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Stop scrolling. Start spinning. Chumba Casino has hundreds of social casino games. No downloads, just pure fun. Play for free and you could redeem real prices. Ready to turn your free moments into winning moments? Head to Chumbacasino.com today. No purchase necessary BDW group void prohibited by law 21 plus terms and conditions apply. Hey guys. Welcome to episode 204 of the True Crime Couple. I'm Kay.
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And I'm John.
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We hope that you're all doing well and you're ready for another episode. Remember, if you're new to Patreon, please stay tuned at the end of the episode because we're will be giving you an individual shout out. And this is our first episode back after having the baby.
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I know. Isn't it crazy?
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It feels so weird. I feel like to be recording again.
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I know, I know. I feel like I'm like out of sorts, you know, it's like, well, we're on high alert. Yeah, we are. Right? And then like we've got a five week old. I know, I know. It's, it's actually unbelievable. Like I'm thinking she's in the other room and we're here and yeah, like what's happening? What's happening in there? You know?
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Yeah, we promise she's not alone, guys. John's mom's dad there.
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Yeah. Thank you mom. So, no, we're glad to be here. I'm glad to get back into the
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swing of it and we appreciate everyone's love and patience. We're so excited to be new parents. But we're also terrified at all times and super exhausted.
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Oh yeah, I mean that is definitely right now. Sleep is a commodity in our house, 100%. But it's a good change, obviously. And, and we're glad that she's here and we are glad to be here to do this today.
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That's true. So without any further ado, John, are you ready to hear something crazy?
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I am.
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In Jacksonville, Florida, a shocking discovery was made in the early morning hours of October 28, 2012. A husband returned home from work to find his wife dead in their bedroom. The crimes against her were brutal and the suspects were plentiful, including the husband himself.
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Police say the suspect, 31 year old
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Jeffrey Dahmer, has confessed to the killings
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of 11 people whose remains were found in his apartment. We are all evil in some form or another, are we not? Lock your doors, lock your windows.
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If you have the ability to provide
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additional security devices, then by all means do so.
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The 38 year old Kim Dorsey lived in Jacksonville, Florida, with her husband, Derek Dorsey. The couple was very ambitious, wanting to establish themselves and their careers before beginning a family. But having a family was something that Kim undoubtedly wanted to do. Kim had graduated from the University of North Florida with a degree in civil engineering. She was a certified general contractor and the owner of her own construction company, as well as the director of training for the quality Assurance Department of Inspection. That's an insane amount of jobs that she has and a lot of responsibility.
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I'd say so.
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And I mean, we're talking about someone who is super intelligent and, like, on top of her game. So I can understand why she's like, okay, there's a lot that I'm going through right now, so it'd be really hard to start a family.
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Yeah, I mean, I feel like that's happening more and more, especially now. Right. It's like you're worried about your career. You're trying to get everything started. You know, when is the right time? Time? Oh, my God.
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Like, it's never the right time.
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Nope, never.
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So basically, when Kim's not working on her own projects, she was training home inspectors. And this is a really important job in Florida because of all the hurricanes and water damage that can occur. So your home inspection could and should really save you from making unwise home buying decisions. So that's a really important job to have, and she's the person who trains them to do that. Kim took both of her jobs seriously, and she was proud of what she accomplished. Kim met her husband, Derek, back when they were in school together at the University of North Florida. They dated for eight years before they got married. Same.
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Wow, look at that.
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Derek worked as both an engineer and a paramedic with the Jacksonville Fire and Rescue Department, which meant that his hours were a little crazy. But Kim understood together they were working towards the same goals of success. And success was something the couple did have. They drove nice vehicles. They had a beautiful large home in a gated community equipped with their loved miniature schnauzers. Things were perfect or seemingly so. Isn't that always the caveat with these podcasts?
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It's so true. Right?
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The reality was that Kim's jobs were stressful. She had a lot on her shoulders, and when she expressed this to her doctor, they suggested that she speak with a psychiatrist. Kim would later be diagnosed with depression, and she began taking antidepressants to balance out how she was feeling. Now, this is something that's difficult because here's Kim working towards this goal of wanting to have a family and. And wanting to establish her career. And seemingly on the outside, she has everything that she could want. But to get there, her job is extremely stressful. So they were saying that she had this situational depression.
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Yeah, that must be very difficult. I mean, I feel like sometimes when you're overly ambitious because you want to get somewhere, it can work against you. Right. Because it's one thing if you don't care, but then when you really do care and you want to get somewhere when it's not happening fast enough or you're just not, you know, you are putting in the time, but you're not there yet, that could be stressful. So it's that probably coupled with she probably does want to start a family. Right. Trying to find that right time and all that stuff weighs heavily. And like, they're all working, like, multiple jobs here. So they are. This is a lot of stress, a
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high stress situation, Especially when you're someone who is. Is seemingly like. Kim was a bit of a perfectionist and wanted to be great at everything she did. And it seemed like that the result of that was that she was spreading herself very thin.
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Yeah.
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I mean, emotionally wearing on her. Yeah.
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Which you can relate to. I mean, I can. You know, you do. That is how you are and how you operate.
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So, yeah, I can relate. Well. After just a few weeks of being on the antidepressants, Kim decided that she didn't want to take them anymore. She felt like they had too many negative side effects for her. She didn't like how they made her feel or the weight that they were making her gain. However, she promised Derek that she wouldn't just stop taking them cold turkey, that she would wait for her next doctor's appointment so they could discuss how she should properly and safely wean off of them. Okay, this leads us to the day of discovery. On Sunday, October 28, 2012, just 18 days after Kim celebrated her 38th birthday. Derek Dorsey had come home in the early morning hours, fresh off of an overnight shift. His plan was to change quickly and get into bed with Kim and sleep for as long as possible. But that was not what would happen. As soon as he walked into the bedroom, he saw Kim on the floor, passed out. As a paramedic, that part of his brain took over and his adrenaline kicked in. He checked to see if she was breathing. She was not. He called 911 and put them on speakerphone. As he began to perform cpr, Derek knew somewhere in the back of his mind that his efforts were useless because Kim was already gone and had been for Hours. It had been obvious when he began chest compressions, and he felt that she was cold to the touch, but it wasn't something that he was yet willing to admit. He didn't want to let go of Kim. As Derek was doing chest compressions while performing cpr, he became covered in blood. Not just because when he found Kim, she was already covered in blood, but. But every time he did a chest compression, it was making her heart pump more blood through. So because of that, he and the scene were completely covered in blood. When emergency service crews did arrive at the scene, they describe Derek as being in shock when they got there. He was familiar with some of the people that arrived at his home because of his work. He told them that she was already dead and that he feared that based on her history, that she may have died from suicide. Now, this is something that he had also told to dispatch when he was on the phone with them. But when the first responders got to the scene, they were in shock, too. So when the call was received, it was received as a potential suicide. Okay, so that's what everyone thought they were arriving to. But when they got to the scene and they saw the blood everywhere, and they. They said it clearly looked like there had been a fight in the room. The victim bled out a lot, not just from one wound. There was blood all over the room, even the walls. So to them and their trained minds, in no way did this look like a suicide. And they were shocked that someone like Derek, who had experience in dealing with crime scenes from both suicides and homicides as a paramedic, they were shocked that he didn't himself know the difference, that his mind immediately went there.
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Well, I think that there's a couple of takeaways from that. I don't think that's a fair assessment to put on the husband, because she recently was seeing a therapist or a psychiatrist, one or the other there, and she was prescribed the medication, and maybe he kind of. That was the first thing he gravitated towards. Also, you know how sometimes we say, like, okay, well, some family members don't want to accept the fact that suicide was a role, like, played a role in. In this. Like.
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Like someone did die by suicide.
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It could be the opposite.
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Denial.
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Yeah, exactly. They're in denial. So it could be the opposite here where it's like, well, I don't want to. I'm not going to admit that, or I'm not going to even put that thought forward, that someone came in here and murdered my wife.
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Right.
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It could be the opposite of that. Right. So there's a lot there. Plus, that's traumatic. I don't care how much of a professional you are. You're not. You're not ever thinking that you're going to walk into a room and find your significant other and dead like that. So I've always heard people say, like, oh, they're professionals. It's different, but it's not. We're people. Okay.
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Yeah.
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And though he has experience, that doesn't make him immune to what's happening now. And it's probably shock, so.
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Okay. And there are a few things that could corroborate that. The fact that they did say that he did look like he was in shock, and despite the fact that he knew that she had passed, he was still performing cpr, even though he, as a trained individual, knew that she had passed.
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Correct.
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So it does seem like he was exhibiting signs of shock. They just thought it was rather weird. And you know where everyone's mind goes when a wife is murdered to the husband, and one way he could be trying to cover this up is to say she died by suicide versus a homicide.
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I get that, and I could see that. I'm just saying, even in his shock, though, his professionalism still came out. Think about it. Calling up 911, letting them know he's doing chest compressions. All those things were his professionalism coming out there as well.
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Right.
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So I don't know. I think that we talk about grief and. And trauma in the moment, how it affects, you know, everyone differently. I. I personally don't think that if I was an investigator, I would feel like that's odd behavior, especially since we know nothing else yet at all.
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Right. Like, his mind might have been blocking out all those really bad things, because our mind does tend to do that.
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True.
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Well, in addition to there being blood on the walls, it also pooled around Kim on the floor and was in large amounts on the bed the couple shared. It was everywhere, something that's never seen in a suicide. By the time they arrived, Derek had taken the comforter from where he had found it and placed it over his wife. Another thing he should know not to do. But he said he didn't because he didn't like seeing her exposed like that, that it was too upsetting to him and he wanted, you know, some sense of decency.
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Yeah. And there's, like, a certain level of dignity, like, you don't want to just leave your spouse there like that. I. I understand this protocol, and he probably. He really shouldn't have, but I understand.
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It's different when it's your family.
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Exactly.
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When the blanket was removed, the paramedics were even further convinced that this death was in no way a suicide. Kim Dorsey had clearly been severely beaten and stabbed in the neck. She was undressed and had zip ties around her hands as if she had been restrained, but found a way to break free. Beside her body was a bloody knife, a dish towel, and a broken pool cue. They really couldn't comprehend how Derek thought this was a suicide. I mean, and, I mean, that's pretty weird that he said it was a suicide, but next to his wife was a knife, a dish towel, a broken pool cue, there's blood on the walls. I mean, that. It is a little weird, you have to admit.
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Yes, no, I do. And, and you would. By the look of the room, I'm sure it, it. Because didn't someone say it looked like a struggle in the room?
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Oh, it looked like there was a big fight in the room.
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I understand. Once again, I, I'm, I'm really just kind of going back to what I said earlier. I think it's just shock and denial.
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You're advocating for the husband.
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I am, actually. I am, actually. Cuz I, I, I don't know why. I just think we don't know enough yet to really, like, there's no cause for pause. There's no beige flag, no red flag, even.
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Okay.
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I mean, I know some people might think, oh, well, it's, it's kind of weird that he did all that, but I don't know until we find out more.
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Okay. When the detectives and crime scene investigators arrived at the scene, they also found a gun under the bed that had recently been fired.
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Okay.
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They believed that the autopsy would reveal that there had most likely been a sexual assault based on the fact that the victim was undressed. So this is a really bizarre crime scene, and I just kind of want to take a second to talk about it. We have our victim found in her bedroom. The rest of the house is completely fine, but it looks like there was a struggle within the bedroom. Kim had been on her own because her husband was working the night shift. So she spent the night alone in the house. She is undressed. Next to her body, which was found on the side of the bed. We have a broken pool cue, a dish towel, and a bloody knife. Beneath the bed is a fired a gun that had recently been fired. The gun was owned by the Dorsey, so it was their gun. It's not an external gun from anywhere else. And there's blood all over the room, even on the walls.
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Okay.
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What a scene that is.
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That is pretty interesting now.
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And the victim was undressed.
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Yeah. Now the gun going off. I mean, obviously she wasn't shot, right?
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No, she was not shot.
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So it's possible that in the middle of a struggle, she thought right away, or maybe she even saw the person coming. Who knows? But at some point, maybe she did go for the gun and then she tried to shoot it and it went off. But it didn't strike the person.
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Right. Or it didn't. It just wasn't fatal.
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It wasn't fatal. That's true. That's true. But that's what I think happened with that.
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Okay.
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You know, like maybe she tried to reach for the gun, the gun went off. But didn't.
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She used it in self protection and tried to.
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Yeah. And then it just didn't work out that well. But I don't know. That is. And then. Do they even have a pool table? What's with the pool cue? Like, I have so many questions.
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Yes, they do have a pool table. So the pool cue is from within the home.
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Okay. So I would. Is it safe to say all the weapons are from the home?
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The knife and the pool cue. Okay, we will find out. Are from within the home.
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Gotcha.
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Interesting, right?
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Very.
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The detectives and others at the scene were baffled by the suicide comment made by Derek just because they had never seen a more apparent homicide in their careers. Now, like I said, it's obvious that the first person that is going to be considered when someone is murdered is their spouse or the person they live with or the person that found them first. Right?
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Right.
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And Derek is the same person. He found her first, he lives with her and he is her spouse. So they. The normal suspicion is always going to lie on him, but it's compounded by the fact that Derek, in their opinion, not only falsely verified this as a suicide over the 911 call, but he tampered with the crime scene by running in, performing CPR despite knowing that she had passed away. So spreading his DNA all over her and the scene even more than it already would be because he lives in the house. But he messed with the scene and he put the comforter over her. So they feared that this might have been his attempt to cover up the crime scene even further. And they thought that the whole suicide claim was just a way to skew the investigation from the beginning.
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I mean, there is a lot stacked against him when you're looking. When you're looking at it on paper. I Just don't know yet, you know?
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Well, let's find out more.
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It's such a creepy scene, though.
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It's very creepy, and it's deeply disturbing because of these feelings. Derek was the first person who was spoken to by police. They want to know his alibi. He had said that as a paramedic for the fire department, he was required to work 24 hour shifts, and that was what he had been required to do. On Saturday the 27th, he explained that he got to the station at 8am Once he got there, he tried to call Kim, but she did not answer. Throughout the day, he said he tried to do the same thing. However, she never answered the phone. They asked if this made him nervous, and he said that it did not. It was not unusual if Kim was really busy not to call him back. So he really didn't think anything of it.
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Now, that's really strange, though, because you know me, K. If I was trying to call you, like, for an entire day and I didn't hear from you, I. I would have to resort to something to get ahold of you. I'd be really worried about you.
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Yeah, I think not Hearing back for 24 hours is odd. Even within a text message.
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Think about it. Even when I am at the grocery store and I'm like, oh, man, did she say light and fit Dannon or this? And I'm like. And then I call you, and then you don't answer. I'm like, what's wrong with her? And then I call again, and then I'm like, all right, well, I guess I'm just gonna buy both so I don't mess up. And then I come home and I go, babe, I was worried about you. Didn't answer for two times, like. And that's true. I do get like, that.
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We get nervous if we don't even answer the first time.
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Yeah. So, like, I can't imagine going that far of a stretch and not hearing back from your partner.
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24 hours is odd.
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24 hours. A very long time to not hear
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back 100% when you're trying to reach them several times.
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100%.
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So he said that he returned home a little after 8am after first stopping to meet a friend. So he didn't even. He didn't go directly home. We'll get more into that later. He got into the house and went directly up to the main bedroom, and that was when he found his wife face down on the floor. Now, this is a solid alibi and would be easy to verify. So they put it on the back burner. Right. There would be total evidence that he was in the firehouse for that 24 hour shift, because there'd be a lot of witnesses there.
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100 plus. If you're doing that, I'm, I'm sure you're punching in and punching out.
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Well, you definitely have to be there for your shift. You would be hunching in and punching out. But it's more of a solidified alibi because there's other people doing that 24 hour shift with you.
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100.
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And you can't leave, right?
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No, you can't leave.
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Right.
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I'm just saying there's so many things within that one alibi there that like, you know, you're punching in people see you, you're there with them. Like, you can't deny that.
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And the fact that it was apparent that she had been dead for hours and he had been at the firehouse during that time.
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Right.
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Now, just because he might have not committed the murder himself, it didn't mean that he didn't hire someone to do it though, because this couple does have access to a lot of money. They're a wealthy couple. So they asked Derek if there had been any problems in their relationship that they should know about. He admitted that there was and then confessed to the fact that he had been having an affair.
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Really?
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Yes. Okay, that was very interesting. They learned over time that there had been a few women that Derek had been talking to, meaning a relationship developed beyond the physical. But there were also some one night stands as well. So Derek, although you're saying you don't think there's red flags yet, seems like he's collecting them.
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No, I mean, right off the bat, I mean, you say that to me and, and he's got one strike. Because though it's not like there's a necessarily a clear and defined correlation between infidelity and murder, it can, I feel
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it can be a motive.
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It can be motive. Right. So now that's in the back of my mind, right.
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Correlation isn't causation, but it does tend to be a common motivator when a spouse kills another spouse.
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And as investigators, you hear that now you're going to dig deep on somebody and, and consider them a prime suspect. You might not have thought otherwise, but now that you have that as a problem in the marriage, they're going to dig deep to find out more about it.
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Exactly. Well, early the following day, the detectives received the results of Kim's autopsy. It revealed that her cause of death was blunt force trauma. To the head and a stab wound to the neck. He believed that the blunt force trauma was consistent with having been struck over the head with a pool cue, and that the reason why it was broken was because it was broken over her head. The stab wound was a 1 inch stab wound which punctured her jugular vein, so that meant that she had been alive during the stabbing. The report further stated that Kim's right ankle had a zip tie on it, and there were zip ties on both of her wrists. Based on the bruising around the zip ties, the medical examiner concluded that the victim had struggled against her bindings extensively. She also had bruising to the shoulder, arm, left breast, and left ear, as well as an abrasion on her chin and multiple injuries to her head and eyes. Kim also had other injuries to her face that suggested that she had been punched in the mouth with tremendous force.
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Oh, my God.
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So she had been beaten quite severely, like somebody else had been punching her in the face and in the head.
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This is crazy, but, like, with all these items being used in the commission of murder, it almost makes you want to, like, question, okay, well, how long was this going on for?
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It seemed like this was a very long and extensive attack, Especially because of the bruising around the zip ties, Meaning that it would have taken time and considerable struggle for her to have accumulated the bruising that she did around her ankles and her wrists. Now, when it comes to the sexual assault, this is more difficult. Not all rapes are the same or appear the same way. On an autopsy with a person, there's no clear cut test that can be given that says this person has been raped. That's not how it works. Because our bodies are different and offenders are different. There's just no way to 100% verify that someone has or has not been sexually assaulted or raped, Whether they're alive or have passed away. Sometimes these signs that medical examiners can see or doctors can see Are signs of tearing or trauma. And sometimes a person can be sexually assaulted, and there is no tearing or any type of trauma indicated. Now, in the case of Kim Dorsey, there was no physical signs of trauma to the victim's vaginal or anal areas. However, there was semen found in both locations. So we know that sex acts took place. And based on the fact that she was attacked, One could make that assumption, but it couldn't be verified that she was sexually assaulted. Yeah, which is something that's hard to convey to a jury because juries often just want to hear, like, there was trauma or tearing. But sometimes it just doesn't look like that.
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I personally believe so far, based on what I know, that the fact that she was tied up, so many items were used in her. In her murder.
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Right. It was a long attack, I feel
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like, because the items came from the home, even the gun. I really believe that there's a weird level of comfortability.
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She knows this attacker.
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Yes. Which then leads me to believe. Is it possible that we're dealing with the fact that she could possibly, maybe be having sexual acts with someone other than her husband the same way her husband's doing it to her?
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Right. But that's us making the assumption that she wasn't sexually assaulted. And that's not a rabbit hole that we want to go down because just because there's no signs of tearing or trauma, we don't want to make those assumptions.
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I know. I know. You're right.
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To me, if you know that Occam's Razor, like, what is the most obvious thing is most likely what happened. Right. You're. You're showing me a woman who has been stabbed in the neck, severely beaten, zip tied at her wrists and her hands, and you're saying that semen has been found in her vaginal and anal area. To me, as someone who has seen many true crime cases, I would say that. I would make that I would feel comfortable making that assumption that she had been sexually assaulted.
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Yes, I agree with you.
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And DNA was discovered beneath her fingernails. So she was trying to defend herself or attacking them in defense. And that had to have been done before the zip ties were even put on. So we're talking about an extensive attack.
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's a really long time. So I'm just trying to say, like, there is a weird level of comfortability. Comfortability. Whoever did this was in there for a very long time.
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Yeah.
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I just find that to be crazy, that.
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But it is like you said. And I don't want to take away from you.
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Right.
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Because there is a potentiality that if it's even a word, that there might have been a sex act done with someone she could have been. Maybe she knew about her husband's affair. Maybe she could have had sex with somebody I know. And then the other. They might not be the same semen samples.
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No, it might not be. All I'm saying is me making that call is a shot in the dark. But I understand what comes with saying that, because we don't want to minimize the attack. The attack. Right. I'm just saying that it's Possible that it could have been started as a one night stand or something like that and then turned ugly.
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I know what you're saying, because all the other signs point to the fact that the victim knew her attacker. Yeah, it's that they came into the house for a certain reason and then that something happened.
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Right. Because then think about it. They weren't there for murder and rape. They were there. Who. Who knows if they were there to have sex.
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Right.
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B
He. He was definitely there long enough where all the items came from the house. I don't know about the zip ties.
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A
Well, he might have known how and where to find items too, because, you know, automatically know where people keep their knives or pool cues, you know.
- [29:26]
B
Well, I would imagine the pool cues are by the pool table, but. No, I. I know it's a big shot in the dark, but I'm just throwing it out there. I don't want to go off on a tangent about it, but.
- [29:35]
A
Well, in addition to the autopsy, other information that was gained from the crime scene was that based on blood spatter patterns, Kim had sustained most of her injuries while she was on the floor of the master bedroom or on the bed and not standing. So she had been not in a position to defend herself during that time. The gun had also fired from the bedroom into the living room area, but seemed not to have hit anything. So like you said, she may have fired that gun in self defense but didn't hit her attacker. There were no signs of forced entry. So this and the fact that the weapons used to kill her or attack her were all found within the home suggested, like you said, that Kim most likely knew her killer. So that's going to give the detectives a huge direction to go into in the beginning of their investigation. The detectives asked Derek if there was anyone that would be able to gain entry into their house and who he believed that person or persons could be. He went and checked the front porch of the house, and that was when he noticed the statue that they had in front of their house had been knocked over. He explained that this is the location where they kept their front door key.
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B
Why? Why do people do this?
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A
Wait, I know.
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B
Guys, guys, listen. I. I know you might not all love me or like me, but just please listen. No dummy rocks, no statues. Do not leave your key anywhere that someone.
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A
Not under your mat.
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B
No, nothing.
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A
Nothing that's obvious.
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B
Just don't do it. You know, like nowadays especially, you guys can just get an electronic door lock, have a code and open it with your phone or, or punch in a code. Don't do it. Don't. No. No keys anywhere.
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A
I mean, between us, it's obviously very obvious. You know, like, look under a statue or there's a dummy rock somewhere or whatever. But Derek said that only a few people knew this. The first person he said, that knew of the key's location was a man by the name of Lance Kirkpatrick. Derek explained that Kirkpatrick used to be an employee for the Dorsey's side business, the construction company. The couple had become friends with him, and during a time of need, they agreed to let him live with them. Derek explained that this was the reason why he had first thought of him. Because not only would Kirkpatrick know how to get into the house, but he knew the layout from having lived there. But Derek followed this up with the fact that he didn't think Kirkpatrick would ever do something like this. Because they were such good friends. Good friends. Not just with him, but also with Kim. He said verbatim that he believed that Kirkpatrick was grateful for what they had done for him, that he would have taken a bullet for them. Plus, there was no way that he could have physically committed the murders. Because he was currently working on a shrimp boat in Georgia.
- [32:44]
B
I mean, I would. I. I mean, come on, man. I mean, we're talking about another guy who has access to your house and has lived there in the past. You don't think that that should have been the first thing, like, the real first thing that you tell investigators?
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A
Well, you have really good friends. If there was a possibility that it could have been them, that would. You would say the same thing. Well, there's no way that my friend would do that, especially if he's in another state.
- [33:09]
B
I mean, I get that. I get that, but, like, I don't know. I don't know. I. Maybe it's just because we're talking about it now. So, of course, after the fact I'm saying that. But I don't know. I mean, I guess I'm trusting to a point, you know, But. But. But God, I mean, God forbid that ever happened to you. I mean, I. I would be thinking right then and there. Of every possible person that I know that would have had access to could have done it. Right. I don't know if someone knows about my dummy rock. I mean, I'm gonna let the cops know.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like, right away. Hey, listen, this dude has the dummy rock key.
- [33:42]
A
Yes.
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B
Or in this case, the statue.
- [33:45]
A
Well, Derek also said that there was a second man that came to mind when the detectives asked him that question. And his name was Joshua Villa. Villa also worked for their construction company, but he was a lot younger than the Dorsey's, in his early 20s. He also had fallen on difficult times and Derek and Kim allowed him to stay in the house for a while also. They're really being nice with allowing people to live with them.
- [34:12]
B
I mean, it sounds like a hotel. Like what's going on here? I mean, I love my friends, but they're not living with me. No, I could tell you that right now. Could you imagine any of them? You know them all right now?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Any of them living with.
- [34:21]
A
There was a few times that one of your friend friends would stay because he need it to work in the city. So he was closer to stay at our house, remember? A few times.
- [34:30]
B
True.
- [34:31]
A
So I do, I do know what it's like and I don't. I do not feel like it should have been an extensive thing and I'm glad it wasn't.
- [34:39]
B
I'm just saying, like, I mean, it's
- [34:41]
A
a lot to take on to allow full time. I'm saying, well, you invite someone into your house in a time of need, you never really know when they're going to leave.
- [34:50]
B
I mean, yeah, you're asking for it at that point. That's like that show on Netflix that we were watching where it was like, they rent your worst roommates ever.
- [34:56]
A
Yes.
- [34:57]
B
They. They're like, oh, you want to rent the room?
- [34:59]
A
Crazy.
- [35:00]
B
Oh my God. And then like once they're in, you can't get them out.
- [35:03]
A
I'm happy with that one house. Did a good job with that.
- [35:05]
B
That was good. But yeah, psa. Don't let anybody rent any rooms from your house. For real. Don't.
- [35:10]
A
Seriously, don't.
- [35:11]
B
Yeah, don't.
- [35:12]
A
Everything seemed to really be working out when Villa was living there. They liked the fact they were helping this young kid, giving him a good opportunity because he was a good worker, he was sweet. But that good arrangement came to a screeching halt when the couple found out that he had been using drugs in their home. Later, once he stopped working for them, they heard that he had been unfortunately arrested for drug possession. So it seemed like they found him using drugs in their house. And not only did they ask him to leave their house, but but also the construction company. And they found out that since leaving their house and the company, his life had gone in a downward spiral. Now, Derek said he still cared about the kid and kept in contact with him to check up on him. But these are all potential motives.
- [36:08]
B
Oh, definitely. You're that you literally fired somebody.
- [36:11]
A
Now, an interesting fact was that Derek had an appointment to meet up with Josh Villa to talk with him about potentially coming back to the construction company before he came home that day. But Villa never showed up, so he just left. Okay, so he was supposed to meet with this kid before he went home.
- [36:34]
B
So potentially, you have two suspects that has had access to your house and literally has lived there before.
- [36:41]
A
And one has a drug problem. Not only has a drug problem, but has motive because his life went in a downward spiral after you fired him, probably blamed and kicked him out of your house. And you were supposed to meet with him the morning that you found your wife. Dad.
- [36:57]
B
I mean, that's crazy.
- [36:58]
A
Yeah. So could Villa have decided to go to the Dorsey's house to make things right with Kim before his meeting with Derek and things just went terribly wrong, or was this his, like, retribution and he wanted Derek to know that it was him and that's why he had set up that meeting?
- [37:15]
B
I don't know.
- [37:16]
A
It was a possibility because it. And what made things all the more real when it came to this was that Derek also then told detectives that he believed that Villa always had a crush on his wife. Kim's very beautiful woman.
- [37:32]
B
There's a lot here.
- [37:34]
A
Yeah.
- [37:34]
B
And we're unpacking this slowly, but there is a lot of people that could be involved in this.
- [37:39]
A
Yes. And detectives are like, oh, my God. Well, maybe this Josh Kidd really did commit this murder. But then at the same time, they're getting all this information from someone who's also a suspect, and it could he be trying to deter from himself.
- [37:54]
B
I think it's time to bring everyone in. Let's just. Let's bring all three men in and just like, let's see what's going on.
- [38:00]
A
Yeah, let's talk together about this.
- [38:02]
B
Yeah, let's have a sesh.
- [38:04]
A
Before they left and went to follow up on these leads regarding Kirkpatrick and Villa, they asked Derek to look around the house with them and point out anything that seemed out of place or if anything was missing. Now, this is Derek's first time being back in the house once it was released back to him after the investigation and the crime scene had been processed. And when looking around, the first thing that he noticed was that the TV and the stereo remotes were all placed in the sink in the kitchen.
- [38:36]
B
What?
- [38:37]
A
That's odd. It's never really where you put your remotes. And these were all for the entertainment center in the living room. Now, Derek said, well, this is weird because this isn't where we keep them. And he turns on the TV system, like, you know, like, presses a button. And you know how, like, things come up. And you young kids might not know about this, but there used to be something called a DVD player. And there's a main menu with a DVD that pops up when you first put a DVD in. So when he clicked one button, the main menu of a DVD popped up. And it was a porn dvd.
- [39:21]
B
Why? Okay, did he recognize it?
- [39:24]
A
No. Derek was a bit mortified when this popped up, you know, and he told the detectives that this wasn't his or Kim's. And he was confused who could have or would have put this in the DVD player. And he said, like, my wife's not the kind of. Like, she doesn't watch porn. Like, we don't have porn DVDs.
- [39:46]
B
Okay, so that's a very odd find then.
- [39:49]
A
Very bizarre.
- [39:50]
B
Very bizarre find.
- [39:52]
A
So they asked him if he could think of anything that would, like, pop up in his mind about a possible porn DVD or the TV system or anything. And he said actually, and this is crazy because so many things happened before this murder, right? These two house guests and now this. He said the day before the murder. So on October 27, they had a TV repair man come out to the house.
- [40:21]
B
So the. The repairman put the DVD in?
- [40:25]
A
No, not that he put the DVD in, but the couple had wanted their tv, stereo, DVD system to be simplified. Like, they had four remotes, and they wanted them to all be comb, so it wasn't so complicated.
- [40:38]
B
Universal remote.
- [40:39]
A
Correct. Okay, so Derek said that maybe the repair man, who he remembered his name being junior, took a liking to Kim because Kim had been the one that was home and dealt with him while he was fixing their TV and kind of setting up this universal remote. And he said that since he was in the house for so long, that he would have known the general layout and maybe he had come back to do this to Kim.
- [41:07]
B
I think it's a little bit of a stretch, but can I. Can I make another observation? I know that he was doing his thing on the side.
- [41:14]
A
He was having affairs, one night stands.
- [41:16]
B
Okay? Now, what if. Let's just say it's a what if chance here, but maybe she was aware of them and maybe this, that was her weird, desperate attempt to spice up their. Their marriage via some kind of porn dvd. But he doesn't want to own up to that.
- [41:31]
A
Maybe, maybe. Or maybe this is just something that she could have been into. He just didn't know.
- [41:37]
B
That's also she is home alone. Maybe. Maybe he's just trying to spare the embarrassment or whatever. Not that it matters, but you know what I'm trying to say.
- [41:45]
A
There's a lot of things that might not be said or known regarding this. This doesn't necessarily mean this is a clue. It's something that's odd.
- [41:55]
B
It is odd.
- [41:56]
A
The fact the remotes are in the sink is what's odd.
- [42:00]
B
Yeah, well, that way I didn't even get to that. But. Yes, but I just wanted to make that little observation. Because maybe it does have something to do with them trying to spice things up. Some people are into that. I don't know. I can't speak for everyone, but.
- [42:10]
A
Right.
- [42:10]
B
You know.
- [42:12]
A
So first the detectives go to speak with Junior. Because he would be the easiest to track down. So this is the guy who was working on the TV at the time. He told them that he knew nothing about the crime and that he hadn't been involved in it. While they were talking, the detectives noticed that the man had cuts on his hand. When they asked him about it, he said that the cuts came from working with wires all the time. They also see that he had zip ties in his work box. So this wasn't looking good for him. However, they had no further information regarding his involvement. So they obviously are going to take his information and tell him not to leave town. Because he's on the suspect list. But he's definitely on the back burner. Because his motive would have to be like that. If he's the kind of guy that's gonna meet a woman, go into her house, and it's going to be so obviously tracked back to him. He's someone that's going to be a deviant of some sort. Or he's going to have some type of record. And this man had a completely clean record. So they didn't think that he would be somebody to do this. So they had him on the back burner. They think there's more people who are more likely. Because if he did, that meant Kim didn't know her attacker. And if he did come to the house to attack Kim, he would have most likely brought an outside weapon right after Derek and the TV repair man. The next suspect that was contacted was Josh. Based on his record, which they had pulled up, he was a known drug addict. So Derek had been, you know, telling the truth. He had serious knowledge about what the Dorsey's house looked like. He knew how to get in where the key was to their front door. He had had a crush on Kim. And according To Derek. He had gone missing after the murder when he didn't show up to meet him. When finally found for questioning, Josh admitted to the detectives that he was attracted to Kim, but denied that they ever had a physical relationship or that she gave him any indication that she was attracted to him. He seemed genuinely confused as to why he was there. And when they told him that Kim had been murdered, he was devastated about this. It seemed as if his emotional response was sincere. And after questioning, Josh was the lowest on the suspect list after the repairman. So he's working his way down the suspect list as well. Even though it seemed like this was, you know, the person who had done it, they just didn't think so because of his reaction to hearing about Kim's murder. When the TV repairman came down to the station to have a formal interview the same day, he is going to provide fingerprints, DNA, and an alibi for him. His DNA did not match the semen found, nor were his fingerprints anywhere but around the TV system and the remotes. So that is going to clear him of all suspicion. And the same can be said for Josh Villa. So that left only Lance Kirkpatrick, who they needed to talk to. But so far, he'd been really hard to track down. So they made it known throughout the department that they were trying to get in contact with him, and they kind of really wanted to talk to law enforcement in Georgia because maybe they could help, you know, just question him to find out if he had been in Georgia. So they reach out to the whole department, like, hey, does anyone have any contacts in Georgia? Because otherwise, I mean, he's out on commercial fishing at sea. So they're like, it's going to be hard to talk to this guy.
- [46:09]
B
Oh, yeah, absolutely. Until they, like, come into port.
- [46:11]
A
But the detectives finally caught a break the following day when one of their colleagues sent them over a flagged vehicle report. This was related to them because the name that they had flagged into the system, Lance Kirkpatrick, showed up on the report. It turned out that Kirkpatrick was not in Georgia on a shrimp boat, but rather, he was in Jacksonville, Florida, stealing an suv.
- [46:38]
B
Okay, well, that's not good.
- [46:41]
A
Well, there you go.
- [46:42]
B
Okay, well, let's talk to this guy, please.
- [46:44]
A
So the detectives looked into Lance Kirkpatrick the same way they did Josh. They found out that Kirkpatrick was a 31 year old and had spent some time in the army, but had been kicked out for failing a drug test. According to the police report about the stolen vehicle, apparently Kirkpatrick had been at a party in the early morning hours of October 27, the day of the murder. He borrowed a woman's SUV and never came back with it. So the detectives obviously want to speak with him about the murder, but there was no current address on either report. So they chose to speak with his acquaintances that had been at the party with which they knew about because of this stolen vehicle report. One man, Brian Keefer, who was also his roommate, said that he had left the party with the SUV because he was supposed to have gone out to buy drugs for everybody, but he had never returned. So this is a bit of an odd situation, and there's a lot involved in it. At one point, it seems like they sent Lance out to go get drugs, and he didn't return with the amount that they wanted. So the people at the party were saying, like, well, you owe us x amount of money for the drugs that you didn't return with. So then he left to go out again to basically get them more drugs or get them money back. And that second time was when he went missing with the car. He never returned.
- [48:21]
B
Okay.
- [48:21]
A
Well, that's like he got himself in trouble at the party and then left again.
- [48:25]
B
Right.
- [48:26]
A
Under the guise of righting his wrong is what seemingly happened that night.
- [48:32]
B
Okay.
- [48:33]
A
And that obviously wasn't in the stolen vehicle report, but his roommate is. Kiefer is going to. Brian Kiefer is going to explain that. He said that when Kirkpatrick never returned, they went out looking for him, but couldn't find him or the car anywhere. Now, people were obviously upset because they had given him money. They were waiting for him to, you know, give him their money back or get more drugs. And also, the other woman, you know, wants her car back.
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B
Yeah. Naturally, I. I don't know why you would give him your car in the first place, but.
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A
Yeah, not a second time. Right. The following day, Kiefer saw Kirkpatrick in their apartment, and he noticed that his hand was injured. And he described his appearance as nervous and distressed. So the following day was when he returned the car, and he comes back with an injured hand and is nervous.
- [49:32]
B
Okay.
- [49:32]
A
But the real kicker was that Kirkpatrick told Brian Kiefer, I killed someone, and I think I'm going to jail.
- [49:42]
B
Okay. Oh, man.
- [49:45]
A
Yeah. Kirkpatrick told Kiefer that he went to the victim's home and they fought. He stated that he shattered a pool cue on the victim. Okay. So this guy. This is very clear, because obviously none of this information has been released via the press. So the Fact that Brian Keefer knows a pool cue was involved, it means he's telling the truth. And we know Lance Kirkpatrick is the guy.
- [50:10]
B
It has to be. And now knowing that, now knowing that, of course it makes sense. Think about it. He owes somebody. He owes people money. Well, guess what. You have a key. You know where a key is to somebody who has money?
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A
Correct.
- [50:24]
B
And you can just go there and lift up their fake rock and go inside.
- [50:28]
A
Yep. Even if it's just to steal some things, you could get money.
- [50:32]
B
Yes. Which then kind of sparks that whole motive as to even why you were there.
- [50:37]
A
Yep. Kirkpatrick said that the victim fired five shots at him from a different room in the home, but missed. Well, we know that happened, too.
- [50:46]
B
Yes. Wow.
- [50:48]
A
He confessed that he thought the victim was trying to escape when he heard the victim opening a window in the bedroom. He entered the bedroom, beat the victim, and stabbed her in the neck. And we know this all to be true.
- [51:03]
B
Jeez.
- [51:05]
A
Kirkpatrick told Kiefer that he left the house after killing the victim, but returned later to clean the home. Kirkpatrick stated that he did not take any items from the home, so the victim's husband would be blamed for the murder. So not only did he kill his friend's wife, he was trying to frame him for it as well.
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B
Okay,
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A
wow.
- [51:31]
B
Could I. Could I say, like, right now I. I feel guilty for, you know, going that direction where I thought maybe she was involved, you know, in a marital affair. Yeah, I. I feel bad now.
- [51:43]
A
Don't feel bad.
- [51:44]
B
It was a shot in the dark, and I'm wrong.
- [51:45]
A
Listen, it's a complicated thing because you never know which direction it came in, and we don't know. And that's why it's so difficult when it comes to victims and who have been murdered that have been sexually assaulted, because sometimes it just truly doesn't show up on an autopsy. And you don't know if it is consensual sex or sexual assault. And that makes it really more complicated. I mean, here at least, it's nice that we have. I mean, here at least it's convenient that we have the perpetrator saying this happened. We don't normally get that. So then we have to play a guessing game. And that makes it all the more to guess, right? When there's no clear cut sign.
- [52:36]
B
I love how he completely left out the part where he zip tied her and, you know.
- [52:40]
A
Well, of course he did.
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B
And all the other bad stuff that
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A
followed, like, they all mitigate the damages. They've done.
- [52:46]
B
It's great. Coward.
- [52:48]
A
Well, I mean, even before they spoke with Lance Kirkpatrick, they realized he was their guy. The guy that casually left out the rape from his description. So they theorized about what could have happened potentially. Lance Kirkpatrick drove the SUV to Kim's house, raped and killed her. He also. You stole a car to go there like this. We always say, thank God that criminals are not smart.
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B
Right?
- [53:20]
A
And this man is one of them. He was definitely in a desperate place. They assumed that he had taken the money from the people at the party to go buy drugs. He needed to get them their money back. And he had. He couldn't. So now he's going to go to their house. Like you said, I know a couple that has things that I could. Or a way that I could get money. And it's from this wealthy couple. They also believe that he had gone on a bender himself. Like the reason why those people didn't get everything was because he used it all. He took the pills, Right? So he was on a bender himself. So he's highly under the influence. Well, this. While this all is happening. And desperate. So that's a dangerous combination. And he goes to the Dorsey house to get himself out of trouble. And by the way, we're talking about him only owing $160. It's no astronomical amount here. He knew the house. He knew where the key was kept. And maybe Kim confronted him and he took out his aggression or anger on her. Right? I mean, these are his friends. But look, their life is totally different than his own. This was a possibility because it would explain the struggles. The fact that the weapons came from within the home. And the mysterious gunshots. It's like everything is tied up in a neat bow. An arrest warrant was issued for Lance Kirkpatrick. And after a few days, the Jacksonville Police Department received a tip that he was hiding in an apartment of a friend in town. He was arrested and brought in for questioning. By this time, the police had accrued more evidence. They found the stolen SUV that Kirkpatrick had been driving pulled into the gated community that the Dorsey's lived in.
- [55:19]
B
This is unbelievable.
- [55:20]
A
They had video footage of it. So when they were talking to him, they told him that we have footage of you driving into their community. And he admitted to having visited Kim at her house the day of the murder, but claimed that he first rang the bell, but no one answered, so he left.
- [55:38]
B
Okay, man.
- [55:39]
A
Okay, dude. The detectives let Kirkpatrick know that they were not believing this. They told him that they knew that he knew where the key was to the front door, and that where the key had been had been disturbed, so they knew that he had accessed it. So even if he had rung the doorbell and she didn't answer, they knew that he got in the way, that he knew how to. They said, we know you arrived right when Derek left, and you knew that he would have been gone 24 hours, so you would be alone with Kim. They even had a report from a neighbor saying how long the SUV had been parked outside the Dorsey home for hours. But still, he admitted nothing. They had no choice but to end the interview and arrest him for the murder of Kim Dorsey. Burglary and sexual battery. The trial against Lance Kirkpatrick began on April 8, 2015. The prosecution had an easy job. Kirkpatrick really set them up for it. Their theory was that Kirkpatrick showed up looking for money or something to sell from the Dorsey home in order to settle his drug debt. But while there, things went south, and Kim tried to call the police, which prompted the sexual assault and attack. The reason the weapons came from inside the house was because it had not been premeditated. At one point, Kim must have broken free from her restraints and got to the gun at her bedside table. But because of all the blood in her eyes, as stated by the medical examiner, she missed every shot she fired at Kirkpatrick.
- [57:28]
B
Oh, man, that is crazy.
- [57:31]
A
It was a brutal attack. And before Kim died, the jury was told that she went through a tremendous amount of pain. In addition to presenting the theory, the prosecution had evidence. Testimony from people at the party, from his roommate, from the neighbor that saw the SUV parked outside of the Dorsey home, the footage from the front gates of the community, the medical examiner explaining her injuries. But most damning of all, an expert witness that testified that the semen found inside of Kim Dorsey and beneath her fingernails all matched Lance Kirkpatrick.
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B
I mean, it.
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A
The.
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B
The evidence is 100.
- [58:17]
A
It's overwhelming.
- [58:18]
B
Damning. It's overwhelming, yeah.
- [58:20]
A
The defense only presented one witness. Well, could only present one witness, and it was Lance Kirkpatrick himself. According to him, he had gone out to buy drugs in the suv, but instead, he went to the Dorsey home to retrieve items that he had left there. He claimed that Kim had let him in. Oh, so in the middle of your drug run, you're like, oh, let me just go pick up some items I. I've been meaning to get. He said that the two of them had consensual sex in the main bedroom.
- [58:54]
B
That's what he's Claiming yes. Okay.
- [58:56]
A
He claimed to have stayed for a while, but eventually Kim got into a fight with him because she accused him of encouraging Derek to cheat on him. He said Kim became so enraged that she took the gun out of her nightstand and began shooting at him, but missed every time. He said he swung the pool cue at her to defend himself and get control of the gun. So you're telling me you're the friend that he goes out with to have his one night stands and affairs, and this is something that Derek would later admit, like, Lance was someone who, you know, he would go out party with and sometimes he would have one night stands. So the wife of that man, instead of being mad at you, is gonna have an affair with you.
- [59:47]
B
That makes no sense.
- [59:48]
A
It makes no sense.
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B
You know what?
- [59:49]
A
She's so angry at you for this, but she's gonna sleep with you first.
- [59:53]
B
Once again, the defense is trying to come with whatever they could do to, like, minimize his level of responsibility or that he even did it right.
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A
And it totally doesn't make sense, the pool cue thing, because he would have had to. So you're telling me you don't like that this woman is attacking you? She got a gun. So a woman pulls a gun on you, and instead of you running downstairs and getting out of the house, you run downstairs, get a pool cue, and then go back upstairs and return and return to the person holding a gun.
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B
That's not the normal fight or flight response. Or like, that is not the normal thing to do. That is literally like bringing a knife to a gunfight. Why would you do that?
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A
Right. You brought a pool cue to a gunfight, right?
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B
So like, you're getting shot at, and you. You run in the house, grab that and return. It doesn't make sense.
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A
No sense.
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B
None at all.
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A
He then said. And it goes on to further not make sense. He then said that he realized once she was unconscious from him striking her with the pool cue over the head, that he restrained her with zip ties so she wouldn't react like that again.
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B
Okay, okay. This is adding such insult to the victim here. Like 100. It's. That's ridiculous.
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A
It's a shame.
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B
It is.
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A
He then assumed that a neighbor would call the police after hearing the gunshots. So he waited for them to arrive. But then. Because he could say, like, oh, she was trying to attack me. But then. But then he was like, well, the zip ties might look bad. So he said that he went into the kitchen to get a knife and he tried to cut the zip ties off of Kim. But the victim regained consciousness, struggled for the knife, and he said while they were struggling over the knife, he stabbed her.
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B
Okay, I can't. I can't even listen to it anymore.
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A
It's the most ridiculous story I've ever.
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B
You're not the victim here. She is.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And you're responsible for it.
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A
And then he still waited for the police to show up, assuming that a neighbor called. And when the police didn't show up, he decided to leave the house.
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B
Well, I mean, he was certainly in there for a very long time, but it wasn't for that reason. I could tell you that.
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A
He could have just. If. If this were true, any part of this, he could have run out of
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B
the home at any time. And you would imagine was once she started shooting at him, that's when I
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A
would run out of it.
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B
I don't know. His story is such bs and like
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A
you said, an insult to the victim.
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B
Yeah. And once again, I will take responsibility. I. I was just trying a shot in the dark and it didn't work out.
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A
Well, don't worry.
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B
But I'm glad that we now know that he's full of.
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A
And the truth and the.
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B
Kim, once again, I want. I always like to admit a wrong. I. I worded it weird, so I hope no one's upset with that. I was just trying a shot in the dark and trying to come up with how that whole crime scene came to be. But I'm glad now we know that his entire story is bs.
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A
Right.
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B
You know, and it is an insult for him to do that and to say that like that's your defense. Because she's the victim and she was fighting for her life.
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A
Right. And you're trying to make her out to be this crazy person.
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B
Right.
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A
Which is. Tends to be the narrative with women. We're all crazy.
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B
Yeah, I. I know. I know what you mean.
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A
So he is going to give this testimony and the defense is going to rest. And I also, like, I guess that's like subtle shade from the defense attorney being like, this is the only thing I can do for you, buddy.
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B
Yeah, he's gonna leave now.
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A
You are so guilty. The jury obviously did not believe Lance Kilpatrick's story. He was found guilty on all counts first degree murder, burglary of a dwelling, and sexual battery. He was sentenced to three consecutive life sentences.
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B
Good.
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A
For all three crimes. Since his sentencing, he has lost all of his attempts to appeal his verdict.
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B
Good.
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A
I completely agree. And that's where the story ends. And it's just sad for Kim, because she had really accomplished everything that she was working towards in life. She was extremely successful. She was working on getting a good handle on her mental health. And, you know, hopefully she could have either worked things out with her husband, Derek. I don't know if that was worth it. Because of all the affairs he was having, it didn't seem like it was something he was doing once. It seemed like he was a serial cheater. So maybe she could have found happiness with somebody else and started a family, but she'll never be able to have that life because it was stolen from her.
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B
Right. And because of that, he should no longer have his.
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A
And he doesn't. He's in jail. Good for three life sentences. Oh.
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B
I mean, justice was served. I do feel bad for her.
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A
I completely agree. Okay, well, before we end the podcast, what we want to do is we want to thank our new supporters on Patreon. So we just want to say thank you to Jessica and Rojo. Abigail Wenzel, Dayton Batts, Rebecca Melanie Morse, Jessica Kopchia. By chance, Melissa H. Imani Courtney Scott, Jess Jacqueline Pennet, April Kimberly Nyman, Jennifer Anderson Alida Button Violet Hernandez, Katie Berglund Angel Ann Speck Janita Tyra Lo Streeto Sarah Myers Barbara Ernest, Ashley Stevens, Lisa Nicole Reed, Paula Pettner, Tanya Shandel, Amanda Cahill, Kayla Foster, Annie Bufkin, Mehdi Tara Byrne, Naomi Terry, Katherine Johnston, Stephanie Newman, Sheila Cole Kendall Kovach, JR McQuoid, Caitlin McNally, Tiffany Smith, Rachel Jill Bayes Gay Fosh JH Jade Bolton Satori Livia Soares Skylan White Mary Jones Jessica D. Desiree Marsh Charlotte Jamie Valentine Lily B. Katelyn Allred Holly Cobb, Danny Rodriguez Lisa Farrell, Sarah Taylor Cory Darmiento Nina Miller Crystal Melanie, Alex Erin Harbin Kayla H. Kayla Foster Haley Stevens Tara Alicia Albrecht Kelly H. Monica B. Simmons Pamela Murphy Charlotte Maybach Courtley Iris Cervantes Jessica Daniela Garcia Lily Harvey Robert Scholte Rebecca the Flub Chloe Nancy Campbell Holly Cobb Kinga Bednarchak Libby Knight Emily Sanchez Steve Roberts Evelyn Vallais Emma Rory White Olivia Tavares Justin Barton, Jaden Holland Katie Scudlarik Melinda Garofalo Jordan Deruse Jennifer Kovach Katie Jordan A. Stephanie Devine Ann Taylor, thank you so much for joining Patreon. We hope you guys are enjoying. That was a really long list because we just have waited so long to do it. But it'll be shorter next time. Well, hopefully not because we hope more people join Patreon. But until next time, guys, don't park next to vans. Bye.
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