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You're listening to the Travis Makes Money podcast presented by GoHighLevel.com for a free 30 day trial of the best all in one digital marketing software tool on the planet, just go to gohighlevel.com travis. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to the Travis Makes Money podcast, where it's our mission to help you make more money. Today on the show, my producer Eric is in studio. What's up, man?
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What's up? Call me a dog because I got a tail for you.
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Okay, dog.
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No, I'm just kidding. I don't know.
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You're just kidding.
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Maybe we should restart. That was good. That's a good one. Good strong hook. So the last couple of weeks, I think I started telling you this, I had Mormons approaching me right before I moved. The first time I had Mormons that would come by and try to invite me to church.
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Before you moved to South Carolina?
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Yeah. Wasn't that happening then?
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I think so, yeah. Okay. Yeah, definitely. You definitely told me about that. Yeah.
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So the last couple weeks, I don't know if it's the same Mormons or different Mormons, but I've taken my dog out to the bathroom and literally, like, I'll be going out. It's always Saturday. It's Saturday night, and I'll be walking, taking the dog, and I'll be going out the gate. And they're going out their gate and.
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Like, they live in your complex.
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I don't know. Or if they just, I, I, they.
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Were assigned to that territory.
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I don't know. Yeah, but, but I was going out and then they go, they go, hey, man, would you like to go to church with us Sunday? And I always go, no, I'm good, man, thanks. But it's kind of funny because the last time I was gonna joke, but I was actually, I had prepared the joke the second time that the, that I was gonna say. The third time they asked me, I was gonna say, well, the third time is usually the charm, but I'm still good. But I didn't do it because I was kind of in a bad mood. And then I was like, no, I don't want to go. But. But it is kind of funny because, like, there's part of me that was like, I should. Maybe I should. Yeah, maybe I should just go once, just to go check it out. But all that to say, it reminded me back of my glory days, going knocking doors, inviting people to church. And I thought of this idea as you were doing the last episode, but I'm Curious. You, you were an avid door to door knocker. You were inviting people, evangelizing people.
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Oh, yeah.
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What are some of the things that you learned by doing evangelism that translated into really helpful sales or business skills?
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I mean, it's all the same.
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All of it.
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You know, it's all the same.
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Overcoming rejection, knocking. No soliciting sites. Yeah.
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Quite literally. It's really just, it's the exercise of boldness, I think is what's really valuable where you are charged with, especially at that time. Like something that's, you know, really difficult to talk about. It's like. And when I look back at it now, it's funny just because I was like a 12 year old. Yeah. We go out like teen soul winning trips, you know, and it's like me and another 12 year old knocking a.
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Door in the worst part of town.
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Yeah. Which in Lancaster isn't hard to find in.
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Well, I should have said in Lancaster.
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Yeah. You learn a lot from doing that. It's essentially all like, churches are businesses. They're. They don't have to pay taxes, but they're. They're businesses. And evangelizing is marketing and sales. That's literally what it is. And then fulfillment is discipleship and the services and everything, you know, so getting people to come into the church and then getting them to be members and then getting them to give a percentage of everything they make forever to the, like, there's. It's a, it is nothing if not a very sophisticated sales funnel.
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It's, it's almost, if you think about it, it's almost like a timeshare. Like when you go to a meeting and they slowly increase the temperature on you. Yeah, yeah, but it's like that. But with your tithes and offerings, for sure.
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Well, it's the, it's very similar to like the seminar convention model that a lot of businesses run, which is exactly what the, what the church is. You know what I mean? Like, especially when I look back at when I was quote unquote, called to ministry, I was 12 in my first ever youth conference. And when you're growing up there, it's like you can't wait till you get to go to youth conference because it looks so cool. And you're in elementary school and all the big kids are at youth conference and it's like, oh, it's so cool. They get to go to Six Flags with their friends. Like, that's awesome. And then, and so I get there and it's. I'm 12, it's an auditorium full.
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I.
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Mean, you went to youth conference. How many, how many teens you say were in there? Like 2,500.
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I'm so bad at guesstimating numbers.
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I would say 2,000 to 3,000 teenagers from different churches across the entire country.
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Yeah, I think two, I think 2000 is what they would say or like 1900 or something.
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Yeah, sounds about right. Because I think the, the auditorium max capacity was something around 2500.
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But I'm, I'm bad at guessing because when you spoke in Florida at that POD convention right before COVID Yeah. I thought it was like 2,000 people in there. Yeah. And then you're like, it's like 700.
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Yeah, I think it was like 1200, 1100, something.
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But I was, I was like, there's kind of like 2, 3000 people just.
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Say that sounds better.
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Which is great because when I tell people about, I'm like, yeah, he's got like a 5 million followers and spoke in a crowd of about 3,000 people internationally, billions. I, I love that you put me in this chair in the corner. Cuz it makes me put my hands together like this and I go full trunk. There were billions of people there. Billions of people. It was beautiful. It was terrific, beautiful people. But no, seriously, I, I just need a long red tie. He put me in this corner. He put me in the corner. I don't know why he did it. Yeah.
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So yeah, I'm sitting there in, you know, they, they control the temperature, they make it a little bit colder in there so that you are a little bit, you know, more attentive. And then the last, the, the entire intent behind the, the college throwing youth conference is to get people to come to the college. Right. So sort of a recruiting tool to get kids to commit to ministry and then, and then go to the ministerial colleges on the campus. So I'm 12. My home pastor is the pastor of the church. He gives the final like message which is the, the message was called who will go. Whole things about, you know, gotta go to full time ministry. And, and then he has obviously just a tremendous amount of influence over everybody in that world because he's like the guy in that world. And so I like everybody see everybody saw him as like the guy. But then like when you grow up going to the church there, it's almost like an exaggerated version of that because it's like sense of pride to be like, that's my pastor. And you know, and so he, he preached the message, who will go? And then it was a, it was a 45 minute invitation. At the end of the service, there was an ensemble on stage, and the song that they sang on repeat live was called Here Am I, I Will Go.
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I was there. There's.
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I know there's, you know, tears and there's music and there's the temperature in the room. Every single piece of content and media, everything that you've been exposed to up to that point is engineered in to get you to fill out that commitment card and say, like, this is what I'm doing with the rest of my life. And then when I got into business, I just. It was just so. It was so clear, you know, to see it being played out in the business context, just like it was being played out there.
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And.
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And I was like, man, there's so much stuff that I took away from. From especially that. Especially that church. Because they were actually good. You know what I mean? Like, they were. They were good at it. So to. To sit in those audiences, listen to the speakers who still to this day, some of the best speakers I've between hiring my.
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So I was trying to find a clip that reminded me of this. It was not a totally random clip, but I saw a clip that reminded me of like, when you look at an event versus church.
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Yeah.
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But let me find it with the volume not on while you talk.
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But yeah, it was. It was just so clear to see the. The similarities between those two. And there's so many takeaways from it, especially from a leadership perspective, from a communication perspective, persuasion. Like I said, the. The level of speakers that I watched growing up, all the. On repeat to the tune of like, you know, seven to 14 services a week type of a thing. And then our church was a really big church in that space. So all the best guest speakers would come in and speak. You.
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You.
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I mean, I learned a lot through osmosis, just by sitting in the crowds and watching people like that command attention and persuade entire rooms of people to do a certain thing. And so starting out on the Doors, Soul Winning, obviously, like, had a huge impact on that, but because I get that question a good amount like on other podcasts where people like, did you know, like, no wonder you are good at Door to Door because you grew up knocking doors, whatever. And it's like, yeah, it's true. But also, so did all of my friends.
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Yeah.
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And a lot of them didn't do well in Door to Door. So I don't know exactly what it was, but it definitely like the rejection piece, the boldness piece, because I remember being physically uncomfortable when I was like 12, 13. First started going door knocking outside of like going with my parents, you know, because you get in a youth group and then the youth group goes out with just the teens. And so when, when it would come down to it, it was easy to phone it in and just knock the door and be like, hey, come to church. But then you're supposed to finish off every conversation with the question of, you know, do you know if you died today, would you go to heaven or hell? And I remember being very, very uncomfortable when I first started asking that question, but forcing myself to get through that question even though it was very uncom. And then, you know, a lot of times it wouldn't go anywhere. But then when I started getting better at communicating the message and quote, unquote, overcoming the objections on the doorstep, it was like, man, well, man, there's sometimes where we'd go out as 8th graders for an afternoon and we come back with like five salvations on doorsteps that, that were a direct result from me and other, you know, kids in the class asking people that, that question. So I mean, boldness and courage are wildly underrated aspects of success in any business venture. So that was something that was trained into me pretty early on was just the courage to have the boldness to ask the difficult questions or to, to, to live in the discomfort and be okay. You know what I mean? Because that's, that's the piece that is really difficult for most people that are even trying their, trying their hand at sales is like they, they, that's why like I forget the actual stat, but I think it's 60, 70% of salespeople don't ask for the first close. Like they never actually ask for the sale. And that's the exact reason why they, they don't. They can't stand the uncomfortable moment that happens in between the time that they ask for the sale and the answer that the prospect is going to give them. And I guess I got, I got pretty comfortable with that fairly early, half.
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To 2/3, 60 to 70% range. I'm curious how they like measure that.
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Yeah, I also am, but it's, I've seen that stat over and over and over again. I'm sure there's some sort of way to study that, but I, that, that's. It's mind blowing. It's mind blowing. It's like you, you did all this work, you know what I mean? Like, you showed up, ask the questions, did the presentation get all the way to the end and you're not going to ask for the business. That's the reason you're doing this. Like, you got, like. You have to get over that. You know, that. That uncomfortable feeling. You know, you can tell when. Even when I'm in a prosp. I'm talking to a salesperson, I can tell who's experienced and who's inexperienced by how much they prolong asking me for the business. You know what I'm saying? Like, you can tell. They just. They keep kind of dancing around it, or they start stuttering a lot towards the end, or, you know, they're about to go in for the clothes because they. You can see it in their body language, their tonality. They start getting super timid. They start. They start. You know, their eyes start darting around the room, and they. They. They might shift in their chair a little bit. You know what I mean?
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There's.
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There's so many body language cues that they're giving off. It's like you're about to ask for the sale and you're wildly uncomfortable in doing it, which means that, like, I have complete control in this conversation right now versus somebody who's really good at it that just goes in, says it, and then deals with whatever objections might be coming through. So that boldness and the ability to sit in discomfort, I think are two things that I took away from. From knocking doors for church early on. But there's also, I mean, like I said, so many other lessons that I've taken away in other fields. You know, mainly public speaking, communication, the art of controlling a room. Like, those things are. Are more. More fascinating to me, and I learned a lot from just watching those people growing up.
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You. You interviewed Andrew Cordle from. Yeah. Why? I want to say Thrive. Aspire. Yeah, Sorry. Cool. From Aspire. And he, you know, he was from one of the Mack Daddy mega churches in that movement, but, well, went to the college. Well, yeah, I mean, but you don't have a Bible college. It's not run by the local church. Hey, man. Anyway, so he. But he posted a clip the other day, and I was like, this is the most churchy vibe.
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Really.
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The background music here. Look, just. I'm gonna play a second of it. Just even the way he, like, breaks it down and. No, it works. But I was like, this is the most churchy. Like, you can see it all. Yeah, right here.
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Right three.
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Right now.
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For. Listen to me.
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For ten years.
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So you. I. I appreciate it. I'm not for the pause, but I appreciate. But I want you to understand this point. For 10 years, I. I've paid It I paid my mom and dad's house off free and clear. My mom and dad to this day live in a free and clear house. My mom and dad both drive the cars that they want paid off free and clear. There's no debt on them. I paid every bill for my mom and dad's life for the last 10 years. Plus I paid every single vacation, every single anything they did. I. I paid for all that in their lives for 10 years. The greatest day of my life was retiring. My, my mom and dad in life. Reason to the stories not so you're happy for me reason tell you the story is because me and you're the same, bro. We're the same. We're trying to figure this out about money. Not because we want to be rich, not because we're greedy, not because we're selfish. All of us in this room that are business owners, you'll find the most sacrificial giving people in the. In anywhere you go is entrepreneurs.
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I watched, I was like real church alter alter call.
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I mean, that's essentially their entire business model, right? Aspire's business model is. It's a seminar, you know, business, essentially an event space business.
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Right, Right.
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And Eddie Wilson actually was on the show recently breaking down, breaking it down a little bit. And he was talking about how basically like their, their entire goal is to talk to as many entrepreneurs as possible, but the event itself, even though they, they, they go monthly to different cities, it's a. What. It's a massive operation. Like they're doing 2,000 to 4,000 people on every event that they do, and they do one a month in different cities. So it's not even like they're building, you know, loyal area and they do events for them. It's like they're all over the country in a different city every month selling out these events. And then they get people to go to another event essentially, and then they basically break even and sometimes lose money on, on the events themselves. But they have this like, sort of engine on the back end that is a bunch of services for entrepreneurs like taxes and accounting and all these other, you know, merchant process, all these other things that you need as a business owner. So they basically just are willing to lose money on putting up these massive production events to talk to as many entrepreneurs as they possibly can. So that there's an entire suite of services that once they earn the trust of those people, it's like, well, why wouldn't I use these people who. I've gone to six of their events. I like Their stuff and like, well, they have tax services. Let's just use them, you know.
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Have you ever gone to one?
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Yeah, yeah. They're, I mean they're, they do a great job. They're, they're, they're very, very good at putting on like a, a very precise event for a specific purpose and they're great at securing talent and, and they're great speakers themselves. Andrew, he's a really good speaker. So, yeah, it's, it's, it works. You know what I mean? And that, that model I learned, I feel like I learned that directly from the church. Even when I was, even when we did our, our only live event that we sold from. It was like, you, you think about all those things from that perspective and, and, and set it up in that way and you can walk away with like good size paychecks, you know. So there, there's a, there's a lot of things that I took away from, from the church, especially when it comes to like, I, I don't know. I've actually thought about that with my kids. I don't know how you felt. Feel about this, but like, public speaking is such a. Unique. Might not be the right word. I guess it's a powerful skill set. I would say, like just the, the ability to be somewhat comfortable in front of people is a, is a really powerful, powerful skill set. And I definitely, I, I don't know how I would have been able to gain that experience other than growing up in the church. And so that's one thing I've even thought about for my kids is like, how do I, you know, outside of the church, get them to be comfortable going up on stage or getting in front of people?
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You can't find what you need outside of the church, Travis.
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What's that?
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You can't find what you need outside of the church. I hate to break it to you.
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But yeah, it's something. It's some. It's probably, it's probably the biggest pro of how we grew up was just. You just get up in front of people all the time. And I was somebody who, you know, looked for those opportunities anyway all the time, as much as I could. But it taught me how to prep for them. I remember having a conversation with Josh Irmler when I was. Because he was our junior high youth pastor. And I was like, I always forget that I was going into. I think I was going into seventh grade. So he was about to be my youth pastor. And I knew that they, they did like teen takeover stuff for even like the youth Group services and whatever. And so I was talking to him about, you know, how do I, how do I get up in front of people? He was like, well, you have to be ready for the opportunity when it presents itself. So why don't you go to preaching camp this summer? Yeah, you know, And I was like, that was, felt super uncomfortable to me. But I ended up summer before my seventh grade year. So I was 12, I went to preaching camp, which is essentially just a week long. It's an interim, it's a college level homiletics course teaching you how to preach, how to structure a sermon, how to structure thoughts and get up. And so like the first time I ever like got up in front of people and preached whatever, I was 12. Yeah. And felt super uncomfortable. I just kept doing it. And then to Josh's credit, he kept giving me, giving me more opportunities because he saw that I was like preparing and I was constantly, always working on it and trying to get better at it. So, you know, got up on stage age a lot from the time that I was from 12 to, you know, 22, way more than most people get in the majority of their lifetime, let alone in that, in those like, early dev developmental stages. So it was extremely helpful for me at that time.
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Dude, I hate, I, I, I was so chicken about public speaking. I remember even in like class would be like, you have to give a report in front of class. And I was like, it's funny because I, I, and not like when I was in high school, I would like walk around six flags and high five to like, everybody I saw. Like, it was that dude. But then it was like, read this report in front of the class and I would like, shut down. And I remember I've told you this story before, but when I was working at the media company in Fresno and I had to record a video about the media department and what we do. And I went like 11:30 at night because no one would be there. And I hit record. I stood in front of the camera, I looked in the lens and I started tearing up like I was going to start crying.
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By yourself?
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Yeah, by myself. Nobody was there. And I was like. So I was like, I can't do that. I literally, like stopped it. And I'm tearing up right now. Is it because I'm having a flashback? But I literally, I clearly gotten over that. I hit record. I tell people that all the time who are nervous about doing stuff. So I'm like, look, there's something wrong with you if you feel totally comfortable. But I remember I literally, nobody's there. Nobody's in the building. Nobody's even in that block. You remember where it was empty. And I stared down the lens and just started, like, crying. Like, not like. But just, like, my eyes were watering. You could tell they're, like, red. But started putting in reps, doing stuff like that. And then I got really. I loved public speaking. I got really into it the last two years that I was doing, like, ministry stuff. And I hated it because I left ministry. And then it's like, you don't have many opportunities like that, like you said to speak. And so I was, like, chasing this, like. Like, man, I love speaking. Where am I going to speak? So I'm kind of excited because I know over the next couple years, like, with my show growing and stuff, like, I can start pursuing some of that stuff again. But I've hated not being able to do it. And it is. When you think about having kids, it's like, how do you get them in situations where they get to do right stuff like that?
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Even just the training that we got on structuring a sermon. It's speech writing.
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You guys got training. They just said, you got 10 minutes. I'm like, oh, yeah.
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No, we, like, we got some really good stuff. Like I said, from great speakers, too. Like, you know, with Dr. Like, Dr. Goetch is still to this day one of the best public speakers in general that I've ever seen.
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Yeah.
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And he was the one teaching the classes, you know, and sermon prep was Brian Sams. Incredible public speaker, very persuasive person, highly energetic. Like, somebody who's actually very good at it. You know what I mean?
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My pastor would always introduce Brian Samsung, and I don't know if Brian Sanders would remember this, but he'd always be like, he is just a little fireball. But it is.
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Who's the term little?
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He was so disrespectful. I remember we did. He would come in to do, like, revivals, and I share my pastor, like, yeah, he is just a little fireball. But it is funny because if anyone's a little fireball, it is him. Like, he is a little fireball. I don't know why I just thought of that.
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Yeah, he's a cool guy. He was always good to me. But he was also very, very good speaker.
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I. I like the guy. He gave a positive review to Let Us Pray. I watched his podcast. Two parts. Yes, two parts. Really talked about. Let Us Pray was very positive. I appreciated it. We talk all the time. No, you don't. No, we don't. But he is a little fireball.
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But he did give a review for.
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He didn't. And it was actually very positive. So shout out Brian Sams.
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Good for him. Yeah, that's cool.
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I'm clipping all this to all that.
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To say I don't know exactly what the solution is going to be for. For my kids, but I do think it's extremely valuable to get.
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Yeah.
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Because it's the number one fear. You know, death is number two, which is crazy.
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I love. So that Michael Hyatt shares that. And I love every time I post like a version on that clip because he says though, and I'd interrupt you in the middle of saying what it is, but Jerry Seinfeld has a great bet, which I knew before Hyatt said it because I'm. I know everything about Seinfeld. Not a fan of some things he did. I want to be clear. I don't want to cross contaminate my brands here. But anyway. But Jerry Seinfeld has a really funny joke about public speaking where he says the number one fear is public speaking, number two is death. So you'd rather be in the coffin than delivering the eulogy. Yeah. And there's a clip of Michael Hyatt on your show quoting that. And he says people would rather be in the coffin than giving the obituary. And there's always like 20 people that are like, it's eulogy. Actually get the joke right. I'm like, do you know what he's saying? Yeah, let's move on, huh?
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He's not actually performing this live. He's recollecting this on a podcast anyway.
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Yeah. But yeah, I mean, there's a lot more opportunities I think too, because like there's speech clubs and stuff like that. And I think also Toastmasters even doing like some, you know, performance type stuff I think is great. Which, you know. Yeah.
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Which again, we got a lot of opportunities to do that.
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Yeah. Which. And you have great teachers in this area that are like, I perform in Las Vegas in huge shows and I also teach classes. Right. While we're closing this episode, I'll just.
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Make them do stand up comedy 13.
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I've seen some 13 year olds kill. Sometimes I'll have one come across my feed. I'm like, oh, shoot. Yeah, that's amazing.
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But if you can master those types of things when you're, when you're at an age where there's just no, there's truly no consequences. You know what I mean? It's like you get up as a 13 year old, you have. Everybody's so lenient in judging how you're doing.
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Except for your friends, who are also 13.
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Yeah, right, exactly.
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Hey, pimple face.
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When you go back to school.
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Yeah. Well, I know we have to wrap up the episode, but I gotta show you this clip. If for nothing else. Social media fodder. Have you seen Drew Ski's megachurch?
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Yes.
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Okay, I'm gonna play it anyway. It's so good.
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Fantastic. The red bottoms. Being hoisted up. He's floating over the crowd.
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I'm gonna have Wanda stand up here. Wanda, please. Wanda told us earlier this month that she could not have a baby anymore. So I impregnated her with the word of God.
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I'm going to impregnate everyone with the word of God. You gonna get pregnant with the word of God. You gonna get pregnant with the word of God? You gonna get pregnant with the word of God?
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Collect and praise in the background in the congregation.
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Ask why I'm wearing Christian Dior and Christian louboutans.
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Cause I'm a Christian and I walk in the blood of Jesus. Give him some praise. I'm a Christian first and I want.
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Give him some praise.
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Give him some praise. Give him some praise.
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So we are raising funds for a project in Zimbabwe.
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Yes.
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D
We are trying to get our congregation over in Africa. Amen. We wanted to raise $4 million for that.
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B
Amen. Hallelujah.
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D
That needs to be appear today.
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E
We are not letting anyone leave until.
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D
We reach our goal. Amen.
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A
Amen.
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B
Hallelujah.
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E
Life savings here. Give him some praise for that. Giving his life savings up.
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D
Apostle Richie says what he say maybe can you help me?
- [26:35]
E
I said a Cana. Help me. I said a Canaan. Help me.
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D
I'mma finish this word here.
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A
The dabbing of the sweat.
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D
I'm going do the Christian version. I'm driving this Billy Bentega.
- [26:49]
E
Cause I believe in Christ. Can you leap on your legs like a survivor? Can you leap on your legs? Tell the money fall out your pockets.
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A
Still Praise the Lord.
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D
I need you to pray.
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B
No wife.
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F
Hey, come on, man.
- [27:15]
D
Hey.
- [27:15]
A
Get. Get your hands off my car.
- [27:16]
D
You gave ti as an off.
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A
No, the up, man.
- [27:22]
B
So good. That's so good.
- [27:27]
A
Oh, man.
- [27:28]
B
Driski is funny.
- [27:29]
A
Call to action. Go watch Righteous gemstones.
- [27:31]
B
Have you seen that? Have you ever seen that original? I won't play it here, but have you ever seen that original clip of. Of the guy saying, we're gonna lock you in here?
- [27:39]
A
No.
- [27:39]
B
Oh, wait, hold on. Okay, sorry. This. This is. You are gonna show It. Enjoy the mega bonus episode, because this is insane here. Let me see.
- [27:46]
F
There's 1,000 of you. I said close them doors. Ushers, close the doors. Close the doors. Close the doors. There's 1,000 of you.
- [27:56]
B
Oh, wait, there's a. But he goes on, he starts telling them, oh, yeah, here we go.
- [28:01]
F
I said, close them doors. Ushers, close the door.
- [28:05]
B
This is a hard sell tactic here.
- [28:07]
F
Close the doors.
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A
But it's for the mission.
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F
It's a thousand that's watching online. This is a small seed. If I get a thousand online to give this, if I get a thousand in the sanctuary to give this, that's $40,000 tonight. Now, everyone up here, we've all sold and seated, but I need everyone standing up here with us, with me to plant a seed of 100, because again, it costs to sit up here. And this is what I need you to do. If you're giving electronically or even if you're giving tangibly, I'm gonna have y' all come to the altar and give it, because I need to see a thousand people moving. Bring them baskets. Bring. I want the baskets up here. I want to see the folk. Y' all start moving. Y' all can bring it right now. Come, come, come, come, come. A thousand people need to give $20. A thousand people need to give 20 tax free, baby.
- [28:59]
B
Anyway, Close it up.
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A
Close.
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B
Hey, close the doors and close us out. Close the doors.
- [29:05]
A
Close the doors, man. All right, well, that is it for today's episode. Remember, money only solves your money problems, but it's easier to solve the rest of your problems. Money in the bank. So let's start with that one first here on the Travis Makes Money podcast. Thanks for tuning in. Peace.