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What's going on everybody? Welcome back to the show. On this episode, it's just me, you and the mic. And we're continuing with our series of pulling out lessons, key insights, takeaways, common themes and commonalities of some of the amazing people that I've had here on the show over the years. Been nine years, almost 2,000 episodes, I want to say over a thousand interviews now. So it's quite a few lessons to pull from. And basically my AI platform went through and found the things that people talked about consistently that they kept bringing up over and over again. So today's episode is all about physical Health as a platform, that the body is the foundation. And across very different guest backgrounds, the same insight kept servicing up over and over again. And that's getting your physical life in order is not vanity or discipline, culture or bro science. It's. It's a functional prerequisite for thinking clearly, showing up, and building what you're working on. The body is your literal physical hardware. And so if you don't have that taken care of, even if you have good software in your mind, running, it's going to come up against certain obstacles that it shouldn't have come up against if you are treating your body correctly. So I. I experienced this a couple of. Couple of ways over the years, both in a good sense and a bad sense. I was always an athlete, grown. When I was growing up, I was playing sports all the time, playing a crazy amount of basketball. And basketball's pretty intense cardio, so I never really had to worry about it. And then I got injured my junior year of college playing basketball, or, excuse me, my sophomore year. And then I got surgery my junior year, and then I stopped playing basketball. Then I got married in my senior year. And then my wife started cooking all this amazing food, and I didn't say no to any of it. There was always leftovers. And I was making it a personal goal of mine to make sure there were no more leftovers. And so I ballooned up, man. I got like 50, 60 pounds in a single year, year and a half, maybe. Like, I was competing to get fat. And I experienced what it was like to have that physical health component start to derail me from a mental perspective. I remember one time I went back to where I grew up and was in the gym, and there was a kid I used to coach when I was. I was a junior high basketball coach. This kid was on my team at that time, and he came up to me, and he was around college age then at that time, and he came up to me and was like, man. And he didn't mince words at all as a kid would or wouldn't. And he goes, man, Trav, you're looking kind of fat, huh? And I was like. The only retort that I had in my repertoire at the time was like, yeah, you should see my wallet or something. Like, yeah, so is my wallet or something like that, because I was making pretty decent money in sales. And then it kind of dawned on me. Like, as the words were leaving my mouth, I was like, that's not who I want to be. Like, I don't want to be the Guy who's, who's sacrificing physical health for the sake of increasing my bank account. And that's not required as a side effect of increasing your bank account. Like you can do both and lots of people do both. So I had to go back to the drawing board and figure out a path that it was going to work for me. And over the next few years went on sort of a journey. And I wouldn't call it necessarily a weight loss journey, but sort of a health journey because I lost the weight pretty quickly. Like I, I have this ability to stay hyper disciplined for short bursts of time. And I say I do, I think most people do. But if you only build a life, if you build a lifestyle that you can only maintain for a short period of time, then it's inevitable that the bounce back is going to happen. So I went from 250 down to 200 in probably the subsequent year after I had hit 250. So I'm from 200 or so to 250 and then from 250 back down to 200 probably in a two and a half year period. And then over the next five years I just went like up and down, up and down, up and down like a yo yo. And eventually two, three years ago, finally made a decision where I was like, I got to stop doing these short burst periods because I can stay hyper disciplined for these 75 days doing this challenge or these 90 days here or this six weeks to lose £20 and whatever else. But then as soon as I'm done with it, I go right back to what I was doing because I haven't figured out a sustainable lifestyle that allows me to stay healthy in the meantime. And it finally, when that happened, I just remember feeling like a, like a weight was lifted, like a burden was lifted from, from my back that I'd been carrying all these years. Because it was always in the back of my mind, like when I'm gaining weight, I feel crappy. I don't feel good about myself, I feel less confident, I feel sicker. I feel like literal indigestion. You know, just don't feel a hundred percent. My energy was down. You know, it was difficult to run up the stairs and grab something that I forgot upstairs. You know, I was difficult to put my socks and shoes on. It was it my, my stomach fat got pinched in my belt when I'd bend over, you know, all these things that were happening. So I was constantly either thinking about that and then I was in this period of discipline. I was thinking about how much it sucked to be in that period of discipline. I was like, I can't have anything that I want. And this sucks. This is so terrible. And then it made me crave all the things that I wanted. And so as soon as I reached the goal, I'd go right back into doing those things. And it was just this cycle of continuing to do all this other stupid stuff. And then when I finally got this plan nailed down, like I said, it felt like a burden lifted from my shoulders where it was like, I can finally take away focus from this and not have it be constantly in the back end, in the back of my mind, like degrading my mental health as well as my physical health. So your, your body's a foundation. You can't just, you can't just keep kicking the can further down the road and saying, like, well, one day I'll value my health because I'll tell you this for sure, you can have a million problems, but as soon as you have a big health problem, it's the only problem that you think about. It's the only problem that you care about. So don't wait for life to shake you awake and make you focus on your health. Get it in order. And I promise you, the downstream effects that you'll notice on your energy level, your productivity, your confidence, will be worth the work and effort that you put put in to figuring out what a sustainable lifestyle is going to be for you moving forward. So this quote came directly from Michael Smoke, who's at Higher Up Wellness Online. He's built a massive following talking about wellness and health. And he said, I believe when you clean out the gunk in your physical body through diet, exercise, and good sleep, that your purpose, your path, and your passions all become more clear. And this was his personal experience as well. He lost, I believe, around 60 pounds when he got his health in order. And then he just started soaking up as much positive information about this stuff as he could. We'll go on these long walks and listen to health and wellness podcasts and stuff like that. And so when he started finally sharing some of the things that he had learned from his journey online, he was able to do it from a position of being highly knowledgeable and competent and then having the personal story and the personal journey of cleaning up his own health and losing 60 pounds and getting in good shape and building muscle. And so he was able to simplify those concepts for some people who were, who were checking out his stuff when he first got started. And then fast forward to Today, which is only two, three years later. Three, I think three years since he started creating content and he's got millions of followers across his platforms. He's a full time online creator. He's been able to move across the country and choose the life that is meaningful and matters to him to a certain extent. So his purpose, his path, his passions all became more clear once he got the physical side in order.
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from my conversation with my my most recent conversation, excuse me, with Jordan Harbinger. Jordan is a full time podcaster. He's, in my opinion, one of one of the goats of podcasting. He's been doing it since like 2008 or something like that. Like right. I think he was one of the first 500 shows and that was even available as a podcast in itunes. And he's been doing it ever since. And the last time that we had A conversation. The first thing I noticed about him was like, I said to him, I said, man, you look great. You've been what you've been doing. He was telling me that this is the first time he lost a bunch of weight. This is the first time in his life like he feels better now than he did when he was single in his 20s. And he credits a lot of the energy that he has and how good he feels and the confidence that he has to a lot of the success that he's had in his career recently as well. He said, we like to think that we can extract this one area from these other areas and it's not possible. We're holistic beings by now nature. And that went into this other part of the conversation because we were, we were talking about people's desire to do this where they, they think that they can just set aside the physical side for a little bit, or they think they can just set aside the money side or they can set aside the spiritual component, or they can, they can, they can set aside their family knife, family life from their career. And it's like we are just, we're, by definition, we're holistic beings, man. We can't, we can't just take this one thing and then leave this other thing. If, if this one area of your life is struggling, then inevitably it' going to start bringing down the other areas of your life. And health is absolutely one of the big perpetrators behind that. This next one also comes from Michael Smoke. He said, you don't have a discipline issue, you have a systems issue. No one could maintain two workouts a day, a book a month, and no junk food forever. That's not realistic. It's like you don't have a problem with discipline, you have a problem with the system. And he brought up a quote from James Clear's book Atomic Habits, which is, we do not rise to the level of our goals. We fall to the level of our systems. So just build a better system. And that's what it eventually took me to, it took me several years to realize was that my system's broken. If this system is making me be 200 at the, you know, by March or April after New Year's resolutions in January, and then back up to 2:30 by October because I let everything drop in the meantime, then it means that I have a really bad system. I'm not following the system. And if the system is not followable, then it's by definition a bad system. That's what I tell people now is like whatever like the system that you should follow is the one that works for you. That's the system you should follow. How do you know it's gonna work for you? You just got to do stuff. You just gotta try stuff. This is the bad news about it. The good news is that it's within your control and you can build whatever you wanna build. The bad news, that it's gonna take a lot of work and effort to be able to figure out what that means for you. So for me, it meant trying all these challenges, it meant trying the keto diet, it meant trying this nutrisystem it t25 insanity workout programs and diet plans and trainers and tried all these different things until I finally realized what was going to work really well for me, which was focus on protein, calories, do some weight training, get my steps in, drink water, get good sleep, and everything else will probably take care of itself. That was really what it was for me. And then really defining what calories were, was probably the biggest linchpin in my success ultimately was that. And, and I don't want to make it seem like I'm a master at this now. I still struggle sometimes. But the. Probably the biggest game changer for me, and maybe this will be helpful for anybody listening, was when I finally decided that I was gonna do the work to track my calories for a couple of months, and that sucked. Let me tell you. It's not a fun thing to track your calories, but it will tell you where the food's going. And if you're going to do this, you have to be extremely and brutally honest about the calories that you're consuming. You cannot overlook some calories. You cannot make yourself feel better at the end day by. By knowingly leaving out some calories in your calorie tracker because you don't think that they mattered that much, you know, if you're going to track them, track every single calorie that goes into your mouth on a daily basis for 30 days. Don't even change anything about your diet. Like, do exactly what you're doing right now. The only thing you should change is track everything that's going in because you're going to start. Look, you're going to start. When you start tracking all those calories, you're going to start looking at it and going like, oh, man, I. I spent like 400 calories on this stupid thing that I don't really even value that much. Like, that doesn't make any sense. You know, why, why am I doing that? Like, maybe I'M actually cool with drinking black coffee. I don't have to add cream and sugar, but I'm having three cups of coffee with cream and sugar. It's like, well, cream and sugar and three cups of coffee could be 300, 400 additional calories throughout the day. Or, you know, I'm, I'm drinking regular coke instead of diet Coke and that's 240 calories or something like that. You'll start picking up on things that you can leave out. But because this is really important, because there was a study that was where these participants in this group were supposed to track their calories. And the punchline of the study was that most people tend tended to under track their calories by up to 50% on average. 50% on average was what people were essentially just lying to themselves and thinking that they were. And this is why you get so frustrated. This is why I got so frustrated. Because in your mind, you know, for a while I wouldn't track my calories, but I was just like, okay, only whole foods and I'm not gonna eat any junk food. No sug, no alcohol, no bad stuff. I'm only going to eat good stuff. And I would still gain weight. And I was like, ah, you know, genetics, I guess I just have one of those body types. This is going to suck for me, whatever. And to pretend that genetics and hormones, things like that don't have a role is silly. They of course do. But no amount of, of genetics or hormones, save a very, very, very, very small group of people, is going to make up for or overcome the law of thermodynamics. It's energy in, energy out. So if you're going to track your calories, track every single calorie, including the bites, licks and tastes. I had two bites of my son's sandwich at lunch. I had four fries off of my wife's plate at dinner. And I dip them in ketchup. Estimate how much ketchup did I have, how many fries did I have? Put that in the calorie tracker. Because it only works if you're willing to be totally and brutally honest about it. So find the system that works. From you what the research says about this. This claim among the best supported in this is one of the best supported in this entire study that we've been doing on all the commonalities of the past guests we've had on the show. A 2025 systematic review of 57 studies found that compared with 2,000 steps a day, 7,000 steps a day was associated with 47% lower all cause mortality, 38% lower dementia risk and 22% lower depression risk. So just going from 2,000 steps a day to 7 thousand steps a day was associated with 47 percent lower all cause mortality, 38 percent lower dementia and 22% lower depression. So this is again one of those things that we don't think about. It's like, well, you know, I, I got my exercise in at the gym, I'm good. But if you're only doing 2,000 steps, then we're not thinking about this in terms of longevity and health. And, and you, you, the, in my opinion, this is probably the most underrated good part of the health process is just walk a little bit more, go, go from 2,000 steps a day to 7,000 steps a day and you get all of these awesome benefits. And this again is talking about that system. So that's, that's the standard for me. It's like, it's very rare now for a day for me to not at least have 7,000 steps. I'm usually shooting for 10 to 15,000. But yeah, the 7,000 steps a day thing is just a hack that anybody can implement. It doesn't take a crazy amount of time. You can walk a quarter mile here, a quarter mile there, walk five, 10 minutes after a meal and put this into your routine. And you're going to note this is what's called neat. So you have your total daily energy expenditure, your tdee inside of that. There should be different categories of how your body burns calories throughout the day. Well, this is categorized under the NEAT section, which is non exercise activity thermogenesis. So your, your movement that is not calculated during your workout is a much higher amount of calories burnt throughout the day than even your exercises or your weight training routine will be unless you're working out for two hours a day, which is probably not the case. So again, better systems equal better results. Decades of meta analytic evidence show physical activity reduces depression and anxiety systems with effect sizes comparable to antidepressants, anti antidepressants in mild to moderate cases. So benefits accrue well below the, the World Health Organization's 150 minutes a week guideline. So it's, it's, it doesn't have to be this all or nothing mentality where it's like, well, I'm either going to run 10 miles a day or I'm going to do nothing. It's like, okay, well there's probably a happy medium here and it's probably more simple than you're thinking that it is. So this is a great story from history about Benjamin Franklin. At about age 20, he decided that wanting to be virtuous was insufficient and built a 13 week rotating tracking system with daily morning and evening review questions proof that treating self management as engineered systems, not raw willpower, is centuries old. So this systems issue, not discipline issue is Ben Franklin's insight that he had a really long time ago. So he was just he built a system to be more virtuous. So instead of just saying like I want to be virtuous, he built this crazy tracking system that measured the virtues that he found most valuable and it enabled him to track those virtues and make sure that he was actually improving as a human being. So do the same thing with your health. I promise you it is absolutely worth the work that it's going to take to get in the best shape of your life to feel good about who you are in the way that you show up in the world. So take your health seriously folks, and if you don't, at some point, you'll be forced to. So do it before life forces you to focus on it. That's it for this episode of the show. Thanks so much for tuning in. Catch you guys next time. Peace.
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Episode: SOLO | Make Money by Building a Healthy Body That Powers Your Success
Host: Travis Chappell
Release Date: July 19, 2026
In this solo episode, Travis Chappell dives into a recurring, cross-guest theme from his extensive podcast interviews: the foundational importance of physical health in powering not just personal well-being but also professional success and financial growth. Drawing from his own journey, as well as insights and concrete advice from standout guests like Michael Smoke and Jordan Harbinger, Travis explores why treating your body well isn’t just about vanity or discipline—it’s about creating the conditions for everything else in life to thrive.
“The body is your literal physical hardware. And so if you don’t have that taken care of, even if you have good software in your mind running, it’s going to come up against certain obstacles that it shouldn’t have come up against if you are treating your body correctly.”
— Travis Chappell [03:01]
Travis shares his athletic background, major weight gain post-college, and the mental and physical struggles that followed (difficulty with energy, confidence, simple tasks).
He highlights how temporary “bursts” of hyper-discipline (e.g., 75-day challenges) led to quick wins but unsustainable long-term results, triggering cycles of gain and loss.
True liberation came from building a sustainable lifestyle—not just periodic discipline.
Memorable Moment:
“...it felt like a burden lifted from my shoulders where it was like, I can finally take away focus from this and not have it be constantly in the back end, in the back of my mind, like degrading my mental health as well as my physical health.”
[06:27]
If you let your health slip, eventually a health crisis will eclipse all your other problems.
Final takeaway for listeners: start now, not when forced.
Quote:
“You can have a million problems, but as soon as you have a big health problem, it’s the only problem you think about.”
[07:25]
Michael Smoke (Higher Up Wellness):
“I believe when you clean out the gunk in your physical body through diet, exercise, and good sleep, that your purpose, your path, and your passions all become more clear.”
— Michael Smoke, paraphrased by Travis [08:54]
Jordan Harbinger:
“We like to think that we can extract this one area from these other areas and it’s not possible. We’re holistic beings by nature.”
— Jordan Harbinger, paraphrased by Travis [11:02]
“We do not rise to the level of our goals. We fall to the level of our systems.”
— James Clear, cited by Michael Smoke and Travis [12:41]
Tracking Calories & Honest Assessment:
Memorable Moment:
“If you’re going to do this, you have to be extremely and brutally honest about the calories that you’re consuming... Track every single calorie that goes into your mouth on a daily basis for 30 days. Don’t even change anything about your diet... you’re going to start looking at it and going like, oh, man, I spent like 400 calories on this stupid thing that I don’t really even value that much.”
[15:19]
Establish Daily Movement Goals:
“Treating self-management as engineered systems, not raw willpower, is centuries old... Build a system to be more virtuous—to actually measure your progress.”
[19:45]
| Timestamp | Segment / Key Topic | |-----------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:43 | Introduction: Series theme, episode purpose | | 03:01 | Importance of physical health as “hardware” | | 05:30 | Travis’s personal weight and health struggle, mental burdens | | 07:25 | The wake up call—don’t wait for a crisis | | 08:54 | Michael Smoke’s transformation & quote on clarity through health | | 11:02 | Insights from Jordan Harbinger: “holistic beings by nature” | | 12:34 | Discipline vs. systems; importance of good systems (Michael Smoke, James Clear) | | 15:19 | Calorie tracking, honest assessment, common pitfalls | | 18:14 | Research on steps/day, NEAT, and health/longevity stats | | 19:45 | Benjamin Franklin’s system for self-management as a model for health | | 20:05 | Closing: Take health seriously—do it before life forces you |
Travis wraps by emphasizing that health is a universal non-negotiable. There’s immense upside to getting your body in order—not someday, but now. If you delay, at some point life will force you to focus on your health; do it now and unlock better energy, confidence, productivity, and, yes, earning potential.
“Take your health seriously folks, and if you don’t, at some point you’ll be forced to.” [20:05]
This episode is a powerful reminder: a healthy body is the best investment you can make—for your business, life, and happiness.