Meghan Markle, Brigitte Macron, Piers Morgan and Feminism - Christina P

Summary

TRIGGERnometry Podcast Summary

Episode: Meghan Markle, Brigitte Macron, Piers Morgan and Feminism - Christina P
Date: December 21, 2025
Hosts: Konstantin Kisin and Francis Foster (Francis Bourgeois & Dave Chappelle cited in transcript)
Guest: Christina P.

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Overview

This episode features comedian Christina P. in a lively conversation that touches on culture wars, feminism, immigration, class systems, the monarchy, and the changing nature of comedy and society. Anchored by the hosts' British perspective and Christina's American outlook, the discussion is energetic, unscripted, and unapologetically frank. Together, they peel back layers of contemporary social dynamics, generational divides, and what truly makes women (and men) happy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Culture Wars, Wokeness, and Cancel Culture

• Initial Thoughts on Wokeness:

  • Christina recalls being a '90s liberal, shocked that her positions are now considered conservative.
    • “I always considered myself a 90s liberal, and then now that's considered conservative.” (00:02, 75:01)
  • Discussion of how “woke” culture has both positive (more openness for nonconformity) and negative (loss of eccentricity, fear of speaking) aspects.
  • Christina references early “cancelling” — Michael Richards’ infamous 2005 incident — and how her father likened it to the creep of communism and censorship.
    • “This is how it was before the communists came. The slow drip.” (03:06)
  • Hosts note a tightening of societal tolerances post-COVID, especially noticeable in places like Los Angeles (mask-wearing, residual trauma, etc.).

• Mental Health & Social Media:

  • Christina jokes about identifying “mentally ill” people by their persistent mask-wearing.
    • “I love that. Cause I’m like, oh, you’re mentally ill now. I can identify.” (09:00)
  • Commentary on how TikTok has become a primary news source, for better and worse.

• Loss of Eccentricity & Artistic Freedom:

  • Christina laments sanitized music and art, eulogizes figures like Karl Lagerfeld as the type of “eccentric” figure disappearing from the public sphere.
    • “We’re going to lose out on artists. … Art is suffering for it.” (15:11)
  • Taylor Swift is described as “buttered noodles” — competent but safe and bland. (15:11)

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2. Comedy, Media, and the Information Economy

• The Shifting Comedy Landscape:

  • Christina breaks down a feud between “club comics” and “liberal/alt comics.”
    • Club comics did the unglamorous circuit, liberal comics enjoyed Hollywood favors — until podcasting knocked Hollywood down the comedy hierarchy. (19:13–21:19)
  • Comedians as reluctant opinion-makers: Podcasts like Joe Rogan becoming dominant sources of news, not by design.
    • “People say to us, oh, I get all my news from trigonometry. I’m like, you shouldn’t.” (22:01)
  • Dilemma: Are comedians supposed to be taken seriously as social commentators, or not?
    • “If you go into a debate ... and then you get caught ... you go, hey, I’m just a comedian. … No, you can’t do that.” (23:49)

• Piers Morgan and Meghan Markle:

  • Christina is a Piers Morgan fan, especially for his early stand against wokeness and confrontation with Meghan Markle.
    • “He was very outspoken against wokeness very early, and he got fired for it.” (24:58)
  • Explains her view of Meghan Markle as a social climber, contrasting American ambition with the rules of monarchy.
    • “I think it’s disgusting to come into a culture and be so willfully ignorant of it.” (27:52)
  • Discussion of race, tradition, and family drama in the royal context, with the group agreeing that airing family grievances publicly is in poor taste.
  • “So what? What are you going to do about it? … It doesn’t mean you go to Oprah and blast your in-laws.” (30:09)

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3. Social Issues: Immigration, Class, and Assimilation

• The British Class System vs. American Mobility:

  • Noting the UK’s persistent class structure compared to America’s more dynamic (money-driven) model.
    • “You can buy skin color in America.” (46:27)
  • Francis’ (Francis Bourgeois) lingering class resentment, even after upward mobility, is affectionately mocked by Christina and Dave.

• Immigration and Assimilation:

  • Christina references her “old school immigrant” roots — the ethos was always assimilation.
    • “We are America now. We assimilate to this. I don’t put the Hungarian flag outside the house. … We are in America now.” (41:14)
  • Dave clarifies that the real issue in the UK isn’t the number of Muslims, but special treatment for certain groups and avoidance of frank conversations about extremism.
    • “If you want to be Muslim … no one would have any issue with that. But … creating a society where different groups get special treatment — that’s when people go, ‘Hold on a second.’” (40:03)
  • The panel explores why open conversations are stifled and the resulting resentment.

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4. Economic Discontent and Political Shifts

• Capitalism, Socialism & “Tax the Rich”:

  • The group discusses the “tax the rich” slogans, with Francis (Francis Bourgeois) and Dave (Konstantin) debating economic solutions.
    • “Those types of economics don’t work in the long term.” (50:12)
  • General agreement that the welfare state and redistribution have limits, especially when government waste is visible (poor services, crime, homelessness).
  • Christina points out the attraction of leftist solutions when living costs are so high that “hard-working, productive” people can’t get by. (53:11)

• Dissatisfaction with Institutions:

  • Both US and UK societies described as disillusioned with both government and traditional media, leading to the rise of new forms of community and trust (e.g., podcasts).

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5. Feminism, Motherhood, and Female Happiness

• Traditional vs. Modern Feminism:
  • Christina, now nearly 50, reflects on how her own values have shifted from careerist feminism to embracing traditional roles as a mother.
    • “If I had to do it over again, … I would have had more [kids]. I love it because I think that’s the meaning of this existence — to love your family.” (62:52)
  • Observes many women feel “lied to” about fulfillment through career paths only, especially when facing childlessness later in life.
  • “We were sold a bill of goods on feminism that just isn’t how it is.” (61:58)
• Biology and the Dating Market:
  • Candid advice to women: prioritize finding a partner and having children before biology limits the option.
  • On the negative effects of the “male ideal of success” applied to women and the toll it takes on their happiness and bodies.
    • “It was the male ideal of success that ruined women. … This is not going to work for me. … I’m a mother. My body can’t keep up.” (68:04)
  • Scepticism of “sex positive/freedom” narrative — argues promiscuity and polyamory don’t work the same way emotionally and physically for women as they do for men.
    • “It is not good for women to be promiscuous. … It just seems rude for a stranger to dump his semen inside of me.” (70:00)
  • On dating apps: contrasts slow organic relationship formation (“tree with roots”) with superficial, rootless app hookups. (71:23–72:08)

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6. AI, Work, and the Future of Meaning

• Job Displacement & Male Purpose:
  • Concern over AI/automation eliminating jobs and the psychological effects of purposelessness, especially for men.
    • “Have we ever had a time in human history when large numbers of people didn’t have meaning and purpose … and had abundance?” (57:54)
  • Christina jokes that “men need to fight stuff” and have outlets for their energy, while women are “center of the home.” (58:36–60:03)
• Societal Imbalance:
  • Calls for a return to valuing the feminine, motherhood, and balance between genders — not a competition but complementary strengths.

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7. Memorable Quotes & Notable Moments

• On Cancel Culture:
  • “My asshole really puckers when I. When I hear that people are not bothered by being censored.” – Christina (03:09)
• On Meghan Markle:
  • “I think it’s disgusting to come into a culture and be so willfully ignorant of it.” – Christina (27:52)
• On Wokeness:
  • “If you even criticize this stuff, you’re called a Nazi, you know, and that’s the silliest part.” – Christina (13:24)
• On Feminism’s Missing Piece:
  • “That’s the piece of feminism that is missing from all of this, is motherhood. How does that fit in? And how does marriage fit in?” – Christina (62:07)
• On Male vs. Female Roles:
  • “We create life. … We are goddesses. And you guys are awesome because you kill stuff and you keep us safe.” – Christina (11:31)
• On Modern App Dating:
  • “It’s very superficial. It’s like a tree with no roots.” – Francis Bourgeois (72:08)
• On Traditional Happiness:
  • “What makes me happy is, unfortunately, more fortunately, the traditional things.” – Christina (66:53)
• On Slut-Shaming:
  • “I’ve got friends that are sluts and I shame them right to their faces.” – Christina (73:54)
• On What We’re Not Talking About:
  • “The aliens. The aliens, not the illegals.” – Christina (75:40)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Cancel Culture & Censorship Origins: 03:06–04:43
• Wokeness and COVID-era Changes: 08:14–10:42
• Comedy's Changing Landscape: 19:13–22:31
• Piers Morgan/Meghan Markle Deep Dive: 24:58–29:57
• Immigration & Assimilation: 41:14–44:43
• Class System Riff: 46:08–49:02
• Taxation and Public Service Rant: 50:12–52:23
• Feminism and Family Realizations: 60:03–64:18
• Dating, Apps, and Relationship Dynamics: 71:05–74:29
• Aliens and Conspiracies Outro: 75:35–77:29

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Tone and Language

• Candid, irreverent, non-PC: Christina P. in particular mixes comedy, sincerity, and old-school honesty.
• Jargon-light, accessible: Explanations are given in lay terms, not academic speak.
• British vs. American banter: Cross-cultural references with frequent ribbing.

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Conclusion

This episode delivers the kind of unfiltered, off-the-cuff discourse that is both relatable and controversial. Christina P. offers sharp, sometimes provocative insights—especially on feminism, motherhood, and generational change—grounded in her own experiences and immigrant background. The hosts challenge, engage, and bring their own cultural context, particularly on topics like the monarchy, immigration, and class. Whether you agree or not, you’re left with plenty to ponder, and perhaps a better sense of why so many feel unanchored in today’s rapidly shifting world.

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Transcript

[Joan Rivers]

Like, it used to be, like, kids with purple hair and that looked like weirdos were like the cool kids, and now they're the dorks and they're angry about stuff. What makes women happy? Well, what makes me happy is, unfortunately, more fortunately, the traditional things. I always considered myself a 90s liberal, and then now that's considered conservative.

[Dave Chappelle]

Right?

[Francis Bourgeois]

Right.

[Joan Rivers]

I don't know what happened. I have so many questions for.

[Dave Chappelle]

Like what?

[Francis Bourgeois]

Like what?

[Joan Rivers]

Well, can we talk about the Muslims and Bretons? I forgot you guys have the class system. That blows me away. Francis, are you dating?

[Francis Bourgeois]

I am dating.

[Joan Rivers]

Okay, so tell me. Dumping clips. This is like Candace getting pinched by Macron's wife. You think she's a. You think she's a dude?

[Dave Chappelle]

No.

[Joan Rivers]

I love Piers Morgan, by the way. I love watching him on Markle. That's my absolute favorite.

[Dave Chappelle]

I feel a lawsuit coming on.

[Joan Rivers]

They can't get me overseas. Right.

[Francis Bourgeois]

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[Joan Rivers]

Hi. I'm so happy to be here. I love you guys so much.

[Dave Chappelle]

We love you. We've basically done all the talking while we were waiting to start, but one of the things we bonded over is our mute love of communism.

[Joan Rivers]

Yes. What a perfect system. And I'm so happy that America is starting to adapt some of the principles because it worked so well the first time around. And you and I, our parents are. Well, you're from the old country. My parents escaped it in 1969 and so I have a real visceral reaction When I hear people being censored or from Poland. No, Hungary. Hungary, like just a tiny, nothing country. We had an empire at one time.

[Dave Chappelle]

But our friend Seb Gork is getting angry listening to this now. He's Hungarian. Yeah, he works in the White House, but he's Hungarian descent. Yeah.

[Joan Rivers]

Anyway, sorry. No, no, I like being Hungary.

[Dave Chappelle]

Don't be sorry.

[Francis Bourgeois]

But.

[Joan Rivers]

But yeah, my asshole really puckers when I. When I hear that people are not bothered by being censored. I don't know. I can't imagine my father predicted this, which is really interesting. Do you remember Michael Richards? I don't know if you heard about the story. He was on Seinfeld. He played Kramer, the wacky neighbor. Yeah. On Seinfeld. And back in, like, 05, he went to the Laugh Factory and he was bombing on his set. And he kept. He kept. He kept saying the N word over and over. He was like, these ends, these ends, these ends. And then, of course, it didn't do well because there was no joke. It was just him lashing out. But somebody had recorded him and put it on the Internet, and now he was being crucified for it. It was like the first canceling. And I went to my dad's house and I go, hey, did you hear about this thing that this guy is saying the N word? And he goes, well, so what? There is N words in the world. It's not a big deal. I was like, well, I don't know. I can't agree with that. But I do think there. It's like, he goes, this is how it starts. This is what he told me. He goes, this is the beginning. And I go, what do you mean? He goes, this is how it was before the communists came. The slow drip. And that was 05. And exactly. Society got real tight around, like, Covid, right? Like, people were losing gigs. Shane Gillis got kicked off, right, Of SNL for a tweet that he did. I was like, what the. But I don't know what's going on in Britain now. Are you guys, like, are we feeling woke vibes still?

[Francis Bourgeois]

I mean, what's going on in Britain is there's things cooking, but we don't want to admit that they're cooking.

[Joan Rivers]

I've seen you guys protesting a little something something.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yeah.

[Joan Rivers]

Guys are like, no, thanks, Muslims. There's a lot of. No. And, like, it's. Yeah, well, let's talk about it because I'm so curious to hear your perspective, because I know Europeans are a little different than Americans. You guys do have A culture that is thousands and thousands of years old. And you guys have coexisted in a union. European. Right. For a while. And you guys like to keep your. Your own. Right. Religion, language, food, kind of. Unless they're Indian. And then you guys.

[Dave Chappelle]

What were you guys saying before we started about Indians and Mexicans?

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yeah. So basically, Indians are our versions of Mexicans.

[Joan Rivers]

Sure, but you didn't colonize the Mexicans.

[Dave Chappelle]

You did take their land.

[Joan Rivers]

We stole their shit. But we. But we didn't force English on them and we didn't force culture on them. Right. Didn't you guys. You guys did that at the end?

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yeah, yeah, we did. We did, but. And this is gonna get me into so much because I talk to Indians about the British Empire, and I think they would be like, I hate it. And they were like, there was some pretty good stuff you gave us.

[Dave Chappelle]

Yeah, well, English and culture. That aspect of culture being one of them.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yeah. And the trains.

[Joan Rivers]

Trains are good.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Trains are good. So actually, you know, is it all bad?

[Joan Rivers]

I don't know. I can't answer that. I'm not an Indian. Oh, no, I can't. My stepdad was from India. He was born in Bombay, and he hated it, and he hated being poor, and that's why he came to America and became a capitalist. So I don't know.

[Francis Bourgeois]

But it's so interesting, isn't it? Because, like, we're looking like. I would have thought this would be the one country in the world that would be immune to communism. I just thought, you know. Cause I grew. I grew up. I saw America in the 80s and the 90s. You know, God bless America. You know, capitalism's awesome. We make great stuff. We're gonna export it to the world. Everyone kind of hated you, yet envied you at the same time particularly. And now you've got, like, Zoram Mandani, probably gonna get elected.

[Joan Rivers]

That's crazy, dude. Okay, so what are we asking? How did this happen? Well, what do we do?

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yeah, I just, like, to me, it seemed like you were. Capitalism. Capitalism, capitalism. Ooh, communism.

[Joan Rivers]

I don't know if it's that cut and dry.

[Dave Chappelle]

I feel like we're simplifying things a little bit here.

[Joan Rivers]

I think there is a disillusionment with our belief in government and them having our best interests at heart. I wish I were an expert on wokeism, but I am not. I do think it is some disillusionment with the authority and. Oh, I actually, I can speak on a philosophical thing. I was a philosophy major in the 90s I graduated in 99 with a Bachelor's in philosophy and I learned continental philosophy. I learned everything up until postmodernism. And my professors said, you can learn about this stuff, but it's stupid. And nobody buys into this because it's dumb, basically. They didn't say it like that, but. And that's when I started to read what is now the ideology of this culture of wokeness, of the breaking the bind, the non binary and the gender stuff. And I think it's a misinterpretation of the original ideas. I don't think people are really understanding what they're spouting as their philosophy.

[Dave Chappelle]

By the way, should we even be talking about it? Is it kind of not over here?

[Joan Rivers]

Which one?

[Dave Chappelle]

Wokeness, like, is it not over?

[Joan Rivers]

I mean, look, I live in Texas now.

[Dave Chappelle]

Yeah.

[Joan Rivers]

So I'm a little more. This is like Joe Rogan country here. And I'm. I'm really grateful to be more immune to it here. Being in California, you go, I go back to visit LA and I feel the reverberations still of like the COVID time when people were really deep into it. Like really. Like they're still scared in so many regards. Like there's still a trauma from COVID.

[Dave Chappelle]

Are people in LA still wear masks? That's what that with my head. Every time you land in lax, there's people in masks now. It's been five years.

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah. And I love that. Cause I'm like, oh, you're mentally ill now. I can identify.

[Dave Chappelle]

But at this point you kind of have to say that, right?

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yeah.

[Joan Rivers]

You're like, you're crazy.

[Dave Chappelle]

Like if you see one person in a mosque per million, you go, maybe that guy's got a special health condition. Yeah. But when you see lots of people, you go, no, you guys are crazy.

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah, it's hysteria, right? And I think it exists. It still exists a little bit in la. Like I said Texas were like out and this is. This is no man's land. It's kind of great that way, but I try not to pay attention to these idiots, you know, I do think a lot of it is mental illness. And I know that's very politically incorrect to say, but like, I'm on TikTok. I love it. And that's where I get my news. Because I as to me, it's the truth of the people, you know, And I watch Tick Tock and I watch like a lot of these people that are like, I'm astral gendered, I'm this gendered. And I'm like, dude, if it was like one normal mother out there claiming to be like whatever gendered, I'd be like, okay, cool. Like, how come I'm not friends with any of them? Honestly? Like, I'm friends with everybody, dude. Like, I can't find one to be friends with because they suck. Like, they're not cool, they're not fun.

[Francis Bourgeois]

It's. Cause you. You know what?

[Joan Rivers]

It's really, I'm just, I'm serious. They're no fun. They're not cool. Like it used to be like kids with purple hair and that looked like weirdos were like the cool kids and now they're the dorks and they're angry about stuff, you know? Yeah, I befriended one. Her, I can't say her name. She worked at an ice cream parlor. She was cool. Them. Sorry. They were cool. That's it. Maybe because I'm just old. Am I old? Yes, I am. But I mean, is it just not my generation?

[Dave Chappelle]

But I, I don't, I don't. I know people who see the world that way. They. You. They do not seem fun. Yeah, there's a kind of earnestness about them.

[Joan Rivers]

They're fucking bummers, dude.

[Dave Chappelle]

Bummers has a very different meaning in Bruce.

[Joan Rivers]

Bummer. Gay.

[Dave Chappelle]

Yeah, not. Not just gay, but someone actively engages in the act of consummates, you know?

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah, then that would be fun. Then. Those people aren't having fun.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yeah, they're having. They're having great fun.

[Joan Rivers]

Just be free. Just be free and have fun. But they're not having fun.

[Dave Chappelle]

Well, speaking of fun, a lot of your standup has been about being a parent. Not parent, sorry, mother. Because there's a big fucking difference.

[Joan Rivers]

How dare you?

[Dave Chappelle]

There's a big difference.

[Joan Rivers]

There's a big difference.

[Dave Chappelle]

What's the difference?

[Joan Rivers]

Do you think women are intuitive? We create life. We nurture life. We are goddesses. And you guys are awesome because you kill stuff and you keep us safe. Put it this way. Last night I was sleeping and my 6 year old crawled into bed with me because he had a nightmare. And then our little kitten came and laid on my chest to sleep. My husband has none of those things. And there's a reason. I'm not saying he's bad or anything. It's just that the feminine, this energy is a different thing, man. I mean, you know that you have mothers, right? But they probably weren't very nice to you because you're comics.

[Dave Chappelle]

I'm no longer a comic. So my mother was.

[Joan Rivers]

Okay, yeah, she was a Soviet's mother.

[Dave Chappelle]

Yeah. Soviet mother.

[Joan Rivers]

Yes. Mine too. Very hard, very rough. Did she teach you to be a survivor like, mine too?

[Dave Chappelle]

My mother wasn't really that harsh with me.

[Joan Rivers]

Oh, so lucky.

[Dave Chappelle]

But then I say that I think by Soviet standards.

[Joan Rivers]

Oh.

[Dave Chappelle]

So that's like. Yeah, you know, I'm trying to think of the right metaphor. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joan Rivers]

Did she beat you?

[Dave Chappelle]

No. Oh, no.

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah.

[Dave Chappelle]

But no, no, no.

[Joan Rivers]

You're like you to think about it a little bit, though.

[Dave Chappelle]

I'm. I'm trying to. No, I don't think so. But it's like, I see this weird thing. Like, it wasn't as big a deal back then. So if, like, if you knew people whose parents beat them, you were like, well, that's kind of like, well, they're not beating me, but this kind of is part of the story.

[Joan Rivers]

It's just what happened.

[Dave Chappelle]

Right.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yeah. And also the language, particularly in England, was different. They wouldn't say beat. They'd say, I'd give you a clip around the ear. Just a clip.

[Joan Rivers]

It sounds so nice, doesn't it?

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yeah, it does. Just a little clip. You know, it wasn't a clip. It was a full grown man going boom, round your head. But yeah, but it was just like, oh, that's a clip.

[Joan Rivers]

But see, that's the thing. So then you go, well, those are nice things about woke, Right? So then I don't want to on like all the non binaries, because on the other hand, now boys can be feminine or girls. Girls can always be masculine. I shouldn't say that. But, you know, maybe if you are a boy who's on the gay highway and, you know, and you just can't come out yet, but you go like, oh, maybe I can wear a dress and that's okay, or maybe I can identify as something. And then. And then on my way over there. But I think the problem is if you even criticize this stuff, you're called a Nazi, you know, and that's the silliest part. But what I miss most about society is eccentrics like Karl Lagerfeld. I became very obsessed with him recently because he was so inappropriate and he was this asexual homosexual. And he didn't like Jews and he didn't like Muslims. And he was super talented, though. And he would give interviews and say that he hated fat women, especially fat models. And I was. I'm dying laughing hearing this, because growing up, people just said wild. And you were like, yeah, but that's him. He grew up in Germany in 1800 or whatever. And he's just an idiot. It doesn't affect me. But to not even have the license to say these things, I think, is what bums me out. And we're going to lose out on artists. We're going to lose out on my music is. And crap. As you know, I think. I don't know. I'm just old, too. But art is suffering for it. If you look at. And I'm not shading Taylor Swift, she's not my demographic, obviously, it's not for me. She's hugely successful. But there is something bizarre to her being buttered noodles. And by buttered noodles, it's like what radio used to be in America. So middle of the road, right? It's like buttered noodles is. Everybody can eat buttered noodles. It's not delicious, but everybody will eat buttered noodles. And Taylor Swift feels that way to me. And there's a certain safety in music now, a safety in art, a safety that has to be there because they're creating in a bubble of the Internet. Could you imagine, I always think of the Beatles doing their 10,000 hours in Germany, right? And some dump bar becoming the Beatles. And could you imagine if they put that online and they read their comments as they were developing as artists, and.

[Francis Bourgeois]

It was like, you guys suck.

[Joan Rivers]

Ringo. What kind of faggot name is Ringo? You know, and you're like, that would have discouraged these teenage boys from becoming who they were. So there's something to the surveillance of this woke culture that just kills the spirit, kills the art, kills the eccentrics. That's what I miss.

[Dave Chappelle]

Well, that's the. The curse and blessing of the Internet, I think, because on the one hand, it allows people like us to do things and they get amplified and people watch them and, like, we never would have connected with, you know, 2 million people who watch our show without the Internet. But on the other hand, because the technology is so powerful, suddenly if a comedian says a rude word on a podcast, like, there's 2 million people that saw them say that, and that's a concern. Do you see what I mean?

[Joan Rivers]

It makes me laugh so much because does anyone really give a shit?

[Francis Bourgeois]

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[Joan Rivers]

But actually it's like this. That's why Columbia engineers everything we make for anything nature can throw at you. Columbia engineered for whatever. Does anybody really care? There's five dorks in the basement writing this stuff. You know, one sensitive nerd, right?

[Francis Bourgeois]

Do you know what? I agree, and I don't agree. Like, take Marc Maron. He really cares about this stuff. Like, I look at Mark, and he's on podcasts and he's furious. Yes. He's livid. He's like, you know, they're fascist. And you can see him working himself up. You're like, mark, you're a millionaire. You're 62. You've got a successful career. You've had one of the biggest podcasts of all time. Dude, chill out. But he's like. He's literally foaming at some points.

[Joan Rivers]

I know. Well, look, we're comedians. We all have our. Our soft points, our rubbing points, our triggers. But I think what's. And I will say this because I'm aware there's a whole feud right now in comedy that I'm kind of not.

[Dave Chappelle]

Oh, is there? No, I am serious. Yeah, I don't do stand up anymore, so I don't pay much attention. What was going on?

[Joan Rivers]

Well, let me break it down for you, okay? The history in a nutshell. It's the club comics versus the liberal comics, let's say. Okay, so back in la, there's two. There's a few scenes in comedy, but back in the day, it was east coast versus west coast, right? So in la, you came up. You were either a club comic where you did wherever the they would take you. You get on the road, you go to Toledo, you do any bag place in Toledo, you'll do Cleveland. I don't know why I pick Ohio as my reference, but, you know, you'll go anywhere. Do Anything. Entertain anyone. And then there's the group of the liberal guys like the Marrons, the Oswalds, the David Crosses, who preferred to do, like, were considered alternative venues. Right. Like smaller theaters. And they catered to a specific audience. People that were like, minded individuals and they seldom would do the road. It was considered, I don't know, like, we're like the circus people. Like, we're just donkeys. Which kind of. Yes, I agree. Yeah. Entertain anybody. How much is it? Twelve hundred bucks. I'll go there. That's how I was. I just wanted to make a living anyway. Just wanted to be an artist. But here's the catch, here's the rub, is that those liberal comics were also in the Hollywood system. So here's the. They were so lucky, and I was so jealous of them back in 08 because, like, here I am trying to get work on the road and be a donkey here, whereas they're getting cast in pilots. And Comedy Central just loves these, like, weirdo, you know, I'm like, alternative. And meanwhile, like, it's just not for me. Okay. But I think all those guys are funny. And, you know, everybody has their own way. So what happened was podcasting was invented and that took off. And now those guys that are employed by Hollywood are no longer employed by Hollywood because Hollywood has shifted so tremendously to the podcasting and the independence world of the Internet. And I think, like, we don't know how to. I know they're. Maybe they're pissed. Is that what's going on? That the economy of it all has switched? I don't know, dude.

[Dave Chappelle]

Well, that's. That makes a lot of sense to me. Right. Because the people who used to get the opportunities and be on top no longer getting the opportunities and not being on top. That's not a recipe for happiness for comedians, right?

[Joan Rivers]

No.

[Dave Chappelle]

And what's interesting as well is the other thing that's happened, and, you know, Mark, I've seen some of his stuff criticizing people is, you know, what's happened is a lot of the comedians who hosted a podcast sort of are now seen by some people, maybe not by themselves, but by a lot of other people as, like, the source of news.

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah. Which is not how it was supposed to be.

[Francis Bourgeois]

That's.

[Dave Chappelle]

That's what I'm saying. Like, people say to us, and, you know, we try to, you know, also do journalism to some extent, as much as we can, but people say to us, oh, I get all my news from trigonometry. I'm like, you shouldn't. You shouldn't. And we do have serious conversations on the show, but you need more than that, right?

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah.

[Dave Chappelle]

So if you look at Joe Rogan and you think, like, this guy is the equivalent of the New York Times, you're gonna end up very unhappy because that's not what it's for. Do you know what I mean?

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yeah.

[Joan Rivers]

The New York Times is a. That's a totally different viewpoint. And everyone has their own. And. But the problem comes, too, when these. I think, too, there's a disillusionment with our press, because then you start to learn what's going on there. And they're like, wait a minute. Why is this story being written about so and so right now? Oh, oh, this all connected. Like, there's disinformation being actively spread in the public sphere of news. So then you're like, well, who the heck can you trust? Well, I do know there's a guy that spends a lot of time reading this from the Internet, and his name is Joe Rogan, and I don't have the time to do it. But God bless Joe Rogan, because he does. I'd rather listen to Joe Rogan than, I don't know, CNN or Anderson or whoever, fox, because maybe he knows what's up. He's impartial. There's no skin in his game for it. Right?

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yeah. I think the issue comes. And this isn't Joe, by the way, because Joe doesn't play this game. But a game that I really grinds my gears is people who talk about serious subjects and have an opinion, and that's fair enough. And then when they get challenged or they get caught in a trap and their logic is exposed, they go, hey, I'm just a comedian. And you're just like, dude, you can't do that.

[Joan Rivers]

Oh, you can't. That's what I've been doing. But I never professed to be a genius. And I just, you know, like, I'm just talking out of my asshole. I think that's what we all do. We're like, look at these opinions. I don't know who the is. Right. I don't know.

[Francis Bourgeois]

But what you do is different. Cause you're just. I'm a comedian riffing about stuff, and the purpose of it is to be funny and then to be. Maybe to make a point. But if you go into a debate and you're like, I'm gonna talk about the Middle east and why Israel is committing a genocide, and then you get caught spreading misinformation or a conspiracy theory, like a comedian called Bassem Youssef did. And then on Piers Morgan's show, he went, ha ha. I'm just a clown. I'm like, no, do you know what I mean?

[Joan Rivers]

I love Piers Morgan, by the way.

[Dave Chappelle]

You do?

[Joan Rivers]

I do.

[Francis Bourgeois]

I think.

[Dave Chappelle]

Why do you love Piers Morgan?

[Joan Rivers]

No, I do. I love it.

[Dave Chappelle]

I know I'm.

[Joan Rivers]

You guys have a different relationship to him because he's one of yours and you see more of it maybe.

[Dave Chappelle]

No, no, no, no. I'm not having a. We've had Piers on the show loads of times.

[Joan Rivers]

Oh, I love him.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Well, tell him.

[Dave Chappelle]

That's why I'm asking you. Okay, I'll tell him. Why do you love Piers Morgan? I love him. He's gonna watch this on repeat for the rest of his life. This is every day.

[Joan Rivers]

Well, because I, like I said, I follow you know, your guys stuff, and I like that he was very outspoken against wokeness very early, and he got fired for it. Yeah, like, he had the show.

[Dave Chappelle]

He got fired for criticizing Meghan Markle.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yeah, he did.

[Joan Rivers]

That's my favorite. Let's talk about that. I. I just. I love watching him on Markle. That's my absolute favorite.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Why?

[Joan Rivers]

Oh, gosh. I mean, how much time do we have?

[Dave Chappelle]

A lot. Yeah, I know. I seem to light up like this. I want to hear this. And so does Piers Morgan.

[Joan Rivers]

Okay, okay, okay, Piers.

[Dave Chappelle]

He watches our show. He's watching this.

[Joan Rivers]

Okay, good. So, Piers, here's why I love you, buddy. I think you're one of the first people to expose Ms. Markle for being a social climber, for being very ambitious, let's say. I mean, look, I read all the books.

[Francis Bourgeois]

You've done all the research.

[Dave Chappelle]

First of all, you're not allowed to say at the end of this, I'm just a cop. This is your opinion.

[Joan Rivers]

Do I know about Israel and Palestine? I don't know a thing. I don't care. Okay? I'm a mom. What I want to know is gossip about the royal family.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Correct.

[Joan Rivers]

That's what I thought.

[Dave Chappelle]

Give us an educated opinion.

[Joan Rivers]

Okay. I've done deep, deep dives, okay? So I've read all the books. I've done all the things. I think the way he characterized her. Because she came to London to be set up, and she wanted to be set up with a footballer. I forget that guy's name. And somehow she weasels her way into getting set up with h. With. Hmm. And then. But Piers Morgan says that. Oh, yeah, no, I met Meghan Markle in a pub, and she's very much a social climber. And she basically threw me over to get into with the royals. And I was like, wow, that's bald, dude. He said that. And that's what got me on the deep dive with Meghan Markle. And listen, also, I realize the monarchy is a sensitive subject with you guys.

[Francis Bourgeois]

No.

[Dave Chappelle]

Just go for it.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Just go for it.

[Joan Rivers]

But as an outsider, it's not my thing. So as an outsider, here's what I like about the monarchy. Gone are they flawed, douchebag, inbred people? Yeah. Do they have a birthright to be better than anybody? Of course not. It's absurd. We're well past the time of kings and queens. It's stupid. It really is. However, it brings a lot of, I think, tourism to you, your country. It's deeply. It's a tradition that is revered, and it's. It's. It's everywhere. You go to the King's Arms Pub. Everything is named after the royalties. Okay, great, fine. I like. I think this last queen was amazing. I think she really took it seriously. Charles, I mean, he gets. It went very late in the game, which sucks for him. And that Camilla, please, she's no queen.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Okay? Why is she not a queen?

[Joan Rivers]

She's a side piece. Let's be real. She's a side piece.

[Dave Chappelle]

You can't argue with her.

[Joan Rivers]

No, she was a side piece. Okay. Anyway, I have a lot of opinions anyway. Meghan, Mark, let's get back to Megan. The point of the story is, I think it's disgusting to come into a culture and be so willfully ignorant of it. And to go, I didn't even know that his. His grandmother's the queen. And isn't it silly? I had to do a curtsy, like at medieval times. And it's so disrespectful and so gross. As an American, like, as an American, I'm a donkey as well, culturally. I get that. But if I was gonna go meet the queen, you better believe I'm gonna figure out how to do that properly. It's not my culture, dude. Respect that. So I found that to be very arrogant. And then to go into Britain and be like, I'm just gonna do what I like to do. I'm the center of the show. And it's like, bitch, you're not the center of the show. Actually, it's the older brother and his wife that are going to inherit the throne, and those two know what the they're doing, and no one gives a about you and your beige outfits and everything. So she made it about her, because I think she Wanted to be famous. She wanted to be a big celebrity. And then she got Harry out of the system and now she's in.

[Dave Chappelle]

The thing that pissed me off about her, and I. I'm not someone who follows it closely really, was when she tried to make all that about race after we had this wedding at which, like, the entire country got down on its knees and like.

[Joan Rivers]

And the queen accelerated, by the way. The queen pushed up everything so that they could get married sooner.

[Dave Chappelle]

Right. And it's just like, like. And look, it was a time in which a lot of people played that game. I just didn't think. And that's what Piers got fired for, I think is talking about that basically saying. Isn't that right?

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yeah, it was kind of. It was also saying, like, do you remember the scandal where she said it was racist because they were going to have a baby and people in the royal family were speculating what color the baby was going to be.

[Joan Rivers]

Yes.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Like, my mom's Venezuelan. I remember that. That's basically what people used to talk about every time someone had a kid.

[Dave Chappelle]

Yeah, yeah.

[Francis Bourgeois]

And they'd say something like, to my grandfather, I hope he doesn't have your Arabic nose. A woman with that nose, she will never find a mate.

[Dave Chappelle]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Francis Bourgeois]

That's how it is.

[Dave Chappelle]

But that's how in every family, especially if there's mixed heritage, that's what everyone talks about every time.

[Joan Rivers]

And even. Okay, so. So what? Let's say worst case scenario, somebody's racist. Okay, so what? What are you going to do about it? You know how many stupid things have been said to me over the years? You're a female. Kind of like women shouldn't talk. Okay, so what am I going to.

[Dave Chappelle]

Sorry about that. I shouldn't have said that.

[Joan Rivers]

What? You know what I'm saying. It's. It doesn't mean you go to Oprah and blast your. Your in laws. I don't care who they are. You blast your in laws.

[Dave Chappelle]

Yeah. If I went public with everything my in laws have said.

[Joan Rivers]

But that's what I'm saying. Is your family perfect and squeaky clean? No. Whose family? Older people in the family that say inappropriate. Yeah, it's like normal dude.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Exactly. And like, the uncle is. Should we just say dodgy, to put it mildly.

[Joan Rivers]

The uncle.

[Francis Bourgeois]

The uncle. Uncle Andrew.

[Joan Rivers]

Oh, Uncle Andrew. What is. He got disinherited, didn't he?

[Francis Bourgeois]

Well, the thing is, you can't strip effectively, apparently.

[Dave Chappelle]

I want to see where this sentence is done.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Apparently it was saying that you can't strip him of his title. I don't think there's something kind of legalese where you can't do that. But he. They've kind of just been like. Just like, stay out of the picture.

[Joan Rivers]

Yes.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Because, you know, you'd bring a bit of shame. Yes, a bit of shame.

[Joan Rivers]

A lot of shame. Yeah, just a little.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Just a little. Because it turns out that he might have lied about the Epstein thing, cutting him off. And there was that email that came out that basically said, I'll stand with you till the death.

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah. And then Fergie with 40 grand in front of her or whatever.

[Dave Chappelle]

Are we getting ourselves in legal trouble by saying all this?

[Francis Bourgeois]

I don't know.

[Joan Rivers]

Allegedly.

[Dave Chappelle]

Allegedly.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yeah.

[Joan Rivers]

So we get bastard in America.

[Dave Chappelle]

Same here. Same in Britain.

[Joan Rivers]

Allegedly.

[Dave Chappelle]

Allegedly. If you say allegedly, everything is fine.

[Joan Rivers]

But the daughters have separated themselves from Andrew because they want to stay in favor, from what I understand, with the King and the Kirk.

[Dave Chappelle]

Maybe they don't like their dad being a bit of a nonce.

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah, for sure.

[Dave Chappelle]

Wait, am I. Am I. I'm not sure I really should say that. I'm doing stand up. Right. I'm just a. What do I know? Generally, that is not an area I have done a lot of research into, but I'm glad we're. We're delving into.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yeah.

[Dave Chappelle]

So anyway, this is why you love Piers, because he stood up to Meghan Markle's.

[Joan Rivers]

Well, to everybody. I think that. I think he's right, dude. It's like, what are you gonna. You're gonna fire a guy because he had. Actually, they can fire you if you work for a private company for saying whatever. But I don't know. I like that he's ballsy and he says inappropriate things. It's fun.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Do you know what I think? Like, I did this clip and I just. I put it on the Internet of me just doing a little rant about Meghan Markle. It went viral because. And I think the reason it went viral because there was a line in it where it went, this is what happens when you marry a woman much smarter than you. And that is Harry. Harry. She's. Look, whatever you think about her, she's not that. She's a smart woman. Brilliant and brilliant and super hot, beautiful, way smoking. She is. And I don't think. And this is my controversial opinion. People on the right don't admit this. She's a she. She's a 10.

[Joan Rivers]

She's a 10.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Of course she's a 10.

[Joan Rivers]

No, she's beautiful.

[Dave Chappelle]

I mean, she will eat you.

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah.

[Dave Chappelle]

After she's had sex with you. Yes, but she's a 10. So maybe that's even the harder for some people.

[Joan Rivers]

And I think in America, it's fine to be ambitious, it's fine to be that. It's fine to be a 10 who wants to seize. But you can't do that with the monarchy because it's not. It's not a capitalist thing. It's.

[Dave Chappelle]

I think you can. You just can't do it the way that she did it, which is to come in. Your point earlier, I think was bang on, which is like, you got to play by the rules of the game. You can't come in and be like, this game needs to change because I'm here.

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah. Who are you? This is thousands of years of tradition. But you're right, so. So here's the flip side. Harry is a bit of a pussy.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yes.

[Joan Rivers]

Okay. Because we all know the guy that wants to get out of the family and say, you, mom and dad. So what do they do? They marry a bitch, right? And the girl gives him the balls to stand up to mommy and Daddy, and now he leaves the family. So I think Harry, I read his book too, the Spa, and yeah, he was. You know, he doesn't want to be there. He doesn't want to do the job, I don't think. No, he didn't. He was like a. He was an athletic guy. He was. He said he wanted to go to Eaton.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Wherever they all go to Eaton, darling.

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah. And he wasn't like a straight A student. He was just kind of a sweet goofball kid. But he didn't wanna. He. He didn't want to do the family biz. And I think he married her to get out of it.

[Francis Bourgeois]

You know, I once did a gig in near Eaton and there was a lady in the front row and I was. I was emceeing and I said, oh, what do you do? She goes, I'm a teacher. And I go, where do you teach? And there was a bit of a pause. She looked at her friend and went, eton College. I was like, okay. I went, when did you teach at Eton? She gave the years. And I went, what did you teach? And she went, art. And I went, did you teach Prince Harry? There was silence. And I went, didn't he get an E in A level art? And y' all went, that's not a high grade. That is literally the problem. It goes from A to E, okay?

[Joan Rivers]

We have F. That's where it stops for us.

[Francis Bourgeois]

And then U, which is ungraded, which is a TOEFL E. And I went, how did you manage to make that work? And she said, and I quote, I did the best I could with the materials on offer. So I don't think he's a super bright guy. This very hot, very intelligent, very beautiful actress. Swans in.

[Dave Chappelle]

And then, you know, I feel a lawsuit coming on.

[Joan Rivers]

They can't get me overseas, right?

[Dave Chappelle]

No, no, no, no. You stay in Texas in your fortress with your.

[Joan Rivers]

This is.

[Dave Chappelle]

No, they are 15.

[Joan Rivers]

This is like Candace getting pinched by. What's her name, Macron's wife. You think she's a. You think she's a dude? No.

[Francis Bourgeois]

No.

[Dave Chappelle]

What is this retarded that people come up. Why do people. I have to say, I have to say, though, there is a small part of me that worries because I've talked a lot of about Candace and Bridget Macron because I think the idea that she's a dude is retarded, but there is, like, a 2% chance I'm wrong, and then I'm gonna look like the biggest idiot in the world. So I don't know, but I don't think so. You think she's. Do you think she's dude?

[Joan Rivers]

Can I tell you how retarded I am? I went down Candace's rabbit hole. I read the book she recommended and everything, and I'm like, it's not impossible, like you said. Is it plausible? No, but it is possible. But we will see, because she's got to, like, supply her DNA, right, or something to resolve this lawsuit.

[Francis Bourgeois]

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[Joan Rivers]

Welcome to Walgreens. What can I help you with today?

[Francis Bourgeois]

Hi, I need a last minute gift for a Secret Santa. Something thoughtful, impressive. Not a fruitcake.

[Joan Rivers]

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[Dave Chappelle]

Just needs a bow.

[Joan Rivers]

Will look like you planned it weeks ago. Well, happy holidays gifts, holiday decor and more. The holiday road is long.

[Dave Chappelle]

We're with you all the way, Walgreens.

[Joan Rivers]

I don't know, we'll find out soon enough if she says dick or had a dick or whatever.

[Francis Bourgeois]

But the thing is, she got together with Macron.

[Dave Chappelle]

Is the point of this episode to make sure we can never work again? Is that what we're doing here?

[Joan Rivers]

Yes. Yeah, sorry. I'm excited to talk to you guys because I have so many questions for you.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Like what? Like what?

[Joan Rivers]

Well, let's. Can we talk about the Muslims and Britain, please? I'm just curious as an outsider. Okay.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Okay.

[Joan Rivers]

Here's what I. My understanding is that culturally, you guys, it sucks. Culturally? Yeah. Like to have your dominant culture be overtaken. Is that what the issue is?

[Dave Chappelle]

But I don't think that's fair. That's what's. It's not being overtaken. So Muslims are about 4 million out of 70 in the UK.

[Joan Rivers]

Okay.

[Dave Chappelle]

The issue, I think, is that while most Muslims are perfectly decent people, they follow the law, they do everything else that everyone else does. There is a fringe that are extremist. And instead of dealing with them the way that you would deal with any other people who are engaging in criminal activity, there is a feeling that they are being given some leeway. Or the crimes that are committed by, say, grooming gangs, rape gangs, which were in some areas very heavily Muslim, or not just Muslim, but from very particular areas of former British Empire, those crimes were overlooked and in fact covered up to avoid upsetting what they called community cohesion. So this is the issue, right? Like if. If you want to be Muslim and someone else wants to be Christian and Someone else wants to be Jewish and everyone practice their religion and follows the laws and is faithful to their country and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. No one would have any issue with that. But the moment you start creating a society where different groups get special treatment, that's when people suddenly go, well, hold on a second. Why is that happening? That's, I think, what. The stuff that you guys are hearing over here, that's what's going on.

[Joan Rivers]

Got it. Because I think as a. I'm an old school immigrant, kind of like you are. We're both from like the Soviet world. My parents, when we came to the U.S. they were like, no, we are America now. We assimilate to this. I don't put the Hungarian flag outside the house. There's a reason for that. We are in America now. And I think it's considered. Is that racist now to go. Yeah, no, no, you're. I understand where you're from. That's cool. Like, you can eat your, you can do your thing, you speak your language, but you do have to abide by like these rules. Cause we're in this country now.

[Dave Chappelle]

Well, you need to buy in. It's not just. See, people always talk about you gotta follow the rules. But I don't think it's just about that. I think it's what your parents said, which is like, we become this new thing and we let go of a lot of the. That we brought with us because we're American now.

[Joan Rivers]

Right.

[Dave Chappelle]

And this is the concern, I think, with immigrants. Like, America, in my experience, is like the most pro immigration place in the world.

[Joan Rivers]

Yes.

[Dave Chappelle]

Right. Is that fair?

[Joan Rivers]

Thank God. And yes, and thank God for it, because I wouldn't fucking be here if it weren't for that.

[Dave Chappelle]

And at the same time, there's also the feeling that like, like you said, we welcome you, but it's like if you welcome someone to your house, like, take your shoes off. If it's a no shoes house, take your shoes off.

[Joan Rivers]

There you go.

[Dave Chappelle]

That's it. It really is as simple as that. And that's what's happening in Europe is a lot of people feel like people aren't taking the shoes off.

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah.

[Dave Chappelle]

And in fact, we're supposed to say, well, that's their coat. They wear shoes in the house, so they should wear shoes in our house. That doesn't wash.

[Joan Rivers]

I know. And it's such like a, it's such a fussy line with that. With those two cultures, you know, east and west, it's fussier. And I think certain cultures meld Easily easier.

[Dave Chappelle]

Yes.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yes.

[Joan Rivers]

Others. Yeah.

[Dave Chappelle]

Right. Well, if both cultures have shoes off in the house.

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah.

[Dave Chappelle]

Then it's kind of easy.

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah.

[Francis Bourgeois]

And it's also as well, there's certain religions from the same. Roughly the same part of the world that have melded very well with British culture. For instance, Hindus and Sikhs, there have never been really any problems. Like, Sikhs are, in fact, some of the most patriotic people. And when it comes to, like, getting pissed, no one gets pissed harder than the Sikh. I know people who've been to a Sikh wedding, like, dude, every one of those drank me under the table, you know, so it's kind of part of the culture. Whereas as well, there's also the specter of terrorism with the fringes of the Muslim religion. And when you look at the majority of terrorists or extremists that are on the watch list in the uk, the majority are Islamic terrorists or people who support or sympathize with those particular actions. And you're looking at this and you're going, well, this. Unless we actually have a full and frank conversation about what's going on here and how we deal with it, then the problem is only going to get worse. But nobody wants to have the conversation. And every time you do, you get, diversity is our strength.

[Dave Chappelle]

Diversity is our great.

[Francis Bourgeois]

This is what.

[Dave Chappelle]

Every time there's a terrorist attack. Diversity is our greatest strength. Right. And if you keep making that connection for people, they go, what the are you talking about? Yeah, eventually, right? Because that. The fact that there's people from different. Like in America, there's people from different places in one country, that's fine, as long as we are honest about where certain problems are coming from and we all get together and really focus on fixing them.

[Joan Rivers]

A thousand percent.

[Dave Chappelle]

Instead of all getting together and focusing on covering up the problem.

[Joan Rivers]

A thousand percent.

[Dave Chappelle]

That's what's happening in the uk A thousand percent. So that's why you're here in the last.

[Joan Rivers]

I get it. Okay. Yeah. Because in this country, you've got the left and the right and you've got the Texans who are like, you get out of my country. I don't want y'. All. And then you have California. That's like, everybody come over. It's fine. So somewhere in between those two is, I think, where we come and find a solution. So who's in your. There's enough people going, this, get out of our country. And then there's enough people on the other side going, oh, no, it's fine. So somewhere it's gotta.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Well, and the issue Is, which is slightly different in America, is the people going, oh my God, isn't it wonderful that they come over here and it's, everything's beautiful. They're the ones in charge. They're the ones in charge of the government at the moment and they're the ones in charge of all the institutions. So what's actually getting pumped out in the party line is, oh my God, guys, diversity is our strength. Ignore the bombings.

[Joan Rivers]

Gotcha.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Whereas all the, like, regular, particularly blue collar. Cause we're a far more class based society than you are here. So all the working class people are just like, mate, there's grooming gangs happening and there's terrorism and whatever else, and their voice hasn't been heard. But now with the Internet and with the rise of certain political figures, whether mainstream or on the fringe, and we're having a discussion whether you like it or not.

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah, I like that. I forgot you guys have the class system. That blows me away.

[Dave Chappelle]

That's the amazing thing about America. It's like, if you've got money, you're upper class. If you don't have money, doesn't matter.

[Joan Rivers]

Who your dad was, it doesn't matter who. Well, it's true. My Indian stepfather, that's what he loved the best about America. He's like, no, basically I'm white because I'm a millionaire. I'm a Republican.

[Dave Chappelle]

You can buy skin color in America.

[Joan Rivers]

You kind of can. You kind of can.

[Dave Chappelle]

Oh, totally.

[Joan Rivers]

But what is this horse with you guys? You guys are still stuck in this. What is. Is it real anymore?

[Francis Bourgeois]

I mean, it still exists. It's not. It doesn't.

[Dave Chappelle]

You've set him up.

[Joan Rivers]

I want to hear about it.

[Dave Chappelle]

He's from a lower middle class, upper working class background and he's got a giant chip on his shoulder.

[Joan Rivers]

So even now, good for you.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yes. Thank you.

[Joan Rivers]

Stick it to the man.

[Dave Chappelle]

Even now that we've built this thing from complete scratch with our own efforts, no one's held us down, no one's lifted us up. It's entirely on merit. No one's holding him back. He's still got this.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dave Chappelle]

Talk him out of it.

[Joan Rivers]

What's your man? What are you upset about? You made it. Why are you still pissed off at the richie?

[Francis Bourgeois]

That's my identity.

[Joan Rivers]

You are a richie now. But this is the hypocrisy. You can't play both sides.

[Dave Chappelle]

What do you mean? Correct.

[Joan Rivers]

Either you're rich or you're not, man. You gotta own it. You can't. Because I was a poor growing up an immigrant piece of nobody. Zero. And then I made my. I made my money in America and now I'm a rich piece of. I'm a hypocrite. I'm a dude douchebag. You just. You gotta surrender to being an older douchebag. That's what happens when you get older.

[Dave Chappelle]

This is great advice for you.

[Joan Rivers]

You just become your parents. I mean, but your parents are poor, so forget that.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I'm becoming my mother. That's. That's worrying.

[Dave Chappelle]

That is worrying for all of us.

[Joan Rivers]

Wait, is this. Is this like the Gallagher brothers? Is this where you still have to pretend to be like, I'm the king of Manchester. What does he say? I'm the mayor of Manchester. Even though he's like, they clearly live.

[Dave Chappelle]

Yeah, this is why I keep trying to him. It's like, you got to let go. You got to like, like. But it's so. But I. It's so strong on people.

[Joan Rivers]

By the way, I love Oasis for the record, I'm huge fans.

[Dave Chappelle]

I don't know if they watch the show, but please, give it, give it a go. But we, we, for example, we have a guy who's big. He's become a big YouTuber now. It's very kind of progressive left wing guy called Gary's Economics, right? This guy is a multi, multi, multi, multi millionaire who made his money in the city, in the finance world, and now he does videos in a dirty T shirt about how the government is about to screw you over because you're working class. Right? And that works in Britain because people look at him and they go, well, he looks like me, he sounds like me. And I'm going, he's a multi million. Yeah, look, I'm not having a go at him. I'm just. This is a way of explaining the classes.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Wow.

[Joan Rivers]

No, no, I understand. So he's playing both sides of the thing.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yeah.

[Joan Rivers]

Is the government screwing over the working class?

[Francis Bourgeois]

They're screwing over everybody at this point. I would say. I would say we have come to the point in the UK where actually the model is no longer working.

[Dave Chappelle]

All right, let's test this little thing that we're playing our head. How do you feel about tax the rich, Francis?

[Francis Bourgeois]

How do I feel about tax the rich?

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah.

[Dave Chappelle]

Well, how do you feel about that as a slogan? Huh? Tell me, Mr. Working Class Man.

[Francis Bourgeois]

No, no, look.

[Dave Chappelle]

How do you feel about it?

[Francis Bourgeois]

Look, tell me. Look, look, I think that.

[Dave Chappelle]

No, go on.

[Francis Bourgeois]

No, I'm trying to explain. I'm trying to explain. I think that in Order to uplift the poorest in society, you need a strong.

[Dave Chappelle]

You sound like a politician, mate.

[Joan Rivers]

Trickle down economics. This is what Margaret Thatcher was saying.

[Dave Chappelle]

I'm just a comedian.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yeah, look, rising tides lift all boats is what I'm saying. Exactly.

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Look, what people want is opportunity and the chance to succeed.

[Dave Chappelle]

No, it's not. No, it's not. They want to tax the rich, take their money and then give it to themselves. That's what people actually want. 75% of people in Britain support a wealth tax. Why aren't you one of them if you're working class, mate?

[Francis Bourgeois]

No, because I just. I think that those type of economics don't work on the long term. I think they may sound good and they may feel good, quite like socialism, but if you look at the actual way it's applied, I don't think it works that way.

[Dave Chappelle]

So what you're saying is you care about the country.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yeah, exactly.

[Joan Rivers]

Well, I think that is the big distinction between. At least last time I was in.

[Dave Chappelle]

It's a good answer.

[Joan Rivers]

England is very diplomatic.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Thank you.

[Joan Rivers]

But you guys, I don't want to.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Pay any tax.

[Joan Rivers]

Because, you know, it's horseshit. Where does it go?

[Dave Chappelle]

I have a different view on it. I don't mind paying 50% tax, which is what we effectively do in the UK.

[Joan Rivers]

That's bonkers, bro.

[Dave Chappelle]

If that buys me and the entire country good public services, good infrastructure, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's not what's happening. Right. I. I was walking through London. Do you know you? You, of course, you've been some London loads. You know, Mayfair, it's like the richest part of the country. And I saw one of these on a. On a electric bike with a balaclava on, drive past a tour, American tourist. Is it? Because I could hear from the accent and snatch like a boutique bag out of his hand. 20 miles an hour, just carry on like that. Right? London is becoming. And then I tell people about it. Everyone who lives in London's like, yeah, I had my phone stolen last week. I had this, like, that's not worth 50% tax.

[Joan Rivers]

No. That's why I left California.

[Dave Chappelle]

Right.

[Joan Rivers]

That's how I was getting there. And there was no service, there was nothing there. Homeless people living in the streets and it was terrible. Yeah. And then you go, why am I living here? Why did I work my ass off for 20 years to give half my money to the government? And they're not spending it properly.

[Dave Chappelle]

Yeah.

[Joan Rivers]

So. But you guys do give a rip about your communities more than we do. Like These council houses, is that what they're called? Fancy neighborhoods? Where, like, you'll be in, like a nice neighborhood, and you're like, wait, what's that doing here? And you're like, all this. Other poor people get to live in this neighborhood? Like, that blows my mind. As an American. We don't never do that. You know, there's specific whole sections where we just push the pores. But, like, does that work?

[Francis Bourgeois]

I mean, look, until recently, I'm gonna be honest with you, I think it did. I think where we are now, sadly, and I think this is why a lot of these people are saying tax and rich wealth tax is because the gap between rich and poor, it just seems to be growing all the time. And I think it's a huge problem. And I don't think people on the right are actually honest when they're like, oh, people vote for Zoram Mamdani, for instance. They're all dumb, they're all students, they're all woke. It's like, yeah, but dude, it's like four and a half grand a month rent for a basic flat in New York. And that's fine if you can afford it. But the vast majority of people who work hard, do good jobs, are productive members of society. They can't afford that. So, of course, if someone comes along and goes, freeze rent, screw landlords, can you really blame them in a way?

[Joan Rivers]

Of course. Of course. I know. But I don't know. Cause I'm not there right now. Like, in this country. Like, when I was in my 20s, I did anything and everything to like, get by, to become an artist. So I was working day jobs, but the kids tell me now they're like, there's no jobs. There's just no jobs. And I'm like, I don't know. Is that true? Is it not true? I'm out of touch. I don't know.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yeah, and it's kind of the worry because I don't think it works to call people. And we should have learned this from Trump and Brexit and all of this. When people are angry and they have an idea which doesn't work, like socialism, communism, we've seen in our countries, it simply doesn't work. You are not gonna win someone over by calling them stupid or retarded or going, look at this person. That's X, Y and Z. Just like, you're not gonna make people want to vote for Trump any less by going, oh, you're stupid, dumb and racist. Yeah, these, these tactics don't work. And I think we face real issues within our own society and we need to have a conversation about it and go, how are we gonna solve this? Cause we can't have people who like work all day every day barely living and just have the other side of it, which is a very few super rich.

[Dave Chappelle]

Well, this episode has become us ranting at you about this thing.

[Joan Rivers]

I love it. I wanna know this stuff because all I know is what I see in, you know, TikTok.

[Dave Chappelle]

But.

[Francis Bourgeois]

But it's also.

[Dave Chappelle]

What do you see on TikTok?

[Joan Rivers]

I saw the protests. I saw a lot of right, like hardcore right wing people protesting Muslims in your country. And I was like, well, surely that's not the whole story, obviously, because I mean, look, in America, capitalism has worked to some extent, but it's terrible for the welfare overall of human beings. I think we know that. And you have to like divorce yourself from the inhumanity of capitalism, the way it works in our country. I don't know, I feel like you guys had a moderate system. Yeah. Where like people. There was a welfare state. Is that what it's called?

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yes.

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah. Where there's a basic level of humanity that's disappearing. I mean, in America too, we had some level of like giving a rip about people, but it's just gone. I don't know. I feel like people are more and more. There's less of this happening face to face, Right?

[Dave Chappelle]

Yeah.

[Joan Rivers]

Like I can see in your face right now. You're thinking and we're knowing we're having connection and there's. This is very different than like these two, these three assholes. You. You rich. You know, which. Of course. Yeah. I don't know, but I don't know what's going to happen.

[Francis Bourgeois]

But that's such a shame because I knew. Do you mean like when I used to talk to people from America, like their jobs, your jobs were so well paid, even like you're a lorry driver, you would get like 100 grand a year.

[Joan Rivers]

Oh, is that right?

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yeah.

[Dave Chappelle]

You should have done that when you were swinging.

[Joan Rivers]

Whoops.

[Francis Bourgeois]

You know, if you do all the overtime and look, it's a tough, hard job and you're on the road and whatever else, but this idea that that's going is kind of.

[Joan Rivers]

That's up.

[Dave Chappelle]

Yeah. And then AI is coming and then.

[Francis Bourgeois]

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[Joan Rivers]

That's the next time. Yeah, that is. That's the next.

[Dave Chappelle]

Well, it's already happening. It's already happening. It's. It's really. We were talking with Joe about this. Like, it's going to be a wild ride.

[Joan Rivers]

Yes, yes. And I don't know how to prepare my children for that one.

[Dave Chappelle]

I don't think anyone knows. I don't even know if there's going to be such a thing as a job 20 years from now. Can we say that? Can we say there's going to be jobs? What if the AI and the robots do everything right? Then we don't need to work. And you go, that's great. Is it, though? Is it? Have we ever had a time in human history when large numbers of people didn't have meaning and purpose and structure to their lives and had abundance?

[Joan Rivers]

Saudi Arabia, oil money. Don't they take the oil money and divvy it up?

[Dave Chappelle]

Basically.

[Joan Rivers]

Is that how that works? Again, I'm totally ignorant of economics, but.

[Dave Chappelle]

But, but saturated.

[Joan Rivers]

They have no purpose. They seem to be chilling pretty hard.

[Dave Chappelle]

It's a great example.

[Joan Rivers]

The leisure class. Okay, theoretically, we want to create like a leisure class, right? That's the point of AI. But you're right, it won't go that way. Why? Because men need to do things. Women can just exist. I think I can just chill and garden and pet my cats and my kids. You guys need to go out and fight stuff. Pick up swords, stab things. That's a male thing, man. You guys have itchy assholes and you need to go do things.

[Dave Chappelle]

That's such a good point.

[Joan Rivers]

So what are you going to do?

[Dave Chappelle]

I don't know.

[Joan Rivers]

Kill the robots.

[Francis Bourgeois]

I think some people are going to try.

[Joan Rivers]

I hate them. I hate these cars that drive themselves around Austin. Every time I see one, I give it the bird and I call it the enemy.

[Dave Chappelle]

Passive resistance.

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah, you, man.

[Dave Chappelle]

Yeah, robots. That's a really good point about men. Men need to do. It's one of the interesting things that kind of got suppressed for a while is like we pretend there's no differences between men and women at the cultural level. That's such a dumb thing.

[Joan Rivers]

Have kids? You had kids yet?

[Dave Chappelle]

Yeah.

[Joan Rivers]

What do you have? Boys, girls?

[Dave Chappelle]

I have a boy.

[Joan Rivers]

Okay. So, I mean, you know, they come out wired this way. My kids make guns out of everything. There's nothing I don't love.

[Dave Chappelle]

Yeah, they do live in Texas.

[Joan Rivers]

They do? Yeah.

[Dave Chappelle]

No, totally. My son just can't. He can't sit still. He just runs around and smashes into.

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah.

[Dave Chappelle]

Hits things. That's what he needs to do because he's a boy.

[Joan Rivers]

You know, and I get it because I understand that, you know, women have been repressed for so long and subjugated and whatever. And then we got mad and we were like, you, we're gonna do it. And now there needs to be a back come to Jesus again with the two of us. It's just too out of balance. And I think women have forgotten what their. Their value is. Being feminine. There's so much power in the feminine. There's so much power in being a mother and a woman that's being devalued. It's too bad. I don't want to do what my husband does. Especially after having cancer last year. I was like, you know what, dude? I don't want to do the road 50 weeks out of the year. For what? More money, more fame. I don't care anymore. I do not care anymore. Let him do it. He likes that. Let him make the money. I want to sit home and garden, pet my cats. And there's value in that because I have two little boys that I'm raising.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yeah.

[Dave Chappelle]

It's such a profound point. I'm so glad you made it as well. Did you always want kids?

[Joan Rivers]

That was such a funny segue. No, I thought I was a career woman and that I would just dominate the stand up world and be a multi millionaire.

[Dave Chappelle]

There's a reason I ask you about this, because it's kind of a weird thing as a guy to even delve, to even dip your toe in the waters of this conversation. But we are. This is a fact. I'm just saying what I'm experiencing People can hate me. Whatever. We are meeting a lot of people all over the world, but particularly in the US, UK, etc, who are women who've got to the late 30s, early 40s. They haven't had kids. They haven't been able to find that relationship. Right. And it's like. And. And a lot of them are, like, sort of very carefully revealing that they kind of, like, feel that they were lied to about what they're supposed to do with their life. They're supposed to do this. And now they did all that, and they're kind of like, wait, I didn't end up where I wanted to end up.

[Joan Rivers]

Meaning childless, unmarried.

[Dave Chappelle]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joan Rivers]

Cause I think we were sold a bill of goods on feminism. That just isn't how it is. Right. So we needed to get out of the kitchen.

[Dave Chappelle]

This is true.

[Joan Rivers]

We didn't have any choices. We had no options. Okay. So we needed Betty Friedan. We needed Gloria Steinem, but Gloria Steinem never had children. And that's the piece of feminism that is missing from all of this, is motherhood. How does that fit in? And how does marriage fit in? Because we figured out how to become independent of the system, kind of. But is that really what we all want, is to be outside of a system that has worked historically for thousands and thousands of years? And there's a biological drive to reproduce, and. And I think, too, if you spend. And this is just practical, I'm gonna be 50 in June. And if I had daughters, this is what I would tell them. Find the guy you're gonna marry in your 20s. That's when Tom and I met. And if you're banging all of these dudes and you're wasting your time on the apps, having meaningless sex for two your 20s, your 30s, and now you go, okay, I'm gonna settle down now. I'm gonna get serious about finding a man. Well, guess what? All the first draft picks are gone because the good guys got married in their 20s and early 30s. And who's the leftover? You're like, oh, there's this one weird guy that's never had a girlfriend. And, you know, so. Especially biologically. That's a lie. Women have to adhere to their biology. We can't have babies really in our 40s unless we have medical intervention, which I did. I'm totally open about that because I did the career thing first, and then I did motherhood. You know, if I had to do it over again, I would have said, I don't know about this career thing. I'll let my husband make the money. And I would have had 10 more kids. If I were 10 years younger, I would have had more. Yeah. Really, I love it because I think that's the meaning of this existence is to love your family and love. What else is there?

[Dave Chappelle]

Fame.

[Joan Rivers]

Who gives a. I'm gonna be dead. No one's gonna remember me in a few years. Right. Who remembers Benny Hill? Do you guys even know who that is?

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yeah, of course. He's a legend.

[Dave Chappelle]

But. But I don't think about him as often as I think about my son. You know what I mean?

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But then again, the societal pressure for women is much less to achieve. We just have to be attractive and thin and young. You guys have to be rich and successful and tall. Yeah.

[Dave Chappelle]

At least two of the three.

[Joan Rivers]

At least two of us are.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yeah, you could.

[Joan Rivers]

Yes, exactly. You could be ugly and rich.

[Francis Bourgeois]

That's fair enough. But thanks for looking at me while she said that. But. But I was going to ask a serious question, but you, you know, it seems. And that women have been sold a dud.

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah.

[Francis Bourgeois]

And it's only now that they're waking up. And I really hope that we're going to have an honest conversation about this because the number of women that I've spoke to, these are really smart women, career women, lawyers, whatever it may be. And they're unaware of their own biology because they weren't taught it in school. No one explained to them, hey, if you want kids, the best time to have it is probably in your mid-20s. Yeah.

[Joan Rivers]

Biologically, yes.

[Dave Chappelle]

Emotionally, you know, I'm actually relatively happy that we had our son in our late 30s because the parent that I am is like, I mean, 20 year old me was a idiot. Yeah, right. I mean, 30 year old me was in it. I'm still kind of an idiot, but like, of course, but less so over time.

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah.

[Dave Chappelle]

So there's probably some kind of middle ground. It just feels like what I see is a lot of people are just. A lot of women are getting to that age and they're just realizing that the thing that they thought they were supposed to focus on.

[Joan Rivers]

Yes.

[Dave Chappelle]

Is not the thing that makes them happy 100%.

[Joan Rivers]

And if you say that, you're gonna get crucified by the feminist.

[Dave Chappelle]

Yeah, but that's why, that's why people don't say it.

[Joan Rivers]

I was just thinking about this this morning on the toilet. I'm so excited that we're talking about.

[Dave Chappelle]

You were thinking about this.

[Joan Rivers]

I was this morning.

[Dave Chappelle]

Why are you thinking about it?

[Joan Rivers]

Because like I said, I've been through a major illness. I've been through two kids. I've had fame, I've, I've traveled. I've done a lot of. And now in my 50s, I'm gonna go, okay, well, what is it, what is it? What's the, what's the work here? Is it to be happy? What does that mean? Was it about the stuff, was about getting famous? No. And, and I, I'm getting lost in my own sauce. What did you say before?

[Dave Chappelle]

I just said, why were you thinking about it on the toilet?

[Joan Rivers]

Because it's. What, what's the point? Like what, what does make women happy? Sorry, that was it. What makes women happy? And I was thinking on the toilet, well, what makes me happy is unfortunately more fortunately, the traditional things. And now had I said that to my 20 year old self, I would be horrified because I was a good feminist and I fought my way through comedy and I did all the clubs. I wasn't. I.

[Dave Chappelle]

You.

[Joan Rivers]

I'll show you. I'll be the best female comic. And I carried this anger that compelled me for 20 years. Right, and then you become. I became a mom and I got humbled by illness and then I was like, okay, so what makes me happy? I know what makes me happy. I can't speak for all women, but is there something to my biology, to my essence? Possibly. Possibly. Do we know what makes all men happy? I don't.

[Dave Chappelle]

Yeah, we do.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yeah.

[Joan Rivers]

Stakes, Blow jobs.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yeah. Football.

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yeah.

[Dave Chappelle]

I mean, I'm not, I'm not that into football, but yeah.

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah, but I, I think too, it's like the, this, it was the male ideal of success that ruined women. It was this idea that in order to become equal, we had to be like you.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yes.

[Joan Rivers]

That's the problem. I have to have my career exactly like Tom's. I have to be successful. Like, this is not going to work for me. This is not going to work because I'm a mother. My body can't keep up with this pace of work. It's not good. And it makes the woman angry, resentful, bitter. And now I'm useless because if my kid can't come for a snuggle and my cat can't come, you know, I'm the center of the home. This is the truth. And it's not pretty to say anymore, but that's just, that's what I learned.

[Francis Bourgeois]

And it's so interesting that you touched on power before because we were talking about power and women want to be powerful. Like, men are powerful. Women are super powerful. Just not in the same way.

[Joan Rivers]

A hundred percent, babe. We are the ones, the puppet masters. No offense, but there's a reason I'm sitting here talking to you. My husband's on a plane to Indiana right now. Okay? And, I mean, I'm so grateful that he does do that. I'm not saying that I manipulate him to do that. He wants to do that. But, yeah, women's lives can be fantastic if you let the guys just do their own. Let them do it. I always think about Margaret Thatcher. I'm fascinated by her, too. When she got into parliament and her voice was too high, so she had to talk in a lower register to be understood by the men and this and that.

[Dave Chappelle]

To be taken seriously.

[Joan Rivers]

Seriously, she had to masculinize herself. And, like, okay, maybe that's what she liked, but at what cost to her spiritually? I don't know. I don't know her. I don't know. She didn't seem terribly happy. She seemed to work a whole lot. Maybe that was her secret to happiness.

[Francis Bourgeois]

And it's also as well, and I'd love to get your opinion on this. There's the whole kind of sex positive thing, and there's part of me that goes, that's just an idea from a dude who's like, let's be free, 100%.

[Dave Chappelle]

Polyamory is not a female invention. Do you know what I mean?

[Joan Rivers]

No. And behind that, there's some dumb bitch on TikTok going, and I love being polyamorous. It's the best thing for us. I get my partner. I will say this. And again, this is very controversial, too, spiritually and physically. It is not good for women to be promiscuous. I couldn't do it. And I put it this way. Like, a guy blasts a load into you. Think about that. Like, just a dude blasts his load in me. Like, who are you, bro, that you're just gonna dump your clip in me? And then, like, I would carry the biological responsibility of that. It just seems rude for just some stranger to dump his semen inside of me. And I should thank him for that. Like, who the are you, bro? More respect. Like, what happened to, like, no, court me. You gotta court me. Take me out for dinner. At least take me out for dinner and then maybe I'll. You. You know. But coffee date. Is that what people are doing, coffee dates now?

[Dave Chappelle]

And Francis is the one that's dating.

[Joan Rivers]

Francis, Are you dating?

[Francis Bourgeois]

I am dating.

[Joan Rivers]

Okay, so tell me. Dumping clips.

[Dave Chappelle]

This is gonna be a great clip, by the way.

[Joan Rivers]

Who?

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yeah. So, yeah, this is what I found very interesting about the apps. It's that I call it Nescafe dating, which is like, when you meet someone in real life, irl, as the kids say, whatever it may be.

[Joan Rivers]

Irl.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Yep.

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah.

[Francis Bourgeois]

There's. You get to know each other. You're like, oh, I like her. She's nice. Let's. Oh, can I find a way? Like, we can. Like, let's say you work together. Let's sit down, let's talk. And, you know, on a Tuesday, you might have a snatch of a conversation, you know, about 20 minutes, like, oh, she's really cool, and she likes this stuff. And then next week, you know, she's at the water cooler. So you're like, okay, let's go and talk. And gradually, over time, something builds and you realize that you have in common. You have shared memories, shared experiences, and something blossoms.

[Joan Rivers]

Yes.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Whereas when you do the app, like, okay, we're gonna meet here at this time, and whatever else. And then you sit and you have this conversation. And if you're good at having a conversation, you know, ways to make it work and whatever else, and then it. But it's very superficial. It's like a tree with no roots. Whereas if you meet someone organically and it blossoms over time, it has roots. Which means that when there's challenges that come, there's. There's things that hold it in place, which an instant app or whatever, it simply doesn't.

[Joan Rivers]

That's true. And you're less likely to blow that person off. Because I hear it's really common to just kind of forget somebody that you've started an interaction with, and then you're like, oh, whatever. So rude.

[Francis Bourgeois]

It is.

[Joan Rivers]

And it wouldn't happen in real life irl. If you were by. Yeah, you saw that bitch every day, and you're like, what's up, Penny? Where have you been?

[Francis Bourgeois]

Exactly. Because there's consequences to your actions. And because when we see someone online, we kind of. They're an avatar. They're not a real person. They're just like a little.

[Joan Rivers]

That's so scary, dude.

[Dave Chappelle]

I. I'm glad I got married at 20.

[Joan Rivers]

Oh, you did?

[Dave Chappelle]

Oh, yeah.

[Joan Rivers]

She good. Russian woman?

[Dave Chappelle]

Ukrainian.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Even better.

[Joan Rivers]

Even better.

[Dave Chappelle]

So strong.

[Joan Rivers]

Oh, good. Yeah, yeah.

[Dave Chappelle]

It's the best.

[Joan Rivers]

It's the best. See, because my Hungarian mother, she told me this stuff that woman has to get. You have to find this early because nature comes in cycles. Nature comes. You have to do things in the time. And that wisdom, this ancient European wisdom, is not being handed down or Maybe women aren't telling their daughters. Like, no, no, dude, the guy doesn't want the girl who every guy in the village has taken a ride of.

[Dave Chappelle]

That's slut shaming.

[Joan Rivers]

I know. And I've got friends that are sluts and I shame them right to their faces.

[Dave Chappelle]

Well, so you say the mothers are not telling the daughters.

[Joan Rivers]

I don't know.

[Dave Chappelle]

Is it that or is it the.

[Joan Rivers]

I don't know.

[Dave Chappelle]

A, the daughter may be not listening.

[Francis Bourgeois]

A. Yeah.

[Dave Chappelle]

And B, the daughter is going to school.

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah.

[Dave Chappelle]

Where she's being told. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You need to do this.

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah. This is part of your right.

[Dave Chappelle]

This is what everyone's doing. Right. And then you've got cultural influence and then you've got. Tick tock.

[Joan Rivers]

I know.

[Dave Chappelle]

So you put all that together and like. Because see, and. And then the other weird thing is this has become political. Like what you're saying, what we are talking about is like right wing, right? And I'm like, what? How did that happen? What? Like getting married and having kids while it's like, so that you have the rest of your life together and you. Is that. That's political. That makes sense.

[Joan Rivers]

I know. Somehow it got switched because I always considered myself a 90s liberal and then now that's considered conservative.

[Francis Bourgeois]

Right, Right.

[Joan Rivers]

I don't know what happened. I'm still a 90s liberal in my head, man. Like, I don't know what the label means. I can't. I don't know what the fuck the label means, but I think that. Yeah, we gotta shame these whores.

[Dave Chappelle]

I think that's a great place to end. In fact, I think that should be the title of the episode. Yeah, we gotta send these horses. All right, well, we have some horse. We are going to ask you questions from our supporters. I'm sure they're even more ridiculous than the ones great we've submitted. So that will be on the triggerpod.co. you can subscribe before we do though.

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah.

[Dave Chappelle]

Question. We always end with. Yeah, what's the one thing we're not talking about that we should be. And you know, we've covered.

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah. The aliens. The aliens, not the illegals.

[Dave Chappelle]

Right.

[Joan Rivers]

I'm telling you, man. I don't know if you've heard about David Rush.

[Dave Chappelle]

Yes.

[Joan Rivers]

Going in front of Congress testifying that UAPs are real, they're interdimensional beings and what have you. Now, what the is going on with this? What is this game? Is this a theater that the government is having? Is it actual disclosure where they're really telling us that there are UAPs, that there are aliens, but then they want plausible deniability. So then they have a guy like David Grush go on there and go like, there's all these backdoor programs. We never knew about it or whatever. The government doesn't know about it. What the is this? Do you guys even know I'm talking about. Because I know it's like, not.

[Dave Chappelle]

No, I know you Americans love love. Do you know, like, I don't know if this is true. Someone fact checked me, but I think, like, 80% of alien sightings are in North America.

[Joan Rivers]

Oh, yes.

[Dave Chappelle]

And I don't think that's because the aliens love America that much.

[Joan Rivers]

What do you think it is? The drugs. Our drugs are better.

[Dave Chappelle]

I don't. We love this country and we love Americans, but let's be honest, right? You are the descendants of all the crazy people that left Europe. Right? And you went over here and you created an amazing country out of thin air. We'll skip over the Native American.

[Joan Rivers]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dave Chappelle]

Right. And your whole thing is like, anything is possible. So you're like, anything's possible. What if there's aliens? What if there's this? Americans love conspiracies in the way that no one else does.

[Joan Rivers]

We do because we know them to be true.

[Dave Chappelle]

Yeah.

[Joan Rivers]

Watergate. We have a distrust in our own system.

[Dave Chappelle]

Right.

[Joan Rivers]

Because they've proven us. They've proven to us that they're bags. Yeah. So that's why I find intriguing aliens.

[Dave Chappelle]

All right, head on over to triggerpod.co.uk where we continue the conversation. How significant was the comedian outlook on life in dealing with cancer transfer?

[Francis Bourgeois]

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[Joan Rivers]

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[Francis Bourgeois]

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[Joan Rivers]

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[Francis Bourgeois]

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