CO-HOST | Make Money by Thinking for Yourself in a World That’s Trying to Sell You Something

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Travis Makes Money

Host: Travis Chappell
Co-Host/Producer: Eric
Episode: Make Money by Thinking for Yourself in a World That’s Trying to Sell You Something
Date: February 21, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Travis Makes Money dives deep into the complicated landscape of modern decision-making, where every side—including doctors, wellness influencers, media, and thought leaders—may have something to sell. Travis and Eric use current health debates (e.g., pharmaceuticals vs. supplements), advertisements in the media, and popular financial advice personalities as lenses to discuss how individuals can protect themselves from being manipulated or misled. The ultimate thread: to truly thrive financially and personally, you have to think for yourself—no outsourcing your judgment to “experts.”

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Key Discussion Points

1. The Ubiquity of Sales Agendas

(01:21–02:52)

• Eric brings up a satirical post by Dr. Nisha Patel highlighting how both mainstream medicine and wellness influencers criticize each other’s profit motives.

• Quote:

  “Doctors only push pills. They don't care about lifestyle.”
  — “Also wellness influencer: Buy my unproven expensive as fuck supplement… use code: doctors lie to you”
  (01:25, quoted post via Eric)

• Travis recognizes the humor and the truth in the post, setting the tone for a discussion about who to trust in a world where everyone seems motivated by selling something.

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2. Pharmaceutical Industry, Advertising, and Skepticism

(02:52–08:26)

• Travis unpacks his personal approach: lean on holistic methods first, but acknowledges nuance and complexity in deciding between traditional and alternative care.

  "It's a very nuanced conversation… Everybody's medical history is so different… I try to lean on more holistic methods first.” — Travis (02:52)

• He voices concern about the pharmaceutical industry's influence and profit motives, particularly the fact that only the U.S. and New Zealand allow direct-to-consumer pharma advertising:

  “It's obviously such a corrupt industry because it's the only thing that can be sold without having an actual sales process.” — Travis (03:04)

• Eric and Travis discuss a Tucker Carlson segment (05:26–08:26) positing that pharma ads aren’t merely to sell drugs, but to secure favorable coverage by funding networks.

  “[Ad buying] is a public relation lobbying tactic, essentially to buy off the news. The news is a refer[ee]. They're not investigating pharma.” — Quote from clip/guest (07:15)

• Travis points out the danger of suppressing critical questioning and cites the “bite model” (Stephen Hassan) relating to behavior/information/thought/emotion control.

  “Any field, any context where you're not allowed to ask questions, that is a problem.” — Travis (08:26)

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3. Sales Agendas Beyond Pharma (Supplements, Meat, Oil, Media)

(09:49–11:22)

• Eric broadens discussion: wellness influencers also push products; other industries (oil, red meat, farming, etc.) deploy similar tactics to sway public opinion.
• Both hosts agree: wherever there’s money, there’s potential for manipulation—be it holistic products, medical protocols, political viewpoints, or investment strategies.

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4. The Hard Truth: You Must Think for Yourself

(11:22–13:27)

• Travis outlines why so many people default to “experts”: people crave certainty and clear direction.

• He warns against blindly following anyone, whether it’s a medical/pharma expert or an alternative health guru.

  “We all desire certainty. So we outsource the thought process part to people we perceive as being experts… But the bad news is, you're gonna have to think more.” — Travis (11:32)

• Using the vaccine debate as an example, Travis explains the problem with polarized thinking—there’s exploitation and truth on both sides.

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5. The "Middle Way" and Personal Case Studies

(13:27–17:48)

• Travis shares a story about two friends with MS—one who benefits from holistic and dietary interventions, and another who refuses to consider anything not doctor-mandated:

  “If those things helped, my doctor would have told me. So, no thank you.” — Paraphrased patient view (15:22)

• He emphasizes that both the pharma world and the supplement space are rife with snake oil, grifters, and aggressive marketers.

  “It's probably somewhere in the middle…Western medicine is an amazing, amazing thing...but it does not have all the answers.” — Travis (13:54)

• Travis recommends following level-headed, evidence-based people (like Max Lugavere) who aren’t constantly pushing a single product or method.

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6. Practical Takeaways: Critical Thinking, Research, Balance

(19:09–22:27)

• Travis recounts his own cancer experience: grateful for both Western surgical intervention and for holistic advice on recovery and prevention.

  “When I got diagnosed with cancer, I was pretty grateful that Western medicine was around to immediately do surgery…But I was also grateful for the holistic side…” — Travis (19:09)

• Drawing an analogy to leaving a strict religious background, Travis points out that life is harder but more rewarding when you think for yourself, rather than living by someone else’s “manual.”

• He foresees AI improving personalized medicine and is wary of multi-drug regimens with unknown interactions:

  “We have literally no idea what that unique mixture...is doing to the inside of your body.” — Travis (20:59)

• Bottom line:

  “You're just going to have to think a little bit more…do your own research…take opinions from multiple sources…and ultimately live with the decisions you have to make.” — Travis (19:09)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the sales pitch behind everything:

  “Most of these people are trying to sell you something. The bad news is you’re just going to have to think a little bit more.”
  — Travis (19:09)

• On media, pharma, and advertising:

  “News ad spending from pharma is a [public relations] lobbying tactic, essentially to buy off the news. The news is a refer[ee]. They're not investigating pharma.”
  — Guest/Clip, quoted by Eric (07:15)

• On certainty and expert worship:

  “We all…desire certainty. So we outsource the thought process part to people we perceive as experts.”
  — Travis (11:32)

• On finding the middle ground:

  “It's probably somewhere in the middle…Western medicine is an amazing thing…but it does not have all the answers.”
  — Travis (13:54)

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Important Timestamps

• 01:25: Satirical post about wellness influencers vs. doctors
• 03:04: Travis on the pharmaceutical sales process
• 05:26–08:26: Discussion of Tucker Carlson segment/allegiance between pharma sales and the media
• 11:22: Travis on the necessity of thinking for yourself
• 15:22: MS patient story illustrating closed-mindedness
• 19:09: Travis on his cancer experience and synthesizing medical approaches
• 20:59: Discussion of polypharmacy and excitement for AI-driven personalized medicine

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Final Takeaway

In a world where every faction—corporate, health, financial, or otherwise—has a sales pitch, the only way to real, sustainable success is to think critically, absorb information from multiple trusted (and skeptical) sources, and accept responsibility for your own decisions. There’s no shortcut—even if it’s the path of most resistance, it’s the only way to live a flourishing life and make smart money moves.

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Listen & Engage:
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Transcript

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[Travis Chappell]

you're listening to the Travis Makes Money podcast presented by GoHighLevel.com for a free 30 day trial of the best all in one digital marketing software tool on the planet. Just go to gohighlevel.com travis. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to Travis Makes Money podcast, where it's our mission to help you make more money. Today on the show, my producer Eric is in studio. We're also live on Instagram. So for those of you who are listening to the podcast, you know, in a couple weeks, whenever this episode releases, just know that from here on out, we're going to just try to go live on Instagram whenever we record these. So if you ever want to be a part of an episode, you want to ask some questions, you want to join us live, then follow me at Travis Chappell on Instagram, or we're at probably, probably going to start doing it on at Travis Makes Friends on Instagram just because that seems to be like a really engaged place for followers, even though I have more followers on my personal account. So. But yeah, at Travis Makes Friends or at Travis Chapel, if you want to join us live on a future episode. But let's go and jump into the content for today.

[Eric (Producer)]

Yeah, I saw a post the other day.

[Travis Chappell]

You saw a post?

[Eric (Producer)]

I saw a post.

[Travis Chappell]

A single post.

[Eric (Producer)]

And then you got off of Instagram, singular post. And I saved it just for you. Do you want to know about it? So the post was from a doctor, Dr. Nisha Patel, MD. And she posted Wellness Influencer. So she quoted a Wellness Influencer. It says doctors only push pills. They don't care about lifestyle. And then it says also wellness Influencer, buy my unproven expensive as fuck supplement, which is also a pill use code. Doctors lie to you first. Immediate reaction to that.

[Travis Chappell]

That's funny. That's a great post from a doctor.

[Eric (Producer)]

And well, I wanted to springboard into a larger conversation about and we've talked about it a lot where there's like everybody has something they're trying to sell.

[Travis Chappell]

Yeah.

[Eric (Producer)]

So like sometimes it's hard to know what's coming from actual wisdom of what's going to Help you versus what's just something to get some attention and notoriety. So when you, when you read something like that, you're obviously somebody who's like not. We'll keep in the medical world for a second, I immediately thought of like you chatting with Michael Smoke and it's like there's things doctors can't sell you. So it's not going to be advised first. When it comes to just the medical world in general, how do you choose to pick like, oh, this I'm going to go kind of more holistic route and follow this versus like I'm going to go traditional medicine and put my dollars there. How do you go about that?

[Travis Chappell]

It's a very nuanced conversation.

[Eric (Producer)]

You're going to say, very good question.

[Travis Chappell]

I was like, yes, it is. It's a good question.

[Eric (Producer)]

Thank you.

[Travis Chappell]

It is such a nuanced conversation. And it's not black and white. Like I can't, Everybody's.

[Eric (Producer)]

No, that was full color actually the post.

[Travis Chappell]

Everybody's, everybody's medical history is so different. So it's just, it's hard to say. I, what my personal philosophy is, is to try to lean on more holistic methods first. Like that's always the first thing that I'm going to try versus, versus going. Especially if it's some sort of like pharmaceutical drug. I just think, I don't know. I, it's, it's obviously such a corrupt industry because it's the only thing that can be sold without having an actual sales process. You know what I mean? Like when, when you're in a doctor's office and they prescribe you medication, there's not one person listening to this who's like, give me the pitch though. Like, what would you know what I mean? Like they're, they're not, they're not worried. The doctor's not worried about, you know, talking about all the benefits of the, like, it's not a sales call, you know, like you just accept whatever the doctor tells you and then you go get the prescription. Whether your insurance covers it or you have to pay out of pocket for it. It's whatever. This is what I have to take in order to take care of this problem. And that to me is worrisome because it's not a non profit industry. Pharmaceutical companies make so much money it is almost sickening. And the US and I believe New Zealand are the only two countries in the world that allows pharmaceutical companies to advertise anything which says something. It is something that I, it's like, look, I'm for free market. I'm for capitalism. But there's some things like that that's like, I don't know, like the, the call to action on those commercials of like, ask your doctor about this. It's like, why should I be asking my doctor about prescription medication? If it's truly a prescription medication, then they should be able to prescribe me the medication based on diagnosing the problem. I don't know. There's. Have you seen the something screwy with

[Eric (Producer)]

it, Tucker Carlson clip about that?

[Travis Chappell]

No.

[Eric (Producer)]

Sound like I sound like you right now. You spit my Zen out.

[Travis Chappell]

Since I'm such a big Tucker fan.

[Eric (Producer)]

Spit my Zen out. And then I'll go, hey, man, did you hear RFK on Tucker Carlson last night? But there was a. There was a clip he put out and it was. Why? Here, yeah, let me, let me, Let me play this clip here.

[Travis Chappell]

Okay?

[Eric (Producer)]

Because I don't know. Okay. I'm not a Tucker Carlson fan. Let me just say that for anybody listening. I just want to make that clear. But when I heard this explanation of why they run pharmaceutical ads on tv, it made a lot of sense to me. And I was like, this is kind of nefarious. Do you know? Do you know? Have you seen this? I can't believe this. I can't believe I'm recommending this to you. But to me, I was like, oh, this makes sense. Here we go.

[Travis Chappell]

But you're saying that pharma buys TV spots not to convince people to ask for specific drugs from their physicians, but to subvert the news business.

[Eric (Producer)]

Okay, let me find one with better audio quality because that's whoever ripped that.

[Guest or Clip Speaker]

I want you to understand the battle is, what are we going to do societally about the metabolic health crisis?

[Eric (Producer)]

Even if it could be.

[Travis Chappell]

And I'm not very dark Cali me.

[Eric (Producer)]

Well, well, is it bad? Just on the clip, Original clip, it sounds kind of muffled. Huh?

[Travis Chappell]

Yeah. You're saying, well, it doesn't sound bad to me. Pharma buys TV spots not to convince people to ask for specific drugs from their physicians, but to subvert the news business.

[Guest or Clip Speaker]

This is a. This is an open secret working for pharma.

[Travis Chappell]

I never even thought of that.

[Guest or Clip Speaker]

This is an open secret. The kind of silly ads you see between the news breaks. The points of. That is not. It's marginally to impact the customer.

[Eric (Producer)]

But.

[Guest or Clip Speaker]

But the, the pharma's already got that. They've already bought off the doctors. They're good on that. No, no, this is an open secret.

[Eric (Producer)]

The news ad, he had these, like he is like, that's gonna be my line.

[Travis Chappell]

Yeah.

[Eric (Producer)]

This is an open secret.

[Travis Chappell]

Secret.

[Eric (Producer)]

What did I just see? I watched a video the other day and the guy was like. He kept saying something. I was like, I know. He trained that line. Yeah, but then he said the line 12 times and I was like, okay, just say it.

[Guest or Clip Speaker]

The news. Ad spending from pharma is a public relation lobbying tactic, essentially to buy off the news. The news is a refer. They're not investigating pharma.

[Travis Chappell]

Oh, I've noticed.

[Eric (Producer)]

The news has become.

[Guest or Clip Speaker]

The news has become basically, I don't

[Eric (Producer)]

want whatever Tucker's taken. I don't want.

[Travis Chappell]

Have you seen the dude who does the impersonation of him?

[Eric (Producer)]

Oh, where he said like going into Mordor.

[Travis Chappell]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Guest or Clip Speaker]

Ready? That you were a terrible anti science luddite for asking why. You know the shots that we require our kids to get that fundamentally by their own advertising change the immune system of that child for life. Why it's gone from 20 to 70 to even ask that question. The news referees that and calls you anti science. When the two largest vaccine makers in the country are literally criminal enterprises. GlaxoSmith, Klein and Merck in the past five years has settled two of the largest criminal penalties in American corporate history for bribing and misleading. Bribing doctors and misleading. Creating misleading research who make. Who are the two largest vaccine makers. So you literally have the media playing refereed that you can't even ask a question. Parent is actually.

[Travis Chappell]

If you have a vaccine injury in many people, that's the, that's the big problem to me as well. You can't any, Any field, any context where you're not allowed to ask questions. That is a problem. And that comes directly from the way that we grew up. Was it like any. Any time where there's, you know, it's. It's the bite model from. From Stephen Hassan. You know, behavior control, information information control, thought control, emotion control. That's what that is. If you're not allowed to question something without being put into a bucket and vilified, then that's a problem. Well, you know, full stop.

[Eric (Producer)]

And that's where the thing for me made sense. Like about just, just like, oh, the ads are. The ad money is spent because if you're the one sponsoring all these segments, they're gonna think twice before criticizing your company. You know what I mean? Like, if Coca Cola is sponsoring your.

[Travis Chappell]

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[Eric (Producer)]

thing. You're not going to do an expose on Coca Cola for that night, especially

[Travis Chappell]

with the volume of ad dollars that they have.

[Eric (Producer)]

Yeah, but I mean I see this on both sides. Like, I see this obviously in the pharmaceutical side, but also like it's kind of the people that also, you know, there's people. And I think that's why I really appreciated the original post is like, there's also people that are like in the wellness influencer space. Yeah. Who will go, yeah, there's tons of money flowing into big pharma. But then it's like, then it's like RFK is making all these things about like red meat. And it's like there's also a ton of like, like meat. Meat manufacturer. That's the right word. But like there is a lot of money flowing in to prioritize like the sale of red meat and for eggs, for farming, you know, and like those industries do a lot, you know. So it's like same thing with like, it's like people that go like, oh, the global warming thing. But then they don't realize there's tons of money coming from oil companies that are pushing it, you know.

[Travis Chappell]

Right.

[Eric (Producer)]

So like, but I guess that's the thing that's really hard as a consumer is going, where do I put my,

[Travis Chappell]

how do I make a decision here?

[Eric (Producer)]

And I'll let you address that. But then I think you can step back into just everyday investment. We talk about this with Grant Cardone. It's like Grant Cardone has a process that he says is the way to do it that looks very different than what Dave Ramsey says. And it can be confusing if you haven't done either one and tested it out. Which way do I go? You know?

[Travis Chappell]

Well, the bad news about all of this is that it requires all of us to think more.

[Eric (Producer)]

Oh, Travis, don't make me do that. Is that good?

[Travis Chappell]

Yes, that's good.

[Eric (Producer)]

We should just do a whole episode where you just tell basic information and

[Travis Chappell]

I just go, well, it sounds so simple. But it's also people want. We all, we all desire certainty. Right. So it's a human condition. We desire certainty. We want to be certain about the decisions that we're making the actions we're taking. And so we outsource the thought process part to people who we perceive as being experts. And historically, experts have been classified by their standing or their position or the number of letters after their name, or whether or not this, this particular establishment or corporation or news source deems them as being worthy of being an expert. Or, and then, and then people based on their, the things that they already hold to believe. So like, you know, somebody that's watching Fox News versus somebody that's watching cnn, they're going to look at the experts that those people bring on and say like they're the expert and then go off of everything that that person says without questioning any of those things anymore. And to me, it's like, you, that, that, that's why I say the bad news is you're gonna have to think more because you, you. The, the vaccine was a really good one to me because it's like, I don't know where I stand on that. There's a lot of conflicting opinions and beliefs. I, I do tend to be like, okay, 70 is. Seems like a large number and that it's exponentially increased and that somebody is financially benefiting. And those people are like, not. They, they, they don't have to bear any responsibility for any negative outcomes of that thing. Like, they, they have a, they have a carte blanche on just launching whatever they want to launch, convincing people to sell it to their patients. And then if there's a negative outcome, it's like, darn, we messed up on that one. I guess we'll just take that one out of circulation and put in a new one. But there's no repercussions for them. It's like. But also nefarious things. But then you take that to the supplement.

[Eric (Producer)]

Kids shouldn't die from measles in 2020.

[Travis Chappell]

Correct, correct. Exactly. Exactly. That's what I'm saying is like, there's probably a balanced approach that we can, that we can all get on board for. But, and, but then that's why I say that that applies pharmaceutical space, but also applies to the supplement space too, because there' bunch of snake oil that's being sold to people who are fully bought into like, holistic health and everything. And it's like, yeah, but it's probably. Again, I know this is the most boring thing that I say all the time, but it's probably somewhere in the middle. You know, it's like, Western medicine is an amazing, amazing thing that has revolutionized society in general, but it does not have all the answers. And just because a doctor didn't tell you to do this thing does not mean that that person selling the supplement is wrong about the thing that they're saying, vice versa. So you have people who are on both sides of the equation. And I'll, I'll give you, I'll give you an example. We have a friend who has Ms. And she's super, super healthy, takes her health very seriously and has been able to sort of quell a lot of the symptoms through her own proactive, you know, diet choices and things. And then we have another friend. Granted, she's, she's older. She's, you know, 20, 30 years older than my other friend. So that, that also potentially plays, plays a role in that. But she got diagnosed with Ms. A little bit later in life. And my friend, who's a little bit more holistic and thinking about her health and who's also a nurse, by the way, so she, it's not, it's not just coming. It's not like she's selling essential oils for a living, you know what I'm saying? Like, she's a, she's a nurse by trade, also happens to have ms, and she is still really, you know, holistic in her approach to try to solve the problem. She was telling the other friend with Ms. Like, hey, here's the diet that I've been doing that I found that's like, helps with the symptoms, you know, here's some supplements, whatever. And our other friend's response was, literally, if those things helped, my doctor would have told me, so, no, thank you. And it's like, that is the other side of the coin that, that it's like. So because your doctor didn't tell you that you should eat healthier, you're not, you, you don't think that has anything to do with this autoimmune disease that, like, clearly has a lot to do with what you're feeding your body, you know, so, so it's, like I said, it's, it's dangerous when you start getting into these, these, the polarity of the camps and, and when you outsource your thought to other thought leaders, quote, unquote, thought leaders who, who have agendas and they, and they benefit from those agendas financially. They benefit from those agendas status wise. So I do my best to follow people who I think are general are generally just trying to have a holistic approach. Holistic not meaning, you know, not, not meaning, like just a naturopathic way, not just the, the medical doctor Maryland Western medicine way. But they, they, they take both, they take good things from both of them and they discard the bad things from both of them. That's why, especially for this conversation, for health and stuff, I follow people like Max Lugavir, who's become a friend of mine. He is somebody who I look at because he's not ever trying to push a single thing. He's just kind of like everybody, you know, do what's right for you. But ultimately if you just walk a little bit more and you drink some more water, get some sunlight, get good sleep, prioritize protein, you're probably going to be okay, you know, and it's like that is generally the advice that I try to follow is, is more like, okay, this is. He, he, he disseminates information from, from piles of research that I'm too dumb to understand and then gives that information out. But it's not a funnel that leads you to his like, supplement business because there's a lot of nefarious activity going on in that world too. Like I said, a lot of snake oil people just selling stuff. It's not, it's not necessarily stuff that's going to be harmful to you all the time. In fact, most of the time probably it's just literally snake oil. It's like you're, you're taking this thing that's supposed to help you with this particular result, when in reality it's like you have a, you have a supp stack, you do way more work. Thinking about the supplements that are literally the, the, the idea of the supplement is in the name. It's a supplement. It's supposed to be, it's supposed to supplement all of the other actual core activities. It's like I, I'm in pretty good shape and I take care of myself pretty well. Only supplements I take is like protein, creatine, you know, I don't, I don't have a stack of 32 pills that I'm taking every morning to try to regulate all the other things in, in my body. And frankly I, I probably am probably on the lower end of that. I should a couple of things like fish oil or magnesium or something like that, but, but for the most part. Close your eyes, exhale, feel your body relax, and let go of whatever you're carrying today. Well, I'm letting go of the worry that I wouldn't get my new contacts in time for this class. I got them delivered free from 1, 800 contacts. Oh my gosh, they're so fast. And breathe. Oh, sorry. I Almost couldn't breathe when I saw the discount they gave me on my first order. Oh, sorry. Namaste.

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[Travis Chappell]

Experian. And like most of these people, are trying to sell you something. And so the bad news about all this is that you're just going to have to think a little bit more. You have to use your own brain. You're going to have to do your own research. You're going to have to take opinions from multiple sources and then discard what feels right to you based on the research that you do and then ultimately live with the decisions that you have to make. But, like, when I got diagnosed with cancer, I was pretty grateful that Western medicine was around to immediately do surgery and remove the cancer from my body. But I was also grateful for the holistic side where I got to reach out to naturopathic doctor friends of mine who gave me, like, regimen to follow for, you know, trying to battle that from a. From whatever I'm putting into my body as well. So it was like, yeah, I'm gonna take a little bit of this, I'm gonna take a little bit of that, and I'm gonna try to formulate my own, you know, thoughts or opinions based on the research that I've done. It's just the crappy thing about that is that it's hard. You know, it's just. It's the same to me. It's the same thing as what happened when, like, you and I left the church. It's like they were. We were used to. We were used to just being given a user's manual where it was like, do this, don't do that, do this, don't do that, do this, don't do that. And it eliminates. It cancels the exercise of having to think and formulate your own values that tell you whether or not you should or should not do something. And it's the same thing in the health space, too. It's like if you're, if you're just in this one ecosystem, you know, it's like, well, sometimes eating more vegetables isn't going to do anything. For that particular issue that you have, you might need surgery or you might need penicillin or some antibiotics. Like, there's so many good things that have come from that. And discarding one or the other completely is probably not the best way to go about it. And then fully adopting one or the other is probably not the best way to go about it. Like the, the I, I, it.

[Eric (Producer)]

It.

[Travis Chappell]

It pains me when I see people that have, like, those, those p. You know, for like Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and it's like they have 13 prescription medications that they're taking. We have literally no idea what that unique mixture of the permutation of chemicals that exist in all of those different medicines are doing to the inside of your body. In particular, one of the things I'm super excited about with AI is that we'll probably be able to map out each individual person's, like, genome and what this particular drug is doing and how. How these three drugs together, probably taken at the. The same time, are going to, in 10 years, potentially cause this other problem. You know what I mean? So that's why I say, like, if I can take care of the problem naturally, I'm probably going to go that route first because it just makes more sense to me to, to go more natural rather than like, immediately, immediately just accepting whatever chemical compound the pharmaceutical industry barely got passed by the FDA with these clinical trials, who. They also have lobbyists, you know what I mean? It's like, there's so much nefarious activity going on there that it definitely makes me have a lot of questions before I just go, like, yeah, sure, Doc, I'll take whatever you recommend to me. But then also, if I have an infection, I'm going to take the antibiotics, you know, Like, I'm not just going to be like, no, screw that. I'm going to just increase my iron or whatever. It's like, nah, I'm going to do a little bit of both. So I know that's not extremely helpful, but the bottom line is like, the, the. You're going to have to do more work to figure it out.

[Eric (Producer)]

Right. Well, I actually forgot to take my pills, so go ahead and wrap up the episode.

[Travis Chappell]

All right, listening. Remember, money only solves your money problems, but it's easier to solve the rest of your problems with money in the bank. So let's solve that one first here on the Travis Makes Money podcast. Thanks for tuning in. And then keep in mind, too, if you're listening to this right now, we are going to start going live while we batch record these episodes. So we usually sit down, do five, six, seven episodes in a two, three hour time frame. So we're just going to start going live during all of those. If you want to be part of the conversation.

[Eric (Producer)]

We do three, four, five, six, seven, six, seven episodes.

[Travis Chappell]

But yeah, so join us live sometime at Travis Chappell on Instagram or at Travis Makes Friends. We'll kind of probably keep switching between those.

[Eric (Producer)]

Or at Travis Makes Money. Who knows?

[Travis Chappell]

Just follow all my shit everywhere and then we'll engage over there. So thanks for tuning in. We'll catch you on the next episode. Peace.