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I was recently on whatnot the other day, just shopping around, looking frankly, because I was just blown away that this is something that people are doing with their time. And so I was like, I got
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to go see if this thing is real before I talk about it on the show.
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And so I'm browsing whatnot, looking around, finding things, and it's crazy to see the volume of people that are just having fun in the chat. They're watching people do live shopping. It's like, it's like, you know, QVC
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directly on your phone.
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It's something you need to try, I'm telling you. Not just buying, but the selling piece too, where these people are just starting up pop up shops and businesses, selling whatever product, finding their people, building community, getting repeat customers that come back to
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see your face as the seller.
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You're listening to the Travis Makes Money podcast presented by GoHighLevel.com for a free 30 day trial of the best all in one digital marketing software tool on the planet, just go to gohighlevel.com travis. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to the Travis makes Money podcast where it's a mission to help you make more money on this episode of the show. My producer Eric is in studio.
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What's up, man?
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I want to start with a clip from Andy Elliot, okay? Cause I know, I know he's a big mentor of yours, right? You're always like, hey, dude, wwaed. What would Andy Elliott do?
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That is. I usually say that. It's on my wristband right here. It's just some jk.
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So this video is like pretty helpful.
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Your paycheck.
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Go look at your paycheck.
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It's not at least a hundred grand a month. You got work to do. What does this guy think we do? Jack off all day? A lot of you guys jack off all day. Fuck, he knows. Go look at.
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Huh? You like that? Did you like that? Now, I showed you that funny clip because I'm about to show you something really sad. So I was priming the pump.
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Did you ever see. Did you ever watch tires?
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No.
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Shingles?
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Too tired.
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All right, cut that joke.
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Too tired. No, I didn't watch it because I don't like laughing maga. Right wing chuds. Anyway, so I have this clip now. I never watched it. Why? What does this have to do with anything? Because they have an Andy Elliott character. You told me about that. Yeah, I'll watch it someday.
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No, you won't. It's a great show. It's really funny.
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My mom recommended a show to me. I was like, oh, you're so cute. I'm never gonna watch that.
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Are you treating my recommendations to you like your mom's recommendations?
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I don't watch anybody's TV recommendations. Okay, I'm gonna show you something.
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I'm stop watching the movies. You want me to watch.
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I'm. No, you're not. I'm show you something actually very sad. Okay, Seriously. And I feel like I'm setting up a joke because I want to get your actual advice.
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Okay?
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So I'm going to pretend you're on a coaching call with this young man that's made this video. Okay? Okay, here we go.
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Dad just died.
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He said, my dad just died because Instagram will only play the first few seconds.
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And I have six months to stop my family from going to work. My dad made 95% of my family's income. Now that he's gone, that's go as well. So right now mum has to support a family of four of $30,000 a year. So the clock is ticking. I've got six months to stop my family going broke. Me and my best friend are trying anything we can. E comms, startups, flipping, whatever we can do to get money. I'm calling it get rich or die trying. So if you want to see if we can pull this off, drop a follow. And before you ask, yes, everything in this video is true. And I got my dad's blessing before he passed my.
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I want to know how that conversation went.
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Yeah.
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Hey, dad, can I make a video about you leaving us with nothing?
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Yeah.
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Probably was like, please?
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Yes, go ahead. Okay. So a lot of people get in this position where someone passes like the breadwinner in the family and or something else happens or someone loses their job, that's like the breadwinner and you're sitting there going, okay, we've got four people, we've got 30 grand a month, what do we do? It sounds like they have a six month Runway. If you were to give advice to somebody who's in this position, what would you recommend they do?
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Well, I mean first of all just write down like sit down with a journal or your laptop or something and start looking at what you have to offer to either a job or the marketplace. If you're going to start a business, it's the market. If you're going to get a job, it's the workplace. But what skills do you currently have that you can use or apply? If you're starting from scratch and you're just like a young kid, you have no experience doing anything, no resume, no degree or anything like that, then my mind in terms of making money quickly in a new business goes to some sort of a service based business almost all the time. Because it's cheap to get started, usually free to get started. You can start hiring people with money that you have coming in. You can invoice for multiple months at one time and get faster cash cycles. You can charge real money for stuff rather than, you know, I'm just starting out, I gotta do this and I can't make enough money to do this. So if you're gonna be starting something from scratch and you need to make good money quickly, then yeah, anything, anything service based. It's just that in your spare time you need to work on getting better at whatever the service is that you offer. The better you are at the service, the more money you can charge for that thing.
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Define a service based business for people like, like, are you talking like power washing driveways? Are you talking landscaping? Are you talking.
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Yeah, I mean home service is good. My mind goes more to online things like marketing agencies, done for anything done for you where the business owner doesn't have to do anything and you can charge more money for that. Like I had a coaching client recently, we switched her offer from a coaching offer to a done for you offer. And she im immediately like tripled her prices or, or quadrupled her monthly prices, switched to done for you and started getting faster cash cycles. So this last call we were working on like okay, now increase, you know, you have some clients, you have some case studies, some social proof and testimonials. Now just increase the length of time people are working with you. Start selling annual Contracts give them a discount if they pay the whole thing up front. Like how can we get to cash faster so that we can scale the business a little bit better? So, but, but home services are fine too. But that's why I say something service based. Because like washing windows is a lot easier of a business to start up than, you know, something that requires you to have inventory or requires you to have a storefront or requires you to have this crazy insurance policy or something like that. So yeah, start starting with whatever, power washing, window washing, drone photography, digital marketing services, content writing, you know, and it sounds more daunting than it is, especially if you're a young person because in your mind you're like, well, you know, who would pay me? I'm a 20 year old with no skills and whatever. It's like. But you grew up with the Internet, so you have a massive advantage over all of these like 50 to 60 year old business owners who's, who've been running small businesses for the last 20, 30 years. You know, the volume of small businesses that don't have a website still.
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Yeah.
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Is crazy. Like we're not, we're not even talking about using AI, you know, like, because that's the obvious one that everybody kind of goes to now is do AI services for small businesses and change their operating systems and whatever. And it's like, okay, that's an option. But a lot of those businesses, like I said, don't even have a website. They're not even, they're not, they don't even have a social media account.
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You know, like doing something, business listing.
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Right. Like doing something for them in that world is a lot easier than you think it is. I had a guy on the show, I think it was earlier today who's talking about, he built a website. He was in college and there was a local business that needed a new website and they reached out to the university and they threw it out there to this class of students. And he built a website for like 100 bucks for this business owner. But the business owner started looking at him as like the website professional. So he was like, hey, can I add this thing to my website? And the guy was like, okay, well yes, I can do that. And in his mind he was really well versed with the platform that he built the website on. And so he was like, it literally took me 10 minutes. But when I, when he asked me if I could do it, I said, you know, yeah. And then he asked how much? And I told him 300 bucks. And he was like, at that time I felt like I was shooting my shot. Like this is a crazy amount. I can't believe, I mean, like this is too much. It's going to say no. And he immediately came back, was like, okay, yeah, sure, 300 bucks, here you go. And it took him 10 minutes to go in and add this functionality to the website. And now he made 400 bucks to build a website.
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upwork.com My point is like, don't downplay the current volume of information that you have at hand or the knowledge or competence that you may have. And if you're a younger person, like I said, this stuff is second nature to you. Like using TikTok or using Instagram and things like that is second nature to you. Whereas for somebody else it might feel completely foreign. Like they're trying to learn a new language and they have no idea what to do.
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Yeah.
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So if you can come in and be like, hey, I'll post on your social for 30 days, you know, and I'll film, edit, post for you and I'll do everything for you and I'll run the whole thing for you, I'll write the copy on the post, I'll write your newsletter, whatever, like you're the, the things that you grew up knowing can be extremely valuable to somebody who just doesn't know anything about that thing like in your mind you're like, well why wouldn't they just go turn this functionality on their website? All you gotta do is go to WordPress.com whatever and log in and then go to this function to go to this tab and then click that and then open this up and then connect that API and you're good, you know what I mean? But like they don't know anything about any of that and, and they don't want to know, they don't care, they just want it done.
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And they, their dream is not to become a social media guru or website
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designer and they're happy to pay you to do it. Like even with our employees at our assay ball store, you know, like when, whenever we've gotten a few of them to do social media content, that's sort of the initial objection is like, well I, I don't know how to do that. I've never done, never done that before. It's like, yeah, but you're 17 years old, like you grew up on TikTok, you know, like you know how to do this. Just do the things that you watch every day and do that for us now. And so, you know, we've gotten some decent traction on a few videos recently of, you know, thousands of likes pouring in from different people. And it's, it's, it's something that you don't view as being a skill, but it definitely is one and you definitely know more about it than the average 62 year old small business owner. So there's something that you can do for somebody else. I like the business owner route versus home services maybe a little bit more. Just because business owners tend to have a little bit more money to play with. And even if they don't have excess money to play with, like their business is super profitable. They're familiar with the idea of continually investing into business to get more customers. So it's a little bit easier for them to write you a check and something that's going to be something significant, you know what I mean? So like if you put a social media offer together and you think about, okay, it takes me this much time to post this many videos and then you're like, okay, well you could just go sell them one post or you could go sell them a six month contract and build the whole thing up front and give them a 30% discount and get some cash flow coming in and then hire another person that helps you with biz dev or hire a person that does all the posting for you. You can go out and get another client like something, something that is, that is low barrier to start and high potential earnings is where my mind goes. If you have the, if you have any desire or any interest in sales, I still think that's a really good route because again sales companies are not looking for a crazy amount of experience, especially if it's 100% commission. If you're getting a salary in a company car and leads fed to you, then they're probably going to want you to like cold call for the first three years or something to learn how to sell before they trust you to be an account manager of this B2B software firm or something. But, but other types of sales don't require anything because they're just like desperate for people to come work 100% commission for them.
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And the turnover is crazy. Oh yeah, those environments, right? Yeah, like any sales environment.
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Yeah, any, any 100% commission sales environment for sure, the turnovers, I mean any sales environment in general.
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But why is it just people get itchy and bored? Is it just.
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Yeah, because the, the check is uncertain, you know, so they get into the game and you see how much potential there is to make money. So you kind of get excited at, you start feeling some of the rejection and then two weeks in you're just not cut out for it. So you quit. But yeah, if you're a young person and like I said, any desire to be in sales or to learn something about selling, I still think that's a really good path to doing it because you learn a very applicable and useful skill set while you earn a good amount of money to be able to do it. And that skill set can take you into whatever afterwards, even if it is you starting a ser. Like if you get into sales and then in your free time you start a service based business, you know, like you go sell whatever solar or water or pest or you know, any, any number real estate mortgages, like any number of these things and you learn the skill set of selling and then in your spare time you're sort of building up this service based agency for social media management or AI implementation or website development or something similar to that. Then you can immediately apply the skills that you're learning in sales to something that you're working to build on your own that has maybe more of a long term benefit and you get money to play with in the side hustle. So if you're working 30, 40, 50 hours a week selling and you're working you know, 20, 30 hours a week on your side hustle, it's like you're, you're able to apply those skills directly and you might be able to make your first hire a lot quicker because you're making 12 grand a month, 15 grand a month in your sales sales job. So you have a little bit, you have a little bit of, of free cash flow to be like, okay, well you know, I, I sold these two business accounts for social media management, but I don't have the time to do the implementation so I'm just going to hire some other college kid that I went to school with or hire this other intern to help implement these things. Because in my day job I'm making real money here so I can afford to have somebody else do this type of work while I go work on getting more business owners in and then wait till those income levels look relatively similar and then you can quit the sales gig and go directly in another thing. Or you might find that hey, there's real opportunity in this sales organization and the regional manager of this whole area is making, you know, $700,000 a year. That's actually, I actually kind of enjoy this and maybe I just keep doing that or I can pivot into real estate and start my own quote unquote, you know, business doing that. And I can, you know, the earning potential is only limited by my desire to work the business. So there's plenty of ways to do it. Start by asking yourself what skills you have and if you feel like you don't have any skills, you probably do. And write those down too. Like I said, if you're, if you're 18, 19, you know, social, you know what I mean? Like you probably have been on it too soon. Yeah, it's, it's in your DNA, you know what I mean? Like the simple things that other people don't understand. So write down the skills that you have, the things that you're interested in, the things that light you up, things you enjoy and then, and then go build a business around those things. But yeah, usually service based and if sales is anything that you're like, because some people I know just have a, a huge mental block for any sort of selling and it will be a little bit more difficult if you're already that way. I still think that everybody can learn sales and make good money selling. It's just that the opportunity may be a little bit more gatekept for those types of sales careers.
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Yeah.
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Where like if you want the little bit of guarantee and you want the salary and the benefits and the company car and things like, well, they're not just going to give that to anybody walking off the street. They're probably going to want to see some experience or recommendation or something, you know. But yeah, but you can start off 100% commission, move into one of those if that's what you want to do. But yeah, that's why I give that one little caveat because I know it's not for everybody to do 100% commission sales because it is sort of brutal. But if you're in one of these situations where like back is back is against the wall, like, that's. Sales has always served me in those scenarios where it's like, I took this risk, it didn't pay off, I'm back to the drawing board. I don't know exactly what I'm going to do next, but I know I can sell. So let me take the next risk, three, four, five, six months or whatever. Go sell a bunch of stuff, get some money back in the bank, get some cushion, and then I'm going to take the next big swing.
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Are there any. And by the way, on social, I was going to say, do you know the average age kids are getting phones now?
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Oh, no, I don't know if I want to know. Nine?
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No, eleven. Jeez, that's crazy. Crazy.
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Yeah. That is insane.
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I'm glad I didn't have a phone at 11.
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No kidding. A phone with access to the Internet. Yeah, I was gonna say I'll get my kids phones.
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Like a dumb phone that dials out to you. That's it. Yeah, insane. But no, I was gonna say are there any sales jobs or industries like you would tell people that path of sales probably isn't gonna immediately yield benefits? Like would you say like avoid the car industry or avoid, you know, the door to door, whatever, like. Or is it kind of like just get in there and then start asking questions and figure it out.
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You can make money in any of those fields. The car industry to me is less interesting.
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There's a pretty strong time constraint where even if you're a really good salesperson, you can only close so many deals because of how long the process is.
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Yeah, real estate would be that way.
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But real estate, you can have much larger value items that you're exactly doing.
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Yeah, it might take you four months to get your first commission check paid out. But that one commission check could be 18 grand.
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Because one of our top car sales guys that ours was like making 160 grand or something. It's like for how much he was working. Right. It was like, it feels like that's Why?
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I don't really like car sales. In my opinion, that's. It's not a. It's not a really. It's not a big long tail on the future of car sales. I just think that's going to continue to be decimated by car. Well, and car.
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There's that new one.
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One.
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There's some new electric one where you buy it by piece or something. It's like a electric car and you build it.
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Oh, really?
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Yeah. Let me look.
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Yeah, that. That's. Cars is very uninteresting to me because of the volume of hours. Like, it would be difficult to have
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a side hustle while the online thing is just going more and more. Oh, yeah, it's called slate. So it's a $24,000 truck and you basically buy, like pick the pieces to put it together.
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Huh.
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But it's like when you can order online a $24,000. I mean, when it comes to vehicle pre orders.
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Right.
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Who knows how long till they actually deliver? Deliver it or if they deliver. But it's kind of crazy that like,
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that's what I mean though, is like that industry is kind of slowly dying over a long, like it's a long day.
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Well, it kind of started dying when people could go. They could fact check you and go,
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yeah, yeah, I can get this on CarMax for.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But so, yeah, that one is less appealing to me. And I don't think you can make as much money as you can in other fields. Real estate is interesting because it will take a while to earn your first check, but like we talked about, it could be a really big check. And year two, you can make a lot more money if you're good at that. Versus, like, you might be able to make more money now selling cars or selling pest control or something like that. But like, next year, the real estate business kind of keeps getting better.
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And real estate's one of the few industries where like, you can pass, like sell your book of business to somebody.
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Yeah.
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Like, you can't versus, I mean, cars. You could do that too, I guess, technically. But like most of these industries, you're doing the one sale and you're kind of done. But it's like real estate is one of those where you could literally pass it on or you could have agents that handle everything for you. Like, there's a lot of pass out of that. Yeah.
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It is the closest to owning your
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own business without having to own a
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business while still technically basically just being a glorified salesperson.
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Right.
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But there's A lot of, A lot of good things about, about that. And so you, you. And to me, like the, the sort of ancillary benefit of being in real estate sales too, is that the product is still a good thing to buy in general.
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Yeah.
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So if you really get to know a local market and you are seeing real estate deals all the time and you know that area really, really well, then the money that you're making, you can start putting into deals that you're finding that are coming to you off market. Because you're an agent and you're doing a lot of business in that area. It's like you can make, you know, a couple six figures a year and obviously the good ones are making seven figures plus. But you can make good money doing it and be able to scope out all of these deals and have the industry knowledge and expertise to understand which deal is a good deal, which deal is a bad deal, and you can start parking your money in that thing. That's sort of unique to real estate as well. Like, you know, you're not a solar sales rep that's going to put money in solar. Probably.
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Yeah.
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But as a real estate agent, that's like one of the things. One of the only things that's kept real estate as like a backup backup plan for me is that it's like, still, I know buying real estate is good.
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Yeah.
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In general. So if you can do something in that industry and you can shop deals all day, whether for yourself or somebody else, you're still gaining a crazy amount of insight into how the housing market works. And you're like, my, my thing, if you're going to start in that space, like, go find the most productive team in your area and join the team.
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Yeah.
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Don't try to figure everything out on your own. If you had a bunch of money, you might be figuring everything out on your own because you could hire a really good coach and they could teach you everything that you need to know. But if you're not in a position to do that and you're using this scenario, if you're starting from scratch, don't have any money and you're dead broke, like, go work for a team. Because they might actually be able to get you a faster path to getting money as well. Like while you're studying for your license, they might put you on lead gen. You might be able to make commissions based on deals that you generated that the agent closes. And then when you come out of it, you're learning from one of the top agents in that entire region. And you are looking at the best deals in that area and getting access to better information, your commission's going to be a lot less. Typically it's like a 50, 50 split if you're joining a team. Even on like self gen deal, I might be a little bit better split on self gen versus like team generated deals. But, but yeah, you can make pretty good money in the first year if you're willing to work it. And that's, I mean that's the caveat to all of this. Like all of these paths can make you money in six months if you're willing to work it. So assuming that that is already taken care of in your mind, you know what I mean? They're like, I'm going to have to work a lot then, then real estate is, is still, still a really good path, I think.
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Yeah.
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And now you know, average home prices are higher, which sucks for people that are buying houses. But that's not that bad of a gig when you're, you know, the. There might not be as much activity as there was in recent past, but also most of the transactions are higher than they were in recent past.
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So I know like a lot of real estate agents sell like one to two homes a year. Yeah, I think that's. The average is like.
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Well it's.
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Or I think the average is higher, but it's brought.
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I was gonna say it's. I think that's around the average, but it's because like 74% of, of agents just how much under Gavar sell?
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Zero.
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Yeah. So it's crazy.
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Yeah. The average is brought up by the top, you know, half a percentage.
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It feels like the competition, like in many things the bottom level competition's not that strong, but like the gap between that and like a high performer is like insane. But you can make a healthy living in the middle of those two things where like you're not the person who's like living and dying by like someone called me, I'm flying back from Florida, you know, from vacation to deal with this. It's. There's something to be done there. But anyway, yeah, so that's a good one.
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But I mean it's really just whatever you're willing to work is really the answer when it comes down to it. Because I don't know what your past looks like, what your skills look like, what your expertise is, but if you put focused time and energy into one thing for a little bit of time and it doesn't cost a lot to get started and the earning potential is only capped by your own desire to work it, then you can make some good money doing that. So, anyway, that's it for this episode of the show. Remember, remember, money only solves your money problems. But it's easier to solve the rest of your problems with money in the bank. So let's start there, here on the Travis Makes Money podcast. Thanks for tuning in. Catch you next time. Peace.
Podcast: Travis Makes Money
Host: Travis Chappell
Date: July 20, 2026
Summary Prepared By: Podcast Summarizer AI
In this episode, Travis Chappell and his producer, Eric, discuss practical and immediate ways to make money, especially when life throws you a curveball—like losing a primary breadwinner. Their focus is on actionable strategies for people who need to earn fast, whether they're starting from scratch, have minimal experience, or are dealing with intense life changes. Through real-life stories, humor, and direct advice, Travis dives deep into service businesses, sales careers, and leveraging existing (often overlooked) skills, while emphasizing the importance of mindset and hustle.
"If you’re starting from scratch and need to make good money quickly, anything service-based... It's cheap to get started—usually free—and you can charge real money for stuff."
– Travis (05:00)
"You grew up with the Internet, so you have a massive advantage over all these 50 to 60 year old business owners... the volume of small businesses that don't have a website still is crazy."
– Travis (07:39)
"If your back is against the wall... Sales has always served me in those scenarios. Take the next risk; go sell a bunch of stuff, get some money back in the bank, get some cushion."
– Travis (17:31)
"If you put focused time and energy into one thing... you can make some good money doing that."
– Travis (25:36)
On Working With Your Strengths:
"The things that you grew up knowing can be extremely valuable to somebody who just doesn't know anything about that thing. In your mind, you're like, 'Why wouldn't they just go turn this functionality on their website?'... But they don't know anything about any of that and they don't want to know, they just want it done."
– Travis (11:01)
On The Reality Of Sales Environments:
"The check is uncertain...you start feeling some of the rejection, then two weeks in you’re just not cut out for it. So you quit."
– Travis (14:09)
On Real Estate's Unique Advantages:
"...The product is still a good thing to buy in general. If you really get to know a local market, the money you’re making you can start putting into deals that you're finding."
– Travis (22:11)
On Pathways Out Of Crisis:
"All of these paths can make you money in six months if you’re willing to work it."
– Travis (24:21)
On the Value of Money:
"Money only solves your money problems. But it’s easier to solve the rest of your problems with money in the bank."
– Travis (25:36)
If life forces you to start over, don’t waste time lamenting what you don’t have. Inventory your skills—even if you think you have none—and look for service-based businesses you can launch immediately with minimal overhead. Sales jobs offer fast income and valuable experience, especially when you’re under the gun. Don’t underestimate digital skills you take for granted—they’re gold for businesses stuck in the past. Hustle, focus, and the willingness to start small will pave the way to both stability and long-term success.
“Money only solves your money problems. But it’s easier to solve the rest of your problems with money in the bank. So let’s start there.” – Travis (25:36)