0714 | Changes

Summary

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True Crime Bullsh**: The Israel Keyes Investigation

Season 7 Finale – Episode 0714 | Changes

Host: Josh Hallmark
Release Date: March 19, 2026

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Episode Overview

This season finale, titled “Changes,” is a deep reflection on the evolving and often ambiguous nature of the investigation into serial killer Israel Keyes. Host Josh Hallmark recounts the journey of the True Crime Bullsh** team as they grapple with shifting evidence, new leads, and the importance of allowing perspectives to change in the face of new information. The episode revisits a previously unreleased investigation in Arkansas, connecting it to Keyes' potential activities in the American South, and concludes by urging the necessity of remaining adaptive and open-minded in cold case work.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Evolving Nature of the Keyes Investigation

[01:41]

• Hallmark opens by emphasizing the ever-changing landscape of the investigation:

  "As time goes on and things change with and across the FBI, local law enforcement does and missing persons cases, we're constantly learning more about Israel Keyes. We receive new files, new tips, new info from HALA, new sightings, new points of contact and each one of those changes what we know and what we thought we knew."

• The podcast reflects the challenges and necessity of accepting uncertainty and being willing to change minds as new facts emerge.
• Hallmark recounts an episode from 18 months prior that never aired because its evidence felt too circumstantial, using this as a case study in responsible investigative standards.

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2. The Arkansas Tip: A Case Study in Uncertainty

[07:10]

• A detailed email from a listener in Arkansas describes two possible encounters with Israel Keyes between 2005 and 2008 at:
  • University of Arkansas Student Union
  • Lowe’s Home Improvement in Springdale, AR
• Notable details:
  • The distinctive laugh of the man she suspected was Keyes.
  • The Lowe’s customer purchased a bucket, concrete, and used a contractor discount.
  • Links to Beaver Lake, where bodies with “homemade concrete weights” were reportedly recovered.
  • Proximity to Highway 412, which has longstanding ties to unsolved cases (the “NamUs 45” missing girls) previously considered in connection with Keyes.

Quote:

“It’s the laugh that makes me certain it was him…His hair was long and gross.”
— Arkansas tipster’s email [07:54]

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3. Rethinking Geographic Focus: Route 412 & Highway 71

[16:54]

• The team connects the Arkansas sightings to names and places already orbiting their investigation—Carthage, MO; Springdale and Fayetteville, AR—all close to crucial interstates and the Ozark Mountains.
• Hallmark recounts an earlier tip from Carthage, MO, where a woman recalled Keyes soliciting handyman jobs in Spring 2006, mapping to the same geographic corridor and migratory path as the Arkansas tip.
• Patterns emerge:
  • Spring disappearances of young girls across Missouri and Tennessee
  • Keyes' computer searches for cases along Route 412, suggesting a planned or patterned approach to victim selection

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4. Investigating Beaver Lake and the Limits of Evidence

[26:52]

• The team attempts to confirm alleged claims about bodies found in Beaver Lake weighted with concrete—matching Keyes’ known methods.
• Despite at least 132 drownings and stories of “homemade concrete anchors,” no media or law enforcement record definitively supports the claims, revealing the difficulties inherent in crowdsourced or anecdotal leads.
• Connections drawn between Beaver Lake, Table Rock Lake (MO), and the wider region underscore both potential and limitations in finding patterns.

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5. The Reddit Revelation: The Hazards of Online Sleuthing

[37:07]

• Hallmark discovers the language from the Arkansas tipster's email appearing verbatim on Reddit a day before the email, prompting fears the tip was fabricated or “trolling.”
• After contacting the tipster and later interviewing her, Hallmark finds her credible, noting she provided receipts, schedules, and details consistent with “holdback” material.
• Raises issues of memory distortion, the risk of contamination by online information, and the ethics of relying on community submissions.

Quote:

“At a minimum we believed that she believed it was Keyes. At most, we felt it garnered further investigation.”
— Josh Hallmark [40:10]

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6. The Broader Southern “Hotspot” Theory

[40:40]

• Even if the Arkansas sighting didn’t hold, a constellation of Keyes-related anomalies formed a “circle around Arkansas and Route 412,” including:
  • Wichita, KS
  • Various Missouri towns
  • Tennessee towns (notably the NamUs 45 cases)
  • Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Texas
• Subsequent new evidence ties Keyes more firmly to the South:
  • His car rental contacts/sex worker numbers with southern area codes
  • Confirmed trips and connections to Louisiana, Missouri, and Texas
  • Connections to missing-person cases (e.g., Barbara Blount in Louisiana)
  • A literal Arkansas map found among Keyes’ possessions

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7. Methodological Reflection: Change as Principle

[43:20]

• Hallmark stresses the importance of discarding dogma and allowing for the possibility of being wrong:

  “Normalize changing your mind based on new information… Your opinion is only as valuable as the information you have. And the information you have will always change and evolve. Thus, so should your opinion.”

• Questions arise about:
  • The extent of Keyes' geographic span
  • His use of his social circle in facilitating crimes
  • Potential for accomplices
  • Willingness to revisit previously dismissed theories

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On investigative humility:

  “If I’ve learned anything from this investigation, it’s that there’s no room for dogma or ego. That in order to best know the world, you have to be willing to know nothing about the world.”
  — Josh Hallmark, [03:32]

• On the Arkansas tip and regional connections:

  "The lake’s northernmost point is less than seven miles from the Arkansas Missouri state line."
  — Josh Hallmark, [26:52]

• On reevaluating the broader investigation:

  “One giant circle around Arkansas and Route 412. One giant hotspot with a clear center.”
  — Josh Hallmark, [38:14]

• On the necessity for continuous reevaluation:

  “The more you decide you know about a person, the less space you give them to be who they actually are. You stop seeing what’s in front of you.”
  — Josh Hallmark, [44:10]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [01:41] – Introduction to the finale and the investigation’s ever-changing nature
• [07:10] – Reading and analyzing the Arkansas email tip
• [15:28] – Discussion of the Carthage, MO tip and connecting regional sightings
• [16:54] – Mapping disappearances and tips in Missouri, Arkansas, Tennessee
• [26:52] – Deep dive into Beaver Lake’s history and its significance
• [37:07] – The Reddit post revelation and interview with the Arkansas tipster
• [40:40] – The emergence of an American South “hotspot” for Keyes’ activities
• [43:20] – Reflection on the principle of change in long-running investigations
• [47:00+] – Closing credits, acknowledgment of team members and Patreon supporters

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Conclusion & Forward Look

Josh Hallmark concludes the finale with a powerful meditation on the value of remaining flexible, evidence-driven, and self-critical in complex investigations like the Israel Keyes case. The episode sets up new regional priorities for Season 8, including several overlooked or newly connected areas such as Arkansas and the American South. Hallmark pledges to continue challenging assumptions and following the evidence, wherever it leads.

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For listeners new to the series, “Changes” encapsulates the intellectual rigor, openness, and evolving perspective that define True Crime Bullsh and invites them to see true crime investigation as a process, not a destination.**

Transcript

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This is the season seven finale. True Crime Bullshit will be back for season eight this October. This is a studio both and production. As time goes on and things change with and across the FBI, local law enforcement does and missing persons cases, we're constantly learning more about Israel Keys. We receive new files, new tips, new info from hala, new sightings, new points of contact and each one of those changes what we know and what we thought we knew. The investigation is ever evolving, which is one of the aspects that has made this podcast so enduring. For better and worse. The more we know, the more context changes, the more our opinions on certain sightings change, the more that small or ignored details matter and ultimately the less we know and the less that we realize we know, the more open we are to changing our minds based on new information, changing our perspectives, allowing ourselves to be wrong. If I've learned anything from this investigation, it's that there's no room for dogma or ego. That in order to best know the world, you have to be willing to know nothing about the world. About a year and a half ago, I wrote an episode that never made it to air. As I sat down to record it, I started questioning it. Was its foundation strong enough? Were the tips and sightings as valuable as they felt? Could the people involved be trusted? Was there enough circumstantial evidence to even validate putting the theories and thoughts out into the world? In the end, I decided resoundingly, no. A few tenuous tips and good ideas weren't enough. So I scrambled and wrote and recorded the Roger Jung episodes, two episodes we are incredibly proud of, but ultimately left us feeling confident that Keys wasn't involved. And this was after years of thinking that Keys probably was involved. Like I said, normalize changing your mind based on new information. Your opinion is only as valuable as the information you have. And the information you have will always change and evolve. Thus, so should your opinion. I was going to release the episode on Patreon as a lost episode, or the episode wherein we got trolled, but then we received new information and then more new information, which not only changed the context of the information and ideas we'd used to build that episode, but also gave us significant circumstantial evidence where there'd previously been little to none. So today we're going to go back in time to November 2024 and the episode that never was just as it was written. And when we're done with that, we'll return to the right now and all the new information we have. If this season has taught me anything, it's that even the smallest bit of new information can change the way we see everything, can cast doubt on the strongest held beliefs, can give credence to previously disregarded tips and sightings, can validate our best theories, and it can help us understand anomalies that have been vexing us for years. It's a stark reminder of how tenuous this investigation can be at times. In a world where there's so much that we know we don't know, any small bit of new information can change a lot. It's a strange feeling to spend years looking into a missing person as a potential Keys victim, often with great confidence to find out that Keyes can actually be ruled out. It's bittersweet. The person never actually met with Keyes, but they're still missing and their story is still incomplete. Several months ago, we received an email from someone in Arkansas, a state we have no record of Keyes ever being in and have never had a reason to really look into. But the more time we spent looking into the information and details of and surrounding this email, several strange anomalies in the case began to seemingly make sense. They began to seemingly connect. Hi Josh and team, I got into your podcast a couple years ago when I decided to look into Israel Keys. I think I encountered him sometime between fall 2005 and fall 2008. His laugh is very distinct and Israel isn't a very common name. I would have encountered him in one of two places, and possibly both. The first would be the Student union of the University of Arkansas, among the guys from the gamer club I hung out with when I was earning my degree. This would have to be sometime between when I started college in the late fall of 2005 and when I stopped hanging out with that crowd in the spring of 2008. I don't remember talking to him, just seeing him once hanging out and hearing that laugh. It's the laugh that makes me certain it was him. He was talking with the guys and having a laugh at the couches we all hung out at inside the Student union. I think it was a cold time of year because I remember him wearing a jacket and jeans. His hair was long and gross. The other encounter would have been at Lowe's Home improvement in Springdale, Arkansas, located on Highway 412 or as it's known here, Sunset Avenue. I worked as a cashier but usually worked the returns desk. From February 2006 to mid 2007. I have a memory of him buying a large white bucket with the Lowes logo on it. I believe he also purchased concrete and used a contractor discount or maybe a po. When he checked out it was at the lumber register on the east side of the store. It's not a lot, but I wanted to tell someone and you seem like the most sensible person to tell. I've never told anyone because I thought it was too far fetched. At least until your podcast when you made note of him being in Missouri and being seen on Highway 412. I was like that really could have been him. The U of A is just about five miles down Interstate 49 from Highway 412 and Highway 412 goes on to Beaver Lake, about a 30ish minute drive from the store I worked at some years ago. Beaver Lake got really low and a number of bodies were recovered. If I recall correctly, at least one had homemade concrete weights similar to the milk jug ones Keyes told the FBI about. I tried to find some articles to send along for you, but I admit I'm not very good at sleuthing and I don't remember what year the bodies were recovered. I've lived here for over 30 years now. Thanks for hearing me out and I hope this helps in some way. At first read, it was hard to put any meaningful value into these sightings. There's nothing specific to indicate that this man or these men could have been Israel Keyes, but there were also about a dozen small things that stood out to the team and me, the most glaring being Route 412. You may recall that Highway 412 has long been on our radar due to the Namus 45. More specifically, three missing girls from the Namus 45 Bethany Markowski, Amber Cates and Holly Bobo. Markowski, Cates and Bobo all disappeared from small Tennessee towns along Route 412 and it is highly unlikely to almost certain that Keyes was not involved in Markowski or Cates disappearances. And while we can't definitively rule him out of Holly Bobo's at this point, it also seems a little far fetched. But based on those cases and Keyes description of how he searched for victims, searching locations, dates or local online newspapers, it seemed like Keyes was searching for a victim who disappeared from a town on Route 412, which begins in central Tennessee and spans Arkansas and Oklahoma before terminating in northeastern New Mexico. Our focus however had been Tennessee since that's where all three NamUs 45 disappearances occurred. 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Fortunately, when this tip came in, the whole team was here in the Berkshires preparing for the Berkshire Podcast Festival. We'd spent the days prior poring over new information in my research lab and stopped what we were doing to analyze and research this specific email. The generally pristine room was suddenly full of open binders and scribbled on whiteboards giant maps of the Ozark Mountains. But the first thing I did surprised the team because it had nothing to do with Arkansas or Tennessee. I pulled up Carthage, Missouri on Google Maps. Carthage is a tiny town, which it turns out, is just an hour and 20 minutes due north of Springdale, Arkansas, and that is precisely what I was hoping to find. It was the second half of that email that immediately stood out to me. The Loews Sighting Now I want to put less emphasis on what she recalls the man buying, because time and new information can distort memory. This is not to say we should altogether disregard, however, that this man, she thought looked like Israel Keyes was buying a bucket in concrete. But for now I want to focus on the possibility that Keyes was in a foreign area either doing or pretending to do contract work. Because this is something that has come up time and time again. Handfuls of tips and sightings with varying degrees of credibility. Someone encountered a man that they thought was Keyes or who said his name was Israel, doing contract work in towns all across the country. Spokane, central Michigan, Eastern Massachusetts, Maryland, Tupper Lake Carthage, Missouri In a tip submitted to the FBI on November 1st of 2013, a woman that reported that she met Israel Keys while she was working at Ott Food Products in Carthage, Missouri in the spring of 2006. She told the FBI that Keyes came to her office looking for handyman jobs. She said that he was creepy and rude and he eventually left, driving south on Highway 71 in a white panel work van. It's a tip that we never took seriously. There was no indication that Keyes was ever in Missouri, at least not at first. And the information surrounding her encounter was incredibly vague. There was no mention of why she thought this man was Keyes, no physical description, no mention of how long he was in her office or if he even introduced himself. This could be anything from some local guy canvassing for work, or some stranger walking into her office and introducing himself as Israel. And unless we hear from this woman directly, we'll never know. But it's two similar tips in a similar area at a similar time. And Highway 71 south goes straight to the lows in Springdale, Arkansas, which is on Route 412, less than a mile off Highway 71. Next, we circled back to another Keys anomaly, The Missouri Namus 45 disappearances Bianca Noel Piper and Kara Kopetsky Bianca disappeared from Foley, Missouri, a small town northwest of St. Louis, on March 10 of 2005. Kara disappeared from Belton, Missouri, a suburb south of Kansas City on Highway 71 on May 4 of 2007. Keys can be definitively ruled out in both disappearances, which demands the question why did they end up on his computer? Well, both girls disappeared in the spring from Missouri almost immediately surrounding the timeline of the Carthage, Fayetteville and Springdale tips. The Carthage encounter was spring of 2006, the Springdale encounter was between February 2006 and mid 2007 and the university of Arkansas sighting was between fall of 2005 and spring of 2008. The two Namus 45 disappearances and all three encounters occurred in spring within a three year period at most. And the three Tennessee disappearances also all occurred in spring March 4th, April 11th and April 13th. In terms of the year of disappearance, Both Holly Bobo 2011 and Bethany Markowski 2001 are outliers. But when you consider the year Keyes was using this specific computer to search for victims, they make sense. 2011. Holly Bobo went missing that year and would have dominated search results for missing person Tennessee or missing person route 412 or in all likelihood just missing person. And 2011 also happened to be the 10 year anniversary of Bethany Markowski's disappearance which was receiving significant anniversary coverage. So seven of the eight events occurred in spring. Seven of the eight events occurred along one of two connecting interstate highways, Route 412 and Highway 71. All five disappearances were teenage girls. All three sightings align with spring of 2006 and occurred within 90 miles of one another. So the team and I decided to divide and conquer. 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Foreign. Beaver lake is a 50 mile long man made serpentine reservoir located 30 miles northeast of Springdale. The lake boasts more than 480 miles of shoreline and it's full of long arms and small coves. For the intents and purposes of Keys, it would be an easy lake to disappear in, literally and figuratively. It has a maximum depth of 203ft. The lake's northernmost point is less than seven miles from the Arkansas Missouri state line. In fact, it should be noted that Carthage, Springdale and Fayetteville are all within 100 miles of Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma and Kansas state lines. They also all fall within the long dubious Oklahoma City FBI region, a region that the FBI spent a considerable amount of time in during their Keyes investigation. All three towns are in the Ozark Mountains, ideal landscape for keys. And much like Lake Ozette in Washington, Beaver Lake sits atop a historical village, including its cemetery. According to the Springdale and Fayetteville tipster, during a drought Beaver Lake got historically low and a number of bodies were found, including allegedly one that had been submerged using homemade concrete anchors, which is what Keyes told the FBI he used in Lake Crescent and is what the man she believes could have been Keyes was buying at Lowe's when she encountered him. So he started looking into Beaver Lake, which has a pretty surprising history of body and body part recovery, to see if we could verify this information. The short of it is we could not. I could not find a definitive number of bodies recovered from Beaver Lake, only that there have been at least 132 drownings and multiple bodies recovered from the lake. Specific instances of body recovery have all been from people who disappeared within days of their bodies being recovered, and all of those were witnessed drownings or followed Keyes arrest. The only exception was a leg that was found in the lake, and that leg was eventually identified as belonging to Steve Peterson, a man who drowned there in 1989. There were two floods of note at the lake in 2017 and this year. Editor's Note this year was the time of this writing 2024. I could not find any body recoveries in either period that could feasibly be linked to keys. Additionally, I couldn't find any body recoveries that involved concrete anchors. Also, NAMUS doesn't list any does found in or near Beaver Lake, so I did searches at nearby Table Rock Lake, a similar lake near Branson, Missouri connected to Beaver Lake by the Beaver River. But again, I could find no feasible matches. This doesn't mean there aren't any, as we're all aware does rarely make the news in meaningful ways. And with at least 132 drownings in Beaver Lake, we still likely have a lot of Internet archives and newspaper.com archives to comb through. And while upon our initial search Beaver Lake came up empty as it were, it did lead to our next odd the tiny town of Bellefont. Now Bellefont is likely quite familiar to you. It's the name of the town in Pennsylvania where Ray gricar of the Namus 44 was last seen on April 15th of 2005. Well, it's also the name of a tiny town on Route 412 just east of Springdale, Arkansas and due south from Table Rock Lake in Missouri. Keyes can't be ruled out of Gricar's disappearance, but is again a highly unlikely suspect. But if you were searching for a disappearance in Bellefont in spring of 2005 or around that time, news about Gricar's disappearance would likely come up. As best I could tell, there were no disappearances, unsolved homicides or does in Bellefonte, Arkansas. But the coincidence, particularly in light of all the other coincidences, was impossible to overlook, especially when you zoomed out and looked at the bigger picture. All of this plus an odd sighting of Keyes in Mississippi, a weird trip that Keyes took to Mobile, Alabama. Keyes, Alabama rental car being reported as abandoned in Mobile and now the LaPlace, Louisiana cache. A handful of anomalies had changed to us believing that the American south was now very much in play in Arquis investigation. The final odd coincidence was Wichita, Kansas, which is just 180 miles from these four state lines, and it's a city that Kimberly traveled to for work on at least three different occasions while she was dating Keys. It's important to note, however, that all three trips were well after spring of 2006. So over the next few weeks I dug into this area of the country, looking for recovered remains from Beaver Lake, looking for other connections to Keyes or his loved ones, looking for other overlooked sightings. That's when I came across an eerily familiar story. Story on Reddit of all places. 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[Josh Hallmark]

This is exactly where I began to panic. Back In December of 2024, when I was wrapping up writing and getting ready to record that episode, I started falling into a terrible pattern that often delays episodes. I just wanted to look one more time. I just needed to find that Beaver Lake body recovery. I just needed an hour more. I dug for several hours. Newspapers.com led to nothing new. Namus led to nothing new. Google had dozens of results pages which page after page led to nothing new. That is until I got to page 17. That's where I found almost verbatim language from the email that was sent to me linked back to Reddit. It was someone posting about Keyes time in Carthage and Springdale and opining that he may have used Beaver Lake to submerge his victims. The post date was the day before I received the email. My heart sank. The team and I very quickly determined that the original poster was in fact the same person who emailed me. But the original post didn't include anything about their encounters. It was merely speculation off a flimsy tip that Keyes could have been in the area. Even Shana, our resident optimist, was worried I'd been trolled, or at the very least that someone was trying to conjure a memory of Keyes. I looked back at my writing and all my research to see if the episode could stand on its own without that sighting, it was very debatable. I responded to the email and waited and waited and waited, and as time ran out, I decided to call it. I scrapped the episode and rewrote a new one, completely overlooking that even without that Arkansas sighting, there was still a perfect key circle around the state of Arkansas. Wichita, Kansas Carthage, Foley and Belton, Missouri Columbia, Jackson and Maury County, Tennessee Mobile, Alabama, central Mississippi New Orleans LaPlace and Lafayette, Louisiana Vitor Lufkin and Dallas, Texas. One giant circle around Arkansas and Route 412. One giant hotspot with a clear center. A few months later I interviewed the woman who emailed the Arkansas tip and to my surprise I found her incredibly believable. She told me that she didn't mention her sightings on Reddit because she felt like she was crazy and that people would harass her. I truly cannot imagine. I tested her on the weather. We talked about her job, her time at the university, when she first heard of Keys, when she first made the Keys connection. She even sent me receipts and schedules and maps and images. We talked for about two hours and then exchanged emails. She even mentioned stuff that coincides with some of our holdback material. She named names and other witnesses and we started researching them. At a minimum, we believed that she believed it was Keys. At most, we felt it garnered further investigation. And then, as so often happens, we got distracted by new files and new information and a new season of the show to create. But through all that information, her story continued to find its way to us. First it was the trans sex worker phone numbers found in Keyes rental car, which included area codes for Shreveport, Louisiana just south of Arkansas and Memphis, Tennessee just east. Then in Keyes, Texas interview he mentioned plans to travel to Shreveport to find sex workers. A few months later, Kaz and I were in Louisiana looking into the LaPlace cash and the Barbara Blount case, a woman who disappeared from her home in Central Louisiana in 2008 and what had felt like a possibility before suddenly felt more likely. And we knew we could place Keyes in the area in 2008. Then we discovered that Annie Keyes first love had been living in Missouri. And then Emmett sent us those maps from Constable Anchorage and Keyes car. And there it was, plain as day. Map of Arkansas Normalize Changing your mind based on new information with all the new information we've received over the past 18 months, we've had to ask ourselves some tough questions. Questions, questions that disrupt long held opinions and perceived truths, questions that open doors we haven't always been comfortable going through, questions that in many ways redefine Israel Keyes. Could Keyes have stalked victims and potential victims over prolonged periods of time? Could Keyes have been using his friends and loved ones in far worse ways than he let on? Could Keyes have been operating in places we never even considered? Could Keyes have been working with accomplices? And we've been truly astounded by some of, if not most of our answers to those questions. The more you decide you know about a person, the less space you give them to be who they actually are. You stop seeing what's in front of you. You don't believe the things that don't fit within your narrative, and so you just keep digging in the same old holes, letting just an hour become 10 and then 20 while you try to prove yourself. We'll be back in October, but before then in Little Oklahoma, Northern New Hampshire, Johnson, Vermont, Arkansas, Vancouver Island, Utah, Wyoming and Pennsylvania because we have more work to do than ever and countless files of new information on their way and what we believe is a literal address to a cache and a bottle of Luminol for a boat. She. Sam. This episode was written, researched, edited and produced by me, Josh Hallmark, with additional research by Michelle Tooker, Shayna Walensky, Jordan Taylor and Kathleen studer. Sources include kark.com4029tv.com and the Northwest Arkansas Democrat Gazette. This episode was made possible by the following Patreon, Amy Basile, Kendall C. Ash Fish, Heather Horton, Whedon, Sherry Dee, Kristin Hoffman, Dale Axton, Stephanie Taylor, Drew Vipond, Amelia Hancock, Christina Sisson, Nicole and Dennis Henry, Jillian Natale, Lana Holliday, Rural Juror Tuesday Woodworth, Kathleen S. Annette L. Casey Jensen Richardson, South Carolina Benjamin Chapa, Thong, Trista, Nicole Pink, Jen J. Robin, Carol, HBeth Jones, Michelle Jordan M. Kate Luzier, Sarah C, John Comrie, Kathy Nation, Virginia Williams, Carrie Jeff, Jordan T. Bethany, David Begley, Allie, Lauren Ferry, Chris S, Tori Meyer, Sabrina Abbott, Megan Daigle, Melissa Trachea, Ashley Coupland, Michael Randall, Duane C, Jen Tricola and Trixie. Thank you to True Crime Bullshit's newest Patreon supporters, Neil R, Tricia M, Carla H, Jeff, Laurel C, Tina K. And James G. To support the investigation, get ad free episodes and bonus content go to patreon.comstudiobothand this episode included music by Wythe Sero and Sergei Cheremisinov, with featured music by Siguros. And thank you to all for bearing with me during what has been a very challenging winter. We look forward to being back next autumn. Bright eyed and bushy tailed world. It's you. Sam. You. It's you. It's you. It's you. It's you. It's you.

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