Veronica Bozza

Summary

True Crime All The Time Podcast
Hosts: Mike Ferguson & Mike Gibson
Episode: Veronica Boza (April 27, 2026)

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the 2010 murder of Veronica Boza, a successful television producer and devoted mother, who was shot and killed in her Nashville home. The hosts, Mike Ferguson and Mike Gibson (Gibby), walk listeners through the details of her life, the increasingly contentious relationship with her estranged husband Tim Boza, the convoluted investigation, and the eventual unraveling of a murder-for-hire scheme inspired by a Hollywood movie. The episode explores themes of domestic strife, financial pressure, betrayal, and the hubris of those who believe they can outsmart both the law and fate.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Veronica Boza’s Life and Marital Struggles

• Background: Born in Milan, Italy (03/31/1971), majored in psychology before moving to the US at 23 to pursue TV production (03:42–04:27).
• Career and Family: Accomplished, known for kindness and professionalism (05:06).
• Marriage to Tim Boza: Married in 1994; settled in Hermitage, TN; had one son. Marriage soured due to financial disparities as her career soared while his floundered (05:50–06:23).
  • Mike Ferguson: "There are some men who can't handle that." (06:06)
• Divorce Proceedings: Filed in 2009; asset division resolved, but contentious custody battle ensued. Veronica ultimately received more time with her son but had stiffer financial responsibilities (07:02–08:22).
• Custody Anxiety: Tim was concerned Veronica might relocate, but she repeatedly assured she wanted to stay for their son’s benefit (08:34–09:11).

The Murder

• Timeline: Veronica was shot on August 29, 2010. That morning, she took her son to church, exchanged custody with Tim in the parking lot, and returned home alone (09:11–10:16).
• Discovery: Found around 12:30pm by boyfriend Brian Robinson, after a planned outing. Veronica had been shot four times—a clear sign of a violent struggle (10:16–11:02).
  • Mike Ferguson: "She was going after that gun to try to save herself." (11:02)
• Crime Scene Notes: Missing murder weapon, shell casings mostly removed, clear knowledge of forensic basics (11:00–11:54).

Early Suspects and Alibis

• Boyfriend Under Scrutiny: Brian was considered a suspect given proximity and relationship but had a solid alibi supported by surveillance footage (13:32–14:09, 18:00–19:23, 20:06).
  • Mike Ferguson on Brian's motive: "It can’t be financial. You don't have anything monetarily invested in this relationship." (20:05)
• Estranged Husband Tim Boza: Displayed little emotion when notified, raising investigators' suspicions (21:43–22:16).
• Veronica's Prior Assailant: Eliminated quickly—he was confirmed in jail at the time (14:09–15:04).

Investigative Breakthroughs

• The 12-Minute Window: Timelines established through phone records and witness accounts showed a very small window for the murder—between 12:08pm and 12:20pm (17:42–18:17).
• Suspicious Phone Activity: Tim made several calls to friend Corey Cotham, both before and after the murder (26:19–27:22).
• Phone and Vehicle Tracking: Corey's cell traveled with Veronica’s, and a light-colored SUV matching his was seen near the crime scene (27:26–28:26).

The Murder-for-Hire Plot Unfolds

• Corey Cotham: A friend with a record of violence; his phone's movements matched the timeline of the murder. He gave shifting alibis and became agitated when confronted with phone evidence (27:22–30:49). Police found gloves, clothing, and a red lunchbox (believed to have held the murder weapon) in his car.
• Jenny Addington (Corey’s Girlfriend): Initially corroborated Corey’s alibi but later admitted she couldn't be certain about his whereabouts and revealed she had stolen and hidden a 9mm gun at Corey's request (33:30–34:49).
• Gun Connection: The murder weapon matched casings from Jenny’s ex-husband’s missing gun (35:41).

The Confessions and The Crisscross Murder Plot

• Under Pressure: Jenny wore a wire, and Corey revealed incriminating knowledge about the gun used—details not publicly released (36:52–38:03).
• Hollywood Inspiration: Tim eventually confessed conversations about a murder swap plot—a direct reference to “Throw Mama from the Train” (38:27–39:34).
  • Mike Ferguson: "Tim did say that the plot was inspired by the 1987 movie Throw Mama from the Train." (39:31)
• Tim’s Shifting Storylines: In multiple interviews, Tim alternated between feigned ignorance, partial admissions, and attempts to downplay his role—even after admitting to agreeing to pay Corey $10,000 (45:22–47:19).
• Motivations: Tim had both financial and custody motives. He filed an insurance claim just three days after the murder (24:02–24:44, 42:00).

Prosecution and Verdict

• Evidence:
  • DNA mixture from towel inconclusive but consistent with Corey and Veronica (31:45–32:29).
  • Cell and text records showed incriminating patterns.
  • Both Tim and Corey’s recorded communications revealed knowledge and intention.
• Trial: Both men tried separately and found guilty. Corey sentenced to life without parole plus 25 years (February 2012); Tim in October 2012 not eligible for parole until serving 51 years (52:59–53:19).
• Host Reflection on Outcome: Both hosts agree with sentences; see the case as an example of criminals believing they're smarter than they are and being betrayed by their own stories.
  • Mike Gibson: "You could only pivot so many times anyway." (54:48)
  • Mike Ferguson: "When you're telling the truth, it's easy to keep the story straight... when you're crafting this narrative that turns out to be false, it can be a lot harder..." (54:15–54:48)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Toxic Masculinity & Divorce:
  • Mike Ferguson: "There are some men who can't handle that...I am 100% okay with it..." (06:06)
• On Timeline Realization:
  • Mike Gibson: "That's a very small window." (17:42)
• On Phone Evidence and Tracking:
  • Mike Ferguson: "But here's the thing, right? If this guy turns out to be the killer...why didn't he have enough sense to think that his phone was going to be tracked?" (27:55)
• On the Crisscross Plot’s Absurdity:
  • Mike Gibson (on the murder swap): "Is this like the Stranger on the Train?" (39:14)
• On Parental Priorities:
  • Mike Ferguson: "...how does one parent not think that no matter how this shakes out, it is going to do irreparable damage to their child?" (56:06)
• On Lying to the Police:
  • Mike Ferguson: "When you're telling the truth, it's easy to keep the story straight..." (54:15)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Veronica’s Background: 03:10–05:06
• Marital Tension and Divorce: 05:50–09:11
• The Murder and Immediate Aftermath: 09:11–12:33
• Early Suspect Alibis: 13:32–15:04, 18:00–19:23
• Timeline & Crime Scene Forensics: 17:42–18:17, 26:19–28:26
• Corey’s Suspect Status & Evidence: 27:22–31:25, 33:07–34:49
• Revelation of Murder-for-Hire Plot: 38:27–41:15
• Tim’s Multiple Confessions: 41:15–47:19
• Trial & Sentencing: 52:59–53:19
• Reflection, Victim Impact, and Morality: 56:00–56:57

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Podcast Tone and Style

• The hosts maintain a conversational (often humorous) rapport, balancing levity with serious analysis.
• Frequent asides, pop culture references (“Throw Mama from the Train”), and personal anecdotes offer relatable commentary.
• Emphasis on the procedural aspects of true crime investigations and the all-too-human failings of suspects.

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For those unfamiliar with the episode, this summary captures both the facts and the unique blend of warmth and wit that characterize True Crime All The Time’s storytelling. The unraveling of Veronica Boza’s tragic murder highlights the perils of greed, pride, and misplaced confidence in one’s own cleverness.

Transcript

[Mike Ferguson]

This episode is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Do you ever think about switching insurance companies to see if you could save some cash? Progressive makes it easy to see if you could save when you bundle your home and auto policies. Try [e-mail] Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates. Potential savings will vary. Not available in all states. Hello, everyone, and welcome to episode 492 of the True Crime all the Time podcast. I'm Mike Ferguson and with me, as always, is partner in true crime, Mike Gibson. Gibby, how are you doing?

[Mike Gibson]

Hey, I'm doing okay. How about you?

[Mike Ferguson]

I'm doing great, man.

[Mike Gibson]

Good.

[Mike Ferguson]

You know, weather's picking up. Getting nicer.

[Mike Gibson]

It is.

[Mike Ferguson]

My wife and I can go out for a walk. I don't a lot, but she does.

[Mike Gibson]

I can start wearing my half shirts.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah. Or the fishnet ones.

[Mike Gibson]

Fishnet and half. And combo.

[Mike Ferguson]

The combo. Let's go ahead and give our Patreon shout outs. We had Ben Whitaker.

[Mike Gibson]

Hey, Ben.

[Mike Ferguson]

Nobody.

[Mike Gibson]

Well, thanks. Nobody.

[Mike Ferguson]

Kaylee, what's going on?

[Mike Gibson]

Kaylee?

[Mike Ferguson]

Kiki Barwick.

[Mike Gibson]

Oh, hi, Kiki.

[Mike Ferguson]

Katherine Montanez.

[Mike Gibson]

Montanez.

[Mike Ferguson]

Andrew McNaughton.

[Mike Gibson]

Don't be. McNaughton.

[Mike Ferguson]

Deborah Mitchell.

[Mike Gibson]

Hey, Deborah.

[Mike Ferguson]

And last but not least, Nicole Fleming.

[Mike Gibson]

I feel like Secret Agent Fleming there.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, it always cranks me up when you crack yourself up.

[Mike Gibson]

I know.

[Mike Ferguson]

That's one of the funnier things to me. And then if we go back into the vault, this week, we selected Christina Weitz.

[Mike Gibson]

Hey, thanks, Christina.

[Mike Ferguson]

So we appreciate all the Patreon support, the new support, the continued support. Speaking of Patreon, we dropped a brand new Patreon only episode Saturday night. It's on Chelsea Perkins, a Coast Guard veteran who plotted a revenge killing against her ex boyfriend. So if you're not signed up for Patreon, now's a great time. Go check it out. And then we have a new unsolved episode out that's on Tracy Kegley. She went out to run errands with her daughter, and then the following day, her vehicle was found on the side of the road with her daughter inside. But Tracy was nowhere to be found.

[Mike Gibson]

That's fascinating.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, it. It's a. A very interesting case.

[Mike Gibson]

Yes.

[Mike Ferguson]

And then I want to preview Thursday's TCAT episode. It's on Egypt Covington, an aspiring singer who was murdered inside her home in Bellevue, Michigan. All right, buddy. Are you ready to get into this episode of True Crime all the Time?

[Mike Gibson]

I am ready.

[Mike Ferguson]

We're talking about Veronica Boza. Veronica, a devoted mother with a successful career as a television producer, was shot to death inside her home in August 2010. Her estranged husband Tim provided what was a seemingly airtight alibi. But investigators soon found suspicious activity on his phone records. And it's always the estranged ex husband.

[Mike Gibson]

It is on the radar right away.

[Mike Ferguson]

Veronica Boza was born on March 31, 1971 in Milan, Italy. Veronica attended university in Italy and majored in psychology. And I know you've spent a lot of time in Milan for fashion week there doing your Runway type stuff.

[Mike Gibson]

Well, I'm trying to get that new Gibby line out there. Has it been smooth?

[Voicemail Callers]

But.

[Mike Ferguson]

Well, it's mostly fishnet and I think that is a one of the big downsides.

[Mike Gibson]

It's been a problem, especially on the menswear, the underwear part. You know, it's really not holding things where they should be held. But we are working on that, trying to go with a tighter knit. So more to come on.

[Mike Ferguson]

Let's see how that goes. At the age of 23, Veronica moved to the US to pursue her dream of working as a TV producer. In 1994, she married Tim Boza, who was self employed and remodeled homes in the Nashville area. They settled In Hermitage, about 20 minutes outside the city. And you and I love Nashville. We've been there a couple of times from. For Crimecon. I've been there a bunch, just with my family and stuff. It's a great city.

[Mike Gibson]

It is. You've been down there a few times doing open mic night with your guitar. Sure.

[Voicemail Callers]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

You never know who might be in the audience.

[Mike Gibson]

That's true.

[Mike Ferguson]

Veronica also attended Vol State Community College as a communications major. Their son was born seven years later. And it was said that, you know, Veronica had always wanted a family and she absolutely loved being a mother. And she did develop a successful career as a TV producer. She was well liked and respected by her colleagues and she was known for being a kind person who always helped others. Veronica and Tim's marriage became strange in the last year and a half before her death, in part due to financial problems. Tim was going through a rough period with his business while Veronica's career was taking off.

[Mike Gibson]

Sometimes you get that animosity.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mike Gibson]

Because you know, you're like, she's doing good. Instead of being like happy, right? Oh, that's awesome, babe.

[Voicemail Callers]

You're.

[Mike Gibson]

You're doing everything you want. And it's really helping us right now because my stuff's not really doing what I was hoping it would do, but

[Mike Ferguson]

there are some men who can't handle that.

[Mike Gibson]

That's true.

[Mike Ferguson]

I am 100% okay. With it.

[Mike Gibson]

Yeah. You know, get out of the park, please.

[Mike Ferguson]

If my wife wants to make millions of dollars, you know, pour it on. Now, she's a public school teacher, so that is unlikely to happen.

[Mike Gibson]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah.

[Mike Gibson]

But, hey, I like the. Like, how you're thinking and how you are positive about that kind of stuff.

[Mike Ferguson]

You know, I'm. I'm secure because I'm gonna benefit. And that's the. The one thing I guess I never understood about some of these guys who. It's like a blow to their ego because. Okay. Now all of a sudden, their wife is making more money. Like, hey, that's just more for all of us to go around.

[Mike Gibson]

Yeah. You and I used to work with a guy that had a. His wife was very successful.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yes.

[Mike Gibson]

And he. He was very open about. He loved just piggybacking on that, you

[Mike Ferguson]

know, hey, you know, do what you gotta do. Veronica filed for divorce in 2009. She and Tim argued often about money and custody of their son. They eventually reached an agreement on the division of assets, but they weren't able to resolve their custody issues. And we. You know, you and I talk about divorce a lot. Some divorces can be, you know, pretty amicable.

[Voicemail Callers]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

Some can be just downright nasty, like War of the Roses type situation.

[Mike Gibson]

Yeah, the original War of the Roses, like, nasty, not. The remake was not nasty.

[Mike Ferguson]

Oh, there was a remake.

[Mike Gibson]

Yeah, it was. It wasn't the same.

[Mike Ferguson]

I didn't know that.

[Mike Gibson]

Yeah. Had that. Cumberbatch. Benjamin Cumberbatch.

[Mike Ferguson]

Why would you even try to say his name? You know it's not going to come out. You are setting yourself up for failure. Benedict Cumberbatch.

[Mike Gibson]

Yeah, that guy right there.

[Mike Ferguson]

According to State vs. Boza, they were each given 182 and a half days with their son, but the schedule gave Veronica more time with them. The child support also required Veronica to pay more than she would have paid under an equal custody arrangement.

[Mike Gibson]

You know, a lot of people at home right now are doing that math. 182.5 plus 182.5.

[Mike Ferguson]

What is it there, Rain Man?

[Mike Gibson]

Don't worry. The math is right. 3, 6, 5.

[Mike Ferguson]

Tim was worried Veronica would move out of state and that the parenting plan would provide a basis for her moving without the court's permission. She had expressed her desire to remain in Nashville for her son's benefit and in an effort to alleviate Tim's concerns, offered to pay the transportation costs and Tim's attorney's fees if she attempted to relocate.

[Mike Gibson]

Nothing like saying, hey, I'm making More money than you, buddy.

[Mike Ferguson]

So don't worry about it. I'll pay for it. Yeah, if it ever comes down to it. But it doesn't sound like she had any real desires to. To relocate.

[Mike Gibson]

I think she just wanted in there as a, you know, just in case

[Mike Ferguson]

and to make him feel better. Yeah, maybe. Because he obviously was worried about it. Veronica was shot to death inside her home on August 29, 2010. Earlier that day, Veronica and her son attended church together. Afterwards, she met Tim in the church parking lot to exchange custody, which was their normal routine. On Sundays, Veronica returned home alone. And I've mentioned it before, but, you know, my parents got divorced when I was pretty young. Five, I think, or six, something like that. And I can remember it seemed like more often than not, the exchanges happened at a McDonald's.

[Mike Gibson]

Oh, yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

I don't know why, but that was their preferred location. And a lot of times, you know, if my mom dropped me off and my dad took me, we'd go in and eat, you know, at McDonald's, so before we went back home.

[Mike Gibson]

So it benefited you?

[Mike Ferguson]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mike Gibson]

Hey, can I get a McFlurry?

[Voicemail Callers]

Dad.

[Mike Ferguson]

They did not have McFlurries when I was six, seven years old. That is a relatively new concept. Veronica was found at 12:30pm by her boyfriend, Brian Robinson. Brian called 911 to report that Veronica was on the living room floor in a pool of blood. She was shot at least four times. Two times in the head, once in the right shoulder and once in the mid back. There were signs of a struggle. There was gunshot residue on Veronica's body and I think on her hands, Gibbs, because it indicated that she tried to grab the gun. The curtains were pulled down and some chairs had been moved around.

[Mike Gibson]

So she was a fighter.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, and obviously that would have been a harrowing situation that nobody would ever want to find themselves in. But I think you're right. She was going after that gun to try to save herself. The killer had taken the murder weapon and all but one shell casing. And I found this very interesting because, okay, if somebody's going to take the time to gather up shell casings, well, they know a little bit about, you know, forensics and things like that. So the one being left behind, what, they just miss it?

[Mike Gibson]

I mean, you would think that got to be the reason. Or were they like, you know what? I'm going to leave this one. Let's see how good these police and detectives are.

[Mike Ferguson]

Well, I'm pretty sure they would all tell the same story. So My thought is the killer must have missed it. Right. Maybe they didn't realize how many shots they fired or how many casings they had to pick up.

[Mike Gibson]

Maybe felt a sense of urgency to get out of there as well.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, that could be. That could be. And maybe it rolled under something. Who knows? Brian told police he came to the house that day because he and Veronica had plans to go out. Upon his arrival, he found the garage door open. Veronica's car was inside, and the door to the home was wide open. He walked in and found her body.

[Mike Gibson]

I mean, we've said it before on other episodes, but how rough would that be?

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, it's going to be one of the worst days of your life. I also can imagine kind of, you know, getting to the house. Okay, the garage door is open. Maybe that's not the biggest deal. Sometimes people leave their garage doors open. Sometimes they just forget to shut it. But then when you see that the door leading into the house is open, that's just, to me, strange. Most people don't do that. Brian was considered a suspect, and he is the current boyfriend. So that doesn't surprise me at all. Right. Police have to rule out all possibilities. And like we always talk about, they start kind of from the center and work their way out. So you've got Brian, the current boyfriend. Obviously, you have the estranged husband, Right? Exactly. At the crime scene, investigators discovered that Veronica was a victim of a random mugging and robbery months earlier. She had a letter from the state informing her that the subject who was arrested was going to be released on parole.

[Mike Gibson]

Well, that would be alarming.

[Mike Ferguson]

That would be very alarming considering the fact that this just happened a few months earlier and this guy's already getting out. But I think from the standpoint of the police. All right, now we got to look at this guy.

[Mike Gibson]

Absolutely.

[Mike Ferguson]

Because he may or may not have been out at the time that the murder occurred. So police had to investigate this individual. However, records showed he was in jail that day. And we talk a lot about alibis. Right. Some are okay. Not very good at all. I was home by myself all night. Nobody can corroborate that. You've got mom is vouching for me. That type of alibi or a significant other or something like that. Those can go a couple of different ways because people have a vested interest in not wanting to see that person go to jail. You know, the one that is pretty airtight is you were in jail or in prison.

[Mike Gibson]

Kind of hard to debate that one.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, I think they have pretty good records.

[Mike Gibson]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

Of, of where you are if you're a prisoner and if you were there the entire day that someone was killed, I think you're going to be scratching off the list pretty quickly.

[Mike Gibson]

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[Mike Ferguson]

rent a hitman like the episode we did a while back.

[Mike Gibson]

But reninalby.com you know, we have people that will come and sit in your home quietly for the entire day for a low, low fee.

[Mike Ferguson]

And when you say people, it's just you. You're running the whole thing by yourself.

[Mike Gibson]

Wait for it to take off. You know, once it takes off then I can start incorporating more people.

[Mike Ferguson]

You know, the fact that you sit around someone's house all day wearing their ankle monitor is less than ethical legal. I mean you're really blurring the lines there.

[Mike Gibson]

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[Mike Ferguson]

Well what are they buying? You have some big infrastructure.

[Mike Gibson]

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[Mike Ferguson]

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[Mike Ferguson]

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[Mike Ferguson]

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[Mike Gibson]

That's a very small window.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, 12 minutes is, is not a lot of time. Now you can get quite a bit done in 12 minutes. But as far as narrowing down where somebody was or their alibi, you know.

[Mike Gibson]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

It doesn't give a lot of leeway.

[Mike Gibson]

No.

[Mike Ferguson]

Brian arrived at Veronica's house around 12:25 or 12:30. He called 911 at 12:30. And I thought this was a very, you know, interesting piece of the timeline. You know, they believe she was dead by 12:20.

[Mike Gibson]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

Then Brian shows up five minutes or 10 minutes later. By 12:30, he's calling 91 1.

[Mike Gibson]

So, I mean, let's just say he shows up at 12:25. Maybe if he had nothing to do with it. That's the reason why the individual didn't get the other casing, because he didn't have the. That person didn't have the time to search for it because they. Maybe they heard the car pull up. Maybe they saw headlights.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, that's a good theory, but police found it hard to believe Brian could have arrived so quickly after she was killed without spotting the person responsible fleeing the area. So he was taken in for further questioning. And like I said earlier. Right. How could he not be? He's got to be eliminated. He's the current boyfriend and he's the

[Mike Gibson]

one that found her.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah. He's got kind of a double whammy against him because he's the current boyfriend and he found the body, and both of those people are normally looked at. He just happens to be both.

[Mike Gibson]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

He described how he and Veronica met through work and had only been dating for a few months. They were supposed to go on a weekend trip together. Investigators noted that Brian only checked for a pulse after he called 911 and the dispatcher asked if Veronica was breathing. He also washed his hands before police arrived, so. Okay. A couple of things that possibly, you know, could be suspicious or at least to police. They're going to think maybe that's suspicious. Yeah. The one thing that jumps out at me about Brian or most boyfriends is what's the motive?

[Voicemail Callers]

Right?

[Mike Ferguson]

Especially if you've only been dating for a few months, what is the motive to kill your girlfriend? It can't be financial. You don't have anything monetarily invested in this relationship. It's so new. And both parties can walk away anytime they want without really any ramifications.

[Mike Gibson]

Unless one of the parties doesn't want to walk away. Like you can't. You know, we've heard it before. You're not going to leave me.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, I get that. And there could be the kind of snap situation. Right. That could happen. Brian maintained his innocence, and when asked If Veronica had disagreements with anyone he named Tim, he mentioned they were involved in a contentious divorce and custody battle. Brian said about the divorce. When Veronica refused to submit to him, to it just being a split, he then attempted to tarnish her as a mother. Brian said he and Veronica were worried that Tim was capable of bad things. Brian had been keeping an eye out for months. He explained that he always felt like maybe he was the kind of guy who was going to have somebody there, like surveillance or something like that.

[Mike Gibson]

Just felt like he had eyes on them all the time, or he was

[Mike Ferguson]

the type of guy who would do that.

[Mike Gibson]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

Now I think you could say, okay, maybe Brian's a little paranoid, or maybe he is, but rightfully so.

[Mike Gibson]

Yeah, it sounds like maybe it could. Could have been justified.

[Mike Ferguson]

Investigators learned Tim and Veronica were just weeks away from finalizing their divorce. Police traveled to Tim's home to notify him of Veronica's death, and it was noted that he didn't seem particularly upset. And this is something that gets analyzed all the time. Right. How does someone react in a certain situation? I get it. They're not in the best place.

[Mike Gibson]

Right.

[Mike Ferguson]

They're going through this pretentious divorce. But she's also the mother of your child.

[Mike Gibson]

Right.

[Mike Ferguson]

And she was the love of your life at one point. I just don't know how you can't have feelings upon learning that this woman

[Mike Gibson]

is dead unless you really hated her.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah. And some people do. I mean, divorces can go real.

[Mike Gibson]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

Tim was brought in for questioning and talked about Veronica's affair with Brian Robinson. He explained that he noticed she was acting weird and admitted to the relationship. They tried therapy, but it didn't work, and he eventually moved out. However, he never really wanted to get divorced. Besides the divorce, another potential motive was Veronica's $550,000 life insurance policy. Veronica and Tim were both under court order to maintain at least a $350,000 policy. Once the divorce was finalized, Tim would no longer be the beneficiary, which he admitted in his interview.

[Mike Gibson]

That would definitely be potential motive.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, he's got a couple of things right going against him, at least when it comes to motive. You have the contentious divorce. You've got the custody issues. Now he would have benefited to the tune of over half a million dollars. Yeah, that's. That's quite a bit of money. And not only that, but, you know, time is running out for him, because here, very soon, he's no longer going to be the beneficiary. And I think you have to take that into account as well.

[Mike Gibson]

So if you want to benefit from that, you better act.

[Mike Ferguson]

Investigators later learned that Tim filed an insurance claim just three days after Veronica was killed. I know. It's.

[Mike Gibson]

It's the right of the person that's the benefactor, right?

[Mike Ferguson]

Sure.

[Mike Gibson]

Whenever. I always just find it strange when they file so quickly on cases like this.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah. Do you not realize that it's not going to make you look great? You've already talked to police? Probably.

[Voicemail Callers]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

You have to know that you're gonna be at least on their radar. You know, maybe you let it lay for a little while.

[Mike Gibson]

Maybe just allow the police to do what they need to do and hopefully find the killer before you worry about getting your half million plus dollars or

[Mike Ferguson]

worry more about being there for your son.

[Mike Gibson]

That's very true.

[Mike Ferguson]

Because, you know, he's lost his mother and it's going to be really hard on him. But Tim maintained his innocence. He said that he last saw Veronica in the church parking lot when she dropped their son off. He went to a hardware store and grocery store near his home, and there was surveillance footage and receipts to support his story. Brian Robinson also had an alibi, Supported by surveillance footage. Police spoke to Veronica's neighbors in hopes of getting more information. One neighbor said they saw a light colored SUV parked in a nearby alley before the murder. And then later, afterwards, it was gone. Veronica's purse was found in her car, but her cell phone was missing. Cell records showed that the phone left her home, but the trail stopped, Suggesting that the phone was turned off or the battery died.

[Mike Gibson]

So whoever killed her wanted her phone.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah. And you wonder why. Is it because possibly there was some communication on the phone that the killer thought could potentially lead back to them? Now, what communication would it be that the police ultimately wouldn't be able to get?

[Mike Gibson]

Exactly.

[Mike Ferguson]

I mean, they can get records of

[Mike Gibson]

texts and all that, but maybe this person didn't realize that.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, it's possible. But we're also talking about an individual who. Who tried to make sure they took the shell casings with them. So that's true. They at least had some smarts or had watched some movies or TV shows. Enough to know that that's something that could possibly sink them. Tim's phone record showed he made numerous calls to one number before and after he and Veronica met to exchange their son. That number belonged to his friend, Corey Cotham. Corey and Tim had known each other for several years. Corey had been living away from the Nashville area, but in April 2010, he contacted Tim and began working for him. They Also socialized together. Corey had a criminal record that included terrorizing and assaulting women.

[Mike Gibson]

So not a nice guy.

[Mike Ferguson]

Apparently not the women.

[Mike Gibson]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

Corey. Cell phone records indicated that his phone was traveling in the same direction as Veronica's before she was killed. His phone also left the crime scene on the same route and at the same time as Veronica's phone.

[Mike Gibson]

Coincidence?

[Mike Ferguson]

I think not. I also think that you still have trouble saying coincidence.

[Mike Gibson]

I think I said it perfectly.

[Mike Ferguson]

But here's the thing, right? If this guy turns out to be the killer, and he had enough sense to try to take his shell casings and he had enough sense to, you know, either turn off her phone or take the battery out or whatever, why didn't he have enough sense to think that his phone was going to be tracked? And maybe that's because he never thought police would tie him to the murder or to Tim.

[Mike Gibson]

Yeah, I mean, that's probably what it was if he's a person that did this.

[Mike Ferguson]

But no doubt, right? He became the prime suspect. And how can you not be when your cell essentially is following the same route as the victim both before and after the murder?

[Mike Gibson]

Yeah, it doesn't look good.

[Mike Ferguson]

On August 30, Corey was questioned under the guise of helping clear Tim's name. He didn't want to come into the station, but agreed to an interview in a parking lot. He explained that he called Tim the morning before to talk about their weekend and Tim's new girl. He called Tim a second time, and they talked until Tim picked his son up. He texted Tim again on August 30th to tell him he would be late to work, and Tim replied there was no work because of what happened to Veronica. And according to him, this was how Corey found out about the murder. He called Tim after receiving this text. In regards to his alibi, Corey claimed he visited a couple of his girlfriends at different locations that were not near Veronica's house.

[Mike Gibson]

Couple of girlfriends?

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah. He's a real lothario.

[Mike Gibson]

Oh, nice.

[Mike Ferguson]

Or he's just trying to, you know, make himself look more impressive than what he really is.

[Mike Gibson]

Yeah, that's true.

[Mike Ferguson]

He was asked how investigators could best reach him. Corey said he typically had his phone with him at all times, Further incriminating himself. He was then confronted with the fact that his cell phone record showed Showed he was in Veronica's neighborhood when he called Tim around 12:20pm Corey became irate and denied any involvement in the murder. And this is where, you know, police and detectives can get pretty tricky. They have a piece of evidence that they're not disclosing up front. Before they do that, they want to lock the person into certain statements. And in this case, they asked Corey what he did that day, where he was, all the while knowing that they had his phone records.

[Voicemail Callers]

Yeah.

[Mike Gibson]

They did a good job boxing him in.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah. Police obtained a warrant to seize Corey's car and phone. His vehicle matched the description of the car seen near Veronica's house on the day of the murder. And investigators found gloves, clothing, a red lunchbox and a blue towel in the car. But they were forced to release Corey due to a lack of evidence. And that might shock a lot of people, but let's look at what the evidence really was. Okay. I mean, the cell phone records are damning, but they're not proof of murder.

[Mike Gibson]

Nope.

[Mike Ferguson]

The fact that his car matches a car that a neighbor said they saw before and after the murder or it was gone after the murder. Okay. Doesn't make him look great. But it's not evidence of murder.

[Mike Gibson]

Yes. Not enough to hold somebody.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah. Or bring a charge or anything like that. DNA testing showed that a mixture of DNA from three individuals was found on the blue towel taken from Corey's car. One test excluded Tim Boza and Brian Robinson, but not Veronica and Corey. Testing at another facility determined Corey was the major contributor, but could not exclude Veronica and Bryan as minor contributors. I think this is where, you know, DNA can get kind of fuzzy.

[Mike Gibson]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

Frustrating at times. You know, it's not always that kind of one in four quadrillion.

[Mike Gibson]

Right.

[Mike Ferguson]

That we talk about when you have major and minor contributors and a mixture of DNA. All right. Things get a little muddy. The waters do. Investigators looked into everyone Corey spoke to on the day of the murder. For example, at 12:28pm he called someone who said he used to live across from Corey. He cleaned a 9 millimeter gun from for Corey a couple of weeks prior. The witness recalled that Corey took the gun out of a red lunchbox. Again, one of the items that was found in his vehicle.

[Mike Gibson]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

Also, I don't know why you need somebody else to clean your gun for you. They're not hard to clean.

[Mike Gibson]

I was wondering the same thing. Is it that difficult to clean a pistol?

[Mike Ferguson]

No, it's really not. Police also talked to Corey's girlfriend, Jennifer Addington, who went by the nickname Jenny. Jenny initially supported Corey's alibi.

[Mike Gibson]

Wait a minute. Are you telling me that Jennifer had the nickname of Jenny?

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah. Shocking, isn't it?

[Mike Gibson]

It really is. I wonder if her telephone number was 1-800-were-86753,09 exactly.

[Mike Ferguson]

He started out with 1,800. It does make me sound kind of stupid to say she went by the nickname Jenny, but I get it. Thanks for not actually calling me that, but pointing it out in a much more subtle way.

[Mike Gibson]

Well, hey, you redeemed yourself when you gave out the correct number versus my 1, 800.

[Mike Ferguson]

So she, you know, she's backing up his alibi initially. But then on September 11, she reached out again and said she wanted to tell the truth. She had previously said Corey was at her house around 12 to 12:30pm on the day of the murder. But now she admitted she wasn't sure what time he was there. She slept most of the morning because she had been working the night before. Corey was there when she woke up later in the afternoon. So it sounds to me like she might have been asleep during that period of time. And Corey said, hey, I was here. But she corroborated his alibi without really being able to.

[Mike Gibson]

Maybe she learned that he told the police that, hey, I was over that in that area because I was visiting some of my girlfriends. And she's like, I'll correct that right now.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, that's probably not what you want to say to keep your girlfriend on your side, the person who is corroborating your alibi.

[Mike Gibson]

Right.

[Mike Ferguson]

Ginny also admitted that she stole her ex husband Jeffrey Walters handgun and put it in a red lunchbox. She decided she was going to sneak the gun back into her ex husband's home, but it was missing. Corey was the only one who knew about it. Jeffrey Walters confirmed his gun was missing and allowed police to compare his shell casings to the one found at the scene. And it was a match.

[Mike Gibson]

Luckily that he had some casings.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, it is, because I don't know how many people saved their casings. Now if you reload your own ammo and maybe he did that, that would be a reason why a lot of people would, would save their casings. Jenny then informed the police that Corey was planning to leave the country. She was asked to come to the station and wear a wire while she placed a call to Corey. She told him she was worried police were going to arrest her because the handgun she took was linked to the homicide. Corey replied, they're saying it's a nine millimeter. They can get nine millimeter bullets anywhere. That don't matter. So that's stupid. The problem is the caliber of the gun was not public knowledge at the time. Corey also told Jenny she needed to contact Tim, suggesting he was involved in the murder. After All. So there's a couple of things here. You know, number one, Jenny, I think at a certain point probably has to go into self preservation mode because she did actually steal this gun from her ex husband.

[Mike Gibson]

Right.

[Mike Ferguson]

And so whether she lied about the alibi or she just confirmed it even though technically she was asleep, the gun thing, okay, that's going to get you in trouble. Number one, it's theft. But then secondly, it's used in a murder. And then for me, the other thing is Corey just can't keep his damn mouth shut.

[Mike Gibson]

He cannot.

[Mike Ferguson]

But that's often why, you know, police want people to wear a wire or record their phone calls and have them call the person you think you're talking to. Someone you can trust.

[Mike Gibson]

He's just randomly saying stuff like it's a 9 millimeter, that they're saying you can get those anywhere.

[Mike Ferguson]

Well, which you can. 9 millimeter is a very common ammo right here in the U.S. but when police haven't made it public that Veronica was killed by a nine millimeter, okay, that doesn't make you look good. And that's on top of the fact that. And Corey might not have known this, but they have a shell casing that they can actually match to a specific gun.

[Mike Gibson]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

On September 21, 2010, the Nashville Metropolitan Police Department announced the arrests of Tim Boza and Corey Coppa. Both were charged with first degree murder. Corey refused to talk to police, and that's probably a good idea because he had already messed himself up on numerous occasions.

[Mike Gibson]

That's very true.

[Mike Ferguson]

Tim was questioned on September 28, 2010. At first, he denied any involvement in the murder or prior knowledge of Corey's actions. He took a break to consult with his attorney and then denied that he hired Corey to kill Veronica, but admitted they had conversations that were, quote, still kind of suggesting.

[Mike Gibson]

Oh, suggestive.

[Mike Ferguson]

But Tim admitted that they had talked about a crisscross murder plot to kill the troublesome person in the other's life. Corey was supposed to kill Veronica, and Tim was supposed to kill the ex husband of one of Corey's girlfriends.

[Mike Gibson]

Oh, is this like the Stranger on the Train?

[Mike Ferguson]

It is. Or Throw Mama from the Train.

[Mike Gibson]

Or Throw Mama from the Train, which is my favorite. I know it's one of your most favorites.

[Mike Ferguson]

And you know, Tim did say that the plot was Inspired by the 1987 movie Throw Mama from the Train.

[Mike Gibson]

Of course. Your favorite movie.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah.

[Mike Gibson]

Take credit.

[Mike Ferguson]

You know, that's the one with Danny DeVito, his character agreeing to kill Billy Crystal's ex wife over authorship of a Book in exchange for Crystal killing DeVito's mother. Tim admitted the idea came from this movie and said Corey offered him $10,000 to commit murder. He thought it was a joking conversation. Now, I'm sure that people have joked about this idea. I truly believe that. Yeah, they don't mean it. They're just joking. Hey, you kill this person's causing me trouble. I'll kill this person who's causing you trouble. But we're never really going to do it. We're just messing around. I don't think it's a great thing to mess around about, but, no, I'm sure there are people who have done it over the years.

[Mike Gibson]

To just be clear, we have never done that ever. For the record.

[Mike Ferguson]

For the record, yeah. For whoever's listening.

[Mike Gibson]

Exactly.

[Mike Ferguson]

According to Tim, Corey knew where to find Veronica on August 29th because he previously pointed out the church in school to him. He told Corey that morning he was going to pick up his child. He didn't see Corey when he was picking up his child, but he saw him earlier that morning. They talked about Corey's girlfriends and the fact that Corey was driving his girlfriend's van. Tim admitted that when he saw Corey, he had a feeling about what was about to happen, but also thought Corey wouldn't follow through with it because Corey had followed Veronica before and had not harmed her. He denied needing to know when the murder was going to take place so he could establish an alibi.

[Mike Gibson]

All right.

[Mike Ferguson]

Tim is not making himself look good here either.

[Mike Gibson]

Not at all.

[Mike Ferguson]

Now he is trying to cast more of the guilt on Corey. Yeah, we were joking around about this, and I never took it seriously, but it seems like he might have followed through with it.

[Mike Gibson]

He also never said, oh, when I did see Corey, I said, hey, Corey, we were joking. You know that, right? Don't. Don't do anything. I hope you're not planning on doing anything, because I don't want you to.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, but there's a. Yeah, there's a couple things that he says here. Like he knew Corey had followed Veronica before. Okay. At that point, if you know that, do you not step in and say, hey, I do not want you to kill this woman?

[Mike Gibson]

Right.

[Mike Ferguson]

He doesn't say anything about that.

[Mike Gibson]

Because you'd have to ask yourself, why are you following her?

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah. Tim noted that about a week before the September 28th interview, Corey came to his house asking for $35,000. Tim said he would not receive any money while there were unresolved questions about Veronica's death. And we talked earlier about why he would need to file the life insurance claim so quickly? Well, if he owes somebody $35,000 for committing the murder, that might be one reason why.

[Mike Gibson]

I would think so.

[Mike Ferguson]

Tim also talked about his marriage to Veronica. He said she meant everything to him and he loved her, but nothing he did was good enough for her. When he caught her having an affair, she told him the courts would be on her side. He would get nothing, and he would never see their son. He admitted he wanted something to happen to Veronica so he could be with his son, but he didn't want someone to kill her. Referring to an alleged marital impropriety, he said that if he had been able to kill someone, he would have killed Veronica the second time he discovered she was having an affair. Again, I don't know why these are things that you're revealing.

[Mike Gibson]

Yes, you should probably think about what's coming out of your mouth.

[Mike Ferguson]

Also, he wanted something to happen to Veronica so he could be with his son, but he didn't want someone to kill her. Well, what is something that could happen to her that would cause her not to be able to see her son and the custody would go to Tim.

[Voicemail Callers]

Yeah.

[Mike Gibson]

I mean, it could only be if

[Mike Ferguson]

she died or she's in horrific accident. I just don't understand what he's saying or why he thinks this is making him look better in the eyes of the authorities. And also, he's saying, if I wanted to kill her, I would have killed her the second time I discovered she was having an affair. Well, but you didn't kill her in this police scenario. Right? You hired somebody else to kill her. So I don't know how that plays either. He did say that he just wanted to move on with his life like Veronica had. Tim gave a second statement on November 2, 2010. Once again, he acknowledged that the conversation about the crisscross murder for hire plot was in jest. Corey mentioned it again a couple days later and offered Tim $10,000 to kill a man. Tim said he couldn't do it. He told Corey he wished Veronica would get hit by a bus, run over by a drunk driver, or would move to California. Corey later told him he followed Veronica.

[Mike Gibson]

It sounds like he still wanted some pretty nasty stuff to happen Veronica, though.

[Mike Ferguson]

Well, it goes back to the whole point of how is he going to get full custody of his son unless something really bad happens to her? Tim gave a third statement on November 16th because he hadn't been truthful during his last interview. Well, that's a real shocker.

[Mike Gibson]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

He said when he And Corey first talked about the Crisscross murder from the movie. They were both having a bad day. Corey brought it up again a couple of days later and at that point, seemed more serious about it. Tim said he couldn't kill anyone. Corey offered him 10,000. Tim said that sounded good to him, and he agreed to give Corey $10,000 as well.

[Mike Gibson]

Well, that's a big change.

[Mike Ferguson]

Well, yeah, he's still saying I can't kill anyone, but that $10,000 does sound pretty good. Tim and Veronica continued to have disagreements about the divorce. Meanwhile, Corey wanted to establish a routine of following her. Tim didn't disagree with this and said that he just kind of left the idea there in place.

[Mike Gibson]

I was also just thinking, if tim gives Corey 10 and Corey gives him 10, why even give each other money at all?

[Mike Ferguson]

Just keep. Just keep your money. And, yeah, it does seem to cancel out. On the day of the murder, Tim talked to Corey, and Corey said he was nearby and. And that he could see him across the street. A short time after Tim picked up his son, Corey called and told him it was done. Right. So this is like his third interview. Right. And he's really kind of morphed some things, as people often do, from interview to interview, story to story. Now, some of the stuff is kind of the same in all of the statements, but there. There are definitely some nuances in them. But this revelation here that Corey called him and told him it was done, I mean, that's a. That's a pretty specific confession. Now, I still think Tim is trying to lessen his role.

[Mike Gibson]

Sure he is.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, we talked about this. Crisscross. I told him I couldn't kill anybody. I just kind of left it hanging out there. He's saying all of these things to make it seem as though Corey just took it upon himself to murder Veronica, let's say, in the hopes that Tim would come around and do his part. It just doesn't seem all that believable.

[Voicemail Callers]

No.

[Mike Gibson]

And if Tim really didn't have anything to do with it, why wouldn't he have just called the authorities right then and said, hey, I think this buddy of mine killed my wife?

[Mike Ferguson]

Well, that's a great point. You know, if. If you really thought that maybe you tried to get ahead of it.

[Mike Gibson]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

Corey came to Tim's house a couple of weeks later and asked for $35,000. He wanted more money because Veronica fought with him. Cory said he was going to get a new identity and leave. According to Tim, Corey wasn't aware of Veronica's insurance money. But he was aware of a loan Tim applied for. He would not have told Corey about the life insurance because he probably would have asked for more money. Yeah, if you're getting 550 grand, I want more than 10.

[Mike Gibson]

Yeah, I'm sure he'd want $100,000.

[Mike Ferguson]

Tim and Corey were tried separately and were both found guilty of murder. Corey was also convicted of especially aggravated. Now, most of the trial information comes from State vs. Boza. Prosecutors presented a theory of the crime. They believe that Corey went to the church on the morning of August 29th. The only person who could have told him Veronica would be there was Tim. While Tim ran errands, Corey followed Veronica home. Corey pulled in behind her and approached her with wearing a mask and gloves. Veronica ran inside. Corey followed her. A struggle ensued and Corey shot her. Corey's former girlfriend Jenny testified that she worked in Alabama on the night of August 28th and got back to Nashville around 9:30am on the 29th. She went to sleep and woke up to find Corey leaning over her. She always kept her handbag containing the key to her van and in bed with her because of her roommates. It was possible Corey took her key, but she didn't know for sure if he drove her van while she slept.

[Mike Gibson]

How rough is it when you have to take your own keys to bed

[Mike Ferguson]

with you for fear that your roommates are gonna steal your van? Yeah, maybe you should get some different roommates.

[Mike Gibson]

That's what I was thinking.

[Mike Ferguson]

Jenny woke up in the mid afternoon. She and Corey went out for an early dinner. On the way to the restaurant, Corey stopped in a parking lot by a Catholic church and school. Corey said he didn't know why they went that way and then turned around. She also testified that at Corey's urging, she stole a 9 millimeter handgun from her ex husband on July 17th or 18th, 2010. Corey told her to take it to stop her husband from using it on her. He didn't ask her to give him the gun. She put it in a red lunchbox in her van and noticed that it was missing. On July 27, Corey had unloaded groceries from the back of her van on multiple occasions.

[Mike Gibson]

So easy access to it.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, and you know, was he playing her all along? Hey, you need to steal this gun before your ex uses it on you. All the while knowing that he's going to use this to commit a murder.

[Voicemail Callers]

Right.

[Mike Ferguson]

Possibly without her knowledge. The jury also heard from Judge Philip Robinson, who previously represented Veronica in her divorce proceedings. Veronica notified him of two communications from Tim which she perceived as threats. On March 28, 2010, she emailed Robinson and said she and Tim had a heated discussion during their custody exchange about parenting time. Tim looked at her and said, be careful. It's coming.

[Mike Gibson]

Wow, that's damning.

[Mike Ferguson]

Well, what's coming? No, I think after someone is murdered, that statement is even more ominous. I think if somebody said that to me, I would take it as a threat, but I wouldn't know what the threat was because I don't know what is coming. But after someone's murdered, you can kind of put it in there as that's what was coming.

[Mike Gibson]

Exactly.

[Mike Ferguson]

This was before the hearing. After the hearing, she and Tim had a disagreement about his questioning her about their child's babysitter. She tried to explain how she perceived his questions, and Tim said he could not speak to her and accused her of not focusing on their child. He said it would take a simple phone call to end the nonsense. She asked Tim if he was threatening her, and he continued yelling, so she hung up on him. A simple phone call to end the nonsense. I mean, this is pretty vague stuff. It is, but again, most people don't come out and say, I'm going to call my buddy who's going to kill you. They're not that stupid. Detective Chad Gish testified that although Corey's phone contained text messages to and from Tim before and after the murder, Tim's phone didn't contain any messages or call history. Corey's phone also contained photos of Tim and a photo of the gun.

[Mike Gibson]

So sounds like Tim deleted all the ones on his phone.

[Mike Ferguson]

Sounds like he wiped it. Yeah. In February 2012, Corey was sentenced to life without parole, plus 25 years. Tim was sentenced in October 2012. He won't be eligible for parole until he has served 51 years in prison.

[Mike Gibson]

Good.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, I'm good with both those. Tim Boza and Corey Cotham thought that they could get away with murder by following a movie plot. Tim believed he had covered his tracks by securing an alibi for himself, but he didn't account for incriminating phone records and cooperative witnesses who helped prove his involvement.

[Mike Gibson]

And he just wasn't good at telling

[Mike Ferguson]

the stories, and neither one of them were. And I think that's the downfall of many people. Right. You know, as we wrap this one up so many times in the episodes that we cover, people are just, you know, they're undone by the stories they tell because they often have to change those stories later on after being confronted with certain evidence. And it just becomes a real mess at that point.

[Mike Gibson]

What Happens when you lie.

[Mike Ferguson]

Well, like you always said.

[Voicemail Callers]

Right.

[Mike Ferguson]

When you're telling the truth, it's easy to keep the story straight because it just is what it is.

[Mike Gibson]

Exactly.

[Mike Ferguson]

When you're crafting this narrative that turns out to be false, it can be a lot harder than in sticking to it, because, number one, you made it up or you fabricated at least bits and pieces of it. And then, number two, once you're confronted with facts that completely disprove what you've been saying, well, now you got to pivot.

[Mike Gibson]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

And you got to come up with another lie. And is that going to stand up? You know, just. It never works out well for these people.

[Mike Gibson]

You could only pivot so many times anyway.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah. It's just. It's hard to believe that, you know, Tim didn't know what was going to happen. You take these threats that he had made to Veronica. You know, I get it. Defendants are always trying to lessen their involvement, especially when there's another person involved. Anytime you can switch the level of involvement or sway it more towards the other person, I guess the better for you. But to me, it's just so unbelievable that he thought, well, we had this conversation about, you know, each killing the other's problem person in their lives. But, yeah, I never thought he would go through with it, even though I knew he was following her. Just stuff like that, it makes it nonsensical at a certain point.

[Mike Gibson]

Really does.

[Mike Ferguson]

And I believe the jury saw it that way, too.

[Mike Gibson]

I just. I feel bad, obviously, for the son.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, absolutely. Because he lost his mother, he lost his father.

[Mike Gibson]

Yeah.

[Mike Ferguson]

And that's the other thing that in these cases where whether it's a murder for custody or a murder for financial gain, when a child is involved, how does one parent not think that no matter how this thing shakes out, it is going to do irreparable damage to their child? Number one, one of the parents is going to be killed, and then there's a really good chance that you're going to be caught, which means the child's going to lose both parents.

[Mike Gibson]

Exactly.

[Mike Ferguson]

But if you're able to come to the decision that you could kill your spouse or ex or have that person killed, well, maybe you don't care all that much about what it does to your child.

[Mike Gibson]

Clearly, he didn't. He cared more about himself than his

[Mike Ferguson]

child, which is the problem with most people. Yep, it really is. But that's it for our episode on Veronica Boza. We got a couple of voicemails. You want to check those out?

[Mike Gibson]

Let's Hear them.

[Voicemail Callers]

Hey, guys, this is Mark calling from Oregon Team mc KB or Give Mickey or whatever. I love you both. You guys are awesome. I just listened to the episode about Patricia or. Because mostly I just watched an episode about that on FBI Files and I wanted to see the comparison between their view of it and your view of it. And it was. It was amazing. You guys did a great job. You covered, you matched every fact. There were no discrepancies, but it was. It was great to get a true crime aficionado. I guess I don't want to say fan, but view of it. And it was amazing. I just really appreciate the episode and I really love you guys. Keep doing what you're doing and keep your own time taken. Thanks.

[Mike Ferguson]

I appreciate the kudos very much. And we had a caller from Oregon who didn't talk about seeing people walking

[Mike Gibson]

around with swords, which is, you know,

[Mike Ferguson]

a plus nowadays and apparently unusual.

[Mike Gibson]

Yeah, no, but thanks. And you know, we do some consulting with the fbbi.

[Mike Ferguson]

The fpbi.

[Mike Gibson]

The fbby. I. Okay, that. That went south.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, you're gonna have to explain that acronym or acronym because I don't. I don't know what that is.

[Voicemail Callers]

Mike. Gibby, what's going on? Guys, this is Josh. It's my second voicemail. I left one back in January. I'm the one who had the appendectomy. And you guys had me laughing so hard I almost popped my stitches. Anyway, I have still have not caught up, but I am on Bruce MacArthur. I had to call and leave a voicemail because you guys were talking about poppers. Fergie kept saying he didn't know if he's ever done poppers. Listen, guys, as a gay man, I just wanted to let you know that's a almost exclusively gay drug. So I doubt you have ever done poppers, Fergie, but feel free to give it a try. They're not that bad. Anyway, love you guys. I'm Team Gibby. Just. I relate to Fergie more, but Gibby's just hilarious. So you guys keep up the good work, keep your head on a swivel, and keep your own time picking. Thanks, guys.

[Mike Ferguson]

All right. Love the voicemail. Yeah, don't. Don't believe I've ever done poppers. Did not know that that was almost, as he said, exclusively a gay person's drug. I did not know that.

[Mike Gibson]

Now you know.

[Mike Ferguson]

I just have heard poppers. Poppers don't really know what they are, to be honest with you.

[Mike Gibson]

Maybe we should look it up.

[Mike Ferguson]

Yeah, well, be careful because you might see some things you don't want to see. Depends.

[Mike Gibson]

Yeah. So. But like you said, now we know.

[Mike Ferguson]

So we love information.

[Mike Gibson]

We do. Knowledge is power.

[Mike Ferguson]

The question is always, will we remember it the next time this comes up? Sometimes we do, sometimes we don't.

[Mike Gibson]

You know, the answer for me is I will not. I forget things fairly frequently.

[Mike Ferguson]

I was also thinking, going back to the first voicemail, McGibby sounds like something new coming out of McDonald's.

[Mike Gibson]

You know, they should.

[Voicemail Callers]

The McGibby.

[Mike Gibson]

The McGibby.

[Mike Ferguson]

I think that'd be a big hit.

[Mike Gibson]

Would you go buy a McGibby at McDonald's?

[Mike Ferguson]

It depends on what it. What it is. Yeah, I think it would be a sandwich that's not real sure what it is. Doesn't know what's in it. Maybe has seen that mystery ingredient in something else, but can't remember the name of it.

[Mike Gibson]

Is it a. Is it a McRib? Is it a McChicken?

[Mike Ferguson]

We don't know. Maybe it's just an amalgamation of a bunch of different things.

[Mike Gibson]

It'd be a big hit.

[Mike Ferguson]

It would be a big hit. I like it. All right, buddy. That is it for another episode of True Crime all the Time. So for Mike Gibby, stay safe and keep your own time ticking.

[Voicemail Callers]

Sam.