S7 Prep: Hunters, WA

Summary

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Podcast Summary: True Crime Bullsh**

Episode: S7 Prep: Hunters, WA
Host: Josh Hallmark
Date: September 18, 2025
Main Theme:
A deep dive into the potential victims of Israel Keyes in Washington and bordering states, with a strong focus on disappearances involving staged car accidents and the mysterious case of an abandoned farmhouse in Hunters, Washington.

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Episode Overview

This episode sets the stage for Season 7, exploring the unsolved disappearances that could be linked to serial killer Israel Keyes during his time in the Pacific Northwest. Host Josh Hallmark examines a series of missing person cases involving suspicious car accidents, unexplained disappearances of Indigenous women, geographical connections, and newly uncovered FBI inquiries centered on Hunters, WA.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Israel Keyes’ Possible Involvement in Car Accident Disappearances

• The Leah Roberts Case (Whatcom County, WA, 2000)

  • Leah disappeared during a road trip; her crashed Jeep was found abandoned, containing cash and personal items, but no sign of her or her cat.
  • Key insight: Local law enforcement and the host explore the theory of Keyes’ involvement due to his MO and circumstantial cues. However, Josh points out Keyes was serving in Egypt at the time, but his military vacation time leaves some ambiguity.
  • Notable oddities: Missing cat carrier, cash left behind, eyewitnesses seeing Leah followed by a man, a cut starter relay, and an anonymous caller.
  • Josh Hallmark:

    “With Keyes, anything is possible. However… it's highly unlikely. Because at the time of Leah's disappearance, Keyes was in the army, stationed in Egypt. However, again with Keyes, highly unlikely isn’t necessarily exculpatory.” (05:07)

• Other Car Accident Disappearances

  • Kenneth Adrian Greth (Grants Pass, OR, 2002): Car found at bottom of a ravine; no evidence victim was in the car during the crash; Keyes’ whereabouts unknown during the relevant dates.
  • Thomas Randall Hedgecock (Filer, ID, 2004): Car found crashed; no body, blood, or footprints. Correlation with Keyes' geographic movements.
  • Pattern: Multiple cases echo Keyes’ known method of staging accidental deaths and leaving vehicles in remote, inaccessible locations.

• Quote:

  “I started looking into car accidents after Israel mentioned he staged one of his victims to look like an accidental death.”
  — Josh Hallmark (13:45)

2. Suspicious Deaths in Washington State Matching Keyes’ MO

• Wendell Harris (Poulsbo, WA, 2000)

  • Vanished after teaching a class; body recovered in Sol Duc area, Olympic National Park; cause of death undetermined.
  • Notable proximity: Keyes camped in this area before and after the disappearance.
  • Area previously linked to one of Keyes’ “murder kits.”

• Alice Ida Looney (Wapato, WA & Satus Creek, 2004)

  • Indigenous woman, vanished on the Yakima Reservation; body recovered more than a year later, cause undetermined.
  • Multiple jurisdictional complications (tribal, state, federal) possibly allowed the case to languish.
  • Host’s extensive geographic and logistical analysis suggests Keyes’ movements and habits fit a potential timeline.
  • Eyewitness Accounts: Statements from Keyes’ former girlfriend and boss suggest he took a suspicious three-day trip alone in August 2004, changed his appearance after returning, and used a different vehicle.

• Quote:

  “Of all the possible recovered victims, Alice seems to me the most likely Keyes victim.”
  — Josh Hallmark (30:23)

3. Keyes’ Personal Logistics and Geography

• Keyes had a 9-5 job with the Makah Tribe in Neah Bay but often took long weekends, reducing accountability ("My accountability was pretty low at that time" — Keyes, 23:59).

• Detailed breakdown of how Keyes leveraged geographic, social, and jurisdictional loopholes to evade suspicion and move freely for his crimes.

• Quote:

  “Washington was a lot easier in a lot of ways because once I lived out in Neah Bay, I knew all of Washington pretty well and except I was so isolated out there. Once you drive past Port Angeles, it's like you're in a new world.”
  — Israel Keyes (23:37)

4. The Hunters, WA Farmhouse Mystery

• Unreleased FBI Interview Segment

  • Post-Keyes’ final FBI interview, agents sought the owner of an abandoned farmhouse in Hunters, WA, specifically interested in unusual occurrences around April 2005.
  • The FBI’s unusual field investigation and the absence of these findings from public records or interviews point to something significant being withheld.
  • Josh notes a 30-minute redaction from the final interview video coinciding with these inquiries.

• Questions Raised:

  “So what exactly did Keyes tell investigators about this farmhouse and Hunters and why isn't it included… in FBI files?”
  — Josh Hallmark (38:18)

• Potential major plot thread for the upcoming season.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Keyes’ Plausible Deniability:

  “With Keyes, highly unlikely isn’t necessarily exculpatory.”
  — Josh Hallmark (05:07)

• On Staged Vehicle Deaths:

  “I started looking into car accidents after Israel mentioned he staged one of his victims to look like an accidental death.”
  — Josh Hallmark (13:45)

• On Jurisdictional Evasion:

  “And keep in mind the federal nexus that we talked about in the national parks.”
  — Israel Keyes (25:44)

• On FBI Investigation Redactions:

  “Thirty minutes have been edited out of the publicly available final FBI interview… The group then goes on to briefly discuss New York before circling back to an in-depth conversation about all of Israel's Washington State victims. It will be his most revealing discussion about these victims. So what does the FBI not want us to know about an abandoned farmhouse in Hunters, Washington?”
  — Josh Hallmark (39:00)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 05:00–07:00 – Leah Roberts case, Keyes’ military alibi, but lingering doubts
• 09:30–13:30 – Pattern of staged vehicle disappearances, parallels with Keyes’ statements
• 17:58–23:08 – The suspicious deaths of Wendell Harris and Alice Looney; movement analysis
• 23:37–24:38 – Keyes describing his travel routines and work “coasting” period
• 30:23 – Host declares Alice Looney the prime candidate for a “recovered” Keyes victim
• 33:43–39:10 – The Hunters, WA farmhouse, FBI investigation, and redacted interview segment

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Conclusion & Tone

In this methodical, investigative episode, Josh Hallmark weaves together complex case details, interviews, timelines, and forensic insight with an air of both skepticism and relentless curiosity. The episode maintains a careful, somber, and fact-driven tone, steeped in empathy for victims and critical of law enforcement’s and the FBI’s oversights. As the show pivots toward Hunters, WA, the tension builds for the season to come, with hints of crucial secrets yet to be unearthed.

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For listeners new and old, this episode acts as both a recap of intriguing unsolved mysteries linked to Israel Keyes and a tantalizing preview of deeper revelations in Season 7 of True Crime Bullsh**.

Transcript

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[Bowen Yang]

This is a studio both and production. Do you think over the years.

[Israel Keyes (Interviewee)]

Any of the people that you were with.

[Bowen Yang]

Kimberly or whoever or Tammy or whoever.

[Israel Keyes (Interviewee)]

Before, do you think any of them had any ideas about the other side of you? I imagine 2020 hindsight they might remember some stuff. I can't remember any time. Where there was any question as to what I was or who I was.

[Bowen Yang]

Maybe questions about where you were, but not necessarily.

[Israel Keyes (Interviewee)]

There were some questions about where I had been that I always like I say I usually plan things so that I had, I don't know, they sounded like good reasons excuses to me and nobody ever really called me on them. So was there a relationship between Tammy and Kimberly? Not really.

[Bowen Yang]

Just.

[Israel Keyes (Interviewee)]

There was a little bit of drama at one point, but no, there wasn't a relationship. Is that somebody in Washington? You're asking if they knew each other? No, I'm asking who it is. If you dated, was there somebody else because you saw another girlfriend? Yeah, for a while. Who was that? Her name was Denise she would.

[Bowen Yang]

Then.

[Israel Keyes (Interviewee)]

She had a family in Neah Bay and she lived in Kent down by SeaTac or something.

[Bowen Yang]

This is true crime bullshit. I'm your host, Josh Hallmark. And this is a serialized story of Israel Key. There are a startling number of missing persons cases involving car crashes in Washington and its bordering states. And when you consider Keyes references to the book Intensity Notes in his suicide letter. And the many, many tips from drivers claiming that Keyes tried to run them off of the road. It's completely reasonable to take a closer look at some of these cases. Specifically 3. The most notable of which is the case of Leah Roberts. Leah disappeared from Whatcom county in Washington in 2000. In fact, local law enforcement even reached out to me to see if it was possible that Keyes could have been involved in her disappearance. And as I find myself saying quite frequently these days, with Keyes, anything is possible. However, in this case it's highly unlikely. Because at the time of Leah's disappearance, Keyes was in the army, stationed in Egypt. However, again with Keyes, highly unlikely isn't necessarily exculpatory. Keyes did earn 30 days of vacation per year while serving in the Army. And that vacation was use it or lose it. Meaning it's quite likely that Keyes was making the most of his vacation time. Since he'd otherwise lose it all at the end of the fiscal year. And we know Keyes had a history of abusing his paid time off. For the five and a half months that Keyes was in Egypt. He would have accrued about 14 or 15 days of vacation. And unfortunately, there's no available records of Keyes time off while on active duty in Egypt. Leah Roberts was Last seen on March 1st of 2000. Her car was discovered on March 18th. Abandoned along an old logging road in rural Whatcom county, about 85 miles north of Seattle. Her jeep had clearly been in some sort of accident. When it was discovered with significant front end damage in an embankment off the highway. At the time of her disappearance, Leah was on a cross country road trip with her kitten. Following the death of her parents. Authorities found a gas receipt in her car. Which placed her in Brooks, Oregon at around midnight on March 13th. They also found a movie theater ticket stub placing her In Bellingham, Washington, 300 miles north of Brooks. Later that afternoon, searches of her abandoned car yielded no signs of Leah or her cat. Although they did find cat food, a cat carrier, $2,500 hidden in a pair of pants and blankets covering the car's broken windows. There are many theories that Leah walked away from the accident. However, it seems unlikely she'd leave behind all that cash and take her cat, but not its carrier. On the same token, it seems if foul play were involved, that cash would have been stolen. There were, however, eyewitnesses who claimed that a man was seen following Leah as she left a diner in the days preceding the discovery of her car. Additionally, there were no signs that Leah had been in the car when it crashed. Upon further searches of Leah's car, investigators found that a starter relay had been cut. Cutting this would make it possible for the car to accelerate without use of the gas pedal. An unknown fingerprint was also discovered on the hood of the car. Shortly after the discovery of Leo's car, investigators received an anonymous call from a man claiming to have seen Leah after the accident. He said she looked disoriented and confused. But when police pressed further, the man hung up. And the mysterious caller? He was never identified. Now, according to Israel Keys, he didn't murder anyone while in the Army. However, we also know that Keyes liked to play word games, and perhaps he never murdered anyone while he was on active duty or stationed in the Army. But we can't even place Keys in the United States at the time of Leah's disappearance. He left for Egypt two months before her car was discovered. But we do know that Keyes worked on cars and would likely know which wires to cut to immobilize or mess with a car. Additionally, Keyes is known to have stalked his victims and it seems very likely that someone was following Leah at the time of her car accident. The area Leah disappeared from is also one Keyes knew well and could easily return to from Tacoma, Colville and even Neah Bay. And many of Kee's weird references in a suicide note are very similar to Leah's disappearance. A car accident, a young woman with brown hair, and most notably, a line that's mostly illegible due to Israel's blood stains, but ends with a reference to a victim's pet. I personally don't think Keyes was involved in Leah's disappearance, but there's enough similarities to his MO that it's worth exploring. In addition to several other similar missing persons cases involving car accidents or staged car accidents, Kenneth Adrian Greth was last seen on July 8th of July of 2002 in Grants Pass, Oregon. Little is known about his disappearance, including the exact date he disappeared. It is believed Kenneth had a meth problem when he disappeared, and there were rumors he could have been murdered seven years after he was reported missing. His 1989 Geo Metro was found at the bottom of a ravine in the Rogue River Siskiyou National Forest about 25 miles west of Grants Pass. Much like Leah's car, all the windows were broken out and the keys were still in the ignition. Additionally, the tires were all flat. And again, as with Leah, there were no signs that Kenneth or anyone was actually in the car at the time of the car crash. Keys was living 540 miles away in Neah Bay at the time of Kenneth's disappearance. And there's no available information regarding Keyes whereabouts at any point in July of 2002. However, July 7th, 8th and 9th are all dates that come up multiple times on the Namus 44. So it's clear Keyes was looking for something that occurred that first week of July. Interestingly, there are about 55 unsolved missing persons cases between July of 2000 and February of 2007 from Washington state and its surrounding areas that match Keyes MO and occurred while Keyes was in the area. Of those 55, seven people disappeared along with their cars from within 15 miles of Grants Pass. Six of those seven cars were eventually recovered, all in remote areas, five of which had incurred significant damage. Thomas Randall Hedgecock was last seen on Monday, May 24th of 2004 in Filer, Idaho. He left his house at approximately 10:30 that evening to attend a barbecue and hasn't been seen or heard from since. On May 31, his truck was found at the bottom of an embankment along the Snake river between Filer and Wendell, Idaho. Again, there was no evidence that anyone had been in the car when it went off the road. And much like in both Leah's and Kenneth's cases, there was no blood at the scene nor were there any footprints nearby. And authorities again suspected foul play. All we know about Israel's life during May of 2004 is that he and Tammy had just split up and he was still working for the Makah in Neah Bay. Filer is approximately 800 miles from Neah Bay but only 500 from Maupin, Oregon and 350 miles from Green River, Wyoming. I mention Green river because Thomas disappeared just three months following Keyes first trip there. The drive from Maupin to Green river takes you directly through the area where Thomas disappeared and where his car was eventually recovered. And maps of this specific region of Idaho were discovered in Keyes home following his arrest. As I mentioned in episode 11, I started looking into car accidents after Israel mentioned he staged one of his victims to look like an accidental death. But pretty quickly into my car research. I hit a excuse the pun roadblock when I tried searching for similar area accidents where a body was discovered in the wreckage. I was understandably overwhelmed. It turns out Washington State has the 8th highest rate of traffic related deaths in the country, narrowing my searches down to rural areas Keyes was known to frequent or pass through. Well, that didn't help much either, especially and somewhat sadly, since most cases where a body is found in a wrecked car are generally written off as accidental and not investigated. So if Keyes did in fact stage his one recovered victim to look like a car wreck, we'll probably never know who that victim was. But there were two mysterious deaths that took place in areas Keyes was known to frequent during his time in Neah Bay, and both strongly match Keyes known mos.

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[Bowen Yang]

57 year old Wendell Harris disappeared in 2000, sometime between the afternoon of March 31, when he was last seen teaching a class at Olympic College in Poulsbo, Washington and the morning of April 1, when he failed to return to work at Olympic College. His black 1995 Chevy Tahoe disappeared with him. A search of his home found no apparent signs of foul play. Prior to his disappearance, neighbors said Harris had talked about going hiking somewhere in Kitsap county or on the Olympic Peninsula. On April 12, hikers found Wendell's body in the Sol Duck area of the Olympic National Park. His exact cause of death is unknown, but his death was eventually declared accidental. His car was found in a parking lot one mile from his body. Interestingly, Keyes had camped in the Solduck area of the park many times both prior to and following Harris's death. Harris body was discovered just four miles from where a man reported that he found a murder kit while hiking and then eventually threw that murder kit into a nearby embankment. Keys can't be placed anywhere on either March 31st or April 1st. His last known whereabouts prior to Harris disappearance are on an eastbound ferry from Kingston, Washington to Edmonds on March 30th. He can't be placed anywhere again until April 3rd, where he was working on a construction project in Everett, Washington. But it's the second mysterious death that rang alarm bells for me. So much so that I ended up in a rental car driving across Washington State to a remote island near Yakima. Alice Ida Looney was last seen in Wapato, Washington during the early morning hours of August 17, 2004. Alice was a member of the Yakima Tribal Nation, and Wapato, where she lived and disappeared from, is part of the existing Yakima Indian Reservation and Tribal Lands. There isn't a lot of information about Alice's disappearance other than references to it and stories covering the many disappearances and unsolved murders of Yakima women. We do know that she was reported missing in the days following her last known sighting. Alice remained missing for over a year until November 30th of 2005 when her body was discovered by a hunter. Alice's body had been wedged under a tree on a small island in Satis Creek, about 20 miles south of Wapato. In 2006, the U.S. department of justice launched a review of unsolved and suspicious deaths, paying close attention to the missing and murdered indigenous women of Yakima. In this review, the FBI listed Alice's cause of death as inconclusive and no apparent investigation was conducted into her death thereafter. In fact, none of her friends or family were ever even interviewed during or following the Department of Justice inquiry. There were a few things about Alice's case that struck me initially. First was the location. Wapato is 120 miles from Maupin and lies en route to Maupin from both Neah Bay and Colville. It's also just a 90 minute drive from James father's house in Moses Lake. And as I'm sure you'll recall, there were several times where Keyes drove James to his father's house from Neah Bay on his way to allegedly visit friends and family.

[Israel Keyes (Interviewee)]

I could always think of some excuse. I at the time still had ties in eastern Washington, so it was pretty easy to say, you know, I'm just going to go over to eastern Washington, check on the old place, go see so and so. And when you say ties, did you have family living there or friends? Friends. So go and visit so and so.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Israel Keyes (Interviewee)]

And be gone for a few days. Military friends or no, like child friends.

[Bowen Yang]

There's no known whereabouts for Keyes on August 16th or 17th. It is worth remembering since it doesn't come up nearly enough on this podcast that Keys did have a 9 to 5 job while living in Neah Bay. Which means that even when he can't be accounted for, it's safe to assume that Mondays through Fridays he was likely working for the Makah tribe. It's something he even brings up in his interviews.

[Israel Keyes (Interviewee)]

Washington was a lot easier in a lot of ways because once I lived out in Neah Bay, I knew all of Washington pretty well and except I was so isolated out there. Once you drive past Port Angeles, it's like you're in a new world.

[Bowen Yang]

Anyway.

[Israel Keyes (Interviewee)]

What's that whole part? There's a whole set of mountains right there that separates Neah Bay from. Yeah, the Olympic. Well, the Olympic Range is. There's mountains everywhere. You don't really have to go over any mountain passes or anything to get to Seattle, Right? Right. No, not to get. But there is that parkland or wilderness area. Yeah, there is. Once I Had the boat. It was. By then I was pretty much coasting in my job. So I would take off for long weekends. My accountability was pretty low at that time.

[Bowen Yang]

That's right. Keys generally took long weekends. While committing crimes in Washington state, Alice disappeared between Sunday night and Monday morning. And remember when Keyes was asking investigators whether Ellensburg, Washington was part of the eastern or western federal jurisdiction? Well, Wapato is 50 miles due south of Ellensburg. And so I drove to where Alice's body was found. Alice's body was found in Granger, Washington, A rural and remote area on the edge of the Yakima Reservation. Just about equidistant between Yakima City and Kennewick, Washington. The land she was found on is just off High Highway 22 and Satis Longhouse Road. It's public land.

[Israel Keyes (Interviewee)]

And keep in mind the federal nexus that we talked about in the national parks. Yeah, I'll have to do some research on that. We could do that for you. We can check if you wanted to. Just give me some grids. Yeah, just give me a couple lakes and I'll look them up for you. There's lots of western Washington is. I don't even remember. I mean, I know all the places I went, and I know that they're all public areas, but I don't know which ones were state, which ones were federal.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't know.

[Israel Keyes (Interviewee)]

I never really paid that much attention.

[Bowen Yang]

After turning on Desatus Longhouse road from Highway 22, if you take the first possible turn onto a public road and then your first possible turn onto a dirt hunting road, it'll take you straight to the island where her remains were recovered. About 1,000ft down that same hunting trail is an abandoned service station. More interesting than that, though, is that it's about 80ft from that hunting trail to the island. And along that stretch of 80ft is an old outhouse. We know that in the case of the recovered victim, Keyes ran out of time and had to get rid of the remains quickly. He staged the body in a way that would make the death look accidental. We also know that the body was recovered some time after the murder took place and that Keyes wasn't certain how long after because there wasn't much press or information about the recovery or the ensuing investigation. We also know that Keyes very first attack occurred in an outhouse along a river. Additionally, Keyes knew murders of native women on tribal lands would fall within the jurisdiction of tribal police. And Keyes was well acquainted with the jurisdictional issues between the FBI Local law enforcement and tribal police. Beyond that, there are three striking pieces of information. That came from an interview with Denise, a woman Keyes briefly dated between Kimberly and Tammy, and from an interview with Keyes former boss. According to Denise, who Keyes was dating in 2004, he drove alone to Eastern Washington for a three day weekend at some point in August. Most notably from her statement is that he was driving a white sedan she'd never seen before. And when she asked him about the car, he said it was a car he used specifically for traveling. When she saw him about a week later, he had changed his entire appearance. He'd cut his previously long hair and grew a mustache. And this was somewhat corroborated by Keyes boss who told investigators that Keyes had called out sick from work on two separate Mondays in late August and September of 2004. Now there is a report in the FBI files regarding Alice's disappearance. And in it it mentions that Keyes called out sick on September 22, but makes no mention of him calling out in August. That same report, however, gets a lot of critical information wrong. It says that Alice wasn't reported missing for months after her disappearance. But interviews with her sister, her sister who reported her missing, have her reporting the disappearance just days after Alice was last seen. And as you'll recall, the FBI never even interviewed Alice's sister during their inquiry. Additionally, it says Keyes was at a wedding IN SEQUIM Just 20 miles from where Alice was found. Well, sequim is over 200 miles from where Alice was found. And the wedding he attended there with Denise it occurred two weeks before Alice was last seen. So I'm much more inclined to believe the interviews than this report. And of all the possible recovered victims, Alice seems to me the most likely Keyes victim. But it was in the fact checking of Alice's case that I stumbled upon something unrelated that I'd previously missed. Something that hasn't been made public by the FBI.

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[Bowen Yang]

In the week following Keyes final FBI interview, investigators began reaching out to various residents in Hunters, Washington. You may recall that Keyes drove Tammy's son James to see his dad in Moses Lake over the weekend of April 1, 2005. The pair left on March 31, and it's unclear when they returned exactly, but it's believed somewhere around April 4th or 5th. A few days later, on April 9th, Keys purchased his boat from James Dad. Well, on that trip, Keys told Tammy and James dad that he was visiting visiting friends in Hunters, Washington. He later admitted to investigators that he didn't actually know anyone in Hunters. Well, that outreach following his final interview, it was quite specific. The FBI were trying to find out who owned a particular abandoned farmhouse in Hunters, Washington, specifically who owned it. In April of 2005, they also interviewed neighbors of this particular farmhouse, notably asking about anything odd happening on or around the property that month. In some of these interviews were conducted in person, meaning the FBI was actually in Hunters investigating this farmhouse. And while the FBI were investigating the farmhouse, Keyes killed himself. And other than four heavily redacted interviews included in the FBI files, it never comes up again. So what exactly did Keyes tell investigators about this farmhouse and Hunters and why isn't it included in the available interviews or available FBI files? And as a keen observer noted, 30 minutes have been edited out of the publicly available final FBI interview. The timestamp skips ahead almost exactly 30 minutes and when the video resumes, you can hear Agent Godin entering the room say I think we found it. They then note that his rights were previously read to him that day, something else which has been excluded from the available footage. The group then goes on to to briefly discuss New York before circling back to an in depth conversation about all of Israel's Washington State victims. It will be his most revealing discussion about these victims. So what does the FBI not want us to know about an abandoned farmhouse in Hunters, Washington?

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