"Assisted Dying is Monetising Death" — Kelsi Sheren

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Episode Overview

• Episode Title: "Assisted Dying is Monetising Death" — Kelsi Sheren
• Release Date: May 23, 2026
• Hosts: Konstantin Kisin & Francis Foster
• Guest: Kelsi Sheren (activist, author, and returning guest)
• Theme: An uncompromising examination of Medical Assistance in Dying (MAID), euthanasia, and assisted suicide—especially in Canada—with a focus on the social, moral, financial, and ideological ramifications. Sheren passionately argues that such programs are being abused, expanded far beyond their original intent, and have created perverse incentives that "monetize death".

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1. Assisted Dying: Global Expansion and Changing Language

[02:06]

• Kelsi urges the need to re-examine and challenge the “softened” language around assisted dying, saying that terms like MAID ("Medical Assistance in Dying") are misleading and mask the reality of state-endorsed euthanasia.
• She equates current programs to eugenics:

  "It's a eugenics program... you basically get rid of all the difficult eaters, all of the mentally disabled, all of the vulnerable, all of the people that are a burden on the system." (A, 02:06)

Key Definitions and Expansion

[02:35]

• Eugenics: The attempt to improve the human population by controlled breeding for desirable inherited characteristics. Kelsi presents a frank critique, claiming it's being reframed as "dying with dignity".
• Countries like the Netherlands, Belgium, and now Canada have steadily expanded eligibility to include not just terminal illness, but children, psychiatric patients, and disabled people.

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2. How MAID Works: Process, Incentives, and Distressing Details

Process and Financial Incentives

[04:57]

• The Canadian model typically involves two separate assessors ("psychopaths," in Kelsi’s words) who each bill $200-$300 for hour-long consultations, followed by a performing physician charging $350-500, plus $147 for medication—totaling around $830 per death.
• Kelsi claims some doctors have performed over 1,000 assisted deaths, earning upwards of $860,000:

  "We have doctors who have killed over a thousand people in our country who are making over $860,000." (A, 00:35 & 04:57)

Clinical Differences and Realities

[06:53]

• In Canada, doctors directly administer lethal injections; in most US states, it's a self-administered dose.
• Sheren is highly critical of the "peaceful death" narrative, arguing that medical reality is often traumatic:

  "They hit you with two IVs... we have a ton of research around IV failures, having to go to emergency rooms, not dying when they're supposed to die... the whole family and your children and everybody get to witness it, and then the second one, they have to hit you again. Sorry, Grandma didn’t die the first time. Let’s try again." (A, 08:06)

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3. From Terminal Illness to the "Elevator Shaft" — The Slippery Slope Argument

[07:54]

• The discussion covers the shift from strictly terminal cases to a far broader application, including individuals with treatable or non-terminal conditions.
• Kelsi:

  "No, it's... not a slippery slope anymore... We've sent you out of the plane, cut both of your parachutes and say, good luck." (A, 07:54)

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4. Coercion, Consent, and Horrors of Implementation

Advance Requests and Consent Complications

[10:51]

• In Quebec and elsewhere, “advance requests” are being approved—people signing up for euthanasia in anticipation of future incapacity.
• Notable story: A woman in Denmark changed her mind mid-procedure, but was held down by her family and euthanized against her will. The doctor received no penalty:

  "You're telling me that you're asking a family member to physically hold down their loved one while they inject them to death." (A, 12:24)

Societal Pressures and Psychological Realities

• Many cases reflect not only direct coercion, but also slow societal manipulation—patients being persuaded they are burdens.
• Sheren says she receives daily letters from people who reconsidered their MAID applications after recognizing these social factors.
• Palliative and hospice care, Sheren claims, are being intentionally defunded.

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5. Medical Procedures: Myth vs. Reality

The Truth about Euthanasia Deaths

[14:14]

• Citing Dr. Joel Zivot’s research, Kelsi explains that the process for MAID more closely resembles the mechanics of lethal injection and may cause pulmonary edema—“drowning” in one's own fluids—while the patient is paralyzed and cannot speak or move:

  "Over 80% of them showed heavy lungs... indicative of waterboarding or drowning to death... but we give you a paralytic and we paralyze you first, so we can't tell it's happening." (A, 14:14)

The Double Blind: Palliative Approaches

[16:31], [18:01]

• Sheren prefers the traditional “double blind” approach: patients in hospice who are terminal can be given increasing morphine for pain until death gently occurs—without explicit “death as a service.”

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6. Organ Donation, Expansion to Vulnerable Populations, and Government Incentives

[22:02] – [22:54]

• Kelsi highlights the link between euthanasia and a rise in organ donations, suggesting that protocols have been adapted to minimize organ damage, making donations more lucrative.
• Financial incentives for doctors and governments (with savings projected in the trillions) are driving expansion and protocol changes.

  "Canada's organ donation rates are skyrocketing right now... B.C. is one of the highest MAID rates in the country." (A, 22:54)

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7. Real-Life Cases Exposing Systemic Flaws

The Case of Keanu

[26:04]

• A 26-year-old diabetic with depression was euthanized after failing to get adequate psychiatric care. Sheren claims the family only stopped the first attempt by going to the media, but he was ultimately approved elsewhere.

  "[He] doctor shopped himself to Dr. Ellen Weeb... bought his drugs. Went to an Uber, grabbed his drugs, Ubered himself over to a funeral home and was killed in a funeral home... no family, with nothing else." (A, 27:36)

“Ordering” a Death in Two Minutes

[27:53]

• Kelsi relates her experience calling a funeral home offering euthanasia packages, comparing the speed and nonchalance to ordering a pizza.

Scale and Comparison with Nazi Germany

[32:00]

• Sheren notes that Canada’s euthanasia numbers are approaching those of Nazi-era involuntary euthanasia:

  "By the end of this calendar year of 2026, we'll get 110,000 people we've killed… All of World War II, 200,000 [were killed] in less than 10 years." (A, 32:00)

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8. Ideological Drivers and Cultural Shifts

Targeting Children and the “Track Two” Expansion

[45:51] – [45:53]

• Canada is moving toward legalizing MAID for “mature minors” (potentially as young as 12), where parental input can be excluded if the minor is deemed to have decision-making capacity.

  "Once my kid hits 12, I no longer can protect them from the government killing them if they decide they want MAID because they're depressed." (A, 45:53)

Cultural Attitudes

[41:58] – [44:46]

• The program is used disproportionately by “white, wealthy, and worried,” as opposed to cultures with strong traditions of family elder care.
• The normalization and promotion of death as an escape for inconvenience or expense is described as “a sick society.”

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9. Financial Incentives — Government, Medical, and Familial

Government and Doctor Incentives

[54:32] – [56:00]

• Kelsi and hosts discuss the savings to government, doctors’ incomes, and how stripping the cost of elder care is driving policy support.
• The notion that a family might benefit financially becomes darkly comedic but also deeply troubling ("I'd get a house where the mortgage is paid off"—C, 55:41).

Direct Quote

"The healthcare System's gonna save $1.273 trillion by killing people. That's an incentive... doctors... making their entire livings to the tunes of over $860,000 on just killing people." (A, 76:34)

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10. Conclusions: What Should the Law Be?

[68:00]

• Kelsi's bottom line: Society is not capable—due to ideology, incentives, and lack of proper safeguards—of running a safe and ethical euthanasia program.
• She calls for a complete halt and a turn toward properly funded palliative care, hospice, mental health intervention, and alternatives like psilocybin therapy.

  "We should stop killing people. And we should actually put effort and funding and supports into our healthcare system so people can have the double blind... I do not believe that we could have a protocol across the globe that does this." (A, 68:00)

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11. The Taboo of Death and the Loss of Societal Meaning

[72:55] – [75:47]

• Western society’s discomfort with death is contrasted with more open, ritualized attitudes in other cultures.
• Kelsi contends there is "beauty in suffering and death" and deep meaning to be found, which is being denied by the rush to medicalize death.

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12. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Mental Health:

  "If the only option for healing and passing away is MAID and not palliative care… is that actual healthcare if you can't see a surgeon within an acceptable amount of time to stop the cancer? Is it free will when you don't fully understand how the system works?" (A, 22:57)

• On Expanding to Children:

  "You have to see, this is not about killing grandma anymore. This is about killing everybody who's inconvenient and financially a burden on the system." (A, 45:53)

• On the Psychopathology of Repeat Doctors:

  "There should be a cap on the amount of people you can kill… that's stripper money, guys." (A, 54:32)

• On Societal Breakdown:

  "We've broken down what it means to be a family and a society and a healthy one at that. And we've said all that matters is this over here. Not the fact that she changed your diapers and woke up in the middle of the night..." (A, 57:31)

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13. Timestamps for Key Segments

• Introduction to the Issue and the “Language Problem”: 00:35 – 03:32
• Money and MAID Implementation: 04:57 – 06:53
• Slippery Slope/Elevator Shaft: 07:54 – 09:41
• Advance Requests and Horror Stories: 10:51 – 12:24, [Denmark case]
• Clinical Realities and the Double Blind: 14:14 – 18:38
• Organ Donation and Systemic Expansion: 22:02 – 24:00
• Case Study: Keanu: 26:04 – 28:30
• Ordering a Death in Minutes: 27:53 – 32:00
• Comparisons to Nazi Germany: 32:00 – 32:59
• Expansion to Children/Mature Minors: 45:51 – 46:30
• Discussion on Family and Social Breakdown: 57:31 – 62:55
• Kelsi's Recommendations: 68:00 – 72:00
• Death as Taboo: 72:55 – 75:47

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14. Final Thoughts

• Sheren argues categorically that Western assisted dying programs have already overstepped, are deeply corrupt, and underpinned by ideology and unsustainable economics.
• Her solution: refocus on family, palliative care, mental health, and fundamentally re-examine the value of suffering and care at life's end, rather than default to the medicalization and monetization of death.

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For Full Context: The episode is intense, candid, and sometimes harrowing. It is built around direct personal stories, clinical criticism, and moral exhortation, blending data with impassioned appeals against what Kelsi Sheren paints as a roll-out of eugenics under the guise of compassionate medicine.

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[End of Summary]

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

There's an understandable word for that, right?

[A]

We call it coercion and murder.

[B]

Kelsey Charin, welcome back to trigonometry.

[A]

Hi, guys.

[B]

It's good to have you on. You're here for a third time now. Last time we had a conversation about maid, which is a sister dying, basically, kind of. We'll argue about it later.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But that conversation got huge views because I think it's something that a lot of people are really thinking about. And we talked about it then in the context of Canada, but what I think we've actually seen since then is that this is moving to other parts of the world. In America, in the uk, assisted dying has been a big conversation. So just let's reset and tell the story from the beginning. What is happening with assisted dying around the world now.

[A]

Okay, so we have to start changing the verbiage around what this is. Because when you start to. What's a great word for this? When you start to soften language and you start to say what it is, when you use the word term, Made it sounds very fluffy and very light and very peaceful and you know, all of the dying with dignity. It's not, it's none of that. It's eugenics. It's a eugenics program. And there's a.

[B]

Define eugenics.

[A]

I mean. Oh, great question. There's a technical term and then there's the terminology where you basically get rid of all the difficult eaters, all of the mentally disabled, all of the vulnerable, all of the people that are a burden on the system. That's just a really plain based way to put it, is when you cost the government a lot of money, when you cost society a lot of money, when you're basically not an everyday well rounded person, somebody with als, somebody with down syndrome, somebody with spinal bifida, somebody who's in a, who's a quadriplegic, like a friend of mine in a wheelchair, a friend of mine who has a degenerative disorder gets offered made every day he's in a hospital. So it's like it's, it's less about what does the UN call it and what does it actually mean for a society.

[B]

So what your, your claim is this, these programs are designed to weed out and kill.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

People who are inconvenient to the government, to society because they consume too many resources.

[A]

Absolutely. And they're just not what society wants as a whole because they become a burden. So think of World War I. It was veterans, it was shell shock veterans, it was the women that were difficult. So people like me definitely would have been lobotomized for sure. And then you have the children that were born with some form of ailment. Right. And if you take a look at the way that Canada has been discussing it, and we'll go back to what your question is, is that, you know, even the College of physicians is suggesting 0 to 1 we should be able to euthanize for the, you know, things like down syndrome, for things that are born with like a malformality that are going to cause a lifelong of suffering, even though we don't know that to be true because they can't consent, they have no free will and they're 0 to 1 years old. So we're already suggesting that. That's very, very open topic. It's been in the media now for the past few weeks. The subject has exploded in the past couple months. Thank God. So essentially what has happened since we spoke and prior to when we spoke is Canada has been not the first ones to do this. This is, Canada's just following along the Netherlands following along Belgium, following other countries. The only difference is in some of those other countries, they're already killing children. Right? They're already killing kids with down syndrome and these types of things. Now, Canada has adopted this model in 2016, when, in 2015, the Carter V. Canada case came forward against the Supreme Court. And she challenged the right to be able to die with her doctor's assistance. Now, there's a difference between physician assisted suicide and euthanasia, which is what Canada 99.9% of the time does.

[B]

And what's the difference?

[A]

Okay, so maid, in terms of what we classify it is, is when you have two assessors, two different crazy psychopaths. Cause that's exactly how I define them. And they will go in and meet with you with up to 105 minutes of an assessment where they will deem whether you are psychologically stable enough to be making the cognitive and clear decision to end your life. Okay, two different ones. Now, each one of those is able to bill. And there's a re. I'll come back to this. Is able to bill between two and $300 for that. They bill $50 per every 15 minutes for that assessment. Money matters here. Now, after the two assessments are done, if the approval is done, then you go to the doctor that's actually going to poison you to death and euthanize you. That doctor gets to charge anywhere up to, I think it's around 3, 347, up to $500, depending on their specialty. Okay, so now roughly, if you do one assessment, because you have to have different assessors, you do one assessment plus one of the actual. They call it a procedure. I can't call it. It's medical murder. So it's one. One assesses, another assesses. You can be the person who kills as well there. So now if you then charge for the medication as well, which is $147 under the billing code, you're making roughly about $830 per patient that you're able to bill for that you're able to legally kill. And in the FBI, definable term of a serial killer, it's two separate incidents back to back. We have doctors who have killed over a thousand people in our country who are making over $860,000. Killing over a thousand people. That's not an incentive. You're out of your mind. Now let's forget the savings of the government. That's just one doctor. Okay? So that's how we normally do it now in the States, in America, and the 13 states in the one jurisdiction. So 14 locations of America. The doctor will do this. Do your two assessments, and it's only track one. So track one is the terminally ill only. This is that morality conversation we were having yesterday.

[B]

Well, the audience don't know we were having conversations. Start at the beginning.

[A]

We were having a morality conversation yesterday about things like grandma dying.

[B]

We were having dinner and I said to you, kelsey, I love what you do.

[C]

But.

[B]

But I. When I think about situations that I can envisage quite easily, I think France and I agreed on this. Actually, I can see situations where I would want to be made it quote, unquote.

[A]

Yeah, totally. I mean, if we didn't poison you to death and then paralyze you and then your lungs fill with fluid and then you go into, like, a very painful state of death.

[B]

Okay, you make it sound less appealing than what I had in mind, but

[A]

I'm not going to make death appealing.

[B]

I'm sorry, you get my point, right?

[A]

Of course.

[B]

100% that I think most people actually can envisage situations in which they would want it to be available to them. Thousand percent they'd want it to be available to. Not in, like, grandma's become a bit of a burden. But, like, my dad is in a lot of pain. He's suffering. He's terminally. He's not going to recover from this. Him suffering for the last half year of his life is not what he wants. It's not what I want. It's not what anyone wants. Like, we can all see that, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And your argument was it's a slippery slope.

[A]

No, it's. It's what Michael Malice calls. It's an elevator shaft. We're not a slippery slope anymore. We're beyond. We're so beyond that. We've jumped. We've sent you out of the plane, cut both of your parachutes and say, good luck.

[B]

Explain that.

[A]

Okay, so we started. Canada started. Let me just finish this. In America, they're going to take a cup after you do your two assessments, are going to fill it with poison, and they're going to set it in front of you and say, drink that. Okay, so what do we know about those drugs? We know about those drugs that they're, if not almost identically similar to the lethal injection program, but that's banned in so many states. So then why is it that America wants to have over 50% of its population by 2028, living in states that does this as a medical care option, but we can't do it to People who rape children. Right, Cool. So that's problem Canada does that 1% of the time. Most people don't choose this option because that's no longer devoiding you of the responsibility. That's what you know. When you go to do euthanasia, you lie down, they hit you with two IVs. Hope to God both of these IVs go. Most of the. We have a ton of research around IV failures, having to go emergency rooms, not dying when they're supposed to die. People who were euthanized, leave the family, get in their car, have to be called back in because grandpa shot up and is still alive and gasping for air. This is not a one off. This is not a two off. This is a. It happens decent amount of time. And so that's why there's two maid kits, not one two. Because the first one doesn't always work. So then your whole family and your children and everybody get to witness it. And then the second one, they have to hit you again. Sorry, Grandma didn't die the first time. Let's try again. Do you know how traumatic that is for everybody in a room to witness, including children? And that's why they're targeting children. It's kind of the opposite of the trans. The trans movement. We're going top down to convince kids that we should be okay to kill Grandma, whereas the trans is going children up.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That's why Dying With Dignity has a children's book and a coloring book to justify we should kill Grandma.

[C]

So, I mean, it's such a horrific image.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Look, the question, I guess that we should be asking is how do we know if somebody is able to make that choice? For instance, let's say somebody has lew body dementia or vascular dementia, which is a horrible illness where you lose your. Essentially you lose your mind and you're not able to make those types of decisions anymore. At what point should somebody be able to go, do you know what? I don't wanna die like this. And more importantly, I don't want you to see me die like this. At least give me the dignity of picking how I'm going to die and the method in which I'm going to die.

[A]

Well, dignity is a funny word, isn't it? Right? Because that's the word that we're tossing around right now with this program. Now we have tons of cases. A great example is the Quebec. Quebec people are funny people. They just do whatever they want.

[C]

Well, they're French.

[A]

Well, we know that. But the government does whatever they want. So they started doing advance requests already. Which are federally illegal.

[C]

What is. What's an advance request?

[A]

You and I, at this stage could sit here and say, I have the genetic components for. Or the. The markers for Alzheimer's or dementia, which is a form of. Right. Okay. And I could say, now, in my clear mind, I would like to sign a form that says, when I am no longer cognizant, kill me. And that's happened. Right. And then do you know what happens when that goes wrong? There's a case over in Denmark. This is a great case. It's actually the first story I tell in my book because it just shows right off the bat what is wrong with this. So this elderly woman made an advance request because she knew she was going to be developing dementia. It's a very public case. Daily Mail reported. It's been reported now since, like, 2016, 18. And what happened was. So she went to meet with her doctor, and her doctor gave her a coffee with a sedative in it and didn't tell her, okay? Because she was going in and out. Her family brought her, and they were mating her that day. They were going to murder her that day. So they lie her down and they start the procedure. Well, guess who comes to halfway through the procedure and realizes, I don't want to die. I don't want to die. Do you know what the doctor did? Requested the family hold her down to finish the procedure. And they complied,

[C]

Because that's what we're talking about here, which is that is such a monumental decision that even if you're certain at a certain point, even if you were like, I want to die, it's such a strong impulse. The strongest impulse within us as human beings is to live. It's to survive. So it's an almost impossible decision to make, isn't it?

[A]

Yes. And that's my problem with it, is what? Okay, so when you were looking at societal factors when we're talking about this situation, specifically at the time that she decided to make that choice, because we had this case just happen in B.C. last year, too. And we'll talk about it. Her name is Mrs. B. It's a whole thing. There's a whole bunch of coercion that was just found in the Ontario Coroner Report, where there's several cases where people did not qualify to die or were coerced into dying. Okay? And this isn't me. This is the Ontario Coroner report reported by Dr. Ramona Coela. She's out of Ontario. She's on the May Death Review Committee. Brilliant human, Very smart. Okay. Now, tons of cases, but this case, specifically, the doctor was deemed to do. She didn't get in trouble. They said in the court, you know what she did, what she was supposed to do. You're telling me that you're asking a family member to physically hold down their loved one while they inject them to death. What we're talking about in a society is not, are we killing the wrong people? It's that we are telling people when we deem based on either slow drip manipulation of, you're going to be a burden, you're going to be expensive, you don't want to have to change my diapers. We don't want to be difficult for you, and I don't want to live in that state. But we don't know the mindset that we're going to be in in that state. I have known, and I guess people will say, well, this is anecdotal. Okay, cool. But like, still stories of people who said, I actually applied to maid after I started doing this work in 2020. The amount of emails I get on a daily basis saying I applied for maid. And then I found out and thought deeper about what it was asking of me and why am I not good enough to look after? Society is telling me that I am so much of a burden and will be. And even if I have told myself, why am I not into a system I've already paid millions of dollars good enough to look after. What about palliative care? Why is that being defunded? Why can't I have the double blind as I lose my life? Do you know what the double blind is?

[C]

No.

[A]

Okay, so the double blind, I talked to Dr. Joel Zibit about this. He's the main doctor that came out with the research, the post mortem research around lethal injection patients and what happens with the drugs in America when you euthanize somebody. Okay, he did the post mortem autopy, the largest one in history, over 200 patients, and he was looking at sodium thiopental. Now, to be clear, Canada does not use sodium thiopental. We use other drugs similar to this that cause the same sort of pulmonary edema in the lungs when you use, when you utilize them in the body. Okay, what's a pulmonary. It's basically where your lungs explode. The tiny little sacs, like pulmonary edema. Like it's. You just. Your lungs explode inside and you can hear the gargling and you drown. That's. So he testified to this, okay, in the Senate in Canada. And that was the clip that went viral in Jordan Peterson, where I. I read the piece of paper and I read verbatim what this Senate testimony was. It was from Dr. Joel Zibit. He's the head of Emory State University. He's the head of critical care and anesthesiology. He did this independent research to look at the lungs of patients or victims or prisoners, call them whatever you want, who were euthanized through the lethal injection program. And over 80% of them showed heavy lungs. And that is indicative of waterboarding or drowning to death and only can happen during the procedure. It's not a pre or a post. This is during. But we give you a paralytic and we paralyze you first, so we can't tell it's happening. You can just hear gargling.

[C]

And is the. What is. What do you experience? Do we know what you experience when you are being given that medication?

[A]

Well, we don't, because the dead don't talk. Like, when nobody comes back. And it was like, it actually wasn't that bad. Like.

[C]

But are there some people who may have. Who have experienced it or able to talk for a little bit and then die? Do you see what I mean?

[A]

No, they can't because they're. They're under a paralytic, so their larynx, nothing works.

[B]

And their lungs are full.

[A]

And their lungs are full.

[B]

So, Kelsey, what are you really saying? This comes back to our moral discussion and the real question here, Some of the things you're describing are absolutely horrific, and I think everyone would agree on that. But a lot of them are kind of more implementation side of things. Right? Kind of, aren't they? Right?

[A]

Yeah. Like. Like from the physical component of the actual procedure. Yes.

[B]

So are you saying that there should be no programs that allow people to have the option to take.

[A]

So this is the double blind conversation that we were just going to have. Okay, so the double blind is essentially where if you're in a palliative care facility or a hospice, where you are on your way out, we already know you're going to pass. They'll go to you and they'll say. And I've had several nurs, nurses and doctors and say, kind of do it all the time. Okay. They'll go to you and say so. And so is exhibiting more and more physical pain. And we obviously don't want that. So let me be very clear. I don't want anyone to be in that kind of pain. That being said, I want people to have actual free will and consent and understanding as to what they are doing. And most do not, because this program has been highlighted as some beautiful way to end grandma's life. And it's such a. And I'm so tired of it. The double blind looks like this. Constantine Frances. Grandma's over there suffering. We're gonna increase her morphine, okay. We're gonna increase her morphine so much that there's a good chance her heart rate's gonna slow and her breathing's gonna get more shallow. And as we kind of do that, there's a good chance she's gonna go into cardiac failure or arrest or she's just gonna stop breathing. We're not going to intervene at that point if you guys suggest we don't. We want her to be comfortable, and she will pass almost like an overdose. And then we'll wait, and then we'll check her pulse, and then we'll declare a death. Okay? Why can't we do that? Why can't we do that? Why? Why? Why not? Oh, it's because Health Canada has decided that we should defund palliative care facilities and hospices if you refuse to do maid in them. Delta Hospice Society, 30 minutes from me.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Angelina Ireland. She's spoken on a bunch of shows about it. She was an actual palliative care patient with, like, a terminal illness in this facility. Got better. There's the key right there. Got better. Healed from something we don't heal from. Came out and decided, I'm going to run this place because I can run it better, and did. And then when Health Canada came to her and said, you need to start providing maid, she said, no, on religious grounds, which is supposed to be legal in Canada, but now people are suing hospitals, Catholic and Christian and Jewish facilities, saying, if you don't do maid, we're coming after you. And so they pulled her funding to the tune of, like, over $20 million, and she lost the facility.

[B]

So the difference between increasing the morphine.

[A]

Yes. And passing away. You are pro that I. Yeah, I think it's acceptable. This is my thing. People think I'm so hardlined on this. There is nuance to this, but I've never been really been able to dive into that. That's, like, when.

[B]

Well, I think you are hardlined. But I'm just trying to find out where the line is that you go hard on. Right. And that's kind of the important bit here. So the difference between giving terminal grandma an increased dose of morphine, A, to help her with the pain, but B, also because of.

[A]

We know it's going to help her

[B]

pass away right between that and maid. Explain that. What's the difference between those two things?

[C]

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[A]

So the protocol that's been designed by CanMap, which just be very clear, was designed by a doctor who doesn't we can't study killing because that's eugenics. Like we can't study how to kill people. So don't tell me you know what you're doing because it's not an exact science. We don't measure the pain center of the brain when somebody's being euthanized. So we don't know for a fact that they're not feeling it. We just know they're paralyzed, can't scream, can't move and ask for help. That's what we do know that is fact. We do know that these drugs do cause issues. We know that that is fact. When they're given in the dosages that they are propofol, rekronium, all of these drugs we know they do have a potential to go haywire in the body because you're poisoning Someone to death. That's a fact. What do we know about morphine? When you overdose somebody, they pass away. We know that when you give somebody potassium chloride, their heart stops. We know that. Why aren't we doing that?

[B]

Why aren't we doing that?

[A]

Great question. Because it's a lot easier when you have an organization who has been looked at since 20, was it 1997, to not only just control a population, to get rid of the burdens and the difficult ones, and you have them weasel their way into healthcare systems and hospitals and government and say, forget even doing healthcare. This is Gonna save you $1.273 trillion over the next 20 years if you do it instead of providing that.

[B]

But you could still do it with morphine, right?

[A]

Yeah, but the thing is, you're not gonna make the same amount of money and they're not gonna do it with morphine. They want a different protocol. They wanna make sure it's done a certain way. Because there's an argument around overdosing in organs, right? And not with these drugs. So it's no coincidence that prior to maid, moving on from track one to now, all the vulnerable population of the country, that they were having the argument that as a MAID practitioner, we gotta stop calling them these people, they're serial killers. Cause they've killed more than two in a row. When we talk about it, they weren't allowed to bring up the organ donation. Now it's the first conversation they have. You know, it would be really great if you could just give your liver. You know, that'd be great because the next person in line is gonna get one. So wouldn't that be helpful if you did that? Do you think the organ donation is not a massive part of this conversation? Holy hell. Canada's organ donation rates are skyrocketing right now. You think that's right?

[B]

And what you're saying is if you give someone a morphine overdose, it damages their organs.

[A]

So we don't know that. So here's the thing is we know that normally when somebody overdoses, their body's gonna shut down in a specific way. But when you do it in a very organized manner, like MAID is supposedly done, supposedly done in a hospital, they're wheeled in very quickly and chopped up for parts. Okay, we know that. We know. I talked to Joel Zibit about this a couple weeks ago. I said, so what's the deal with the lungs then? Right? Because lungs are an expensive part of the body. Is this. Is this shutting down the rest? He goes, you know, there are Machines, he goes, there are machines that you put the lungs into right away that will help reheal them and then you put them in the. To somebody, right? Okay. But the liver's still great, the kidneys are still great, the eyes are still great, the skin's still great. All the other organs are very functional. Do we think it's a coincidence that all of a sudden hearts started going from Canada down to America out of nowhere? Do we think it's a coincidence that all of a sudden organs, in terms of donations are skyrocketing in British Columbia at all? No, it's not. Because B.C. is one of the highest maid rates in the country. So it goes. Quebec, Ontario, bc. What correlates all of those har left Liberal voters who are all whites, who are all elderly. Median age is roughly around 70 to a little bit higher, but that's only because we only allowed it for track one for so long, and now we've moved on to track two. So here's my other argument, right? I agree with you. If somebody is suffering, they should have the right to die. I'm not discounting that. But is it healthcare or free will? Okay, if the only option for healing and passing away is made and not palliative care, not hospice, not actual cancer treatment, not sitting on a wait list to the tune of 23,000 people a year dying and over half a million walking out of ERs, is that actual healthcare if you can't see a surgeon within an acceptable amount of time to stop the cancer? Is it free will when you don't fully understand how the system works? Because here's the thing about canmap. They're a charity, right? So Health Canada came in and bought the protocol, the IP to how the maid doctors are educated and trained in the country, but they won't show it to us, even though the taxpayers paid for it. So we don't know what's being taught to our doctors at the College of Physicians. We don't know what the protocol is. We don't know how they're assessing. We do know they have a closed conference that happens once a year. There's one coming up at the end of April in Montreal where they all sit around and talk about how they're going to expand the option to die. So if it was. If it was truly. If it was truly, and I mean this, genuinely Grandma is suffering, we'd be having a very different conversation right now. Because when I first started this work, I was the same way you are. I have a 30% higher chance of dementia and Alzheimer's due to my head injury. A lot of us do. Food factors, lifestyle, all of it. But just from blast exposure. Right? Just take that. I know cognitively there's an option where at a certain point I might want to check out. I am very okay with that idea. I've been suicidal for 10 years. You've heard my story before. But here's the thing. Why didn't it stop there? Why hasn't it stopped there across the globe? Why are we killing kids in Europe? Why in the 2023 Ahmed report from the parliamentary government of Canada, are we suggesting that we euthanize down to the age of 12? And why is the College of Physicians in 2025 suggesting we start euthanizing zero to one? This is just about grandma.

[B]

And I heard this. Wasn't there a story just now? There was this 26 year old guy, he had depression and diabetes.

[A]

Yeah. So Keanu, his mom's Margaret, she is in Ontario. Lovely family. They reached out to me a few years ago when Kiano was 22 years old. And he was qualified from A doctor named Dr. Tepper from Maidhouse because we have killing facilities.

[B]

Qualified? You mean he was approved to.

[A]

Yeah, he was approved by Dr. Tepper at Maidhouse, which is a location where they have one in Victoria and they have one in Toronto. And all you do is you roll your people in and they die. That's all it is.

[B]

And he was approved because he had depression.

[A]

He had seasonal depression. So he had diabetes, type 1. Okay. So he was starting to lose some of his vision but was still functioning. He had other comorbidities that weren't being looked at. He had other mental health issues. He had a lot of drug use. He had a significant lead up. Okay. I know this mother intimately. I know quite a bit about this. And the saddest part was he needed health care. He needed proper psychiatric help regularly. He needed more effort, more time being put into. He's been diabetic his whole life. So then if diabetes is so hard to die from, why was he not euthanized at 6? It was such a problem. Right. Mental health, other factors started coming in. Seasonal depression coming in. If you live in Vancouver, you're always depressed. So I get it. But the real truth is he was type 1 diabetic with seasonal depression. Okay. And he was euthanized when he had a mental health background that was already problematic.

[B]

Did he request it?

[A]

Did he?

[B]

Yes, he did.

[A]

He did request it. Over the age 18, you can request it. Right. But that's not the point that matters. The point that matters is he wasn't being given proper treatment, proper healthcare, a proper protocol and a support network that is supposed to be the gold standard of the world. And the first thing they gave him, and the reason he wasn't killed in 2022, is because his mother went to the media and the doctor freaked out. So if you believe in your heart of hearts, as one of these doctors, that what you're doing is helping people, why would you stop them? Why'd you stop? Why'd you pull back if we expose your name? Because you know deep down what you're doing is wrong. Or at least you had some moral and you just didn't want to be judged for it. So Dr. Tepper said, Nope, I'm not doing it. Okay, 2025 comes around and here's your problem. In Canada, you can doctor shop and you can definitely do it in the States. We'll talk about that too. But you can doctor shop. So if you can't find two assessors in Ontario to do it, you can definitely find them somewhere else. And if you come to bc, Ellen Weeb is just waiting for you. So we know that. So if it's the fact that somebody needs to die and is actually terminal, you shouldn't have to doctor shop your way to convince somebody that you should be qualifying. You just shouldn't. And also, if you have a mental health background, whether it's depression or bipolar or schizophrenia or PTSD or any of these, this should just stop you right. Right off the bat. And you should be assessed by a psychiatrist, a psychologist, but that's not who does the assessments. It's a GP or a nurse practitioner. It's not a trained psychotherapist to look at the background. Right. And so here's how it happened. He found out he doctor, doctor shopped himself to Dr. Ellen Weeb out of the Willow Clinic in Vancouver. It's very known, everybody's. She's been all over the National Post. She brags about it all the time. The best work I've ever done. She talked to Liz Carr in the UK about it in the BBC doc, and it was terrifying. I love killing. It's the best work I've ever done. I mean, she's been doing abortions for 40 years. So, like, all she does is kill. And I did the math on that. She's made millions of dollars of ending lives for 40 years. Okay. This is like her own words, very verifiable public documentation, not saying anything that's not already out there. And she's like in her 70s and she goes, I'll never stop. It's greatest work I've ever done. That screams red flags to me, just personally. So he gets to Ellen, Ellen qualifies him, doesn't ask for his medical background, doesn't ask for his mental health stuff. And then Keanu doesn't tell his family, gets on a plane out to bc, okay. In December. And it's really sad because this is a 26 year old kid who felt like he had no help, no support, even though his mother was the most attentive. Like, I know this family, she was like single mom, but that kid was like her, you know, diabetes. Like always worried, always trying to protect him. And she couldn't protect him from Ellen. And he doctor shopped there. He said, yeah, no. She said, no problem. She wrote the prescription. I have the receipts for the prescriptions. He went and picked them up by himself, bought his drugs. Okay, Went to an Uber, grabbed his drugs, Ubered himself over to a funeral home and was killed in a funeral home by Ellen weep on December 30, 2025, with no family, with nothing else. And then I decided to call said funeral home and I made a video about it and I put it on my Instagram, just set up my phone in the studio and I said, I wonder if they will just be honest about it. So I called and it's called, it's like Kiru K I R U or something. R I O. They're in Vancouver. And you can, you can watch it. It's like a two minute clip. And I say, hi, I'm just calling because I'd like to ask about. I heard that you guys can do maid here. And they go, oh, actually yeah, we can. What's your name? And I was hesitant to give my name because I was like, oh, I don't know if they know. Hi, my name's Kelsey. Like, oh, hi Kelsey. Yeah, we can absolutely do that. We have two packages for you. Actually, we have one where it's about $300 where the doctor will come and do it and we can even handle the procedure and the cremation on site for you too. This took a total of two minutes for me to organize a killing in a funeral home. What? It's easier to order pizza? I can order pizza the same time I just ordered that. Do you understand? And they said that was max was 4.95.

[C]

As the more I hear about this, the more it seems to me that it's just about. It's about money.

[A]

A lot of it is.

[C]

And the fact that it's like you said, it's like ordering a pizza. It's a service that you can get over a phone that takes literal minutes

[A]

to set up that. But now people will argue and this is going to be the pushback. So let me push back before it even starts. I understand maid seems hard to get, but not if you ask friends of mine like Roger Foley or Kayla Pollock or Alicia Duncan's mom. The amount of people who have been mated and done two assessments like that and are fine and then mated and off and they're gone is astronomical. You don't get to almost. We're about to crush. I don't know when this is coming out, but we're about to hit 130,000th death in Canada between April and June. By the end of this calendar year of 2026, we'll get 110,000 people we've killed. And just to put into perspective, when the Germans. Not the Holocaust. Not even the Holocaust. Not in the Holocaust. Not even saying the word. The Holocaust. When the Germans went in, they euthanized the mentally ill and the disabled German population. All of World War II, 200,000 people were less than 10 years.

[C]

And when you talk about it, I just see parallels as well with the medicalization of children in the trans movement.

[A]

This is. Oh, I'm so glad you brought that up. Okay, so this is where the morality stuff starts to bother me. Right. And this is where I get squawky about it. I agree. Grandma's passing away. We should be able to give her morphine. I mean, we probably shouldn't do it illegally in a state that doesn't do it legally and be Gavin Newsom and then admit to killing his mom illegally. We probably shouldn't do that. But he wrote about it in a book, so I'm gonna say it out loud. Cause he did. He admitted to killing his mom illegally, but nothing's going to happen there, so whatever. We also had another doctor, it was Ontario, Quebec, a couple days ago, just get a four month suspension because he mated three people and didn't tell the government about it. Yeah, that's totally fine, right? Or like Kenneth Law, who got a hold of maid drugs and put him on Amazon and is responsible for several deaths across the globe. Semantics. Right, Kels? It's totally fine. So this is the problem. Grandma. Sure. Right. Cool. But why are we doing it early? Great case, Mrs. B. Okay. British Columbia. She applied for maid and she was in her. I think she was like, later, end of life. Her husband had. What's caregiver syndrome? Just exhaustion. Couldn't do it anymore. And during the assessment, she actually came to and she goes, you know, actually based on my religion, I've decided I don't want to do this anymore. I don't want to do it anymore. She was killed the same day.

[C]

And I'm hearing that, and I'm thinking it is surely only a matter of time before this gets blown wide open and we talk about money again. But people are gonna start getting sued, particularly in a country as litigious as the United States.

[A]

Well, and so, you know, for example, Ellen Weeb, I believe, has two criminal cases right now. I was involved in one of the ones getting the family member stopped because she was gonna be killed in the 11th hour. And we were able to get a judge involved in British Columbia to stop that because she was approved on one zoom session, even though she was bipolar. Cycling too. She's doctor shop. She had akathisia. Okay. This was Jordan Peterson made famous with the withdrawal stuff. She had akathisia from a benzo. We're still in touch with her husband all the time. She's no longer with us. But she. We were able to stop it at the time. Doctors can't be charged in Canada the way that the new law works. But in Alberta, they're working on a new law right now. It's going to come out in the next couple of weeks. They're going to announce it. They've told me I can talk about it. It's essentially going to put a stop to track two. Okay, so it's going to keep terminally ill. What you're arguing is like, grandma says she'll have the right to die. But then the question becomes, in society, what happens when we just start to slow drip grandma at her Bible meetings and at her church meetings and at, you know, her doctor's appointments. And we start going. Isn't it just getting hard? Isn't it getting difficult to just your children to show up and. And, you know, look after you all the time? Are you having a hard time walking and eating? Are you just tired? Don't you think that maybe it's just time to. Time to go? We're slow dripping a narrative here. Apple tv, they did a whole episode on Dignitas in Switzerland. There was a whole TV show filmed in B.C. called Mary Kills People about a rogue doctor going around euthanizing people. Do you think this is by accident? This is not by accident. This is not a one off where there's been A wrongful case. The Ontario coroner report found over 400 cases in one province of non compliance. That's just what's reported. This is a self reporting system. The doctors self report. Okay, so what if something goes wrong? They just don't have to say it. They just took a little longer to kill. So America, you think that it would be like that, but America's been mating people since 94, 97. Nobody knows about this. Certain states have been doing it. And you just expanded to New York. So you now have 13 states, one jurisdiction. Right. So who's responsible for that? Because you would think that. You know, I talked to people in the United States State Department. They had no clue. Meaning you have no clue. Why do I have a clue? You don't have a clue. That's crazy. It's because you have a group called Compassion Choices and the Final Exit Network. And these two groups are mammoths. They are 33 to 35 million dollars organizations who have now partnered publicly with the Rabin Group. Do you know who the Rabin Group is? They are the social engineering groups of the big conglomerates of the globe. Think Bill Gates foundation, they work with them. The Obama foundation, they work with them. The BLMs, the BIPOCs, all of those, you know, the huge hard, hard, crazy protests. You see. Who do you think socially engineers that language? And I watched, I watched a whole video. It was crazy. It's totally public. By the way, Compassion and Choices laid out their plan to 2028. And they brought in the person from the Rabin group to talk about how even though Florida doesn't have a bill on the table right now, legislatively, they're going to go in and start slow dripping people in those pockets. Why? Because it's very elderly there. It's why Arizona has a new bill, there's 18 bills actually for expansion. And they have laid out their plan till 2028 to expand so that over 50% of the American population lives in a state where they can get track one death. But then it brings me to Colorado. Okay, Colorado, love that place. They legalize a lot of stuff. Legalize a lot of things, guys.

[C]

They do.

[A]

Yeah, but what about the young girl that had anorexia who was mated because a doctor decided to change the terminology and say terminal anorexia and she was killed with it. What about the person who had the longest death on record that we currently have in America of 137 hours to die after ingesting poison? How peaceful is that? So it's like there are significant amount of these cases. But when you talk about it right now and the amount of locations that actually have this, this isn't like, you know, when I go do all the other shows like, oh, of course it's the left. It's. Those are the left states. I said, really? What about Georgia's new bill? What about all these other new bills that are not left states? What about Arizona? That doesn't feel very left to me. It feels very elderly to me because America's only track one. And as all of the legislators in America and state senators have stated, we just need to get the bill through and we will amend.

[C]

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[B]

Well, actually, I was going to ask you about this.

[C]

I can't.

[B]

I think it might have been when we had British politician Rory Stewart on the show, talked about the fact, I think it was on our show, maybe it was on someone else's show that I'm probably going to get the number slightly off. But the gist of it is correct. Something like 80% of the burden to the health care system comes in, like literally the last five years of your life when. Yeah, right. Is this what is this what it's really about? You've got aging populations all over the western world.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And we basically can't afford to treat people properly.

[A]

Of course. I mean, but here's the thing. We can afford to. If we stop giving billions and billions and billions and billions to other different governments and other different places and we stop, you know, flooding our country with people who don't pay into the tax system but are only become a burden on it because they refuse to participate or assimilate. That's the truth. Okay. Right. Canada is supposed to be the gold standard. We're failing miserably. The only way I got knee surgery last year is because I had Gabby Reese call somebody who called the sports team, who called that person who got me into the doctor, and then I got surgery. Do you think I would have got surgery in Canada? No chance. No chance. No chance. I would still be in a crutch right now. So that's the truth. We have a system. And then we fired all the doctors and nurses who no longer wanna work in it. Then we bring in all of these other people who don't have the same healthcare standard and are perfectly fine to accept, we'll just euthanize. But also, why is it that 96% of the people using maid are white in Canada? Why is it that 95% in people in America using are white? It's because other populations and societies look after their elderly Grandma does at home. You know, you're Latino. Your people look after your people.

[C]

Yeah, they do.

[A]

Yeah. There's no chance.

[B]

Everyone who's watching our show for the first time is looking at Francisco and he's Latino.

[A]

Fun facts. I'm telling secrets now, but for real, think about it. I have.

[B]

You're totally right.

[A]

I had this conversation with Michael. I said, don't put me in a nursing home.

[B]

He goes, honey, I'm black this year of fiance, right?

[A]

Yeah. And he goes, I'm black. And I said, huh? And he goes, no, you'll die on the couch with like the rest of us. Like, we don't, we don't put you in nursing homes. We don't exclude you from the family. Grandma can be cranky, but she'll be cranky over there. Do you know what I mean? Like, we're not going to do that. You look at the Indian population that's exploding in Canada and the Middle Eastern population, they don't. I mean, you leave the religion, they'll stone you to death. But they definitely will not. They definitely won't let you Die like that, right? So. But that's the truth. Canada is slightly aggressive towards its more native population. And that's not even just like white people. Now they're coming at like looking at indigenous expansion, right? They're looking at the mentally great, mentally ill. Okay, 2027, March of 2027. Don't get me wrong, there's a bill in place right now called Bill C216 that looks at stopping the expansion in March of 2027. But this is just an, you know, it's been pushed. It was supposed to be 2024, now it's 2027. Okay? They're looking at the only qualifying factor you need is mental illness. So it's no longer a physical thing. I no longer have to be terminal. And with track two, you don't have to be terminal anyway. So it goes, grandma, track one, killing grandma up here. Track two, people like me who look like we're fine, if we have a disability, we can claim it. Irremedial and grievous condition is what they state. So Kayla Pollock is a quadriplegic. Okay, but that was only recent after she got a certain thing a couple years ago, and then eight days later she stopped moving fully. Okay, but you know, I'm crazy. So they offer it to her when she goes into the doctor all the time. She's never asked for it, never once asked for it, by the way. Then you got Roger Foley, a buddy of mine. He was just born with a degenerative disorder, but Health Canada won't give him the funding or the government won't give him the funding to have proper at home care. So he has to live in London Ontario Hospital. I have audio recordings of the doctors coming in almost daily, offering it to him almost daily. You know, Roger, it's just. You really look like you're struggling here, bud. Have you thought of. And he'll say, don't talk to me about that. How many times do I have to tell you I'm not going to die. But we'll give the person who came in who hasn't been checked, right, $86 million a year. But we won't help this guy. So it's like, don't tell me everybody's asking for it. They're not. They're being offered it. What about the veterans we exposed in 2021? I just testified last couple months ago at the very first veteran suicide study in the Parliament of Canada. They still keep bringing me in. I don't know why. I feel like they've learned their lesson. They don't. But we have over 20 veterans on record with affidavits with me who have been offered it instead of treatment, even though they haven't asked for it.

[B]

Well, right. Once you make it medically available, I mean, why wouldn't the doctor offer it to you?

[A]

Right? Right. Why wouldn't they? So that's my point. So, grandma, people who don't actually need to die, who are just struggling financially with homelessness, which we have records of that too, of people who are struggling with mental illness. But that's their underlying condition, guys, not their main condition. Let's be clear. March 2027 is just mental illness. So that's like all of your veterans, all of your addicts, all of your homeless. That's like all of the seasonal depression people. I'm depressed. Okay, cool. So I guess my. My thing is, is we thought, okay, well, if we. It's just grandma, then we should stop here. It would make sense. Yes, but we haven't. So then why in the 2023 admin report and with Sickkids Children's Hospital, are we discussing mature minors?

[B]

Why is that part of it happening?

[A]

Kelsey, I think our society's sick. I. I'm not even being facetious, guys. I'm. I'm so. I lose sleep over this for a reason. We as Canadians don't really own. Own our children. We don't really have consent to our children. The government can take our kids, right?

[B]

So what do you mean?

[A]

Okay, so like say, like anything could happen, right? Like say, for example, my kid wants to transition and they're under the age of 18. Well, the school can block that, right? You know, Billboard Chris talks about this a lot. Chris Elston's a friend of mine and he talks about this a lot. He's like, you guys can. They can socially transition him. They can do all of that. And if he really deems that kid's like that kid deems that, you know, I'm not safe. I want puberty blockers. They can just. The government can remove my child from me, okay? Because I no longer have parent consent. So then Sickkids Hospital, and again, I got a whole package for Billy for this one sick kid hospital states emphatically that at the age of 12, your parent consent and ability to see your kids medical records and make decisions is out the window. Bye. Bye. Unless your kid says so. So it's just ironic timing how mature minors, even though there is not legislation, have already been discussed in Parliament in the Ahmad report. Very, very, very well. And that's the part right here where it says that the government of Canada establishes a requirement that where appropriate the parent or guardians of a mature minor be consulted in the course of an assessment process for maid, but that the will of the minor will have found to have the requisite decision making capacity and ultimately take priority. Parents or guardians may or may not be consulted. So you're telling me that my 12 year old when mature minors is legal because it's already being brought up. This isn't like a maybe, it's a when because we're in a when situation now. Once my kid hits 12, I no longer can protect them from the government killing them if they decide they want MAID because they're depressed. You think that's a coincidence? You think it's coincidence that the head of the college of Physicians for the government and for the country is saying that we should euthanize kids 0 to 1? You have to see, this is not about killing grandma anymore. This is about killing everybody who's inconvenient and financially a burden on the system and to society. That's terr. That's terrifying alone. Forget the numbers, forget the death count, forget the money. We are a sick society that accepts that instead of looking after our loved ones, our family members, our. Even when they're difficult and it's hard and it's heartbreaking and it's financially just disturbing when you live in Canada to try to even look after anyone, forget someone who's sick. You're telling me we're supposed to tell them to give up and die? That is not a healthy society. That is not a moral argument anybody can have with me. After track. After track one. You go after track one. You and I will never agree because that's telling me that we should tell everyone to give up and die. We used to have suicide. Used to be like the main thing. We focused on stopping. Now we're promoting it like it's like it's no problem. We're doing same day deaths in Canada. Yes. You know this? Oh yeah. We're fun. We're fun people. So you can't see a pediatrician, an orthodontist, a dentist, an eye doctor. You can't go to the ER. Average waiting time is 13 to 18 hours. But you can have made within 24 hours as track one. With assessors, you can be killed by the same day. And we have tons of it on record. Over 200 of them, actually.

[C]

Kelsey, how much of this? Because we've looked at the financial aspect of this again, the comparisons with trans medicalizing the transmedicalization of kids. It rings. It just. Everything that you talk about sets alarm bells going off in my head, obviously. How much of this is ideological is what I'm trying to say.

[A]

Super ideological. That's what I. That's why I'm so aggressive online. There's a difference between having a conversation with somebody about grandma dying and helping grandma pass on, and protocols, by the way, and that are in place that can help with that. For example, it's called the Special Access Program of Canada. I'm actually one of the recipients of the special act. There's like 180 of us. And I wanted access to regulated psilocybin because they wanted to give me electroshock therapy for my treatment. Resistant depression. And I said, that sounds crazy. I'm not gonna do that. But they said, well, you have to do it before we'll give you mushrooms. And I went, no. So anyway, I got approved long and short. But the majority of people, and I mean high, 90%, don't get approved. But it is specifically, that program is designed for terminally ill. It is designed for the terminally ill to help them transition out of life to sit with activated regulated psilocybin in a structured sentence setting to help them cope with coming to the end. But we don't allow that. You have to go. That's one of the most difficult programs to go. And it takes thousands and thousands of thousands of dollars and medical records and lawyers to help you get it. The average Canadian can't get access to that, but we have it. We just say, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's too hard to get, so you don't get it. But we can give you maid in the same day if you're terminally ill, no problem. So, like, it is a. It's a societal issue where we have picked the fastest exit ramp, the most efficient exit ramp, and we have started to slow roll it into our culture. So, like, on Twitter, people hate me. I don't care. But they hate me because my pushback is. They say, well, my grandfather was dying, and he was very painful, and it was one of the most peaceful things we've ever seen. And I thought to myself, you understand, you're talking about a doctor who you're supposed to trust coming in, killing a loved one, sitting around while it's happening and acting like that's okay. It wasn't like he was dying and they were doing CPR and you just couldn't get him. Couldn't get him back. That's traumatic too but the amount of families I sit with who say, kelsey, it was one of the most horrific experiences I've ever witnessed, the person looked peaceful. So I'm glad they're not in pain anymore. But something inside just kept saying, this is wrong, this is wrong. Doctors are supposed to help us, but now we're. We flipped it on its head where now we accept doctors to kill us. And there's something fundamentally wrong with that, in my opinion. And that's why there's things called survivor's guilt and sanctuary trauma. Because when you have a society that's supposed to trust something as a medical staff, that they're going to help you and heal you and do no harm, but every time you see them or they're around, they start offering you maid. Why didn't you take it? Why wouldn't you take it? It'd be easier for your loved ones. We have fundamentally slid morally. And everybody wants me to accept it. I won't accept it. Because track one is grandmothers and grandfathers and people who are days away from passing away. Why can't they have hospice and palliative care? Because we defund it. So is it free will? Is it choice? Is it actual health care if the only option on the table is death? No. No, it's not. It's a funnel. It's a funnel. Can't get into the doctor, can't get drugs to help you with your pain management, can't get help as you're going on your end. Ultimately just goes to a point, and the point is made. It's medical murder. That's what it is. And then just quick question, because this is the morality issue. Why are we not requiring our doctors after they kill someone, to meet with a psychiatrist to make sure they're okay? Because we don't. But if I came home from overseas or a police officer did a shooting, the first thing we have to do is sit down and do a debrief. After. After the deaths I had with the British military, the first thing we got back to the base, we had to sit down and they go, we have to talk about what happened. Walk through every step of it, make sure you're okay. Make sure everyone's stories lines up and make sure that you're psychologically sound. But then you have a doctor who's admitting to killing over a thousand people. Which, by the way, just fun fact. Canada has over 2,200 maid killers and assessors. Okay? Now we don't know what they're being taught again, because the IP is protected. You can't see it unless you're a doctor and you've done the course. We don't know what the course is, so we don't know what they're teaching them at canmap. Health Canada bought a program that it's not even allowed to see. They don't know what's being taught, but it's being ruled out to every doctor and every nurse. Okay, so that's just one piece of the puzzle. They don't require psych evaluations before they start becoming mate assessors. Then they also don't check with them and go, hey, maybe 350 deaths is a little much. Maybe there should be a cap on the amount of people you can kill. Because now we have doctors who are making their entire livings to the tunes of over $860,000 on just killing people. So if there's an incentive to make money for you as a practitioner doing one or two maids a day, I mean, that's like a couple grand a day. That's stripper money, guys.

[C]

And we're talking about financial incentives. We're not all. What we haven't addressed is the financial incentives of the family. So I'll give you. I've never spoken about this, but my mother is disabled, my father is elderly. Thankfully, this show is doing very well and I'm able to support them.

[B]

You've been able to euthanize them.

[A]

That's basically what it's like.

[C]

And I've never been happier.

[A]

Such a terrible.

[C]

I've never been happier.

[B]

I feel so bad making that joke, but it had to be done.

[C]

It had to be done.

[B]

But the show is doing very well. Off to Switzerland.

[C]

Yeah. Anyway, bye, Mummy.

[A]

Very expensive at Dignitas too.

[C]

Yeah, I know, I know. But we pay Ryanair, so it works out cheaper. Oh, I love you guys anyway, but it's a horrific thing to say on a purely financial level for me. I wouldn't have to pay for carers. I wouldn't have to pay for cleaners. I wouldn't have to pay for people to come around to check they're okay. I wouldn't have the worry where I am now, sitting here in America, hoping that they're okay and everything's going all right.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I also guess what, I'd be able to get a house where the mortgage is paid off.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, you've really thought this through, mate.

[A]

Yeah, he's really. There's been a deep conversation.

[C]

You know, I was. That's why. Yeah. Thinking, going, tick, tick, tick.

[A]

Hey, Kelsey, we should just I need to get on board here.

[C]

Yeah, you need to stop talking about it is what I'm saying. But not. But in all seriousness, I know those are some very real financial incentives for people.

[B]

And we know, I mean, we do know objectively, incentives are the most powerful force in the universe.

[C]

Right. I'm going to level with you. I'm not a gamer, even though I look like one. I'm not going to pretend I've been grinding through RPGs between recordings. Although I have strong opinions about which Final Fantasy was the best one. I think it's Japanese and I think there's a sword that's genuinely everything. I know. But our social media guy showed me this app and I genuinely thought that's quite clever. It's called Snaxy. Basically, game publishers need new players and they're willing to pay to get them. Snaxy just passes that money onto you. You play games you were probably going to play anyway. You earn coins and you cash them out for real rewards. PayPal, Amazon, Netflix, cash gift cards if you prefer gaming credit, you can redeem for PlayStation, Xbox, Steam and Nintendo. Actual money, not just points that expire. It takes a few minutes to set up. You open the app, swipe through the game offers, pick something that looks decent, play it, earn, redeem. That's the whole thing. There's a sign up bonus worth up to $10 if you use our link, which is in the description of this episode. That's S N A K Z Y Snacksy. Click the link in the description to get started and when you sign up, use the code triggerpod. That's T R I G G E R P O D to claim your $10 bonus. And the app is mobile only, so click the link from your phone, not your laptop.

[A]

And people can argue with me all day. They can say, well, that's conspiratorial. We have the money, we have the. We don't, our governments. So here's the thing, that's a failure of our society, right? It's a failure of our society where we've made things so expensive, so difficult, so hard to look after your loved ones. But I mean, it could be the same, it could be the same thing. You know your mother had you, right? I'm sure you were expensive, she has

[C]

told me many times, right?

[A]

I'm sure you were expensive. I'm sure sports or activities. Well, you're a brickworm, so books were expensive, you know, I'm sure the cost of living and being an immigrant in the UK was expensive. She could have chose to probably give you up or abort you or make all these choices, right? This is what happens in life, my friend. Things are expensive and our loved ones matter. And we can't quit on them because of dollars. Do you know what I mean? Like. But, like, truly, I understand what you're saying. I mean, like, the only reason I got medical help was cause American Charities helped me. I couldn't afford my help, you know, brain treatment. 20,000 here, lawyers for this over here. 10 grand here. 20 grand here. No, like, I can't afford that. I couldn't afford that. When I was getting better, I would have died. And if maid was here, I've told you this before. I would have taken it 100%, hands down, no questions asked, because I was in such a state. But that's the point. The people we're now targeting are not Grandma. They're the people who. When you are in a depression state, I'm just gonna say. Cause there's more people in the room. If you've ever been depressed. Sometimes taking a breath is hard. And making it to the end of the day is excruciating. And the idea of waking up tomorrow is like, you just. I can't do another day like this. And when you're really in the depths of hell and you sit there long enough, anything feels like relief. But shouldn't we be holding those people and saying, it's gonna get better, dude. There's gonna be another day tomorrow. Let's take a look at your food. What are you eating, man? Are you getting out? Have you been around your friends? Are you secluding yourself? Are you on Twitter? Are you just arguing with people? Because I argued with people for the past two days. I gotta stay away for a minute. Cause I just feel gross. Because grossness is gross. But it's like. But that's the truth is, like, we're now talking to people who can't see past the next day and going, but this will be better. But that's the reality. That's not like, maybe doing it. Keanu, he thought about that for years. So I understand it's expensive. And I'm sure your mother and your family are unbelievably grateful. But I know on the back end, you're starting a life and you want to grow and you want to do these things, and you're like, well, you know, I feel bad, but maybe it's holding me back temporarily. But what held her back when you were born, right? Yeah. So she gave then, and you're giving now. That's the whole point of family. But we've broken down what it means to be a family and a society and a healthy one at that. And we've said all that matters is this over here. Not the fact that she changed your diapers and woke up in the middle of the night and used to take you to play dates and listened to you speak in multiple different languages, even though you sounded like a lunatic and were rambling on about something you cared deeply about, like the school system or the yada, yada, blah, blah, she sat through all of that for you. So why can't we do it to our level and sit through that with them? And why is it that we can get access to same day death care but I can't get grandma a mushroom for her to sit in her feelings, in her thoughts, with her loved ones and going, this is gonna be hard, but we're gonna be right there with you all the way through and we're gonna have access to the right pain care and the right medications. So, yeah, you may be a little groggy. We're gonna hold your hand all the way through. Why can't we do that? And why have we accepted that? Why have we accepted that we should be, we should be taking our family members and giving up? Because that's what it is. Like, that's the truth. Like, look, if somebody requests it and they're 86 and they're in full compliance and understanding what they're doing, which most aren't though, because there's always somebody whispering in the ear, whether it's a doctor, a family member, whatever. So it's like it can never really be free will. I don't believe it can be. It's too baked into our society. So one of the things that Alberta's new law is coming in that they're proposing and putting forward is stopping at track one, like you're talking about stopping track two, making it so that you can't even advertise at a hospital anymore. Because dying with dignity goes to the universities, the death doula programs. Right? And they do all of this. You know, they even go to churches now. I leaked it last year. We caught them advertising made to a RCMP veteran group who were already struggling with PTSC. Over 800 members they sent an email to. They did not like that. I found that. But doing it at a church. So like, what are we doing? So, you know, when I talk about the morality side of things, of course people wanna say that grandma and grandpa have the right to die. Yeah. Everybody has the right to end their life and die. But why are we accepting it past that, right? Why are we accepting the mentally ill? Why are we accepting the homeless and the addicts and now mature minors? Which is just a disgusting, really bad term by the way, because legally they say down to the age of 12, but when you actually read the fine print, age isn't, doesn't matter. It's if the assessors deem the individual has the capacity and ability to understand the decision they're making. What 11 year old friends, come on,

[B]

11, what, 18, what 25 year old? But that's my teens. It's. This is, I mean, I am very troubled beyond just this issue by the idea that, that you are extending a level of responsibility to young people that are just fundamentally, just neurologically not there yet. We know that and we are now. I mean, in the uk, six like politicians are so cynical about this. The labor government is extending the right to vote to 16 year olds.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Only because they think 16 year olds will. And by the way, they're turned out to be wrong because 16 year olds are voting for the Green Party, which is even further left than they are. Right, right. But, but cynically this is what they do. And I think it's kind. There's something's happened in our society where actually adulthood has been postponed for longer and longer and longer. So people in their 30s and early late 30s are considered young people now and in many ways they are because they're like adulting or whatever the stupid word is adult maxing, whatever the fuck that means. Right. And on the other hand, you're now saying as a 12 year old, you can decide what sex you are, you can decide all of this stuff. I just, I mean it's hard to disagree with what you're saying about becoming a Sikh society. And I think by the way you're pointing out that this is something that happens within some communities and not others. And I think the breakdown isn't skin color. The breakdown is traditional society, traditional community, non traditional.

[A]

Right, yeah, they just go off of. When we're looking at stats and we're looking at the death numbers and things like that across like the country of America, of Canada and of others, they go, you know, they give. Well, we have all the data. Right. So we know if you're a highly educated individual, we know that if you're white, we know if you're black, we know if you're ethnic, we know you know if you're homeless, we know, we do know these things. So it's just funny. It just happens to be that a friend of mine, Alex Schattenberg, runs the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition. And so, so many people think that I'm just like a YouTuber now that yells about a subject I know nothing about. When I have like extensive scientific backgrounds with individuals who not only just give me information, feed me information, help me understand said information, how it could have a broader impact on the globe. And Alex has been one of the mentor, my mentors in that subject. And he's been doing this for 30, 40 years, right? He said one to me the other day. He goes, it's the three W's. It's like the white wealthy and worried, right? It's the white, wealthy and worried that are using this. It's not the people who are poverty stricken, even though they're being targeted for sure, right? There was a guy in Toronto who couldn't afford his home anymore. So we applied for maid. You know, we had another girl. This was one of those non compliant cases, right, where she had chemical sensitivity syndrome. So what's that? It's basically where like you're, like you're chemical. It's like she's allergic to pretty much everything and she couldn't get proper housing so she applied for maid, right? Like was mated. So like we have these crazy cases of like we had an obese lady that was mated, you know, for the fact that she was obese. Like we, we have all of these people, we have people who even though on the, on the, on the record they didn't have a mental illness but their secondary was. So that was legal because that's, that's not legal, Kelsey, till March 2027. So you have to be very careful. Okay? But like they have an entire record of bipolar. So like why wasn't that considered into the fact that, oh, maybe they were on medication or they are now off of said medication and they're spiraling out of control. What about the veterans who have PTSD that are offered it? They didn't ask for it. When they said made to them, they thought like a cleaner. Because we get cleaners, we get help with cleaning and stuff. So this is, I guess my point. So I think we're actually in agreeance that people who are terminal and have, you know, normally the waiting period is 90 days for track two. Right? But you can fast track that by just saying a few different words. So when they say that Canada has the most strict safeguards on the globe, even though that's what Scotland's parliament is basing Their. Their law off of is the Canadian side of things. And there is almost no, and I mean, like, no support in terms from the medical community in Scotland for this. Even though the government is very similar to Canada, they're modeling it off the Canadian side. There's almost no support. The medical staff, everybody's kind of come out and said, like, we don't support this. And they're still trying to push it through. When you have people that are arguing that everybody should have the right to die, this is so much bigger than grandma and grandpa. You have significant amount of cases that need to be addressed where individuals are being coerced by their loved ones. Somebody even lost his wife's ability. This was in British Columbia. He planned for a maid death for her. She did not want it. The police had to step in. Okay, so this is what I'm saying.

[B]

There's kind of a word for that, right?

[A]

We call it coercion and murder. But that's, you know.

[B]

So, Kelsey, ultimately. Yes, wrapping this up then.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

What do you think should be the law around this stuff? Because the reason that we've brought you on again to talk about this is this is clearly something that is spreading to other countries, including the countries that all other people watching this are living in. What should be the right framework for this? Should there be any euthanasia, sister dying, whatever you want to call it?

[A]

So I always try to say it really carefully because I think it's. People hate this when I say it. And they go, well, you're a hypocrite. You went to war. I get it. I learned a thing or two. We should stop killing people. We should stop killing people. And we should actually put effort and funding and supports into our healthcare system so people can have the double blind, so people can have hospice and palliative care, so that they can have access to regulated psilocybin, which we know helps with end of life care. We should have tools in place. Now, I believe in the double blind as an option. Is that a legal medical thing? No, but we understand morphine and fentanyl a little bit better than we understand rekronium and hard lar. You know, large doses of propofol and what the lungs are showing and Canadian autopsies, people say those are just a made. When I brought up that stat, people said those were American, Those were American death. Those are American drugs. But, you know, Alicia Duncan's mother's autopsy shows the same thing, and she was killed in Canada and Abbotsford. So, you know, we just to get those Autopsies. You actually have to almost sue Frazier Healthcare and other healthcare systems because they won't release them. So like, why, why wouldn't you release them if there's nothing funny in them? That's one point. No, I think right now we are in a place where, because of how our governments are choosing to look at human beings and whether we value them or not. I don't believe there is a time right now that we could trust a system with a program like this, which is a eugenics program. I don't believe we are in a place to ever trust it because humans are humans and humans make mistakes and humans can be manipulated and propagandized and changed into believing X or Y or Z. And the only difference I would say between the trans and. I just think I'm early to this and this is why it sounds like lunacy. And Jordan was early to this with the university stuff and like the. And he was like, people are like, he's crazy. But here's the difference. Trans stuff comes from the bottom up. We tell our kids really early that they're a cat and then they can be a they them in a table. Cool. We've gone the most vulnerable sides of society. Trans down here, maid is up here. So we've said, well, this little child has said it, so we have to abide by it. That asks to change their diaper. And grandma's struggling so hard and we don't want to see her. Do you see the two empathetic scales we're pulling on? Right? So we're just going top down. And this went top up, I mean bottom up. So I don't think the way our world is right now, the way our governments are breaking down, our healthcare systems are breaking down, and our lack of support for hospice and palliative care and proper medical intervention and timely access to healthcare providers who are not manipulated into making crazy incentives, financial incentives. I do not believe that we could have a protocol across the globe that does this. And you could say, well, the Netherlands and everyone's been doing it since the 40s, okay? But they've always killed people and they're still killing kids. And nobody seems to have a problem with that over there. I as a Westerner have a real problem with the idea that my 12 or 13 or 14 year old or even me in my 40s or 50s, when my brain isn't fully there, somebody around me could take my decision making capacity and have me killed. And don't tell me it's not happening because we have records of it. So people can be manipulated. And I am genuinely concerned that if this continues to go, like I said, Canada hasn't even hit mental illness yet. And in less than 10 years, we've killed 100,000 people. That's not a small number. The United States is roughly around 19,000. But because it's just expanding. But the 13th state and the jurisdiction which makes 14 locations, that's just the starting point. And Compassionate Choices has said it clearly, this is not small. You have a governor, you have a sitting governor right now who admitted to illegally killing a family member in his memoir and participating in it, and then because of those feelings, legislated that same protocol in his state. And nothing has happened to Gavin Newsom. So if doctors like the one in Ontario and Quebec, or I think it was Ontario, the one that just got in trouble, only got a four month suspension for mating people and not reporting it to the government or telling anybody about it can get away with it here. If Ellen Weeb can get away with it, if Stephanie Green can get away with it. If people can get away with it, they will get away with it. So, no, I don't think humans can handle a protocol like this. We saw it with eugenics the first time. Didn't go well. We're just not learning from it. We're just doing the same things and saying, this is modern medical care, guys. So, no, I'd like to think we could, but I don't believe that our society is in any way equipped as it sits to have the idea where your doctor should have the right to kill you. That's kind of insane and feels like an oxymoron to me.

[C]

Do you think part of the problem as well, Kelsey, is the fact that death is such a taboo topic in the West?

[A]

Yes.

[C]

In the way that it is in many other cultures.

[A]

I love that you brought that up. I know you want to wrap up because I talk too much, but the. You're so right. There's so much to be said about that. That's a real thing, right? Where if you look at these other cultures, you know, death is a very normalized thing. They still burn bodies in open public. You know, India does it a certain way. Your culture does it a certain way. Death in the more Latino cultures is not something to be feared. In a way. I don't know your deal. I. I don't. I don't know how the Russians.

[B]

It's fact of life. What are you gonna do?

[A]

You feel nothing. You die.

[B]

No, you feel pain, then you die.

[A]

Then you die. Yeah, you must.

[B]

You feel sad, then die.

[A]

Exactly like, but can't. Like. But that's the thing, right? We have told people this gives them control back. We've told this. It removes suffering. But I've said this before, and I think it's important to state when you were born and when you came into this life, whether it was a choice or not. Nobody ever said you would be devoid of some form of suffering. And there is, regardless of the level of suffering, something to be learned. I've known friends who have lost three limbs and are still laughing about it. It helped them see the world in a different place and be grateful to be here. I have gone through it where I've wanted to die every waking minute of my life. And now I see life as this incredibly precious thing that I would refuse to ever give in and give up to. But the idea of death for me, because I've sat with enough psychedelics and faced death enough times, I don't fear it. I don't fear it because I know it's a natural part of where I am going. And by definition, the second you come out of the womb, you're palliative. Okay? So. But if that's. If we're talking about definable terms and how we qualify people, well, you're in a palliative state. Okay, but what is palliative then? Truly, you know, So I think that we have a taboo around sex and culture in the west and around death and what happens in death. And we fear it. And we go, we. I need to be. I need to be in control of my death. Who says. Who gives you that right? Do you get to play God? Because that's what it's doing. You're playing God. And we even had a doctor on Vancouver Island. I just wrote about him last week on my sub stack who talked about. He goes, if I thought there would be. There's a quote. He goes, if I thought there'd be a God, I wouldn't be doing it. If I thought there would be a God, I wouldn't be doing it. But I know there's no God, and if I can do the same thing as him, I'm going to keep doing it. So it's like there's going to be sick people who will take lives and justify it. But when it comes to our society, you know, I'm sure there's better answers to this. But I think we don't understand death and understand that there is beauty in suffering, in giving life. And I'll remind me of this in two months. Okay.

[B]

For the listeners. She's due soon.

[A]

Yeah, can't wait. Tell. And then I think there's also, as hard as it is for people to wrap their brain around, of beauty and death and leaving our earth and what you leave behind and what you've done with the time that you've had here. And so regardless of what people say, well, Grandma has the right to die. You're right for sure. But I think we owe it to our society and our people to go. If we're going to do this, it has to be better. Research has to be better studied. I don't think we should. That's me personally. But the idea that we should be accepting children and the mentally ill and the disabled and the homeless and the addicts, like Canada is already doing. You can't. We'll never. Will never. I'll never agree. I'll never agree to that.

[B]

Kelsey, what's the one thing we're not talking about?

[A]

Guys, I try really hard to prepare for you. I think we do need to have a discussion. I know we talked about it very briefly, but we do need to have a real discussion around the financial incentives of what suicide as a healthcare option gives to people. And again, I know we went through it. It may seem monotonous and small, but when you actually start to understand the amount the government makes. Right. There was a Western report I talked about on Jillian Michaels that got a lot of attention. And it was. They said it was an if situation, but we're no longer in an if situation. Based on the law here is that if we continue to go down the path which we are, we're gonna save. The healthcare System's gonna save $1.273 trillion by killing people. That's an incentive. We also need to be talking about how much money these doctors, excuse me, are actually making. Because if there's an incentive to only kill people financially, what is the point of healthcare at all? Why would they heal? Why would you do studies and research? Why would you do any of these things? And so I think there's a deeper conversation around the organizations who are deemed charitable, people who are spending $700,000 to $800,000 on Facebook advertising death as a solution and an option which I have proof of as well. Dying with dignity does that, and so does compassion. And ch. They, like I said, they work at the Raven Group and they're worth $30 million. We should be asking why it's okay for them to go into these vulnerable spaces and drop hundreds of thousands of dollars on advertisement when my company Brass and Unity is not allowed to advertise because we're ammunition. But Facebook and Meta allows Dying with Dignity to advertise to young vulnerable populations who are on Facebook and Instagram. That made as a solution with things like their children's coloring book. So we can argue morality till we're blue in the face. But the fact of the matter is people are incentivized by money. And I think the money con needs a deeper look because this is something I found just two days ago about how much a doctor can actually make. And then I did the math on the amount because 50% of those hundred thousand deaths are done by only 350 people. So if 350 people are killing over 50,000 people, we should be having a conversation about the incentive, the psychological state of our doctors, and why we are fully allowing psychopaths to walk around Canada in white coats. It's concerning to me.

[B]

All right, head on over to triggerpod.co.uk where we continue the conversation with your questions. How close are we to soil and green with assisted death and green colored powdered drinks on sale as the nutritional supplement I feel made is a slippery slope that cannot be turned back. It's bad for the spiritual health of humanity.

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Sam.