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Welcome back to the show. On this episode, it's just me, you and the mic and we are continuing with our series of lessons and takeaways from past guests on the show. But what I wanted to do right now is take a brief pivot. Okay? Right now I think we are at 46 episodes talking about lessons and takeaways from past guests of the show gone through 46 different people. And so what I thought would be interesting is to take a quick break and start breaking down some of the common lessons and themes from this first batch of episodes just to kind of tie it all together. So I had my research assistant, Perplexity computer download all the transcripts and organize all of this. And frankly, like I said, like I've said a couple times before in this series, it's shocking to me how much just good stuff is here. And maybe that shouldn't be shocking to me because I'm the one who recorded the interviews, but man, there's just so much good stuff. And so what I really wanted to do was basically try to take it a step further than just anecdotal evidence. And so the big piece of research that was done on this was basically, hey, let's take all the core commonalities and themes from these successful people and what they're talking about, then let's back that up with some data, some actual research that supports this idea, some peer reviewed research, and then let's take a step back and look to somebody in history who has done something similar to what we're talking about here on the show. So this is the first episode in this little mini series before we continue along with learning from past guests of the show. So here we go. The first theme that was uncovered through all of this, and this is supported through interviews with Josh Peck, Scott Harrison, the founder of Water Brian Callan, Joe Gatto, Garrett White, Bernard Hopkins. And the theme is ego death in is the price of the Next Chapter. I have seen this firsthand with a lot of people anecdotally, and I'm sure that this persists across multiple industries as well. But people tend to get comfortable enough with what they're doing, and it prevents them from being willing to do anything different. And the, the embarrassment that they were willing to risk at the beginning of their career is not something that they're willing to do during the reinvention of their career. So they just stay stuck, they stay comfortable. They stay where they're, where they're already operating because they understand how it works. You know, they, they, they get, they, they, they're seeking that comfort. They're, they're seeking that certainty. Even though the certainty is certain boredom or, or certain lack of purpose or certain unhappiness, it's still certain. So they're wired to, and we all are wired to search for the certainty to, to avoid any sort of discomfort. And I think when you're going to reinvent yourself there, there has to be a death of the ego that happens because you have to be willing to jump into a new space and be at the bottom again. You're starting at the bottom of the totem pole. Even though you've already worked for 18 years in this other field, if you're going to do something different, you're starting at the bottom. You got to put in the reps the same way you were willing to put in the reps when you started the other thing 18 years ago. And so this was something that was apparent across multiple conversations. And so there's a couple of quotes here from Josh Peck. First of all, he said it was only in being able to truly let have that ego death that I could start acting for me, for the reasons that I fell in love with acting back When I was 8 years old, my identity was so wrapped up in being an actor, so this idea that I'd worked at this thing since I was 10 and that I might have to let go of it, it was ego shattering. And Josh ended up turning this into a stellar post acting career. And he's still doing a good amount of acting as well, even in, you know, Oppenheimer, which is a massive film. But he has built himself an amazing creator career off the back end of the fame that he garnered from being and Josh as a, as a teenager. So he, the, the, the success only came after he was willing to let go of the initial identity and have that ego death. Brian Callant did something similar coming from the acting space. Said, I didn't accept that I hated acting until I was 53 years old. It's humbling. I've been wrong more than I've been right by far. And the good news about that is it only takes being right a few times. So keep getting up, keep taking more swings, keep willing to reinvent yourself and have that death of your so here's what the research says about this Identity level change is real, but it's hard won. A systematic review of 30 longitudinal studies found that people can intentionally shift personality traits in desired directions, but the effects are modest over a few months. And a Meta analysis of 44 studies found that major life events reliably produce personality change and that work domain events such as job loss or a career pivot move people more than personal ones. So change, change that feels profound can revert under stress. So ego death is a practice. It's not a one time event. It's something that you have to do continuously, over and over and over again. And the, the events that cause the change, I think is something to focus in on because this is mostly in the context of things that happened to you that are wildly outside of your control. Like, you know, the, the loss of a job or a major career pivot or something like that. But the question then becomes, in my mind, if you have things about yourself that you want to change, how can you engineer a struggle type of an event in your life without it being thrust upon you by life in general? How can you engineer this ability to be in the struggle, to overcome the struggle and to allow that struggle to change you into a different person? How can you allow those things into your life in a structured type of a setting to where you are not just waiting for life to blow a storm your way before you become the person that you want to become?
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there's a great story that, that we found basically from a guy by the name of John Milton. If you don't know John Milton, he wrote the, the, the epic book Paradise Lost, which is, you know, masterpiece, essentially a literary masterpiece. He spent nearly two decades as a political pamphleteer in Cromwell's government, sacrificing his own literary ambitions and ultimately his eyesight. So crazy two decades sacrificed his desire to write books and then, and then also, and then also lost his eyesight. So when The Restoration of 1660 destroyed Puritan rule, he ended up losing his position within the government. So he lost his job, he lost his position, he lost his pension, the thing that he was falling back on and the reason that he sacrificed his dreams for 20 years, he lost that and briefly lost his freedom. So blind, broke, disgraced, he finally returned to the epic that he had long deferred and dictated Paradise Lost, which then was published in 1667. So the collapse of his, of his career identity was the precondition for the masterpiece that, that his Paradise Lost. And we would not know who John Milton is today without that reinvention of himself that was thrust upon him by unfortunate life circumstances that were wildly out of his so what would you build if you let the old version of you die? That's the question that I want you to think about more this week. What would you build if you were willing to let the old version of you die? What, what, what's on the horizon for you? What, what are you, what, what's the identity that you're holding on to that you're only holding on to for your ego's sake. And I get it. It's hard, it's difficult when you feel like you've put in so much work to climb this particular mountain and you get close to the top, you go like, man, I actually don't really want to be on this mountain. It's really, really difficult to do the work to climb all the way back down and then drive to the trailhead of a different mountain. And then when you're starting at that mountain, it's not like you get helicopter flighted into the same position that you had on the previous mountain. And that's the part that I don't think people can deal with. They can't deal with the idea that they're starting over again. But what I would encourage you to do is look at the benefits of starting over again. Look at the, look at the positives and focus on those rather than the negatives. Focus on the novelty. You're starting something new, and that's by definition, it's exciting. Again, it lights up that novelty center of your brain and tells you that you're doing something that's, that's fun and exciting. Again. Focus on the novelty piece. Focus on the, the, the ancillary benefits of the pursuit that you're currently engaging in. If it's something that genuinely means something to you, then think about the best case and the best case scenario and the worst case scenario. Examine the risk versus the reward. You know, and you're. And that's like, look, the entire risk is that you're going to start over. Okay, so like, what, what else are we on this planet to do? Like, just get to retirement as quickly as we can? Not necessarily. We're here to live a good life. We're here to affect the lives of others. We're here to add value to the world around us. Like, there's so many other things that you can take away from that. And starting over does not mean that you are actually starting over. It just means that you're choosing a different path. And that different path is going to require you surrender to the new pursuit that you are engaging in, especially if it's wildly different from the one that you were engaging in before. So try to examine the good things that are going on. Try to examine the worst case scenario. And if you look at like the worst first best case scenario, it's like, worst case scenario, I start climbing this mountain, I end up somewhere along this mountain that I don't. That I wasn't initially intending to go on, but I actually am enjoying the whole climb. How cool is that? And then you look at the best case scenario. It's like, well, best case scenario, I succeeded to a high degree at the thing that I really love and passionate about, the thing that I really want to do, the thing that I love using my time to do. Best case scenario is fantastic. It's awesome. It's the coolest thing you could possibly imagine. And the worst case scenario is that you did a bunch of stuff that you like doing and that you enjoy what you do with your time on a daily basis. That does not, it's just, it's not that bad of a scenario, guys. It's just really not. You're overestimating the downsides before you even picked the pursuit. Just because the new pursuit offers things like uncertainty and discomfort. And so you are opting in for a version of life that's less than because you're not willing to let your ego die and just start over, start over at the bottom of the mountain again with everybody else. And that can feel difficult. Especially if you're like 43 and you get into this new thing and all Your peers are 24 year olds. It almost feel kind of strange and it makes you feel like you're the old person. It makes you feel like you should have just done this when you were 23. But it also inject a new version of youth into it also will allow you to connect with people from different perspectives. It also gets you around the people that you really want to be around, people who are pursuing the same thing that you want to pursue. So do not, do not let your ego prevent you from pursuing a version of the future that looks like the ideal version for you. Even if it's going to require discomfort, even if it's going to require growth or embracing uncertainty or decreasing your lifestyle for a certain period of time. I think that's another big one, is that people allow their previously earned lifestyle to prevent them, them from engaging in a new lifestyle. It's like if you're going to start something over from scratch, you don't have a ton of money in the bank. You're probably going to have to go without eating out for a while or you're probably going to have to cancel that expensive gym membership or maybe sell your car with the high car payment. You know, you're going to have to take a few, take a few L's and they're not even really L's, I guess they're, they're perceived L's they're not really losses. Like, the loss is doing something that you hate for the rest of your life, not. Not pursuing the thing that you actually love, even if it means that you can't afford to, you know, eat at the nicest restaurants for the next couple of years. So stop. Stop overestimating the worst case scenario. Start thinking about the best case scenario and allow yourself to position yourself in a way that gets you used to that struggle. That gets you comfortable in the discomfort that gets you. That gets you, okay, to face uncertainty. And that will probably end up taking you to the place that you really want to be. Any instead of allowing yourself to get sucked into the vortex of whatever it is that you've been doing for quite some time. That maybe makes you feel better about your position in life or your status in life, or feeds your ego a little bit more. I think your. Your pursuit of the thing that you want is going to bring you more happiness than the attainment of the thing that you don't want. So anyway, that's it for this first episode of the show. Ego death is the price of the next chapter. We'll catch you guys on the next episode. Thanks for tuning in. Peace.
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Podcast Summary
Host: Travis Chappell
Episode: SOLO | Make Money by Letting Your Ego Die and Reinventing Yourself
Date: July 6, 2026
In this solo episode, Travis Chappell explores one of the most impactful themes drawn from his interviews with 46 successful guests: the critical importance of “ego death” and reinvention on the road to making more money and living a fuller life. Drawing on insights from past guests, supporting data from research, and the historical example of John Milton, Travis breaks down why letting go of your old identity—even after decades of effort—is often the key to moving forward into greater success and personal fulfillment.
He challenges listeners to confront the discomfort of starting over and to focus on the benefits, not just the risks, of pursuing a new path. The tone is motivational and relatable, providing both practical wisdom and encouragement for anyone considering a personal or professional pivot.
[01:09 – 04:20]
“The embarrassment that they were willing to risk at the beginning of their career is not something that they’re willing to do during the reinvention of their career. So they just stay stuck, they stay comfortable.”
— Travis Chappell [03:09]
[04:21 – 06:15]
“It was only in being able to truly let have that ego death that I could start acting for me, for the reasons that I fell in love with acting back when I was 8 years old…”
— Travis quoting Josh Peck [05:02]
“I didn’t accept that I hated acting until I was 53 years old. It’s humbling. I’ve been wrong more than I’ve been right by far. And the good news about that is it only takes being right a few times.”
— Travis quoting Brian Callan [05:51]
[06:16 – 08:38]
“Ego death is a practice. It’s not a one-time event. It’s something that you have to do continuously, over and over and over again.”
— Travis Chappell [07:20]
[10:36 – 12:07]
“The collapse of his career identity was the precondition for the masterpiece that is Paradise Lost. And we would not know who John Milton is today without that reinvention…”
— Travis Chappell [11:06]
[12:08 – 15:44]
“Your pursuit of the thing that you want is going to bring you more happiness than the attainment of the thing that you don’t want.”
— Travis Chappell [15:20]
On Comfort and Reinvention:
“They’re seeking that certainty. Even though the certainty is certain boredom or… certain unhappiness, it’s still certain.”
— Travis Chappell [02:37]
On Ego Death as a Continuous Practice:
“Change that feels profound can revert under stress. So ego death is a practice. It’s not a one-time event.”
— Travis Chappell [07:15]
On Risk versus Reward:
“Starting over does not mean that you are actually starting over. It just means that you’re choosing a different path.”
— Travis Chappell [13:21]
On Best-Case and Worst-Case Scenarios:
“The worst case scenario is that you did a bunch of stuff that you like doing and that you enjoy what you do with your time on a daily basis… that’s not that bad of a scenario, guys.”
— Travis Chappell [14:01]
Next up: Travis will continue the mini-series with more themes and specific actionable advice drawn from guest interviews.
Final call-to-action:
Ask yourself—what would you build if you let the old version of you die?