INTERVIEW | Make Money by Building a Personal Brand That Creates Opportunities with Dana Flanagan

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Travis Makes Money

Episode: INTERVIEW | Make Money by Building a Personal Brand That Creates Opportunities with Dana Flanagan
Host: Travis Chappell
Guest: Dana Flanagan
Date: July 26, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on building a personal brand as a path to greater opportunities and income. Host Travis Chappell interviews Dana Flanagan, a real estate executive and branding strategist, about her entrepreneurial journey, how to succeed in real estate, the power of authenticity in personal branding, and actionable strategies for leveraging social media. Dana shares candid lessons from her own path—both wins and setbacks—and offers clear, practical advice for anyone looking to transform their expertise into influence and scalable business growth.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Dana’s Early Entrepreneurial Drive

• Babysitting Business Origins

  • Dana’s first “big” entrepreneurial moment was running a thriving babysitting business at age 12–14, canvassing new developments and managing so many clients her dad had to help.
  • A wealthy client paid her $500 a week just to swim with her child for a summer.
    • Notable Quote:

      “I thought $500 to be able to just swim in a pool… that was a really big thing, and that was the start of my entrepreneurial journey.” — Dana (03:06)

• Lesson Learned:

  • Early realization: Solve problems for wealthy clients for better pay and easier experiences.
    • Travis:

      “We learned a really important lesson early on, which is to solve problems for rich people…” (03:14)

2. Transition from Employment to Self-Employment

• Education & Early Career:
  • Left college after one year due to lack of structure, entered the corporate world (hotels), then got a real estate license at age 19.
  • Quit stable job at 23–24 after her real estate business began flourishing.
    • Dana:

      “I quit my job at 24… I doubled my income that year and just never looked back.” (06:05)

3. Succeeding in Real Estate

• Advice for New Agents:

  • Success depends primarily on work ethic, determination, and consistent self-promotion.
  • The vast majority of agents (74%) don’t close a single deal in a year; the difference is proactive prospecting and visibility.
    • Dana:

      “It depends on how hard a worker are you, how badly do you want it… you have to build that presence, that framework, and it will happen. But don’t set your expectations where it’s going to happen in three months.” (06:40, 07:36)

• Industry Outlook:

  • Opportunity remains strong for those willing to put in the work and ignore negativity from naysayers.
    • Dana:

      “There’s no better time than now. Make today your day one with whatever it is that you’re doing and just get started.” (07:50)

• The Power of Social Circles:

  • Your mindset is shaped by who you surround yourself with—winners focus on growth and opportunity, not complaints.
    • Dana:

      “If you surround yourself with rich people, they don’t talk like that… They’re talking about high-level, they’re having high-level conversations…” (08:17)

4. Lead Generation & Consistency

• Modern Lead Generation:
  • Early success driven by leveraging new (at the time) social media channels, rather than expensive advertising.
  • The key: Consistency in posting and outreach—use auto-scheduling if needed.
    • Dana:

      “If you’re not actively prospecting in the beginning… At first, it’s going to take some work. You build that foundation, that framework, and it will happen.” (11:10, 12:01)

5. Evolving into Brand Authority & Media Strategist

• Pivot to Branding:
  • Built a “white glove” service for family offices and high-net-worth clients, evolving to global connections, private equity, and media.
  • Frustration with being exploited by media companies led to forming her own firm, bringing together a trustworthy team of experienced collaborators.
    • Dana:

      “It really took us kind of getting screwed over a few times for me to say enough is enough. And I created my own firm.” (14:31)

6. The Meaning and Power of Personal Brand

• Definition and Importance:

  • Personal brand is about true authenticity—it’s who you are, what you do, who you help, and how you help.

    • Dana:

      “A personal brand to me means true authenticity of who you are, what you do, who you help, and how you help someone.” (15:47)

  • Vital to speak clearly to a niche audience so they feel you are addressing them personally.

  • Consistency and time investment are crucial; trust isn’t built overnight.

7. Dana’s Four Pillars of Personal Branding

1. Who are you?
2. What do you do?
3. Who do you help?
4. How do you help them?

• Craft a simple, direct brand message—like an elevator pitch—across all platforms.
  • Dana:

    “They want to build a personal brand but they don’t even know the basics. Which are the four pillars that I teach on…” (16:44) “In the end, people just want to know, what’s in it for me?… You can go on and on about how great your business is and no one cares, right? They just want to know what does this help me with?” (17:58)

8. Staying Simple & Connecting with People

• Don’t Overcomplicate:

  • Success comes from clear, simple messaging and genuine connections, not fancy websites or complicated marketing systems.

    • Notable Quote:

      “People overcomplicate business all the time… just simplified, we’re just talking to people and we need to kind of bring it back…” (21:31)

  • Face-to-face and authentic connections are still key—even in the digital world.

9. Social Media Strategy: Start Small & Stay Focused

• Pick One Channel:

  • Don’t get overwhelmed: focus on one primary platform initially.

  • Dana’s main platforms: Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn; TikTok for specific niches.

    • Dana:

      “Pick one, pick one and work it. You know, pick what works for you.” (22:55)

  • LinkedIn brings powerful long-term opportunities but requires a different, sustained approach.

  • Dana generated substantial real estate business—12 homes in a year—via Facebook by treating it like a business (24:14).

• Content Repurposing:

  • Start with your core audience, but cross-posting across platforms is fine—sometimes unexpected virality can happen.
    • Travis:

      “The beautiful thing is that a lot of these platforms now are easily aggregated for cross-posting… We got like two and a half million LinkedIn impressions from a couple videos…” (25:38)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Early Business Lesson:

  “We learned a really important lesson early on, which is to solve problems for rich people…”
  — Travis (03:14)

• On Building Expertise:

  “It all depends on… how badly do you want it?”
  — Dana (06:40)

• On Mindset & Success:

  “If you surround yourself with rich people, they don’t talk like that… They’re talking about growth, opportunity, and goals.”
  — Dana (08:17)

• On Personal Branding:

  “A personal brand to me means true authenticity of who you are, what you do, who you help, and how you help someone.”
  — Dana (15:47)

• Advice on Starting with Social Media:

  “Pick one, pick one and work it. You know, pick what works for you.”
  — Dana (22:55)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Early entrepreneurial spark & lesson: 02:15–03:14
• Quitting corporate job for real estate: 05:49–06:25
• Why most new agents fail and keys to success: 06:40–07:45
• Mindset, opportunity, and surrounding yourself with the right people: 07:50–09:12
• Lead generation and consistency strategy: 11:10–12:19
• From real estate to media & branding, launching own firm: 12:35–15:43
• Dana’s definition of personal brand & the four pillars: 15:47–18:34
• Overcomplicating business & focusing on connection: 21:31–22:32
• Social media focus: picking platforms & strategic highlights: 22:55–24:30

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How to Connect with Dana Flanagan

• Website: danaflanagan.com
• Social Media: All platforms @DanaFlanagan

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Closing Thought from Travis

“Money only solves your money problems, but it’s easier to solve the rest of your problems when you’ve got some money in the bank, so let’s start there.” (26:41)

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This episode offers a dynamic, real-world look at the intersection of entrepreneurship, personal branding, and leveraging digital platforms—infused with authenticity, actionable strategies, and encouragement to start where you are.

Transcript

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[B]

You're listening to the Travis Makes Money podcast.

[A]

What's going on, everybody?

[B]

Welcome back to the Travis Makes Money podcast where it's a mission to help you make more money. On this episode of the show, I have a new friend, Dana Flanagan. She's a real estate executive, entrepreneur and the authority architect strategist who helps real estate professionals, entrepreneurs and business leaders turn their expertise into influence, their influence and opportunity and their businesses into scalable brands. Dana, what's up? Welcome to the show.

[C]

Thanks so much for having me. It's a pleasure to be here.

[B]

So you've touched a lot of areas of entrepreneurship and I'm excited to get into that part of the conversation. But first, let's go back to the very beginning here. Tell me the first time, Dana, that you ever, first time you ever made a dollar that was surprising or shocking or exciting to you?

[C]

Yeah, so I actually, you know, I started my entrepreneurial journey when I was really little. Started a babysitting business and really created a business out of it when I was about 12. And I got so many customers, my dad had to help me manage everything. And I canvassed a new development where they built all these homes, and it was all young families, and there was no older children of babysitter age. So it blew up really quickly. And I had a wealthy client that paid me. I think she paid me $500 a week to swim with her kid at the pool. And so I was like, I think at that time, I was probably about 13 or 14. And she said, you can go get lunch. I just want to hang with my girlfriend, so just entertain my daughter. You can go inside and get whatever you want. And it was like the best summer job. Cause I got to swim in a pool the whole summer.

[B]

No kidding.

[C]

And I thought $500 to be able to just swim in a pool. And so that was. That was a really big thing, and that was the start of my entrepreneurial journey.

[B]

We learned a really important lesson early on, which is to solve problems for rich people, because. Yeah, right. Yeah, that's absolutely. I mean, because, I mean, like I said, you could do the same exact job for a different person, and they'll pay you $50 a week, you know what I mean? And then complain about it and then wonder what you're doing with every second of your time, and send you 42 text check ins, you know what I mean?

[C]

So true.

[B]

The rich ones just go like, oh, yeah, here's the money. Do your thing and let me know when everything's good, you know?

[C]

So true. So much easier sometimes.

[B]

Yeah, no kidding. What. What did your parents do?

[C]

My mom was a nurse for 44 years at the same job that she had got right out of college. And my dad dabbled in some things. He was a master control for a TV station in Connecticut, so he has a broadcasting degree. But he decided to go into property management, real estate. And I think ultimately to stay home with us while my mom worked and did, you know, had some buildings and things like that. So he did a few different things in the real estate space, but mostly just owned buildings and. And was kind of a landlord, but he was home all the time. So my, you know, people would be like, does your dad work? So that's what got me into, you know, into real estate and entrepreneurship. But I think it's. It's hard, you know, when you have a parent who. It's like, Go to college, get a job, graduate, go into that field and it's, you know, and my fiance is the same way. His parents don't understand when he wanted to get into entrepreneurship, they just thought, oh my gosh, what are you doing? Right. So it's hard where you come from. Like, my mom was Polish and her parents were from, my grandmother was from Poland. And so you just don't do those type of things. Right. So it's kind of a hard, a hard thing to break when you want to be like the first big entrepreneur.

[B]

Yeah. Did you end up going to school for anything?

[C]

I went to school for a year. It wasn't for me. I had lost all the structure that I had growing up. I played competitive basketball and did a lot of sports. So my schedule was, especially with having a stay at home. Dad was very structured and I got to college and I was like, wow, I have nobody telling me what to do. So that was, didn't last too long. I was there for a year. I came home, got a, got a corporate job in a hotel, got promoted very quickly and I really liked being a businesswoman. And so I started getting my real estate license when I was about 19 and did some work in a real estate office and just really kind of worked my way in the corporate world to obviously make money while I was building my real estate business at such a young age and kind of gaining that, getting my feet wet, getting the trust from people.

[B]

How long before you were full time in real estate?

[C]

I quit my job at 24. Okay, yeah, 23, 24. I was actually an assistant general manager of a hotel. So I worked my way, you know, up through the hotel industry and I liked it. But it's just one of those jobs where if you really want to get a high paying and it's still a job, right. You have to be relocatable. And I was in Connecticut at the time and Connecticut just isn't really like a destination. So the hotel industry there isn't really that exciting. So yeah, when I quit my job, it was really scary, but I had a bunch of closings and I was like, this is what I'm going to do. And I doubled my income that year and just never, you know, never looked back. So.

[B]

Yeah, what, what do you recommend for people who are eyeballing the real estate industry in terms of your first one to three years? What, what, what type of workload can they expect? What type of income can they expect? When does it really start taking off, stuff like that?

[C]

Well, it all depends on Them, right. It all depends on them. It depends on how hard of a worker are you, you know, how badly do you want it? Because a lot of people get into real estate. I mean, 74% of all the Realtors last year didn't close one transaction. So they get into the business because they like houses or they think it looks fun, or they think it's flexible, which it is. But you have to do the work. You have to get your name out there, you have to have that exposure. You have to get in front of people and you have to let people know how you can help them. And if you're not actively prospecting in the beginning, if you want to be the person that everybody calls all the. Which I was, I was the number one agent in my town. But it took a while to get there. It wasn't like that the first or the second or the third year. It took some time to build that. That presence in town and in my area so that people would just call me. And towards the end of my career, it was so much easier because my phone just rang. People would, old clients, you know, people that had saw my sign or they saw my face on a sign would call me. And it took a long time to. To build that presence. And so it's going to take some work. And you build that foundation, that framework, and it will happen. But don't set your expectations where it's going to happen in three months.

[B]

Do you still believe that the opportunity right now is really good for people?

[C]

I do, yeah. I do. Because I think a lot of people, it's. It's sort of cyclical, right? Like a lot of people are. You've got people that are just jumping in and they're really hungry, and then you've got people that are crushing it, just like anything. And then you've got people that are like, this doesn't work and they're getting out of it, or there's no business or there's no leads. And you always have the people at those types of people in any industry. So I think there's no better time than now. Make today your day. One with whatever it is that you're doing and just get started. And this goes for any industry. I mean, I. I do things in network marketing. I. I have my own business. You have to just get started and not worry about all the noise that's out there, because there. It depends who you're talking to, right? Like, who are you surrounding yourself with? Because you were talking earlier in the episode, you know, surrounding yourself with rich people. Well, if you surround yourself with rich people, they don't talk like that, right? They, they've gone through some of the worst stories possible to get where they are and they're not complaining, right? They always are. Are talking about high level, they're having high level conversations and they're talking about growth, opportunity and goals. It depends who you're hanging out with. If you're hanging out with people that are complaining that the prices are too high, oh my gosh, did you see the gas prices today? I don't, I don't think about any of that because I got to get gas anyway, regardless of the price is $2 a gallon or $4 a gallon. So I'm not going to focus on that. I'm just going to focus on what I can do to move my business forward to get more clients. They're going to pay me for my expertise.

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What do you think are some of the mistakes that these agents are making that are not doing any deals? And specifically when it comes to lead generation, like what's working today? Are you, like when you started, did you, were you doing cold call where you're doing billboards? Like how exactly did you get clients? Does that still work today? What do you recommend to people who are in it today?

[C]

Yeah, when I started I didn't really have a lot of money for advertising. So what I started doing because this was back in like 2000, you know, five or six maybe or. And I use social media because social media, you know, Facebook was somewhat new and, and I don't even think Instagram was out yet. But I started utilizing social media to get my face out there and blast what I did and who I was in the areas I serviced, all over social media, which to this day I still use social media for a major driver to all of my businesses. I think that visibility, not getting in front of the right people, not being consistent, you have to be consistent in order to grow your business. And that means showing up every single day, even on the days you don't want to. If you're going on vacation and you're like, oh, how am I going to post every single day? Set them up on a schedule to post automatically while you're gone. But you have to be consistent and set those, those parameters and have those systems in place in order to drive that success. So I think a lot of agents just sort of, you know, are sort of just free willing in it out there and they don't really have any systems in place so they struggle because they don't know which direction they're going in each day.

[B]

What, how long were you in the real estate space full time?

[C]

Oh, I still am. Yeah. So 25 years.

[B]

Okay, got it, got it. 25 years in real estate. And then at what point did the personal branding sort of start taking more of a central role in your career?

[C]

Yeah, so, you know, through my real estate career, towards the latter part of my career, I got involved in, I created a white glove service for family offices and high net worth individuals where I helped them with their, their purchases and their sales as more of like a referral agent all around the world. And I also helped with other things like private jet referrals, yachts, things like that. And so I met a lot of people that were, that were wealthy and that were asking for funding for hotels and resorts and developments and that sort of thing. So I kind of just sort of fell into the private equity venture capital space and started helping people in that area as well. Just be it. I'm always business development, always being a connector, and that led me to some really great roles in real estate. The branding came along when I started speaking a lot on social media and how to show up and how to create visibility, and I'm a keynote speaker. Those are my topics now. Social media branding and confidence and how to be visible online. And I created a business around it because I was doing some TV media. I was doing other things that were helping position other leaders and other businesses in their nature, in their business, in the forefront, like where they wanted to be. And people were paying me for coaching. And then I actually started working for a media company that asked me to come do all their business development. They flew us out to Hawaii. They had a celebrity chef there. They did all sorts of things. And I've done this several times and they never paid us and they screwed a lot of people. And for me, it was my time. But for a couple people, they put the entire trip on their credit card to the tune of like 40, $50,000 and they never got paid back. So that has happened to me several times with funding and people saying they're going to pay me or having a contract, and they still, for some reason, they didn't get their funding or they don't have the funds or whatever their issue was. It's happened too many times. And so I took all of these, like I'm going to say, different vendors that would come together to make these TV shows and these events. We decided to come together and I created the firm and now they're all part of my firm because we were just tired of getting screwed over by people and, and giving our expertise and our IP to people and our, you know, our connections and having them just take that and run with it. So it really took us kind of getting screwed over a few times for me to say enough is enough. And I created my own firm. It kind of went from a private coaching business where I just coached realtors initially, then I coached business owners. And now I really help with companies and large brands and I help them with their media exposure. We do. We can do a full TV show. I mean, we can do a full series if they want. So it's been fun. We've been doing some work for Ritz Carlton. So it's, it's, it's an exciting place to be. I've Kind of dabbled in that, like, celebrity athlete, golf tournament promotion events, that kind of thing for a while. So it's been, it's been a fun, you know, it's fun to do something else. You know, I've done real estate for so long, it's fun to be Dana, not the realtor. Right. You know, and, and, and I'm not afraid to try something new. And I've tried things and they haven't worked. And, you know, that's okay, too.

[B]

What does a personal brand mean to you these days?

[C]

A personal brand to me means true authenticity of who you are, what you do, who you help, and how you help someone. And I think that that's really important to stay true to who you are, because there's a lot of noise out there. And if, if you're, if you know who you help and who you're speaking to, and that ideal audience that you should be talking to, that audience should feel like you're speaking directly to them. Whether they're watching your reels online, whether they're watching you in a video, whether they're watching you on stage, they should feel something when you speak. And so if you're staying true to your brand and who you are and you're not getting pulled by, oh, this shiny object over here and this, but this person's doing this and they're successful, so I'm going to go do this. If you just stay true to who you are in your niche, you're going to have success. As long as you're getting out there and you're doing it the right way, you got to stick with it. The problem is people say, oh, I'm going to do this niche, and they do it for like a month, and then it falls flat because they're not, they haven't invested the time, their audience doesn't trust them yet. So that's really where the disconnect is, is they want to build a personal brand, but they don't even know the basics. Which are the four pillars that I, I, I teach on a lot is how to build that brand and how to build that, that authority in their market, whatever that market is for them.

[B]

Yeah. Let's talk those four pillars, then. What are the, what are the, what are the four pillars? How do they engage in the personal brand?

[C]

Yeah. So the four pillars that I teach are, you know, who, who are you? Right. What do you do? Who, who do you help and how do you help them? Like, what problem do you solve for your audience that they would feel like you are the obvious choice to work with whatever it is that you're doing. Whether or not, you know, if you're a, a health and wellness coach, that's great, that's a little broad. If you're a, you know, menopause coach, that's a little bit of a different story. Right? So you know, niching it down. People are afraid to do that because they don't want to lose the other people that might be out there that might think that there can't help them. But that's okay. You're actually going to be speaking to a wide audience in that specific niche. So building that those four pillars and staying true to that and creating that brand message where you know it's, it's going to go something like I help you know, that specific avatar with said problem through your service or product. So creating that and having that be your tagline basically across all social media, across everything that you do, when someone asks you what you do, that's what you tell them. Like an elevator pitch. And it just makes it really clean and for people to understand right off the bat what problem you solve. Because in the end people just want to know what's in it for me, right? You can go on and on about how great your business is and no one cares, right? They just want to know what does this help me with?

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If you, if you have to explain what you mean, then it's not a good intro.

[C]

Exactly. And you don't have to overcomplicate it. Right? I mean, it's not complicated. People overcomplicate business all the time. In the end, you don't need all these fancy widgets on your website. You don't need a fancy website. I know multimillionaires making a million dollars a month with click throughs on a sales page. Just a sales page online. They don't even have a fancy website they don't have all these people working for them and it's, it's just simplified. We're just talking to people and we need to kind of bring it back because a lot of people, especially the age groups now, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm in my 40s, but you look at like some of the 20s and 30s, you know, some things where they kind of grew up on their phone more than we did. They're, they're doing, you know, everything was text and they don't want to get on the phone with people and they don't want to be face to face. But I think bringing it back to basics with that face to face and that real connection is what people crave and people crave connections. So I think if you can have a good balance of connection in your business, especially if it's a forward facing business, it's super important to do that.

[B]

What are the channels that people like? I think sometimes people get sort of overwhelmed by thinking about like, oh, well, you gotta be on X and LinkedIn and, and, and you gotta be on Snapchat and Instagram and YouTube and a podcast and the blog. And it's like, it's just too much, too much stuff. What's your recommendation for people who are like just getting started and feeling really overwhelmed by all? Yeah, exist.

[C]

Pick one, pick one and work it. You know, pick what works for you. I really have three, which is Facebook, Instagram and LinkedIn. Actually, I use TikTok as well. I had a couple network marketing businesses blow up on TikTok, but that's a different niche. I don't use TikTok for any of the businesses we're talking about. So I use TikTok for like digital marketing and network marketing. But for me, I mean, Facebook for me has always been more personal. Like that's where all your high school friends are and people that know you a little bit more. LinkedIn has been one of the best connections and the biggest opportunities for me has been through LinkedIn. But it takes, that's a, that's a slower burn and that takes longer to grow because you're not putting funny reels on there. You're actually making real connections with CEOs, founders, business owners. So it's, I think people get bored. I coach on it a lot. I'll see them create a profile. It looks beautiful. And then I'll go back and I'll be like 15, they have 15 connections, you know where they don't. They get bored with it because they don't see that content is much different content than what you see on Instagram or Facebook. So don't discount LinkedIn. I'm a huge fan. It's given me so many opportunities, so much business from that also, I mean I've had Facebook literally drove my business. I think one of the first years I was really using it, I sold 12 homes from Facebook.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

And so for, you know, for, at the time, I think I took home like $75,000 in gross commission income from that year. And this was, we're talking like 0708 like that, that time of, you know, that, that time. And you just have to be consistent and you have to work it and treat it like a business.

[B]

Yeah. Starting with one channel is definitely the advice that I would echo is that it's. You don't have to start on everything. You don't have to be everywhere all at once. Day one. Now if you have a bunch of money and you can hire team, then sure, why not? But if you're starting from scratch, you don't have a bunch of with, then yeah. Pick one place. Just ask yourself the question. Oh, excuse me, sorry. When you, when you do the exercise that Dana was talking about earlier about who you help the most, just get clarity around. Where does that person hang out the most? Is it on Tik Tok? Is it on YouTube? Is it on LinkedIn? Because probably depending on the type of person that they are and the type of business that they're running, they're probably somewhere more than they are other places. So focus on that platform first and do as much as you can on that platform. The beautiful thing is about that is that a lot of these platforms now are, are easily aggregated for cross posting. Like you can just make content for one platform. Go spread that same exact piece of content across all of the other platforms. Because why not like, like our LinkedIn presence isn't. Isn't super strong. We've never really done much on LinkedIn, but we post all of our. Not all of them, but we post a lot of our business leaning clips over on LinkedIn which isn't necessarily like a post that historically performs well on LinkedIn, but just randomly. Last month we got like two and a half million LinkedIn impressions from a couple videos that went crazy just because made the videos. May as well post them over there too. You know what I mean? So 100.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Have to be this like, you know, crazy strategy thing all the time. Whenever you're posting on a new platform, making the comment just go post it and it'll probably do something for you in the back end. So, Dana, I appreciate you taking the time to come on the show today. Where can people go to get more from you and what you're working on?

[C]

Sure. So if you're, if you want to find me online, you can find me at Dana Flanagan at any of the socials and you can also find [e-mail] and that's my website. So I'd love to talk to you

[B]

at Dana Flanagan over on social or dana flanagan.com that's F L A N A G A N. Dana, thank you for taking the time to come to my show. I'll shoot my dad a text and tell him we were able to connect finally. Cause he's the one who made the connection here. So I appreciate you for taking the time to come on. Everybody else listening. Remember, money only solves your money problems, but it's easier to solve the rest of your problems. We got some money in the bank, so let's start there. Here on the Travis Makes Money podcast. Thanks for tuning in. Catch you guys next time. Peace.

[F]

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