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You're listening to the Travis Makes Money podcast presented by GoHighLevel.com for a free 30 day trial of the best all in one digital marketing software tool on the planet. Just go to gohighlevel.com travis. Hey, what's going on, everybody? Welcome back to the show. Today it is just me, you and the mic and we're continuing talking about some of the life lessons that I've learned. If you did not listen to the first couple installments of this particular segment, basically over the last decade or so of producing over 1500 podcast episodes, interviewing over thousand super successful people, reading a couple hundred books, listening to a bunch of podcasts, I have taken a running tab of just random lessons. Whether it's something that strikes me in a particular moment or it's a book that I read that was interesting, or it's a quote that I found compelling. I basically have just been taking this long document. It's like 70 something points now on here. And so the last couple of episodes have been just going through these things one by one. So we're just going to pick up where we left off on the last episode and that is all new ideas are heretical. Basically this goes along with the idea that, you know, the, the, it's, it's the, it's the pioneer with all the arrows in their back. It's the person who, who, who, you know, forges the path for everybody else to follow. They're the ones with the arrows in their back, but they're also typically the ones who get the best results or, or get the most reward for having discovered this new path, for having, you know, pioneered this, this new journey that you can follow. But at first the ideas are going to be heretical, meaning that most people are going to find them ridiculous. Most people are going to find you obnoxious for even having those ideas to begin with. And they're not initially going to be accepted. And this happens all the time. Why? Because human beings are creatures of habit and we like to engage in things that are known and certain, rather than engaging in things that are unknown and uncertain. So you look all the way back throughout history, whether it's the steamboat to the diesel engine, to, you know, the, the, the, the car replacing horses, all of these things were looked at as fads. They were looked at as like, well, that's, you know, no, no way the car, no way that the automobile is ever going to surpass our ability to ride horses or whatever. And it's like now, of course, we look at that and, and, and laugh. But when it happened, nobody thought that that was going to be something that actually, because you can't see into the future, you know, they, they couldn't see all the infrastructure that accommodate the fact that automobiles are a better way to get around than a horse and buggy. And at the time when automobiles first came out, it wasn't completely objective that there was a better way to get around than a horse was at that time. But then the technology got a little bit better and the cars got a little bit faster, and then they had a little bit better capacity with the, the combustion engine. And then roads started getting built and infrastructure started coming in to support the invention. And then all of a sudden, now it's like nobody gets around. Like, the only people that ride horses are either cowboys or they do it for fun or for show, or they do it because they love horses. They're not actually getting around on horses. They have cars to get around in. And this happens across the board with all new things. So if you have any big ideas, if you have any new ideas, don't expect people to just accept them as being possible because they're probably just not going to. They will not until the idea is accepted. And then they'll claim credit is what'll happen. So you'll have people to be like, oh, that's ridiculous. It's never going to work. And they might even say this to your face, by the way. They might just be saying it behind your back. But then five years from now, after you prove the concept and you make the idea work and things actually start happening, people start accepting it. Then those same people are going to be like, oh, I knew you were going to. I knew we had that conversation. I knew it was going to work and was like, no, you didn't. Because I didn't either, because it's a crazy idea. But that's how all good ideas start, is they. People are going to laugh at them until they're accepted, and then they'll pretend like they were the ones who gave you credit for the idea all along. So don't let that prevent you from chasing after big ideas, because all new ideas are gonna be heretical at first. Next There's a difference between learning about other people's beliefs and actually learning to unbelieve.
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I growing up the way that I grew up, sort of like fundamentalist religious background. I had 100% certainty at the time that I was right about everything that I, that I believed. In fact, I, I had to be, frankly when I graduated the college that I went to, that's basically what you do. They have this, this thing called orals. It's an oral examination and it lasts as long as they make it last. You sit down with a couple of the top tier theology professors on the campus and they drill you about the thing about your doctrinal stances for multiple hours on end. And then that's basically if you don't pass orals, you don't graduate, even if you've completed everything else. So when, when I was coming out of that, it was very much like, I know all of this stuff and if you disagree with me, you're wrong. But I would study other religions, but I would only ever study them to the degree that I was trying to disprove them. I was never actually thinking there. What, like, is there a chance that they could be right? And any, even if at that time I told you that I did study them with that in mind, I know personally deep down that I, that I was not open to those ideas at all. So there's a big difference between just learning about what other people believe in order to just disprove them and, and you know, make the ground that you're standing on more sure in your mind versus actually learning to, to potentially unbelieve the things that you already do believe. And I just think that if you have never changed any of your beliefs from the time that you were raised, that they're probably not your beliefs, they're probably somebody else's beliefs that you're standing on that you're borrowing because you've never actually gone through the process of unlearning or relearning any of those, any of those beliefs. So do as best you can to be as objective as you can when you are looking at what other people are saying to you and actually try to think for a second and try to, and try to adopt their perspective for a second. You know, doesn't mean that you're going to change your beliefs about everything. That's the whole thing is like, people don't want to do this because they think it's going to make them weak. They think that it makes them, it makes their position less strong. They think that they're going to appear too, too flexible in their beliefs and then that means that they don't believe them that much or that, that, that somebody's going to be disappointed in them for having even entertained the idea that this belief could be incorrect. And the bottom line, in my opinion, you should get over that because there's more, there's so much more joy in believing something that you have adopted yourself rather than just accepting everything that was given to you as though it is fact. Because what are the odds that you were born 100% right, that you just happened to be born in a culture that was a hundred percent right about everything, politically, religiously, business, wise, financial, like whatever, whatever, whatever. All the beliefs were passed down to you, what are the odds that all of them are 100% correct? Probably not. Not great. So you should be willing to unbelieve things and then find more evidence to re believe those things. And then when you do get to that point, the things that you believe will be much more strongly held than they were previously because you actually went through the process of learning how to believe those things. So huge difference in between learning about other people's beliefs and actually learning to unbelieve things yourself. Next. Don't worry about the result. Worry about the effort. Don't worry about the res. The results at first, okay? Worry about the effort. You will be a somebody just by doing that because you will have an impeccable relationship with yourself. And isn't that the goal? You know, what is everything else? What is all the success that you could possibly think of and imagine? What does all of that mean? If you even like you, if you don't like yourself? And this is, I think, especially important because if you're way too, if you're far too worried about the outcome, then you could potentially betray yourself on the path to achieving that outcome. Meaning that you're going to, you might be willing to, to cheat a little bit. You might be willing to cut some corners because you're so focused on the outcome that you, you, you. You're so focused on the perception of the success that you are willing to do things that are against your own nature or against your own values, I guess, or your own character, your own beliefs. You're willing to start doing some of those things just because you want the result so bad. And this is how you end up with the Bernie Madoffs of the world, the Elizabeth Holmes of the world, is that they so badly wanted the result, or at least the perception that they achieved the result, that they were willing to do things along the way that did not serve them or the people that they claimed to serve. So worry more about the effort that you're putting in. Worry about the person that you're becoming, because even if you don't achieve the outcome, I think you'll have a much a far better relationship with yourself knowing that you did things the right way, even if the outcome was short of the outcome that you desired it to be. So don't necessarily worry about the result. Worry about the effort. You will be somebody just by doing that because you'll have an impeccable relationship with yourself. Next. Accept truth wherever you find it. And this sort of goes along with the one that we talked about on the last episode which was you don't have to like someone to learn from them.
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Accept truth wherever you find it. It's sort of a similar concept and again, this sort of was brought out of the way that I was raised because that's not how it was in that context. As you can imagine, Stephen Hasen's bite model really took effect. If you're not familiar with Stephen Hassan, he's sort of the foremost expert on cults and he has what we call what he calls the bite model, which is like the litmus test to see if you're in a cult or not. And by the way, he's not using cult as a negative word to apply across all scenarios. He's saying like some cults are good, some cults are bad, but these are the markings of a cult. Regardless, it's behavior control, information control, thought control, emotion control, bite B I T E. And the information control was absolutely in effect, the way that I grew up. And so there was things that was like, if you were caught reading a book from a certain person, you know you're gonna get in trouble from the school for reading that book. If you were caught listening to music from this other place, then you know you're gonna get in trouble. And they wanted to control every single thing. And I found that that's not super effective because I think incorrect or correct ideas only come from interaction with incorrect ideas. And you have to allow multiple ideas to exist at the same time so that you can measure them against each other and find which ones have the most merit and then continue along believing those things. So accepting truth wherever you find it can be difficult at times because sometimes you don't want to admit that somebody you don't like or somebody or, you know, a religious belief system or a political ideology or something that you are starkly opposed to. You don't want to admit that there's some truth there. But it's, to me, something that stokes the fires of division even more in, especially in our country and the political day that we live in, where nobody's ever willing to admit when the other side does something good. It drives me crazy. And it happens on both sides, of course, all the time. But it's like somebody take the example of somebody that you hate in politics and they do something good, but you have to find a reason that it's bad. It's like you can't just admit that it was a good thing that they did. You can't just admit that they said something that was intelligent. You can't just admit that the strategy or the plan that they're enacting is actually working. And I think that's, that's detrimental. You should be willing to accept truth wherever you find it, even if that truth is coming from somebody who says a lot of other despicable things. It's like, okay, those 90% of what that person says I disagree with, I don't like. However, however, they did say this one thing one time that I found to be extremely useful. And I, I think, I think that's a mark of intelligence. If can dissect information without having it. And you see this all the time on these like sidewalk style interviews again, on both sides. And, and both sides meaning political, any side, religious, you know, just people go on the street and then they'd be like, they'll say something like, do you agree with this quote from so and so? And then they'll be like, no, that's terrible. Who would say that that's horrible. That's. That's. That's the worst. And they'll actually reveal afterwards, well, it wasn't actually this person who said that. It was actually this person who you do agree with that said that. And they have to backtrack and be like, oh, well, you know, in that case, you know, it probably meant that. They probably meant it this way instead of the other way. And just like, no, you just heard that it was this person who said that thing, and then it made you just be diametrically opposed to the entire idea, even though it was objectively a helpful idea. So don't allow yourself to fall prey to the idea that just because somebody you don't like or somebody who you typically disagree with says something, it means you have to completely disagree with it. Because truth can come from anywhere, and truth always holds up in the light of questioning. So be willing to accept truth wherever you find it, because it's sort of scarce these days. Next. We are born to work together, to obstruct each other is unnatural. I don't remember where I heard this, but I do remember loving it when I heard it, because ultimately, that's true. Human beings are social creatures. We are meant to work together. We are built to work together. We are. We are biologically hardwired to. To. To exist and thrive in communities of other people. To begin to obstruct other people from accomplishing what they're trying to accomplish is unnatural, and it's only going to be bad. I just had this conversation with my wife, actually, before I started recording some of these episodes today, because she asked me if I saw someone, some influencer that we had followed some time ago. They were talking bad about this other big country musician, and they put out several posts just looking, just searching for some reason to vilify the actions of this other person who's been doing really well recently. And I just. I told my wife, I was like, first of all, I unfollowed that person years ago because I noticed that the majority of their content was basically becoming this, where they would just try to just talk about anybody that they could possibly talk about. And it was like, whoa, I don't. What are you doing? Like, why? Who made you the Internet detective that, you know, who appointed you. You to go search for evidence from 15 years ago of a screenshot of a tweet that this person said? And can you believe that they said that? Therefore, everything that they're doing now is. Is. And we should never. You know, they don't deserve the. The success that they're seeing today. It's just. I don't. I just think that trying to obstruct everybody else. Again, I shouldn't have to say this, but just to say it, just to make sure we're on the same page, barring anything illegal, unethical, immoral, you know, Then. Then what are we doing here? Why are. Why are we actively trying to prevent other people from achieving their own dreams? And sort of goes back to this lesson from the Alchemist, which was, never interfere and never interfere with the personal legend of another, because it will ensure that you'll never find your personal legend. Meaning that if you take the majority of your time just trying to prevent other people from achieving what they want to achieve, you're just going to make sure that you never achieve what you want to achieve. You think it's an activity that's hurting the other person, when in reality, the only person that you're harming in that is yourself. So stop pointing the finger. Stop searching for reasons why it's effective to prevent other people from being successful, and start focusing on your own damn life and focusing on your own success. And you'll probably be a lot happier of a person, to be honest with you. And you'll probably find that other people will tend to want to see you successful as well, rather than having other people, you know, turn a blind eye or not turn a blind eye once when you mess up, right? So, like, if you're. If you're constantly putting out this idea that, you know, this person said this thing seven years ago, therefore they should not be successful now it's like, well, you better hope that nobody tries to dig up some stuff on you, because if they search hard enough, I'm sure they'll be able to find something. And then all of the people, all the audience that you built through through trash talking other people, they will turn on you in a heartbeat. Once somebody else exposes you for something that was similar to something that you expose somebody else for, it makes no sense. Just stop. Stop being so damn negative all the time. Again, barring anything illegal, unethical, or immoral, just stay away from it. Don't try to obstruct anybody else. It is unnatural. We are born to work together. We are born to be communal and to have community and to support and help each other. Other Next. And we'll cut it off after this one. For this episode. Next. Do less. Better. For a long time, I was just doing more. I was just like more and more and More put it on my plate. And before you know it, that's when you start working these crazy long hours, crazy long days. But you don't really have any additional productivity show for it because you're doing a bunch of stuff that you probably shouldn't be doing. So just stop doing all the other things and do less, but do those things better. So choose the things that are the highest leverage for your time, focus on those things and do them better than you're doing everything else and life will begin to open up. You'll be, it'll, you can take a second to breathe, you'll get some decent sleep. I saw Kevin o' Leary actually recently who said this. I think it was on a, on a new, some news segment or something like that. But he was talking about how he's changed his tune on this so that when he was coming up he was working these 16 hour days and, and looked at that as being something that was really beneficial. And now he actually, when he invests in companies, he was like, I don't, I won't work with founders now if they're putting in 1618 hour days like I want them. Like the success of the company depends on their ability to do this for a much longer period of time. And if you don't have longevity built into your daily routine, then you're not going to be able to stick in the game long enough. So make sure you're getting your sleep, make sure you're getting your exercise in, make sure you have time for family and personal relationships. Relationships and then, and then focus on all the things that you're doing and do them really, really, really well. And you'll probably get more productivity out of the day and you'll probably be a little bit more happy and you'll probably be a little bit more at peace and you'll probably have time for the relationships in your life at least to some degree. So do less better. That's it for this episode of the show. Thanks so much for tuning in. Catch you guys in the next one. Peace.
Podcast Summary: Travis Makes Money – SOLO | Make Money by Thinking Differently
Host: Travis Chappell
Date: March 1, 2026
In this solo episode, Travis Chappell continues his ongoing series reflecting on pivotal life lessons learned over a decade of podcasting and interviewing successful individuals. Today’s theme is centered on challenging conventional thinking, embracing new ideas, questioning inherited beliefs, focusing on effort over results, and practical strategies for personal and financial growth. Travis delivers actionable and motivational insights in his signature honest and conversational style.
Timestamp: 00:30–04:47
“If you have any big ideas, don’t expect people to just accept them as being possible because they’re probably just not going to.” – Travis (03:40)
Timestamp: 08:17–10:48
“If you have never changed any of your beliefs from the time that you were raised, they're probably not your beliefs... they're probably somebody else's beliefs that you're standing on.” – Travis (09:36)
Timestamp: 10:48–13:51
“Worry about the person that you’re becoming, because even if you don’t achieve the outcome, you’ll have a much, a far better relationship with yourself knowing that you did things the right way.” – Travis (12:18)
Timestamp: 15:32–19:55
“Truth can come from anywhere, and truth always holds up in the light of questioning.” – Travis (17:56)
Timestamp: 19:55–24:04
“If you take the majority of your time just trying to prevent other people from achieving what they want to achieve, you’re just going to make sure you never achieve what you want to achieve.” – Travis (22:21)
Timestamp: 24:04–26:50
“So just stop doing all the other things and do less, but do those things better. So choose the things that are the highest leverage for your time, focus on those things and do them better than you’re doing everything else and life will begin to open up.” – Travis (24:28)
The episode is delivered in a thoughtful, story-driven manner, with Travis sharing personal anecdotes and referencing thought leaders. He ties each philosophical lesson to practical implications for both life and money-making, encouraging listeners to challenge conventional wisdom, foster internal integrity, and maximize their impact through intentional effort.
For listeners new and old, this episode reinforces Travis’s philosophy: to make (and enjoy) more money, start by thinking differently and courageously.