CO-HOST | Make Money Through Better Relationships and Authentic Networking

Summary

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Travis Makes Money – Episode Summary

Podcast: Travis Makes Money
Host: Travis Chappell
Episode: CO-HOST | Make Money Through Better Relationships and Authentic Networking
Date: June 6, 2026

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Overview

This episode dives into the power of authentic networking and relationship-building as a core strategy for making more money and enjoying meaningful professional growth. Travis Chappell and his co-host (the show’s producer, Erickson) set aside conventional, transactional networking approaches in favor of genuine connection, relatability, and maintaining a “lightness” when interacting with others. Drawing from their own experiences (as well as personal anecdotes and some playful banter), they explore what it takes to connect with influential people, why “playing it cool” works, and the delicate balance between capturing moments and not cheapening relationships by treating people as status objects.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Warm-Up: Self-Image and Motivation ([00:49]–[06:29])

• Lighthearted Banter: Travis and Erickson open the show joking about old photos, weight loss journeys, and the personal wake-up calls provided by unflattering images.

  • “You have that moment where you go… you look at a picture of yourself and go, like, ‘Oh my god.’” — Erickson [02:08]
  • This segues into the concept of personal transformation—seeing oneself differently catalyzes positive change.

• Relating to Self-Improvement: Both hosts reflect on their “before” moments as triggers for self-improvement, paralleling the broader topic of leveling up in life, whether physically, financially, or relationally.

  • “But seeing that picture… something clicked where I was like, you need help, you need to get help.” — Erickson [04:25]

2. The “Old Friend” Networking Approach ([06:50]–[13:36])

• The George Clooney Networking Tip: Erickson plays a clip recommending you “imagine everyone you meet as an old friend,” which “unlocks a lightness” and leads to more compelling interactions.

  • “If we can move through the world with lightness and less attachment to other people's opinions of us, there's a paradox, which is that we pull people in more.” — Networking Tip Clip [07:51]

• Travis's Thoughts on ‘Lightness’ and Levity:

  • “Lightness… brings some form of levity into the introduction and takes away the stakes people often attribute to meeting new people.” — Travis [11:52]
  • Meeting people as peers, without posturing or clinging to outcomes, draws others to you and dissipates fear of rejection.
  • “Whatever helps you mitigate the bad feeling of being rejected is helpful in that context.” — Travis [12:09]

• Authenticity Trumps Transactionality:

  • Instead of treating high-status individuals as “goals” or means to an end, Travis advocates for natural, pressure-free interaction, regardless of celebrity or influence.

3. The Perils of Agenda-Driven Networking ([15:05]–[20:06])

• Avoiding the “Sign My Book” Mindset:

  • Erickson points out a common mistake: swarming celebrities or speakers with requests, which makes interactions transactional rather than personal.
    • “When people go in hardcore with an agenda, it’s not great.” [16:12]
  • Travis notes that acting as if meeting a notable person is no big deal actually forges stronger connections.

• Personal Examples:

  • Erickson shares his approach at high-profile events (e.g., with Paris Hilton and Shaquille O’Neal), describing the benefits of waiting for the right moment and not crowding people for photos or attention.
    • “I didn’t want his [Shaq’s] last interaction… to be like, oh, some guy nabbed me for a picture on the way out… sometimes those last impressions are as important as the first.” — Erickson [18:39]
  • Both reflect on how meaningful encounters aren’t always about documenting the moment but rather creating a real connection.

4. Capturing Moments vs. Living in the Moment ([25:22]–[27:26])

• Balancing Documentation and Experience:
  • Travis recounts hanging out with Impractical Jokers’ Joe Gatto and choosing not to take photos to preserve the authenticity of the friendship.
    • “It feels like in that moment, it takes away from the friendship, of just like, we’re just all hanging out because we’re legitimately friends, not because we’re trying to get views or likes.” — Travis [25:41]
  • Both hosts admit they’re trying to do better at capturing memories with friends, acknowledging the value of photos for posterity without making them the purpose of the encounter.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Facing Uncomfortable Truths:
  • “You look at a picture of yourself and go, like, ‘Oh my god.’” — Erickson [02:08]
• On the Power of Lightness in Relationship-Building:
  • “Lightness… brings some form of levity into the introduction and takes away the stakes that people often attribute to meeting new people…” — Travis [11:52]
  • “The less you care, the more people will be attracted to you…” — Travis [12:35]
• On Authenticity Over Agenda:
  • “…the more times I get around people… the more you go like, these are just people.” — Erickson [25:26]
• On Avoiding Status Farming:
  • “If you go immediately to [pics and posts] all the time, then… you only want to go hang out with people because you want to show people that you are hanging out with that person, rather than just actually wanting to go hang out with them for the sake of hanging out.” — Travis [26:05]
• The Value of Connection:
  • “Money only solves your money problems, but it’s easier to solve the rest of your problems when you’ve got money in the bank, so let’s start there.” — Travis [27:35]

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Key Timestamps

• [00:49]–[06:29] — Personal transformation stories and motivation for self-improvement
• [06:50]–[13:36] — The “Old Friend” approach to networking and Travis's principles of authenticity
• [15:05]–[20:06] — Dangers of transactional networking and real-world examples (Paris Hilton, Shaquille O’Neal)
• [25:22]–[27:26] — Balancing living the moment and recording memories without cheapening relationships

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Takeaways

• Successful, authentic networking isn’t about self-promotion or agenda-pushing—it’s about creating a light, genuine connection, treating every interaction as low pressure.
• Both hosts encourage listeners to “play it cool,” resist the urge to clamor for recognition, and approach everyone as people first—regardless of status.
• Maintain balance: it’s fine to capture memories, but don’t let documentation undermine the real reason for building relationships.
• Building better relationships is a core path to greater opportunities and, ultimately, making more money—done best when it’s authentic and human.

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Transcript

[A]

So good, so good, so good.

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That's why you rack. You're listening to the Travis Makes Money podcast presented by GoHighLevel.com for a free 30 day trial of the best all in one digital marketing software tool on the planet, just go to gohighlevel.com travis. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Travis Makes Money podcast. Which mission to help you make more money on this episode of the show, my producer, Erickson Studio. What's up, man?

[A]

I'm going to be honest, Travis.

[C]

I wish you would be.

[A]

When I. When I first saw you today, you know what I was worried about?

[C]

No.

[A]

That you weren't going to recognize me because I'm down 11 pounds and I really didn't know. I was like, I hope he knows who I am. I'm so skinny.

[C]

It actually happened to me one time.

[A]

But you didn't recognize me because I was so skinny.

[C]

No, it was me turning the conversation into something about me.

[A]

That sounds like every conversation I ever had with you. Yeah, because you always make it about your mom.

[C]

Yeah. When I lost a bunch of weight.

[A]

And to be fair, what was your peak again? 260.

[C]

250.

[A]

You're. You're. You're 250. It's so weird how that is, because I feel like your 250 looked way bigger than my 250.

[C]

Yeah. But that one picture that we always use is the worst.

[A]

That's the only one I have of you at that size. If you want to send me a

[C]

different one, I wore it decently well because I would just wear large shirts and I was still like, ironically, I was still going to the gym during that time period because I knew you

[A]

during that time that picture was taken, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't feel like I've ever seen you look like that. Then I see the picture, I'm like,

[C]

that's what I'm saying.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay. That picture is a really bad picture.

[A]

It's kind of. It's kind of like me at the podcast studio in Utah, which is.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. Well, you have that moment where you go. Where you look at a picture of yourself and go like, oh, my God.

[A]

Like, is that the worst?

[C]

When you stand in front of a mirror, you kind of, like, throw your

[A]

shoulders and the lighting is great.

[C]

Kind of go like. And go like, all right. Is that the worst for the day?

[A]

Is that the worst picture of you ever taken?

[C]

Yeah, for sure.

[A]

Okay, be honest. Is the picture of me in the Utah podcast studio the worst picture you've ever seen of me?

[C]

I don't feel like I've ever looked at pictures of you going, like, he looks terrible.

[A]

Okay. For contrast. What's the hottest I've ever looked at a picture? The one in Utah was pretty bad, though.

[C]

It'd be wild if I just pulled one out.

[A]

You're like, it was your wall.

[C]

I actually go, June 12, 2012. Yeah, that was just a really bad.

[A]

I was a minor that year. You would go back. You're like. We're like, what's the last time that you were forbidden fruit? No, no, no, no, no, no. I love that one. Senior year of high school. Feed me. That's crazy. You did that with precision. You're like. You're like. March 26, 2012.

[C]

It's funny because in my mind, that's college years.

[A]

That's crazy.

[C]

But you were still in high school.

[A]

Crazy. But, yeah, I covered Romeo and Juliet Law. Right? That's what you're saying.

[C]

I'm sorry.

[A]

Is what you're saying anyway, but the picture of me in Utah was startling.

[C]

I did not look at it like that, though.

[A]

Wait, when I showed you the picture. Because you laughed. When I showed you the picture, I

[C]

laughed because you were showing it to me. Like, you were like, I don't want to show you. I don't want to show you. Wait, I don't. Wait, hang on. I don't want to show you. I don't want to show you.

[A]

But you laughed, like, when you saw the picture. Were you like, that's what you look like?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, that pisses me off.

[C]

I don't know what to do about that. Because in your mind, you did not look like that. You're saying.

[A]

I'm saying, okay, like this. I go like, that's what I look like. And that's a little chunky and happy. Okay. I do not. I've never looked like that. That's the. That's from the same day when you saw that picture. You're like, that's him.

[C]

Yes. That looks like you.

[A]

That is the worst picture ever of me ever.

[C]

It looks like.

[A]

Can I be honest?

[C]

It looks like you in your. In your dad era.

[A]

Shout out. Though that picture started My fitness journey, I think, because I wanted to say it wasn't. It was just like I already knew I needed to.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

But seeing that picture, like, something clicked where I was like, you need help, you need to get help.

[C]

For me. It was for me. It was. I had to buy a pair of 38 waist pants. That was what it was for me.

[A]

I'm about to take my pants off and blow your mind. That's a clip.

[C]

The beginning of the.

[A]

Because I'm wearing a 38 right now. Oh, that's what's weird about weight, though. Is that like. Here, wait, are these 38?

[C]

What did you think you were gonna do?

[A]

Well, I don't know how to get to it. I didn't want to make you look at the tag. But I'm wearing 38 round. But see, even this picture with Michael Yeoh, my friend Michael Yeoh, and your acquaintance, Michael Yeoh, my friend, your acquaintance Michael Yeoh, stand up comedian on the Tonight Show, I believe, right?

[C]

Tonight show, different stuff.

[A]

Anyway, he's been on a lot of stuff. Very famous. My friend, you Queens. When we went to go see him and we took this picture, I remember being like, I look like a dad, but it was like, kind of fun. I was like, oh, I look like a dad. I just look good. I look good there.

[C]

Yeah. But I don't see the difference.

[A]

But then I go there and it's like, I just ate. A small city, the government is rolling out.

[C]

Well, you know, whatever. I did not feel like that was.

[A]

And then even this, when you took my picture with Jack Carr, my friend, your acquaintance, Jack Carr, fellow Bond fan, I was like, I look like a dad, fine. But it was that picture. There's something about that picture that just horrifies me. And it started my journey. It looks bad. That is bad picture.

[C]

It's also not a good smile. You're.

[A]

You're like, oh, great, now I'm worried about my smile.

[C]

Part of it is, I'm saying that's probably what makes it not as good to you, is like, it's not even. Like, you look like you're upset.

[A]

All right. In that picture, I just don't know what caused me to look this way. I just don't know what could have brought me to this moment.

[C]

Picture of eating a McDonald's.

[A]

See, you pushed me to do that and then, look, my weight got out of control.

[C]

I cannot stand that you do that.

[A]

Anyway. All right, well, here's what we're going to talk about now that we're five minutes into this. Shenanigans. I got it.

[C]

I just.

[A]

I just farmed a good clip for myself.

[C]

By saying shenanigans?

[A]

No, just for. Just for my weight loss.

[C]

Oh, Oh, I see.

[A]

I see. I see. I see. Travis makes money and espanol. Bienvenidos.

[C]

Further off the rails. I see.

[A]

I see. Mucho de niro Senor Travis. In Spanish.

[C]

I can't tell. Racist.

[A]

So we're doing. It's not. We grew up in California.

[C]

Oh, okay.

[A]

So anyway, I wanted to show you a clip because you are known for networking.

[C]

Yeah. Okay.

[A]

And you're the millennial connector. As Bruce Buffer once said in a clip that doesn't exist anywhere. I don't know where that is. But anyway, you started your whole podcast and career talking about networking. Now you have a show called Travis Makes Friends. Ever heard of it? And you make friends with people. You want to have better friendships. And so there was a clip that gives networking advice.

[C]

Oh, okay.

[A]

And I wanted to get your opinion as the networking savant.

[C]

Okay. Okay. Let's see it. The George Clooney tip, which is, imagine everyone you meet as an old friend, which I think unlocks a lightness in our nervous system. And that playfulness is really, really compelling. Most people are not doing things that are personal to you, so even if someone kind of brushes you off, that's fine. Someone else will chat to me. There's something about that lightness, and I'm learning it as I get older. If we can move through the world with lightness and less attachment to other people's opinions of us, there's a paradox, which is that we pull people in more.

[A]

So. So there's some foofy language in there

[C]

just because she's British.

[A]

No, no, there's some foofy language there. The lightness in your soul. Very Dave Meltzer.

[C]

Sure.

[A]

I love it. I could listen to Dave Meltzer talk about that all day. There's nobody. Let me just say this. This isn't offensive, right? I think he would know he does this.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Does he know he does this?

[C]

Does what? You haven't said anything.

[A]

I. Dave Meltzer can word salad sometimes.

[C]

Oh, yes.

[A]

Is that a hot take?

[C]

I don't think that's a hot take.

[A]

Would he be offended if I said that?

[C]

I don't think.

[A]

Because you can cut it. We can cut it if it's offensive, because here's what I'm going to say. Maybe I'll just say it because it sounds worse to build it up. A lot of times when people use word.

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[A]

Salad. Even she. She brushed against it, and I was irritated. Dave Meltzer, for whatever reason, that man, I can listen to him word salad for hours.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's so just. No, no, no, no, no.

[C]

He could say one thing, but in four minutes.

[A]

It's good. Yeah, I like it.

[C]

But anyway, I didn't think that was word salad, though.

[A]

Okay, that's not the point. The point is, what do you think of the advice, though, of treating everybody like an old friend?

[C]

Yeah, that's why I say I don't think this word salady. Because lightness, I think, is a good way to describe, brings some form of levity into the introduction and takes away the stakes that people often attribute to meeting new people, which is that I'm putting myself out there. This person may not like that, and that will make me feel bad if I get rejected versus having some form of lightness or levity to your mentality going into it, I think is very helpful. Like, whatever helps you mitigate the bad feeling of being rejected is helpful in that context. So treating people that you meet like they're an old friend, obviously there's some caveats to that, but I would hope that people would have enough common sense to understand what those things are. You're. You're trying to maintain the energy of. And what you said at the end there is very true that it's counterintuitive, because the less you care, the more people will be attracted to you as an individual and want to be more in your world, which I think is something that's benefited me to some degree in those contexts, is that I feel, and you might correct me on this, I would love to, but I feel that I am easy to get along with. Like, I'm not I don't try to come into conversations, posturing or talking down to people or trying to impress people. It's just more like we're just meeting. And even if it's somebody who is the keynote speaker at the conference or the celebrity I've followed since I was a kid, I try my best to at least put them in a position where it's easier to connect with me. Like, I want it to be less work for them to connect with me rather than more work. And some people make it more work to connect with them.

[A]

Interesting. So the premise you're suggesting is that you're likable. You're generally likable.

[C]

I hate this about you.

[A]

Let's break this down. Yeah, I'd say so. No, you're.

[C]

Why do I. Why do I. Why do I keep you around? I don't know. Anybody can edit clips. You know what I mean?

[A]

Okay. Not like me.

[C]

Somebody. Somebody that would just glaze a little bit more. Not, like, all the time, but, like, just a little bit.

[A]

No, I think you're generally likable. I always say that about Travis.

[C]

Straight face.

[A]

It's. It's because I. But here's the thing. If I didn't think you were, I wouldn't say anything.

[C]

That's what you're doing right now.

[A]

No, I'm saying if I didn't think you were, I wouldn't joke. If there's something like the things about you that are horrific, I never talk about because I don't want to add fuel to that fire. But I joke about things that I know aren't true.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Like, if you're like. If you're like, oh, I did a really good interview. I'm. I'm not like, yeah, dude. Oh, wow. You know, it was terrible. If it was actually bad.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[C]

But I don't do those.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. You do great interviews. So I don't sit there and go,

[C]

wait, was that an actual compliment?

[A]

No.

[C]

Sounded like an actual compliment.

[A]

So you're being very unlikable right now. I feel like I'm at a network.

[C]

Well, the more you get to know me, the less likable I am.

[A]

That's what they're.

[C]

It's counterintuitive.

[A]

But anyway, so. But yeah, I think you're generally likable. Is that the whole.

[C]

But. But that's speaking to exactly what you're saying.

[A]

I do. Like, I do think the one thing you do that she mentions is, like, the not caring because here's what I notice is in a lot of settings where there's well known people, everybody floods to those people to push themselves onto them. Like, hey, oh my God, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[C]

That's only about posturing

[A]

at podcast events or something. I remember going to one with you and there was somebody there and everybody's trying to talk to them and. And then you were kind of like hanging back and you're like, oh, yeah, great, good to see you. Blah, blah, blah. And it was kind of like, very chill.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And like, I feel like there was a difference in the conversation than the people where they're like, can you. Essentially the equivalent of like, can you sign this for me?

[C]

Right.

[A]

Versus, like, you hanging back. Oh, by the way, that was really good. Like, it was almost like it wasn't a big deal to you, which I don't think it was because you were friends with this person. But, like, it wasn't a big deal to you.

[C]

I can tell you that it was a big deal to you.

[A]

You know what I'm saying, though? Like, it's. You weren't. You were focused on having a good interaction more than like, I want to meet this person or I want them to talk to me.

[C]

Right.

[A]

You know, And I feel like that when people go in hardcore with like an agenda, it's like, not great, you know? But I don't want. I'm just gonna give an example. But I don't want to give it. I don't want to know. I was gonna say something for me, but it sounds name droppy and I want to do it.

[C]

Well, okay, so.

[A]

Because it's no big deal. Honestly, because it's no big deal.

[C]

Well, but not with Paris Holden.

[A]

I was gonna give that example.

[C]

I'll name drop it for you.

[A]

I was gonna give that example, but

[C]

I was just saying Eric has met and have multiple conversations with the world, not me.

[A]

Multiple. Two.

[C]

Okay, that's multiple.

[A]

M reactions.

[C]

That's more than one. That's multiple.

[A]

Anyway, whatever. But anyway, I went to a thing for Paris Hilton and I saw that happen where, like, I saw, like, everybody was like, can you get a picture? Can I do this? Can I do all this stuff? And like, I waited till everyone was gone and it was just her standing there. And then I went up and was like, hey, I'm so and so, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, it was such a low because, like, there were people that were like, can we record a quick video? Can we do this? And like, I just knew in my brain, like, I don't want to do that. I don't want to be the person that's, like, another thing. You have to sign another.

[C]

Especially for people like Paris Hilton.

[A]

Right. Where it's all day long. And so I grabbed a picture at the very end, whatever. Which I think I would have kicked myself if I didn't do that.

[C]

Sure.

[A]

But it's like, I just see that happen more and more, and the more times I get around people that are like, oh, even when we just filmed with Shaq, it was like, you were like, you can't take your picture with Shaq. And I was like, I really want to. No, I'm just kidding. No. But, like, even that. That's a great example, actually. And I think it's something that I think me, a few years ago would have been like, I got it. My agenda tonight is like, I'm gonna get a picture with Shaq. That's so cool. Like, I can't wait to be like, boom, boom, boom. And then I could tell in the moment, everyone's flooding out, he's trying to rush out of there. I was like, what I don't want to do is be like, hey, stop your exit and let me grab a picture. Because I knew that that would be one. An inconvenience of the rest of the schedule of what he's doing. But also, I was like, I don't want his last interaction at this event to be like, oh, some guy nabbed me for a picture on the way out. Which, again, could I be overthinking some of that? Sure. But also, I was like. I knew in the setting his last interaction at the shoot was talking to you, meeting your kids, family, all that, and then leaving, shooting one last thing, and jetting. So, like, I didn't want to insert myself and be like, hey, hey, wait, hold on. You know, and, like, leave that as the last impression. I think sometimes, like, those last impressions are important as the first impression, you

[C]

know, Like, Which I genuinely appreciated. Although I was upset at you for not telling me. Yeah. So I told you before we filmed, I was like. I was like, I'm going to be running around just if. If it's not happened, just, like, pull me inside and make sure that we get it. And then that night, you're like, yeah, I didn't get picture.

[A]

I was like, bro, I didn't even say that. You made it sound like I complained about it. You said, did you get a picture? And I said, no. Yeah, I didn't even. I wasn't going to say anything. Forever.

[C]

But. But I do. But I genuinely appreciate that you, like, view the relationships in that context rather than being completely fully self serving in those moments because you understand that there is a lot of psychology.

[A]

Oh, well, why don't I get another guy to do your job? Oh, because another guy would have been like, hey, Shaq, record a message from my mom. That's why I'm here. No, I feel like that all the time though, even it's very rare. I think I've only done it. I think I've only done it twice where you interview somebody. I'm like, oh, can I get up a picture? And the only reason I did it, actually, I think only once with Jack. With Jack Carr. But the only reason I did was because he signed a book. And I was like, well, I should get a picture and be like, I made a joke and it didn't go over.

[C]

You made a joke when you.

[A]

I don't think he heard me though.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

I don't know if this is funny.

[C]

That's just what you tell yourself.

[A]

He didn't hear it.

[C]

Totally didn't hear it. That's all.

[A]

So when we did the interview with Jack. When you did the interview with Jack Carr and I was there and filming. Filming it. Yeah, I was doing something. We had a good conversation. After me, he was like, I wish you'd interviewed me. It was so good.

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[A]

now we were talking hit it off. I think it was good.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And then he went up and signed a book and he Grabbed a different book. He's like, this book would be for you. And went up and got it and signed it and all this stuff.

[C]

And.

[A]

And then I thought, like, I should actually get a picture because it's kind of cool that we connected over this thing. And he got this book specifically. I was like, that's a neat memory thing for somewhere down the road. I'll find it in my Google photos and be like, wow, that was cool. And anyway, so when he went, I was like, can I get a picture? Right before he left. Which I've. Again, I've never done this in like seven years of being with you. I've never romantically. In the seven years I've worked with you, I've never done that ever.

[C]

Ever.

[A]

Yeah, right. Ever. Brandon Novak was here from Jackass, and I love Jackass. And you're like, do you want a picture? And I was like, no, I don't think I should. And I actually do, Phil. That's the one regret I have. I should have done that. But anyway, so the joke I made was I said, yeah, I need a picture for my proof of. Or my proof of authenticity when I sell it on ebay. It was actually you that signed it. But he didn't say anything. But I don't think he heard. I really don't think he heard me because I think he would have laughed. I don't think he's like that.

[C]

No. Like, no.

[A]

Anyway, it's on ebay. I'll put the link in the show.

[C]

He would have laughed even if it was an uncomfortable curse.

[A]

His guys would all shot me with their jack car limited edition Sig anyway.

[C]

Every copy of a book.

[A]

But yeah, so I think. But I think that's all stuff people don't think about. And I think the more that you're around, like, I've been around a good share of people that have, like, big platforms or our celebrities. I don't even like saying it. It feels as blah.

[C]

Yeah, but.

[A]

But the more that you do, the more you go like, these are just people.

[C]

Exactly.

[A]

So, like, think about how weirded out you'd be if someone only wanted experience.

[C]

Yeah. Because it was funny not to name drop again, but when I went out with Joe last weekend, Joe Gatto from Impractical Jokers.

[A]

When I was with Joe Gatto from Impractical Jokers, now streaming on tbs. Very funny.

[C]

Actually, that's also on hbo, I think. But the next day, you know, Jackie was like, oh, how'd it go? And I was like, oh, it was a lot of Fun, you know, did this, Got some dinner, played some games, whatever. And then she was like, did you get any pictures? I was like, no, I did not get any pictures. Which, in retrospect, I probably should have gotten a picture. But also, again, it feels like in that moment, it takes away from the friendship of just like, we're just all hanging out because we're legitimately friends, not because we're trying to, like, get views or likes on a post or something like that. And if you go immediately to that all the time, then that's what it can feel like, that, you know, status farming type of a thing where you only want to go hang out with people because you want to show people that you are hanging out with that person rather than just actually wanting to go hang out with them for the sake of hanging out because they're fun to hang out with.

[A]

Yeah, I feel like I have the opposite problem. I'm trying to do better at taking pictures when I hang out with people. Like.

[C]

Like, you always get mad at me too, when I don't take pictures of people.

[A]

Oh, well, that's. That's. That's my job.

[C]

Well, for interviews.

[A]

Yeah, specifically. But I was gonna say I was thinking about us. We don't have that many pictures together. I was like, if I go to Google Photos and type us in, it's like one a year. But I've been trying to do better. When we went to see Michael Yeoh, we grabbed a picture. When we went to the Mary J. Blige concert, took a picture when we, you know. So like, I'm trying to do more.

[C]

I also am trying to do better at that. But it's one of those things that's weird because it's like, again, you don't want to cheapen the experience, but you also want to remember that it happened.

[A]

And I want to get views because my personal account is growing and I have a book coming out in spring.

[C]

Yeah, that's true.

[A]

Of 2026.

[C]

It seems like my personal account's growing pretty well.

[A]

Yeah, it is, actually.

[C]

Yeah, that's.

[A]

We'll talk about it. We'll talk about it.

[C]

Yeah, that's another episode. We should talk about that on another episode.

[A]

Okay, Sounds good.

[C]

Why'd you say it all weird, sarcastic, anyway.

[A]

Well, let's grab a picture together. But first, we'll close out the episode.

[C]

Anyway, for those of you that are tuning in, remember, money only solves your money problems, but it's easier to solve the rest of your problems. We got money in the bank, so let's start there here on the Travis Makes Money podcast. Thanks for tuning in. Catch next time. Peace.

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