CO-HOST | Make Money with the Best Side Hustles Ranked

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Travis Makes Money

Episode: CO-HOST | Make Money with the Best Side Hustles Ranked

Host: Travis Chappell
Co-host/Producer: Eric
Date: May 22, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this engaging and candid episode, Travis Chappell and producer Eric team up to rank some of the most popular side hustles today, sharing their honest takes, practical insights, and real-world wisdom. The discussion explores which hustles are worth your time, which are overhyped, and which can actually move the needle for your money-making goals in 2026 and beyond. True to the show's mission, the focus stays on empowerment—how to increase your earning power without extreme frugality or the pressure to become a billionaire.

Through lighthearted banter and straight talk, Travis and Eric deliver actionable advice on mastering valuable skills, pitfalls to avoid, and the impact of technology (especially AI) on side gigs. Memorable anecdotes, quick laughs, and some passionate opinions make for a lively listen.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Banter & Gym Talk

([00:55]-[07:45])

• Travis and Eric open with humor about sore legs after leg day at the gym, riff on the culture of fitness, and poke fun at personal trainers who don’t "look the part."

• Quote (Eric, 04:23):
  "I'm just saying, wildly, when someone tells me they're a personal trainer or they're, like, handing out cards—like, you better be jacked."

  • Sets a playful, down-to-earth tone for the episode.

• They pivot from gym stories to how showing up isn't enough—real progress (in fitness or finances) requires intent and push, drawing an analogy for the rest of the conversation.

2. Tier List Introduction: Side Hustles Ranked

([08:47]-[09:14])

• Eric proposes ranking side hustles using a tier system (S, A, B, C, D, F) for clarity, explaining S = Supreme.
• Travis: "I like side hustles that make you get better at something that is applicable both to other people's stuff and to your own..." ([12:27])

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3. Detailed Side Hustle Rankings

([09:30]-[26:32])

a) Freelance Copywriting

• Ranking: A Tier
• Still valuable, as effective copy influences sales, marketing, and customer acquisition, but future AI may threaten the field.
• Quote (Travis, 10:38):
  "Copywriting is essentially the written language of persuasion... That's going to help you with your sales, your marketing, customer acquisition—all of the above."
• Eric shares his routine of copywriting practice, emphasizing the value in learning to spot bad copy ([11:23]).

b) Paid Ads / Media Buying

• Ranking: A Tier (No longer S Tier)
• Useful skill that can be leveraged for jobs, freelancing, or personal business. However, increasing automation (e.g., Meta’s "Andromeda") is reducing the need for manual expertise.
• Quote (Travis, 13:07): "Right now, it's not gonna beat a really good media buyer. But five years from now... you'd have to be spending so much money for it to make sense to have a manual media buyer."

c) Drop Shipping

• Ranking: D Tier
• Crowded/saturated market with slim margins. Amazon and other giants squeeze profits and learn from successful sellers only to compete directly (e.g., Amazon Basics).
• Insightful Quote (Travis, 15:34):
  "If you don't know anything about marketing or copy or ad buying... you're better off learning that skill before you attempt something like drop shipping."
• Discussion of how Amazon and Costco use seller data to create private labels and dominate markets.

d) Flipping / Reselling (Thrifting, Facebook Marketplace)

• Ranking: B Tier
• Good for learning negotiation/arbitrage, but hard to scale. Useful for foundational business skills.
• Quote (Travis, 19:10): "There's value in gaining knowledge about arbitrage... Arbitrage can be played at a much higher level."
• Eric and Travis note the low-risk, low-stakes way to build sales experience.

e) Gig Apps / Micro Tasks (e.g., Surveys, Handyman Jobs)

• Ranking: D Tier
• Low payout for time invested. Might make sense if you love your main job and want pocket change, but little room for growth.

f) Donating Plasma for Money

• Ranking: F Tier
• Candidly labeled "F tier"—not a sustainable or desirable side hustle.
• Humorous back-and-forth about legal/ethical debates:
  • Eric ([21:01]): "This is literally legal prostitution. People are trading their bodies for money."
  • Travis ([21:21]): "That's literally called a job."

g) Sperm Donation (Unethical Cases)

• Ranking: F Tier (with a firm, irreverent note on sperm bank scandals)
• Memorable Moment (Eric, 22:47): "Giving people non-consensual sperm under false pretenses is definitely F tier."

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4. Honorable Mention: Drone Side Hustles

([22:59]-[26:32])

• Travis spotlights drone-based businesses after a recent interview with Damon Darnell (Skyeye Network).
• Low startup cost; many real estate pros find drone photography doubles/triples their listing close rate.
• Quote (Travis, 24:41): "There are a bunch of cool practical applications... the technology is only going to get better and it's only going to get easier to fly them."
• Even in saturated markets, only about 10% of real estate listings use drone photography, so there’s still opportunity for newcomers.
• Travis provides a shout-out and resource:
  "Damon Darnell with Skyeye Network... helped over 37,000 people get their FAA license."

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "If you're not suffering a little bit, what's the point? Like, you feel like you wasted the workout." — Travis ([03:03]), establishing a theme of earning results through effort.

• "Your argument for being fat is that you're also strong. It's like, well, but there's so many strong people who aren't fat." — Travis ([08:29]), on fitness authenticity.

• "Jeff Bezos should be a billionaire. Like, build something like that that changes the face of [the world]." — Eric ([17:29]), in a nuanced take on Amazon’s societal impact.

• Eric, on why some side hustles are F tier ([22:47]):
  "Giving people non-consensual sperm under false pretenses is definitely F tier."

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Takeaways: Which Side Hustles Are Worth It?

• A/S Tier: Focus on skill-building (copywriting, media buying, drone photography) that offers flexibility and upward potential, even as AI shifts the landscape.
• B Tier: Flipping/reselling is good for foundational skills and extra cash, but scaling is tough.
• D/F Tier: Gig apps, microtasks, body-based “hustles” (plasma donation) are limited in earnings and growth—you can do better with your time.
• Honorable Mention: Drone services are poised for growth thanks to tech advancements and under-penetrated markets.

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [00:55] – Gym banter and mindset for real progress
• [08:47] – Intro to the side hustle tier list
• [09:30] – Freelance copywriting (A tier)
• [12:20] – Paid ads/media buying (A tier)
• [14:31] – Drop shipping (D tier)
• [19:03] – Flipping/reselling (B tier)
• [20:12] – Gig apps/microtasks (D tier)
• [20:52] – Donating plasma (F tier)
• [22:59] – Drone business highlighted (A/S tier potential)
• [26:32] – Travis offers a resource for drone business training

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Episode Tone

Conversational, candid, and unfiltered—Travis and Eric keep things buoyant with plenty of humor, practical skepticism, and enough "no BS" talk to help listeners see which side hustles actually pay and which are mostly a waste of time.

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This episode is a must-listen for anyone on the lookout for their next side gig or for a fresh perspective on balancing personal passions, learning, and earning potential.

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Transcript

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You're listening to the Travis Makes Money podcast presented by GoHighLevel.com for a free 30 day trial of the best all in one digital marketing software tool on the planet. Just go to gohighlevel.com travis what's going on, everybody? Welcome back to the Travis Makes Money podcast where it's our mission to help you make more money on this episode of the show. My producer Eric is in studio. What's up, man?

[A]

Hey, what's going on? Travis Chappell.

[B]

I thank you for saying my name correctly.

[A]

I was gonna go for Chappelle.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I held back because someone could be listening for the first time and it just locks in their brain. My legs hurt so bad right now. I'm not even a lie.

[B]

My legs also hurt.

[A]

Like, it just started, like, just aching mine.

[B]

Right now we're in the tired stage because leg day was this morning.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But tomorrow they are going to be in pain.

[A]

Mine will hurt worse because I did it harder than you.

[B]

Yeah. What?

[A]

I was in the. I was. I told you this before, but nobody else heard it. I was in the gym and there was a guy there. He was annoying. What's funny is he was annoying me so much because he's one of those guys that's like a loud grunter, like every workout. And I hate that. I hate when people are like, ah, ah. And I'm like, stop. Stop doing, like, maybe like one thing. Like, I, like, I let out a little, like, whimper, like, you know, a masculine whimper. Like that last time you come up and then you're like, you're done. But it was like everything. Every rep,

[B]

it's not women's tennis.

[A]

And I'm like, dude, chill out, bro.

[B]

Cut off guy.

[A]

But anyway, but he was a nice guy. I talked to him after, but he was saying he's a part time trainer and he's like, you just getting back in the gym? And I was like, in my brain, I was thinking two things. One, he's gonna try to sell me personal training. Which, yes, probably. He's like asking if you ever need any help. I was like, no, but then only $700 a month. He said, you just getting back in? I was like, yeah, how'd you know? Because I'm weak. And because I keep going outside to get Internet connection to look up my workouts to make sure I'm doing it right and still doing it wrong. But you know what he said? What you do? Because I already told you. He said, yeah, for getting back in, you're just going way too hard. And I was like, that's right. You're right. I am going hard. Yeah. And I was like, I'm gonna keep it up. I'm gonna keep going hard. But also, like, what's the point of not going hard?

[B]

Get hard, bro.

[A]

I want to go as hard as I can without physically hurting myself. Yeah, because I was talking.

[B]

You're a couple weeks in now. It's not day one.

[A]

Yeah, I'm not day one. I'm 14 days in. No, I told Jackie that, though. Or she said that. And I agree. Is like, if you're not suffering a little bit, what's the point? Like, you feel like you wasted the workout.

[B]

Well, it's pretty wild, dude, because, like, we've been going to the same gym

[A]

now for not you and I, we're in different tax. You get to go to the cool gym.

[B]

You could afford to go if you want.

[A]

I want it.

[B]

You just.

[A]

I don't want to go that much.

[B]

Choose to not.

[A]

I mean, I could afford, but it is very expensive. Versus when you signed up. If you walked in for the first time today, would you sign up?

[B]

I would. I would be shocked. And probably. No. But the reason I continue paying is because now I'm like, yeah, but you're in the cult. Exactly.

[A]

You're literally in the cult.

[B]

I am in the cult of lifetime.

[A]

But I had someone the other day that was like, okay, I don't wanna say this. No. But I had someone. Cause they're opening a Crunch Fitness.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

I love crunches. I do 100 crunches a day. They're made by Nestle Crunch Reps. That's worse.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But anyway, they were like, have you heard of Crunch Fitness? I had to go through the whole spiel with them, and they're like, we're doing a giveaway. Whatever. I ignored them. What was the point of that?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Anyway, I don't wanna go to Crunch Fitness either. It didn't look cool. Crunch Fitness looks like the gamestop of gyms where, like, everything's neon. I'm just like, I don't.

[B]

It seems strange.

[A]

And also, I don't know if this is bad. I. I literally always am. Just like, when someone represents a gym and they're not in great shape.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[A]

It immediately makes me go. Not because, look, I don't.

[B]

I'm not.

[A]

I don't go in the store and just see a random person go like, oh, you're overweight. Like. I'm not saying that.

[B]

Of course not.

[A]

I'm just saying wildly, when someone tells me they're a personal trainer or they're, like, handing out cards for, like, you better be jacked.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

Because I want to look like you, my guy. And I was in better shape than the person handing me the card. And I was like, no. And I didn't take the card because there's the Panta virus.

[B]

Yeah, it should have.

[A]

Or hantavirus.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Panta or Hanta.

[B]

I think it's Hanta.

[A]

Let's not talk about too much, because

[B]

it's not bringing it.

[A]

Hey, let's launch a live show. Anyway, anyway. Sorry.

[B]

Yeah. What I was gonna say is that we've been going to the gym, the same gym for so long that you see people in there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Year after year after year after year.

[A]

I know. I was there with my mom the other day and someone. Remember? No, that's another funny story. I went with Jackie.

[B]

Oh, oh, oh.

[A]

And this old lady was like, oh, I wish I could get my son to go work out with me. Which is crazy.

[B]

It's a crazy thing to say.

[A]

Jackie's, like, two years older than me,

[B]

and she looks younger than you. Okay, well, that's not a slight against you. That's a compliment to her.

[A]

I don't know. It's.

[B]

The beard makes me look younger. That's what I'm saying. You have a beard.

[A]

If Jackie had a beard. Let's Photoshop Jackie. If Jackie had a beard, she would definitely look older than me.

[B]

Yeah. She would also look like a man.

[A]

Yes. I wish my dad would take me to the gym. Anyway, what are we talking about?

[B]

My point is to say that, like, a lot. Like, you'll see people go to the gym year after year after year and never make any progress. And what you were saying at the beginning of that is exactly. Why is this like. And to be fair, it's better than not going at all. And maybe they've maintained when they would have gone the opposite direction and that there is clearly a time and a place for maintenance. But, yeah, if you're not. If you're not pushing it, then what Are you doing there?

[A]

Well, I, Yeah, we were watching the show. Welcome. And we'll talk about another topic. But I'm. I'm a gym rat, you know. But we were watching Embrace the identity. We were walking. We were watching. I can't even say watching anymore. It's just walking. My brain autocorrected to just fitness because I'm just swole now. And we were watching welcome to Plathville. And he's at the. The dad from the show is at the. At this like high impact, like kind of CrossFit esque type thing where just like work out till you throw up. That's literally what they say on the show. And they show the guy that's like the trainer. And I was like, this guy probably used to play like football in high school, like 30 years ago.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But he's like, he was so out of shape. And I was just like, I just can't. I literally can't imagine paying right. This guy. It's.

[B]

Because the thing is, even if you have like, even if you got certified, you know what I mean? Like it just the, the, the head knowledge of getting in shape is different than the body knowledge of getting in shape.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean like if you're going to tell me to push it and you've

[A]

never done that, like that's the trainer. Yeah, he's a bit. He's a big fella.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Like you can tell he used to be like a big dude, muscular friend. But like the guy he's yelling at is in better shape. Yeah, look at that.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

I don't want you to tell me like you can tell it used to be big and probably can still lift like crazy. But like he also looks out of breath. Just coaching.

[B]

Right. Like I saw this one guy on social recently, big dude like that, and he was mocking people's pursuit of a six pack.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And saying basically they're like, oh, you, you have a six pack. But it's because you're so skinny and you can't lift any weight or whatever. And it was like, you can't talk shit about people who have a six pack when you've never even come close to having one or understand the dedication that it takes to get one. Like I understood a little bit about what he's saying.

[A]

I got a six pack.

[B]

In terms of people who've never worked out at all and have a six pack, it's like, oh, you just have like crazy fast metabol and you are just skinny, skinny. Like there's no body fat on you. Therefore, your abs show. But like, the point was just very poorly received from me and the majority of people in his comments because it was just like, bro, you can't talk into that when you're like 65 pounds overweight still. Yeah, like there's that for. For, like there's still a bunch of people who have both.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I mean? Like, your argument for being fat is that you're also strong. It's like, well, but there's so many strong people who aren't fat. Like, that's not. That's just a non starter, you know,

[A]

I have a six pack of beer. I have a six pack. I store it behind my keg.

[B]

Hey.

[A]

All right, well, here I have a tier list here I wanted to talk to you about. I'm not going to visualize it because it's. I started thinking of visualizing it, but also I would forget what the images represent. So I'm just going to have you say a letter and then maybe later I can put some of them together. That shows it. But I want to do a tier list of side hustles.

[B]

Okay, let's do it.

[A]

I don't know why I said that. Like I was going to continue. I want to do a tier list of side hustles. Okay.

[B]

Declarative. I like that.

[A]

And so I want you to either go S, A, B, C, D or F. You can throw an F if you absolutely hate it. Once again, for millennials, S means it's supreme. It's the best.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

All right. That was for you. I was reminding you.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

All right. Freelance copywriting I like tomorrow morning is knocking. Stock your fridge now. How about a creamy mocha frappuccino drink? Or a sweet vanilla smooth caramel maybe? Or a white chocolate mocha?

[B]

Whichever you choose, delicious coffee awaits. Find Starbucks frappuccino drinks wherever you buy your groceries. That one a lot. Five years ago, I would have put it at S tier. Now with AI, I think that there's a little bit of danger in putting too much stock in that right now. A copywriter, like, like if I was putting a VSL together or putting a sales page together, I would still hire a copywriter. I'm not gonna outsource it to AI because copywriter's just better. But I assume that is going to get better and better over the next two, three, four, five years. So that might not be as defensible of a skill in the next decade, but I would still put it a tier because if you get really good at copywriting it helps on so many other things in your sales language, in your marketing. And, like, you have to learn copywriting is essentially the written language of Persu. So if you are doing anything that helps you become better at persuasion, it's going to help you with your sales, your marketing, customer acquisition, all of the above. And I like the practice of copywriting even versus, like, doing sales calls.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because you have to be super intentional about every single word that you have in your copy. So I like. I like that a lot.

[A]

Yeah. I think it's a good. I had a period of a. Probably like two or three months where I was reading. Oh, what's that guy's book that's on copywriting?

[B]

Robert Cialdini.

[A]

Nope. It is Jim Edwards.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Okay. Book. And then I would set a timer and, like, just practice writing, like, some form of copy. Like. And that was a cool practice just to know how it works.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because, like, I can. I wouldn't say I'm like, a great copywriter. Probably better than I think, but.

[B]

Probably.

[A]

But I can spot bad copy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Super easy.

[B]

That's what's more important.

[A]

Yeah. It's kind of like photography.

[B]

Like, I don't decipher.

[A]

I don't call myself a pro photographer.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I also know, like, I see a lot of photography and I could do. I could. That's how I survive now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's how I always feel with wedding. I'm like, I could shoot weddings, but I don't want to anyway. We should do, you know, be fun.

[B]

What?

[A]

I don't even want. I want to throw up.

[B]

Just.

[A]

You and I should shoot, bro.

[B]

We should shoot a wedding photo.

[A]

Dude. We should do one. Dude.

[B]

We could do it and document it as a side hustle.

[A]

I don't want to do it.

[B]

No, I don't want to do it.

[A]

There's nothing I'd rather just thinking about. Okay.

[B]

We'd have to charge an insane amount

[A]

of money if you want to pay an insane amount of money. And it's travel one.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Then, yeah.

[B]

Destination wedding.

[A]

And you have at least a 10 cabo 100k.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And maybe it's an elopement at the courthouse for an hour. We could do it paid ads, media buying.

[B]

A tier as well.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Actually, I'm gonna put that S tier. I'll put that S tier.

[A]

Really? I'm shocked.

[B]

No, no, no, no. A tier.

[A]

A tier. Okay.

[B]

Because I look at it very similar as I would look at copywriting. Very useful skill in terms of, like, I. I like side hustles. That make you get better at something that is applicable both to other people's stuff and to your own stuff potentially in the future. So if you get really good at buying media, you can have a great job. If you want to have a job, you can start a freelance agency and do it for other people or you can start your own business and do it for your own business and have a leg up on a bunch of people who have to use that as a marketing expense on their P L. So I like that one a lot. Again, the, the only, the reason why it's not an S tier is the same reason copywriting is not nest here is that I think that most of these media buying platforms like they're, they're like Meta's most recent update is things called Andromeda and it basically does all the targeting for you. So your, your job essentially is to load it with, with as much creative as possible and then it does its own auto targeting and finds audiences for, with the creatives that you use. So it's, it's built for people who can pump out a bunch of creative without having to like go in and select their audiences like you would normally have to do in the back end of one of these platforms. So I just think that technology is going to get better and better again over the next. Right now it's not gonna beat a really good media buyer. But five years from now I just don't see how the, how the tech is like the difference between the two. You'd have to be spending so much money for it to make sense to have a manual media buyer. And even then they're probably just going to be managing multiple campaigns with AI agents that are doing the majority of the legwork and they're just there for like quality control and checking to make sure everything's running smoothly. But like I said that that's probably only going to impact people who have massive media spend budgets where like a 3% increase in efficiency means that they're saving $200,000 a month type of a thing. You know what I mean? But for most people it's probably not going to be, you know, comparable to, to, to have like a manual media buyer in four years from now. So that's why I would, I would put an A tier instead of S tier. Same, same copy drop shipping, D tier. Whoa. I think it's all the way at the bottom.

[A]

Like wait, F is the bottom.

[B]

There's. Well, but I don't want to put it at F because I want to

[A]

find one that you'll think is an

[B]

F, there's still value in it. I just think that it's not. It's just not as good as it used to be.

[A]

And, and it's so saturated.

[B]

It's very, very saturated. And there is not as much incentive for Amazon to make that better versus making their own stuff better because that, like Amazon is basically Costco online. So they do a really good job at like, when they had a bunch of dropshippers on who were crushing and making great money eight, nine years ago, they basically were like, hey, what are the products that are selling the best? And then they just made an Amazon Basics line to compete against all of their own, like, retailers on the platform, which is like Costco and Kirkland Signature. You know what I mean? They just test out. And I think Kirkland signature does like 30 or 40% now of Costco's total revenue, which is insane. It makes it one of the largest brands in the entire world. Kirkland Signature is. And so I would assume the Amazon Basics is very similar to that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I think it's a race to the bottom. The margins get really squeezed. You're not really learning a super marketable skill because you're not learning how to, you know, manage distribution and have your own 3 PL facility and have a manufacturing. Like, you're not doing any of that stuff. So if you're really good at marketing, dropshipping might be okay to get into. But if you also are, if you also, if you, if you don't know anything about marketing or copy or ad buying or anything like that, like, you probably are better off learning that skill before you attempt something like drop shipping.

[A]

Yeah, dude, Amazon stuff is getting so good.

[B]

That's what I'm saying.

[A]

It's like crazy. Like, and even we do a lot of like Amazon Grocery through there and which one? Like, a lot of their stuff, which is whole foods. A lot of it's whole. So they have like Amazon Grocery, which is like, I think it's just literally called the Amazon Grocery, which is like, I would say very similar to like their version, like great value from like Walmart.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then they also, most of their products are like whole foods. So like, it's good quality stuff and it's a. For like their meat's pretty good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's cheaper than anywhere else. I, I don't know. I, like, I'll go to Smith's sometimes and their meat looks like a little sketch.

[B]

I just go to Costco.

[A]

But yeah, yeah, it's, it's Great. We actually spent. This would have been a good Charleston's money.

[B]

We were.

[A]

We keep getting hit with butcherbox ads. Yeah. And not a current sponsor, so I'll tell you how I feel. No, I'm just kidding. No. And I was like, this sounds like such a good deal. And then I kept going through. I was in perplexity with like a calculator open and we're like, how much is. How much is in the cart on Amazon? How many pounds is that? How many? And it was like not worth it to do butcherbox. It was like more expensive and yeah, Amazon's killing it. Flip flops. Amazon basics. Flip flops, dude, it's. It's great. Shout out. Amazon.

[B]

They need the, they need more business.

[A]

Amazon's one of those things like, in terms of. Because I, because I know a lot of people are on, like, the billionaires shouldn't exist, but I'm like, Jeff Bezos should be a billionaire.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, like, like build something like that

[B]

that changes the face of.

[A]

And I understand, I understand fully. Like, there's issues like warehouse workers and there's things like, and there's things that people are addressing and need to be figured out because like, it's just a massive. There's nothing to be like delz. There's like, there's no company that's grown that way that quickly. But like, I was literally getting something delivered the other day. I was like, there's no company that I think has done more good for society than Amazon. There's so much bad that comes with anything growing quickly. But I was just like the fact that, oh, I want to do this last minute thing and I can get something in my house in an hour and I can do this activity with my daughter or if you're.

[B]

I've 43 fulfillment centers here.

[A]

I ordered something the other day and it gave me like a. It gave me like a four hour window and then it, it got to my house in 47 minutes.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

And I was like, this is amazing.

[B]

Well. Cause that's the, that's. I think the misnomer of Amazon is that they didn't just, they didn't just bring value to commerce. No, they, they brought value to logistics.

[A]

Dude.

[B]

If you're like, they're a logistics company fronting as a commerce.

[A]

Well, if we were doing a podcast right now, and if we're doing a

[B]

podcast right now, imagine that we're sitting at a table.

[A]

Yeah. With two microphones and our XLR cable broke. We could get one here in 45 minutes from Amazon.

[B]

Yeah, it's wild.

[A]

Anyway, but let's keep the logistics problem. Shout out Amazon. Good work. All right, here's one.

[B]

They're going places.

[A]

Flipping and reselling from like thrifting or Facebook Marketplace.

[B]

I'm going to go B tier on that. I like the skill set of arbitrage in general. Just understanding that markets shift and different people, different segments put place value on different things at different times for different reasons. And there's no telling, you know, what somebody else is willing to pay for something that somebody else sold to you for this price. So I think there's value in gaining knowledge about arbitrage. And like we talked about in the previous episode, arbitrage can be played at a much higher level. Like you can flip Hot Wheels at a car at a, at a garage sale. You can also flip houses.

[A]

It's a great one on one activity to be like, what is.

[B]

It's almost like helps build negotiation skills at a. Where there's, there's no stakes. You know what I mean? It's like you're, you're negotiating unless you're selling me.

[A]

And the stakes are high.

[B]

But yeah, so I would, I would put that a B just because it's not. There are versions of it that are really scalable, but it's just much more difficult to scale that. So I'll put it a B tier.

[A]

Let's do one more. I want to get one that's like an F tier. Okay, here's one. This one sucks. You see what you put here? Gig apps. So like everything from like survey, take the survey, get five bucks. It's a ten minute survey. Or like micro tasks, like handyman apps, things like that. Where do you put that?

[B]

Probably D tier. I wouldn't put an F though, because. Because it depends on how much work is required and what your goal is with your side hustle. If you have, if you love your job, then there's no reason to have a, you know, have something that could potentially be scalable.

[A]

I want an F tier. Donating plasma for money.

[B]

Okay, F tier.

[A]

No. What?

[B]

What?

[A]

It helps others and it helps you.

[B]

Okay. You can't just assess. No, it's not an S tier.

[A]

I saw one time someone said that because someone said one time I saw a post about plasma, like one of those plasma centers was doing an ad and someone said, this is literally legal prostitution. People are trading their bodies for money. I was like, no, what? It's not the same thing.

[B]

I don't think you understand how the world works.

[A]

Yeah, it Was basically like, this is predatory. It's making people sell off their body for money. And I was like, that's literally called a job.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Anyway, all right, well, let's.

[B]

What about sperm? Would you donate sperm?

[A]

No, because for, for a while I was doing it a lot and I stopped. Just kidding. No. Donating sperm. There's something where like people can request records and I've seen so many stories where people like look for their biological dad and it's literally some guy that just like.

[B]

But can't you like check a box

[A]

that says you can, but they can still. Like there's some weird thing. And also there's a crazy. There was a crazy story. Well, one, sperm banks freak me out because like if you're out on the sexual marketplace and someone. What if someone came from the same sperm? You know what I mean? Like, it's just weird how it's diluting the pool. But also there was that weird documentary where the guy running the sperm bank was also like just putting his sperm in people. And he had like 30 kids. Did you ever see that? He like basically like this town, all these people did 23andMe and they were like all siblings.

[B]

That's.

[A]

And he had like 20 or 30 kids. So he was like injecting his sperm into. That's crazy.

[B]

Yeah. That is wild.

[A]

I mean, I'm, I, I wouldn't, I don't recommend that. That would. Yeah. F tier.

[B]

Yeah, we found one.

[A]

Giving people non consensual sperm under false pretenses is definitely F tier.

[B]

Yeah, I'm going to go and put that.

[A]

But you know, it's not f. I

[B]

feel confident putting that in that tier.

[A]

Closing out this episode.

[B]

Well, hang on. There's one that I wanted to bring up because it's top of mind and because I had this guy on the show yesterday, the day before drones. He. So he's been, he, he's been doing his own drone business since 1996 and then has continued doing it. He's helped like 15,000 entrepreneurs start drone businesses. And the more we talked about it, the more I was like, this is an awesome side hustle. Even if it's something that's like the low hanging fruit, which is helping real estate agents or something like that. It's super low cost to get started. You know, you just need a drone and you need to learn how to fly it.

[A]

And a license takes like a technically

[B]

a half hour of.

[A]

And a license technically and a license,

[B]

which is hard, which he can help you do as well.

[A]

I tried. I started Studying for the FAA thing to get the drone. And I was like, fuck this, I just won't get caught.

[B]

Yeah, but if you're going to turn it into a side hustle, that stuff is like a little bit of a barrier. Not massive, but also earning potential. You could build a multi seven figure business off drone. Videography is very cool, but it's also like there's stuff where they have equipment now does like lidar scans and structural integrity scans of like, like they'll, they'll do flyovers on golf courses and show the golf course like what area needs to be more fertilized, what area needs to be less fertilized, what should be watered or less watered. They're doing like power washing on, on big buildings now, like window washing.

[A]

And the other thing they're doing, there's

[B]

like a bunch of cool applications that I hadn't thought of beyond just photography or videography.

[A]

Well, the other thing they're doing now that I just saw the other day is there' for like feature film production. They're doing like there's drone, there's lighting drones where like they'll like go up and they'll light a street or something. And I was like, that's so sick.

[B]

Yeah, there's a bunch of cool practical applications and again the technology is only going to get better and it's only going to get easier to fly them. Yeah, so I actually really liked that one. That one was really cool. He told me a stat about for real estate agents. So if you're in real estate, listening to this is probably applicable to you. You're saying that the average close rate on listing presentations across this like survey of agents was like 23%. And then when they moved their presentation to include drone photography or videography, the close rate went up to 80%. Now I did not double check any of those stats. I don't know where that data is coming from. I don't know if that they ran their own survey which might be skewed. But either way, even if it's half of that, it's still double what the 23% was, which is fantastic. So like if you're, if, if you're in that space, it's a pretty quick and easy presentation to be like, hey, this is what we're seeing from the stats and you can present this to agents as like this is your edge over everybody el help you close more listings to help you make more money. And it's a fraction of what you're going to make on this deal. So yeah, I really. I really like that one. That was actually one that I've. That I. That I saw recently that was like, more people should be doing this. So I think there's like, a craze and where it was trending and everybody was talking about it and then they didn't. But he was still saying that. Less than 10% of real estate listings use drone photography to this day. So the market's still even. That is the most saturated market in the drone world, and it's still only 10% of the total market. So, yeah, I really like that one. I had to give an honorable mention to that one, actually. Let me. Let me look up his name real quick. So if you're listening to this, you don't have to do additional homework. Damon Darnell, D A R N A L L with Skyeye Network, has a. Has a whole drone training program. They train entrepreneurs. They help. They've helped over 37,000 people get their FAA license. So, yeah, he's. He's got something really cool going on over there, if that's interesting to you. But that's it for this episode of the show. Thanks for tuning in. Remember, money only solves your money problems, but it's easier to solve the rest of your problems when you got some money in the bank. So let's start there. Here in the Travis Makes Money podcast. Thanks for. Tune in. Catch you guys next time. Peace.

[A]

Much like a drone, we gotta fly. Okay, see you next time.

[B]

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