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Why have I asked my electrician I found on Angie.com to bury my pet hamster? I was so moved by how carefully he buried my electrical wires, I knew I could trust him to bury my sweet nibbles after his untimely end. This is very strange, Angie. The one you trust to find the ones you trust. Find pros for all your home projects@angie.com. Hello, everyone, and welcome to episode 460 of the True Crime all the Time Unsolved podcast. I'm Mike Ferguson and with me, as always, is my partner in true crime, Mike Gibson. Gibby, how are you?
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I'm doing okay. How about you?
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I am doing excellent, I think. I've said it on tcad, I've said it on Patreon. I'm having a really good week.
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You are just a freaking bowl of Cheerios. Yeah, yeah.
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You know they now have Cheerios with protein in them.
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Do they never had protein in them before?
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I don't think so.
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I wonder what that tastes like.
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Protein, probably.
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Is that why you put milk in them? To get some. Does milk have protein?
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Yeah, it does. I mean, this is actually extra protein, I guess.
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Yeah.
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Let's go ahead and give our Patreon shout outs. We had Sandra.
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Yeah. Hey, Sandra.
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Casey.
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What's going on, Casey?
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Louise Brooking.
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Hey, Louise.
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Jay Wuch.
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What's going on, Jay?
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Molly Burr.
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Hey, Molly.
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Kim Sampson.
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Well, thank you, Kim.
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Jennifer Kale.
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Oh, Jennifer.
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Nicole Sands.
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There's Nicole.
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And last but not least, Jim.
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Good old Jim.
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And then if we go back into the vault this week, we selected Emily Van Heron.
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Well, thanks, Emily.
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Yeah, we appreciate the new support, the continued support. We have an episode out right now on True Crime all the Time, where we're talking about Patricia Rohrer. She was convicted of kidnapping and murdering her ex boyfriend's wife and infant son in December 1994. The prosecution was largely circumstantial and the case kind of hinged on hair evidence. Yeah, from the crime scene. But it was 1994 technology, and Patricia has spent almost 30 years appealing her conviction.
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I could see both sides of that coin.
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Yeah. There are people who believe she's definitely guilty. There's also people who believe she's innocent. All right, buddy, are you ready to get into this episode of True Crime? All the Time unsolved?
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I am.
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We are talking about the disappearance of Trevaleen Evans, antique shop owner. Trevaleen Evans disappeared from Langowlen, Denbighshire, North Wales, on June 16, 1990. She left a note on the door telling her customers that she'd be back in just a few minutes. But she never returned. Over 30 years later, she still has not been found Traveling. Evans was a 52 year old grandmother from Llangollen, Denbighshire, North Wales. Llangollen is a small community, so situated on the river D. The 2021 census recorded the population at around 3,600 people.
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So not a big town.
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Not at all. Trevline owned a shop in town called Attic Antiques. Her husband Richard, was a maintenance engineer. The couple had one son, Police Sgt. Richard Evans, who was an adult when his mother went missing. During the week of her disappearance, Traveling and Richard were away from home. They spent time at their vacation bungalow near the coast in a town called Rudland, which is also in County Denbigh. You ever been to Wales, Gibbs?
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I have not.
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Me neither.
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I mean, I wouldn't mind going.
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I'd love to go. I would love to take a trip across the pond.
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Yeah.
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And check out some different countries. It is a long flight for me.
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It would be a long flight.
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I do not like to be cooped up. I mean, you've taken longer flights. You flew to Greece.
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I did, yeah. I think you'd be okay, you know, you just, you know, maybe take a tranquilizer.
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You think I need a tranquilizer to make it? I might.
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But I think you would love it over there. One. Because while you're over there, I know you're gonna go to Scotland.
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Oh, absolutely.
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And see your family members over there. Yeah. And then Ireland and England and. Because if it's not Scottish, it's crop, according to you. Yep. But I think you'd have a. You'd have a very good time.
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I think you're right. And I like fish and chips a lot.
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Yeah, you do. You like anything seafood, by the way.
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I do. Trevoline and her husband Richard planned to make the bungalow their retirement home. Richard was doing renovations and they hoped to move in so soon. All right. Sounds like a pretty cool retirement home. A bungalow near the ocean.
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That's perfect. Man. I would love to have a bungalow by the ocean.
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Trevoline returned to Langallen on Wednesday, June 13, 1990. On Saturday, June 16, she opened her shop at her usual time, 9:30am she parked her car, a dark blue Ford Escort, 200 yards away. That's quite a ways away if you think about it. It's two football fields.
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It is. You know, I'm assuming maybe the parking wasn't that great up by the shops and maybe you needed to park kind of far away. And walk yourself, you know, I mean
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obviously she didn't have her own parking spot at her business and maybe nobody else could park there too.
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Yeah.
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Or maybe she parked away so there'd be more parking at the business. I don't know. That morning, approximately 25 friends and customers visited the shop. Witnesses said that Treveline appeared relaxed and happy. She drank coffee with a friend who visited and arranged a girls night out the following week. And I always think that's important, you know, in these unsolved cases that we do, you know, what is the person's mindset.
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Yeah.
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Who we know is, you know, ultimately going to disappear. Does disappear, you know, what do they have going on? Because I think it's important to take a look at. Friend said, you know, she was in a great mood. We just talked about the fact that she and her husband went to their bungalow. Seemed like they were excited to make this move. I'm not getting any vibes that there's anything going on wrong in her life.
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No, I mean she's happy, she's working that day and she's making plans to go out with her lady friends the following week.
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Now there are often things behind the scenes. Right. That not everybody knows can be and that that's certainly possible here as well. It was a sunny day and the town center was Busy. At around 12:40pm Trevoline left a note on the front door of her shop saying that she would be back in two minutes. And that's very specific. It really is two minutes and you can't do a lot in two minutes. Two minutes goes by very quickly.
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Yeah. She can't like run to her car 200 yards away in two minutes.
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Not.
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I don't, maybe she's, maybe Usain Bolt could, but I'm not sure that this 52 year old woman could have traversed it that quickly. Yeah.
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So maybe she had to again, I don't know. The bathroom situation in this.
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Yeah, maybe she. There wasn't a bathroom there. You're right. Maybe she had to go to the restroom. We don't know. But it was said that she kept several notes pre written. It said things like back in half an hour, back in two hours and you know, maybe half hour is going to get lunch, maybe two hours is taking a siesta. I don't know. That afternoon Trevaleen's brother Lynn Davies visited the shop and found the note on the door. He returned about 25 minutes later and saw that she'd still not returned. Richard was in Rutland that day, but he returned to langallen. Around 5pm he went to Trevaline's shop and saw that she wasn't there. The shop was locked, but the lights were still on. Trevaline's brother Lynn was worried and came back to the shop a few times. Finally, at 11pm he entered through a rear door that was closed but not locked. And then Treveline was reported missing around midnight.
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Yeah, I'm sure by then the concern was pretty high. And because she hasn't returned, I mean, that just seems the logical next step. Let's report her missing.
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Yeah, and let's not forget the note said back in two minutes.
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Right.
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So you know, her brother came and she wasn't there. And but he comes back 25 minutes later, she's still not there. Okay. I'm. I'm not sure that that's a freak out moment yet. But you know, when her husband comes back at five o', clock, he goes there, she's not there. And then especially I think when her brother comes back much later. Right. 11:00pm okay, now something's wrong. I think that is a sound, the alarm bells moment.
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Right.
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Her purse, car keys, the other spare key to the shop, her jacket and some fruit and flowers she purchased and intended to take home were left behind in the shop. Her car remained in its usual parking spot. Investigators determined that Treveline bought an apple and a banana after she left the shop and was seen crossing nearby Castle Street. Her shop was on Church Street. A banana peel was found in a trash can in the shop, leading investigators to believe that she did return that afternoon, but this has never been confirmed. Now maybe she ate a lot of bananas. Maybe she brought one with her that morning, ate it. That's the one in the trash can. Or maybe she really did come back, but she never got the chance to take off the sign.
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Very possible.
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Although police said she may have been experiencing a midlife crisis and worried about moving, they also described her as happy and vivacious and said there were no indications she wanted to harm herself.
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Yeah, I think even if you're having a midlife crisis, that would be extreme resolution to that.
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Either harming yourself or just pulling up stakes and voluntarily leaving and never speaking to your family again. Yeah, I agree. You know, they say guys buy a sports car or motorcycle or something like that.
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Right.
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I'm not sure what women do because not a woman. Just to make that clear.
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I'm glad you pointed that out for us.
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I also not sure that I've gone through my midlife. Christ, I don't know if Everybody has one or just certain people. I have a lot of mini crisises.
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Yes.
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More like fixations than crisises. I get fixated on things for periods of time and I'm really into those things. And then I get bored of that and go on to something else.
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And your wife tolerates it.
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Yeah. Now we're talking about hobbies here, not other women, as I. I realize that could have come off, you know, very badly.
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Yeah. No, you're very good to your wife.
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Yes, I am.
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And very good to you.
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And very faithful.
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Yes.
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Because she's going to hear this at some point.
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Yes, you both are good to each other.
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They also said that there were no signs that she wanted to leave her family and she hadn't accessed any of the money in her bank account. And again, to me, that's always something to analyze. Now, it doesn't 100% mean that somebody couldn't just up and leave, but the prevailing thought is, okay, you think you would want some of that money. Now, there's a counter argument to be made that if you're trying to leave without anybody knowing that you've left, well, then maybe you've saved up money ahead of time. And taking money out of your bank account before you leave would kind of be a dead giveaway.
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Yeah, I mean, you can make that case. I just find it really difficult when someone goes missing. But their purse and their, you know, car and their bank account, you know, none of that's been touched. It just makes it hard to figure out, okay, so what happened then? Like, maybe they did. Maybe they saved some money up, maybe they took a bus, maybe they ran away with somebody.
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Yeah.
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I think the other thing is it's kind of hard to imagine that when you don't have, like, the situations in a person's life that would kind of make you believe that that is even a possibility.
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Right.
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Not a friend knows, a family member. Nobody kind of knows that something's going on that might make her want to leave. Police believe that whatever happened to Trevaleen was not planned. In the days after her disappearance, her son Richard spoke to the press saying, literally, we're at a complete loss and have not got a clue about what has happened. That is why it's so worrying. There is no indication she was going anywhere. It's completely out of the blue. And that for us is the worrying thing. We've gone through nearly every logical threat. Richard was asked if there was anything worrying his mother. He answered honestly, don't know. I think there were just a few things just Going through her head. But she's such a logical sort of woman. I don't think she would do anything spontaneous like this. It doesn't follow a pattern. It seems very, very odd. We're just appealing for anyone who saw her on the Saturday or was with her on Sunday morning or since.
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I mean, I think we all have things running through our heads at different times. Right.
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Yeah, that's kind of how your brain works.
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Yeah.
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Things kind of run through there and then they get transmitted to your mouth and then words come out.
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That does happen. But sometimes you, you know, some individuals can think about things and I think we overthink and then we, you know, dwell on things and worry about things and, you know.
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Yeah, I absolutely think you're 100. Right. I mean, I do think, you know, there are stressors.
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Yeah.
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That everybody experiences in life. And sometimes, you know, does everyone think, oh my gosh, I just, I need to get away every. You know, things are closing in on me.
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Right.
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There's too much going on. Yeah. I'm sure everybody has that from time to time. But I think, you know, her son's answers and observations are pretty telling. Right. She's not a spontaneous person. She doesn't seem like the sort that is just going to up and leave. And to me, all signs are pointing to the fact that she didn't. Hey, folks, I've been doing a little spring reset with my closet lately, focusing more on quality over quantity. Just building a wardrobe of pieces that are well made, versatile, and easy to reach for every day. And that's why I keep coming back to Quint. Quince makes beautiful everyday pieces using premium materials like 100% European linen, organic cotton, and super soft denim with style starting around $50. And that same focus on materials carries over into their accessories like their leather bags, which are made from 100% handwoven Italian leather and honestly look way more expensive than they are. Quint works directly with ethical factories and cuts out the middlemen. So you're paying for quality, not brand markup. I recently bought a travel toiletry case from Quinn's. It's amazing. And the price just blew me away. And of course, my go to continues to be their flow knit activewear. So refresh your spring wardrobe with Quince. Go to quince.com truecrime for free shipping and 365 day returns. Now available in Canada too. Go to Quincom Truecrime for free shipping and 365 Day Returns. Quince.com truecrime you know, starting a business can be tough. It can be intimidating. We started the podcast. There was so much that went into it and most of it we didn't know. We had to figure it out as we went, but we took that leap and now we know that we were right and believing in ourselves and launching the podcast despite all the fears, the hesitations. Well, it also helps when you have a partner like Shopify on your side to help. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e commerce in the US from household names like Mattel to True Crime all the time to brands just getting started, Shopify has hundreds of ready to use templates to help you build a beautiful online store that matches your brand's style. They also help you easily create email and social media campaigns wherever your customers are scrolling or and if you get stuck, Shopify's always around to share advice with their award winning 24. 7 customer support. It's time to turn those what ifs into with Shopify today. Sign up for your $1 per month trial today at shopify.com unsolved go to shopify.com unsolved that's shopify.com unsolved On July 20, a witness reported seeing Trevaline leaving her home on the afternoon she disappeared. It was believed she vanished from her shop shortly after she left the note, but a woman who knew her saw her leaving her home on Market street around 2:30pm and walking towards the town center. This was the last confirmed sighting of traveling, which indicated that perhaps she had gone home for a lunch break and was returning to work. And that would make a lot of sense except for the note that says I'll be back in two minutes. You would think if she was planning on going home for lunch, she would have put on the 30 minute or the two hour or, you know, something along those lines.
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So could it have been the fact that she just put the wrong sign on the door? Could have been paying attention.
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Yeah. Just grabbed the wrong one.
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Yeah.
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And instead of two minutes she thought she had the two hour one it could have been. It's possible there were two more suspected sightings, both of which are unconfirmed. At 2:35 a woman matching Trevaleen's description was seen walking out of town along the A5 highway towards Corwin beside the Riverside Park. Then at 3:45pm a woman was seen walking into Park Avenue from the direction of the river. D the Daily Post also reported that Richard Evans returned to Lang Allen earlier than first stated. It was reported that he returned about lunchtime, not 5pm so that's a difference. It's a big difference, especially given what we know about her timeline.
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Right.
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Detective Superintendent John Cook, leading the investigation, told the press, it seems that during the course of the afternoon, Mr. Evans and Mrs. Evans brother both attempted to make contact with Mrs. Evans at the shop and failed to do so. At this time, police were keeping an open mind to all possibilities including abduction, murder, suicide or that traveling left voluntarily.
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So basically everything.
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Yeah. And I think you have to.
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Right.
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Don't you have to keep all possibilities open unless like a piece of evidence closes one or more of them off.
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I agree.
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And I think sometimes, you know, some of these investigations, they kind of go off the rails when it's not worked that way. Right. They pick one avenue and they just focus in on that to the exclusion of everything else. I think bad things can happen sometimes when they do that.
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I concur.
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Superintendent Cook discounted any connection with the disappearance of Peggy Goodman from the Wrexham area in 1983 or the disappearance and death of Mifanwi Jones from Corwin in 1985.
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Well, you know, sometimes when you have these disappearances, it's. It's easy to try to connect them with a similar case.
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It is. I guess the problem I would have is, you know, we are talking quite a few years later.
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Right, right.
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This is 1990 and it's not the exact same area, but I get it. You're right in that people do try to connect them. Wrexham's interesting because that's. That the soccer team that Ryan Reynolds bought.
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Well, that's true.
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With that other guy.
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Yep.
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That other actor.
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I wonder if they all have mint mobile.
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Probably he gives it out for free. Probably. But as you can imagine. Right. Soon fears grew that Trevine may have been murdered. Police also said it was imperative that they found a man seen with her in the shop at 4pm Witnesses reported they saw her with a man several times on June 16th. He was first seen with her around 9:30 near her shop. A witness described the man as in his 50s, five six inches tall, medium build, with short, dark, well groomed hair and wearing a navy blazer.
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Holy Tom Cruise.
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Yeah, could be. A man with a similar description was seen with Trevoline in the Market street and Oak street part of town. Another woman thought she caught what she said was a fleeting glimpse of traveling in her shop with a man at 4pm but she couldn't give police a firm description. And you know, to me this is really kind of changing the narrative in my eyes. Right. First it Was okay, she leaves, you know, puts the. The sign on the door and then they don't know where she went.
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Yeah.
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Later on, somebody says they see her, you know, walking near her home. It looks like she went home from lunch. Now, someone saying they thought they saw her in the shop with a man around 4pm now, meanwhile, don't forget, her brother has been coming to the shop in intervals, right. Checking, checking on her.
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I mean, the problem I have with this fleeting glimpse, I feel like I'm in the movie My Cousin Vinnie, you know, like the lady that's looking out the window and is it time for
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a pair of thicker glasses?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I mean, obviously you want people to come forward and you want, you know, all of these different tips and sightings and all that, but it does kind of muddy the waters a little bit. Now, it could be a great piece of the puzzle. We don't know.
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Could be. I mean, the timeline seems to bounce around a little bit.
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Yeah. I mean, first of all, did she really see a man in the shop with her at 4pm? And is it the same man that was said to have been seen at 9:30?
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Right.
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This man who a witness gave a really good Description of. On June 27, Richard made an emotional plea for Trevaleen to come home. He added that as time went on, he had to face the possibility that something terrible happened. Now, this is something that I've always thought, right, if you're a family member, you've got this unbelievable hope, right, that your loved one is going to come home safe and sound. But I think as time goes on, there has to be something in most people's minds that although they may not want to address it, express it, they have to be thinking there is a possibility, Right, that something terrible could have happened.
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Yeah.
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Now, we're only 11 days on, though, but I get it. It could come on as quickly as that. 11 days is a long time to not hear from someone and especially if
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you think that she would never just leave.
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Yes. Which I do believe both of them thought that. In an interview with the Daily Post, Richard said all her family and friends are missing her. If she's reading this in the newspaper, we all want her to return. It was a tremendous shock when she disappeared. It was entirely out of character for her. I can think of no reason why she would go like this. Obviously, the family has not given up hope. There's no evidence one way or the other. The police have been very good and I have nothing but praise for them. I think they're still Waiting for that one vital clue. Richard explained that he last saw Trevline three days before she went missing. But he spoke to her on the phone on June 15. They made plans to go out the next evening. The Daily Post also reported that police had eliminated one man seen walking with Trevoline on June 15. But they were still searching for the smartly dressed man seen with her on the day she disappeared.
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Smartly dressed?
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That's the one that you called Tom Cruise.
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Oh, yeah.
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Even though he would not have been in his 50s in 1990. But I get the reference, he might
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have looked older, you know, makeup and stuff like that.
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Yeah, well, he could have been doing one of those Mission Impossibles with the true, the fake face or something, trying
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to look like Jim.
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During the investigation, police interviewed every household in Langallen and people who lived further outside town. Authorities searched the River Dee, the canal, mine shafts and caves in the area.
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That's pretty thorough. Right, because they said it was a town of almost what, 3,600? Yeah, that's a lot of door to door and interviews.
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It is, but obviously more doable in, in a, a town that, with that population that it would be if you had 50, 000 or a hundred thousand.
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Right.
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An artist's impression of the man in a blazer who was reportedly seen with Trevoline was circulated in the papers. In total, Investigators took over 330 statements, checked 1500 names and logged and eliminated 685 cars.
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Pretty thorough.
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Yeah, I mean, I think they're, they're doing their job.
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Right.
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But Treveline was not found and her case went cold. There were sightings of her in London, France, even a remote town in Australia. Interpol was involved with the investigation in France.
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I mean, so they're taking all the leads seriously, they're looking into them. I mean, remember, her son is also a police officer.
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Yeah, yeah. I would say when Interpol gets involved, the seriousness does go up. I mean, that's a big time agency. In 1992, the woods in the World's End area of Denbighshire was searched after police received a tip from a self proclaimed medium. World's End is a narrow veil between Wrexham and Langallen that is popular with hikers and cyclists.
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How do you become self proclaimed?
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You just say it. You just say it. That's what self proclaimed means. You literally just say you're a medium.
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So that kind of like I am a member of Mensa.
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That is a self proclaimed Gibby ism.
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Yeah.
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In 1993, police searched a canal near Langallen after a woman wrote to police stating that she was, quote, overwhelmed by a feeling that Treveline was nearby. And it's interesting, right? I mean, you do have psychics, mediums, people who come out in a lot of these unsolved cases and try to lend their, I'll say, expertise for the lack of a better word.
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Yeah.
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We also talked about a psychic in our True Crime all the Time case this week. I think. If you're the police, what do you do with that information? Because, okay, you may not believe in some of these things, or you may not believe people have these type of gifts, but can you just write it off completely? What happens if this person's telling the truth? Or what happens. What happens if they really have good information?
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I think you have to look at every lead that comes in and weigh it and make that decision. I mean. I mean, there have been cases in the past where mediums or psychics have helped solve. Now, is that just pure luck?
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Right? It's. It's. You're right. It's not that they have never helped, because they have. Trevoline was officially declared dead in 1997. Detective Superintendent Colin Edwards told the Wrexham Leader at the time her bank account has never been touched. And they are such a close family. I'm sure she would have been in touch by now. And again, that's. That's kind of the. The sentiment or the. The feeling I have in most of these cases.
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Yeah.
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You know, if they leave everything behind, they don't take any money, there's no glaring reason that someone can think of for why they would want to leave. It's hard for me to think that, you know, someone just up and voluntarily vanished. But we do have cases now and then where people are found 30, 40 years later and they say, yeah, I just left.
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I just left.
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So it does happen, but I don't think it's the norm. On January 15, 1999, Trevoline's son, Richard Evans, suddenly died of a heart attack at home. He was only 37 years old, with a wife and two young children. He was young. You just wonder how much his mother's disappearance weighed on him, affected his health. Could that have had something to do with, you know, dying from a heart attack at such a young age? It's hard to think that it didn't have something to do with it.
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I would think it would. It had some impact.
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In January 2001, Trevoline's case was reopened in the hope that new technology could find fresh evidence. The 2001 investigation focused on her movements between her return to Langallen on June 13 and her disappearance on June 16. Police have fragmented information of this period. One report suggested that she was at a wine bar early on the evening of June 15th. But this report came from two Scottish tourists and no locals could recall seeing her there. DCI Alan Jones, leading the new inquiry, told the BBC, we see this as a potential crime, but we still don't have a body. Our task is to look at the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Mrs. Evans and to extend the line of inquiries. We're looking at the information collated during the original investigation and how developments in police methods and new scientific techniques can assist us in gaining further information on the disappearance of Mrs. Evans. And, you know, for the longest time, I did not know what DCI meant until I watched that series with Idris Elba.
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Oh, yeah, Luther. Luther.
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That was a good series. I liked it.
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And you said, what's a dci?
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Well, they kept saying it. Detective Chief Inspector, I think is what it is. Police also ruled out the artist's sketch as no longer accurate. And I don't know how they came to that conclusion so many years later.
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Was it like, oh, you know what, I made that all up. You might want to just pitch that. I mean, how do you.
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I can't imagine that's how it all panned out.
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Yeah, I can't think it would either. I just don't know. Why would you all sudden say it's no longer accurate if you don't know who the person was?
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Fascinating.
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It is. And you know, we've done cases in the UK and people are arrested and brought in and questioned. It happens in a kind of a different way than it does here in the States.
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Right.
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Being arrested means a little bit different over there.
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You're right.
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It's very rare that you get arrested here and then you're just let go. Normally, for them to get to the point where you're arrested, you're being charged with something.
B
That's right. You're going to get booked in.
A
Detective Chief Inspector Alan Jones, who led the new investigation, told reporters in early July 2001 that they were concentrating on Trevoline's last known movements, saying she went missing at lunchtime in a very busy town and it seems unlikely she was taken at force. I cannot totally rule out suicide, but I'm prepared to eliminate the possibility that she's still alive. I'm looking for a body and I'm convinced it will be found in the Langallen area. And it's a very interesting statement. He is prepared to eliminate the possibility that she's still alive.
B
He's either saying she was murdered or she died by suicide.
A
But here's my problem with the suicide angle. It seems very likely that they would have found her body if she had taken her own life. I'm not saying you couldn't hide your body and end your life at the same Time, but it seems like it would be hard to do.
B
Yeah. Kind of unlikely.
A
He's also saying it seems unlikely she was taken by force. So I don't know. I don't know what to make of all that. Detectives closed the investigation on July 15, 2001. DCI Jones told the leader. Despite looking at this investigation in great depth and with thoroughness, Mrs. Evans remains missing. As with all missing persons, the file will remain open and we would appeal for anyone who may have information that could proved vital in solving this case to get in touch with North Wales Police. In June 2010, Trevaline's brother, Lynn Davies, appealed for the police to reinvestigate the case. He hoped that new policing techniques might solve her disappearance. The North Wales Police noted the case had never been closed. And I get it right, it had been almost a decade and her brother saying, hey, can you take another look at this? And I think family members, that would be a very normal thing for them to do. They don't want this case to be forgot.
B
Yeah. Don't let it get stale.
A
The other thing that jumped out at me is you're probably not looking at Lynn Davies as any type of person of interest. No. Because most people who had anything to do with it wouldn't be hounding the police to reopen the investigation. I'm not saying they ever looked at him like that in the first place,
B
but he just wants to know what happened to his sister.
A
Yeah. Richard Evans declined to comment on the 20th anniversary of Treveline's disappearance. Lynn Davies told the BBC, I understand at the time the police had done all they could, but I still think they should get involved again. He also talked about the effect his sister's disappearance had on him. He said, I can't say you ever come to terms with it. You accept it. People you speak to have different ideas about what happened with her. Some say she might have just gone off, but I don't believe that at all. I have no idea what happened. But my opinion is that she has been abducted. And if I'm just balancing, you know, the scale for me, abduction versus just going off and leaving your family. Yeah. I. I tend to lean towards abduction, murder, something bad.
B
Right.
A
Versus voluntarily leaving. I just do, because I think more often than not, that's the case.
B
Yeah. I just don't feel like she left her family behind on her own.
A
Yeah.
B
You know, especially knowing that her son died years later. She still. If she left on her own, I mean, how could you do that to your grandkids?
A
You know, they Just who she would have never met.
B
Yeah. Because she wasn't.
A
But could meet.
B
Yeah.
A
Could come back and, you know. Yeah. So I, I think that one's tough. I also thought that it was a little strange that her husband didn't even want to make a comment on the 20th anniversary of, of her disappearance. Now, it didn't say what outlet was asking him for a comment, so that, that could have played a part. But like I said, normally the family wants to keep their loved one's case kind of in the, the public eye
B
and maybe after 20 years he's just tired of answering the same questions maybe, you know, and he's in his 70s that he's like, hey, I don't really want to talk about it anymore.
A
Yeah, yeah, that, that could definitely be the case. North Wales Police Superintendent Steve Gould said investigations such as these are never closed unless we establish what exactly has occurred and obtain sufficient evidence against individuals to mount a prosecution. We would ask anyone with information which may assist the investigation to contact North Wales Police. In September 2011, police confirmed they were investigating potential links between Trevoline's disappearance and serial killer Robin Lygus, who was convicted of killing three men, including one elderly victim. Back in 1996, he was sentenced for the 1994 murder of 75 year old Robert Young, who was killed in a home burglary in Shrewsbury. In September 2010, Lygus was charged with three more murders. Following cold case reviews, a file of evidence was submitted to prosecutors. In December 2009, Ligas was due for consideration of release. In 2011, he was accused of killing 53 year old antiques dealer Trevor Bradley, who was found dead in a burnout car near Melverly, Shropshire. In April 1994 he was also charged with the murder of 57 year old Brian Coles who was found in October 1994 at his home in Higher Heath near Whitchurch, Shropshire. Finally, Lygus was charged with the murder of 36 year old Bernard Szewska who was found in the River Severn at Shrewsbury in November 1994. The North Wales Police said they were looking at Lygus for new information in regards to Trevaline's death. One detective said, we'll consider this man and review the information we have. In July 2011, he was convicted of the murders of Trevor Bradley and Brian Coles, but was acquitted of the murder of Bernard Suzuka. In September 2011, he was ordered to be detained indefinitely in a secure hospital due to the effects of a stroke. In January 2012, police officially ruled out a Link between Lygus and Trevoline. Lygus died on December 16, 2022.
B
But they, they chased down everything they could about this guy.
A
They did. I am, I was kind of blown away, to be honest with you, that he was due for consideration of release in 2011 after being sentenced to murder in 1996.
B
Yeah, seems a little strange.
A
It's light. I think you'd, you'd have to admit that that's what, 15 years?
B
Yeah. The guy looks scary, man.
A
Yeah, we looked at pictures of him. He's, he's a scary looking dude. Luckily they were able to time to a bunch more murders, so he wasn't released. Trevoline's husband, Richard Evans, died at Wrexham mailer Hospital on December 27, 2014. He was 83 years old. Her brother Lynn Davies noted that he passed away without knowing what happened to his wife. And that is true, assuming he didn't have anything to do with it. And we said it right, police arrested him, they, they pulled him in for questioning, but nothing happened after that.
B
Right.
A
So they must have not had any evidence that pointed to him having something to do with it. But there was a reason why they arrested him and, and brought him in for questioning. On March 14, 2019, brothers Andrew and Lee Sutton, having been tipped off that there were human remains hidden at the Rutland Golf Club clubhouse, rented a special camera that showed skeletal remains, including a hand and skull. They contacted police who conducted a search five days later and found nothing. The brothers said their evidence was confirmed by a forensic expert. And they still have the pictures. Andrew told the local press, we have no axe to grind in this at all, but we know what we saw and what we saw had been removed by the time the police went to the golf club.
B
Man, that's disappointing. But also it makes you wonder if there's some like type of conspiracy or,
A
or did whoever, if there really was remains, did whoever put them there know that these brothers had stumbled on to him and got rid of them?
B
Yeah.
A
Before police actually got out there. I don't, I don't know. And we don't even know if there were remains, who they, who they were.
B
Right.
A
There's no guarantee they were Treveline.
B
Could have been anybody's, but they're saying they have photographic proof that there was something there.
A
In August 2021 North Wales Live reported that police were reviewing a connection between Christopher Hallowell, who was convicted of murdering two women, and Trevline's disappearance. Hallowell was convicted of killing 20 year old Becky Godden, who went missing in 2003 and the abduction and murder of 22 year old Sharon O' Callaghan in 2011. Freelance journalist Tim Hicks and retired officer Chris Clark believe Hallowell should be a suspect in Trevoline's disappearance. They linked Hallowell to three other unsolved murders between 1988 and 1994. They also found a witness who claimed Hallowell was working in North Wales at the time of Treveline's disappearance. In 2021 and 2022, cryptic messages about Treveline appeared on plaques placed on benches. In the spring of 2022, a plaque was attached to a wooden bench near an abandoned 200-year-old cottage in Prestatin, located county Denbigh. The site is a popular resting spot for walkers on the Offa Dikes footpath. The style is identical to a plaque that was fixed to a bench on another walkway in 2021, which was later removed by the Demonshire County Council. The first message was found about 30 miles from Lang Allen. Both messages said, Traveling's remains were removed from Rudland Golf Club.
B
Okay.
A
According to Wales Online, the inscription on the most recent plaque said, justice awaits those responsible for the removal and disposal of Trevline Evans in this life or next. From Rutland golf club on Mar 19, 2019 at noon. May the Lord have mercy upon their soul. The 2021 message said, in memory of traveling Evans vanished. 16, 6, 1990. Found Rudland GC 14, 3, 2019 removed. 19, 3, 2019. RIP now, obviously, you would think that Andrew and Lee Sutton might have had something to do with it, but they have denied having anything to do with the plaques and said they didn't know who was responsible or why the plaques were put in such unexpected locations. So it's like another mystery.
B
It is. It really is.
A
They noted that since the plaques were found, someone had smashed a window in Andrew's house and Lee received threatening phone calls. As of 2026, there have been no updates in regards to the mysterious plaques or the alleged remains at the Rudland Golf Club. So, as we wrap this one up, Gibbs, I mean, the disappearance of Trevline Evans remains a mystery, right? There are many unanswered questions. Investigators still haven't identified the man who was allegedly seen with her on the afternoon of her disappearance. You know, it's clear that something terrible happened to her at some point on the afternoon of June 16, 1990, but authorities have yet to determine what it was or who was responsible.
B
Yeah, I mean, they've got another potential serial Killer they leaned on. But then you have this golf course, that golf club that potentially had some type of bones that were seen in special photographs but then were not there when the police came back. It just makes you wonder, did someone come and remove them? Was it the person that put them
A
there and were they traveling's remains or somebody else? And then. Then you would have another mystery on top of what we've talked about. You know, I. I do want to go back to her husband, Richard, because we talked about it, but we didn't go in depth. Right. He said that he got back into town around five, but the police later came out and said no, he really got back around lunchtime.
B
Yeah.
A
And you just have to wonder why there was a discrepancy there.
B
I mean, could he have had something to do with it?
A
Yeah, I think it's possible. And then you kind of couple that with the fact that they, years later, arrest and question him. Seems odd to me.
B
At the time of her disappearance, her son was a police officer. So maybe they didn't look really hard at her husband because of that.
A
Yeah, it's a possibility. Right. I mean, all we can work with are questions and theories and possibilities because there's very little in the way of concrete information. Even the witnesses. I mean, yeah, people came forward to say I saw her at this time, but, you know, can they really be confirmed? Probably not.
B
I really feel like the brothers onto something with what they found at the golf club. Club. I just wish we would know more about that and I don't know if we ever will.
A
Yeah, I. I don't know how they'll solve this mystery, if they ever do. You know, people have died who were involved. Right. Many years have passed.
B
Oh yeah.
A
Since she disappeared. But hopefully this is one that can be solved because it is a tremendous mystery. Or there's a couple of mysteries here that are all kind of wrapped up. But that's it for our episode on Trevaleen Evans. We got a voicemail. You want to check that out?
B
Let's hear it.
C
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A
All right. Awesome. Thank you for the voicemail. I mean, how long is this Shakespeare festival all year round?
B
Thus that I thus not know proclaim thus me.
A
Does mother know that you wear her drapes thus?
B
I'm not sure.
A
Oh, man, I still can't get over just people walking around in swords. I gotta go up and see this. We should take a road trip just to check out all this sword wearing, you know, to be or not to
B
be or not to be.
A
I mean, that is the question, you
B
know, Gotta weld a sword. Is it? Well, to sword.
A
What's the wheeled wield, did you say? Well, well, well. You got weld first the bas and then you. You do have to weld. No, I don't think they weld swords. Oh, my goodness. All right on that, we're getting out of here.
B
Yeah.
A
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True Crime All The Time Unsolved
Episode: Trevaline Evans
Release Date: April 13, 2026
Hosts: Mike Ferguson & Mike Gibson (Gibby)
This episode focuses on the 1990 unsolved disappearance of Trevaline Evans, a well-liked antique shop owner from Llangollen, North Wales. Despite an apparently happy and stable life, Evans vanished after leaving a note on her shop door that she’d be “back in 2 minutes.” The hosts explore her background, the circumstances of the disappearance, investigative twists (including possible sightings, suspects, familial impact, and later developments), and the enduring mystery around her fate.
June 16, 1990 ([02:47]):
Personal Belongings Left Behind:
Voluntary Disappearance Considered:
Quote: Richard Evans (son), [14:28]:
Timeline Complications & Sightings:
Person of Interest:
Police Actions:
Psychics & Media Appeals:
Case reopened in 2001; DCI Alan Jones admits suspicion of crime, seeks new forensic clues ([32:18]).
Cold Case Links:
The Rutland Golf Club Mystery:
Mike (on the “back in 2 minutes” sign):
“That’s very specific. You can’t do a lot in two minutes. Two minutes goes by very quickly.” ([07:35])
Gibby (on voluntary disappearance):
“I just find it really difficult when someone goes missing, but their purse and their, you know, car and their bank account… none of that’s been touched.” ([13:06])
Richard Evans (son):
“She’s such a logical sort of woman. I don’t think she would do anything spontaneous like this. It doesn’t follow a pattern.” ([14:32])
Lynn Davies (brother, 2010):
“You accept it. People you speak to have different ideas about what happened… But my opinion is that she has been abducted.” ([39:59])
Mike (about suspicious evidence disappearing):
“Or did whoever… if there really was remains, did whoever put them there know that these brothers had stumbled on to them and got rid of them, before police actually got out there?” ([46:49])
On the cryptic plaques:
“Justice awaits those responsible for the removal and disposal of Trevline Evans in this life or next… May the Lord have mercy upon their soul.” ([49:01])
The disappearance of Trevaline Evans is described by the hosts as “a tremendous mystery” that continues to baffle family, detectives, and the small community of Llangollen. Despite thorough investigation, possible suspects, and even strange postscript events like the golf club remains and mysterious plaques, there is no closure. Neither suicide nor voluntary flight seems plausible; abduction or foul play remains the most likely theory, though with little concrete evidence or resolution.
Hosts’ Tone:
Casual but respectful, with typical asides and humor, but seriousness when addressing the victim and family’s suffering.
For more information or to provide tips, listeners are encouraged to contact North Wales Police. The hosts express hope that advances in forensic science or future witnesses may still bring answers to this enduring Welsh mystery.