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Travis
You're listening to the Travis Makes Money podcast presented by GoHighLevel.com for a free 30 day trial of the best all in one digital marketing software tool on the planet. Just go to gohighlevel.com travis what's going on, everybody?
Welcome back to the Travis Makes Money podcast where it's our mission to help you make more money. Today on the show, my producer Eric is in studio. What's up, man?
Eric
What's going on? I am so excited to be here today with you here in studio.
Travis
You know, I'd be more excited if you'd let me do the intro music because that pumps me.
Eric
And I'm so excited because in about five minutes, McDonald's is switching to the lunch menu and you and I are about to try the viral Big Arch burger.
Travis
Big Arch.
Eric
And it honestly does not look appealing, but you and I are gonna just.
Travis
I really am curious about trying the
Eric
product, the pro, the meat product.
Travis
The meat.
Eric
That's my favorite thing is when you go to a barbecue and they're like, what kind of product you got on the grill? Don't call it that. Yeah, don't call it product.
Travis
It's not a good move.
Eric
Just one more point of order before we get into the episode. I bought you very delicious chocolate cookie. Did you eat that last night?
Travis
I sure did.
Eric
Was it good?
Travis
It was delicious.
Eric
Those chocolate chips, bless God, they just really touched me.
Travis
Slap.
Eric
Oh, man. They do. They call those the Will Smith cookies because they slap.
Travis
That's right. Eric's always trying to fatten me up when he comes over.
Eric
Yeah.
Travis
He's like, do you, do you want something? And I always say no. And then he was like, oh, I got you something.
Eric
You know that's a fetish. Is not mine.
Travis
I was going to say, wait, what?
Eric
You're like, I'm not eating anything else you bring me. No, I. Apparently there's guys who have a fetish where they, they fatten up their partner and they call it. They're called feeders. Interesting, right?
Travis
I don't know.
Eric
Or is that something that someone Just told me feeders. That is a real fact. Check, feeders.
Travis
Feeders fetish.
Eric
Hold on now. I need to check because I feel like maybe that's something I read to a tongue twister. Feeders. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, oh. I went to Urban Dictionary, and that's a different.
Travis
Just take a. Just take a violent turn.
Eric
Oh, no. Feeders. Hold on now. I'm actually. We may need to cut this fattening. Oh, okay. Yes, yes. Feeders are individuals, often in a sexualized con context, who derive pleasure arousal from encouraging partners known as gainers or feedees is to gain weight frequently by providing large amounts of food. This dynamic involves feeding, watching, controlling the eating process with motivations ranging from sexual desire to themes of dominance and dependency.
Travis
Wow.
Eric
So I'm trying to see. So you're my little feedy.
Travis
My feedy.
Eric
And I'm gonna feed her. I'm gonna give.
Travis
That's a wild title.
Eric
I'm gonna doordash you a cookie at late at night. Like, can you. Can you FaceTime me? Anyway, where are we at now?
Travis
Dip it in the milk.
Eric
Not that purple top milk. You know, that red top, that whole milk. I want that RFK approved raw milk. Yeah, yeah. Let me watch you eat that. It's made with beef tallow. Yeah.
Travis
So off the rails already.
Eric
RFK is watching you. A beef tallow fry from Shakes Steak and Shake.
Travis
We're two minutes in.
Eric
Oh, man. Oh, God. Okay, so anyway, so today to talk about Gen Z employees. So
Travis
that's a great.
That's a great transition.
Eric
So recently a relevant magazine posted an article about Gen Z employees. Let's go ahead and pivot.
Travis
Yeah, hard pivot.
Eric
Hard pivot to that. What's your fetish is you're a podcaster and they're the listy, the listener.
Travis
I guess.
Eric
I guess you like them to listen to the thing. Anyway, I have. So here's. Here's the article. This is bad. Is this. This is the worst start to an episode ever.
Travis
Or the best.
Eric
Or the best.
Travis
Hear me out. Or the best.
Eric
I do feel like these are probably the most polarizing pieces of content you put out.
Travis
People.
Eric
People listen and go, I'm repelled. Yeah. By this.
Travis
This is obnoxious. Or I'm having fun to this.
Eric
All right, So I want you to go ahead and read this headline and give your immediate reaction.
Travis
Okay. 60% of companies fire Gen Z employees within months of hiring. A recent national poll of manager cited recent college graduates lack of motivation or initiative as the top reason. With their lack of communication and professionalism close behind. Immediate reaction is that this happens all the time when a new generation comes into the workforce. I feel like it's just that there's a big gap between the generational ability to communicate effectively, I think. So I, at least I felt like this when millennials were sort of coming into the workforce. It felt like there was this exact same pushback where it was like, millennials just don't. They're lazy. This episode of the show is brought
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Travis
they don't like to work and whatever. And now it's sort of, you know, Gen Z's not motivated or they don't take initiative or they're not professional. I just think it's going to be a matter of give it a little bit of time. And, and also I think it's also that the job market at large is really difficult right now. I had a actually a jobs expert on the podcast a couple days ago and she was talking about how the job market's really tough right now. So I don't even know if this would be completely accurate in terms of like just Gen Z. I assume this probably happened. Like there's probably large turnover for multiple jobs generational age groups. But yeah, my initial, my initial thought is like it's, it's, it'll fix itself. It's not like Gen Z is just never going to be able to work. I, I do. I, I do remember reading a study that there was something about Gen Z's ability to communicate professionally that that was something that was like the first time that it's been worse in a new generation than, than the like the first time in history that it's been worse for new generation. But also unprecedented thing happened while they were like in the middle of high school which was Covid. So sort of like if you take two years away from school and socializing and things like that, then it might have put you behind the, the eight ball a little bit. So. But yeah, I don't like when I
see stuff like that.
I don't think that it's like a problem with a generation. I Just don't think that that's going to be the case. I think that they're just probably going to figure out a new path forward which is probably going to work out better for them in the long run. Like, is like, does it mean the system is broken or does it mean the Gen Z is broken? You know what I mean? It's probably not that just an entire generation of people are broken.
Eric
You know, it's like it's over. That's a wrap on society.
Travis
Exactly. It's like, oh, they're just going to figure something else out. It just means that people either need to adjust their workforce to be able to bring in this generation and help them work effectively or it just means that. What I think what is more likely to happen is that more people are going to take the path of entrepreneurship because it's just more accessible. But I've been calling it sort of fractionalized entrepreneurship because it's not necessarily that everybody's going to go start the next billion dollar brand. It's just that people are going to start realizing that like, oh, I could go work for this company and make 50 grand a year pulling levers and not being an important or integral part of the team or I can work for myself and make 80k, you know what I mean, and have a VA and take home 72k and control my own schedule and do stuff that fires me up. I just think that this generation is going to be much more motivated, passion or impact, things like that. So they're going to be less okay with just like getting involved with the company for the sake of collecting a paycheck, which is like, is that a bad thing? Probably not. Just means there's going to be a big adjustment moving forward. Yeah.
Eric
Like when I read stuff, I always go one. I think like if you're a leader of a company, it's. Some of it falls on you too. Like, like communicating with what values? Because. Because that's the best thing I always go back to is like, I know everyone goes, Gen Z just wants to be. Or yeah, Gen Z just wants to be social media influencers and they just want to be this and they just want to do that and they want to do their own thing. And it's like so clearly the work ethic's not the problem.
Travis
Yeah.
Eric
Like if they're spending 30 hours on Saturday, you know, and Sunday cutting and piecing together some YouTube video or whatever, it is like the work ethics there. It's like, how do you get them.
Travis
Work ethic is almost never the problem.
Eric
Right. Yeah, it's, it's, they're not buying into the thing. And I think there is, there is a, I think you're seeing on social media especially but like there is a dissatisfaction with like the state of like the world and the economy and like the way that the workweek is structured. But I think also like it makes sense that people are seeing especially when they've been able to work from home from 2020 to 2022 and now there's employers hiring saying like we expect you to be in an office 40 hours a week and clock in CL, you're done with your work, stay here, find something else to do. Like it makes sense. There's people that are disinterested in that
Travis
lifestyle when they know that there's another option available.
Eric
But also too like you said, I think every generation probably goes, you know, a college grad at their first job, like real job.
Travis
Yeah.
Eric
Is probably going to have some learning, you know what I mean? Like I think some of this is self fulfilling prophecy too where it's like yeah, yeah, I hired these Gen Z kids because we got to get some new young blood in here but they're probably going to be lazy and like
Travis
well and, and it's the ego of the older generation too to, to come in and just say like well they're going to have to figure it out and do our way, you know what I mean? And it's like well it's not necessarily, it's like each generation like it's, it's a new puzzle to solve sort of, you know what I mean? Like to be able to get the best work out of this particular type of person. It's a different personality type, it's different context, they have different perspective on the world. So you're not going to be able to use the same motivational levers that you pull previous generation. You're just going to have to figure out how the new generation likes to operate and then build systems that, that help prop them up, you know, I mean like, like, like you said, it's rarely ever a work ethic problem and that's going to exist in every generation. That's not just going to be an entire generation of people who are like I don't want to work, it's buy
Eric
in, it's buy in problem where it's like I, I believe in what we're doing. Right, well go, yeah, go ahead and read if you, if you can go ahead and read this if you're able to read now if you're able to see this. I zoomed in for you. You can read the actual caption article.
Travis
With 6 in 10 recent graduates falling short of expectations, a recent survey from intelligent of nearly 1,000 U.S. managers found Gen Z's shortcomings could shape how companies hire future graduates. One in six bosses said they're hesitant to hire college grads again. One in seven said they may avoid hiring them altogether next year. Three quarters of companies surveyed said some or all of their recent graduate hires were unsatisfactory in some way. Employers top complaint was a lack of motivation or initiative cited by 50% of leaders surveyed. Bosses also pointed to Gen Z being unprofessional, unorganized, and having poor communication skills as top reasons for firing new hires. Leaders said they've struggled with practical issues as well, including being late to work and meetings, often not wearing office appropriate clothing, and not using language appropriate for the workspace. There's still time for course correction, at least according to this person.
Eric
Say it.
Travis
I don't know how to say.
Intelligence Chief Education and Career Development Advisor. Take the initiative to ask thoughtful questions, seek feedback, and apply it to show your motivation for personal growth. Growth. Build a reputation for dependability by maintaining a positive attitude, meeting deadlines and volunteering for projects, even those outside your immediate responsibilities, which is basically just generic career advice.
Eric
Yeah, thank you for the. Being a Chief Education and career development advisor. I. You know what, And I will also say I think this is something that like pisses people off. I would say in volunteering projects outside is this idea that like, and, and I'll, I'll say this specifically from myself when I was, when I was working for like an actual company where I was doing 40 hours a week. The. I like it. It was annoying when you realized that like. Well, I can say, I can say from experience. So when I first got there, I had that mental, like ministry mentality where it's like, I'm gonna do everything. I'm gonna go above and beyond. I'm gonna go, you know, but I'm gonna do as much as possible. And like, it was rewarded. I got a raise and I was like, I'm definitely gonna keep doing that. And then I got another raise and I kept doing all these new things and like doing things. Like I was hired to post on social media and then it was like, I basically started doing video advertisements and going out and filming stuff.
Travis
Copywriting?
Eric
Yeah, like, yeah, copywriting. Recording radio ads. Like writing the radio ads each month, coming up with the themes. Like, it was a pretty crazy amount of stuff. And then after I got my second raise, my manager said, yeah, that'll probably be your last race for a little while.
Travis
Yeah.
Eric
And I immediately was like, okay, mentally, mentally, my brain just clicked where I was like, I'm done.
Travis
Right.
Eric
And.
Travis
But then what happened when you came to work full time?
Eric
For me, my brain clicked and went,
Travis
I got to get out of here. No, but I mean, didn't they offer you.
Eric
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. One of the managers, I was confused which thing I was like. Marvel Television's Wonder man, an eight episode series now streaming on Disney. A superhero remake.
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Eric
Yeah, I did a good job. No. Yeah. And then when I left, yeah. One of the managers was like, what if we could get you like a six figure salary?
Travis
What if we could double? Like the thing we're already at the ceiling, the thing that we said before. Yeah, scratch that. Now that you're actually trying to leave, we want to pay you what you're actually worth to us.
Eric
Right. And so, yeah, so. But it was one of those things that were like, I was willing to do that if it was rewarded. But what I noticed from talking to other people around the proverbial water cooler, the Red Bull fridge at work was, was like, people would get asked to do these extra things, especially they finish their tasks for the day. It's like, oh, now go do this or go do this extra thing. And there's a sentiment which is usually True Is that, like, you see the people that are doing everything and like, they're not getting promotions.
Travis
Yeah.
Eric
They're not moving to a next level. They're not going. Like, they're making the job easier for the leader that's making a lot of money.
Travis
Right.
Eric
To be able to leave early.
Travis
Yeah.
Eric
And then they're stuck. So I do think that's one of the things. Like, the advice is great, but also I think there should be the advice of, like, in today's job market where, like, companies don't reward loyalty. Like, you got to keep an eye out for yourself first. Like, you also have to recognize that we're past. Like, I'm sure your grandparents talk about, like, yeah, I worked for the company. I was there for 50 years. And then I got my pension and I left. And it's like, that's not most companies now. And most companies now aren't lasting 50 years.
Travis
And you'll actually get penalized. Go to Perplexity real quick and see how much money, how much more money somebody makes if they're willing to move from one company to another company.
Eric
Also, it's 1045, so if you'd like the big Archburg, I can. We can pause and order now.
Travis
Okay. Feeder.
Eric
Oh, my gosh, dude. Wait. Can I show you something? So I was in. While this is loading, talking about people not wanting to work. When I was in South Carolina, when I was in South Carolina, I was at McDonald's working because I was the only place in town that had good WI Fi. And I would sit there sometimes and they'd be interviewing people or doing job training for like, new because their turnover was crazy. There was a guy there, not Gen z, probably like 45. And you could tell he was like. He was like, bad attitude, didn't want to be there. I get it, bro. But he was like, they're like, you got to do this.
Travis
He was being trained, not interviewed.
Eric
No. Yeah, he's being trained. It was like day one and he showed up and they're like, you're not wearing the stuff that you're supposed to wear, the uniform and all that. And like, he basically. And then like, you haven't filled out this form, like, was not doing you in the bare minimum, at the most bare minimum, entry level job. And they said, and you need to wear one of the visors. They have the McDonald's visor. And he was like, it just stuck with me. He said, I'm not wearing one of those visors. And looking like I came from San Francisco or Something. And it was just such a weird thing. I was like. I just pictured San Francisco as a bunch of like. Like people just walking around. Visors is a very weird thing to have issue with. But anyway. Perplexity. Ding. It just finished. Typical increase range. Many sources put the average race from switching jobs in the 5 to 15 range. That's a. That's a good little increase, huh?
Travis
Yeah. Some analysis of external job changes. Site average increases around 10 to 15% compared with staying put. Annual raises for people who stay in the same role are often only about to 5% per year at many employers.
Eric
I will say one thing. My manager worked into her raise agreement was pretty smart.
Travis
What do you mean? She.
Eric
Allow me to tell you. So she got a raise. I don't know. Whenever she got her raise, before we had this conversation, she worked into her deal that she would get a certain percentage raise every time minimum wage increased so that she would always be a certain amount above minimum wage. Yeah, I forget what it was. It was like, it wasn't a lot. It was like. I think it was like a couple bucks or whatever.
Travis
Some percentage.
Eric
Yeah. But I was like, that's smart, too, because one of the things that happened to me, and this is, again, practical advice if you're negotiating a race. But one of the things that happened to me was I would get a raise and then minimum wage go up, and then I'd be like, oh, I'm almost making a minimum wage again, you know, and so negotiating that, too, where it's like, you stay at a certain threshold above is good, too.
Travis
Yeah. But, yeah, you have to ask. You got to ask for the raise, and you have to be willing to be nimble and move around. But, yeah, I. When I see headlines like that, though, I just don't. I don't feel that like, oh, we're all. We're all doomed. The new generation doesn't want to work. You know, it's like they'll figure it out. They'll find some way to. To work and make it happen. They'll maybe take the influencer path. Maybe they'll take the, like I said, fractionalized entrepreneur path. There's going to be other available paths. And especially right now with, like, the next decade is going to be a crazy amount of reskilling, upskilling, and the job market's going to look wildly different in 10 years than it does right now. So I don't. I don't view that as something that's like, oh, you know, doom and gloom. What are we going to do now.
Eric
Right.
Travis
And it's probably, like you said, probably more a leadership problem than it is just a. This overall generation sucks. You know what I mean?
Eric
Right. Right. Well, I think that was a really good episode. McDonald's menu is up the big arch. Do you want the meal combo or do you want.
Travis
You're such a feeder, bro.
Eric
Hey, my little feedy, do you want to. Do you want to do a little combo? Doing a combo with french fries?
Travis
No.
Eric
Do you. Did you know the McDonald's french fries aren't vegetarian?
Travis
What?
Eric
They use some kind of meat in their oil.
Travis
Is that true?
Eric
Yeah. Anyways, do you want. Okay, so on this, it comes with big arch sauce. Crispy onions, slivered onions, pickle shredded lettuce.
Travis
Just give it to me exactly how they get it.
Eric
Exactly.
Travis
Yeah. All right.
Eric
And then do you think. Do you think Jackie. Jackie. You think Jackie will want one?
Travis
No.
Eric
Okay. What about.
Travis
She can have the rest of mine after I take my one bite.
Eric
You have company come over.
Travis
One bite. Everybody knows the rules.
Eric
You have company over. Do you want any more?
Travis
No.
Eric
Why is this $12 for one burger? For a big arch. Do you want a cookie or anything? Chocolate chip cookies.
Travis
Stop it.
Eric
Wait. Have you ever had the chocolate chip cookie tote?
Travis
Yes, because they're all fresh.
Eric
Oh, I accidentally sent one to your house.
Travis
That's the difference, remember? Oh, yeah.
Eric
I door. I. I doordashed to the. Your address instead of mine.
Travis
Yeah.
Eric
And you just got a little gift basket.
Travis
I did.
Eric
I like to treat my feedies well. All right, let's go ahead and close out. I'm about to feed Travis so much, and he's gonna love every second.
Travis
We're a little taste test.
Eric
I'm gonna love watching.
Travis
All right, all right. Listening. Remember, money only solves your money problems, but it's easier to solve the rest of your problems with money in the bank. So let's start there. Here on the Travis Makes Money podcast. Thanks for tuning in. Catch you next time.
Eric
Peace.
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Host: Travis Chappell
Guest/Co-host: Producer Eric
Date: March 19, 2026
This episode tackles the challenges and misconceptions surrounding Gen Z’s role in today’s volatile job market. Host Travis Chappell and his co-host Eric engage in a frank, often humorous discussion about reports that Gen Z employees are frequently let go early in their careers, and debate whether this is due to generational failings or broader shifts in the workplace. They dig into the realities of workplace expectations, leadership's responsibility, the evolving definition of career success, and how Gen Z (and everyone else) can thrive today—potentially outside the traditional 9-to-5 path.
“This happens all the time when a new generation comes into the workforce. ...It felt like there was this exact same pushback where it was like, millennials just don’t...they’re lazy.” — Travis [04:54]
“Does it mean the system is broken or does it mean that Gen Z is broken? ...It’s probably not that just an entire generation of people are broken.” — Travis [09:34]
“People are going to start realizing that...I could work for myself and make 80k...and control my own schedule and do stuff that fires me up. I just think this generation is going to be much more motivated by passion or impact, things like that.” — Travis [10:15]
“The work ethic’s there...they’re not buying into the thing.” — Eric [11:40]
Practical Segment: [13:40]–[19:13]
Travis reads practical advice for Gen Z from an industry advisor: ask questions, seek feedback, volunteer, etc.
Eric critiques this advice, sharing personal experiences where going “above and beyond” at a traditional job yielded diminishing returns after a certain point:
“I got a raise...and I kept doing all these new things...then after I got my second raise, my manager said, yeah, that’ll probably be your last raise for a little while. ...my brain just clicked where I was like, I’m done.” — Eric [15:53]
Both agree: in today’s market, company loyalty is rarely rewarded. Instead, workers often get the best pay bumps by job-hopping.
“Annual raises for people who stay in the same role are often only about 2 to 5% per year...some analysis of external job changes cite average increases around 10 to 15%.” — Travis [21:06]
Eric relays a story about a former manager who smartly negotiated to always earn a set amount above minimum wage with each increase—a practical tip for negotiations.
“There’s going to be other available paths...the next decade is going to be a crazy amount of reskilling, upskilling, and the job market’s going to look wildly different in 10 years than it does right now.” — Travis [22:55]
For Gen Z:
For Employers/Leaders:
The episode features Travis and Eric’s signature friendly banter, candid storytelling, and down-to-earth humor—especially in their opening foodie jokes and “feeder” mini-rabbit hole. Both hosts maintain a motivational but realistic tone, focusing on empowerment and practical advice instead of fear-based narratives.
Travis Makes Money’s March 19 episode delivers an honest, nuanced look at the challenging realities of entering today’s job market as a young worker—without falling prey to negative generational stereotypes. Travis and Eric blend humor, fundamental truths, and actionable wisdom on how to find meaningful, profitable work in a changing world. Whether you’re Gen Z, a manager, or simply seeking better ways to earn, this episode insists: adapt, advocate for yourself, and don’t fear charting your own path.