Jodie Bordeaux

Summary

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True Crime All The Time Unsolved — Episode 477: The Unsolved Murder of Jody Bordeaux

Release Date: August 10, 2026
Hosts: Mike Ferguson & Mike Gibson (Gibby)

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Episode Overview

This episode delves into the tragic and still unsolved murder of Jody Lynn Campbell Bordeaux. In November 1997, Jody—seven months pregnant—was killed by a hail of gunfire in her home in tiny Powhatan, Kansas. Despite apparent suspects and underlying tensions regarding her work at the Golden Eagle Casino, her case remains unsolved almost three decades later. Mike and Gibby examine the details, theories, and frustrations in a case where silence and fear in the local community may be keeping crucial answers hidden.

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Key Discussion Points & Timeline

Jody’s Background & Move to Kansas

• [04:59] Jody Bordeaux (born August 11, 1969) was only 28 and seven months pregnant when she was murdered.
• Jody met her husband, Sean Bordeaux, while he attended the University of Nebraska (son of a prominent Rosebud Sioux tribal leader).
• After their marriage in 1995, Sean was recruited as marketing director for the then-new Golden Eagle Casino, owned by the Kickapoo Nation in Kansas. Jody also took a management job at the casino.
• The couple moved to Powhatan, a remote town with less than 80 residents.

  "Sounds like my town... you could barely field a football team." — Ferguson, [07:33]

Casino Work, Workplace Tensions & Fallout

• [08:18] Both held high-profile, sometimes controversial, positions at the casino.

  "Even that perception... can draw jealousy and envy from some of the people... how does she get all the attention?” — Ferguson, [08:18]

• Jody's role involved hiring and firing, which bred animosity among staff.
• Jody’s outsider status (not Kickapoo, one from another tribe, one from none) was a sore spot:

  “There’s some competitiveness... having two people coming from other, you know, one from another tribe and one from no tribe at all... I'm sure rubbed a lot of people... the wrong way.” — Mary Pierpont, [11:04]

Workplace Conflict Escalates

• Jody reported one problematic employee repeatedly; after a drawn-out process, the employee was fired.
• In retaliation, the fired employee successfully brought a grievance against Jody, resulting in her own dismissal for being chronically late due to morning fertility treatments.

  “She was heartbroken... Sean viewed this as an act of vengeance.” — Ferguson, [13:11]

• Jody spent the following month appealing for her job back.

Anonymous Threats & Stalking

• [15:13] Around rumors of Jody’s possible return to work, she and Sean began receiving strange, anonymous late-night calls.

  “Never in my wildest dreams did I think they had anything to do with having to worry for our lives.” — Sean Bordeaux, [15:43]

• Jody also reported to her mother about frightening hang-up calls at night.

  “It scared her.” — Candace Smith, [17:55]

• Jody believed someone was lurking outside their house; she expressed fears to Sean and her mother but didn't view the threats as fatal.

The Night of the Murder — November 20–21, 1997

• [24:52] Sean and Jody were night owls, staying up past midnight.
• At about 12:40 AM [25:12], the couple heard a popping sound. Sean thought it was a light bulb, but it was the first bullet entering their home.

  “I heard a pop right over the top of my head. Earlier in the week, two lights had popped... I saw smoke. It was dust from the bullet.” — Sean Bordeaux, [25:12]

• Suddenly, a “barrage” or “hail” of gunfire tore through the house. Both ran to different rooms; their dogs began barking and running as well.

  “I literally ran through bullets. The chair I was sitting in had a bullet hole right in the center.” — Sean, [27:05]

• Moments later, Sean found Jody shot in the head, likely killed instantly, her body in the bedroom doorway.

  “Sean recalled... he grabbed the first thing he could find, a sock, to try to stop the bleeding...” — Ferguson, [29:08]

Aftermath, Investigation, & Community Response

• Sean called 911, but the dispatcher was unfamiliar with Powhatan. Emergency responders arrived in 15 minutes; Jody and the unborn baby, Jordan Shea, could not be saved.

  “He recalled kissing Jody's belly and saying goodbye to his child... I want to look them in the face... she was the most beautiful person.” — Sean, [34:22]/[48:47]

• The crime scene was heavily processed. Sean soon moved out, unable to remain in their home.
• Police counted Sean out as a suspect early on. According to Jody’s mother, “the police told me... they knew who did it.” — Candace Smith, [36:25]

Law Enforcement Efforts, Suspects, & Frustration

• A “Kansas Most Wanted” poster and a $5,000 reward were issued. Sean pled for FBI involvement but jurisdictional quirks kept federal investigators out; tribal boundaries played a role.

  "...the FBI was unable to assist." — Ferguson, [39:18]

• [42:23] In 2000, an inquest questioned about a dozen people, highlighting three main suspects (unnamed).

  “Three is better than none.” — Gibson, [43:03]

• Sean and authorities repeatedly suggested the motive was likely rooted in work-related animosity—possibly from both tribal and non-tribal members resenting “outsiders” in casino management roles.

  “These individuals were not strangers to Jody... and they would have had an axe to grind with her due to employment issues.” — County Attorney Kevin Hill, [46:28]

Community Silence & Suggested Cover-Up

• The community (especially on the Kickapoo reservation) was “tight-lipped,” with claims of threats against potential witnesses:

  “Sean told ICT that he knew who killed Jody and that others on the reservation also knew. But we're protecting the killers.” — Ferguson, [44:38]

• Media coverage (including Unsolved Mysteries) generated tips but nothing broke through the apparent local silence or possible cover-up. Alcohol was sometimes cited as a factor.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Small-Town Crime:
  “When you live in a town of 80 people, you would think you would have less crime.” — Gibson, [08:00]
• On Workplace Jealousy:
  “How do you tell someone their perception is wrong? It can kind of be kind of tough.” — Ferguson, [09:10]
• Community Frustration:
  “If you are covering up for this person or people, how do you feel good about that? What does that say about you and your character?” — Gibson, [50:20]
• On Losing Family:
  “We were so close. Jody was so loved by so many. Everyone misses her. I hope they're brought to justice. Before I die, I want to look them in the face. I would tell them they should be ashamed.” — Sean Bordeaux, [48:47]
• On Jurisdictional Barriers:
  “He even went to the IRS... Are you telling me I got to pay the taxes but you're not going to come investigate again?” — Gibson, [42:23]

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Theories & Host Insights

Was Jody the Target?

• Repeated questions if both, or only Jody, were the intended targets.
• Resentments tied to her employment, status as a non-tribal member, and firing of a problematic staffer all seen as likely motivations.
• Specifics about “anonymous callers” fuel suspicion about local involvement and premeditation.

Why No Arrests?

• “Veil of secrecy” in the community, with potential witnesses too scared to come forward.
• Possible influence/protection by those in power on the reservation.

  “If you knew that these people were killers... Is there going to be a little pucker factor?” — Ferguson, [50:31]

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Key Timestamps for Segment Navigation

• [04:59] — Introduction to Jody’s murder & background
• [13:02] — Workplace conflict and Jody’s firing
• [15:13] — Onset of anonymous threats & Jody’s fears
• [24:52] — The night of the shooting: step-by-step
• [30:14] — Immediate aftermath & Sean’s confusion
• [36:25] — Investigation, search for justice, Sean moves away
• [42:23] — Inquest and focus on three suspects
• [44:38] — Allegations of community cover-up/“protection”
• [46:28] — Law enforcement narrows focus to those with work grudges
• [48:47] — Sean’s ongoing grief and plea for justice
• [50:31] — Discussion on why silence persists and the impact of community fear
• [52:20] — Case status, current reward, and contact info

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Conclusion & Unresolved Questions

Despite apparent suspects and substantial local knowledge, Jody and her unborn daughter’s murders remain unsolved. The hosts emphasize the pain of silence and cover-up in the community, the heartbreak of lost potential, and hope that time will bring out someone ready to tell the truth.

“Nearly three decades later, the murder of Jodi Bordeaux remains unsolved.” — Ferguson, [51:18]

Contact for tips:

• Brown County Sheriff's Department: 785-742-7125
• Kansas Bureau of Investigation: 1-800-KS-CRIME

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Host Closing Thought:
“I get the feeling…that there are a number of people who know something…there seems to be quite a few allegations of a cover up… maybe at some point somebody could come forward.” — Ferguson, [52:34]

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Summary prepared to inform, intrigue, and respect the complexity of the case. For anyone with information, you’re encouraged to step forward—justice for Jody and Jordan Shea may yet depend on a community member’s courage.

Transcript

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[Mike Ferguson]

Hello everyone and welcome to episode 477 of the True crime All the Time unsolved podcast. I'm Mike Ferguson and with me, as always, is my partner in true crime. But Mike Gibson. Gibby, how are you?

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Yeah, I'm doing okay. How are you?

[Mike Ferguson]

I'm doing great. You're okay? I'm great. So between us, we're fair to middling.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

There you go right there.

[Mike Ferguson]

Let's go ahead and give our Patreon shout outs. We had Tamatha Schaffner.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

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[Mike Ferguson]

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[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

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[Mike Ferguson]

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[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

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[Mike Ferguson]

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[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

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[Mike Ferguson]

It does. It does, kind of a little bit. Reina Lizarraga.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Ah, Raina. I love it.

[Mike Ferguson]

I dated a woman named Rainey, which I thought was a really cool name.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Yeah, like rainy. Like, it's rainy outside.

[Mike Ferguson]

That's exactly how it was spelled, too,

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

when you dated it might have had

[Mike Ferguson]

a knee in it. I can't remember.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

You dated it? Did it feel like it was always raining? No, no, no.

[Mike Ferguson]

And last but not least, just Bobby.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Hey, thanks. Just Bobby.

[Mike Ferguson]

And then if we go back into the vault this week, we selected Latis

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

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[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah. Appreciate the new support, the continued support. We also had some sizable paypal donations from Kelly Knudson.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Thanks, Knudson.

[Mike Ferguson]

And Alexis Husky.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Husky. You know who was Husky?

[Mike Ferguson]

You as a child.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

I was. I wore huskies.

[Mike Ferguson]

Because you were husky.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Because I was husky.

[Mike Ferguson]

So we have an episode out right now on True Crime all the Time, where we're talking about Shelly Turner. She was a high school track star who went missing after seeing her new boyfriend one night in January 1993. And they initially suspected him, right? As you would believe. But after several weeks, investigators uncovered a surprising suspect. And it's a fascinating case.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

And, you know, when you say track star, this was a woman who. A young woman who was about ready to explode. I mean, they were talking Olympics.

[Listener/Caller]

Yeah.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

She was on the national level.

[Mike Ferguson]

Big time. Colleges.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

All right, buddy. Are you ready to get into this episode of True Crime? All the Time Unsolved?

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

I am.

[Mike Ferguson]

We're talking about the murder of Jody Bordeaux. Jodi Bordeaux was murdered nearly three decades ago. In November 1997, Jodi, who was seven months pregnant, was shot in the head when a hail of gunfire pierced the walls of her home in Powhatan, Kansas. Although police believe the shooting was targeted, no suspects have ever been named and no arrests have ever been made in Jodi's case. Jody Lynn Campbell Bordeaux was born on August 11, 1969, in Lincoln, Nebraska. She was only 28 years old when she died.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Young, Very young.

[Mike Ferguson]

Jody met her husband, Sean Bordeaux, in Nebraska while Sean was attending the University of Nebraska in Lincoln. Sean's father was a longtime Rosebud Sioux tribal leader in South Dakota.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

That's impressive.

[Mike Ferguson]

It is. Do you know what the University of Nebraska's mascot is?

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Huskers Cornhuskers.

[Mike Ferguson]

Cornhuskers.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

I am surprised you got that one.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

I've been through Nebraska, and it is nothing but corn.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, well, some people would Say, core corn and cows here in Ohio. That's true. You know, one place I've always wanted to go but have never been is South Dakota.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

I've been there once.

[Mike Ferguson]

That's on my bucket list. I really want to go to South Dakota.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Well, I hope you enjoy it. I had an interesting experience in Mitchell, South Dakota. So, you know.

[Mike Ferguson]

Oh, just the. The veiled mystery of that for some reason made me snort. I don't know why. Jody and Sean married in South Dakota on October 7, 1995. At the wedding, Sean's family members asked him to serve as marketing director of the newly established Golden Eagle Casino near Horton, Kansas. The Kickapoo Nation owns the casino, and they were the first tribe in Kansas to open one. The casino was a major development for the tribe because it earns millions of dollars every year and provides job opportunities. And that's a big deal.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

It is a big deal.

[Mike Ferguson]

Marketing director of this brand new casino, Jody was also offered a job at the Golden Eagle Casino. Jody and Sean moved into a small home on the outskirts of Powhatan, Kansas, a town with a population of less than 80 people near the Kickapoo reservation.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Sounds like my town.

[Mike Ferguson]

80 people. You could barely feel the football team between the whole. The town.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Pretty scarce with reserves, you know, and everything. Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

It was said that Sean and Jody mostly kept to themselves because they hadn't lived in town all that long. But Sean did mention to some people in the community that they moved to Powhatan to get away from crime.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Well, when you live in a town of 80 people, you would think you would have less crime.

[Listener/Caller]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

I mean, what are you going to have? And how is somebody going to commit a crime and go unnoticed? Because everybody has to know everybody in a town of 80 people.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Well, you would think it'd be difficult.

[Mike Ferguson]

As mentioned, Sean and Jody were part of the management team of the Golden Eagle Casino. Jody was eventually promoted to staff supervisor of the slot machine department. Sean recalled that he was thrilled for his wife telling Unsolved Mysteries. And to see her in the casino, you would think she was running most things. And even that perception, it can draw jealousy and envy from some of the people who may be in the same position, saying, how does she get all the attention? And you and I have dealt with some workplace jealousy we have in the past.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Always amazes me.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, I mean, sometimes it's warranted. I think most often it's not. But, you know, how do you tell someone their perception is wrong? It can kind of be kind of tough.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

It is.

[Mike Ferguson]

Jody and SEAN often worked 18 hours a day. Sean told the Topeka Capital Journal that Jody did a lot of hiring and firing, so she was often viewed as the bad guy.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Oh, those days of firing people, you were so good at that.

[Podcast Narrator (Carter Roy)]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

Although I didn't, like. Wasn't that hard for me.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

I mean, I don't feel like I ever fired anyone who didn't deserve it. And that's kind of the mindset that I went into it with.

[Listener/Caller]

Now.

[Mike Ferguson]

There were some people who got let go that didn't deserve it, like layoffs and things like that. Always felt bad for those people.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Sure.

[Mike Ferguson]

I never really felt bad. I don't think for anybody I had to fire because there was always a pretty good reason for it.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

But they certainly didn't like you after that, though.

[Mike Ferguson]

No, no. I remember one woman, she loaded all of her desk into, like, a big Hefty bag.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

And I made the mistake of walking in front of her as I was escorting her out of the building. And, man, she reared back and hit me in the back with that Hefty bag and knocked me down. I never will forget that. And I never made that mistake again. That's why police officers don't walk in front of people, because it can be dangerous. Jody believes some of the staff were jealous of her new position as staff supervisor. That's kind of what we were talking about. Right. When anyone gets promoted, at least in our experience, someone is not going to be happy. They're going to be jealous because they feel or felt as though they were more deserving than the person who got it right.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Yeah. Should have been me, not them.

[Mike Ferguson]

So there can be some animosity. Right. Towards people when they get promoted. It happens quite a bit. Mary Pierpont, a reporter for ict, told Unsolved Mysteries, there's some competitiveness when it comes to these jobs, and having two people coming from other, you know, one from another tribe and one from no tribe at all and going into high positions in the casino, I'm sure rubbed a lot of people on the Kickapoo reservation the wrong way.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Well, I bet it did. You know, you're not one of us. How are you getting this job over us? You know, the people from this nation?

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah. And that adds an element different than what you and I are used to. We didn't have that element to it. Sean said that Jody frequently reported the same employee for his bad attitude and tardiness. He continued causing problems, so she had to start writing him up and holding him to the casino's policies and procedures. The Employee was brought before the casino management board for review. He was reprimanded and put on probation, but the problems continued, and he was eventually fired.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

I mean, look, how many times can you warn somebody about what they're doing wrong and then, you know, go to a board review and get put on probation, but yet you still continue to do the wrong things? Do you not expect that you're going to eventually get fired?

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, I don't get it. I've seen people do it, though.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

It's like they just don't change no matter what you tell them or. But I think, as you know, we go through this case, this is a person that has to be looked at.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Sure. Right.

[Mike Ferguson]

Is there going to be some hard feelings? Because this person looks at Jody as the one who got them fired.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Right. Not the company, this individual.

[Listener/Caller]

Right.

[Mike Ferguson]

A few weeks later, the employee brought a grievance against Jody to the Tribal council. And because of the complaint, she lost her job.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Wow.

[Mike Ferguson]

It was said that Jody was heartbroken, and Sean viewed this as an act of vengeance. Sean told the Topeka Capital Journal that Jody was fired because she was one hour late for a week straight. Jody had been traveling to a nearby town each morning to get fertility treatments so they could start their family. But she made up for her missed time, and she spent the next month petitioning the Tribal council to rehire her. So it's kind of a strange situation, and we don't have all the details right. Did she get this approved? Did she not get it approved? It sounds like maybe she didn't, and she thought that maybe just making up the hour would suffice, and they thought, no, it doesn't. You were an hour late for a whole week. And I don't know.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

I mean, look, I know from past experience that when you are overseeing people and they don't like it, they have a tendency to start looking at everything you do to see what they can get you for. Yes.

[Mike Ferguson]

Oh, yeah. I think it's very, very common. I mean, I've had complaints against me. I'm sure you've had complaints. I'm sure you've had a lot of complaints against you, but why you have to say it that way for all kinds of different reasons.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

I've got complaints with your HR department right here.

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[Mike Ferguson]

And I am the HR department.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

I know it's weird that you file your own complaint against me to yourself.

[Mike Ferguson]

Open up that box and just see what complaints we have for this week. I wrote them all, but I'm going to read them to you. Although there were difficulties at work, Sean and Jody were experiencing an exciting time in their personal lives. After going through two miscarriages and fertility treatments, Jody was expecting their first child, a girl. At the time of her death, Jody was seven months pregnant. They planned to name their daughter Jorda Shea Bordeaux.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

That's so sad thinking about it.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah. I mean, sad that she was a young woman, right, that we know lost her life, but then also she was seven months pregnant. Jodi focused on preparing for their baby while Sean continued working. Around the time it was rumored Jodi might come back to the casino, Jodi and Shawn began receiving strange anonymous phone calls. Sources didn't provide many details about the content of these calls. Sean told Unsolved Mysteries that never in my wildest dreams did I think they had anything to do with having to worry for our lives. I had no idea that we were being threatened.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Look, you're just living your life in your new town. Who would ever think that someone is going to come after you because they don't like you? What is the reason behind this?

[Mike Ferguson]

Well, and again, we don't have the details of what was, you know, in these calls, what was said, but I take it from Sean's comment that it wasn't like, I'm going to kill you or you better watch your back because I'm coming after you. Because if that were the case, you would have an idea that you're being threatened.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Right.

[Mike Ferguson]

So I don't know if these were hang up calls, heavy breathing calls, I don't know what they were, but they, they couldn't have been ominous to the point where either Jody or Sean felt as though they were in danger. But Jody believes someone was lurking in their yard. One night while Sean was at work, Jody called and was worried because she thought someone was outside. Sean told her it was probably a raccoon or a coyote. Whereas they say out west a coyote.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Coyote, yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

Which is kind of fun to say.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

You said it. Was it fun?

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Okay.

[Mike Ferguson]

But I usually say coyote because that's kind of how it's set around here.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

So is it the Wiley coyote or Wiley coyote?

[Mike Ferguson]

I don't know why out West a lot of people say coyote, but it's

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

kind of fun to say, let's go get some coyote. Wonder if that raccoon was that famous raccoon that's out there now. That Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy.

[Mike Ferguson]

I guarantee you that's not correct. I don't know what it is because I don't know what famous raccoon you're talking About?

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Ask your kids.

[Mike Ferguson]

I'm sure they know it's a tick tock thing. Probably. But Jimmy I doubt is correct because then you said Jimmy, and that's probably not right either.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

It's in that ballpark.

[Mike Ferguson]

You always say ballpark, but I don't even think you're playing the right game, the right sport, let alone that you're in the right ballpark. Jody's mother, Candace Smith, who lives in Lincoln, said Jody also talked to her about the mysterious phone calls she received late at night. According to Candace, Jody would answer and the caller hung up on her. Candace told the Topeka Capital Journal that went on and on and on. It scared her. So maybe we're getting a little more information, right, about what these calls are, you know, are they just hang ups? And I shouldn't say just because those can be scary.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

They can be, you know, who is

[Mike Ferguson]

just calling and hanging up on me. Also, you know, we have to think about Jody being home alone because Sean's working, you know, 18 hours a day. It said they both were. But now she's at home alone. That would make it even more scary.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

I mean, think about this time, you know, in the 90s here, and think about now. I mean, stalkers and weirdos, they can't do this now. They can't really call you and hang up. They can't because one caller id. But if you get around that nobody's answering their phone anymore.

[Mike Ferguson]

That's true.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

You can't even call somebody. And you know, well, first of all,

[Mike Ferguson]

I don't even have a landline.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Well, that's true.

[Mike Ferguson]

And a lot of people don't anymore. And now the cell phone somehow is set up to screen calls, which I love. The only bad part is when it's somebody I actually want to talk to, but they're not in my contact list. I can't figure out how to answer the phone.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

So I have to wait for them to leave a voicemail and then call them back. But I'm with you right now. I'm sure there are people who can find a way to get around certain things. But, you know, it's not like the police couldn't figure it out right after the fact. If things went really, really wrong. I, I'm sure there's a lot less crank phone calls nowadays than there were when, you know, you and I were younger in, in the 80s and into the early 90s. August is the perfect time to hit reset before the autumn rush begins. And honestly, I can't think of a better place to start in my closet. That's why I love shopping at Quints. Quint specializes in everyday staples that work harder like their ultra soft organic cotton tees and premium Mongolian cashmere sweaters. They're versatile, timeless and transition seamlessly from a casual workday to dinner out. Everything at quints is priced 50 to 80% less than similar brands. They work directly with ethical factories and cut out the middlemen. So you're paying for high quality, not brand markup. And it's not just clothing. Quince has become my go to for everything from hotel quality bedding and bath essentials to premium cookware and travel must haves. My wife and I just ordered some new bedding from Quince and it's amazing. The quality is unbelievable and the price is right. Upgrade your everyday download the Quint's app for app exclusive offers or go to quince.com truecrime get free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. Now available in Canada and the UK too. That's Quincom Truecrime hey folks, I know a lot of you out there have thought about starting your own business, but maybe you didn't because it can be daunting. Gibby and I had a lot of things to take into consideration when we started the podcast, but one thing you don't have to worry about is your storefront because Shopify will help you take care of that. We've been using Shopify for six or seven years now and it's a game changer. Shopify's templates and AI tools get you a stunning site up and running fast. No coding needed. And if any questions come up, Shopify's built in AI Assistant Sidekick is ready to help you build, troubleshoot and keep moving. No need to wait in a line, no frustratingly complicated searching, just you getting help in real time so you can get on with your day. Because Shopify handles the setup and checkout, you have more time to focus on growing your business and the tools to do it. You don't have to have an army of employees if you have Shopify. They help you figure things out when you need it most. And if you're one of those people who's been on the fence, jump off the fence. Start your own business. All you need is the idea. Shopify handles the rest. If you're serious about hearing your first Start your free [e-mail] unsolved today. You heard that right. Start your free trial [e-mail] unsolved. That's shopify.com unsolved On November 19, 1997, Jody and Sean drove to Topeka for a date. They ate at Red Lobster, Jody's favorite restaurant. Sean offered to take Jody to a movie, but she said no because she felt like they had spent too much on dinner. She did want to buy a couple of outfits for the baby.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Probably like you when you go to Red Lobster. You get those cheddar biscuits and, oh, my goodness, double lobster meal and extra butter or whatever that stuff is. You soak your lobster in everything.

[Mike Ferguson]

I mean, I know you and I just did a whole thing on Patreon about what you don't like to eat, right, and seafood is at the top of your list, but my whole family loves Red Lobster. I don't know if it's as good as it used to be, but I'm not sure. A lot of things are as good as they used to be where you get as much for the money as you used to get. But when you're in the middle of Ohio, you don't have a lot of seafood choices.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

That's true. You're very Limited.

[Mike Ferguson]

On November 20, Sean had the night off. He and Jody planned a quiet evening at home. He helped Jody prepare dinner and gave her a back rub.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

All right.

[Mike Ferguson]

Hey, that's a good guy right there. Yeah, right? She's pregnant. You're gonna have to give some feet rubs and some back rubs and all that because, you know, she's going through it.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

She's carrying that baby for you.

[Mike Ferguson]

Now, in my case, I had to go get a lot of hot fudge cakes.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Oh, man, those are good.

[Mike Ferguson]

My wife had a craving for hot fudge cakes that could not be quenched and root beer floats.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Floats on top of that. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

She has a real sweet tooth. Anyway, but when she was pregnant, it was all hands on deck. I mean, I was like Willy Wonka up in here.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Were you allowed to get yourself some, too, or.

[Mike Ferguson]

No, I could have. I don't like any of that stuff.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Okay. Did you always get two of everything? Just have one backup just in case.

[Mike Ferguson]

No, no, no. That stuff doesn't really stay good. Stay good. So I just have to run out the next day and get another one. It was said, though, that Sean and Jody were night owls, so they were up past midnight on November 21st. Now, I don't really consider that to be a night owl.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Well, not now you don't.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, because my bedtime is about 3am yeah. Around 12:40am they were watching TV and talking about their bills when they heard a noise that startled their two dogs. Sean told the Topeka Capital Journal, At 12:40, I heard a pop right over the top of my head. Earlier in the week, two lights had popped. When I heard this pop, I looked at the lamp. I saw smoke. It was dust from the bullet. Since two of their light bulbs had gone out that week and made a similar noise, Shawn assumed the lamp by his head was the source of the sound. In reality, a bullet had just gone through their wall, leaving dust in its wake. Shawn thought the dust originally was smoke from the lamp bulb going out. But obviously, as he told the newspaper, he eventually realized it came from a bullet. The dogs jumped up. This startled Sean and Jody, and they jumped up as well. They looked at each other. Jody ran to the bedroom, and he ran to the kitchen, following the dogs. And I think I've told this story before, Gibbs. I don't know if I've told it on unsolved, though, but in the house I currently live in, because we've been here, like, 23 years. Years and years ago, we did have a bullet that ripped through our house. Yeah, we believe it came from, like, a field, you know, across the road. But I called the police. They came out here, they did the dowel rods and everything to see the trajectory. I mean, nothing happened. Nobody got hurt. I don't even think we were home at the time. Yeah, we just noticed a bullet lying in one of the bedrooms, and we're like, that can't be good.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Right?

[Mike Ferguson]

And then you start to trace the holes, and you can see where it came from. But it's a scary thing.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Yeah, it has to be.

[Mike Ferguson]

The thought that you could just be walking through your home and have a bullet just rip through.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Could end up hurting you or killing.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, somebody. So they're, you know, jumping up, they're starting to run around. After a pause, there was a barrage of gunfire, and neither one of them was quite sure what was happening. Sean explained that he still thought the noise was coming from the lamp bowl because he simply just couldn't believe what was happening at that moment. He said, I heard what sounded like a 20 pack of fireworks. We looked at each other. He continued in his description of the shooting, per the Topeka Capitol Journal. I literally ran through bullets. The chair I was sitting in had a bullet hole right in the center. I get into the kitchen, and my dogs are spinning circles. He later realized that if they hadn't jumped up, they both might have died. All right, we've gone from scary to absolutely terrifying. One bullet.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Scary, Yes.

[Mike Ferguson]

A barrage, a hail of Gunfire. Absolutely terrifying.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

You might be able to dodge. You might be able to dodge one bullet, but how?

[Mike Ferguson]

Who are you, the Matrix?

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

I'm just saying, you know.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah. You're not dodging a bullet. It just didn't hit you.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Yeah, you got lucky.

[Mike Ferguson]

Okay. Because when you say dodge, I'm thinking like you got out of the way of a bullet. That is not happening.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

No, no, no. But you got lucky. But when you have a barrage coming at you, that luck is diminished by a lot.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah. I thought for a minute there, you thought you were Neo or something, bending backwards and dodging bullets.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Or like Bruce Lee catching the bullet with his. Did he catch it with his teeth or something?

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, I don't know if that's real or not.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

It's Bruce Lee.

[Mike Ferguson]

Sean recalled letting the dogs outside onto the porch. He was hoping that one of his dogs, who was more aggressive, would get outside and go after the shooter or shooters. But it was his second, more timid dog that ran outside. The aggressive dog got locked inside the porch. When the door shut, Shawn returned to the kitchen and called out for Jody. He saw her feet in the bedroom doorway and found her laying on her back. Jody had been shot in the top of the head above her left eye. Initially, he thought she had been cut by exploding glass from the light bulb. He grabbed the first thing he could find, a sock, to try to stop the bleeding. He soon realized she had been shot and died instantly. So I just said how terrifying it would be to have all these bullets. Right. Coming into your house. But now, as a husband, to find your wife who had been shot and is dead. I mean, there's so much going on here, Gibbs.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

I don't know what he's able to process in that moment, but none of it's good.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

No, it's not. I don't know why he still thinks about this light bulb.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah. I don't know if it's because that was his initial thought, and it just wouldn't leave his mind again. I don't know how you're processing this. And maybe you don't process it logically because it doesn't seem real. I don't know. I've never been in a position like this. But you're right. He does kind of keep coming back to this light bulb. And maybe he's just hoping that she wasn't hit by a bullet. She got hit by a flying piece of glass. Because that might be a little better.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Sure. Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

According to the Kansas Bureau of Investigations, Sean heard a vehicle when he was at Jody's side. He later told the news outlet ICT I do surmise this. When she ran, she got to the bedroom. She could have just laid on the bed or something. It was as though she had turned around to check on me, like she was worried. So she stopped in the doorway and she turned back around, and that was when she got hit.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Possible?

[Mike Ferguson]

No, it's absolutely possible. But is that going to make the grief for him even worse? I would think yes, because he's thinking that now the only reason she's dead is because she was worried about him and wanted to check on him. Sean went to the living room to get their phone to call 91 1. When he looked up, he saw the living room wall riddled with bullet holes. And in that moment, he realized what had just happened. So, I mean, I do think it was very confusing for him. I mean, I think on some level he knew. Right. That bullets were flying in. But maybe he didn't know how many.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Maybe it just didn't register.

[Listener/Caller]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

Because he kept going back to this light bulb and. But yet he said it looked like a bullet went through this chair where he was sitting. So I don't think you're going to be the most logical that you ever can be in this scenario where everything has gone to hell.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

I just don't think it's possible. Sean recalled that while he was on the phone with 91 1, he had to repeat his location multiple times because the operator didn't know where Pow Hatton was. And you know, when you're in these small areas. Right. You don't have a 911 system for Powhatan. There's only 80 people there. So you have a 911 system that probably has to encompass a number of small areas. Right. Or it's in a big area, but also has to service surrounding towns that are much smaller. It is a little strange that the person wouldn't know where this town was. But if they're servicing it, I can

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

see that happening because I've driven through some communities near me that have been there, obviously, the whole time I've lived in this part of Ohio. And I'm like, what is that town? I didn't know that was here. And if someone would. If someone would ask me, I would have never been able to tell them, oh, that town exists.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah. But you're also not a 911 operator.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

No, that's true.

[Mike Ferguson]

So I'm not putting this 911 operator down at all. It's just surprising.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

That, you know, again, I don't know how far the coverage extended or anything like that. Sean recounted kissing Jody's belly and saying goodbye to his child, telling ICT until now, I didn't know that was what I was doing. I felt compelled to kiss my wife on the belly. I thought, you know, Sean, your baby is saying goodbye seems a little strange,

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

but also very sad.

[Mike Ferguson]

Very sad. And my only thought is he must have thought in that. That moment that there's no way that the baby could survive. Yeah, right. She's already dead. We don't know how long it's going to take for emergency services to arrive, and it did take them about 15 minutes to get to their address. Even though Jody died instantly, Sean asked them if their baby could still be safe. But because of the length of time it took EMS to get to them and the distance to the hospital, he was told the baby didn't have a chance of survival.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Heartbreaking.

[Mike Ferguson]

It's two heartbreaks, right? You've lost the love of your life, your wife, you've lost your unborn baby, and you're still trying to make sense of what the heck happened.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Yeah, I'm sure his mind is just cloudy, like, what, What. What the hell did I just go through?

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah. I can't imagine being in his position.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

And on top of that, who would do this to my family?

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah. I don't even know if he's gotten to that point in his thought process yet. When speaking about how the shooter snuck up on them, Sean told ICT that they had thin shades that were practically see through, so anyone outside could have seen them in the living room. He also said they lived in the middle of nowhere in Powhatan, so it was hard to say if the shooters drove past or parked on the road. On November 22, authorities announced they were still trying to piece together what happened, and they had identified a couple of suspects, but no one had been named or arrested. Investigators wouldn't let Shawn into the house for several days while they were processing the crime scene. As soon as he was allowed back in, Sean and his family packed up a rental truck with his belongings and he moved out. He can no longer stand to be in the house where he lost his wife and unborn child.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Man, I get that, you know, I'd have to be out of there, too. There's no way I'm gonna remain in that house.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, I get that as well. First of all, they hadn't lived there that long. There wasn't, you know, the memories or the attachment to the house, so. But there's going to be really Bad memories now, and who wants to live through that every day? You're still going to have them in your head no matter where you go. But to stay in that house day in and day out, that would be, I would think, torture. You're just going to relive it vividly. Right. Over and over. Authorities do not think Sean was involved in his wife's murder in any way, according to Jody's mother, Candace, per the Topeka Capitol Journal. I think he was a very caring husband. The police told me right from the beginning that they knew who did it. And that's always fascinating.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Right.

[Mike Ferguson]

We do quite a few cases where, you know, it seems as though the police have a prime suspect.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

But they don't come out and, let's say, call the person that. They may not even name the person publicly. But they did say, Right, they had identified a couple of suspects even though they didn't name them.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

And now Jody's mom is saying that the police told her they knew who

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

did this, which could be comforting in one way, but also could be very frustrating if you never do anything about that.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah. If you're the family, I think at first you're probably like, okay, well, they're on the right track. They're going to get these people, you know, we're going to get justice for Jody, justice for, you know, the unborn child. But then as the months and years drag on and no one is arrested, no one is put on trial, that frustration is going to grow.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Absolutely.

[Mike Ferguson]

And I don't think there's any way around that. In January 1998, Brown county and Kansas Bureau of Investigation Authority circulated a Kansas Most Wanted poster featuring a photo of Jody in hopes of generating leads. The Kickapoo Tribal Council also offered a $5,000 reward for information. Sean tried to get the FBI involved in the investigation, but he couldn't do it due to jurisdictional issues. Sean and Jody's home sat on the original boundaries of the Kickapoo reservation, but an 1862 treaty reduced the boundaries, so technically, their home was half a mile outside the borders recognized by the Bureau of Indian Affairs. Because of this, the FBI was unable to assist.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Well, that's unfortunate.

[Mike Ferguson]

It is. But we've heard this before. You know, the FBI, they have kind of a set in stone list of things that allows them to get involved in a case, and apparently this didn't warrant them getting involved. This episode is sponsored by Ro. Listen, we're all hearing a lot about GLP1s lately, and probably a lot of us think that they're just too expensive. But the reality is GLP1 medications may be more affordable and accessible than people realize. ROE helps people find the lowest cost path to FDA approved GLP1 treatment, whether that's through insurance coverage or cash pay options. So don't write off GLP1s before you explore. ROE wants to help people lose weight. That's why they have some of the lowest cost GLP1 options out there. Whether you're paying with insurance or cash. They have a free insurance checker that makes it easy to see if you're covered for GLP1 injections. Ro offers a multi month membership option in addition to multi month medications that help members prepay and save on their GLP1 medications. It's just another way RO's working to increase access to this life changing medication. I already take a shot for my diabetes, but if I didn't I would Definitely go with RO. Join the over 1.5 million people who've trusted RO on their weight loss journey. Go to RO Co Unsolved to see if you qualify. That's R O Co Unsolved. To get started on RO for side effects of GLP1 medications, including Boxed Warning, go to RO CO Safety. You're listening to this podcast, so I know you've got a curious mind. Here's a helpful fact you might not know yet. Drivers who switch and save with progressives save over $900 on average. They make it super simple. Pop over to progressive.com, answer some questions and you'll get a quick quote with coverage options tailored to your choices. Plus you'll see which discounts you may qualify for, like the online quote discount or savings for paying in full. In fact, 99% of Progressive Auto customers earn at least one discount. See if you could save when you switch to Progressive. You'll feel good about making a savvy choice. Visit progressive.com and see if you can enjoy a little extra cash back. Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates national average 12 month savings of $946 by new customers surveyed who saved with Progressive between June 2024 and May 2025. Potential savings will vary. It was said that Sean even went to the IRS to try to get the FBI to recognize he was living on tribal land but was unsuccessful.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Probably like, hey, I'm being charged taxes that I live there. Are you telling me I got to pay the taxes but you're not going to come investigate again?

[Mike Ferguson]

Another frustration right for him. In October 2000, authorities in Brown county held an inquisition into the murder. Authorities Said they had new leads, but they were keeping them under wraps to protect the investigation. About a dozen people were questioned concerning the murder, some of whom had already been questioned before. Three people were considered potential suspects.

[Listener/Caller]

Okay.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

I mean, I like that they have that right. Three potential suspects.

[Mike Ferguson]

Well, three is better than none.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Exactly.

[Mike Ferguson]

For sure. What we don't know because again, police, you know, they don't give out everything is what made these three people potential suspects.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

And we don't know the details, and that can be frustrating in cases like this.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

And we know she was the victim, but was she the target? Were they both the target? Was he the target?

[Mike Ferguson]

It's kind of hard to tell when you're just firing indiscriminately into the home. Now, if you develop a good suspect, maybe from that you're able to narrow down who the target actually was.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

For instance, if one of the potential suspects was this person that she fired, well, then more likely than not she would be the intended target.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Sure.

[Mike Ferguson]

Sheriff Lamar Shoemaker explained this was basically a fact finding scenario. We brought witnesses in and had them answer questions under oath. We wanted to see in a controlled environment how this affected alibis or if it created leads. I don't think it's a bad thing to do. You start asking people questions under oath, you know, do their alibis change? Do they get blown apart?

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

I think you got to shake the bush or rattle the cage or whatever the saying is.

[Mike Ferguson]

You could pretty much say anything and say that's your saying.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

That's true.

[Mike Ferguson]

In December 2000, Sean told ICT that he knew who killed Jody and that others on the reservation also knew. But we're protecting the killers. He also wanted to see the murderer listed as a double homicide because he lost his unborn child. Dr.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

I think that's fair.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, I think that's very fair. I think if someone was tried, they should be held accountable for the unborn child as well. Unsolved Mysteries covered Jody's case in the summer of 2001. Producers became interested in the case after reading ICT's December 2000 story. The episode was filmed in 2001. ICT reported that some people allegedly threatened tribe members who planned to talk to producers. The episode generated a few tips, but there were no arrests.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Some people threaten some tribe members.

[Mike Ferguson]

Well, and you're really getting the sense here that everything is kind of coming back to the reservation.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

You know, Sean saying he knows who did it, but people on the reservation are protecting them. Now the paper's reporting that some people allegedly threatened tribe members who had Plans to talk to unsolved mystery producers. It makes you think. Or it could make someone think that the shooters lived on the reservation or were tribal members or something like that.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

I mean, if the reservation wanted to take care of these bad people themselves, okay. But to have some people protect them, I think that's wrong. If that's really what's happening.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, I think it's wrong, too. I mean, obviously, this was a terrible, terrible tragedy, and somebody should, you know, be held accountable for it. County attorney Kevin Hill told Unsolved Mysteries at the time. We've gone from a point where just about everyone was a possible suspect to a point where we're focusing on an individual or a group of individuals that may have been responsible for this. These individuals were not strangers to Jodi Bordeaux. The individuals knew her, and they would have had an axe to grind with her due to employment issues.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

That's saying something big right?

[Mike Ferguson]

There it is. And it's kind of going back to, you know, is this someone she fired had to let go, or is it someone who thought they should have gotten the promotion when she did? I mean, there's a. There's a couple of different ways to look at it. I think when you're talking about employment issues, to me, it's more likely that as a supervisor, she fired someone and they held a grudge against her. Shawn moved back to South Dakota after Jody's death. He lived on the Rosebud reservation in Mission, South Dakota, served as a state representative, and worked at Sente Gleska University. So pretty impressive, right, being a state representative working at the university? I mean, at the very least, you know, he did move on with his life.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

I'm not saying it's all wine and roses, because I don't think anybody who experiences something like this is ever going to forget it or completely move past it.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

I'm sure he has moments where he wakes up reliving what happened.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, I'm sure. After moving back, Sean was in contact with Law Enforcement Weekly. He told the Topeka Capital Journal that even though he had children, he never forgets his unborn daughter, Jordan Shea. And he thinks of Jody every single day.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

There you go.

[Mike Ferguson]

He said. We were so close. Jody was so loved by so many. Everyone misses her. I hope they're brought to justice. Before I die, I want to look them in the face. I would tell them they should be ashamed. She was the most beautiful person.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

I mean, if you think about it, right, if they did this because they were pissed off because they got fired, how do you Sleep with yourself at night knowing that you killed somebody over that?

[Mike Ferguson]

How do you sleep with yourself at night? Or how do you live with yourself? Or how do you sleep at night?

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[Mike Ferguson]

I think maybe you conflated those two things, but I get what you're saying, right. And I always go back to. I just think there are some people who. They have no empathy, therefore, they have no remorse about terrible things they've done. So they might sleep fine at night. They might not even think about it. But other than if there's something on the news, okay. They don't want to get caught, but they're not sitting around wallowing, feeling sorry for what they did. Yeah, there are some people who do, but I think there's a lot of people who don't. And it's hard to imagine for most of us who do have that type of empathy, we. We feel sorry for these people in the story.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Right.

[Mike Ferguson]

So can't imagine if we were the one who actually inflicted this type of tragedy, what that feeling would be like.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

And if you are covering up for this person or people, how do you feel good about that? Right. I mean, what does that say about you and your character?

[Mike Ferguson]

Well, nothing good.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

No.

[Mike Ferguson]

Although authorities conducted an extensive investigation, the killer remains at large and the murder weapon was never found. According to the Topeka Capital Journal, three or four names kept surfacing. Some people on the Kickapoo reservation said they knew who killed Jody but were too scared to come forward. And that's an element there that we haven't talked about. You said, how do you sleep at night if you don't come forward? Well, if you knew that these people were killers, is there going to be a little pucker factor there? And you're going to be scared to come forward and cross them, and I understand that that's a tough decision.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

It is.

[Mike Ferguson]

Jordan's family told the paper that there was a veil of secrecy in the community. Sean and others said alcohol played a factor in the murder in 2015 under Sheriff Randy Link. And Brown County Attorney Kevin Hill told the Topeka Capital Journal that the case remains open and a few tips still trickle in. So law enforcement determined the murder may be related to employment issues, and Jody may have been killed by someone who might have had an axe to grind. But nearly three decades later, the murder of Jodi Bordeaux remains unsolved. There's still a $5,000 reward for information in Jody's case. If you have any information, call the Brown County Sheriff's Department at 7 8-5-7427125 or Kansas Bureau of Investigation at 1-800ks crime.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

I mean, look, if they, if they were drunk out there shooting, they don't get a pass because of that. I don't think that's a reason to give them a pass because they might have been drunk. Not saying that's why someone's giving them a pass.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, I don't, I don't think being drunk is a mitigating factor, in my opinion. Right. If you went there to do it, drunk or sober, you did it. Somebody died. Two people died. You need to be a held accountable. But I get the feeling, Gibbs, you know, as we wrap up this case about Jodi Bordeaux, that there are a number of people who know something about what happened here. They know who was involved. There seems to be quite a few allegations of a cover up or, you know, individuals helping to shield these people maybe who committed this crime. That makes me think that, you know, at some point somebody could come forward. If there is a large number, and I don't know what number is, but if there's a lot of people who know about this, I think the better the chances that someone could come forward. The problem is it's been so many years now.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

And nobody has yet.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Yeah. I can't believe it's been three decades and no one's came forward. Do you think the person that did this might have had somebody, family member, kind of high in the tribal council?

[Mike Ferguson]

It's possible. Right. There's a lot of different things that are possible. One of the thoughts that I had was, you know, how many people know? But they're scared. Right. They're scared to come forward because they don't know what these people are capable of or people that are protecting them might be capable of. But if some of those people maybe are no longer around as time goes forward, maybe some of these people die off. Maybe the likelihood is better that they come forward. But then you run into that situation where you really can't punish the people involved if they've passed.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Right.

[Mike Ferguson]

So I don't know. I mean, I think this is one to keep an eye on because unlike a lot of cases, I think there's quite a few people that might have an idea of who's responsible for this, but for whatever reason, they've just chose so far not to come forward.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

But that's it for our episode on Jody Bordeaux. We got a voicemail. You want to check that out?

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Let's hear it.

[Listener/Caller]

Hi, Mike and Jimmy. This is Gary and I'm calling from New York. It's been a while since I called, so I just wanted to give you an update on my podcast journey. I finally just hit episode 393. I'm in December, so I'm catching up. A few more years to go. I wanted to give you guys, like, a life update. I've mentioned in my other voicemail they have a cleaning and organizing business. I'm in the process of getting a dog walking and dog sitting business together, so that will launch next month. My son just graduated preschool in June and he's off to kindergarten this September. So it's been like an emotional summer so far. You know, lately, honestly, my anxiety has just been through the roof, so I've been dealing with that. But other than that, you know, I'm just grateful to have your podcast. I don't have friends and, you know, I'm so busy with the kids, I just don't have, like, another outlet besides, you know, listening to frozen 5,000 times and hakuna Matata. So I. I'm just so thankful you guys are with me when I'm coming. Meaning especially when I clean my own house. You're on all day long. Again, I'm just. I'm just truly grateful for you guys. I honestly don't know what I would do without you guys in my ear all the time. It's like I'm a part of the conversation and I appreciate all the laughs. And you guys probably won't remember it because now it's two years ago, but your last episode where you were talking about the plural of cactus. It is cacti. I actually am a really avid cactus and succulent guru. I own a lot of cacti. But again, I'm just thankful for you guys, and I hope you stay safe and keep your own time ticking. Bye.

[Mike Ferguson]

Well, thank you so much. And we're thankful for you. And what I would say is that Gibby and I are always here.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Yes.

[Mike Ferguson]

For you and our cacti and Gibby's cacti. It is funny, though, when people say, I don't know if you remember, you were talking about this two years ago. Yeah, no, I. I got to be honest. I do not remember.

[Listener/Caller]

It's.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

It's hard.

[Mike Ferguson]

That's been a lot of episodes ago.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

But we really do appreciate the nice words and. Sounds like you got a lot going on there.

[Mike Gibson (Gibby)]

Yeah. Busy, busy, busy. Entrepreneurship stuff.

[Mike Ferguson]

All right, buddy, that is it for another episode of True Crime. All the time unsolved. So for Mike and Gibby, stay safe. And keep your own time ticking.

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