Triggernometry Meets Hilarious Boyscast - Ryan Long & Danny Polishchuk

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Podcast Summary

TRIGGERnometry: Meets Hilarious Boyscast - Ryan Long & Danny Polishchuk

Date: April 29, 2026
Hosts: Konstantin Kisin, Francis Foster
Guests: Ryan Long, Danny Polishchuk (The Boyscast), plus UK co-hosts

Episode Overview

This lively crossover episode brings together the TRIGGERnometry team and The Boyscast’s Ryan Long and Danny Polishchuk for a freewheeling, comedic, and sometimes biting exploration of how media, comedy, politics, and culture are evolving in 2026. The hosts dig into podcast "clip culture", the chaos of stand-up comedy in a social media world, political trends in Canada and the UK, the relentless churn of pop outrage, AI anxieties, and much more—with the irreverent, bantering tone fans expect.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Comedy Meets Clip Culture (00:02–05:32)

• Rise of ‘clip culture’ in comedy & podcasting:
  The group discusses how the podcasting world now serves the algorithm, making for more artificial conversations aimed at viral clips rather than genuine dialogue.

  “Now a lot of it is, like, people are having a fake conversation in order to generate a clip.” – Ryan (01:24)

• Impact on stand-up crowd work:
  Comics now chase crowd work moments for social media, leading to repetitive, shallow routines.

  “Is this what comedy is? Just asking us what we do?” – Danny Polishchuk (02:13)

• Audience members seeking their own fame:
  A wild anecdote about an audience heckler who wanted a clip of himself heckling the comic for social media.

  “The heckler wanted his own clip. He wanted a clip of him heckling.” – Danny Polishchuk (02:36)

2. The New Media Landscape (05:37–10:35)

• Old media invades new media:
  News anchors like Jake Tapper now try to look like podcasters, broadcasting from their offices to appear “grungy”—despite multimillion-dollar sets.

  “They’re taking their multimillion dollar TV sets and trying to turn them into grungy podcasts.” – Ryan (06:05)

• Comedy’s mainstream fall and fragmentation:
  Discussion of late-night TV’s collapse in cultural relevance—exposed during COVID, especially without an audience.

  “Once that’s happened…they can’t really go back.” — Guest from UK (10:39)
  “It’s like seeing the Girl in the Morning without makeup on.” – Francis (10:47)

• Satire and respectability:
  Colbert’s journey from political edge to “dancing as the Vaccine” is cited as the archetype of selling out.

  “Fast forward, however many years, you’re dancing around as the Vaccine, like, that is a fall.” – Ryan (11:43)

3. Outrage, Debate & Cancel Culture (13:09–15:15)

• ‘Tatification’ of public debate:
  Political discourse has devolved into sensational, childish exchanges reminiscent of Andrew Tate and Trump.

  “It’s kind of the Andrew tatification of everything, and Trump is kind of responsible.” – Ryan (09:47)

• Edginess as currency:
  Both left and right now lean into being ‘canceled’ or controversial as a brand.

• Everything is National Enquirer:

  “Everything is just the National Enquirer now.” – Danny Polishchuk (14:08)

4. Conspiracies Old & New (15:25–22:40)

• Conspiracy culture’s evolution:
  The final boss is still the “Jews” or race/IQ content. More radical views have become mainstream online.

  “People who don’t like Jews count Jews, but Jews also count Jews.” – Danny Polishchuk (15:42)

• AI and informational chaos:
  Fake news and confusion abound thanks to AI—e.g., rumors that Netanyahu is dead, based on unrelated video clips.

  “This is the video that people are saying proves that Netanyahu’s dead. He’s in the video, dude.” – Danny Polishchuk (21:00)

• Conspiracies as entertainment:
  Harmless or bizarre beliefs (e.g., Hitler alive in Atlantis) are “fun” when there are no stakes.

5. Outrage, Manosphere & Pop Culture Trends (23:10–34:32)

• Outrage’s shelf-life:
  American cycles of outrage/news are super fast. “Manosphere” panic is already passé in the US by the time the BBC investigates it.

  “That’s been over for three years.” – Francis (23:24)

• Drama as perpetual motion:

  “Drama...is like a perpetual motion machine.” – Danny Polishchuk (25:15)

• National fragmentation:
  Talk of Canadian provinces (Quebec, Alberta) splitting, echoing global populist-nationalist trends.

  “Alberta is the one I’m more concerned about because they’re kind of the economic, you know, cash cow of the country.” – Danny Polishchuk (28:09)

6. Canada, The UK & The American Influence (34:32–40:15)

• Cultural and economic catch-up:
  Canada and Britain are perpetually downstream from American crazes—often following its trends after the US has moved on.

  “America does things...everyone else actually does it. And then America moves on.” – Francis (31:41)

• Decline in Canadian happiness, institutions:
  Citing the “happiness index”, Canada’s self-image has plummeted under Trudeau, with a heavy bureaucracy choking opportunity.

  “By every metric, Canada is doing way worse than it was 10 years ago.” – Danny Polishchuk (38:25)

• Net Zero hypocrisy:
  The US talks green, keeps drilling oil; Europe actually sacrifices its economic interests for climate policy.

7. Legal, Political & Social Shifts in Canada (40:15–48:33)

• Crime & gun policy:
  Canadian “home invasions” and restrictive gun laws versus American “castle doctrine”.

  “They're actually trying to push, like a Castle doctrine kind of thing...” – Danny Polishchuk (41:58)

• Extreme progressive case studies:
  – Canadian healthcare paying for both penis-and-vagina surgeries in Texas (43:04).
  – Canada’s euthanasia expansion now including mental health.

  “They were like, we’ll kill you for depression.” – Danny Polishchuk (46:26)

• Bureaucracy outpacing military:

  “Canada has 60,000 active military members. They have 90,000 members of the Canadian Revenue Agency, the IRS agents.” – Danny Polishchuk (48:15)

8. Opportunity vs. Stagnation: UK/Canada/America (48:33–55:29)

• Why is it better to build here?
  The US’s flexible, market-driven environment allows for entrepreneurial wins, whereas Canada’s and Britain’s subsidized, risk-averse cultures create “brain drain.”

  “It’s a great place...to get great while no one’s watching, and then come here.” – Francis (49:07)

• Barriers to business:
  High taxes, regulatory capture, and lack of flexibility stifle growth in the UK and Canada compared to US states.

  “If you hate the COVID restrictions, you could go to Florida or Texas...We don’t have that.” – Ryan (51:09)

• American “can do” spirit:
  The British/Canadian guests both admire and find comical the American optimism.

  “I think they’re being sarcastic to my face.” – Guest from UK (55:07)

9. AI Disruption: Doomer vs. Optimist (58:12–69:13)

• AI as a job threat:
  Small improvements are apparent—audio cleanup, business automation, etc.—but Danny (and Ryan) warn of coming massive job loss, especially at the “entry-level white-collar” tier.

  “AI does that now. So that person who used to do that job no longer works.” – Ryan (60:09)

  “What are these people going to do when you replace them? Just, it’s not a high-skill job.” – Danny Polishchuk (63:37)

• Francis’s argument for optimism:
  The barrier to creating things is lower; more “little agencies, more entrepreneurship” will emerge.

  “It's a good time if you're somewhat entrepreneurial… winners and losers.” – Francis (62:13)

• Danny's skepticism about new opportunities:
  Not everyone can pivot to new industries; many people won’t find replacement work so easily.

  “There’s only so much demand.” – Danny Polishchuk (69:05)

10. Final Lightning Round: One Thing We’re Not Talking About (69:36–72:39)

• Danny Polishchuk: “Sex robots.”

  “They have an off button. That’s the main thing.” – Danny Polishchuk (69:52)

• Francis: “10x Female CEO ETF Index Fund” and, semi-seriously, “Israel.”

  “I don't think we're talking enough about Israel.” – Francis (71:15)

• Jokes about robot relationships:

  “If you do get cucked, I'd rather it be by a robot.” – Francis (72:19)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Now all of podcasting is someone… talking to someone, and then someone new walks in.” – Francis (01:32)

• “Comedy is just… asking us what we do?” – Danny Polishchuk (02:13)

• “The heckler wanted his own clip.” – Danny Polishchuk (02:36)

• “When news media, 24-hour news came along… then social media… now this is like next level shit.” – Ryan (03:13)

• “Everything is just the National Enquirer now.” – Danny Polishchuk (14:08)

• “America does things… everyone else actually does it. And then America moves on.” – Francis (31:41)

• “Canada has 60,000 active military members. They have 90,000 members of the Canadian Revenue Agency.” – Danny Polishchuk (48:15)

• “Drama… is like a perpetual motion machine.” – Danny Polishchuk (25:15)

• “AI does that now. So that person who used to do that job no longer works.” – Ryan (60:09)

• “They have an off button. That’s the main thing [about sex robots].” – Danny Polishchuk (69:52)

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Noteworthy Segment Timestamps

• Clip Culture & Comedy’s Evolution: 00:02–05:32
• Mainstream News Adopts Podcasting Aesthetics: 05:37–10:35
• Late-Night TV in the COVID Era: 10:17–12:00
• 'Tatification' of Discourse, Outrage Economy: 13:09–15:15
• Conspiracy Trends & AI Chaos: 20:28–22:40
• Canadian Political Fragmentation: 27:32–29:26
• Net Zero & Bureaucracy in Canada/UK: 38:47–40:15
• Crime, Progressive Extremes, & Gun Policy: 40:15–48:33
• Why It's Hard to Build in Canada/UK vs. US Opportunity: 48:33–55:29
• AI, Job Disruption, and the Doomer/Optimist Debate: 58:12–69:13
• Closing “One Thing We’re Not Talking About” segment: 69:36–72:39

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Summary Tone & Language

The episode is fast-paced, irreverent, and digressive, often leaping between sharp cultural insights and pure comic banter. The Canadian and British perspectives bounce off the uniquely American context, with everyone skewering their homelands' quirks. Social commentary, gallows humor, and self-deprecation run throughout; the tone remains that of close friends riffing with little off-limits.

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For New Listeners

This episode is a whirlwind tour of modern comedy, media, and politics with no sacred cows and plenty of laughs. While it addresses real concerns—media decay, political polarization, existential AI—it does so in a way that’s as likely to make you spit your drink as make you worry for civilization’s future.

[Trigger warning:] Sex robots, crowd work hecklers, AI optimism/panic, bureaucratic nightmares, and penis/vagina combo surgeries all feature. Jump in.

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Transcript

[Francis]

Like, if you offer a girl Ozempic, she does not like that.

[Danny Polishuk]

Which you'd think they really don't like it. If you inject them in their sleep, that's where they go. I was at a New York comedy club and the guy was heckling, and then the guy was waiting at the bar after the show, and he's just like, do you. Did you film your set? I was like, no, I didn't film it. And then I realized that the heckler wanted his own clip.

[Ryan]

What's the one thing we're not talking about?

[Danny Polishuk]

That we should be sex robots.

[Guest from UK]

I'm so agreeing with you.

[Ryan]

They're better than women and you just agreed to.

[Danny Polishuk]

Well, they have an off button.

[Francis]

I don't think women are gonna want robot boyfriends. I don't think the robot would know how to lie to the woman the perfect amount. Your co worker sounds like the reasonable one.

[Ryan]

Ryan, Danny from the Boys cast. Welcome back.

[Danny Polishuk]

Hello.

[Ryan]

I'm back. Ish. I mean, you guys had us on. We've had you on before. Yes.

[Danny Polishuk]

This is my first time.

[Francis]

Francis did our show with Ari.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah, that was exciting. We learned a lot about your home country.

[Guest from UK]

Yeah. What was yours?

[Ryan]

Which home country?

[Danny Polishuk]

Your original.

[Ryan]

Well, he pretends to Venezuela now.

[Danny Polishuk]

Oh, is that kind of on the shirt?

[Ryan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Guest from UK]

See that diversity box, except for the orange stripe.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Now that the dictator's been removed, he's angling for a position.

[Francis]

Hey, do you think that clips made podcasting less fun?

[Ryan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because now a lot of it is, like, people are having a fake conversation.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

In order to generate a clip.

[Francis]

Yeah. If you think of, like, you guys both do stand up. If you. If you think of stand up is like, if. If you had someone there for an hour and then around the 40 minute mark, a whole table walked in, you'd kind of be like, okay, I gotta shift it and, like, catch them up. That's all of podcasting is someone.

[Danny Polishuk]

You.

[Francis]

You're talking to someone, and then someone new walks in.

[Danny Polishuk]

Right.

[Francis]

And everyone's starting watching where they just walked in. So you always are building rapport over and over and over again.

[Ryan]

Well, I actually haven't done stand up since the pandemic, so you understand. Yeah, yeah. But what I was going to ask is, do you think the clip culture is also changing? Stand up, where everyone's now just recording an hour, but actually they're trying to get three clips or whatever.

[Danny Polishuk]

I mean, it's all the crowd work stuff too. Like, I've been in shows where the host sets up A camera, right? And then they do crowd work. And, you know, it's just like the standard, like, what do you do? And, you know, asks everybody, and then the next comedian is setting up their camera. They go up and they're like, what do you do? And they're like, I answered the last guy. It's like, is this what comedy is? Just asking us what we do?

[Francis]

Danny had the funniest story where there was an audience member that asked for his clip.

[Danny Polishuk]

Oh, this is the. Literally, this is where I thought, I'm like, comedy is cheap. Changed is. I was at a New York comedy club and a guy was heckling a comedian and, you know, standard stuff at this point. And then the guy was waiting at the bar after the show, and the comedian comes out and he's like, hey, you know, just this funny stuff. And he's just like, do you. Did you film your set? The guy's like, no, I didn't film it. And then I realized that the heckler wanted his own clip. He wanted a clip of him heckling, right?

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Danny Polishuk]

Like he was trying to get, like some content for himself and he was hoping, like, he wanted his own crazy.

[Ryan]

That's the thing. It's like when news media, 24 hour news came along and changed everything. Then social media came along and changed everything. And now this is like next level shit.

[Danny Polishuk]

This is really next level. Like, for hecklers wanting their own portfolio.

[Francis]

The heckler page.

[Guest from UK]

Yeah. Like they have their own Instagram.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah, I'm the heckler guy. I mean, look, you guys have done comedy for a while. It used to be the thing where someone would get drunk, they would heckle, they. They would get kicked out, and they would be waiting outside and they're like, I'm just helping the show. Remember that? That would always be what they would say. They would say, I'm just helping, and would always say, no, you're not. And then comedy switched. All these people got super famous and they're like, yeah, they kind of are helping now. Like, it actually came. The prophecy came true where they're finally like, no, I am helping you.

[Francis]

Which is a nightmare.

[Danny Polishuk]

Nightmare.

[Guest from UK]

Oh, well, totally. It totally is. I remember, like, I always compared hecklers to, you know when you go and watch a soccer game in a park and there's just people playing, you know, like Sunday League is what we call it. I don't know, you probably have the version with football, whatever else. And then the dog runs on the pitch and the dog is having a fucking great time. And he's thinking, he's helping. He's taking part in the game. And that's kind of like a heckley. Like you're just a dog running on the pitch.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah. The equivalent in Central park would be if you're playing softball and then someone is just dragging a cooler through the infield in the middle of a game, you're like, hey, you might get hit. And they're just don't care.

[Ryan]

And now they're doing it to film themselves. Film themselves. By the way, I just realized this is like a commercial for zempic. This is like a zempic side natural

[Francis]

side calling him fat.

[Guest from UK]

Yeah, he is calling me fat.

[Ryan]

This country makes you fat. You. You. Maybe not you, but starve myself to death.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Danny Polishuk]

Right.

[Ryan]

Like it's fucking impossible to stay healthy in America, isn't it?

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah, it's hard. Yeah. Especially with certain states down south.

[Francis]

And when you give people help, like if you offer a girl ozempic, she does not like that, which you'd think

[Danny Polishuk]

they really don't like it. If you inject them in their sleep, that's where they go.

[Francis]

It's a real line cross spending the money more expensive than flowers. Well, you mentioned that, that the new kind of there was the traditional media and then it went to podcasting and the non traditional media. But if you kind of look at it now, it's back to three minute clips. Yeah, it's back to all of the guys from news media came over to the like, if you think of like Tucker Carlson, all those people like that are huge right now. They're from that.

[Ryan]

Right.

[Francis]

So everyone came over and all the biggest people are here because everyone always says everything's just like unpackaging and then packaging again. But it kind of did happen where all of the biggest people are now. The biggest people in untraditional media using the same tactics. And it's basically gone back to that.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah, it's worse than that because CNN now, I don't know if you saw like Jake Tapper, Anderson Cooper. Jake Tapper last night was like doing his show from his office.

[Francis]

Right.

[Danny Polishuk]

So now he shows from his office. And he looks like insane with Andy too.

[Ryan]

I've seen this. They're basically taking their multimillion dollar TV sets. Yeah. And trying to turn them into like these grungy podcasts. Yeah.

[Danny Polishuk]

So now Jason look hip and he's just like, I'm just trying something. And it's just him in his, you know, dingy corner office. And that's where his, you know, multi million dollar show. And they have like nice Studios. Like, honestly, if we could have a nice studio like that, we would probably go that way.

[Guest from UK]

We've been to your studio, boys.

[Francis]

Like, our studio just has zins everywhere.

[Ryan]

Y. I remember trying to get to the restroom. I had to step over, like, three suitcases.

[Danny Polishuk]

It's a multipurpose studio.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

No, he's. They're going for the. You know when you like the old sportscaster look.

[Danny Polishuk]

Sure.

[Francis]

Where it's the guy that has all the figurines and stuff. Like, Tapper is doing that.

[Danny Polishuk]

But it's just funny that he had.

[Francis]

He's a beef with Tapper, by the way.

[Guest from UK]

What's your beef with Tapper, by the way, Danny? Does Jake Tapper know that he's in a beef?

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah, I have his phone number. I can call him right now. I made. Because I make these AI videos and I made an AI video of Jake Tapper is. Remember when the Hezbollah with the pager?

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Danny Polishuk]

So I made this AI CNN news clip where I'm like the journalist in Tel Aviv, basically. And I said that there was goats exploding and that there were exploding goats. And that was like the next phase of the. Because, you know, they fuck goats. And then. And anyways, it went like, super. Like, I got like a Snopes fact check on it and all this stuff.

[Ryan]

They fact check us.

[Danny Polishuk]

And so then I get an email. I was in Vegas and Skank Fest, and I wake up to leave, and I have a DM from Jake Tapper. And he's like, danny, I need to talk to you.

[Francis]

Take your name. Take my name out of your mouth.

[Danny Polishuk]

I'm like, oh, no, he's gonna be so mad. But then he wanted me to. I made him an AI video of himself for his show about the dangers of AI. I kind of basically made him a video about. And then he had, like, Amy Klobuchar coming on about how we need to ban all this stuff.

[Francis]

But the script changed. There was a script that said. It said, like, you know, this AI was not made by me. It was made by brilliant comedian Danny Polishuk. And then they messaged them and they go, hey, could you make one change? And he removed brilliant.

[Danny Polishuk]

You had the producer. Jake Tapper was like, this is what I want you to say for me. And then the producer. I was in a group chat with the producer, and the producer says, can we just get one quick change? Can you just remove the word brilliant? I go, it wasn't even my idea.

[Francis]

Jake asked for that.

[Ryan]

The funny thing is, becomes like the merger of serious journalism and comedy and influences Right. And so now and then, like, every now and again, you open your phone, I don't know if you follow this, like a while back, and someone like two major journalists in America calling, saying, like, he's got a micro penis. Like, what happened?

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah.

[Francis]

I mean, that's the Iran news right now.

[Danny Polishuk]

This guy's gay.

[Ryan]

That's the level of analysis.

[Francis]

We can't get it up. Yeah.

[Guest from UK]

But you know what? It feels like it's because she called him Mark Levin. Megyn Kelly called Mark Levin micropenis Mark.

[Danny Polishuk]

Right.

[Francis]

Okay.

[Guest from UK]

And he's just like. It felt kind of like. Because that's such a Trumpian comment, you know when you see a comedian try and do another comedian style.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Guest from UK]

And you're like, bro, come on, you're just ripping off another comic here.

[Francis]

Okay.

[Guest from UK]

It really felt like that with her. Like, she was. Micro penis Mark. She would never have done.

[Ryan]

You guys didn't see this, did you?

[Danny Polishuk]

No, I've seen.

[Francis]

I've seen the.

[Danny Polishuk]

Oh, yeah, I've seen the. Mark, what did Mark Levin say other than just he supports the war?

[Ryan]

Mark Levin is, with all respect. And one of these people who is like, pro Israel, but he is so. He's so rude and obnoxious about it. I'm like, dude, fucking. You're making anti Semitic people right now with this shit.

[Guest from UK]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Like, he's actively generating them.

[Francis]

Sure.

[Ryan]

So. So he keeps going after everybody and then everybody goes after him and everybody fucking hates each other. But I'm just like, the level of like, childhood shit that is going on among serious people.

[Danny Polishuk]

Once Serious.

[Ryan]

Right. And my point is, it's like kind of the Andrew tatification of everything, and Trump is kind of responsible for it as well. You know, there's a lot of that now.

[Francis]

I mean, that is debates now, period. Like, the last debate is like, this guy's frigging old.

[Guest from UK]

Yeah.

[Danny Polishuk]

I mean, they have the analytics. They probably. Megyn Kelly looks at it and she sees it go. I call him micro penis. And there's a bit of a spike right here.

[Francis]

Are you saying that you want to vote for a bitch?

[Ryan]

That literally will be the next. Next election.

[Guest from UK]

No, but going back to tv, you know, when the moment, for me that these TV shows, they were kind of exposed for what they are. The late night was during COVID Do you remember that? Where the lot. There was no audience, and then they were doing it like any other person in their bedroom. And you're like, oh, you're not funny.

[Francis]

Yeah. Without the bells and whistles. This is not great.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah. Without the laugh button thing. Yeah, please laugh.

[Guest from UK]

And you kind of think like, once that's happened, once you've literally seen it as. Without the stuff and all the bells, they can't really go back.

[Francis]

Seeing the Girl in the Morning without the makeup on, I mean, it was. Yeah, it was already coming out of the pool.

[Danny Polishuk]

It was kind of already on its way out. It seemed just based on the actors, too.

[Francis]

When you see an actor, there'll be actors that do stuff with like influencers and they're acting like just like a phone video. And you're just like, oh, he's not good at acting. He had explosions behind him. I could do that.

[Guest from UK]

Yeah. And it's kind of like we all realize that collectively. And then, you know, they fully jump the shark. I mean, who can forget Stephen Colbert's

[Danny Polishuk]

the Vaccine Vaccina, brought to you by Pfizer dancing around.

[Ryan]

Oh, my. I used to respect him a lot as well because he did that. Like, I've always been. My top three satirical, political.

[Danny Polishuk]

I mean, Strangers with Candy, if you ever saw that show, was incredible with Amy Sedaris. Oh, my God. It's one of the funniest shows.

[Ryan]

I remember him doing the White House correspondence dinner and talking about George Bush to his face. Did you ever see that? That?

[Francis]

Oh, yeah, yeah, I did see that.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Which was really brave and like cutting edge and hardcore. And then fast forward, however many years you're dancing around as the Vaccine, like, that is a fall. You know what I mean?

[Francis]

Yeah. Coldbeer, to me is the quintessential one of. When I think of, like, that stinks.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah.

[Guest from UK]

But I just kind of think, like, who came up with that idea and why is he okay with.

[Danny Polishuk]

The worst part about it is it was a team of 30 writers. Like, you watch that show and you're like, yeah, this probably has a couple people. There's like 30 people who. Who make full time salaries writing for

[Guest from UK]

that show and they pass that. Yeah.

[Danny Polishuk]

I mean, maybe it was his idea and. Or maybe, you know, I don't know. But I'm sure he has final say on this stuff. But I'm sure he was. You know, it was deep in the

[Francis]

fog of COVID I think John Pfizer showed up to his office and said,

[Danny Polishuk]

this is what's happening. Huge bag of money on the table.

[Guest from UK]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

You know, it must be hard to stay at the top for a long time. Like, the one person I would say is managed is Bill Maher.

[Francis]

To stay. Yeah.

[Ryan]

To stay cool. To. To not fall off the deep end.

[Guest from UK]

Yeah.

[Francis]

I mean, he got a lot of guy.

[Ryan]

Bill Maher, I think he is cool.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah. I mean, he got a lot of flack when he, you know, was not toeing the liberal kind of line, when he was just like, hey, some of this stuff is a little nuts. And, I mean, he lost, I think, a lot of viewers from it. I think he did.

[Guest from UK]

I mean, he was. He was one of the first people who, you know, he brought people on to talk about the gender debate before that kind of. It was sort of taboo.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah.

[Guest from UK]

And then when he went over and was like, yeah, maybe if you have a dick, you can't be a girl, and everyone had a meltdown about it. He was pretty much the first liberal, certainly the most liberal TV show host to push back against all of this kind of.

[Francis]

That was the original, who was like the offensive, edgy show.

[Danny Polishuk]

Right.

[Francis]

And then kind of in the 2016 era, we're like, well, we don't want you to actually do that.

[Danny Polishuk]

I mean, they were right. It was bad for business.

[Ryan]

Right.

[Francis]

Yeah. Because if you want. If you watch even, like, if you'll see clips of, like, late night now, they'll have like, the south park guys on and. And kind of be like, I hear. Hear you guys got some complaints. Like, yeah, screw them. We don't care about complaints. And you just, like, it's weird to still kind of take that where you're just like, but you do care and you don't like that.

[Danny Polishuk]

No.

[Ryan]

Yeah. And now also, it's gone the other way in a lot of new stuff where, like, people are now going so far across the line just so they can say they got a bunch of complaints or just they can say they got canceled or whatever.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Like, a lot of that is now happening because people have worked out that that's like, a mechanism to achieve.

[Danny Polishuk]

I think everything is just the National Enquirer now. I think that's just everything is just some version of. Do you guys have that in the uk?

[Guest from UK]

Yeah, we know what.

[Danny Polishuk]

The aliens abducted my mom. And they sell it at the checkout. Right. Of, like, the grocery store. And that's just kind of everything. Some version of that.

[Guest from UK]

Yeah, that makes complete sense because like we said before, you look at some broadcasters and you go, like, I used to respect you, but how can I respect you when you do literally all of this stuff and then you come out and you go, you know what? Here's my opinion on Iran. And you're like, you can't do that.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah.

[Guest from UK]

You can't, for instance, dance with a vaccine and then come out and then be like, hey, I'm the truth teller. It doesn't work.

[Danny Polishuk]

Sure. Well, yeah, the currency, that was credit. And you still get to make $25 million a year.

[Guest from UK]

But how long can that.

[Danny Polishuk]

Well, it's. I think he has about a month, I think is.

[Francis]

And because things move so fast, everything's coming on. Like I used to say with even like you might say activism or conspiracy stuff. Like if I have tons of friends are into conspiracy stuff. And. Yeah, of course, like, you know, whatever. Dudes are just into that stuff, right? And you have a body, the super into aliens or. But whatever it is, right? Old, old school conspiracies, the Jews.

[Ryan]

But I go, I mean, Danny, you look tired. You've been busy running the world, mate. You know what I'm saying?

[Danny Polishuk]

Recounting Jews, tiring work. I get that a lot. This guy's like, this guy hasn't been up all night just counting Jews.

[Guest from UK]

Maybe you're just worried about them. You just want to see.

[Danny Polishuk]

I mean, I always say the funniest thing with the Jew counting stuff, because obviously people who don't like Jews count Jews, but Jews also count Jews. Like my dad, you know, I said this. He sent me this YouTube video on WhatsApp. And the video was literally, here are all the richest Jews in the world. It was a YouTube video. I'm like, what is the source of this video? Like, I didn't know if it was a good thing or a bad thing.

[Ryan]

Your dad's watching Nick Fuente.

[Francis]

I was like, we are doing pretty.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah, going with this. Like, what's the source of this? You know, and it was just some random channel that was just like making whatever weird, just like, you know, slop kind of content. And then I go to. And it was so funny. That channel had maybe 2, 000 subscribers. Every one of their videos was like 400 views. And then this video was like 700,000. I'm like, of course,

[Ryan]

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[Guest from UK]

But it's so weird, isn't it? Like how suddenly people just became obsessed with that.

[Danny Polishuk]

Obsessed. You know it's the final boss of conspiracy, right?

[Francis]

It also really wasn't. There was early Internet that was. We used to say that most people that got kicked off the Internet, it was from getting into race, IQ or Jew stuff.

[Guest from UK]

Yeah, yeah.

[Francis]

So those were like, the things that.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah, those are the forbidden.

[Francis]

So then once it became allowed, it was like the floodgates.

[Danny Polishuk]

I mean, my. I think it changed a little bit, but my Instagram, like, you know, reels, you know, recommended reels at one point, a few months ago was basically like, Gabby.

[Guest from UK]

Really?

[Danny Polishuk]

Four years ago? Yeah, you know, like. Or Facebook. Like, you go on there now.

[Guest from UK]

It's.

[Danny Polishuk]

I mean, it's crazy. Like, it is somewhat shocking because they were the hardcore censors three years ago, and then now they've completely pivoted to, like, anything goes.

[Francis]

Plus, I used to be edgy like you. If you go to a normal comedy club, you'll see a comedian, like, just railing on Zionist, and you go, that would have been like an edgy thing.

[Danny Polishuk]

Oh, very edgy.

[Francis]

But I said conspiracies. I want it to be brought to me when it's at the like, nine level. Like, you've done a. I. I feel like people bring undercooked stuff to you now. You know what I mean? Like, your buddy will come and he'll be like, you. Oh, you don't check out this thing. And you're like, I don't know. You don't. You don't really have that coherent of a thing yet. And he'll be like, okay, believe what you want. And you're like, no, you spend the time. Come back to me when this is at a nine. Yeah, I want fully cooked.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah, people are getting fully cooked. Like the Netanyahu thing I was saying to him yesterday, but the Netanyahu is dead stuff right now is, oh, yeah, insane. And honestly, I'm. I. It's fact. Part of it is AI because obviously the AI stuff is people don't know what's real. Which people who are prone to conspiracies to now say, I don't know what's real or what's not anymore is probably not good for their mental health. Like, nothing is real anymore, dude.

[Ryan]

It's scary, man. Like, you can make anything true for a while and people will believe it, I think. And this is like the beginning now.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah, yeah. Like 20 years from now, there are still going to be people who are like, yeah, Netanyahu died March 8, 2020 26. Died. And the original video, if you've seen the original video that people source, was this Indian reporter where he goes, yeah, they. They hit this building and I think it was Tel Aviv or something. And then at the 23 second mark, he's like, yeah, there's Netanyahu right there. He's walking around inspecting the thing. And that's the video that people are saying proves that Netanyahu's dead. He's in the video, dude. I'll concede that I have a member

[Ryan]

of my family who shall remain unnamed who believes that Hitler is alive.

[Danny Polishuk]

I mean just based on.

[Francis]

And he's the co host of the

[Ryan]

Voice cast and lives in Atlantis underneath the ocean. Oh, and this is someone I know.

[Danny Polishuk]

How old would he.

[Francis]

Yeah, see, I would need more. I need you to bring me a little more than just that.

[Ryan]

I feel like that is lacking in evidential basis, you know.

[Danny Polishuk]

How old would he be at this point? Like one.

[Guest from UK]

Well, Hitler 136.

[Ryan]

Look, if he's live. I love how you're quibbling with this. He thinks he lives on Atlantis. I feel like that's the more dubious claim people have lived to hunt. 136.

[Francis]

And those are fun people. Like if you have a guy, a friend that's super into that stuff. That is a fun guy.

[Danny Polishuk]

That is a fun guy. Because there's no, like, there's conspiracies that have no stakes, you know, like flat earth. Like people are like, the earth is flat. And you're like, there's no stakes here, right? Like it doesn't matter if someone believes the earth is flat. And so those are. Yeah, those are the.

[Francis]

I find them fun with stakes.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah, yeah, it's the fun with stakes. But the ones that are no stakes, you're like, these are the most fantastical, crazy ones that I. I'm more prone to enjoying you.

[Francis]

Like I'll have a little bit of flatter maybe. But again, if I.

[Ryan]

This is. Make it. To make it depressing again for a bit. This is where I kind of worry about the merger of this stuff with news, because that's also happening. Right? And so like somebody might. They might have been a serious broadcast at one point and now this is what they're doing and you kind of go, well, it's just a different thing. Like if someone just does videos about conspiracies, everyone goes, well, I don't take this seriously. But when someone is got pretends to have a serious claim that they're making about what the truth is and they've been in a serious position. Right.

[Francis]

I'll tell you where I'm a little less of a worried than you. And I think that, to be honest, I think that I felt this stuff about the like progressive stuff or right now they just had the Manosphere documentary come out, right. People are kind of up in arms about it.

[Danny Polishuk]

Right.

[Francis]

And you're just like, that's been over for three years.

[Ryan]

Who's up in arms about it? Because I haven't. I. We watched the dog.

[Francis]

I mean, every. Every press, everything. You know, the same as adolescence when that.

[Ryan]

Okay, so men are bad. This is.

[Francis]

Yeah. Can you believe these guys?

[Ryan]

But toxic masculinity.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah.

[Francis]

It's kind of over. So, you know, things in. Especially America, which is the center of this, things really come and go quick. Like, people do get pretty bored of stuff pretty quick. So I think when it's kind of like, oh, this thing is really bad. Like, I'm like, it's the fact that everyone's saying that it's already a top. Like, if you think of it as like, a stock, like, people are already bored of it.

[Danny Polishuk]

Right, right, right.

[Francis]

So that's where I just get less.

[Ryan]

No, that's so true, man. Your president nearly gets assassinated, you talk about for a week.

[Danny Polishuk]

I mean, we're not even talking about files anymore. It's just new thing.

[Ryan]

Yeah. Let's not talk about. So.

[Francis]

Yeah, that's why I don't get, like, stressed out. It's kind of funny if you think of it like that way.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

But you can kind of get stressed out about everything if you're kind of neurotic.

[Ryan]

So your point is people just, like, they move from one to the next. Yes.

[Francis]

And. And. And for a reason. Like the. A new thing is exciting.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Everyone wrings every last dollar out of it, and then it's kind of like, all right, this isn't working as good anymore, and then it's on to the next thing.

[Guest from UK]

Right. It's also partly because of outrage culture. Like, if you think of what all those guys do, like, manosphere guys and people before them, is they built it and ramped it and ramped it with the outrage and saying the most horrendous shit.

[Francis]

And you can't, like, top it.

[Guest from UK]

No.

[Danny Polishuk]

You have to keep going.

[Guest from UK]

Yeah. But you can't top it. Like Nick Fuentes after you say, Hitler's pretty cool.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah.

[Guest from UK]

And you like Stalin, which is, again, it's just weird. You can't really, like, both.

[Francis]

Well, you just have to start fighting with the other people in the space.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah. Then you become drama.

[Francis]

Drama queen. Right.

[Danny Polishuk]

And drama. Honestly, you know, back to the Mark Levin drama. Everybody loves drama.

[Ryan]

Right.

[Danny Polishuk]

And it can go. It's like a perpetual motion machine. Like, you can just keep going almost indefinitely as long as two sides are willing to.

[Ryan]

Yeah. Well, three more. Three more million Epstein files haven't been released.

[Danny Polishuk]

I know, I know. We're getting them. I was joking that we're going to get them if Iran goes sideways, if things go really bad, because that's how. Yeah. Like, pedophiles, like, everybody's like, why are you holding them back? And they're like, we just need them for a rainy day, you know?

[Francis]

Mr. Rogers is on the.

[Ryan]

Let's release a few more emails.

[Francis]

Sure.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Danny Polishuk]

Just. Just kind of bleed them out a little bit.

[Guest from UK]

Well, you boys are both from Canada.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah.

[Guest from UK]

And we've had a couple of guests talking about.

[Danny Polishuk]

What are your thoughts on Poliev?

[Guest from UK]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ryan]

What do you think about Poliev?

[Danny Polishuk]

He's fine.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

That's the reaction of politicians.

[Francis]

This isn't so specifically Canada. It kind of is a Britain thing. But I was kind of. It feels like there's. There's, like, two models that you get the extreme of, which is kind of like the sort of, like, globalist, like, liberal order, which is very much. We need a ton of committees, we need a ton of bureaucracy. We need to, you know, make sure everything's safe. And then the other side, which is, like, you get the most masculine, like, fucking.

[Ryan]

Right.

[Francis]

Like, you know what I mean? Those are sort of the two options that you can choose between right now.

[Danny Polishuk]

I mean, he's the best, like, he's the best option that the Conservatives have put forth in a decade because they always just had some stodgy old guy, zero personality. Like, none. Like, none whatsoever. And they would just get smoked every time. To Trudeau.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Danny Polishuk]

And everybody just loved. You know, they were.

[Francis]

There is when you talk about, maybe in this, like, even we're talking about before, where politics gotten crazy, it might be not possible for a Conservative to win without, like, accepting that I'm going to be the villain. Like, like, he's kind of. He wants to be the old school. Like, no, I'm kind of beloved, but

[Ryan]

I'm just, you know, I have a Canadian. Right. He's trying to.

[Francis]

You try to be nice, but you're like, maybe that's done.

[Ryan]

Yeah. We tried to get him to slag off half your country, but he refused to do well.

[Danny Polishuk]

You know, that's. He wants to be Prime Minister.

[Ryan]

We were like, isn't the problem with your country is half the population loves big taxes and is uber woke? And he was like, no, no, no, that's not true. Yeah. But a lot of Canadians have told us that it is.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah.

[Francis]

What did he say?

[Danny Polishuk]

I mean, there's probably going to be a referendum in Canada this year on

[Ryan]

what you want to leave the EU as well?

[Danny Polishuk]

Likely. I think one or possibly both of Alberta and Quebec will have a referendum to separate from Canada.

[Ryan]

Really?

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Do they want to. Do they want to join America?

[Danny Polishuk]

They want to become sovereign nations? I don't, and I know you are. You're always like, Ryan's always, like, with the Quebec thing. At least Quebec, I think is less likely. However, I believe that their separatist party is, like, leading big time. And, you know, they tried in 95, they. It was. I think it was 50.2% to, like 49.8% to remain. And it's just 50% plus one and they leave. So it was close in 95. They've always wanted to be, you know, because they have their own culture, but Alberta is the one I'm more concerned about because they're kind of the economic, you know, cash cow of the country.

[Ryan]

Right.

[Guest from UK]

Well, the problem is, is Alberta, like you said, they kind of pay for everything.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah.

[Guest from UK]

I mean, it's fine.

[Danny Polishuk]

And they're not represented. Like, they all feel. They're like, we have zero representation.

[Francis]

If you talk to birder boys, they're

[Danny Polishuk]

like, bizarre because they're so patriotic. They're so. They're the most patriotic Canadians we know, probably.

[Ryan]

And that's why they want to leave.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yes. It's a bizarre thing, but it's very likely.

[Ryan]

Well, it's kind of like that in the uk we don't have the referendum side of it, but. What. Actually, a lot of the patriotic people who love Britain are leaving because they don't like the direction of travel. Right. It's like. So I kind of make sense to me in that way.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

But polio was interesting, your point about, like, masculinity stuff, because before we. He came on, we were talking about ufc and he's like into fight, you know, into combat stuff. But he's very Canadian about it. He's quite likable.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Yeah. You know, he wouldn't.

[Francis]

He would. He has class. He wouldn't talk, you know, you said he wouldn't talk smack about the prime minister on foreign soil. Like. Yeah, it's kind of like an old school. It's hockey class.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

You know, you go. You finish the game and you go, you know, he played a good game. We did our best out there. Yeah.

[Danny Polishuk]

You fight a guy and then, like,

[Francis]

you shake his hand. Yeah.

[Danny Polishuk]

You both eat the crap out of each other and then you're having a beer after the game.

[Ryan]

I like that. Yeah. That's what I grew up with. I wish More. More of society went back to that.

[Francis]

Yeah, yeah. And my point is, I agree with

[Ryan]

you, but it doesn't get clicks.

[Francis]

Feels like it's over. Feels like that's been a wrap on that.

[Ryan]

Yeah, Done that. Tried that.

[Danny Polishuk]

Something happened in 2015.

[Francis]

My personal life, I try to live like that.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Guest from UK]

Imagine if. If you saw good poly of tomorrow, go on Twitter and call Mark Carney micro penis. And he just started to do all of that.

[Danny Polishuk]

I mean, Maxim Bernier, who's like the far right guy. He's. He's pretty out there.

[Ryan]

Yeah, yeah. Is it really?

[Danny Polishuk]

He's pretty out there. Yeah. He's like the far right guy in Canada.

[Francis]

He's French guy. That's right. He's just like. You're all cucks.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah. He's. He sends him while he's probably like the next bitch.

[Francis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Danny Polishuk]

Like Canadian equivalent. Probably like Nigel Farage.

[Ryan]

Nigel Forest doesn't call it.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

I would say is.

[Danny Polishuk]

Well, maybe it's the French in him.

[Ryan]

See, that's the thing about, like, Britain. I think maybe Canada, from what you guys are saying, is we still have the instinct to be a little bit more classy with it.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

So Farage doesn't actually do this personal. Even Farage. Even the populists don't tend to. To go for it as much, which I like. So I think it's an American thing.

[Francis]

Part of it is the money. Like. Yeah, everyone's a little nicer when the pot of money is smaller.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

You know, like, take a family that everyone's nice to each throw a $10 trillion inheritance in there and watch everyone start to get pretty catty pretty quick.

[Ryan]

Right.

[Francis]

And I think that is a big part of it is like the levels of, like, wealth that are the differences between these things create a situation where people are kind of catty bitches.

[Guest from UK]

That's. That's a really good point. What's going on with Canada, really?

[Danny Polishuk]

Because, well, we lost all the hockey, so not good. Things are not going well.

[Guest from UK]

I mean, because we always thought that you were the kind of. You were Americans, but you had humility.

[Francis]

You were saying you were the Canadians overperform in America.

[Ryan]

Yeah, yeah, that would make sense.

[Francis]

Overrepresented in stand up in comedy for sure.

[Ryan]

Right.

[Guest from UK]

But what, like, what happened? When did you all lose your minds? Why did you elect Trudeau?

[Francis]

I have a theory that in Britain's a little like this, but can't amour. But America does things. And then, like I said, it's three years and then it's kind of like, if you think of a brother that has. He becomes like a goth and all this crazy stuff and then he goes off to college and the younger brother does it more and then he comes back from college and he's like dressed like a normal now. And he was like, I thought we were goths. He's like, you're still doing that. Like, I'm a crypto guy. And America is a little bit like that where it kind of says the craziest stuff. It sort of does it. Everyone else actually does it. And then America moves on and they're like, you're still frigging cutting off your dick.

[Ryan]

Like, Right. Well, actually it's so funny because that is exactly the issue on which I think that's totally happened. America went way further than everybody and now it's gone totally in the other direction.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah. And everybody's just lagging behind.

[Francis]

Yeah. So everyone kind of lay behind. I was thinking in terms of music, like, especially you talk about Canada, but you can also talk about like the parts like Quebec, for example. If you're in like a popular band in America, it might look like that. And then you never hear about him again.

[Ryan]

Right.

[Francis]

That guy goes to like Quebec and he's like as famous as he was at the time. Or that guy goes to Amsterdam or some of these other places. It just didn't go like that the same way.

[Danny Polishuk]

Right.

[Francis]

So you always hear about these one hit wonders that are like very popular. Other cultures also do that.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

You know, and you'll go and see Quebec. I know I can mention it, but it's. It's a. It's kind of has that quality where you'll go and see a guy that looks very much like a skateboarder from 1990, wearing the same brand, the same clothes and you goes like. Whereas in New York, that was. So you've never. You haven't seen that in 15 years.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah, sure.

[Guest from UK]

Yeah. It's such a good point actually, because it all comes from here. All the. Yeah, I remember.

[Danny Polishuk]

The cultural engine of the world.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Guest from UK]

And it's. It's never the. Well, it sometimes is a good stuff. It's.

[Ryan]

Hold on. It's both. It's all the good stuff and all the shit stuff. And they come packaged together well.

[Francis]

Sometimes it comes from the other. The other place into America and then America. I always think. I think ska music's like such a funny. Like Britain was big, you know, like Pumpkin sky was like big. You know, the Specials and all that. Britain and those. That was like a thing that was Kind of there forever. It came to America within a year and a half. There was 10, 000 bands doing it. They were all popular. There's no doubt. You had 19 trumpet players wearing costumes and then you never heard about it ever again. And so they. They take other cultures sometimes and chew it up and spit it out a bit too.

[Guest from UK]

Yeah, it's true. But good pointing back on what you say. Like, you say it's all the good. We don't get the positive attitude, the can do spirit, the American. Like, you can do anything, man. We just get trans and.

[Danny Polishuk]

Oh, I hate myself and the TV shows.

[Guest from UK]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like.

[Ryan]

Which is also trans.

[Guest from UK]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And yeah, and because. So I'm just hoping that Canada is going to come to its senses and going to become sane.

[Danny Polishuk]

Honestly, I thought the hockey thing was actually a good thing for Canada because that's such a huge part of our identity. And the fact that we lost, we lost in men's, women's and Paralympics to the US And I honestly think that is. Will be some kind of reset where people. Not like a hard reset, but where people are like, oh, you know, things are not going in the right direction here.

[Francis]

Do you meet a lot of people that are in real life from Toronto that are on board with like the craziest stuff? It feels like it's just embedded in bureaucracy right now. And that takes a while to weed out public opinion. I don't know anyone.

[Danny Polishuk]

I followed Toronto politics and, you know, they have Olivia Chow. I don't know if you. She's the mayor. She's nuts. Like, they pass. They're trying to pass a resolution right now to not allow ice at the World cup or. Yeah, ice at the World cup in Toronto. There's no ice agents in Canada, but they just have to, you know, performatively say, we will not. Because of what's going on, we will not allow ice agents to be roaming the streets of Toronto.

[Francis]

It sucks me making a law that when I go out, I'm not gonna allow 10 girls to suck me off at once. It would have happened if had not for this.

[Guest from UK]

Right.

[Danny Polishuk]

But that's the kind of stuff they do. But I don't know, I mean, people like, you know, with the last election, Pulleyev was what, like almost 85 at one point to win.

[Ryan]

Yeah. And then Trump came along.

[Danny Polishuk]

Trump came along, but still lost. I mean, people like, they're just. I think the. If you look historically at the voting in Canada, it's something like 2/3 go to the liberals. So you know, it is a. Whereas here it's pretty 50 50, right? Like it's. It seems like everybody gets their turn and it goes pretty even.

[Guest from UK]

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[Francis]

Three times. Twice.

[Danny Polishuk]

Three times.

[Guest from UK]

Three times.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah, he has. Three times. Because he had. Yeah, yeah, he had.

[Francis]

He had.

[Danny Polishuk]

I think he. Because, you know, it's similar to your system in the uk, where you don't have to serve out your whole term. You can just call an election if you think you're going to win. And so I think after like a two or three year period, he called another one. He got elected because Stephen Harper, who was the Conservative, was in office for 10 years, did a great job and people were just tired of him. They just wanted something new.

[Ryan]

But why did he get reelected after that?

[Danny Polishuk]

Because. Because Canadians are idiots.

[Ryan]

I wish people said that. That would get a lot more views.

[Danny Polishuk]

I mean, objectively, Canada is not in a good spot. Like, they just released, you know, happiness index. And when you were living in Canada, they always had like, we're the hab. One of the happiest countries on Earth. We're one of the most prosperous countries on Earth now. I think. I think they're like 70th or something. You know, like, by every metric, Canada is doing way worse than it was 10 years ago.

[Ryan]

Well, right. And this is other thing about. Your point about America creating crazy shit and then moving on quickly. Right. America created this whole thing about net zero and obsession with, like, green energy.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

To the point where if you actually start to implement it the way these crazy people wanted, you start to ruin your economy. Except America never did that. They just had some crazy people, but they never actually ruined their economy. They kept fucking digging for oil, digging for gas. All of that keeps happening just fine. In fact, bringing more manufacturing here is wonderful. Whereas we in Europe are basically like, fucking shutting the lights off.

[Francis]

And then they come back and they're like, all right, we got rid of all our nuclear. We got rid of all of this and all that. What did you guys do? And they're like, what? They're like, you told me. I did.

[Danny Polishuk]

It was a paper. I wrote a paper.

[Guest from UK]

And the Chinese guys in the back just fucking laughing at everybody going, you're so retarded.

[Ryan]

Yeah, exactly.

[Francis]

I also feel like America is kind of like. Because it is so. It's a. It's like a. It's like a bar that still has the most women, but a lot of other things are falling apart. But, like, the women's opportunity. So it's like. And other people are like, you have to go. This place is way better. It's like. Has the best. Yeah, they make the best espresso martini. It's clean. And you're like, yeah, but the bitches are over here. And you go, that's really the only thing that matters is where's the opportunity to make more money. Like, for most people, that's kind of why people want to come here.

[Danny Polishuk]

Right.

[Francis]

So all that other stuff is. Well, you have that. What else kind of really matters in terms of where people want to go?

[Danny Polishuk]

Sure.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Danny Polishuk]

But there's some things that, you know, give me some hope with Canada. Like the. I saw the other day some guy broke into someone's house because there was, like, this crazy epidemic in Toronto of people, of home invasions and car thefts.

[Guest from UK]

Well, what's a home invasion?

[Ryan]

The burglary.

[Guest from UK]

Oh, it's a burglary.

[Ryan]

Look, they exaggerate plus, they have guns, so everything's a little more exaggerated. In the uk, it's like a burglary.

[Francis]

You're like home invasion.

[Danny Polishuk]

No, no, but they were, like, serious. So they had. This is the level of. They're invading, you know, the United States States here of Castle. Castle doctrine, where basically, if someone is in your home, you can just kill them.

[Ryan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Danny Polishuk]

Like, if someone who's not supposed to be in your home is in your home, you can just kill them. And it goes sideways. Like, you know, you hear things about someone goes to turn around their car in someone else's driveway. Pretty normal thing I've done that literally gets gunned down. Literally. In this country, you get gunned down for just using someone's driveway because you just need to turn around.

[Francis]

Okay. Is that true?

[Danny Polishuk]

Yes, yes. It's happened many times. Just like some old. There's literally like. This country's full of just like old guys sitting on their porch with loaded guns.

[Ryan]

Right.

[Danny Polishuk]

But so in Canada, this is in Ontario, some guy broke into somebody's house, I don't remember where exactly, Northern Ontario, breaks into his house three in the morning with a crossbow.

[Francis]

Okay.

[Danny Polishuk]

Breaks to rob him. And, you know, the assumption is this person wants to harm me. Right. Fair.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Danny Polishuk]

So the guy takes the crossbow from him, grabs a knife, stabs him up, and then gets arrested for stabbing the guy too many times.

[Ryan]

Right.

[Danny Polishuk]

Which is like, here is unheard of.

[Ryan]

But then last week, the reason we're not reacting is because in Britain, that's exactly what would happen.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah, that same thing.

[Ryan]

Right?

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah, yeah. But so now they're actually trying to push, like a Castle doctrine kind of thing. I don't know about all throughout Ontario or Canada, but in Ontario and a guy broke. Some people broke into someone's house in Toronto, like, last week, the guy shot them. And the premier is like, great, good stuff, boys. Like, let's. They should totally shoot them. And so they're coming around to some of this stuff, but it had to get really bad for them to have some common sense about this.

[Guest from UK]

And you just go, why did you need to let it get this bad?

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah.

[Guest from UK]

Do you never have that? Like, I kind of get, you know, the. You were just like, oh, there's no such thing as gender, and that's kind of cool, and blah, blah, blah, whatever. You know, you may think it is, but did you have to get to chopping dicks off?

[Danny Polishuk]

Right.

[Guest from UK]

You know what I mean?

[Danny Polishuk]

I mean, you think it's that bad in Canada, where we have, you know, socialized healthcare. There was a person who wanted both a penis and a vagina. There was no Canadian surgeon who could provide the service because they didn't have the know how. So then there was this huge debate about whether the Canadian government would foot the bill to send them to Austin, Texas to have the surgery.

[Guest from UK]

I really wouldn't think it could be done. You know what I mean?

[Danny Polishuk]

And they voted in favor of it. So the Canadian government was like, we will pay to send you to America to have a surgery so you could have both a penis and a vagina.

[Francis]

And the only thing they said was when you use it, you do have to say, pick your poison. That was. That was written in.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah, that was an. The bill. But like, that is. I mean, I imagine similar crazy stuff's happening in the uk. I don't know to that extent. No, no, but they send them to Thailand or something.

[Ryan]

Billy, can you look. Billy, can you please look up if Britain has ever given anyone a penis and a vagina on the nhs, can we get.

[Danny Polishuk]

Or can you get the surgery in Britain? I feel like Thailand, they're. They've been doing that for 20 years, probably, but which is.

[Francis]

And also look up. Does it count as a threesome?

[Ryan]

But you've got to think that's a complex operation, man.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah, I mean, it's. It's, you know, it's the. Remember like the first season of south park with the doctor who gave everybody eight asses?

[Ryan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Danny Polishuk]

I think it was a brand based on like some Marlon Brando movie. Like, it's that.

[Francis]

It's a plastic surgeon getting high on his own supply.

[Danny Polishuk]

It's. You were like, if you found out, like, in a normal world, if you found out a surgeon was doing this,

[Ryan]

you're like, well, maybe.

[Guest from UK]

No, no, fuck you, man. That's how I know you're Canadian. You don't have a dream. That is a pinnacle for a plastic surgeon.

[Ryan]

Maybe what's happened here is just a medical issue. They've basically run out of things to, like, pioneer. Right. Because every. Every surgeon wants to be the first surgeon to, like, do this. Separate the conjoined twins, pediatric conjoined twins. And maybe the level, like, there's only. The only place you can go from there is like, penis on top of a.

[Danny Polishuk]

What about this, though? I'll do you one better. What if you were the surgeon or the doctor that could fix their brains to not want that?

[Ryan]

That's transphobic. Yes, Billy, go on. Yes, the NHS provides gender affirming genital surgeries. I bottom surgery to transgender Patients including

[Danny Polishuk]

phalloplasty to create a penis and vaginoplasty to create.

[Ryan]

No, no, no, no, no. Billy, Billy, this level, Billy. There's levels to this game.

[Francis]

You ever heard that? You ever heard Rahzel the rapper when he says he's gonna do the beat in the chorus at the same time?

[Ryan]

Now we're talking penis on top of vagina.

[Danny Polishuk]

It's like a turduck.

[Guest from UK]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

So you've got.

[Francis]

Also look into Judas.

[Ryan]

You know what a turduckton is? So where they've got both.

[Guest from UK]

They got both. Yeah.

[Ryan]

Also do that in the incognito mode, you know.

[Francis]

Billy, can I get hands for feet and feet for hands?

[Guest from UK]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Billy is such a good boy from a good family. He can't imagine all these things. Like, for him, this is way out of the realms of the possibility.

[Francis]

Well, this guy imagines it all the time.

[Guest from UK]

Yeah. But I believe that, though, is that the most insane thing to happen in Canada?

[Danny Polishuk]

Is that the singular that's up there? I mean, to have be. I probably. I mean, obviously the medical assisted dying stuff, which obviously, like, I'm. I'm totally. You know, this is a pretty contentious issue in Canada. I'm totally fine if you have some terminal illness and you want to, you know, like, my life is just miserable. But, like, now they're saying we're extending it to mental health. Like, there was some guy who had. I think there was a guy who had seasonal affective disorder, which you're like, you just need to get through three months.

[Francis]

If they did that in America, within a week, you would see just like, dying billboards all.

[Danny Polishuk]

You know, but they were.

[Francis]

They were like, looking to die. Call Will Mataj.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah. Like, depression. They're like, we'll kill you for depression.

[Ryan]

Right.

[Danny Polishuk]

When I grew up, you had to do that yourself.

[Francis]

But if you go to Toronto and it's.

[Guest from UK]

This is another example how the society's gone soft. You know what I mean?

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah. Well, I mean, that's. I mean that, you know, I think.

[Ryan]

Take some response.

[Danny Polishuk]

I will say the thing with America, you know, they have so many guns here, and they're like, we have so many gun deaths. And you're like, a lot of those are things into their own.

[Ryan]

Isn't it true that you have more guns per person? You're just not that violent.

[Danny Polishuk]

Well, there's a lot of guns. No Canada, there's a lot of, like, long guns for hunting.

[Ryan]

Right.

[Danny Polishuk]

You know. You know, I've, like, I've. My friend in Toronto, he has tons of guns. He has an AR15. He has. But they're so strict with how you handle guns. Like if he wants to go hunting, he has to call the police station and say, I'm going hunting. I'm going to be driving from here to here. These are the roads I'm taking. So if you get pulled over, basically you're not in trouble. If you were to get pulled over and you didn't basically tell them in advance, then you're in all sorts of problems.

[Guest from UK]

That's insane.

[Danny Polishuk]

So, yeah, they're very strict with it.

[Guest from UK]

But Canada has that authoritarianism, doesn't it?

[Danny Polishuk]

Oh, yeah.

[Guest from UK]

Because when you hear people talk about it, it sounds like this, it sounds like Britain, but even more mental, which

[Danny Polishuk]

I struggle to believe was something I will say. You know, a lot of people obviously hate Mark Carney. He was, he is funny because he ran as, you know, basically opposition to Trump, liberal guy. And then he came in and he kind of tacked a little to the center. You know, he, you know, all these bureaucrats. Oh, you want to hear something crazy? Canada has 60,000 active military members. They have 90,000 members of the Canadian Revenue Agency, the IRS agents, more tax agents. They have, I believe America has, I don't know, a hundred something thousand. Canada has 90,000 for a population tenth of the size.

[Ryan]

Size.

[Danny Polishuk]

Wow. Yeah, like it's, it's a bureaucratic nightmare.

[Guest from UK]

Yeah.

[Danny Polishuk]

Country like, you know, I, I don't, I don't know what the percentage is, but huge percentage of people work for the government.

[Guest from UK]

That, I mean, you know, the thing we, and we can kind of empathize with each other about this or sympathize rather.

[Francis]

We don't live there.

[Danny Polishuk]

I like to like, yeah, I like Canada.

[Francis]

I like Toronto. If, if I, if it wasn't hard to make it, you know, kind of like do anything. If you're trying to do anything, especially in entertainment, but also other industries, if you're trying to build something huge, it's very difficult to do it in that country. But the actual city of Toronto.

[Guest from UK]

Yeah, it's great.

[Danny Polishuk]

I mean, I say all this stuff because I'm like, I want it to be better. I'm like, oh, I rest in piss, Toronto.

[Ryan]

Like, why is it better to build something here?

[Francis]

I guess you'd separate the industries a little bit. But you obviously there's like a brain drain and there's like, well, why is there brain drain? Right? So a big part of it is that when you create kind of like a socialized version, like, you know, if we have socialized television, like you have BBC, all those sort of things right there. Because they're not tied at all into the market. They can't move properly. Right. So it's very difficult, it's very difficult to, like, build in, like a current environment. It's sort of like this thing that operates isolated and imagine you were starting a company and then randomly a bunch of other companies, the government's going to subsidize them. So you just, it's, it's essentially the government deciding, like, you're doing a company and they go, we, we're doing red shirts. That's what we want to make. And you go, well, people don't want to buy those. And they go, oh, we don't, we don't care. But if you want to make what we do want to buy, also we're going to subsidize your competitors so they can sell cheap. It just becomes difficult in a lot of industries and then the opportunity is not there. But it's a great place to, for people to, for example, and stand up, like, get great while no one's watching, and then come here kind of in

[Danny Polishuk]

the 12, probably, maybe 15 big clubs, entire country. Yeah, something like that. Like, it's not particularly easy.

[Francis]

I don't know why, you know, in Britain they have basically, you know, when you look at the 500 top companies, for example, like, why do less of them? Why don't a lot of them come from Britain, in your opinion?

[Ryan]

Well, it's, it's the same reason. Plus all the other stuff we talked about, the energy cost, net zero. They make it very difficult to employ people, very difficult to fire people. So it's, it's just what you're saying. Inflexible. Right. It's not adaptable very well. So what? A lot of companies are not listening. Also, taxes are ridiculously high.

[Francis]

So you put like, regulatory capture.

[Ryan]

It's true, it's true.

[Danny Polishuk]

Taxes are pretty high here. I mean, I, I think I pay the same or more in taxes in New York City than in Ontario, minus, you know, free health care. Right.

[Ryan]

But, but think about this, though. In, in, in terms of the overall country, there's. If you want to run a manufacturing business, you wouldn't run in New York, you'd run it somewhere else. Right. So there's more room for people to do different things based on what they want to do. Whereas, like, it was just like during COVID if you, if you hated the COVID restrictions, you could go to, you know, Florida or Texas and you'd have less. We don't have that. Like, we had one rule for everybody and you can't move anywhere there isn't. We, like, we can't just move. Moved to Belgium. Not least because Belgium also had the same retarded rules. Like, you see what I'm saying?

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah, yeah. So it's like because of post Brexit, where you lost your mobility, like you're. Because you could before that, right?

[Ryan]

No, no, But. But it's like Belgium has a different language, a different culture. Like, you're not going to do that within America. You can move around.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

You know?

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Danny Polishuk]

America has everything, literally every temperature you want and like every culture you want.

[Ryan]

It's just has everything except one thing that we have in Europe. History.

[Danny Polishuk]

History. Yeah, they got some history here.

[Ryan]

History.

[Danny Polishuk]

Not the deep European history.

[Ryan]

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[Guest from UK]

One of the things do you find this quite annoying is like when you go into a comedy club or like there's a group of comedians or a group of people, particularly in America, and you say, I'm from Canada. What happens is you just get loads of Canadian jokes. It's like every time I walk into agreement, so I'm from London, they're like, oh, you're gay. You know, because Europeans are gay. Look at you sniggering away. That's the exact kind of joke you'd make. Is that.

[Francis]

Cause I'm from London. Oh, were you from London?

[Guest from UK]

Have you been stabbed yet? Do you know what I mean? And you just get all of these jokes and you. After, like, the eighth or 10th time,

[Ryan]

it gets fucking feeling patriotic there.

[Guest from UK]

Yeah, yeah, I actually get a little bit patriotic.

[Francis]

We don't have accents, which is probably a huge difference.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I get even. You. You're like. You. You're Canadian. We kind of fly under the radar a bit.

[Ryan]

Unless.

[Danny Polishuk]

Unless we tell on ourselves.

[Francis]

I like. Toronto's a city, like, not that different. Different from here. Like. Yeah, to me, I kind of. I don't think that much about Canada, but Toronto, I. I'm like, the city's sick.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah, Toronto's great. Vancouver's amazing. Montreal is fun.

[Guest from UK]

See, this is why you're not British. We would never say that about our own cities, would we?

[Danny Polishuk]

London's great. We went to London a couple years ago. I honestly forgot how amazing London was.

[Francis]

You're a big fan of that.

[Ryan]

This is great things about London.

[Guest from UK]

Yeah, I love. Yeah, well, that's my home city.

[Francis]

A little dim.

[Danny Polishuk]

Well, yeah, but that's.

[Francis]

That's all of the uk.

[Ryan]

Well, you know, before we came here, we. We had.

[Guest from UK]

Had.

[Ryan]

This is officially 60 consecutive days when. Days when it rained.

[Francis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ryan]

You're like, Vancouver, like, everyone's got. What did you call, seasonal effect. No, it's just a British way of life. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Guest from UK]

That's the thing that I love when I come here is like, the American can do spirit and attitude. It takes me about two weeks because I think they're being sarcastic to my face.

[Danny Polishuk]

Right.

[Guest from UK]

You know, when you go out, how's your difference? Yeah, yeah. And they go like, awesome. You're like, that's a bit much.

[Ryan]

Chill out, mate.

[Guest from UK]

Chill out. You know what I mean? Like, you're gonna tone it down a bit, but after a while, you kind of imbibe it.

[Ryan]

You learn to love it. Yeah.

[Guest from UK]

And then you go back to the UK and everyone thinks you're a cunt.

[Francis]

No, there is.

[Ryan]

That is actually exactly what happens, you

[Francis]

know, when I talk about, like, the committees, the globalist versus the kind of masculine nationalist or whatever. And those are the extremes. But there is something about not having to ask for permission kind of. Like, even if you think of it on, like, a granular level, like you and your friends are going to go see a movie or go somewhere to eat. There's certain people that are kind of be like, oh, you know what? Let's go here. You guys will love it, trust me. And you don't need people's permission. And there's certain people that'd be like, is this okay? Like, are we on board? And then the guy's like, I don't know. And you're like, well, you would need to convince everyone first. Like, there's certain people that need to convince everyone first and then do something. And there's certain people that are like, no, I'm going to do this. I'll get you on board. Like, trust me.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

And there's kind of like, that is a more kind of masculine spirit that is also. Probably leads to more getting. Probably leads to more catastrophes, but also more great things, right?

[Ryan]

Yes, that's definitely true. Yeah.

[Danny Polishuk]

Breaking a lot of stuff. It's like that move fast.

[Francis]

Move fast breakdown.

[Ryan]

Yeah, that worked out. I mean, it was the Facebook slow.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah. Social media, Google or something.

[Ryan]

Like, fast and break.

[Danny Polishuk]

All the tech companies now are building their own nuclear reactors here.

[Guest from UK]

Yeah.

[Danny Polishuk]

Where. Where it was, you know, nuclear was a dirty. Dirty word.

[Ryan]

Yeah. They're building them to. Of power.

[Danny Polishuk]

So we can make funny memes.

[Francis]

Well, even like, okay, you guys just, you know, started your thing. You hired people. Like, you know, you did all. There is something to be said about, like, I remember when we did a TV show, me and my. In Toronto, me and my friends all just like, made this TV show. We didn't know how to do it. We made like, crazy mistakes. We're doing, like, insane things. It was just. We just did what we thought we would do. But I think there is a lot of people that would be like, what? You can't do that. And you're just like, yeah, you can. Well, you can do anything.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Which is that spirit, I think, is I like that in other people.

[Ryan]

That's.

[Francis]

So whenever I see other people that are just like, now I'm just gonna do it.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Danny Polishuk]

It's like an adventurous.

[Francis]

Yeah, it's cool.

[Ryan]

Yeah, that's awesome. We. That. And that is something we had to learn in America by coming here. When we started, we didn't have as much of that attitude, even though we're very driven people, both of us, just because you feel more limited in the things you can create. So we actually had to see podcasting happening on a high level in America. And then when we started coming here, we started meeting people and going, whoa, Like. Like, that's a better attitude.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Yeah, you're always looking around to be better at things and attitude and skills and whatever. You want to pick that up from other people. And it's really much more readily available here.

[Francis]

I mean, for. It's. Part of it is the. The. I don't know what the time was, but the minute mile where the first guy did it, then everyone can do it. You know, so much things are that where you're just like, wait, you can just do this.

[Ryan]

Right.

[Francis]

And build it. On the tech side, though, I'm. He's a little more doomerism about that

[Danny Polishuk]

feel about the stuff, but.

[Ryan]

Doomerish.

[Guest from UK]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Yeah. And I'll tell you, this is one thing that I've felt like a lot lately is people will talk about the advancements in medical and the advancements of this. And every day on Twitter. This thing changes everything. Right?

[Ryan]

Right.

[Francis]

In all of the industries, there's an old saying in news where it was like, the news is, you know, oh, the news is right. The news is right. And then it's really wrong about the thing I know about, and then it's right. But there's something about that in every industry that I know really well, which is maybe three or four places that I, like, really understand, have spent 20 years in, not much has changed. And in all these industries that I don't understand, I'm being told everything's changing. So in your personal life, the way that you run your podcast, I'm sure there's little things.

[Ryan]

Dude, I don't know about this. I mean, I was sitting next to the guy who sells our ads. Yeah. And I was just looking over his shoulder because you do. You know, we were talking or something. I was. I looked at a screen and he was asking AI what to tell us about our sales numbers so far in the year.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Based on all the stuff he's been inputting. Right. Like it's automating a lot of things that people used to do in every.

[Francis]

Did you fire him? Yeah, but I'm fine.

[Ryan]

I was kind of like, Anton, at some point, the machine will do this for you. You know what I mean?

[Danny Polishuk]

Get a screen protector.

[Francis]

But that is. That. That's an improvement.

[Ryan]

Okay.

[Danny Polishuk]

Assuming that he can do something.

[Ryan]

For example, we record with lapel microphones.

[Danny Polishuk]

Right.

[Ryan]

As you know, the big in your face microphones are much better for audio quality. You don't have to process the sound. But we prefer the either visual. And also like how the conversation happens when people don't have to think about being in front of microphone. It's like a Stylistic choice. Because of that, we used to spend a lot of money having to process the audio.

[Guest from UK]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

To make it better. AI does that now.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

So that person who used to do that job no longer works.

[Francis]

And your company, because of all these productivity grains is growing and you're hiring more people.

[Ryan]

Actually the evidence is not quite that. The evidence is that, that most people are getting more done and the company is growing, but they're not hiring more people. You see what I'm saying? So people have.

[Danny Polishuk]

Whereas when you would grow in the

[Ryan]

future, you would have hired, but now AI does the things that you would have hired.

[Francis]

This is more broadening out because I'm talking about, you know, there's that, that conversation is more about changing everything. And you're saying marginal improvements that are

[Ryan]

great, but people aren't getting hired.

[Francis]

Okay, but look at when your job, for example, even in social media, how many people do you know? I know tons that run a little three person company that does social media stuff. Right. Okay. Before the Internet that was zero. So that was a million people that have this new job that never exists. I mean this is somewhat of a classic argument of, you know, are there more jobs than that jobs And I

[Ryan]

guess new industries will be created.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah.

[Francis]

And I'm not, I'm not like. My point is not, not. My point is not that I. If you could probably give me a bunch of examples and I could be in the argument becomes when does.

[Ryan]

Well, you just asked me if it changed anything.

[Francis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ryan]

So that's why I was saying because

[Francis]

my argument is not that it changes nothing. My argument is that the, the gains seem marginal. They aren't changing everything. Where it's not like this whole industry is being nuked. It's usually it's explaining to me how like a small company became more productive. So the doomsday scenarios don't seem as real.

[Danny Polishuk]

I'm more of a doomer.

[Ryan]

Well, I. We already see people who, who were earning like 55 grand a year last year and now they're in the newspaper. It's news, so it doesn't mean it's representative. But now they don't have a job. Yeah, right. Because so, but then look, industries have come and go in the past. That's also true.

[Danny Polishuk]

I think it just hasn't happened at this.

[Francis]

Well, my point is. Yeah. And also a lot of times it's not just something completely different. I mean, how many people do we know that had a job in broadcast media that now run a little media company themselves?

[Ryan]

Right.

[Francis]

So it's probably A good time. If you're somewhat entrepreneurial, it's probably a bad time. You know, there's going to be winners and losers. So the idea that there's like no pain and this is perfect, that's not really my position. I think every day I see like the world is over and that seems to me overblown. I don't, I don't, I don't like it.

[Ryan]

Like, why don't you.

[Danny Polishuk]

Well, I, you know the guy who started, started Uber, Travis Kalanick. So his, he has this new company where he has these ghost kitchens basically. And he developed this giant machine and he was on the all in podcast and he's talking about it. He has this huge machine and basically it will automate if you go to, you know, some one of those like slot bowl places like Chipotle or something, the entire process of producing the bowls. And he's talking about how amazing this is. And you know, it'll be so much, you know, every bowl will be the exact same, which, you know, people complain about. And there'll just be one person who needs to cut the vegetables. Otherwise everything else is automated. And they're having this whole discussion and at no point are they like, what are these people going to do when you replace them? Like he's talking about, like, this is. This technology is ready now. Right. It takes some time to actually, you know, build it out and scale it out, but it exists now. And at no point are these, you know, billionaires. These guys are all billionaires. No conversation about, like, what do you, what are these people going to do? These aren't high skilled people people.

[Ryan]

Right, right.

[Danny Polishuk]

And, and you're talking about, you know, call centers. Like, I think there's mil. 4 million people working call centers in the United States. Like, what are those people going to do? Like, they already have this technology and

[Ryan]

then you take it.

[Danny Polishuk]

And nobody likes a call center. Nobody likes calling a call center. So it's not like some big sell to get rid of this stuff.

[Ryan]

Right.

[Francis]

I think that there's a. But like there is still. You're making an argument about the detriment that this is going to have on the workforce and the things people need to do, which I somewhat agree, but that is not. The world is completely transformed.

[Danny Polishuk]

And yeah, it's not going to happen overnight. I'm not.

[Ryan]

Well, it depends on the percentage.

[Danny Polishuk]

It's going to happen at the speed. It's going to happen at a faster speed than it's ever happened.

[Ryan]

Like what, what unemployment rate takes you into the realms of like, you know, real problems. I don't know what that is. Right. But 10. Yeah.

[Danny Polishuk]

You know.

[Francis]

Well, I think they're due to Canada.

[Danny Polishuk]

I think Canada's at it.

[Ryan]

But I actually don't think this is. Is this is even, like, the job losses are. Even though the biggest concern about AI, like, the biggest concern about AI is artificial general intelligence, which is where it becomes sentient effectively. And that's where, like, if you. If you want to.

[Francis]

That's more. The stuff that I'm saying is overblown.

[Ryan]

The.

[Francis]

The.

[Ryan]

You think that's overblown the.

[Francis]

Yeah, the. That's more of the area where I'm talking about. The idea, like, the robots will kill certain jobs are going to replace. That remains to be seen.

[Ryan]

Kill us is like, what if the robots just realized that human beings, you know, the best way to help them be happy is to give them this pill that they all take so that they've got, you know, 10 times a serotonin or dopamine or whatever and.

[Danny Polishuk]

Sounds nice.

[Ryan]

Yeah, that's my point.

[Danny Polishuk]

Basically, Brave new world, right? Yeah.

[Ryan]

Right.

[Danny Polishuk]

And I mean, I think China has the. Are working on these, like, artificial womb factories. Pods. Yeah, like literal artificial. Like, you know, China is. And that's another thing. Everybody thinks China is a little ahead of us. They're way ahead of the United States and this stuff. But, you know, you know, China will be happily just cranking out kids in a factory.

[Guest from UK]

Thanks, Danny. Do you know, of all the ways I saw this episode going, a debate on AI at the end was not

[Ryan]

going to be the. You know, but the thing is, everywhere you go, this is what people are talking about.

[Guest from UK]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Because everybody kind of knows it's impactful.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Maybe things. Maybe Ryan's right. Maybe they just think it's impactful.

[Danny Polishuk]

Sure. I mean, Look, I. When ChatGPT got released a few years ago, I'd go in there and it was this novel thing, but I never really found a really good use case. It seemed too dumb. In the last three months is when I'm like, oh, okay, this is different.

[Ryan]

Now I can get this to do shit.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah. Yeah. Like, this is like, you know, I'm having it code stuff, like make programs for me that I help me, like, you know, clip videos and, like, it's. It can do stuff poorly. Well, no, honestly, not that poorly, to be honest. But my clubs are actually.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Danny Polishuk]

For what I. For what I needed to. But you can make these kind of, like, bespoke things, but, you know, I'm using it on these niche things. Like imagine what other people are doing with this stuff right now.

[Guest from UK]

And you know what's really worrying is that it's getting rid of entry level white collar jobs.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah.

[Guest from UK]

So what it's essentially meaning is there's going to be a huge swath of people, people who can't enter the workforce at the jobs that they really want to do. Like, I know someone who's a nutritionist and she was telling me, she goes, oh, we used to have a nutritionist assistant to do help us all and do all the stuff. She goes, I can now do it with AI.

[Danny Polishuk]

It's. My wife sees a nutritionist and I say, what did the nutritionist tell you? And she goes, eat broccoli. I'm like, just like the most basic stuff. I'm like, why are you just talking to Claude or Gemini or something makes, you know, stuff like that. I'm actually, I think the third world is going to get, get hurt very badly.

[Francis]

First.

[Danny Polishuk]

I think the, like, the, you know, Western, like United States will be the last to really feel this. But you know, there's a lot of people who essentially, you know, in the Philippines, India, their whole job is just like an arbitrage on cheap labor where they hire some person in the Philippines to do something super cheap.

[Francis]

Call me a dreamer. Guy that used to be, you know, do legal services. Guy used to be a plumber. It's like right now it seems like insane to run your own business, right. Within three years it's going to be so streamlined the way that, you know, how would I run, how would I be a media company? It was like, well, you just download TikTok and Instagram and you post these videos and it's actually pretty like there's a system for it. There's going to be these systems that exist of like, if you run a small business, this does your taxes, this does this and you have this one workstation. So there's going to be this guy that used to be, you know, a plumber, has a little plumbing company, a guy that used to be this. And I'm just saying I can, for every example you give me, I can picture ways in which. And I'm, I'm seeing them in my own life. Ways in which people. And it seems like quick, but it's not. It's like over the course of like three years this person went from working here to like they're running their own little thing. And I actually used to need an agency for this. Now I don't really. I used to need this for this. Now I don't really. So it's actually a barrier to entry to everything becomes. So the barrier to entry of doing anything becomes very low.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah.

[Francis]

With all these tools and that allows, you know, so. Yeah. The people that always get hurt. You're in, in the middle of your career and you're not mobile.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah.

[Francis]

So the, the future is going to be kinder to people that are mobile in different ways.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah, but you're assuming that those businesses, you know, there's going to be a lot of people starting these low cost, like Candle businesses.

[Francis]

Well, you said Candle. I don't know what type of business or whatever they might be. They might be AI experienced businesses. I don't know what they're going to be.

[Danny Polishuk]

Yeah, but there's only so much demand. I don't know. I'm, I'm not.

[Francis]

Yeah, I guess I'm more on like not the rose colored glasses.

[Ryan]

We have started a fight between our guests.

[Danny Polishuk]

This is a debate we have all

[Ryan]

the time, which is how we like to end the show. Mission accomplished. We've created division and separation. Everybody hates each other. Welcome to Trigonometry, fellas. Before we head over and ask you questions from our supporters, we actually end on a serious question, as you know. What's the one thing we're not talking about that we should be? You get one pick each.

[Danny Polishuk]

Sex robots.

[Guest from UK]

I'm so agreeing with you.

[Ryan]

Well, you don't know what he thinks.

[Guest from UK]

No, no, no, no, because I know. See, I get.

[Ryan]

She can't wait for them to come. She thinks they're the best solution to a real problem. Right. And they're better than women. And you just agreed to.

[Danny Polishuk]

Well, they have an off button. That's the main thing is you can unplug them.

[Guest from UK]

Look at Ryan. He looks so full of pride. Look at you.

[Danny Polishuk]

You do it, brother.

[Ryan]

Smash.

[Guest from UK]

Fantastic.

[Ryan]

Beautiful.

[Guest from UK]

Yeah. All our female viewers have turned off all eight of them.

[Francis]

It is true. You don't want to get cucked by a robot. That's not fun.

[Ryan]

No, I mean.

[Guest from UK]

Well, you don't know that fun is subjective.

[Francis]

You know, it might if you do get cucked. I'd rather be by a robot.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Guest from UK]

The fun is subjective.

[Francis]

And then maybe people aren't talking enough about the 10x female ETF. You don't see your ETF.

[Ryan]

What's the 10x female ETF?

[Francis]

So there's a, there's a, there's an ETF you can buy. That's a female CEO ETF.

[Danny Polishuk]

Right. Badly underperforming this year. What the fuck is an ETF exchange traded fund.

[Francis]

It's like an index fund of all the companies that have, you know, so they have all these niche ones not doing great.

[Ryan]

Right.

[Francis]

But we're saying that really right now there's someone at Bear Stearns that has to come in and talk to his clients. He's like, yeah, so we bought Tesla, Amazon 10x short of the female CEO ETF and just rebalancing the portfolio here. What was that one you just said? Just, just nothing.

[Danny Polishuk]

Highly leveraged short the female etf.

[Francis]

So I think, in all honesty, I don't think we're talking enough about Israel.

[Ryan]

We do not talk about that at all.

[Guest from UK]

Yeah, we never got to Danny's final point about sex robots.

[Danny Polishuk]

Oh, sorry, just sex robots. What do you mean?

[Francis]

He says that is too many with vaginas, not enough of dicks.

[Danny Polishuk]

No, we want them both modular. You know, you just kind of clip in whatever you want. Hey man, everybody's worried about all these kids sitting at home, you know, and like there's this whole crisis where nobody's having sex anymore or this runs joke where all the Gen Z stuff, this is just, you know.

[Francis]

Yeah, every, every article about Gen Z sounds like it's making fun of them. It's like Gen Z are virgins. Are they the gayest generation?

[Danny Polishuk]

I mean, if the sex robots show up, like, obviously, I'm sure there's a loneliness crisis that that'll help with. But I mean in terms of the population, which is obviously a real issue, population decline, can't imagine that'll help. And I can guess that those robots are coming.

[Guest from UK]

So you see, we had tent. On a depressing note. Thank you, Danny.

[Danny Polishuk]

I'm Doomer, Danny.

[Francis]

That's what I go by to make it not depressing. I don't think women are going to want robot boyfriends. And I've said, because I don't think the robot would know how to lie to the woman the perfect amount because he would go, do you want me to lie? And the robot would be like, no, tell me the truth. And he goes, your co worker sounds like the reasonable one.

[Guest from UK]

And on that note, all right, head

[Ryan]

on over to triggerpod.co.uk, where the boys will answer your question.

[Guest from UK]

Do you think the woke people who have to hold such contradictory views are closer to genius? Or are most just midwits going along because they think that's what fitting in with everyone means?

[Ryan]

Guys, let us take a minute to recommend another podcast.

[Guest from UK]

Did you know the average podcast listener has six shows in rotation? So you're most likely not just listening to trigonometry. Wait, so we know you're cheating on us?

[Ryan]

This is a describe Francis it's okay. The Jordan Harbinger show is a perfect complement to trigonometry.

[Danny Polishuk]

Really?

[Ryan]

Absolutely. Just like trigonometry, Jordan hosts weekly mind broadening conversations with some of the most fascinating people in the world. But a key difference that I'm a big fan of is that Jordan is focused on pulling actionable, growth orientated advice from his guest.

[Guest from UK]

I'm looking at his episode list now. There's an episode here where Jordan talks to a hostage negotiator from the FBI who lays out his techniques on how to get people to do what you want them to do by making them like and trust you. Sounds just like me, except you know, I'm more sas.

[Ryan]

You can't go wrong with adding the Jordan Harbinger show to your podcast rotation. Search for the Jordan Harbinger Show. That's H A R B I n G E r on Apple podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.