper's controversial legacy.

• "The man who has God and everything else has no more than the man who has God only."

  • Travis: Agrees, provided "God" can mean purpose, meaning, or other sources of fulfillment, not just the Christian definition (03:13).

• "All a Christian needs is a Bible, a pig, and a wife. Wealth beyond is temptation."

  • Both: Quickly dismiss this as outdated, simplistic, and problematic (04:12).
  • Attributed to Martin Luther—with an aside on Luther’s problematic views, providing historical context and critique.

• "Prosperity teaching turns Jesus into a genie. 'Give to get rich' heresy."

  • Travis: Fully agrees, denouncing the “prosperity gospel” and how it twists spiritual teachings into transactional promises (06:00).
  • Eric: Jokes about the shifting standards in churches that never admit past errors (06:14-06:49).

• "I've held millions and felt empty. True wealth is generosity that hurts."

  • Travis: Ponders whether generosity should “hurt,” expressing concern about manipulation within some church circles (10:14). Shares a personal story of feeling pressured to give beyond his means when he was young and newly successful (10:22-10:38).
  • Attributed to Francis Chan.

• "Wealth is a tool for ministry. True riches are eternal relationships, not bank balances."

  • Travis: Acknowledges the value of relationships but stresses the false dichotomy; you don’t have to choose between money and meaningful connections (11:54).
  • “Relationships over everything. You know, relationships plus nothing equals everything.” — Travis (11:54)

• "Poverty is from the devil. Speak wealth into your cheeks."

  • Both: Burst into laughter at the bizarre phrasing (12:21-13:41), then fact-check and realize the quote was an AI-generated paraphrase falsely attributed to televangelist Kenneth Copeland. They caution against spreading misinformation and stress the importance of verifying quotes (16:05-18:12).
  • Memorable running joke: “Speak wealth into your cheeks” becomes a recurring gag, with ideas for t-shirts and sweatpants.

• "God wants you to be so financially stable that you can bless others extravagantly."

  • Both endorse this sentiment (18:34-19:34), embracing the idea of using financial security as a way to help others.
  • Attributed to T.D. Jakes, followed by a brief, humorous rabbit hole on recent rumors about Jakes, stressing the need for responsible fact-checking.

• "I’ve got the big house, I’ve got four cars. God has blessed me and I earned it."

  • Travis: Shrugs, doesn’t see much depth in this statement (22:19).
  • Attributed to Joyce Meyer.

• "Touch this screen. Sow your best seed. Poverty demons flee."

  • Both: Dismissed as prosperity gospel nonsense—“You're not going to get any richer by touching a screen or sowing your seed or praying a prayer.” (22:44)
  • Attributed to Benny Hinn.

2. Reflections on Religious Money Wisdom

• Travis discusses how most financial advice he received from pastors didn't serve him and required significant unlearning to develop a healthier view of money (23:18).
• They explore the impact of commonly misquoted scripture, especially “money is the root of all evil” (23:30), clarifying the Bible actually says, “the love of money is the root of all evil.”

3. Fact-Checking & Misinformation

• The “speak wealth into your cheeks” segment showcases the need to verify sources, as the quote was AI-generated and not from Copeland. Both express annoyance and commit to only sharing verbatim, authentic quotes (16:10-18:12).

4. Memorable Moments and Banter

• Playful exchanges about church humor, the weirdness of certain quotes, and the idea of launching cheeky merchandise (“Speak wealth into your cheeks” sweatpants) (13:24-13:58).
• Quick dives into church culture, double standards, and shifting rules (beards now allowed, dress codes relaxing), often wrapped in sarcasm and in-jokes (09:41-10:03, 06:14-06:49).

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• "Money is a bad master but a good servant." — Travis (02:19)
• "Relationships over everything. You know, relationships plus nothing equals everything." — Travis (11:54)
• "Speak wealth into your cheeks." — (repeated as a joke, 12:23–16:10)
• “You're not going to get any richer by touching a screen or sowing your seed or praying a prayer.” — Travis (22:46)
• "Probably the most egregious one is because it's everything everybody's heard it is. People just started saying...money is the root of all evil, rather than the love of money is the root of all evil." — Travis (23:30)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [00:52–06:00]: Pastor quotes begin; money as servant, finding meaning outside money; old theological jokes.
• [06:00–11:04]: Prosperity gospel critique and shifting church standards.
• [11:27–12:16]: True riches: relationships or money? Travis chooses relationships but decries the need to choose.
• [12:16–18:12]: “Speak wealth into your cheeks” saga, debunking AI-generated quotes, importance of fact-checking.
• [18:17–19:43]: God blessing you to bless others; T.D. Jakes quote and related controversies.
• [23:01–23:55]: Travis shares the worst misquote about money in church (“money is the root of all evil”).
• [24:11–24:26]: Final words from Travis—pragmatic advice on money as a problem-solver.

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Tone and Style

• The conversation is upbeat, witty, and irreverent with a mix of legitimate critique and inside humor about church culture.
• Travis is practical, challenging, and lighthearted, unwilling to accept “poverty gospel” or “prosperity gospel” dogma at face value.
• Eric serves as the provocateur, providing comedic relief while also surfacing serious issues about faith-based money narratives.

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Final Takeaways

• You can’t blindly accept money advice from pastors—context, intent, and personal critical thinking matter.
• Prosperity gospel and poverty gospel both have serious pitfalls; nuanced, balanced thinking wins.
• True financial wisdom is about purposeful stewardship, not rigid abstinence or blind generosity.
• Verify everything—misquotes and misinformation abound, even in faith-based spaces.
• Relationships and financial stability are not mutually exclusive; building both matters.

Closing quote from Travis:
"Money only solves your money problems, but it's easier to solve the rest of your problems with money in the bank. So let's solve that one first here on the Travis Makes Money podcast." (24:11)

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Transcript

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Hey, brother. On the last episode, brother, we were looking at some quotes from pastors.

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Amen.

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About money. And I have some more quotes I want to read you from pastors, from pastors, religious leaders talking about money. And I want you to agree or disagree with their takes here.

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Shavit, let's do it.

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You ready? And I tried to do a mix of some.

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I was literally born ready.

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Literally born again ready.

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Born again ready or something.

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On the H Street podcast, they, they're. None of them come from a Christian background that makes sense. So they always, they always are, like confused when people talk about being like born again. But then the host always says he's like a newborn Christian. And I think it's so funny to be like, I'm newborn.

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That's what.

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Instead of born again.

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That's what Ethan calls it.

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Instead of. Yeah, I think that's funny. That's why we're laughing so much. It's really funny. We're just both tired. We're both tired right now.

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Wait, where's the laughter?

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I don't know. Are you ready?

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They're all turned down.

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All right, let's cheers. All of all is applicable. Whatever.

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No, that's probably more.

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All right, are you ready?

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Yeah.

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Okay, first quote. Money is a servant, not a master. Steward at fraternity, not yachts.

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I agree with the first part. The eternity part may be less so I'll go more with the die with zero campaign and steward it for eternity. But the first part's good.

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Okay.

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Money. Money is a bad master of a good servant.

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That's John Piper.

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Okay. And we agree with everything John Piper says, right?

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Yeah.

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Right, Eric?

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Yeah.

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I'm coming up with a good clip for you.

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Yeah, I love everything he says, sweet, if your husband is hitting you, endure getting smacked for a night. As. He actually said that.

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That's hilarious.

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He said, just endure being smacked for a night, then go talk to your pastor.

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That is wild. It's actual words that came out of his mouth.

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I want to show you the clip, but it's not relevant at all.

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It's not.

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But yeah, yeah. He said, if she has to endure being smacked for a night, you know, Amen.

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Amen.

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All right, anyway, here's another one. The man who has God and everything else has no more than the man who has God only.

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Oh, I see. Okay, so it took me. It took me a second, that one.

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It took me a second to read it.

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I would agree. If you substitute. If you assign the meaning of God to whatever purpose. Yeah, Purpose, meaning, you know, family, happiness, universe, whatever, you know, you personally believe, then I would. Then I would go, yes, on that.

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All the Christian needs. Oh, I'm sorry, that was tozer.

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Aw, Tozer.

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Yeah. All a Christian needs is a Bible, a pig and a wife. Wealth beyond is temptation. Or if you're a real question, I can already picture a Baptist pastor would be like, all a Christian age is a Bible, a pig and a wife. And I look out at some of you right now and it looks like you got two for one deal.

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That's.

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That's literally where they would have went.

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Exactly.

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It's so annoying. It's like it. Basically you just have to go, what's the lowest denominator joke? And that's it. There you go. All Christians need is a Bible, a pig and a wife. Wealth beyond is temptation.

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No, bad.

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Wrong.

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Incorrect.

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I can't believe you're saying this about Martin Luther.

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Martin Luther. To be clear, this is Martin Luther, not Martin Luther King.

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Martin Luther's quotes about the Jews are crazy. Really? Yeah.

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That makes a lot of sense.

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Just some side homework if you're listening.

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You want to go down a rabbit hole?

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Can I tell you the name of his book?

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Martin Luther's book. Martin Luther, he wrote a book about Jews. Such a diabolical laugh.

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Here we go. In 1543, Martin Luther wrote a 65,000 word treatise called on the Jews and their Lies. Did you know? Here's. Here's one more piece. One more thing about the Jews. Did you know that Henry Ford. I've told you this.

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Potentially.

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Henry Ford had a picture of Adolf Hitler on his desk. And Hitler had a picture of Henry Ford on his desk because they were so inspired by each other. But you also know Henry Ford himself. Used to produce a magazine publication against the Jews. Really? It's just like an anti Semitic publication.

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Jack of all trades.

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That Henry America's truck. Every time I see a Ford commercial built for a very specific subsect of the population and no one else. Anyway, here we go. Prosperity teaching turns Jesus into a genie. Give to get rich heresy.

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You have to say that one more time.

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Prosperity teaching turns Jesus into a genie. Give to get rich heresy.

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Okay, all right. I can get on board with that one. I can get on board with that one.

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Okay, John MacArthur fan, over here. Shout out.

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I love me some John MacArthur. You know, there's a group of kids from west coast that went to John MacArthur's service in college and then got in big trouble for doing that.

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And then a couple years later, Paul Jabbel posted a picture with John MacArthur.

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Really?

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His brother.

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Really?

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He said it with like that too.

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That's surprising. With an A, my brother.

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Yeah. No, and I thought, like, that that's my biggest pet peeve is like. Is like when the standards loosen, which I think is a good thing.

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Fellowship.

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It's a good thing. Many times when the standards loosen about, like, dumb stuff like screens or music or whatever. But what drives me nuts is when they just switch it. But then you know that you got ring but never address it.

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Yeah.

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And they never say, oh, we were wrong.

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They never address.

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Yeah, it drives me crazy.

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It's. It's what? When we even hear stories about, like, the school that we grew up in.

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They can just, they can just do that now.

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Beards are okay.

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Yeah, beards and like girls can wear pants.

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I just discovered if I do this into the microphone. Microphone. It sounds really cool.

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Sounds really cool.

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All right. I've held millions and felt empty. True wealth is generosity. That hurts. I think that depends on your personal might like what your goal is.

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Yeah, that's also a strange way to put it. Like generosity that hurts. That feels strange. Like that's like in my experience Anytime I've been generous, it doesn't.

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I think it's like giving. Be like giving a little beyond your, like.

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Sure. But even in those contexts, I don't like it. It's. I mean, I guess.

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I guess because someone could say that and manipulate you like crazy.

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Yeah, right, Exactly. Which is what happened to me when I first started making money. That's like, how am I making thousands of dollars from landscaping? But I have, like, $200. My bank account. Oh, the giving. The giving banquet took all my money.

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Yeah, that's. That's Francis Chan.

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Okay. Okay. Isn't he the one who wrote love, love wins or something like that? Yes, Francis Chan.

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No, no, no. Love was robbed.

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Bell.

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Yeah, no, Francis Chan wrote something else.

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Something about love. Wasn't that. Wasn't he somebody that we looked at as, like, a big compromiser or something like that? Or was he, like.

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He was pretty loved outside of IFB world.

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Okay, what was the quote again?

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I've held millions and felt empty. True wealth is generosity. That hurts.

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Yeah.

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I like the idea of, like, feeling empty, holding on to millions versus giving. Sure. You know, but again, some of this stuff's a little too dramatic.

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Yeah.

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Where it's like, just. Just be normal. Like, just maybe don't be weird about it. You know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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Wealth is a tool for ministry. True riches are eternal relationships, not bank balances. Come on. Travis makes try. Oh, this is. This is the yin and yang of you.

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Oh, yeah. Money and relationships.

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Travis. Let me rephrase this statement. True riches are your relationships or true riches are making money?

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Yeah.

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Travis makes friends or Travis makes money. What are we doing here?

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Relationships. Relationships over everything. You know, relationships plus nothing equals everything. You know what I mean?

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You sure?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Yeah. If you're going to choose one or the other, then I'd rather have rich, fulfilling relationships. But that's the beauty, is that you don't. You don't have to choose. You can have both of those things.

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Poverty is from the devil. Speak wealth into your.

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Wow.

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Poverty's from the devil.

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This is somebody from the SBC or something.

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Poverty's from the devil. Speak wealth into your cheeks. Why did he say that? It was so unnecessary to say in your cheeks.

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Your cheeks is wild work.

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Poverty is from the devil. Speak wealth into your cheeks like I did with my $18 million citation jet.

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What? This sounds like some Kenneth Culpin bullshit.

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Right on. Is that who it is?

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That's hilarious.

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What do you think? Speak wealth and. Dude, we need that to be the new sign off. Speak wealth into your cheeks.

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We need to find him saying that.

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You need to speak wealth into your cheeks.

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We had to find him saying that.

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I hope it's not.

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Put it on this.

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Speak wealth into your cheeks.

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Which cheeks? Kenneth.

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Speak wealth into your cheeks.

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I'm just gonna start saying that. That's some swag right there.

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Lord Jesus. Oh, man, that's good. But speak wealth into your cheeks. I don't think he said that somewhere.

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That is crazy work.

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Goodness gracious.

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That I want printed on a. On a T shirt.

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Speak wealth into your cheeks.

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No. You know what that'd be great for is on the butt of a pair of sweatpants. Instead of Juicy.

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You know, there's a whole clothing brand. It's a very smart business because I follow a musician. And then she started, like, she. Because, like, she would always wear these when she performed. But they're. They're. Oh, my God. What are they called? They're short. They're like booty shorts with writing on the back. But they're like.

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I don't know. But one of them should say, speak wealth into your cheese.

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That is a really good one.

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Yeah.

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Is it the Bummer Shop? Is that what they're called? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is it. This is such. I, like. I was like, dude, this is such a smart apparel company brand.

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Educating the public one.

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So it's like social. What's the word? Like, social justice type stuff or, like, important things. So it's like.

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It's like, ask me about the book I'm reading.

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Yeah, like, it's a lot like, more like lefty stuff. So. But. But it's like.

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Yeah, that is smart, though.

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Yeah. Like, it's just. Yeah. Like, man created God because he couldn't stand that. Women create life. How about that? Wow. Abortion safer than Tylenol. I would pay good money to see you wear these.

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What?

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Look at this. Look at these shorts. The only ethical consumption of capitalism. It's an arrow to their nether regions. You know, Kenneth Copeland's leaning over to speak wealth into those cheeks.

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I would love to.

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You'd love to see one pair of those? Kenneth Copeland. Speak wealth into the cheeks.

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Speak wealth into your cheeks.

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But anyway. But this is like one of those clothing brands. Like, that is so smart.

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Yeah.

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Because it's something that people like. Again, world.

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One butt at a time.

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You see people post and you're like, oh, that's Ted Bunny's. I will wear these. Actually, Ted Bunny was a Republican. So was John Wayne Gacy, actually.

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That makes sense.

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But you know, what that means every single person who's a Republican is probably a serial killer.

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That is what that is.

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Just. That's how stats work.

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That is. That's.

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That's how they're not wrong. Speak wealth in the cheeks.

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Speak.

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Speak. Wealth in the cheeks is crazy.

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I love that the quote ended with him talking about his jet.

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Where does he say that? Where did. Where did he say that?

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He always has to bring the attention back to his chest.

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Perplexity. Is perplexity making up this quote? Is this a real quote?

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Are you googling it now?

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Give me a citation. What if it just made that up? No, that's not a. Wow.

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Did we just get a. Did we get a negative point on perplexity now?

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How did they get to cheeks? Where did cheeks come from?

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Wow. So we've just been engaging in fake news. Fake news.

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Well, now, this calls into question in the last 10 minutes. No, I do know the other ones that we pulled up. I was looking and I know.

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I mean, that's a. That's one that we should cross check.

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Yeah.

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Because it's a. A wild thing to say.

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That is so crazy that perplexity just defamed Kenneth Copeland. Yeah. I just want to say to Kenneth Copeland's robust legal team. Yeah, we really didn't know. We did, but see, look. Hey, how about that? We fact checked that on this episode. We didn't let it slip by.

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Admitted the apology.

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Yeah. I will say that all the other quotes I know because I've heard 90% of them already. That's true. So. But this crazy perplexity was perverse enough to say, speak wealth into your cheeks.

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If perplexity was going to give a quote like that and attribute it to somebody, Kenneth Colin would be the one that makes the most sense.

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You want to know how it got there? How so it says. No, that's not a verbatim real quote from Kenneth Copeland. It's a paraphrase blending his actual teachings for dramatic podcast effect. Don't do that.

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That's hilarious.

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Copeland has repeatedly preached that poverty is from the devil and belongs to Satan's kingdom. And then it says cheeks came. Because I said, where did cheeks come from? It said cheeks. And that Kenneth Copeland paraphrase comes from a viral 2021 clip where he infamously puffed out his cheeks while laughing off COVID 19 as demon germs. It's not a direct quote, but a podcast ready mashup nodding to that moment blending with his real. That's.

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That's a crazy perplexity. Don't do that.

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Yeah, don't ever do that. I only want verbatim quotes, bro. Yeah, quotes. You liar. Perplexity doesn't have a track.

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We retract all the laughter.

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No, that is funny. That is funny. But I don't like that it lied, so I said only verbatim quotes.

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Yeah.

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Thank you.

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To be fair, there's plenty of stuff that Kenneth Copeland has actually said that's comedy enough. We don't have to embellish it.

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Yeah, I don't know. I don't like that. I don't like that it did that. And I want everyone to know that the other quotes are real.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Been fact checked now.

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Yeah. All right, man, that really. That really ruined my day.

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That bums me out.

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Okay, how about this one, buddy? But God wants you to be so financially stable that you can bless others extravagantly.

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Say that again.

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God wants you to be financially stable so that you can bless others extravagantly.

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Yeah, I like that one. I definitely thought you said goblins at the beginning.

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Goblins.

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This sounds like another made up the Goblins.

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The Goblins are blowing wealth into your cheeks,

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Kenneth Copeland.

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No, God wants you to be so financially stable that you can bless others extravagantly.

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Yeah, that's a good one.

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TD Jakes agree. You know, TD Jakes was like, I feel like now I can't. I'm scared to give any more wrong information out. But there was allegations about TD Jakes doing freaky stuff at a Diddy party before Diddy got arrested for that. And he was like, I denied that nothing ever happened with Diddy. And then like, the Diddy went down.

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Yeah.

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And then T. Jake's retired recently, actually.

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I think I'm just gonna.

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I think I did.

[A]

Maybe I'm just gonna move to this country. Oh. Oh. There's no extradition here. Crazy.

[B]

Let me fact check that. TD Jake's retired now. I don't know what to believe. TD Jakes. I believe he did. And they just handed. Yeah, he retired in 2025.

[A]

That's a good quote, though.

[B]

Good quote, though.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Bad about Diddy. Great quote. Yeah.

[A]

We condemn what Diddy did, Bishop. That's the overall Travis makes money take on this.

[B]

Holy smokes. TD Jakes has been the subject of an unverified AI generated rumor linking him to the legal troubles and freak off parties of Sean Diddy Combs. I know. He had an actual accuser too. I'm just saying. But he had previously partnered with Diddy's Revolt TV network in 2021 for a sermon series. He did attend a birthday party for Combs.

[A]

Wait, wait, wait. He partnered with Diddy for a sermon series?

[B]

For a sermon series for his T on Diddy's TV network.

[A]

Man, Diddy was doing everything.

[B]

A representative for Jake's confirmed he attended a birthday party for Combs in 2022, but emphasized it was brief public appearance with staff and he and oh and TD Jakes suffered a heart attack when this came out.

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[A]

Wow.

[B]

He had like, medical issues which made him look very less suspicious, less innocent, like, oh, you didn't know about Diddy.

[A]

But anyway, that's also one of those crazy crossovers where pastors just like sweep under the rug all the other things that celebrities doing just to.

[B]

No, Jake's Jake stated that roughly 44,000 AI generated bots were used to spread misinformation about him on social media.

[A]

That's an oddly specific number.

[B]

He filed a legal motion in 2024 to uncover the identities of individuals. Defamatory videos link him to Combs.

[A]

And then he retired.

[B]

They left.

[A]

Bye.

[B]

Bye.

[A]

Well, thank you for this one good quote.

[B]

What are we talking about? Okay, that was a good.

[A]

It was a good quote.

[B]

Let's do another quote. Let's get a. Let's get off the Diddy train, huh?

[A]

I think that's what everybody was trying to say.

[B]

I've got the big house, I've got four cars. God has blessed me and I earned it.

[A]

This is just a quote.

[B]

This is a statement of fact. That's Joyce Meyer.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You like that? Sure.

[A]

Sure. Yeah, sure.

[B]

This. Okay, how about this one last. This one's Real last one. Touch this screen. It's a televangelist. Touch the screen. Sow your best seed. Poverty demons flee.

[A]

That sounds like Kenneth Copeland.

[B]

No.

[A]

Poverty demons flee.

[B]

Poverty demons flee. Touch the screen. Sow your best seed.

[A]

Yeah, that's all prosperity.

[B]

Poverty demons flee.

[A]

Bullshit. You're not going to get any richer by touching a screen if you sow

[B]

your seed or praying a prayer. I'm just touching the screen. And so am I.

[A]

Seed. Who is that?

[B]

Benny Hinn.

[A]

Ah, that makes a lot of sense.

[B]

Ah, Benny Hinn.

[A]

Classic. Grade A grifter.

[B]

Yeah. Grade A grifter. Yeah. What? Okay, let me ask you this. Do you have any pastoral words of wisdom about finances that you carry with you to this day?

[A]

A quote, where your treasure is, that's where your heart is.

[B]

That's the Bible. That's not a pastoral. No, I want a pastor quote.

[A]

Oh, then no, I don't.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Nothing that I would say remains true because I've had to do a lot of reworking around my mindset about money.

[B]

What's the worst quote you ever heard about finances?

[A]

Probably the most egregious one is because it's everything everybody's heard it is. People just started saying the love the. That money is the root of all evil rather than the love of money is the root of all evil. I think that's probably the most well known misquote of what the Bible actually says that probably proliferates. A lot of people who grew up religious is that they conflate those two things, and those are two wildly different things. True.

[B]

Go ahead and close this out there, Travis. Thank you so much. We're gonna go ahead and bring this in for a landing. The eagle has landed.

[A]

Say, I don't know what this sounds like, but it's not.

[B]

This is like when you're watching a movie. They're in space and they go, folks, we are approaching an asteroid field.

[A]

Yeah. All right, well, that's it for this episode of the show. Remember, money only solves your money problems, but it's easier to solve the rest of your problems with money in the bank. So let's solve that one first here on the Travis Makes Money podcast. Thanks for tuning in. Catch you next time. Peace.

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