CO-HOST | Make Money with the Power of Perspective

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Travis Makes Money

Episode: CO-HOST | Make Money with the Power of Perspective
Host: Travis Chappell
Guest/Co-Host: Eric (Producer)
Date: March 17, 2026

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Main Theme:

This episode explores how cultural and religious perspectives on money shape our attitudes and behaviors. Travis and Eric use a collection of thought-provoking quotes—mainly from notable pastors, theologians, and historical figures—as springboards for unpacking common beliefs (and misconceptions) about wealth, generosity, success, and materialism. The tone is irreverently playful but insightful, with both hosts challenging, agreeing, and disagreeing on different perspectives, all while emphasizing the power of perspective in finding a healthy, empowered relationship with money.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. AM Radio Nostalgia & Burnout (00:30 – 04:30)

• Eric and Travis open with light banter about exhaustion, recording marathon podcast sessions, and growing up listening to Southern California AM radio ("stimulating talk radio").
• Memorable Moment: Both reminisce about old radio personalities and how conservative radio influenced their parents’ perspectives—a humorous segue into the topic of how outside voices mold financial mindsets.

2. Money Advice from Pastors: Agree or Disagree? (04:30 – 21:25)

a. Possessing Riches vs. Being Possessed By Them

• Quote: “There is nothing wrong with men possessing riches. The wrong comes when riches possess men.”
  — Billy Graham
  Travis (05:03): "Amen. Amen. Yeah, I agree. Full. Full agree… I didn't hear the it's okay for men to possess riches part growing up."
• Insight: The distinction between healthy ownership and being owned by wealth is not always taught in traditional settings.

b. Rejecting Scarcity & Self-Sabotage

• Quote: “When I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart.”
  — John Wesley
• Travis (06:21): "You're like putting out the energy into the universe that you don't want money… that's silly."
• Insight: Travis rejects the guilt-ridden impulse to get rid of money and instead advocates for a mindset of abundance and stewardship.

c. Wealth Enabling Responsibility

• Quote: “Do you know why God wants you rich? So you can do more. The wealthier you become, the more responsible you are to God.”
  — Jerry Savelle
• Eric (06:58): “I do like the mentality of, like, if you have more, you can do more. You know, like, it’s a nice, nice reframe.”
• Insight: With increased wealth comes greater opportunity—and responsibility—to impact others.

d. Prosperity Gospel Gone Wild

• Quote: “Put God to work for you and maximize your potential in our divinely ordered capitalist system.”
  — Norman Vincent Peale
• Eric (07:38): “Holy hell. That’s a crazy quote.”
• Travis (08:32): “I don’t agree with putting God to work for you. No… that seems like a crazy thing. Like, just the phraseology is a weird choice, especially from somebody who would proclaim to be a pastor.”
• Insight: Both hosts critique and poke fun at using religion to justify materialism or “divinely ordered” capitalism.

e. False Equivalence: Money as Divinity

• Quote: “Money is God in action.”
  — Reverend Ike
• Travis (09:51): “That is just objectively false.”
• Eric (10:19): (provides controversial background on Reverend Ike and his “money in the pocket theology”)
• Insight: Critique of prosperity gospel and conflating material wealth with divine action.

f. Wealth, Sin, and Character

• Quote: “It’s hard to carry a full cup without spilling and a full estate without sinning.”
  — Traditional proverb
• Travis (11:17): “You can be a terrible sinner with $0 in your bank account, or you could be a terrible sinner with a lot of money in bank account. And the opposite… it's better to be the best person with a lot of money because you can help more people.”
• Insight: Good or evil is rooted in character, not bank balance; money amplifies what’s already present.

g. Materialism vs. Impact

• Eric (11:56): "Like, I feel like I've never been less materialistic than I am right now… it's a lot more of, like, the impact thing than it is the me-have-kingdom thing."
• Travis (12:09): "I feel very similar as of the last, like, year or two."
• Insight: Both hosts focus on making a difference, not just amassing stuff.

h. Critiquing Mega-Pastor Motivations

• Commentary on the self-serving cycle of megachurch book tours as “impact”—with a nod to comedian Taylor Tomlinson’s joke (12:33).

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3. Quotes that Challenge and Inspire (13:23 – 21:07)

a. Hoarding as Idolatry

• Quote: “Earthly goods are given to be used, not to be collected. Hoarding is idolatry.”
  — Dietrich Bonhoeffer
• Travis (15:57): "Yeah, I like that… money is movement. Like, it has to flow out in order to flow in. You can't just save up money and hope that it turns into more."
• Memorable Moment: Eric delivers a rapid history of Bonhoeffer as a courageous anti-Nazi theologian, “That's called living your faith.” (15:43)
• Insight: Advancement is about deploying resources, not hoarding them.

b. Generosity Repays Itself

• Quote: “He who bestows his goods upon the poor shall have as much again and 10 times more.”
  — John Bunyan
• Travis (17:00): “It's useful to live by, you know?”
• Insight: While not always a literal guarantee, this underscores a principle of generosity and abundance.

c. Annoyance with Pseudo-Profound Quotes

• Series of snarky comments over G.K. Chesterton’s often-quoted, sometimes pompous aphorisms (17:29–21:07).
• Notable Exchange:
  • Eric (18:28): “He’s like, someday this is going to be on some annoying college kid’s Twitter.”
  • Travis (20:51): “We apologize, Chesterton.”
  • Eric (20:54): “No, I don’t. Nine out of ten are absolute poop.”
• Insight: Not all “wisdom” quotes age well—critical thinking matters!

d. Final Wisdom & Episode Wrap

• Quote: “Money won’t solve your money problems, but it’s easier to solve your problems with your money in the bank.”
  — Eric (21:22, paraphrasing various sources)
• Travis (21:32): “Remember, money only solves your money problems, but it’s easy to solve the rest of problems with money in the bank. So let’s start there…”
• Insight: Money is a tool—empowering, but not a panacea for life’s deeper issues.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “There is nothing wrong with men possessing riches. The wrong comes when riches possess men.”
  – Billy Graham (05:03, discussed at 05:15)

• “When I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart.”
  – John Wesley (05:25, discussed at 06:21)

• “Do you know why God wants you rich? So you can do more. The wealthier you become, the more responsible you are to God.”
  – Jerry Savelle (06:41, discussed at 06:58)

• “Put God to work for you and maximize your potential in our divinely ordered capitalist system.”
  – Norman Vincent Peale (07:38, 08:32)

• “Money is God in action.”
  – Reverend Ike (09:35, 09:51)

• “It’s hard to carry a full cup without spilling and a full estate without sinning.”
  – Traditional (11:00)

• “Earthly goods are given to be used, not to be collected. Hoarding is idolatry.”
  – Dietrich Bonhoeffer (13:23, 15:57)

• “He who bestows his goods upon the poor shall have as much again and ten times more.”
  – John Bunyan (16:48)

• “The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and left untried.”
  – G.K. Chesterton (20:21)

• “Money won’t solve your money problems, but it’s easier to solve your problems with your money in the bank.”
  (Paraphrased, closing) (21:22)

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Takeaways & Tone

• Humorous, irreverent, yet pointedly honest—Travis and Eric share serious thoughts about money, influence, and worldview without preaching or shaming. They poke fun at empty platitudes and theology that supports guilt or greed, instead advocating for empowered, sensible stewardship.
• Key Message: Perspective is everything: your beliefs about money, shaped by culture and upbringing, determine financial outcomes. Question dogma. Value impact over materialism. And remember—making more money isn’t about greed, but about creating options and doing more good.

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For listeners:
If you’re tired of shame-based financial advice, or want to laugh while getting real-world wisdom about money mindset and impact, this episode is well worth your time.

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Transcript

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[Travis]

You're listening to the Travis Makes Money podcast presented by GoHighLevel.com for a free 30 day trial of the best all in one digital marketing software tool on the planet, just go to gohighlevel.com travis what's going everybody? Welcome back to the Travis Makes Money podcast where it's our mission to help you make more moolah. Today on the show, my producer Eric is in studio. What's up, man?

[Eric]

Hey, man, how you doing today? I am drained, dude, I am so tired.

[Travis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Eric]

I feel like we've been just slugging it out.

[Travis]

This is episode. Wait, hang on, let me, let me, let me do the math real quick. Today's recording schedule. 1, 2, 3, 4. This is episode number 11 for me today.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Travis]

And I've been sick since yesterday.

[Eric]

I've been listening to your Voice since about 8am this morning.

[Travis]

What a lucky fellow you are.

[Eric]

No. Can I tell you what happened this morning? What? So I went. This is like my. This is where I practice for AM radio if I ever go that route.

[Travis]

Oh, yeah.

[Eric]

So the other day. So this morning I was getting ready to go out the door and you're like, oh, wow, really? You have a door, huh?

[Travis]

Put on my radio voice.

[Eric]

We should do that every episode. We should do five minutes of news

[Travis]

radio, of AM radio talk.

[Eric]

Yeah. So the other day I was going out the door and not just kidding. No. This morning I was going out to go to the Starbucks to use my computer and do some work.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

And I got there. I got my drink from Starbucks.

[Travis]

You did?

[Eric]

Yeah. I love Starbucks. What's your order, by the way?

[Travis]

Oh, oh, I just get a black coffee. You know me.

[Eric]

Yeah. I got my chai tea latte and I sat down with my computer and I realized I forgot my charger.

[Travis]

Oh, no.

[Eric]

It was a pain.

[Travis]

Been there.

[Eric]

So I had to go back to my house and work there instead. Wow. Anyway, coming up right now we got Bruno Mars.

[Travis]

I think that's FM radio or.

[Eric]

Oh, sorry. Coming up next is John and Ken. And then

[Travis]

throwing it. It back for those SoCal AM radio listeners, man.

[Eric]

John and Ken. My parents listen to nothing but John and Ken on the radio. And then my dad loved late at night on AM640 was.

[Travis]

What was the guy that more stimulating talk radio.

[Eric]

What was the guy that was like, the conspiracy theory guy. He would come on, like, if we were driving late to Arizona, it would be. And my dad loved him because he was, like, so out there. I don't know. A 640 California conspiracy. I want to say it's Cat.

[Travis]

That was John Nori. That was the more stimulating talk radio, right? Yeah, that's what they said.

[Eric]

Am640, more stimulating talk radio.

[Travis]

Stimulating talk radio.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Travis]

Oh, John definitely heard that a time or two in my day, man. I forget his name in between west coast cassettes.

[Eric]

Yeah, yeah. We would. Pensacola Trios for us.

[Travis]

Pensacola Trios, huh?

[Eric]

Crazy.

[Travis]

A bunch of liberals.

[Eric]

More stimulating. I wonder if I can find their little plug.

[Travis]

We just need to put that on our soundboard.

[Eric]

AM640, more stimulating talk radio. Oh, is this it? Let's listen. Why are we doing this? Southern California's KFI news on the hour. And when it breaks.

[Travis]

And when it breaks.

[Eric]

Oh, my gosh.

[Travis]

Dude.

[Eric]

Holy.

[Travis]

We gotta put that on the soundboard.

[Eric]

Oh, that's so.

[Travis]

That's so funny because you. You don't realize, like, what. What the region is, you know, so it's funny that you were listening to the same. Yeah, I was.

[Eric]

Yeah. It was radicalizing my parents. It was a conservative AM news station.

[Travis]

That's so funny.

[Eric]

Oh, Lord.

[Travis]

All right, well, anyway, AM radio. What a great time that was. Do you ever see Hot Rod?

[Eric]

No.

[Travis]

Really? Dude, it's top five comedies all time for me.

[Eric]

Not for me. I've never seen it.

[Travis]

Well, you should watch it.

[Eric]

I should definitely check it out.

[Travis]

As you should check it out.

[Eric]

Has Andy Samberg in it. We love that guy. He's a great Billa.

[Travis]

Danny McBride hater.

[Eric]

Love him. All right. Anyway, it's almost Sunday, which means people are going to be hearing from their pastors. And I have some quotes about money from pastors. These are the type episodes.

[Travis]

What a collision of our world.

[Eric]

When we've been recording for about a couple hours and we're both tired. It's easy to read some quotes and talk about them, huh?

[Travis]

That's. That's what I always say.

[Eric]

All right, I'm gonna read a quote, and I want you to tell me if you agree or disagree, all right? There is nothing wrong with men possessing riches. The wrong comes when riches possess men.

[Travis]

Amen. Amen. Yeah, I agree. Full. Full agree.

[Eric]

Really?

[Travis]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Eric]

You do?

[Travis]

I do agree.

[Eric]

Great.

[Travis]

Who's that?

[Eric]

Anything you want to add to that?

[Travis]

No.

[Eric]

No. Okay, that's good. Billy Graham said that.

[Travis]

What a. What a wise man.

[Eric]

He had some. Some barn burners, huh?

[Travis]

Yeah, no, that. That's a really good one because I didn't hear that growing up. I didn't. I didn't hear the it's okay for men to possess riches part.

[Eric]

Yeah, that's true. When I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart.

[Travis]

Boo.

[Eric]

You don't like that one?

[Travis]

It's a bad one.

[Eric]

Why don't you like that? That's.

[Travis]

That's.

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[Travis]

You're like putting out the energy into the universe that you don't want money. Like, that's. That's silly.

[Eric]

Well, it's. It's getting it. But then get. Getting rid of it quickly.

[Travis]

No.

[Eric]

Okay, that's dumb. That's John Wesley.

[Travis]

John Wesley.

[Eric]

That's dumb.

[Travis]

Okay, thanks for that, John Wesley. You gave us a contrarian viewpoint. Finally, a quote that I can wholeheartedly disagree with. That's silly.

[Eric]

Are you ready?

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Do you know why God wants you rich? So you can do more. The wealthier you become, the more responsible you are to God.

[Travis]

Okay, I can get on board with that one.

[Eric]

You like that one?

[Travis]

I can get on board with that one. Sort of like the with great power comes great responsibility thing. Little Spider man esque.

[Eric]

It is. I do like the mentality of, like, if you have more, you can do more. You know, like, it's a nice, nice reframe. That's Jerry Savelle.

[Travis]

I don't know.

[Eric]

I feel like he's a bad guy.

[Travis]

To be clear, just because we're agreeing with a certain quote does not mean we endorse everything.

[Eric]

That's name sounds familiar. And now I'm wondering, if a name

[Travis]

sounds familiar to you, then it's probably an indicator.

[Eric]

Oh. Oh. He. He's known for his close association with Kenneth Copeland, so, yeah, probably. So he's definitely wanting God to bless

[Travis]

him with private jets. Yeah.

[Eric]

All right, here's another one. You ready?

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Wow. I don't even know where to start with unpacking this quote. Put God to work for you and maximize your potential in our divinely ordered capitalist system. Holy hell. That's a crazy quote. Hold on, let me read that again.

[Travis]

About separation of church and state.

[Eric]

Put God to work for you is a crazy. That's crazy business. Yeah. First.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Put God to work for you and maximize your potential in our divinely ordered capitalist system. Is God a capitalist?

[Travis]

Divinely ordered. Well, you heard it from him. I'm assuming. This guy can't be wrong.

[Eric]

Shout out. All right. Put God. I'm going to read this again because I'm just bamboozled by.

[Travis]

I'm just enamored.

[Eric]

Put God to work for you. I want a shirt that says Put. Put God to work for you and maximize your potential in our divinely ordered capitalist system. Wow.

[Travis]

Yeah. That's a crazy thing to say. Who said that?

[Eric]

Agree or disagree? Yes or no? No. Norman Vincent Peel.

[Travis]

Yeah, that. I don't know who that is, really, but he's wrong.

[Eric]

Wait, even.

[Travis]

Even if I were, like, still wholeheartedly in the church, that would be something. I'd be like, oh, that sounds insane. Put God to work for you.

[Eric]

You don't know who Norman Vincent Peale is?

[Travis]

I've heard the name, but I don't know who he is.

[Eric]

He's the author of the positive of the Power of Positive Thinking.

[Travis]

Oh, okay.

[Eric]

That's crazy. The divinely ordered.

[Travis]

See, I. Divinely ordered capitalistic system. That's a wild thing to say. Show me that. In the Bible, I talk about reading between the lines.

[Eric]

So you don't agree with putting God to work for you?

[Travis]

I don't agree with putting God to work for you. No.

[Eric]

Do you agree with maximizing your potential?

[Travis]

I mean, that's, like, a really weird way to say it.

[Eric]

Yeah. You know, I don't know what this means.

[Travis]

Like, the universe. Conspire for your good might be a better way of saying something similar to that. But that seems like a crazy thing. Like, just the phraseology is a weird choice, especially from somebody who would proclaim to be a pastor.

[Eric]

Yeah. Okay, let's get. Let's move on. That's a. I have to sit with that one for a little bit.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

All right, here's one. Money is God in action.

[Travis]

What?

[Eric]

Money is God in action.

[Travis]

You know?

[Eric]

Yes.

[Travis]

You know what? Whoever Wrote this down. You know, they thought they were cooking with that.

[Eric]

Money is God in action. Yes or no?

[Travis]

No.

[Eric]

Why?

[Travis]

How?

[Eric]

Yes or no?

[Travis]

That's the question I would ask. How is that true? Money is God in action. That is. That is just objectively false.

[Eric]

Why? I'm going to keep saying why.

[Travis]

Who said it?

[Eric]

Reverend Ike.

[Travis]

Reverend Ike.

[Eric]

Frederick Iker Ron Kotter. Do you want to know a little bit about him real quick?

[Travis]

Sure.

[Eric]

Because sometimes the quotes make more ass.

[Travis]

Quote.

[Eric]

The longer that you. The more that you know about the person, the more the quote makes sense.

[Travis]

Okay.

[Eric]

Reverend Ike was a highly controversial 1970s prosperity gospel televangelist known for advocating money in the pocket theology, massive personal wealth, and unapologetic materialism, which alienated traditional church leaders and civil rights activists. Investigations into his finances by the IRS and postal service, allegations of sexual misconduct, and his charlatan reputation marked. Marked his career.

[Travis]

That's so weird. Yeah, it seems like it wouldn't be that.

[Eric]

God is money in action, brother.

[Travis]

That's a crazy thing to say.

[Eric]

All right, here's one. It's hard to carry a full cup without spilling and a full estate without sinning. This is more like it.

[Travis]

No, I disagree with that one, too.

[Eric]

That's more familiar. Yeah, that right there is more.

[Travis]

More in line with traditional.

[Eric]

You can't have everything you want and not be probably sinning.

[Travis]

Yeah. But that, again, makes it seem like money is the thing that's causing you to sin.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Travis]

Which it's not. You can be a terrible sinner with $0 in your bank account, or you could be a terrible sinner with a lot of money in bank account. And the opposite of that is also true. You could be the best person with no money, or you'd be the best person with a lot of money. And it's better to be the best person with a lot of money because you can help more people.

[Eric]

I will say I respect. Maybe it's bias of. No, I. It's not. It's just better. I respect this more than you deserve.

[Travis]

Then. Money is God serve it.

[Eric]

The universal servant, you know, kind of thing. Like. Like I would say I've never. Like, with each passing month, I'm becoming less materialistic. Yeah.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Like, I feel like I've never been less materialistic than I am right now. Like, when I think about, like, I would want this, it's like. It's like. It's a lot more of, like, the impact thing than it is the.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Me have kingdom thing. Yeah. You know, I feel the.

[Travis]

I feel very Very similar as of the last, like, year or two.

[Eric]

But I also lean toward the. Well, if I have more, it's more to do those things that are impactful. But I feel like the difference is a lot of pastors, like the. Some of the ones I've mentioned on the list already, it's like I, I need more so I can have bigger impact, but it really just means, like, so I can be on more radio stations. Yeah.

[Travis]

You know, so I can sell more of my books.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Travis]

Taylor Tomlinson in her special has a great joke about. Spoiler alert. I know you're going to watch it later, but she said something about the. The megachurch pastors who go on book tours. She was like, oh, I'm sorry, I thought you already had a book to promote. I thought that was like a really great way of saying that because it's

[Eric]

like I, I bet when she said I was funnier than what you just did.

[Travis]

Oh, yeah. Well, it was in the context of being.

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[Eric]

Oh, I was trying to find the clip.

[Travis]

No, it's in her new special.

[Eric]

I bet she was funnier than you.

[Travis]

Yeah, she's a professional, funny person.

[Eric]

I bet she was a lot funnier than you.

[Travis]

It's a great. It's a great bit.

[Eric]

All right, I'll check it out.

[Travis]

Yeah, you should.

[Eric]

I'd love to get her on the show. Actually, on my show. I'd love. Not yours.

[Travis]

I would love to get her on my show as well.

[Eric]

I'll get her on mine first.

[Travis]

Okay, go for it.

[Eric]

Okay. All right, here you go. You ready?

[Travis]

Yep.

[Eric]

Earthly goods are given to be used, not to be collected. Hoarding is idolatry, I'd say.

[Travis]

I agree with that.

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[Eric]

screen hey, low key. Cooking.

[Travis]

Loki. Cookin. I can get on board with that.

[Eric]

This fellow was often cooking, though.

[Travis]

Okay.

[Eric]

You know, he said it.

[Travis]

No.

[Eric]

Paul Chow. No, I'm just kidding. Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

[Travis]

I don't know. That is.

[Eric]

Get out of here.

[Travis]

Diedrich von Hoffer.

[Eric]

Dietrich Bonhoeffer. You've never heard of him?

[Travis]

Nope.

[Eric]

Oh, my God. Dude, here's. Here you go. You want a summary?

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Okay. He was a. You ready for this? This is the most badass pastor of maybe the last hundred years.

[Travis]

Let's hear it.

[Eric]

120.

[Travis]

You're building some.

[Eric]

Really? 150 years.

[Travis]

This is badass right now. Okay.

[Eric]

This. It's actually amazing. There hasn't been a really good movie made about this yet. Dietrich Bonhoeffer is most famous as a German Lutheran pastor and theologian who actively resisted the Nazi regime, culminating in his involvement in the plot to assassinate Adolf Hitler. He is revered as a Christian martyr for his courageous opposition, which led to his execution in a concentration camp just before the end of World War II.

[Travis]

Damn.

[Eric]

That's badass.

[Travis]

That's a badass.

[Eric]

That's called living your faith. So he was, like, 39 when he died.

[Travis]

Dang.

[Eric]

That's. That's. That's practicing what you pre.

[Travis]

Give it up there. Give it up for D. D.

[Eric]

Yeah, he's got a lot of. He's got a lot of coats that are cooking.

[Travis]

That was a good one, though. What was that quote again?

[Eric]

Read, earthly goods are given to be used, not to be collected. Hoarding is idolatry.

[Travis]

Yeah, I like that.

[Eric]

Shout out.

[Travis]

It's sort of like the, you know, money, money. Money is movement. Like, it has to flow out in order to flow in. You can't just save up money and hope that it turns into more. You gotta be. You gotta move money. Money likes to move around.

[Eric]

You know, I heard a quote the other day on Wheel of Fortune. This lake lady was on and she said, truly, even it was last night, I was watching, and there was this older lady on the show. She's like, I'm 82. I've been watching since Pat Sajak in the 80s. And she told Ryan Seacrest, she's like, I mow my acre yard and I do this. But, you know, motion is lotion. And I don't know what that means.

[Travis]

Motion is lotion.

[Eric]

To me. It's good for your skin.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Keep going.

[Travis]

Helps you stay active. Yeah, you.

[Eric]

You keep. Anyway, she ain't cooking. She needs to read more. Bon.

[Travis]

That's a good one, bro. Motion is lotion.

[Eric]

All right, he. Here's one.

[Travis]

Lubricate the gears to keep on rolling. You.

[Eric]

Here's one. You ready? He who bestows his goods upon the poor shall have as much again and 10 times more.

[Travis]

That's a good quote.

[Eric]

No, I like that.

[Travis]

I don't know, but, I mean, it's.

[Eric]

He who objectively guarantee.

[Travis]

I was gonna say it's objectively false, but it's like a good thing.

[Eric]

It's like a karma.

[Travis]

It's useful to live by, you know?

[Eric]

You know this guy?

[Travis]

I do know him.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Travis]

Personally.

[Eric]

Yep. I guarantee you've read his book if you went to a Christian school.

[Travis]

What book?

[Eric]

Pilgrim's Progress. John Bunyan. Yeah, he had. He had a lot of pain in his feet. Okay.

[Travis]

Something we have in common.

[Eric]

Are you ready?

[Travis]

Yep.

[Eric]

There's no such thing as success. This quote is annoying. I hate when people. Wait, I'm not done with the quote. I just. I finished the quote, and then I just. You know. You know when people write quotes. This is my biggest fear when I'm writing something. Yeah. Is that it sounds like. I think it's really smart because that's so annoying. And this is exactly what this feels like.

[Travis]

Every.

[Eric]

Every quote from this dude. I've always thought that they sound like this. All right, you ready? There's no such thing as success. A millionaire is successful in being a millionaire. And a donkey. And being a donkey, so get out of here.

[Travis]

That's some deterministic.

[Eric]

That's so stupid, dude.

[Travis]

You're going to tell me you believe in free will and then say a quote like that?

[Eric]

I hate when people write something like that. I'm like, you thought you were doing something.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

But you weren't.

[Travis]

Who said that?

[Eric]

G.K. chesterton. He has a lot of quotes that I feel like that about.

[Travis]

He is like, he. I feel like that guy just intentionally wrote quotes for a living.

[Eric]

He was like. He's like, someday this is going to be on some annoying college kids Twitter.

[Travis]

I remember when I was, like, preparing a bunch of sermons back in, like, high school and college, and I would go. I think it was. I think it was literally called, like, SermonQuotes.com or something like that, where you could basically go search for quotes for, like, certain passages, scripture.

[Eric]

It's just him.

[Travis]

It was like, 90% GK Chesterton. I was like. I didn't even know who he was before I started researching quotes. To use in sermon illustration.

[Eric]

If you're G.K. chesterton's great grandson and you're listening, I'm so sorry, but listen to these quotes. I have beef with him. Can we get him on the show?

[Travis]

I mean, that one was about.

[Eric]

This is literally like a kid that's going to Bible college and is, like, trying to be profound on Twitter. That's what all his quotes are. Take away the supernatural and what remains is the unnatural. What? That's what I said.

[Travis]

Well, the thing is, he. He was just going for shots on goal. I mean, he probably has 10, like, really good quotes and 3,000 not good ones.

[Eric]

This one I'm sure we heard sometime fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions. Oh, wow. That was really profound. Men invent. Men invent new ideals because they dare not attempt old ideals. Oh, thanks, G.K. oh, oh, here's one. Here's a great one. No, I'm not done. Here's a great one. The reformer is always right about what is wrong. He's generally wrong about what is right. Oh, come on, get a grip.

[Travis]

What? You know that the quote's going to be annoying when somebody whose initials are G.K. makes you call them G.K. g.K. That's not like a TJ or something like that. Like, who goes by their initials when it's a G and a k? This is 1 0, people.

[Eric]

This is the one that I always heard. The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting. It's been found difficult and left untried. He low key cooked. That was a good one.

[Travis]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's going for volume.

[Eric]

Here's the one. Here's the one. Here's. This one is good. This is his best quote on a high note with Chuck. GK I don't know why this episode turned into I don't like this guy. But the Bible tells us to love our neighbors and also to love our enemies. Probably because they're generally the same people. That is a good one. We're cooking. It's on the grill.

[Travis]

All right. We apologize, Chesterton.

[Eric]

No, I don't. His nine. Nine out of ten are absolute poop.

[Travis]

That's what I'm saying is his Twitter feed would have been rife with like, 12 posts a day, but one of them would have been good.

[Eric]

A dead thing can go with the stream, but only a living thing can go against it. Isn't that profound? Neat.

[Travis]

That one's better than the other ones.

[Eric]

This is. We want to hear the worst one. The worst. This is the worst one.

[Travis]

Okay.

[Eric]

Money won't solve your money problems, but it's easier to solve your problems with your money in the bank.

[Travis]

Cooking with that one, bro.

[Eric]

All right, go ahead. Close this out before I throw something.

[Travis]

Well, that's it for this episode. Remember, money only solves your money problems, but it's easy to solve the rest of problems with money in the bank. So let's start there, here on the Travis Makes Money podcast. Thanks for tuning in. Catch you next time.

[Eric]

Peace.