CO-HOST | Make Money Without Sacrificing Everything: The Truth About Work-Life Balance and Entrepreneurial Success

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Podcast Summary:

Travis Makes Money
Host: Travis Chappell
Episode: CO-HOST | Make Money Without Sacrificing Everything: The Truth About Work-Life Balance and Entrepreneurial Success
Date: June 2, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deeply into the reality of entrepreneurship and the true meaning of "work-life balance." Travis and his producer/co-host Eric discuss viral internet opinions, personal experience, and the nuanced truth about what it takes to succeed in business—especially the trade-offs involved when pursuing big, bold goals. They center the conversation around viral advice from Poppy co-founder Allison Ellsworth and challenge listeners to define success for themselves, not just follow one-size-fits-all advice.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Viral Clip from Allison Ellsworth (Poppy Founder)

• Timestamps: 03:05–03:22
• Allison shares an anecdote about a founder clocking out at 5pm and questions their dedication given their lack of a company exit:
  • "Talking to a founder...he goes, yeah, I shut my computer at 5, I cold punch Isana. And I said, oh my gosh, when was your exit? He goes, I haven't. And I said, ex, because you're not focusing on the business." — Allison Ellsworth [03:05]
• This sparks the episode’s main debate: Are true entrepreneurial results only available to those who go “all in,” or can you build success with boundaries?

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2. Travis & Eric: The "It Depends" Debate

• Timestamps: 03:43–05:00
• Travis is clear: There’s no universal answer. The “work-life balance” question depends on your business goals.
  • “If you're trying to build a billion dollar brand, then yeah, you're probably not going to have a balanced life during that build.” — Travis [04:53]
• Lifestyle businesses and scaling empires require very different levels of sacrifice.
• “Owning a business that requires you to be there every day is just a glorified job”—watch out for building a life you didn’t intend.

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3. Seasons of Life & Business

• Timestamps: 05:00–09:27
• Travis stresses entrepreneurship should be seen in “seasons.”
  • “Different seasons call for different versions of you and different workloads.” — Travis [05:24]
• Cautions against advice from super-successful finance experts that is too rigid for average entrepreneurs (e.g., Dave Ramsey’s hard “no credit card or debt” stance).
• “If that were the only version of truth, then everybody else who has a similar or higher net worth… would also subscribe to the zero debt thing—and almost none of them do.” — Travis [08:00]
• Emphasizes defining your goals; don’t chase someone else’s vision of success.

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4. Allison Ellsworth’s Personal Sacrifice Story

• Timestamps: 12:13–13:04
• Allison describes her own intense work grind—hospital Zooms, bottling lines, baby in tow—emphasizing “chaos” is sometimes necessary, and support systems are key.
  • “I was back on the filling line with the baby strapped to me two weeks later. Absolutely, I had the night sweats and you're exhausted and you feel crazy. But I had a good support system... And I set a good example.” — Allison Ellsworth [12:37]
• She frames the sacrifice as temporary and goal-oriented: endure chaos for a season to reach big goals.

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5. Defining Success for Yourself

• Timestamps: 13:48–15:49
• Travis and Eric stress that “success” can only be defined by you. For some, it's a billion-dollar exit; for others, it's control over your time.
• Important trade-offs: If you’re always sucked into the business, you might just be trading one kind of grind for another.

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6. Prioritization, External Voices, & Ruthless Focus

• Timestamps: 16:11–17:41
• Eric asks: How do you know which advice to follow about work/life priorities?
  • Travis: “Ruthlessly prioritize against your goal.” Health is always important, but priorities do shift.
  • “You have to have a number one priority. You can’t have three things that are equally number one.” — Travis [17:41]

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7. The Myth of Perfect Balance

• Timestamps: 21:19–27:29

• Travis emphasizes you don’t need “perfect” balance or equal distribution of time.

  • “It might not be like, oh, I'm spending 24/7 with my kids, but it might be, I spend 30 minutes with them in the morning… I have a full hour of time dedicated to my kids.” — Travis [27:09]

• Success in one domain (business, health, family) shouldn’t come at total cost to the others—especially as a parent. Regret is real; decades with your kids are fleeting.

• “At some point your health is gonna demand that you pay attention to it... anybody who is near the end would give up 100% of their net worth to be 20 and healthy again.” — Travis [26:28]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Allison Ellsworth [03:05]:
  "When was your exit? ...Ex[actly], because you're not focusing on the business."

• Travis [04:53]:
  "If you’re trying to build a billion dollar brand, then you’re probably not going to have a balanced life during that build."

• Travis [05:24]:
  "Different seasons call for different versions of you and different workloads."

• Travis [08:00]:
  "If that were the only version of truth, then everybody else who has a similar or higher net worth… would also subscribe to the zero debt thing—and almost none of them do."

• Allison Ellsworth [12:37]:
  "I was back on the filling line with the baby strapped to me two weeks later… I had a good support system."

• Travis [17:41]:
  "You have to have a number one priority. You can’t have three things that are equally number one."

• Travis [26:28]:
  "Anybody who is near the end would give up 100% of their net worth to be 20 and healthy again."

• Travis [27:09]:
  "It might not be like, oh, I'm spending 24/7 with my kids, but it might be... I have a full hour of time dedicated to my kids."

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Takeaways & Practical Wisdom

• Define “success” for you. Is it scale? Freedom? Flexibility? Don’t inherit someone else’s goal or sacrifice blindly.
• Work-life balance is not static. Life and business run in seasons—sometimes a sprint is required, sometimes boundaries matter more.
• Sacrifice is real. Building something big (like a billion-dollar business) usually requires extreme focus for a time.
• Priorities change. Release perfectionism around “balance;” instead, focus on devoting meaningful, if not always equal, time to what matters.
• Health and family require ongoing, intentional investment—even when business is your main focus.
• Refuse rigid, one-size-fits-all dogma. Take what serves you from business influencers, and leave the rest.

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Recommended Segments for Listening

• Viral founder zinger & debate intro: [03:05–05:00]
• Discussion of business “seasons”: [05:00–09:27]
• Allison Ellsworth’s raw work-life story: [12:13–13:04]
• Philosophical riff on defining success: [13:48–15:49]
• Tough love on health, regret, and parenting: [22:15–27:09]

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Summary Tone:
Conversational, lively, authenticity-focused, and robustly practical—Travis and Eric banter with humility, emphasizing self-awareness and conscious choice-making above hustle-culture or prescriptive formulas.

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Transcript

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[Travis]

What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Travis Makes Money podcast where it's mission to help you make more money on this episode of the show. My producer Eric's in studio. What's up, Eric?

[Eric]

How you doing, pal? What's going on today?

[Travis]

You know, just sipping a diet Coke.

[Eric]

Yeah. What's your. What have you.

[Travis]

The volume of drinks that I have these days is getting out of hand.

[Eric]

What. What have you. What's been your diet today? What have you been doing today?

[Travis]

I have had a protein shake with creatine after the gym.

[Eric]

Wow.

[Travis]

And then I had a coffee.

[Eric]

Wow.

[Travis]

Black.

[Eric]

Wow.

[Travis]

Of course. And then I had a white monster.

[Eric]

Okay.

[Travis]

A few hours later. And then I had a core power protein shake. Yeah.

[Eric]

Okay.

[Travis]

And now I'm drinking a diet coke. Okay. And that's been my entire diet.

[Eric]

Similar diets. I told you we I today my diet has been I had a 26 protein. You know what's dumb? They always at the store have the 26 in the fridge and the 46 on the shelf.

[Travis]

That's true.

[Eric]

And so like today I wanted a cold thing. I didn't want to wait.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

And then 26 is all the time. 26 is always there. But whatever.

[Travis]

Those ones are a little tastier though.

[Eric]

No, I like the. I actually have gotten used to the 42 that vanilla the I to be

[Travis]

fair, it's the best tasting protein that there is.

[Eric]

My headache just kicked in actually as I was saying this. But so all I've had today until I got here was a 26 gram core power and a cigar.

[Travis]

Nice.

[Eric]

And now since I've been here, I've had 42 gram core power, a white monster and a water.

[Travis]

Yeah, a water. So we've both been eating a lot today.

[Eric]

We're doing really Good. Let's have a cigar after this, huh? How about that, huh?

[Travis]

More nicotine and less food.

[Eric]

Okay, so there's a little clip that's been popping off because it's with the founder of Poppy. The drink comes in anyway, but it's just a little quick 15 second zinger. Okay. But it's also like a little bit of a hot zinger that people will get, you know, get their feathers ruffled a little bit. So I'm gonna play it and then we can have a larger conversation.

[Travis]

Sweet.

[Eric]

Hopefully. Or else it's gonna be a short Vince episode. All right, Here we go. 5, 4, 3, 2. And here we go.

[Allison Ellsworth]

Talking to a founder the other day. And he goes, yeah, I shut my computer at 5, I cold punch Isana. And I said, oh my gosh, when was your exit? He goes, I haven't. And I said, ex, because you're not focusing on the business. And he was like, oh, whoa, wait, you're right, I was talking.

[Eric]

Hmm.

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Dang.

[Eric]

Clocked him. Okay, here's my question. Can you or should you clock out as an entrepreneur and how much should you be adding to your schedule that is not directly like business profitable, like work related?

[Travis]

You're gonna hate my answer because it depends.

[Eric]

Why? Why would I hate it? Because you say me as a person.

[Travis]

Because you say. When I. Whenever I say this, you go like, oh, of course.

[Eric]

I don't think I'm going to do that.

[Travis]

No, it depends.

[Eric]

Oh my gosh. I knew you were gonna say. No, I.

[Travis]

What do you.

[Eric]

Yeah, I know. I knew you were gonna say that. That's what I was kind of trying to tee up here.

[Travis]

Yeah, it depends on a lot of different factors. Like first off, are you like. I mean, Poppy exited for what, 2. 2 billion? 3 billion?

[Eric]

I think it's something. Yeah, something like that. It was, uh, huh, 1.95 billion.

[Travis]

Yeah. So about 2 billion.

[Eric]

I just round down one. What are we talking about the other day where I rounded down and you

[Travis]

were like, oh, yeah, what's that?

[Eric]

There was something. And I said, I'm rounding down.

[Travis]

Yeah, but you were rounding down by

[Eric]

like from like 90 to 0.

[Travis]

From 95 to 0.

[Eric]

What was that?

[Travis]

What was that for? Calories, maybe?

[Eric]

I hope not. I've been tracking my calories. I've been rounding down to the nearest thousand.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

I haven't lost any weight. That's not true. I've lost eight pounds, actually.

[Travis]

Well done, sir. Eight. Well done.

[Eric]

All brain. That's a joke.

[Travis]

Yeah. Because if you're trying to build a billion Dollar, a billion dollar brand, then yeah, you're probably not going to have a balanced life during that build. You're probably going to be working crazy hours. You're probably not going to have any time for anything other than building the business. But if you're trying to build a lifestyle company, something that just like pays you better than a job would that you have control over, then I think that it's probably not good to constantly be working all the time. Like I actually had this conversation with, with Jackie, my wife recently because she's running our Everbowl store.

[Eric]

I think you meant Jackie Robinson, the baseball player. I was like, wow, that's interesting.

[Travis]

And I basically told her this exact thing was like, at some point you're going to have to give up these certain tasks that you've held onto since we started the business. Like it at some point in the future, you, like ideal version of this is you will not be doing these things. Correct? She was like, yeah, it's like, okay, so you have managers in place, train them on these things that you're still doing, the things that you don't like doing the things that you are that are still dragging you into the store for and taking up your time that you don't want to be doing that could be outsourced to somebody else. Get rid of those, train somebody else like you, you have like. So I think that can be damaging advice to somebody who's just trying to build like you know, $3 million business, 5 million doll, million dollar business and have control over their schedule and, and not have to answer to a boss and take their family on vacation when they want to. That can kind of be damaging advice because if the business requires you to be there to operate it, then you basically just own a glorified job that just takes more hours rather than less hours and then doesn't give you a consistent paycheck. So I think that can be sort of, sort of damaging advice to the wrong person. But it sounds like she was talking to the, a founder of a company who really wants to build and scale and grow and see those types of numbers. And in that sense, like you're, you're just going to be building so much so quickly that even while you're outsourcing things to other people and training other people, there's still going to be a bunch of stuff that needs to get done and you're going to be the only person to be able to do those things. So ultimately my thought on it has been sort of the theme of the show recently. Which is that it's all seasons. It calls for different times, you know, different. Different seasons call for different versions of you and different workloads and different volume of. So I wouldn't say that it's necessary. Like there was somebody. Where was this? I think it was on. Oh, it was from when we were doing the tier system of finance influencers and I put Ramsey I think at like B tier or something. And somebody in the comments was irate that I didn't have him at S tier and because he's like the most successful of all time and whatever. And I was just like, yeah, I just don't, oh, I have an A tier. So I didn't put him next year. And the only reason I didn't have him in the top tier was because I was just like, I can't, I just can't get on board for like, never ever have a credit card, never worry about your credit score, never ever have debt. Just can't get on board for that. And then he said something about like, well, but I mean the guy has like a half a billion dollars in real estate just on his campus and he makes all this money. Like I think that he would know, you know what I mean? It's like, okay, but that's flawed logic. Because if that were the truth and the only version of truth, then everybody else who has a similar or higher net worth to Dave Ramsey would also subscribe to the zero debt thing and almost none of them. So like, and this is the same, the same logic being applied here, which is that because it was the only way that I could do it, that means that this is the only way that anybody can do it. And again, not true. I'm sure that there's examples of people who've sold wildly profitable companies for good sums of money who turned off their computer at 5 or who at least drew hard lines in their calendar, maybe didn't turn it off at five at seven or they had a scheduled two hour block to be with their kids or whatever. Like I'm saying, like, if you're going to give that advice and pretend like it is the only, only way, then you should be well researched enough to be able to back it up with a bunch of evidence that says that all of these people also agree with me on this and all of these people have the results that you want. But the question to really ask yourself is, what are the results that I want? Because I think that there's a decent amount of entrepreneurs who don't get into the game because they want to have a billion dollar exit. They get in the game because they want to have control over their time. It's like, well, if you are constantly being drawn back into the business and you're working 80 hours a week for yourself instead of 40 hours a week for somebody else, that's not a better scenario. If you started the business to have more control over your time, it's just what is.

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[Travis]

Yeah, so yeah, I would say it's very dependent on the individual, the type of business, the goal that they have, their lifestyle and all those other. But my gut tells me that she's absolutely correct. If you're trying to build a $2 billion company, like that's probably just going to. You're probably not going to see any of your friends for a while, you know.

[Eric]

Well, let's go back to Poppy co founder Allison Ellsworth. Here's what she says about work life balance. Let's see if she lines up with you, okay? Okay, pal, you want to see?

[Travis]

There we go.

[Allison Ellsworth]

Talk about work life balance. I think if you want to be successful, you kind of have to sacrifice that for a little bit. I remember with my first, I was on the bottling line, went into lab, took three zooms from the hospital, talking through with suppliers and I was back on the filling line with the baby strapped to me two weeks later. I think, absolutely, I had the night sweats and you're exhausted and you feel crazy. But I had a good support system. My mom helped raise our kids. My husband was very supportive. I trusted the team to be there when I couldn't be there. And I set a good example. I took off when I needed to take off or I said I was exhausted when I needed to be exhausted. And for me, I think it's okay to work hard. I think it's okay to live in chaos and to like it. I think that can be controversial. A lot of people.

[Travis]

Yeah, I think that's great advice.

[Eric]

Sounds like the opposite of what you just said.

[Travis]

Well. Well, I don't think so.

[Eric]

Sounds like exact opposite.

[Travis]

No. Because her goal was to build. Yeah.

[Eric]

But she's kind of like seasons, you know, it depends on what you call it.

[Travis]

Oh, yeah.

[Eric]

It was the opposite of what you're saying.

[Travis]

I was going to say being sarcastic. Yeah, it was exactly. I felt like it was just reiterating what I just said.

[Eric]

You're like, no, no, no. That's what I said. That's what I said.

[Travis]

Yeah, it's, it's the season thing and it's the goals thing is like if that was her goal, then that's what's required to be able to reach that goal. So again it brings up questions, but I've never built a billion dollar business. So I, I don't have any business talking about that level of entrepreneurship. Cause I've never gotten there. But I would be curious to hear from other people who have built those types of businesses if they also felt like this.

[Eric]

You probably never will get there because you're going to stop at 5 today. Actually we already talked about it.

[Travis]

Well, yeah, well, like we're literally done

[Eric]

at five today and we'll never sell this.

[Travis]

At this point in my life, I am a okay with never getting there. Like and that goal might adjust again in the next 10 years. Maybe life gets a little less busy. The kids are gone doing their thing.

[Eric]

I have an idea when it gets. Because we were going to stop at five recording, let's not. And then we can sell this for a billion tomorrow.

[Travis]

That's the lynch pin that we're waiting for. That's the goal now.

[Eric]

That's the goal.

[Travis]

But yeah, I think it voluntary just comes down to what's your goal at the business? What are you trying to do? If you're like the term that she used, Be successful would be the only thing that I'd push back on there. But she was clearly meaning it in the context of building a billion dollar company.

[Eric]

Well, of what she wanted. Which is the only way you can define it.

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Right.

[Eric]

Because there's some people that would look at that and be like, oh, I would feel like I lost this time with my new mom, whatever.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

And then another person would say I wanted to wait to make, you know, a really extravagant life where like when they're 15, I can take a year long vacation with them. You know what I mean?

[Travis]

Like take them to Europe on a.

[Eric]

It's all different. You're always gonna lose something, you know?

[Travis]

Exactly. It's all trade offs, trade offs.

[Eric]

You know, Like I feel like I work a lot now, but I also feel like if there's a day where I'm like, I don't want to do something, I want to do this thing with my daughter. I don't have a boss calling, going like, hey, come into the office.

[Travis]

No, you don't have a choice.

[Eric]

We need you to do this Excel spreadsheet. I hate Excel. I haven't touched Excel. And

[Travis]

Excel specifically I have not touched since like high school.

[Eric]

I had to do a stupid thing with Excel every week. And I hated it.

[Travis]

When you.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Travis]

At your last job. Yep.

[Eric]

Yeah, my last job. Last.

[Travis]

Good for you.

[Eric]

Anyway, I hated it. I just hate Excel. I hate it. It's stupid.

[Travis]

Yeah, I just. Yeah, it's. It's a personal preference thing. And you gotta just engineer your life the way that you want to live your life and define what success is for you. But if success for you is having a half a billion dollar company or billion dollar brand or whatever, then like, yeah, you're probably sacrificing nights, weekends, time with family and friends for at least a period of time in your life.

[Eric]

Well, then where does that fall in? Like when people are saying, hey, you're doing this and you shouldn't do this. You should be focused on if you're telling somebody, oh, yeah, I spent my morning at the gym. They're going, like, it's so important to have those early hours in the business and blah, blah, blah. Or if you say, like, hey, I'm taking Saturday off, I'm going to go hang out with the kids, or I'm not. I'm going to take Saturday, I'm going to go do work stuff and I'm going to ditch those kids, whatever, for the timeframe. Like, when people are speaking into you, going like, hey, you need to prioritize. Xyz. How do you determine which of those voices to listen to? To be like, you're right, I'm getting out of the sauna, I need to be in the business. Or, you're right, I need to get out of the business and spend more time in the sauna. Like, how do you determine which of those voices? Because they're all loud. They're all people saying like, oh, have you exited yet? Well, that's why. Or, oh, you're, you know, whatever it is.

[Travis]

Like, that's why ruthlessly prioritize against your goal. So health is always important. I don't think health should ever be at the bottom of your priority list, but it's probably not always going to be at the top of your priority list. And, like, the only exception to that rule is people in the fitness business. You know what I mean? Like, people who are selling fitness or weight loss or supplements.

[Eric]

Are you into fitness?

[Travis]

Don't even.

[Eric]

Okay, I'm not gonna answer that.

[Travis]

If you're, if you're in that world, then you should probably also be in peak physical condition because that's the product that you're selling.

[Eric]

You would think.

[Travis]

Yeah, you'd think. But in, in other scenarios, it's more like I give the top priority spot to the thing that I. That is the number one goal on the list. And you have to have a number one priority. You can't have. You can't have three things that are equally number one priorities. That's not how this episode of the

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[Travis]

number one priority works. So if number one priority for a couple years is going to be the business, then you probably are going to sacrifice time in the gym and you're probably not gonna, you're probably gonna lose a little bit of muscle, you're probably gonna gain a little bit of fat again. You don't have to be egregious with it. It shouldn't be like my opinion anyways that your health should never be at the bottom of your priority list. So if you're, and I think that's just a lie you're telling yourself. If you're accept, well, yeah, I'm 120 pounds overweight right now, but you know, my business is worth 200 million and you know, once I exit, then I'll focus on my health. I think that that's bullshit because if you're, if you're, if any one of these areas of your life is just completely out of whack, then that suggests to me that you are not placing those things on the priority list at all. It's basically like oh, my priority is my business, and that's all I care about, and that's all I focus on. And I think that you're going to regret that, especially if you have kids, you have a family, and you.

[Eric]

They're.

[Travis]

At some point, they're going to grow up and they're no longer going to be in the house, and they're no longer going to want to spend as

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much time with you.

[Travis]

And the lower volume of time that you spend with them when they want your time, that will be reciprocated in multiples when it's the opposite way, or, you know, around and you all of a sudden are like, oh, I had my $200 million exit, and now I'm ready to spend time with you. And then your kid's 22, you know what I mean? Or they're 18 and in college and hanging out with their friends. That time's gone. Can't do anything to get that. So it's like you still need to find time, even if it's 20 minutes. You know what I mean? Like, you got 20 minutes that you can just put your phone away and focus only on doing something with your kids that your kids want to do. You got meetings that you're going to take. Well, go for a walk while you're taking those meetings and kill two birds with one stone. You know what I mean? Like, you can't. You can't sacrifice all other things for the pursuit of this one priority or else you'll will find yourself in a position, I think, of regret later on. It's like you might have accomplished this main goal, but, you know, your. Your wife left you and your kids don't like you, and you are 150 pounds overweight, and now you're depressed even though you have $200 million in the bank. You know what I mean? Like, we are inherently holistic creatures as human beings. You can't extract one. One portion of your life from the other ones and compartmentalize your way. It's not going to work. But that's not what I'm hearing from her. What I'm hearing from her is more just like, I had this crazy goal, and it required me during this season to work more than most people are ever willing to work. And I got this result from it, which I applaud her for. She obviously put in the work necessary and had a $2 billion exit to show for it. And now she can probably do whatever she wants with her kids whenever she wants to. So now this season calls for finally,

[Eric]

I Have enough money to outsource them full time.

[Travis]

Yeah, exactly.

[Eric]

Less time with my kids. Less time, more poppy.

[Travis]

I'm the CEO of Coca Cola now.

[Eric]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Pepsi.

[Travis]

So it's, it's hard to answer 100% because priorities are going to shift and people are different and everybody has a different goal or outcome that they want to pursue in their life. But to me, it's like you have something that has the number one priority, the number one spot, and then you have things that fill in the gaps in the middle. I don't think that it's healthy to go only the one and never spend any time doing anything else in that period of time. I think that you're going to drive yourself crazy and like I said, I think that you're going to come out on the other end of that with regrets. Especially, especially, especially if you're a parent with young kids because that time is just so precious and it's fleeting and you're never like, literally, you're just never going to get it back. I think I read something the other day. It was like 80% of the total time that you will ever spend with your kids is spent from like 0 to 10, I think is something around that. And so it's like, well, if you're, if that's the decade that you chose to be heads down in the business and you didn't spend any time with your kids, like you missed out on 80% of the total time that you'll ever spend with your. So decide if that's worth it to you. You know what I mean? And if it's not, then it doesn't mean that you can't focus on the business. It might just mean that you have to stay up an hour later than you were staying up before. But one of those hours before your kids go to bed is spent with them. You know what I mean? It doesn't mean that you, like, that's the, that's the, the misconception with quote unquote, work life balance is that it has to be like a, like I spend six hours in the business, therefore I must spend six hours with my kids and six hours working out or whatever. Like, it's, that's not how it is. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like I said, you can. You walks into your daily routine fairly simply. Even in entrepreneurship, like, you got calls in the calendar. Okay, Walk while you take the calls. You got jobs you gotta go to. Walk in between the jobs. Like, and don't over consume calories, bad calories, all the time and just let yourself go. Because at some point your health is gonna demand that you pay attention to it. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's the, that's the, the thing about health. It's like you can decide to neglect it and not pay attention to it until one day, day, you can no longer ignore it until it becomes the number one priority because it has to be because you're about to die. And it's like, well, was that worth the $200 million? Probably not, you know what I mean? Like, because anybody who is near the end would give up 100% of their net worth to be 20 and healthy again. You know what I mean? So just be careful how you're spending your time and ruthlessly prioritize what needs to be prioritized during the season of life that you're in and be okay with that and be comfortable with that. But do your best to be like, okay, that might be number one priority, but number two priority is still my family. Number three priority is still my health. So they have to work their way into my schedule in some degree. To some degree. But it may just mean that I'm not going to the gym seven days a week. I'm going to the gym two days a week. And then the other days I'm just gonna walk a little bit and I'm gonna be intentional about the calories I consume.

[Eric]

Right.

[Travis]

You know what I mean? It might not be like, oh, I'm spending 247 with my kids, but it might be, I spend 30 minutes with them in the morning when I get em ready for school, and I spend 30 minutes with them in the evening before I put em to bed. And I have a full hour of like time dedicated to my kids, you know, like, you still gotta inject those things even if it's not at the top PR priority slot, I think. Right, right.

[Eric]

Well, my top priority is closing out this episode because we just crossed the 21 minute mark, 22 minute mark.

[Travis]

I rounded down again.

[Eric]

I just. This was the only thing I'd like to do.

[Travis]

Well, that's it for this episode of the show. Remember, money only solves your money problems, but it's easier to solve the rest of your problems. We got money in the bank, so let's start there here on the Travis Makes Money podcast. Catch you next time. Peace.