Matima Miller

Summary

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True Crime All The Time – Episode 514: Matima Miller

Release Date: July 13, 2026
Hosts: Mike Ferguson & Mike Gibson ("Gibby")

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Episode Overview

This episode delves into the tragic murders of Matima Miller, a beloved TikTok dance creator known as Swavy, and his friend Quentin Dorsey in Wilmington, Delaware. Hosts Mike Ferguson and Mike Gibson trace their stories from difficult childhoods to social media stardom and entrepreneurship—only to have their promising lives cut short in a series of brutal, gang-related shootings. The hosts explore the case’s background, the ripple effect on their community, and the investigation into Israel LeCompte, the Northpac gang member who committed the crimes. The episode strikes a balance between poignant reflection and the hosts’ characteristic humor, emphasizing both the promise and the heartbreak at the story’s core.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Matima Miller’s Early Life and Rise (04:35–12:14)

• Family Life & Struggles:
  • Born December 26, 2001, in Wilmington, Delaware, Matima endured the absence of his biological father and suffered another loss when his stepfather, Shannon, was killed in a shooting (08:07).

    “You have siblings who have a different father … Your father is not. There’s going to be some feelings of inadequacy there.” — Mike Ferguson (08:21)

• Talents & Early Passions:
  • From a young age, dancing was a natural outlet. Despite family pain, he found a place with the church's "Holy Soldiers" step team.
  • Hosts share personal banter about dancing, underlining Matima’s talent and personality (06:13).

2. Success on Social Media and Aspirations (11:43–15:58)

• Tumultuous Local Environment:
  • Wilmington had a reputation for gang violence. Moni, Matima’s mother, tried to shield her children through education and church.
• TikTok Stardom:
  • Started his TikTok account in early 2020; his charisma and dance skills quickly drew an audience: 2.3M on TikTok, 300k on Instagram.
  • Videos combined clever sketches, global dance trends, and family cameos—in crocs, his signature look.
  • Monetized account with the help of brother Rakim, earning around $80,000 within months, hoping to move his family to Atlanta (15:38).

    “After nine months on TikTok, he had over a million followers.” — Mike Ferguson (15:53)

• Staying Grounded:
  • Despite fame, remained a typical teenager, intent on protecting himself and avoiding local gangs. His environment, however, became increasingly threatening.

3. Gang Violence and Close Brushes (15:58–19:16)

• Targeted by Proximity:
  • Matima’s friends had gang associations, leading to close calls with violence. He once survived a drive-by shooting with friends, further heightening his caution (16:35).
  • His mother discovered a gun in the house; she instructed him to dispose of it, hoping to keep danger at bay.

4. Quentin Dorsey: Parallel Promise and Fate (19:16–22:57)

• Business & Bond:
  • Local entrepreneur (Bag Season clothing) who overcame similar hardships—loss of both parents to violence and health issues.
  • Became friends with Matima through brand collaborations and mutual drive, both becoming role models in their circles.
• Brutal End:
  • On July 2, 2021, Quentin was fatally shot in front of his family home by a man later identified as Israel LeCompte (24:09).

    “Quentin drew a gun to the left side of his head and pulled the trigger…he was dead by the time he hit the ground.” — Mike Ferguson (22:54) “[Shooter] replied, ‘fuck your grandma’ and then shot him. I mean, that is cold blooded.” — Mike Ferguson (24:38)

5. Matima’s Murder & Community Shock (24:40–29:09)

• Three Days After Quentin:
  • July 5, 2021: Matima is shot three times outside his home by a man in a red hoodie, in front of his best friend, Quan, who ran inside for help. Matima died at the hospital (25:12).
  • Theories abound that jealousy over their success and an intent to gain gang “clout” motivated the killings.
• Gang Code & Witness Fear:
  • Quan, the sole witness, initially declined to speak to police due to fear of retaliation—a reflection of the pervasive silence imposed by gang violence (27:06).

6. Investigation and Evidence (29:09–36:10)

• Community and Forensic Leads:
  • Multiple witnesses placed the same stolen black Nissan Maxima at both crime scenes. Shell casings matched, and a distinctive red “Bag Season” hoodie linked the shootings (30:08).
  • Both crimes traced to Israel LeCompte, as identified by survivors and corroborated by social media evidence—including LeCompte himself wearing the incriminating hoodie (32:53, 33:14).
  • LeCompte’s gang, Northpac, was already under extensive investigation, culminating in multiple indictments for murder and related charges involving members as young as 15–23.

7. Sentence and Aftermath (36:10–41:35; 44:17–47:11; 55:53–56:38)

• Community Loss:
  • Moving statement from Matima’s brother Rakim, mourning the loss of “a part of my soul” due to “malice, envy, and darkness.” (36:25)
  • Both families and community wondered at the senselessness: “My brother wasn’t in no gang. He was just following his dreams and living his life.” — Rakim Clark (36:25)
• Prosecution of LeCompte and Northpac:
  • LeCompte: Convicted on multiple charges—including two counts of first-degree murder. At sentencing, showed little real remorse, describing his killing of Nathan Smith as “stuff went wrong” (45:33).

    “That’s not what you say when two people are murdered in a botched marijuana robbery … you’re trivializing it so much that it sounds Bizarre and insincere.” — Mike Ferguson (45:33)

  • Life sentences, plus extensive auxiliary time for LeCompte and other Northpac members, ensured they’d remain off the streets (56:02).

    “In total, the prosecution of the North Pac Gang defendants resulted in six life sentences and an additional 400 years of prison time.” — Mike Ferguson (56:05)

8. The Broader Picture: Cycles, Choices, and Legacy (38:30–39:16; 51:00–52:48)

• Alternatives to Violence:
  • While acknowledging the difficulty of growing up under such conditions, hosts stress that “it doesn’t mean you have to [join a gang]—and I think these guys were living proof of that.” (39:16)
• Social Media and Gang Culture:
  • LeCompte and Northpac used social media for reputation-building, taunts, and as a tool for intimidation, reflecting a shifting environment for youth violence (47:11–48:19).

9. The Hopeful Aftermath (39:31–41:36)

• Scholarship Fund:
  • In Matima’s memory, his family established the “Swavy Shining Youth Scholarship Foundation” to support young dreamers (39:31).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Jealousy and Success:

  “What was gained from these murders? Nothing. The shooters gained absolutely nothing from it.” — Mike Ferguson (37:22)

• On Gang Initiations:

  “Sometimes the price to get in is to kill someone. I mean, I don’t understand the mindset, but truthfully, I’ve never been in the situation.” — Mike Ferguson (37:47)

• On Violence in Broad Daylight:

  “If they’re willing to shoot these guys in broad daylight with witnesses, what’s going to stop them from killing [Quan]? Nothing.” — Mike Ferguson (28:10)

• On LeCompte’s Lack of Remorse:

  “He promised to use his time in prison to better himself. What are you going to say at that point, Gibbs? ‘Stuff went wrong.’” — Mike Ferguson (45:33)
  “He wasn’t hiding his face. He was shooting people in front of crowds...there’s no doubt he had a very low appreciation for life.” — Mike Ferguson (55:13)

• On the Victims’ Legacy:

  “They could have easily joined the gang, but they didn’t. Why? Because they didn’t want to go that route. And they were making something of themselves.” — Mike Ferguson (38:47)

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Important Timestamps & Segments

• 04:35 — Introduction to Matima Miller and TikTok rise
• 08:07 — Family background and impact of stepfather’s death
• 11:43 — Matima’s TikTok journey and plans to move to Atlanta
• 19:16 — Partnership with Quentin Dorsey & Bag Season
• 22:57 — Quentin’s murder recounted in detail
• 24:40 — Matima’s murder, witness account
• 29:09 — Community response, police investigation begins
• 30:08 — Forensics: shell casings and black Nissan Maxima
• 32:53 — Israel LeCompte named as suspect, evidence mounting
• 36:25 — Rakim Clark’s moving tribute to his brother
• 39:31 — Announcement of Swavy Shining Youth Scholarship Foundation
• 41:36 — LeCompte indicted in connection with a quadruple shooting
• 44:17 — Trial testimony and LeCompte’s attitude in court
• 47:11 — Northpac gang’s role and motives around reputation, social media
• 55:53 — Sentencing: two life terms plus 163 years for LeCompte
• 56:05 — Broader gang indictments: six life sentences, 400 years

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Tone & Style

The hosts balance moments of gravity with light banter, using humor mainly to soften the distressing content and highlight the humanity of their subjects. Their conversational, unscripted approach underscores their compassion for the victims and frustration with senseless violence, while remaining respectful toward those affected.

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Summary Takeaway

Episode 514 tells the heartbreaking story of two young men who beat the odds through talent, entrepreneurship, and ambition, only to lose their lives to jealousy and gang violence rooted in a challenged community. Through a thorough breakdown of the case, hosts Mike Ferguson and Mike Gibson reveal the tragic cycle of violence, the power and peril of social media in gang culture, and the undaunted hope of the families left behind, who now strive to ensure their loved ones’ legacies inspire change.

Transcript

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[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

And welcome to episode 514 of the True Crime all the Time podcast. I'm Mike Ferguson and with me, as always, is my partner in true crime, Mike Gibson. Gibby, how are you?

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

I'm good, man. And you?

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

I'm doing great. Yeah, you look like I'm actually doing better than you this week.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah, you are. Again.

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[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

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[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

That's true. That's true.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Let's go ahead and give our Patreon shout outs. We had Eric. Plans.

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Well, thanks, Shari.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

And last but not least, Michelle McDaniel. Thanks, double M. And then if we go back into the vault this week, we selected Annette Quisenberry.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

There is Annette.

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[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

And I actually remember when she signed up because that name jumped out at me.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Do you exactly the time, date and

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

no, no, no, because it's been a Long time ago. We're probably. We're probably in 2019 right now in the vault. So we're still pretty far back in time. But I do remember that name.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah, it's. It's not your average last name.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

No. But we appreciate all the Patreon support. Thank you very much. We have an episode right now on Unsolved that's out and it's on Kevin Verveil Jr. Just days after his parents brought him home from the hospital, Kevin was abducted by a woman who claimed to be part of an organization that assisted young families. So a very strange but interesting case and a little different from some of our other Unsolved in that there's a very good likelihood that although this case happened over 40 years ago, Kevin is probably out there alive and just has no idea who he really is.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

You know, you think. I think you hope someone listens to a case like this and they hear something that just kind of rings true to them or just clicks, clicks, and they're like, you know, that kind of sounds like some questions I've been having about my own life.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Yeah. Or someone they know.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

And then on Thursday's tcat, we're talking about Sharon Erickson. She was a retired county worker who was murdered in a very small town in Nebraska. And after the murder, people in this small town started pointing the finger at each other.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Oh, the good old small towns.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Oh, I mean, we're talking small, like 100 people.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah, that's tiny.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

All right, buddy, are you ready to get into this episode of True Crime? All the Time?

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

I am.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

We're talking about Matima Miller. 19 year old Mateema Miller, whom millions of people knew by his TikTok nickname Swavy, was murdered in broad daylight in July 2021. With community support, police quickly identified his killer, who was linked to multiple gang related crimes. At the time of his death, Metema Miller had 2.3 million followers on TikTok, where he posted under the username @babyfaces, had another 300,000 followers on Instagram. His fans knew him by the nickname Swavy.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

It's hard to get followers on TikTok.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

That is a lot.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

That is a lot.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

You got millions and then 300,000 on Instagram. And those are really impressive numbers when it comes to followers.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

You're doing something right there in that social media world.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Mateema Abbasi Miller Jr. Was born on December 26, 2001 in Wilmington, Delaware, and Matima spent his whole life in Wilmington. He was always close with his family, who described him as A helpful, active and sweet little boy. His family recalled how he started dancing when he was still in diapers. Dancing always seemed to come naturally to him.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Just like it does for me.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

You know, and it's come full circle.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Right.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Because you started dancing in diapers and now you're still dancing in diapers. It's, it's done like a full circle.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

360 Rex West.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Occasionally, I mean you call them depends, but it's the same thing.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah. Sometimes he requires them. If it's late evening show, which is 4:30. Which is 4:30 and he's had a little bit more drink that day than normal. Yeah, yeah. It's possible you might catch him with something on.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

But I will say you are a hell of a dancer and that's something most people probably would not think about you.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Do they call me Michael Jackson? You know, maybe.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

No, I always think of you as more of a Patrick Swayze in like a Dirty Dancing type role.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Oh yeah. I can do those moves left and right, left, right, right, left.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

So Matima, you know, he was a dancer. He grew up idolizing stars like Michael Jackson. And you know, let's face it, a lot of people did.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Sure they did.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

His brother Rakim Clark said Matima was a daredevil who liked doing backflips off of cars, pick fences and walls.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

And I had a friend that loved doing that. You probably know somebody that like to do that kind of stuff too. Just randomly doing backflips.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, I can think of some people who I guess like today it would be like parkour. Maybe they call it parkour. Yeah, we used to just call it being stupid.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

I was not one of those people because I never wanted to hurt myself and I just had a feeling I probably would. But when someone told Mitima he couldn't do something, he always wanted to prove them wrong. And I know a lot of people know someone like this for sure.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Right.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

The minute. And a lot of our kids are like this. Right. The minute you tell them they can't do something, that's when they want to do it more than anything.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Right.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

According to his sister Qua, she and Rakim have a different father than Mateema. But Matima's father wasn't in his life, which made him feel like he wasn't good enough. It's tough, right?

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Sure.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

You have siblings who have a different father and let's say their father, you know, is in their lives. Your father is not. There's going to be some feelings of inadequacy there.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah, I Mean, because you're what's wrong with me that he didn't want to be here with.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, for me, maybe some jealousy, anger, things like that. When Matima's mother, Moni, started seeing a man named Shannon, he became a father figure to Mateema and they developed a close bond. Tragically, Shannon was killed due to gun violence. The loss of his stepfather deeply affected Matima. He went through a difficult time. He began acting out in school and spending more time away from home. This worried Mitima's family because drugs and gang violence are persistent problems in Wilmington. And we just talked about how his father was in, in his life. Then, you know, along comes Shannon, who seemed like he was a very positive influence in Matima's life. And then all of a sudden, Shannon is murdered.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Stripped out of his life or killed.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

And. And, yeah, like you said, stripped away from his. Mattima's life. That had to have been a big blow, right? You had no one when it comes to a father figure. Then you had this guy who you probably looked up to, and now all of a sudden, he's gone.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

The double whammy.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Mattema's sister told the show. Deadly influence. Wilmington, Delaware is known as Killer Murder Town, usa. Where we live, there's only two ways to go. Either going to be someone positive or you're going to be sucked into your environment and join a gang.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

It's funny, you know, you hear this and at least in my arena, when you think of Wilmington, Delaware, you think of all the banks that use that address.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

For their corporation.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

I did not realize that Wilmington, Delaware was a, a high crime, high murder rate place. I really didn't. Moni tried to protect her kids from this by making sure they stayed in school and taking them to church each Sunday. She encouraged them to get involved in church activities. So Matima joined his church's step dancing team called the Holy Soldiers. Matima enjoyed being part of the group and had a natural talent for step dancing.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

You like to step dance?

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

I don't know for sure what step dancing is.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Come on, I've seen you do it. You know, you're jumping around to the beat, you know, really?

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

That's your definition. Step dancing is stepping around to the beat.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

I mean, it's better than when you used to do the jig thing that you did. That was nowhere near cue. You're just out here doing an Irish jig or you called it the Scottish jig.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

First of all, anyone who knows me knows that I would never be caught dancing. Not that way, anyway.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah, you probably. To be honest, you probably were like a Western two stepper.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

My wife and I did do country line dancing when we were younger.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah, I can see that.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

We had hats and buckles and everything.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

I see the hat right here. It's in the studio.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

There's a couple of hats around. In February 2020, Matima created his TikTok account. He posted his first video on March 3, 2020. He soon started posting regularly, mostly dance videos filmed in his living room, his neighborhood, or in public places. His videos featured trending dance moves, popular dances from various cities, and cultural dances from around the world. He became known for dancing in his crocs.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Crocs. You know, there's a. Either love them or hate them. With crocs, like, people either gotta have their crocs or people are like, those are the most disgusting things ever.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, I think there's. It can go either way, but there's probably very little in between.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah, you're right.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

People either love them, can't live without them, or they absolutely hate them. Eventually, Matima started posting comedy sketches that were just as popular with his audience. After just five months on TikTok, he had over 400,000 followers. That seems like a. Like a crazy number. Celebrities like Missy Elliott, Snoop Dogg, and Chris Brown took notice of his videos. Mateema featured his family in some of his posts. In one video, he pretended his brother Rakim was his dad, but his followers quickly caught on to the joke. Mateema became close friends with a boy named Quan, who found his account and realized they went to the same school. They started hanging out and soon became inseparable. They filmed videos together, and Mitima became a social media mentor to him. Quon considered Mitima's brother and said he was funny, goofy, caring, he would always be there for my rescue. And, you know, let's face it, there are a lot of people in the last 10 years or so who have made a lot of money on YouTube, TikTok, things like that, or have thought that they could and at least tried it. I mean, there are young kids right now who believe that's going to be their life goal.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Oh, believe me, I know. My son chase, he's on TikTok. He has like 700,000 followers. And it just kind of started out as a him cooking, and now he has all these followers. And it's not what he's, you know, where his way to fund his life is.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Right. He just does it as kind of a side thing.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah, but it's kind of just taken off now. Now he's just trying to get to a million. Because that's what you do, right? If you hit a. You first want to hit 100,000, hit 100,000, you want to hit 500,000. Now you want to hit a million, hit. Yeah. Subscribers, so. Or followers, whatever it is.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

And he's a good looking cat.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah, he's not bad looking. I mean obviously he didn't.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

I mean he is a. He is a Gibby.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Well, he is, he is definitely a Gibby. Just taller, longer, more, longer hair.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

He's got like a Thor looking hair do.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

California blondish.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

It just. He has a weird tick tock. It's him cooking. It's. But a lot of people go there for the comets, so I don't know. Shut up, Chase.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

I'm not, I'm not on TikTok. I don't really understand TikTok, but I do watch a lot of shorts on YouTube which I believe pretty much come from TikTok. So I kind of get it now. Yeah, they can be quite addictive.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

We do have a TikTok channel though. We do, yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

We don't really post anything on it, but we do have one.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah, go check it out.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

I don't know what to put on there. As Matima's fan base grew, his brother Rakim helped him monetize his TikTok account. Matima earned around $80,000 from TikTok in just a few months. That is a boatload of money.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

It is. I think it's harder to monetize like that today because so many people do it. Obviously you can still monetize and make good money, but I mean, it'd be great if you could make that type of money out of the gate, you know, with a few hundred thousand.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Yeah. Well, after nine months on TikTok, he had over a million followers.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Wow.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Although he was a social media star, Matima was still a normal teenage boy who enjoyed hanging out with his friends. He was conscious of gang activity in his neighborhood and tried to stay as safe as possible. He wasn't involved in gangs in any way, but a local gang was targeting one of his friends. This gang once shot at Mateema and his friends, but no one was harmed. This was Mattema's first time witnessing a shooting up close and he became even more conscious about staying safe. You know what will make you more conscious about your safety? Being shot at.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Absolutely.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

I never have, knock on wood.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Well, you haven't, but you did have a bullet come through your house.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

I did. So we weren't home at the time. But it was a little scary to discover after the fact.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Absolutely. See, some people would say they survived a drive by.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Maybe it was just one though. Can you call that a drive by?

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Just one how you tell the story.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, that's true, that's true. I could really play it up, I guess, if I wanted to.

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[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Matima's mother, Moni, found a gun in the house. She explained that she was angry with Matima because she didn't want weapons in the home. She asked him to get rid of it and he did. She didn't think much of it after that, but figured he had the gun for protection. Well, if you're getting shot at, yeah, maybe you do have one if you can legally own it. Fatima started to treat his social media accounts as a full time job. He wanted to earn more money so he could move himself and his family out of Wilmington. He dreamed of buying a house in Atlanta and moving his loved ones to the city. And I get it, man, if you're in a, in an area that is heavily gang infested, you've already been shot at once and you are making pretty good money. Yeah, I could see a dream of maybe moving somewhere else, a little safer, a little nicer. So he started doing collaborations with other creators and traveling around the country to make videos. He also had a goal of creating a YouTube channel and monetizing that account. Man, monetize anything you can.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Well, that's the name of the game.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Matima began collaborating with 22 year old Quentin Dorsey, a Wilmington Local who owned his own clothing brand. This guy owns his own clothing brand at 22 years old? Yeah, at 22, I'm pretty sure I was pushing carts at Walmart, trying to

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

remember what I was doing at 22.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

I might have been a manager at Walmart by that time, but at one point, I was pushing cards.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

I think I might have been at ups. One of. One of the probably handful jobs I

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

had at that time, besides being a

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

male escort slash entertainer. Deuce.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

You were like the original Deuce Bigelow.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Love that movie, man.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, he hasn't done a lot of. A lot of good movies, but that one's pretty funny.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

You don't have to think to watch it. You just laugh because it's so stupid.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

It's not highbrow, that. That's for sure.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Quentin Dorsey lost his father to gun violence, and his mother died of a heart attack. Although his childhood was difficult, he grew up to be a happy and successful young man. Quentin was raised by his grandmother, Deborah Cleveland, until he was 13. At that point, he moved in with his aunt Tanya. In 2019, shortly after graduating high school, Quentin started a clothing brand called Bag Season. He started off by pressing and tie dying T shirts in his basement. He later expanded his clothing line to include hoodies, tracksuits, shorts, and socks. According to his grandmother, he picked himself up from the bootstraps.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Go get her, man.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

I tell you what, I have a lot of respect for people like this.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

You know, to. To start something from scratch and to work really hard to build it and to have it pay off. That is a really good feeling.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Entrepreneurship at the best.

[Grainger Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

I mean, I think this guy went through a lot. He could have gone a number of different directions, but there's no doubt he decided to stay very positive and do something good with his life. And it was said that many people in Wilmington wore Bag Season clothes. Quentin did pop up shops on Saturdays and typically made a few thousand dollars each weekend.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Even on the weekends. He was a go getter.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Right.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

He could have been doing anything else, but he's like, I'm gonna do a pop up and I'm gonna sell my stuff and make some money.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Where most kids his age probably would have been at home playing video games or whatever.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Or still in bed.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Or still in bed. Quentin became the main provider for his siblings and family. His family said that his dedication to his business kept him from getting involved in gangs or drugs, which is why they were shocked that he was later targeted by a gang. In 2021, Quentin started giving Mattema Miller bag season clothes to wear in his videos. At first, their relationship was just business. But the two young men developed a bond. Quentin Dorsey was fatally shot in Wilmington's east side neighborhood on July 2, 2021. That day, Quentin visited his grandmother and was hosting a pop up shop. And outside her house, Deborah Cleveland and several of her grandchildren were near her front steps when a man approached. Quentin drew a gun to the left side of his head and pulled the trigger. And it was said, Gibbs, that the impact lifted Quentin into the air and sent his body crashing to the ground. And he was dead by the time he hit the ground.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

That's a pretty high caliber gun then, right?

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Well, it sounds like it. I mean, obviously he was pretty close, so that had something to do with it. But I can't even imagine. Gibbs, right? Deborah's out there. There's other people out there, some of her grandchildren. And to watch this happen right in front of you to someone you love, it's unimaginable. I mean, it's hard enough to think about finding out that someone you love has been murdered, but to see it happen right in front of you, no way. It'd be hard to. To live through for sure. The bullet went through the front window into the room where Debra's husband and other grandchildren were sitting. People began to run. As the gunman fled the scene, Debra recalled to the news Journal. I know Quentin is dead. I'm watching him bleed out brains and blood. Then a crowd of people grabbing me. Deborah told police she could identify the killer and picked 18 year old Israel lecompte from a photo lineup hours after the shooting. Lecompte was affiliated with the north pack gang in Wilmington.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

18 years old man, but that's not uncommon with some of these gangs. 18 year old, 16 year old.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Unfortunately, they can get involved. People can with the gangs. Pretty young, apparently. Quentin was standing in front of her before he was shot and. And asked the shooter if he was really going to do this in front of his grandmother. The shooter replied, fuck your grandma, and then shot him. I mean, that is cold blooded.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah, it is. It really is.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

One family member who asked not to be named, told the news journal they believed the motive for the murder was envy over Quentin's success. Matima Miller was saddened by the loss of his friend and. And everyone in the community was worried because the shooter hadn't been caught yet. And then just three days later, Matima was murdered. On the morning of July 5, 2021, Mateema and his friend Quan went to a nearby McDonald's to get breakfast. Quon recalled that on the drive home, Mitima told him, I love you, bro, and I got a plan. I'm going to move us out to Atlanta this or next week. They returned to Matima's house and started walking inside when a man in a red hoodie approached and shot Matima in the chest three times. Fatima tried to grab the weapon, but he wasn't fast enough. The gunman immediately ran away. Quan ran inside the house to get Matima's mother, Moni. She ran outside and saw Mattima face down on the ground. He was still alive but but was gasping for air. He was quickly transported to the hospital and his mother wasn't allowed to ride with him. By the time she got there, she was told that Mattema had died. I mean, these are both very difficult situations. I do want to go back to the murder of Quentin. You know, this thought that people were envious of his success. And maybe we're going to find out that it's similar here with Mitima. You know, that can be a big problem, especially for young people.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Right.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

If you're 18 years old and you're seeing another 18 year old who, you know, who's blowing up on social media, they've got their own clothing line now. These people are making all this money, they're becoming quasi famous. That can be hard for some people to handle.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

And it's strange for me because you think instead of being jealous or envious or whatever. Right. You should be happy. These are two guys that are doing really well, probably going to be able to get away from the neighborhood, but they're on their way up and out, are probably going to lift some people up with them. And you would want to encourage that. Yeah, be like, you know, we don't want that happening. Let's make sure we knock these people down.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Well, I mean, how much of it has to do with being in this gang? And I think we're going to find out. Right. But that's got to be a contributing factor. Hours after the shooting, social media condolences poured in on Matima's pages. Matima posted his last video on TikTok late on July 4th or early on July 5th. Fans had already identified Mattema as the victim of the shooting before even the police did. According to the family, Quon was the sole witness to the shooting, but he didn't want to tell the police what he saw. In his interview for the show, Deadly Influence, Quon explained that he was scared and didn't want to be the Next target for going to the police. And I don't know how much you can blame this guy.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

I don't think he can. I mean, he has a good reason to, based on the fact that two people are now dead.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

And he has every right to think that, you know, if he tells what he saw, he's going to be next.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

If they're willing to shoot these guys in broad daylight with witnesses, what's going to stop them from killing him? Nothing.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Nothing.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Right.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

They don't care. They're not even trying to hide their identity.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Right.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

People are identifying them, you know, shortly after the shooting. So, you know, you want to think, okay, if you saw it, you want to tell the police everything that you saw, you want to help solve the murder. But on the flip side of that, you know, at some point, do you have to be worried about your own safety? And I think this guy certainly did have to factor that in. You know, I talked about people being envious of others, successful. I think that's probably true here with Quentin and Matima. But you know what else people don't like, especially gang members? They don't like people who rat others out. There's a lot of criminals who don't like that.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

It's kind of like crime 101.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Right?

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

You're not supposed to rat out the bad guys.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Over the following days, the Wilmington Police Department was inundated with calls asking for updates on the investigation. Local residents also came together to solve the murders of two prominent young men in the city. And that's one thing I don't want to lose sight of. You know, we're talking about these two guys, and they seem to be on the right path.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

And we talked about Quinton pulling himself up from what seemed to be, you know, a pretty bad set of circumstances. But he was doing amazingly, had started his own company, and, you know, Matima was on his way.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Right.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Had a lot of fans, was making some money. I mean, I think you could easily say that these guys had a very bright future ahead of them. They're also staying away from that gang lifestyle.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah, they've chose a different path, and that path has proven to be successful for them up until the point that they're murdered.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

But it's also hard for me not to believe that their success had something to do with the murders. With the help of local residents, police put together a timeline of a crime spree that began on July 1, 2021. That day, a black Nissan Maxima with tinted windows was stolen in the area. That same vehicle was Seen nearby during the shootings of Quentin Dorsey and Mattima Miller. Authorities determined that the shell casings at both crime scenes matched. And witnesses at both shootings reported that the killer was wearing a red bag season hoodie, which was Quinton's brand. So, I mean, they're getting a lot of information. A lot of good information. Yeah, you have this black Nissan Maxima, stolen, but seen at bow shootings. And then once you determine that the shell casings at both crime scenes match, pretty much denotes that the same gun was used.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Right.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Now you can infer that it's the same killer. That is also strengthened by this report that the killer was wearing this red bag season hoodie.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

I mean, this is good stuff for the police.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

It really is. I think the questions that I would have is, okay, these two guys, then it sounds like were targeted, but why? Was it solely because of their success and somebody was jealous? And what's the significance of the killer actually wearing a bag season hoodie? I mean, it's just all stuff that the police are going to have to try to figure out on top of who the actual shooter is.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Right.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Matima's mother, Moni, pleaded with Quan to speak to the police and tell them what he saw. He agreed. First, he sent Matima's brother Rakim an Instagram photo of a man he identified as the shooter. Rakim forwarded this information to the police. Matima's killer was identified as Israel Lecompte, the same person who Quentin Dorsey's grandmother identified as his shooter. And that doesn't surprise me at all.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Right.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

We talked about matching shell casings, matching car, the same red hoodie. Well, if Lecompte is identified as the first shooter, very likely he's the shooter of Matema as well.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

It just tracks that way.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Surveillance footage captured a man believed to be Lecomte at various crime scenes in the distinctive red hoodie. LeCompte's social media showed him in the same bag season hoodie. I'm telling you, social media is great, but it can also come back to bite you in the ass.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

It can. And we've done some cases over the last year that it. It kind of went in the. Against the killer.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

With things that you at the time, I'm sure, thought were innocuous.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Right.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

It didn't matter. Not that big a deal. Okay. I posted a picture of me in this outfit. Well, if you later wear that outfit to commit a murder or murders, it's going to most likely become a big deal.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Lecomte was arrested on July 10, 2021. And we said it right. But he was part of this North Pac gang, which was responsible for numerous crimes in Wilmington. In May 2021, 14 young men and teenagers were indicted on more than 120 criminal charges, including murder, stemming from their involvement in the northpac street gang.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Man, that's a healthy amount of crimes going on.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

It is. You know, some of these street gangs are extremely violent. Though it was said that these crimes occurred between November 2018 and April 2021, and at least six people were killed. Half of the 14 suspects were indicted on murder charges. The ages of the people indicted ranged from 15 to 23 years old.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

I mean, to be indicted at the age of 15, where's your life go from there? I mean, really, from 15 to 23, where does your life go? But at 15. Wow.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

You know, that's the thing. These gangs, they recruit kids at a very young age.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

And have them doing very adult stuff.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Right.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

At a young age.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

That's true. I mean, these kids idolize these guys. Right. They think the gang life is really cool. They see, you know, fast money, you

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

know, cars, and maybe just. They want to belong to something.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah, sometimes that's true.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Some people.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah, people just feel. Have the need to feel like they belong. That's why you belong to the polka dance society. I know that it helps you.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

It has nothing to do with polka. I just need a friend every now and then.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

And let's not forget, you do have a love for that accordion thing.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Well, you know, there's not many places to show off your accordion skills.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah. You are good at it.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

On November 8, 2021, Israel LeCompte was indicted on 38 felony charges, including two counts of first degree murder, 10 counts of possession of a firearm during the commission of a felony, three counts of robbery, and one count of illegal gang participation. 38 felony charges.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

It's a healthy amount of charges right there.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

I mean, even if some of those are dropped.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

You're still looking at. If convicted for any of them, you're looking at a long time.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Well, I mean, you got two counts of first degree murder. Well, buried in that.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Sure. I mean, Those are the two biggies. On November 18, Rakim Clark posted on Instagram about the toll the loss of his brother had taken on him. He said, a coward took a part of my soul away from me. No reasoning can justify why Tema's life was cut short. You gained nothing from it. Nothing but malice, envy, and darkness could drive someone to take an innocent person's life like that. My brother wasn't in no gang. He was just following his dreams and living his life. And I got to be honest with you, I mean, it's very well written and very emotional. It's hard not to get emotional when you think about this guy writing this about his brother and the loss that he's experiencing. And he's right. What was gained from these murders?

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Nothing.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Nothing was taken. But the lives of these two young men, the shooters gained absolutely nothing from it.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

No, but you took away these individuals from their loved ones, Family, community, You know, they were doing good out there, they weren't doing bad.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

You know, and sometimes some of these gangs have like, initiation rights.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Right.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

And sometimes the. The price to get in is to kill someone.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

I mean, I don't understand the mindset, but truthfully, I've never been in the situation. Right. That many of these young people were probably in. I still don't think I would do it, but it's easy for me to say in this air conditioned studio right now, having not had to live that life.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah. You know, if we were on the streets, didn't have anything, and we're struggling, maybe we would see it differently.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Maybe, you know, I. I don't know.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

I don't think I would. But I can say that.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Because I don't know anything.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

I'm with you. You don't want to think you would do that.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

But here's the thing, right? Quentin and Matima, they didn't have it great. They went through a lot in their lives. They. They lived in the same town. They could have easily joined the gang, but they didn't. Why? Because they didn't want to go that route.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

No, they wanted to be something different. More than that.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

And they were making something of themselves that these other people could have done as well. But they chose to go the gang route, so it's hard to say that it's inescapable. Now, are you more likely to join a gang if your life starts out a certain way? Yeah, possibly. But it doesn't mean you have to. And I think these guys were living proof of that.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

I think they were inspirational to many. And I just wish these gang members would have seen that. Like, you know, they're not bad. They're inspirational for the community, and we should view that as a good thing.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

I mean, that's the way you and I think. Right. It's kind of hard for us to understand how others think in some of these situations. In honor of what would have been Mateema's 20th birthday in December 2021, his family set up a GoFundMe account to raise money for a scholarship in his honor called Swavy Shining Youth Scholarship Foundation. According to an Instagram post by the family, our hope is that this scholarship will will continue Mitima's legacy and create many opportunities for dreamers just like him to increase their academic achievement and assist in their overall success. And that's a great thing. And it happens quite a bit right where the family is trying to make something good happen out of this horrific tragedy and they want to do something good in the name of their lost loved ones. In March 2022, Israel Lecomte was charged in connection with a quadruple shooting in the Knollwood community of Claymont that killed two people and injured two more. He was indicted for murder, assault, attempted robbery, conspiracy and several firearms charges. The shooting occurred on July 14, 2021. LeCompte and 16 year old Jazeer Brown conspired to rob 27 year old Nathan Smith. During the robbery, Lecompte shot smith and a 19 year old woman who was with him. Smith died at a hospital and the woman suffered non life threatening injuries. Jasir Brown was also killed in the robbery. It was unclear who shot him. Lecompte later showed up at the hospital with non life threatening injuries. According to witnesses who spoke with the News Journal, Lecompte and Brown were trying to rob Smith of marijuana. So I mean, it's hard to say anything good about Israel Lecomte?

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

No.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

He just wanted to hurt people and take things.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Or again, the case of Quentin and Metema. It doesn't sound like he took anything. He just wanted to kill them right here. It does sound like maybe he wanted to rob this guy of some marijuana. He ends up killing the guy, shoots the girl, but she lives. And somehow his buddy is shot, but it's unsure whether he shot him or one of the victims did. I wouldn't be surprised if Israel shot him too in the commotion.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah, might have.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Of the whole thing.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

This is definitely some guy that shouldn't be walking around on the streets.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

No, I don't see this as a person, you know, who you slap on the wrist and say, you know, don't do these things again. No, this person needs to spend a very, very long time incarcerated.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yes.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

For what they've done. They have killed multiple people. And to me, Gibbs, they don't show any signs of stopping.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Right.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Unless they're stopped and put away.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

And at such a young age. Where's it Going to go.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

It's probably just going to get worse. On October 20, 2023, Israel Lecompte was sentenced to 27 years in prison for the murder of Nathan Smith in what prosecutors described as a botched robbery that led to the death of Smith and Jasir Brown. The sentencing occurred after Lecomte pleaded guilty to second degree murder, assault, attempted robbery and a weapons charge. Prosecutors detailed the events leading up to the fatal shooting. Lecomte and multiple others carjacked to Chevy Impala on a Wednesday in July in Chester, Pennsylvania. They drove around Wilmington looking to shoot rival gang members before heading to Claymont and the Knollwood community with the intent to rob Nathan Smith. Smith was armed and a gunfight broke out that killed Smith and Brown. Deputy Attorney General John Downs asked the judge to go beyond the minimum mandatory sentence required by the plea deal. He noted that Lecompte had a challenging life, but he was also given court ordered interventions and treatment and and still return to a life of carjackings, robberies and shootings. Lecomte displayed a lack of remorse and suggested he only pleaded guilty because his DNA was found at the crime scene and because he was shot.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Well, I think 1. It's the life he knew is why he kept on going back to it. He didn't know anything more than that.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, that's. That's entirely possible. But also, I don't think he was going to change that life anytime soon unless made to.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah, he wasn't going to do it because someone told him he should clean up his life.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

In mitigation, Lecomte's attorney told the court that he had shown remorse and didn't go out with the intention of killing anyone. Lecomte had a long history of trauma and underdeveloped intellectual. Lecomte addressed Nathan Smith's family. He apologized and took responsibility for the crime, but said he didn't set out to hurt Smith. He simply said stuff went wrong. He promised to use his time in prison to better himself. What are you going to say at that point, Gibbs? But you know, stuff went wrong. Okay, that's like you. You were putting together a display at the end of an aisle at Walmart of glass jars of pickles, and you knocked one over, that knocked the whole thing over and everything broke. Hey, stuff went wrong.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

That's right. Shit went down.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

But that's not what you say when two people are murdered in a botched marijuana robbery. No, I get it. Technically, stuff did go wrong. But that you're trivializing it so much that it sounds Bizarre and insincere. Yeah, I would say that as well. And you know, I promise that I'm going to better myself in prison. Hey, that's great if you do, sure. But you know, if I'm the family, I'm like, I just want you to go away and be punished.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah, I don't care what you do when you're in prison.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

I hope you better yourself.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

But.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

On April 4, 2024, Israel was found guilty of the murders of Mattema Miller and Quentin Dorsey. He was also convicted of multiple other charges related to a non fatal shooting and multiple robberies in the summer of 2021. The trial lasted three weeks. As mentioned earlier, in the spring of 2021, dozens of members of the Northpac gang were indicted for gang participation, murders and other crimes. According to the News Journal, throughout various trials, prosecutors showed that the northpac gang's feud with other groups of young men in the city was the motive for the crimes that occurred from 2018 to the summer of 2021. A state gang expert and young men associated with the gang testified that NorthPAC members wanted to taunt or harm other gang affiliated teens in the city and to build a reputation on social media.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Well, that's how you do that, right? You intimidate and you taunt your competition. In this case, other gangs.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, I get that as far as the gang lifestyle, but I didn't know that gangs were big on pumping themselves up on social media. It seems to me that if you're in a criminal enterprise, you would maybe want to stay a little bit low key.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

You would think, well, I guess nowadays,

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

you know, all press is good press, I guess, or all social media's attention is good. I don't know if you're out there robbing and killing, doesn't seem like you want to bring that type of attention to yourself. But I think why this is so important is that prosecutor said that with several of his associates in prison, LeCompte wanted to keep Northpac on the offense. He considered it a score for the gang if he killed Matima Miller and Quentin Dorsey who were successful local celebrities.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

I just don't get that.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

I don't either. But you know, if you look at it from his point of view, which is kind of hard to do because to be honest with you, it doesn't make a lot of sense. But he's wanting to build what the gang's rep and it's going to grow if he kills these two celebrities. Again, doesn't make sense to me. On June 9, LeCompte was involved in a shooting at a North Wilmington park. The targets were associates of a rival gang in the wrong territory. Instead, the shooting wounded a 12 and a 16 year old. Evidence showed LeCompte was the shooter. He was also involved in the theft of multiple cars, including the car spotted at the Dorsey and Miller murders. A woman in Newcastle reported her car stolen on June 30, 2021. Her car was out of gas and had an ignition lock that activated after the carjacker parked it at a Wawa store in Claymont. Surveillance video from inside the gas station showed lecomte buying fuel with his Apple Pay app. Surveillance footage showed him leading others to a nearby housing development where another car was stolen by threat of force. The car was found in Philadelphia in the same lot where a black Nissan Maxima was stolen the following day. The car had distinctive black rims, window tint, and a rear spoiler. A digital record showed that LeComp's phone connected to the audio system in the Nissan minutes after it was stolen. His fingerprints were also found in the car.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

I guess he didn't wipe those down and remove his smartphone from the car.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

But this is so wild, because it just sounds like they're stealing or carjacking cars to drive somewhere where they do it again. Get another car, go somewhere else, steal another car. I mean, you think about the car thefts, the shootings that this guy was involved in. Gibbs, this guy was a real menace to society. There is. There's no other way to say it.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

No. He really was. He was not a good guy. Regardless of what happened in his childhood.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Yeah. Or his past. And I get it. People have difficult past. But that's why I've made so much out of Quentin and Matima's stories. Because they had difficulties.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Sure.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Growing up. Right. They had obstacles to overcome. A lot of people have that. It doesn't mean that you have to resort to. To joining a gang, that you have to resort to a life of crime. And to me, I don't know how you can use it as an excuse. I really don't.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

If anything, maybe this guy was jealous or just thought it was unfair that these guys took their hardship, made something. Yeah. But, yeah, he couldn't. So if I can't, how dare you? Yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

I mean, maybe that's part of it, but I also think there was an element where, you know, he saw these guys as celebrities, and he thought that this was going to elevate the reputation of the gang.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

And him and him.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

And they do. You know, I Think some gangs and members of gangs have that mindset? Mindset?

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Yeah. Unfortunately, I think they do. The owner of the vehicle identified it in the surveillance footage recorded near the time and location of the Dorsey and Miller murders. The jury heard that Quentin Dorsey's grandmother identified LeCompte in a photo lineup on the day of the shooting. A gang member witness corroborated her testimony that the shooter said, fuck your grandma before killing Quentin. Three witnesses who were associates of Lecomte told authorities that he bragged about the killings. Days after the Dorsey murder, Lecomte robbed two people, including a 12 year old, of his socks. Who in the hell is robbing people for socks?

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

I don't know.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

You know, maybe this guy had really, really small feet. I don't know that he needed a 12 year old socks. But it was said that he was wearing a red and black hoodie and driving a black car. Lecompte was seen wearing a red bank season hoodie. In an Instagram live post the day of the robberies, A relative of the 12 year old victim went looking for Lecomte and found him right away. Lecomte fired shots, but nobody was injured. The shell casings from the shooting matched those at the Dorsey crime scene. And once again, witnesses saw black Nissan fleeing the scene. The Nissan was captured by surveillance footage near the scene of Matima Miller's murder in the Southbridge neighborhood of Wilmington. It seems to me, Gibbs, that they have no shortage of evidence.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Right.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Against this LeCompte guy.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

No, he's the definition of a menace to society.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, I feel like if you looked up that term, they should put this guy's picture next to it. Yeah, that's just no definition needed. Just put his picture. Matima's best friend, quan confirmed that LeCompte was the shooter and picked him out of a photo police lineup. Gang associates also relayed incriminating conversations about the Miller shooting. The black Nissan was found near Claymont after LeCompte and an associate stole a red sedan. In the red sedan, Lecomte and others unsuccessfully fired on rival gang members in Wilmington. Lecomte crashed the car during a police chase and left his phone inside the vehicle before he was arrested. Evidence from his cell phone, including text that could be interpreted as bragging about the crime. So again, tons of evidence against him. Some of this was due to his own kind of incompetence, Right?

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Right.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

He left behind a bunch of incriminating evidence when he left his phone.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

The other thing is, obviously this guy only had one gun because he Used the same gun at every shooting. The shell casings all matched.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Makes the forensics for the police pretty easy.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, I just. I don't think he was trying to cover anything up.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

I don't think he cared.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

He wasn't hiding his face. He was shooting people in front of crowds of other people. There's no doubt he had a very low appreciation for life.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Oh yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Including his own.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Exactly.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

I don't think he cared much about his own life. The defense emphasized discrepancies and witness statements, noting that some witnesses didn't immediately identify LeCompte as the shooter and admitted that they had done research on social media about the killings. And maybe some of those witnesses, like Quan, didn't come forward right away because they were scared to death.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Rightfully so.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

And Rightfully so. In October 2024, Israel Lecomte received two life sentences, plus 163 years.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah, good.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Those are healthy sentences.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

And very well deserved. In total, the prosecution of the North Pac Gang defendants resulted in six life sentences and an additional 400 years of prison time, according to Attorney General Kathy Jennings. All I know is there's a lot of people who were associated with this North Pack gang who are going to be seeing only the inside of a prison for a very long time, possibly including the rest of their lives.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

And to me, let's face it, Israel lacombe definitely deserves to be one of those people. As we wrap this one up, Gibbs. And the murders of Matima Miller and Quentin Dorsey, they were devastating and shocking to their friends and families. Neither young man was involved in gang activity, but they became the targets of the northpac gang. Prosecutors believe that Mateema was executed because of his friendship with Quentin Dorsey. Lead prosecutor Joe Grubb explained in an interview for the show Deadly Influence. We think Israel, the cops wanted to go out and, and prove his worth to his fellow gang members. So he went on a 10 day crime spree and took it upon himself to rob, shoot, steal and promote the gang continuously on Instagram.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

I don't think this the cop cares if he's in prison or not, though. That's the thing. I think it probably didn't impact him the way it would most. Being sent off to prison for the rest of your life.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Well, he certainly didn't act as though prison was a big deterrent.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Right.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

You know, like I said, he didn't cover his face. He didn't try to get away really with any of these things. It just seemed like for this 10 day stretch, he was doing pretty much anything he wanted with very little disregard for human life, property, and even his own outcome.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

And for me, you know, if I was the prison warden, somebody like him coming into my prison, kind of scary, because at a young age, he's already committed all this.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

He's going to be there for a very long time.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

And what does he have to lose to do anything in there? He's already got two life sentences. So what's. How are you going to deter him from doing anything bad in prison?

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

I think there are probably a lot of people in the prison much badder than him.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Oh, for sure. Yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

And they are going to deter him because he doesn't want to get his ass beat.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

I'm sure they're going to school him pretty quick.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

That's my thought.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

There's a lot of things that I do not want to do in my life.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Probably number one on the top of that list is go to prison.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

I think there's a lot of people that have that same list.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, I don't consider myself a wimp, but I certainly don't consider myself a badass either. And do not feel as though it would be fun to have to fight my way through life every day in prison.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Yeah, you'd have to do that.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

You know, he might have to.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

For your meal, for your.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Especially at 53 years old. I don't want to have to be fighting dudes all day, but, man, I can't say it enough. This was one bad guy. I mean, I know there was a whole gang and other bad people as well, but obviously we spent most of our time talking about Israel the comp. He was. And you said it. I just don't think he cared about anything. To commit all these crimes and to kind of promote them on Instagram does not seem like the smartest thing to do. But he's where he belongs.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Absolutely.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

No doubt about it. That's it for our episode on Matima Miller. We got a voicemail. You want to check that out?

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Let's hear it.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Hey, what's up, guys? It's Tex and Cat. I got two stories that can relate to both of those. Gibby. One time when I was in high school, making sure we mess around with some batteries. Teacher said, put them away. I turned around. I don't know why. Put them in a microwave. Like I was gonna get these after class. Come the next day in class, teacher was freaking out. I forgotten I left the batteries in the microwave. At the time, I didn't know something bad would happen if you left batteries in the microwave, but I do now, as you can say. I pulled a Gibby. Mike, I was talking and dating this girl. Valentine's Day came up. I got her a gift. Helped me after I gave it to her. Relate brother. Well, sort of lost in the end. Keep up what you guys are doing. I love it. Stay safe, keep your own time taking.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Guys, I love the voicemail. He obviously listens closely to what we're talking about.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Sounds like it.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Man, there's.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

I don't know.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

It's a bad, bad feeling when you. You think you're in love with someone, you get them something nice for Valentine's Day and then either right then or shortly after they dump your ass. It's not a good feeling.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

No.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

Sorry that happened to you.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

But he's right. It's their loss.

[Podcast Host Mike Gibson]

It is their loss. And sometimes people do put batteries in microwaves and forget that they put them in there because where are you going to store batteries other than the microwave? Maybe he didn't like that teacher.

[Podcast Host Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, maybe. All right, buddy. That is it for another episode of True Crime all the time. So for Mike and Gibby, stay safe and keep your own time ticking.

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