CO-HOST | Make Money Without Tearing Others Down

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Travis Makes Money

Episode: CO-HOST | Make Money Without Tearing Others Down
Host: Travis Chappell
Date: April 10, 2026
Co-Host/Producer: Eric

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Overview

This episode of Travis Makes Money takes a different, lively turn as host Travis Chappell and his producer/co-host Eric dig into the culture of public criticism and negativity online, especially as it intersects with building an audience and brand. Using a clip from Gary Vee as a springboard, they discuss the fine line between constructive criticism and tearing others down purely for content or attention. The conversation balances humor and sincerity, touching on themes of authenticity, personal growth, self-awareness, and the cost of making a living through negativity.

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Key Topics and Discussion Points

1. Kicking Off with Pirate Humor & Setting the Stage

• Timestamps: 00:48–03:30
  • Eric “commits mutiny” by hijacking the episode to discuss a Gary Vee clip Travis was hesitant to cover, using a running pirate joke (“Arg, matey”) for comedic effect.
  • The duo riff on the dynamic of podcast co-hosting and lightly tease each other, setting a collaborative and irreverent tone.
  • “It always hurts the integrity of the impression when I have to compliment myself on the impression afterward.” — Eric (01:06)

2. The Gary Vee Clip – Critiquing the Critics

• Timestamps: 03:34–04:39
  • Eric plays a Gary Vee soundbite wherein Gary rails against people who spend their lives criticizing others instead of building something themselves.
  • Notable Quote (Gary Vee, paraphrased by Eric at 03:57 and directly from clip):
    • “I’ve watched this happen pre-social media...78-year-olds who realize all they did was shit on other people’s dreams. Congrats—hope you enjoyed that run on your only time on earth. What a fucking pathetic point of view.” (04:03–04:39)
  • The co-hosts react with a blend of mock-seriousness and sincerity, noting the emotional punch of Gary's words.

3. Discussing Critique vs. Content Creation

• Timestamps: 04:59–06:05
  • Eric pokes fun at the technical setup of the Gary Vee clip (“Whoever miked Gary up...should be forced to walk the plank.” — 05:00)
  • Travis observes the uncharacteristic suit on Gary Vee in the footage, creating a light, observational aside.
  • Eric reads a comment Travis posted on the original Gary Vee clip:
    • “Anyone who interferes with the personal legend of another thing never will discover his own true.” — Citing The Alchemist (05:54)
  • This sparks a sidebar about the cultural meaning of recommending The Alchemist, poking fun at internet memes labeling it (and, jokingly, the Joe Rogan podcast) as “red flags.”

4. Understanding Criticism’s Role Online

• Timestamps: 07:29–08:09; 14:28–18:25
  • Travis unpacks the internet phenomenon of stitching reaction clips, noting the difference between playful disagreement and targeted campaigns to destroy reputations.
  • “If you just keep blasting the same people and everything about them…and try to upend their lives, I think that’s different than just disagreeing with something.” — Travis (15:17)
  • The conversation moves to internet subcultures built on “exposing” others, referencing accounts dedicated to negative content (like “Baller Busters”) and how algorithms reward polarizing content.
  • Travis distinguishes between meaningful investigative work (e.g., exposing genuine harm or criminality) and petty, ongoing smear campaigns for clicks or clout.

5. The Slippery Slope of Building on Negativity

• Timestamps: 18:25–20:29; 21:44–25:39
  • Travis warns against building a brand solely around criticism:
    • “When it becomes your entire brand, the natural next step...is to search for smoke where it does not exist. Then you start talking shit about people who probably don’t deserve it.” (18:25)
  • He praises Eric’s approach as a creator who “goes the extra mile” to fact-check, source, and present allegations responsibly, using “allegedly” and soliciting comments for fairness.
  • The hosts touch on the cycle of online exposé culture, where those who make a living exposing others often become targets within their own community.
    • “If you build a network full of people who do that...it’s only a matter of time before those people are doing the same thing to you.” — Travis (24:56)
  • There’s a deep reflection on the emotional and social consequences of living a life built on tearing others down.

6. Encouragement to Focus on Personal Growth

• Timestamps: 25:39–26:11
  • Travis closes on a constructive note:
    • “Just focus on your own shit and do something of worth or value rather than talking shit about everybody else who decides to do something of worth or value.” (25:39)
  • The message: Don’t let the allure of cheap viral content replace the satisfaction found in productive, creative, or value-adding work.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “Anyone who interferes with the personal legend of another thing never will discover his own true.”
  — Travis (quoting The Alchemist, 05:54)
• “That is honestly news to me because it seems...not at all like bro culture. The Alchemist is very widely applicable to anybody.”
  — Travis (07:15)
• “There’s a fine line. If you just keep blasting the same people...that’s different than just disagreeing with something.”
  — Travis (15:17)
• “I just don’t vibe with that type of behavior...some things are worth sharing, but most things should not become someone’s life’s work.”
  — Travis (20:29–21:44, condensed)
• “If you build...relationships based on mutual hate for everybody, don’t be surprised when that person starts talking shit about you...”
  — Travis (25:08)
• “If you’re thinking about making a living talking about other people, just understand the additional amount of hate and bad energy that you’re going to bring into your life.”
  — Travis (25:40)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 00:48 – Eric “commits mutiny” with pirate humor
• 03:34 – Play and reaction to Gary Vee’s clip
• 05:54 – Travis quotes The Alchemist in the context of criticism
• 07:15 – Discussion of “red flags” in internet/book culture
• 15:17 – Travis explains distinction between content criticism and personal attacks
• 18:25 – Dangers of building a “call-out” centric brand
• 21:44 – Travis’s take on tabloid-style exposés (Tiger Woods reference)
• 25:08 – Observations on toxic subcultures and online exposé cycles
• 25:39 – Encouragement to focus on self-improvement

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Tone and Language

The conversation maintains a blend of irreverence (pirate impressions, meme commentary) and earnest, self-aware dialogue. While the hosts are comfortable poking fun at each other and internet culture, their core message is one of self-responsibility and positivity. They advocate for using your platform and talents to build something valuable, rather than seeking easy engagement by bringing others down.

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Takeaway Advice

• Focus on your own value-creating work rather than criticizing others for clout.
• Criticism can be constructive—but beware when it becomes a brand or lifestyle.
• Fact-check and view allegations with nuance before passing judgment or joining a pile-on.
• Beware online subcultures built on negativity—they’re unsustainable and often turn on their own.
• You “can’t save your way to your dream life,” but you also can’t tear your way there either.

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Money only solves your money problems—but focusing on positivity, growth, and value will help solve the rest.
— Travis Chappell

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Transcript

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[Travis]

You're listening to the Travis Makes Money podcast presented by gohighlevel.com for a free 30 day trial of the best all in one digital marketing software tool on the planet, just go to gohighlevel.com travis what's going on, everybody? Welcome back to the Travis Makes Money podcast, where it's a mission to help you make more money. Today on the show, my producer Eric is in studio.

[Co-host/Announcer]

What's up, man?

[Argy]

Argy. Today I'm committing a mutiny.

[Eric]

And the reason I say that is. The reason I say that is. That was good.

[Co-host/Announcer]

Sure.

[Eric]

That was a good pirate.

[Travis]

A good pirate.

[Eric]

That was a good pirate. We do good pirates here.

[Travis]

Just pat yourself on the back.

[Eric]

So it always hurts the integrity of the impression when I have to compliment myself on the impression afterward.

[Travis]

That is the nature of impressions.

[Eric]

But I'm.

[Argy]

Arg, matey.

[Eric]

I'm committing a mutiny because you said you don't want to react to this clip on the show because it's not really related to money. But I think it's relevant, especially given what we just talked about with Cody Sanchez and someone like some guy calling her out who is obviously just jealous of the audience. Or you've talked in the past about your very personal beef with baller busters and how you like. We're going hard in the paint with them and being very aggressive with them. And then they blocked you rightfully. And then you decided to go on a smear campaign against them. Just kidding. That's not true.

[Travis]

All of this is not true.

[Eric]

That's not true. But. But in the nature of people criticizing others.

[Travis]

Okay.

[Eric]

You know. And do you remember the clip I'm talking about?

[Travis]

I don't.

[Eric]

Okay.

[Travis]

But I will when you play it.

[Eric]

So let me say this in pirate terms for those.

[Travis]

You're going to keep setting it up.

[Argy]

Arg. I'm committing a mutiny. I'm taking over this vessel of a podcast and I'm going to. We're going to talk about something other than buccaneers today or shillings further and gold. We're going to stop talking about gold coins.

[Eric]

Talk about about. Talk about Something else just moved into

[Travis]

like a southern preacher.

[Eric]

Ah, something else. Something else.

[Argy]

Eric me, I be talking of the legend of Gary Vee.

[Travis]

Okay.

[Argy]

Who vaynered in my chalks today?

[Eric]

All right, you ready? Here's a clip of Gary Vee. Let's watch it.

[Travis]

Okay.

[Eric]

Right. Ahoy, Avasti Schwabs. Okay, okay.

[Travis]

All right.

[Eric]

You know how much. Wait, this is a money question.

[Travis]

Okay.

[Eric]

You know how much pirates charge to do piercings? How much a buccaneer. Right. Thanks, guys.

[Travis]

Who are you thanking?

[Eric]

The audience for sticking with us. Thank you. Thank you guys so much for doing that.

[Travis]

And that's the audience right now.

[Eric]

Arg.

[Argy]

We're near land. I hear crickets.

[Travis]

Why would I have to be on land? I know.

[Argy]

Are there crickets on boats?

[Eric]

Are there crickets on boats?

[Travis]

If they get on the boat, then yeah.

[Argy]

Well, cover me in barnacles and call me guy with barnacles on him.

[Travis]

Man, I'm still waiting for this clip. All right, are we going to watch it?

[Argy]

I. It's a clip of Gary Vee.

[Eric]

Here we go. Right? Here we go. Ready? Here we go.

[Travis]

Still.

[Jordan Peterson Impersonator]

Did we all decide that we were God? People are literally walking around earth like they think they're.

[Eric]

He's already mad. If you're listening, Travis is already mad because he said I didn't want to talk about this clip on the show. You didn't say that. Really?

[Travis]

That clearly I didn't say it.

[Eric]

You just said probably not. Yeah, it's not money related, but we can turn it.

[Argy]

But that's why there's a mutiny about.

[Eric]

Okay, here we go.

[Jordan Peterson Impersonator]

Turn the end all be all. And I need to spread it near and wide on everyone's comment. I'm not trying to impose my will on people. I'm just putting out what I believe and like let chips fall. Other people are going around and just on things and they think they're doing something. They're not doing anything. They're reacting to other people's doing and they think the shitting on it is their contribution. They're doing nothing. I've watched this happen pre social media. I had a family of two very opposites. People are about to get to 78 year olds and realize they did nothing in their life besides shit on other people's dreams. That's great. Congrats. Hope you enjoyed that run on your only time on earth. What a fucking pathetic point of view. When the fuck did we all.

[Eric]

Can I shit on something about Gary right now?

[Travis]

Do you see my comment on there?

[Eric]

Wait.

[Travis]

I feel like I commented on that one.

[Eric]

Wait, hold on.

[Argy]

You forget this is a mutiny and I'm in charge. I'm the captain now.

[Eric]

No, wait, wait. Hold on.

[Travis]

I'm just going to turn your track down.

[Eric]

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Can I shit on something about this clip? In the spirit of this clip? Can I shit all over it?

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Whoever miked Gary up for this clip.

[Travis]

Oh, it's got that little.

[Argy]

Should be forced to walk the plank.

[Eric]

Listen to this. Listen to this. They put a lapel rubbing on his shirt. First of all, you don't put a lapel on Gary Vee. Yeah, because Gary Vee's gonna move around.

[Travis]

Also, he is uncharacteristically in a suit in this clip.

[Eric]

Yeah, I don't know why is that a funeral? It's like I keep recording podcasts even at a funeral. That was Jordan Peterson impersonating Gary V. Hello, Peterson esque. Ah, great content at the funeral. I'm a parrot. All right, so anyway. So anyway, so he said this. You could pretty much make out everything he said in addition to the rustling of the coat, but Travis Chappelle commented, anyone who interferes with the personal legend of another thing never will this. Hold on. Read this slower.

[Travis]

Try.

[Eric]

I don't read very good. As Jordan Peterson's a pirate. I don't know what's happening.

[Travis]

Read very well.

[Eric]

Anyone who interferes with the personal legend of another thing never will discover his own true. Why talk back? Why talk backwards?

[Travis]

Well, that was from the alchemist.

[Argy]

I know.

[Eric]

Why do you say it like that? You know, I read. I don't know anything about the Alchemist. And I know you're going to say, shoot, it's a good book. But I will say I'm on an app called Fable, which is like a book talk type app. It's like Goodreads. It's like Goodreads, but if you don't want to give money to Jeff Bezos.

[Travis]

Yeah, it's a book.

[Eric]

More than you have to.

[Travis]

A book talk type app.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Travis]

Yeah. Well said.

[Eric]

But anyway, I will say a lot of, like, book reading. Like, gals.

[Travis]

Gals.

[Eric]

Gals always say, like, guys that, like the alchemist, it's a big red flag. Do you know why that is?

[Travis]

I don't know why that is.

[Eric]

You seem like the type.

[Travis]

Do you know the answer to that?

[Eric]

No, I'm saying I don't know anything about the book. I just know, like, people go like, guy, red flag starter pack. And it'll be like, listens to Joe Rogan. And then like the alcohol. But no, not Joe Rogan. You'd brought that up. But yes. Yeah, well, Joe Rogan's become a red flag.

[Travis]

I've seen.

[Eric]

I will say, yeah. When someone's like, I love the Joe Rogan experience. I do side eye.

[Travis]

Then I'm like, you're my bro.

[Eric]

Okay. So anyway, so. But no, I. It'll be like the Alchemist is one of those things.

[Travis]

I don't. I have no idea.

[Eric]

And I don't know why it is.

[Travis]

That is honestly news to me because it seems. That's very strange.

[Eric]

Is it?

[Travis]

That is not at all like, bro culture. Like, the Alchemist is very widely applicable to anybody.

[Eric]

I was gonna ask because then you started quoting it and I felt scared to ask. I was like, I don't. I don't. I don't know anything about it. I truly don't. I'm not setting you up. I just always am.

[Travis]

Like, I've never heard that. That. That is. That is a surprise to me. That's sort of the dangerous thing about just lumping everybody into the same bucket. It's like anybody who. About personal development or like, being a better man is automatically put into this. This boat. Can I say this of like the manosphere? And it's like, well, that's completely unfair and a wild thing to say.

[Eric]

Can I say this?

[Travis]

Sure. It's a podcast.

[Eric]

So the Alchemist, me. You reading the Alchemist is not a red flag. The Alchemist is not a red flag about you.

[Travis]

Okay.

[Eric]

But you recommending a book to me is a red flag about the book. Oh, got you, bro.

[Travis]

I guess.

[Eric]

I'm just kidding. You actually recommended some good books?

[Travis]

Yeah, I read a good selection of books.

[Eric]

I've recommended good books to you.

[Travis]

That's true.

[Eric]

You've recommended good books to me. Jackie recommended really good.

[Travis]

Because I don't.

[Eric]

To both of us.

[Travis]

I don't.

[Co-host/Announcer]

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[Travis]

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[Travis]

just recommend. I don't, I don't recommend books that I like to you. I recommend books that I think you would like to you.

[Eric]

Can I. You know what? That is a. That is a sweet special kind of friendship, isn't it? Where you know, where, where you know I like. Okay. Because like noob relationship is. I like this thing. Let me send it to this person.

[Travis]

Right.

[Eric]

For deep, deep Jonathan David type relationship like we have is is I, I like this or even deeper. I kind of like this. But I know someone else will really like this.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

That's like a Jonathan. We have like a Jonathan David.

[Travis]

Totally. Yeah.

[Eric]

You ever think about that?

[Travis]

Besties for the.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Travis]

Kind of similar to the fact that like one of our dads was the king and then one of us was supplanted by the other one who became king.

[Eric]

I don't know.

[Travis]

And broke the lineage and stole the crown.

[Eric]

Anyone who was still listening.

[Travis]

Very similar to Jonathan Davis.

[Eric]

Okay, so then you said. Very well said, Gary V. Too many people focus on just interfering with other people's lives than building their own. Yeah, that sounds like something. Some with a chip on their shoulder for being blocked by ballerblasters, but bus Baller blusters, Baller Busters would say, I'm just kidding. Okay, well, let's talk about this real quick, because this is a con, okay. We've done this, okay. Where. Where you react to something that's, like, asinine or that you disagree with, or it's just polarizing. And. And for content in particular, it'll be like, you'll stitch a clip with somebody and be like, that's the worst advice I've ever heard. And then you'll give, like, your take. Or you'll kind of, like, laugh at, like, say, like, we've done it with, like, Andy Elliott, where it. This is ridiculous. We talk about it.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

And obviously, like, there's ways to do that that's useful. Like, Gary Vee will say, like, this is dumb as. And do this instead. But then there's also extreme examples. Like, I know you've. Like, I said, I. I'm half joking because you didn't really beef with Baller Busters, really, at all. They just kind of blocked you because they perceived potential beef in the future, I think.

[Co-host/Announcer]

Exactly.

[Eric]

But, like, there's obviously accounts that are completely dedicated to just, like, we're going to talk about bad things people do. You know, I'm sure some people have podcasts where they do that a lot, and not me. Yeah. What do you think? Like, do you think there's ever a place for that? Do you think that, like, where do you draw that line of, like, what's helpful to criticize versus, like, what is just you being like. Like the video we watched where someone's like, you know, someone does something better than them and they, like, shit on them to make themselves bigger, you know, like, what's your take on all this?

[Travis]

I think there's a fine line. And I think that if you just keep blasting the same people and everything about them and calling them terrible and trying to upend their lives, I think that's different than just disagreeing with something that somebody said, you know, like even that, like, the Jesse Waters clip that we put out, it's like, the comments, it's always funny to me, like, when clips go viral because different things, like, different metrics perform better based on the clip. You know what I mean? So, like, we had one clip go viral with Pace Morbi that brought in, like, 10,000 followers. It was just like, for whatever reason, it brought, like, the follower count from that one video outpaced videos. Even that got a 5 or 10x of viewership. And then sometimes it'll be like, oh, the shares and saves are off the charts. And sometimes it's the likes. Yeah, but on that Jesse Walters clip, it was the comments where it was like, every time you log back into the app, it's like you got six new likes and 182 new comments, you know? But even like a clip like that, it was not. I was not. I was not saying, like, what a horrible human being and everything about him is terrible. It was just like, oh, this, this is a funny gaffe. Like, oh, he definitely messed that up. He was out of touch on this particular scenario. You know what I mean? It wasn't for the purpose of, like, shitting on this human being as a person. Even though a lot of the comments are doing that. And, And. And then that's not what my entire brand is like. I don't just build a brand based on criticizing other people. That's the part that. That's what I feel is.

[Co-host/Announcer]

Is just strange behavior.

[Travis]

Like, baby, I just don't. I don't vibe with that. Like, when your entire existence is just to now with your content, it's different because the people that you're talking about have done terribly egregious things and are being enabled to continue doing these types. Like, we're talking about actual child abuse here. That's different than just like, this person has an opinion about sales that I disagree with. You know what I mean? Like, that those are two very different contexts. So it's not like I'm saying that those channels should never exist or that people shouldn't do those things, but it

[Eric]

would be awkward if you were.

[Travis]

Yeah, I actually hate everything that you do. Eric.

[Eric]

I was talking to a guy that does a podcast today, actually, and. And he does a podcast for people who are. He was leading the conversation at first, and he's like, I do a podcast where I talk to people who are recently incarcerated and they're out and they're like, rebuilding their life and they're like a year out of prison and, like, what it looks like. Which I was. I said was a very cool concept for a show. But then I said, but then in my head, I was like, what's his take on pedophiles coming out of prison? But anyway, I was sharing my show and then we were kind of talking and I was like, it's kind of. It's kind of the one category that even the most hardened criminal Is like, yeah, that's disgusting. Yeah, those guys are the worst exact. You know, I was like, even, Even guys are like, I'm in prison for murder.

[Travis]

It's like, I might have killed somebody.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Travis]

Like, I would never touch a kid.

[Eric]

I was, yeah, I'm in prison for murder. That guy's disgusting.

[Travis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

You know, and it's like, it's just

[Travis]

something that we can all agree on.

[Eric]

Yeah. So anyway, so, yeah. So obviously that's a little bit different, but it is different than people that would go like, Andy Elliott should die. Yeah.

[Travis]

A horrible death because he sold a $10,000 coaching program or something. Like, my thing is, again, when it becomes your entire brand to expose people, the natural next step is to then, when you are dry on content, is to then go search for smoke where it does not exist. And then you start talking shit about people who probably don't deserve to get lumped into the same conversation as the people who maybe deserved to be spoken out against or something like that. Which is what I've told you is something I've always appreciated about what you've done, is that you don't just take one person's word for it. Like, you do the additional work of fact checking and talking to an attorney and then talking to the local courthouse or pulling files from the arrest records and like, trying to verify information and get comments from other people and try to hear the other side of the story. And then if you don't, if they don't respond, you'll put that in the post to say, like, reached out to for comments but they did not respond. And then you present the information as facts rather than, here's my opinion about how horrible this person is. Or like, you, you, you'll use the word allegedly instead of presenting it as fact when it has not been proven in a court of law. It's like, those are just like, if you're going to do those things, you owe it to the person that you are defaming and to your audience to provide the best, most factual, high quality information that you can. And I just find that a lot of people who end up going down that rabbit hole do it for the views because they know it's going to drum up controversy and that they're going to get a bunch of people barking in the comments and like, that stuff. I feel, I just, I feel gross when after I read through some of that stuff, if that makes sense. And I just don't like what Gary. Gary Vee said is like, you're going to get to 70 and 80 and then realize you used your one shot at life to basically just on everybody else's dreams. And it's like, that is not a position that I ever want to be in. And to me, it's also like, well, some of these people, you know, especially the ones that are like, faceless accounts like that to me is, is I, I think silly. It's goofy.

[Eric]

Nine times out of ten.

[Travis]

There are exceptions, but sure, there's some, there's some exceptions, but if you're going to come out and openly talk, it's like, well, we deserve to know who you are. You know, like you, like you should. You should also be opening yourself up to that type of scrutiny if you're going to treat other people's lives with that type of scrutiny.

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[Travis]

You know, it's to me like the, like the example of, of exposing Tiger Woods. You know, like when I watched that doc the very first time that somebody blew the whistle on him having relationships with all these other girls, it was somebody that like, saw him leaving a parking lot somewhere and there's some journalist somewhere and they basically like followed him for the entire day into this. Finally a random parking lot where he was hooking up with this chick and then like captured it and then went and reported. And it's like that type of stuff to me is just weird behavior. It's like again, he wasn't doing anything illegal or criminal. He wasn't. He wasn't messing with kids. There was nothing like. And again does not mean that I approve of his behavior, but it also just feels weird to me that like you needed notoriety so much that you wanted to destroy somebody else's life for the sake of like, bolstering your career. It's just, it's weird behavior to me. I just don't, I don't vibe with that type of behavior. And I, and I think, I think that in the future people like that are going to regret it. And then to me again, it's like, you better hope that you never mess up. You better never make a mistake. Because if you're, if you're crucifying every person that you see make a mistake or not even make a mistake, they become the, the problem is they end up becoming the judge, jury and executioner where they find the thing that makes them upset because that person's living their life the way, in a way that they do not condone. And then they market that as though it is a moral failure or it doesn't, it doesn't meet the standards that they choose to live their lives by. Therefore they're bad, they're evil, and they deserve to be canceled and no, and deserve to make no money for the rest of their lives. And like I said, it's just like, I just don't, I don't, I don't vibe with that type of behavior. And I think over a long enough period of time that those people will also feel like that to a certain degree or they'll just buy in further because they can't, you know, handle the fact that they've been taking the last 20 years to basically go on a bunch of other people. So, yeah, focus on more. Like just go focus on the things that you're doing instead of focusing on what everybody else is doing and then trying to find reasons to, on those people because you know, it's going get views and you can monetize it. Like I said, it's just, I don't know, I, I, I just don't, I don't vibe with that type of behavior at all. It's like some, some things are worth sharing, some things are worth blowing the whistle about. I think that most things, barring what you cover on your show, should not. Like, they just don't, they don't deserve the attention that you're giving it just because you think it's a violation of what you define as morality or whatever. So, and again, you better hope you never mess up because if you are doing all of that to all these other people and then you mess up one day, like you're going to feel, I've, we've seen that almost like in siloed examples of even this world that I was talking about, the kind of ballet buster world where I've seen people who were engaged fully in that community and then like one person like does business with somebody else in that community and then that person starts talking about that other person because they didn't meet their expectations. And then that person's basically getting like. My thing is like you're, if you, if you build a network full of people who do that to other people for a living, then it's only a matter of time before those people are doing the same thing to you for something that was like just a bad moment that you had or something that you did not intend. Like a result happens on something you didn't intend for that result to happen. And then you start getting crucified by these people who are your so called friends. And it's like this just weird, like

[Co-host/Announcer]

you guys kind of all hate.

[Travis]

Like you're building a relationship based on all this mutual hate for everybody. And then, and you're surprised when that person starts talking shit about you because your relationship didn't go perfectly. Like you're all looking for reasons to expose each other for things that don't even deserve to be exposed. It's just such a weird thing. And I don't, yeah, I don't, I don't vibe with that. Yeah, just focus on your own shit and do something of worth or value rather than talking shit about everybody else who decides to do something of worth or value.

[Eric]

That's right, my guy.

[Travis]

So, yeah, if you're, if you're listening, you know, know, be careful about the people that you follow and, and you know, try to collect all the evidence that you can. But if you're trying, if you're thinking about making a living talking about other people, like, just understand the additional amount of hate and bad energy that you're going to bring into your life. And at the end of the day you probably will come to the conclusion that it's not worth it. So that's it for this episode of the show. Remember, money only solves your money problems, but it's easier to solve the rest of your problems. Money in the bank. So let's start there here on the Travis Makes Money podcast. Thanks for tuning in. Catch. Next time.

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