Karina Holmer /// Part 1 /// 937

Summary

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True Crime Garage – Episode 937: Karina Holmer /// Part 1 (June 23, 2026)

Overview

In this gripping episode, hosts Nic and the Captain launch a deep dive into the unsolved 1996 murder of Karina Holmer, a 20-year-old Swedish au pair whose bisected body was discovered in a Boston dumpster. Through their signature mix of detailed case review and conversational banter, the Garage explores the haunting facts around Karina’s short-lived American dream, her brutal killing, and the investigative roadblocks encountered by police. Part 1 delves into her background, the crime scene, forensic findings, and her final hours out in Boston.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Discovery of the Crime Scene

[06:43]

• On June 23, 1996, a homeless man searching for cans in a Fenway neighborhood dumpster found Karina’s upper torso in a forest green trash bag.
• The body had been cleanly severed at the waist; her lower half was never found.
• “A white woman's arm spilled out, nail polish still on her fingers. The homeless man, traumatized, reportedly ran screaming down the street for someone to summon the police.” – Nic (06:54)
• No signs of defensive wounds or significant trauma, save for ligature marks on her neck.
• Cause of death: ligature strangulation (rope, cord, or wire), body was drained of blood and washed.
• A power saw was used for the bisection; investigators found a possible saw blade in the dumpster.

2. Forensic & Investigative Challenges

[09:59], [33:32]

• No defensive wounds, possible toxicology hindered by lack of blood.
• A partial fingerprint was lifted from the trash bags, but "it was not deemed of good quality." – Nic (34:34)
• The trash bags were common, widely distributed types—not traceable to a specific buyer.
• Forensic tool mark analysis brought in the FBI to try matching the saw blade.

3. Victimology: Who Was Karina Holmer?

[13:41]

• Karina was described as responsible, sensible, and "not a reckless young woman."
• Grew up in a tiny Swedish village, active in sports and clubs, dreamed of owning a restaurant.
• Won a lottery, which paid for her move to America to work as an au pair.
• Employed by Frank Rapp and Susan Nichter, artists living in affluent Dover, MA.
• On weekends, she stayed at the family’s city apartment in South Boston.

  "She was allowed to stay there on weekends rent-free. The neighborhood was mostly populated by young people in their 20s." – Nic (24:57)

• Described as sociable, fun, with a close group of Swedish expat and au pair friends. Not known to party alone.

4. Living & Social Situation in Boston

[21:38], [24:56]

• During weekdays, Karina was on call for childcare; weekends offered independence.
• The weekend she went missing, she and friends partied for the Swedish midsummer solstice—a holiday.
• Used a fake ID to enter clubs (age 19, US legal age 21).
• Frequented Club Zanzibar and Mercury Bar, both popular among international youth.

5. Events of Karina’s Final Night

[43:22] to [55:08]

• Friday night, June 21: Hosted friends at her apartment, then went out clubbing.
• Witnesses saw her barhopping until 2am; at closing time, she was very intoxicated—observed with her "head in her arms" passed out at a high top in Zanzibar.
• Club staff called a taxi for her, but by the time someone went to escort her out, "she's gone." – Nic (49:12)
• Questions raised about friends not ensuring her safe return:

  "I don't like her friends. Where are they at? Why are they leaving her behind?" – Captain (49:47)

• Eyewitness says she left with an "older man" going to an after-hours party; another witness describes seeing her dancing with a homeless man in the alley as late as 3:20am.
• Multiple potential sightings after 3am—one at a convenience store (Store 24, now a 7-Eleven) possibly as late as 4 am, but no corroborating camera footage.

6. Theories on Motive & Dismemberment

[12:52], [66:08]

• Three main theories: the killer needed to bisect her to facilitate transport; possibly to hide sexual assault evidence; potentially motivated by sexual or other sadistic fantasy.
• The hosts lean toward practicality:

  “I am of the belief that the dismemberment was simply for...practical reasons rather than sadistic reasons.” – Nic (66:08)

• Bisection likely to allow easy transport/disposal, especially from an apartment building where concealment is key.

  "You have to make the pieces smaller so you can transport...the pieces." – Captain (67:16)

7. Reflections on Location & Opportunity

[67:16]

• Both hosts suspect the killer lived or had access to a nearby apartment: dismemberment in city apartments suggests need to minimize risk of detection.
• Dumping was likely late Saturday night–early Sunday morning, “under the cover of night.”
• Nic notes:

  "If this dumpster was picked up, they may have never found Karina. If they don't find Karina, there is no homicide investigation." (68:03)

• With little social history in the U.S., Karina’s limited connections made tracking her last movements especially difficult for investigators.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "A terrible find on a Sunday afternoon. This is going to lead to an autopsy. Of course." – Nic (07:20)
• “The dismemberment is telling us one thing, my friend. We're dealing with a different kind of monster.” – Captain (13:02)
• "She was not known to go out alone." – Nic (27:40)
• "The thing here that...will give you some confidence...Boston...big department, big resources..." – Nic (38:14)
• "Her weekends were filled with bar hopping with friends who considered her an angel." – Nic (27:40)
• "If you're the wife, you hire a Mrs. Doubtfire." – Captain (20:11)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [04:11] – Intro to the Karina Holmer case
• [06:43] – Crime scene discovery and autopsy findings
• [13:41] – Karina Holmer's biography and family background
• [24:56] – Living situation and host family’s perspective
• [33:32] – What evidence was found? Trash bags, fingerprints, forensics
• [43:22] – Timeline: Karina’s final night and last sightings
• [51:23] – Theories on abduction, friend's report: leaving "with an older man"
• [59:05] – Timeline gap: 36 hours unaccounted for between disappearance and body discovery
• [61:33] – Comparison to other dismemberment crimes, focus on power tools as evidence
• [66:08] – Analysis: Why was she bisected? Discussion about logistics and concealment

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Episode Tone & Style

Conversational and respectful, with deep curiosity and empathy for Karina, mixed with plainspoken theorizing and the hosts’ trademark blend of seriousness and garage-humor.

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode sets the table for a multi-part investigation into the Karina Holmer case, taking listeners through the horrific discovery, the complicated forensic challenges, her vibrant yet brief life in Boston, and leads up to the most perplexing aspects of the case: why this promising 20-year-old’s life was cut short and how her killer has evaded justice for three decades. Nic and the Captain keep the energy brisk and inquisitive, encouraging audience speculation and reflection—while always respecting Karina’s humanity and the ongoing pain of her unsolved murder.

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Next episode will continue the investigation, looking deeper into possible suspects, theories, and further details of the Boston police case file.

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The murder of Karina Homer, a 20 year old Swedish au pair, is one of the most brutal and haunting unsolved crimes in Boston's history. This homicide, as of this release, has been unsolved now for 30 years. Karina Holmer disappeared after a night of dancing and drinking in downtown Boston. The following afternoon, on June 23, 1996, her severed upper torso was discovered in a dumpster, sparking a massive investigation that yielded thousands of leads but zero charges. To submit a tip regarding the unsolved 1996 murder of Karina Homer, you can contact the Boston Police Department unsolved homicide Unit directly at 617-343-4470. Or for the anonymous tip line, call the Crime stoppers hotline at 1-800-494-TIPS. That's tips 8477. Or text the word tip to crime. And that number is 27463. The case remains active and investigators are continuously seeking any information that could lead to a breakthrough in this week's true crime story. A young woman comes to the United States to pursue the American dream. She does everything right. She finds a safe position in childcare. She leads a relatively low risk lifestyle. She follows the rules, is considered sensible and reliable. But suddenly, after a night out with friends at some Boston clubs, she disappears. She's not missing for long, or at least half of her is not. The other half, her lower half, has never been found. And presents a mystery now three decades old. This is True Crime Garage. And this is the case of Karina Homer.

[Nick]

At 1:30 on a balmy Sunday afternoon, this is June 23, 1996. A homeless man was rifling through a dumpster behind an apartment building in the Fenway area of Boston. The homeless guy was looking for cans and bottles that he could return for some quick cash. But in sorting through the dumpster's contents, he noted a large forest green trash bag, which was placed over the opening of another large green trash bag. And the contents were solid, firm and very heavy. So he opened the bag. A white woman's arm spilled out, nail polish still on her fingers. The homeless man, traumatized, reportedly ran screaming down the street for someone to summon the police. Boston PD responded to the dumpster and immediately called in the detective squad. Detective Thomas O', Leary, a classic Boston Irish name, inspected the two trash bags and their contents, which weighed about 48 pounds. The female arm was part of an intact top Half of a woman. She had been neatly severed in two at the waist. Her bottom half was not in this dumpster. A terrible find on a Sunday afternoon. This is going to lead to an autopsy. Of course. The young woman's body had no markings, no bruises, no significant scratches, cuts, or any signs of defensive wounds or even a struggle. No signs of a struggle on the body, or at least this portion of the body that was recovered from the dumpster. The only markings seem to be here, Captain, those that are relating to her cause of death. The pathologist examined the markings on the neck found on the neck of the dead young woman. Those, plus the other signs of strangulation, such as petechia and edemia of the lungs, called for a ruling that she had died from ligature strangulation. So please note here, not manual strangulation, ligature strangulation. So a rope or cord was most likely the implement used here to cause her death. After death, the victim had been efficiently cut in half with a large toothed blade consistent with a power saw, and her body had been drained of blood and washed. There was no sign of post mortem blood pulling because, well, there was no blood. The police have not revealed what kind of saw was used, if they know. But according to the Boston Herald, quote, among the items police were seen collecting from the dumpster and, or we should note, the one next to it was a round metal disc that appeared to be a blade for a circular saw, but investigators would not confirm that.

[Captain]

So we have no defensive wounds, but we have marks of strangulation and then we have body dismemberment.

[Nick]

Yes. And when we say drained of blood,

[Captain]

that could have happened during the dismemberment?

[Nick]

Well, absolutely, it would have. I mean, I, I, I think that it would be highly unlikely that someone went to the effort of draining the blood and then decided to cut the victim in half.

[Captain]

Right.

[Nick]

I want to note something here. With the ligature strangulation and the lack of any type of defensive wounds, we do need to keep in mind that there could have been marks on this woman, on this victim that simply weren't seen because unfortunately, we've not recovered the entire body here.

[Captain]

Right.

[Nick]

I think that it's probably not likely because we have recovered the upper half, and that's typically where you will see defensive wounds, where you would see additional ligature wounds, where you would see bruising, signs of an attack or any type of trauma. Ligature strangulation. This could be as simple as someone choking her, strangling her from behind with a cord or rope. Or wire or anything of that nature. Yeah, I would like to know a little bit more about the marks and the markings on the neck area, because I think that could be a little more telling. The investigators since have made mention of a power saw implying that a power tool was indeed used. The FBI's tool mark program was consulted to try to determine the specific blade utilized here. But if investigators are certain about the specific implement used, they have never stated so publicly. The young woman had been killed very shortly before being disposed of. Quote, she wasn't dead very long, end quote. This was an unknown Boston Police Department officer, quote, and then another officer referred to the situation saying the body was fresh. Her body was subjected to analysis using super glue fuming and alternative light sources in hopes of locating trace evidence. Investigative theories arising from the cause of death included accidental death during bondage as part of sexual activity. Or she could have just been strangled by someone who wanted her dead. As for why she was bisected and disposed of separately, there were essentially three theories right out the gate here from the general public. One was that her killer needed to cut her in half in order to facilitate transportation and disposal. Two, it was possible he wanted to hide evidence of sexual assault.

[Captain]

Well, that's maybe why we don't find the bottom half.

[Nick]

And three was that he was a sicko who had some kind of paraphilia. That invol dismemberment.

[Captain]

Yeah, well, the dismemberment is telling us one thing, my friend. We're dealing with a different kind of monster.

[Nick]

On hearing the news that an unidentified young woman had been found dead, several Swedish au pairs contacted the Boston Police Department saying that they had not heard from their friend in about 36 hours time. And their friend, her name was Karina Homer. Karina was identified at the morgue by a traumatized friend who had been out with Karina that Friday night. By Sunday morning, half of Karina was in a dumpster.

[Captain]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And her other half was nowhere to be found. Let's get into the victimology here and learn a bit about our victim. Her name again is Karina Erica Homer. She was born on September 7, 1975, and she was the second oldest of four daughters.

[Captain]

Well, like you said, she's. She's Swedish, but she's coming to America. She's in Boston for work.

[Nick]

Correct. And her father is a Swedish metal worker born in Sweden. And her mother was from Germany. So she was Swedish and grew up in the village of Skilling Yard, a dairy farming village of barely 100 residents. As a child, Karina was sporty and outdoorsy. She was in the Swedish equivalent of the Girl Scouts. She was an avid horseback rider and chairman of her pony club. And she participated in sports, including running cross country. The Boston Herald newspaper reported that Karina was a tough girl who knew what she wanted to be. This according to a neighbor of hers named Iris Hansen. The two grew up together. She said that she always pushed forward and wanted to be what she wanted to be. You could tell that at an early time. So it sounds like, according to the neighbor and what we know about her, as you said, traveling to America and finding work here in Boston, that she wanted to get out of this little tiny village that she grew up in and move on to what she perceived to be bigger and better things. The neighbor went on to say that she was not a reckless young woman.

[Captain]

Right.

[Nick]

She said, today you often yell at young people for not behaving, but these girls, there have not been any problems. She's referring to Karina and her sisters. Karina graduated high school in 1994 and her ambition was to own a restaurant. So she attended a two year business school studying restaurant management. Then she worked as a chef and waitress in restaurants to gain experience. She decided that she wanted to try to relocate to the United States to expand her options, as encouraged by her sister.

[Captain]

So her coming to Boston to be a nanny is just the start of the opportunity. That's not the final destination.

[Nick]

I think it's a stepping stone, or at least she was hoping that it may be right. And sometimes, look, we, we fall in love with that stepping stone job. And her sister was a nanny as well in the uk. She had, it seems like, may have traveled to and from America on occasion, but her, her sister, it sounds like, encouraged her to consider this line of work, whether it be temporary or a forever career.

[Captain]

Well, sometimes it's good pay. But also the individuals that you're working for, they become a part of your network and they have a bigger network.

[Nick]

Yes. So in this situation, typically it's a room and board set up where you move to foreign land and you are not just working for a husband and wife and their family, you know, helping them to raise the kids and take care of the house and things of that nature. But oftentimes you are living there or living at another property that they may own, or they rent a space for you nearby. So it's a situation where, yes, you are a nanny and you have those typical tasks that come with that, but it's also a lot of caretaking as far as the House and the grounds go and then a lot of on call. You know, there's usually not a hard and fast start and stop time to your day. And we'll get into her setup here a little more specifically as we continue on. Now what we do know is that she did in fact of course decide that she wanted to attempt to relocate to the United States. And luck appears to have been on Karina side when In March of 1996 she bought a lottery ticket that ended up paying her 10,000 crowns. So this is about 1500 dollars U.S. this money, this money that she won was enough to get her tickets out of this area. And so here's another quote, Captain. She couldn't afford to go before she got this money. This according to long time friend Charlotte Sandberg of Sweden, who spoke with the Boston Herald after the grisly discovery of Karina's body. She said after she won, this is pretty much like a scratch off ticket. She wins this money. She was able to make arrangements through a local placement service to find a job in America. And of course thousands of women. This is not such an uncommon thing here. Hundreds if not thousands of women come to the US every year pursuing the American dream. And this is a, can be an easy way to do so. Right? It's easy, it's accessible and usually safe. It's a safe means of gaining entry into the United States along with immediately having steady employment. And you're typically working in upscale settings and neighborhoods and households.

[Captain]

Right. Which again could lead to a, a better network, especially in the States. But I just don't know how comfortable I would feel living with a family. Don't know if I, if you have an annex or an outbuilding, you know, a separate location, I'd probably feel a little more comfortable.

[Nick]

I'm not really comfortable living with anybody. But I get what you're saying. Especially like in a, you know, you can't really leave that work environment.

[Captain]

But also a lot of these nannies are, they're younger women and these husbands sometimes can be creeps. So that would be not the best of times.

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So. And did you see the legs on that woman?

[Captain]

Yeah. Natural.

[Nick]

The one thing that's really cool about her setup though is yes, this is going to be living and working in an upper middle class area. She's going to have immediate, consistent employment. Because that's what's terrible. I mean, can you Imagine going all the way to another country and looking for work. One would be very difficult. And then to finding something this is very concrete. While nothing's guaranteed, the family that you're going to is relying on you as much as you are relying on them. Right. If, if they decide they don't like you tonight and kick your butt out the door, they don't have childcare tomorrow morning.

[Captain]

Right.

[Nick]

So it's a very reliable job with her setup, it would be a little less cumbersome, I think, as far as navigating your personal life and being able to leave the job at the end of the day. Because the way that it sounds to me is that she. So the. The family had other living quarters. This was an apartment that was not extremely close, not extremely close nearby, but not terribly far either. And so it sounds to me like she lived with the family during the work week.

[Captain]

Right.

[Nick]

And then on the weekend she got to go off and be on her own at this other apartment, wasn't necessarily on call during the weekends. And unfortunately, one thing we should point out too here regarding the situation, which I think is very key here when trying to analyze this case and trying to come up with theories and ideas as to maybe what had happened, is she's not there very long between the time that she arrives in America and the time that she's killed. It's not a very long timeline.

[Captain]

Right.

[Nick]

So that in itself does not provide us with a great understanding of what her job would be in living situation would be long term with this family.

[Captain]

Well, and also since she wasn't here that long, she doesn't have the ability to establish really a social network and one that is this friend coming in her life for a long period or we don't have a long period, we just have a short period.

[Nick]

Yeah. And I don't know how these things work, but from my understanding, there's different levels as with anything. Right. There's different levels and tiers of these placement centers or these job placement outfits.

[Captain]

Right.

[Nick]

From my understanding that this would not have been the highest tier level that she used, which can come with added risk both to the young woman traveling to the United States for work and for the family that's taking her in. And I think that that's something that is worth noting as well. We said she's not here in the US For a very long time. Well, she arrives in the United States in March and she's assigned to a family in Dover. So this is a wealthy suburb of Boston of about 4,000 residents. The family Is going to be Frank Rapp and his wife, Susan Nichter, who were successful artists. Frank was a photographer and Susan a painter. Karina was in charge of their two small kids. It sounds like there was a boy and girl. The boy was the older of the two, and he was, I believe, in first grade here, Captain, at the the time of Karina's arrival. And these were typical kids. They love to play sports. And because she grew up playing sports and was described as a sporty person, of course, she hit it off with the kids right away.

[Captain]

Well, she's young, she has energy. Right. So I know she's not here for a long period of time, but do we have statements from the family saying what kind of nanny she was and what kind of relationship they had?

[Nick]

We do. So, Susan. I have a quote from her. This case has been well covered in the Boston Globe, especially early on. Susan, the mother and wife said to the Globe that Karina was responsible and sensible, a lovely girl who was the sweetest, kindest person. So their arrangement provided that while she was pretty much on call 247 during the work week, on weekends she was free to do as she liked.

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[Nick]

And luckily for her, the family owned this small apartment at 327 A Street in the southeast area of Boston. So from my understanding here, captain, this was a apartment that Frank used as his studio. Karina was allowed to stay there on the weekends rent free. And it sounds to me like Frank did not use this apartment, did not use the studio during the weekend. The neighborhood was mostly populated by young people in their 20s. So good for her. She's going to fit in right away and maybe be able to establish a network of friends. These were a lot of young people in their 20s who lived in group apartments or rental homes and who love to frequent the local rowdy bars and cafes of Southie.

[Captain]

Okay, but is Karina, is she a drinker? Is she a partier? Does she like to smoke a little pot? I would think having to live with the family for five days in a row and basically be on call 24 7, you would need to have a little bit of a release.

[Nick]

You're gonna need a release. Interesting thing to me, too. With her, her goals and her passions of, of wanting to be a restaurateur. I would be using the weekends to hop restaurants and bars to learn the local scene and learn from, you know, because we're doing it very differently than what they're doing in Sweden.

[Captain]

But, but, yeah, but not just in Boston. But it's, it's a pretty quick commute to New York City, some of the best restaurants in the world.

[Nick]

She's an outgoing girl, she's fun and she look part of the reason that she came here was in search of a more lively scene rather than that sleepy Swedish village that she grew up in. Right now of course drinking age here is 21. So a 19 year old Karina manages to get a fake ID so that she could get into the bars and the clubs right. And some of them we know the places that she frequented and the ones that are noted are Club Zanzibar which was sounds like it was very hip at the time, and Mercury Bar, both very popular with with foreign individuals as well in town. So her weekends were filled with bar hopping with friends who considered her an angel. She was not known to go out alone.

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All right, we are back. Just cheers, mates. Tall cans in the air. Party to the people.

[Nick]

Party to the people.

[Co-host]

That's right.

[Nick]

Party it up, people. Thanks for joining us here in the Garage this week and every week. And if you haven't already, hit the subscribe button or follow us, that helps the show quite a bit. We appreciate you tuning in this week. So let's get into this investigation here a bit. Captain, we have crime scene technicians fingerprinting the bags. Remember the two trash bags that Korina's top half was found inside of? They did locate a partial fingerprint. Unfortunately, it was not deemed of good quality. Now, you know, I know that they need a certain number of markers. So my guess here, without them going into the specifics of this partial print, is that it didn't hit enough markers for any type of real identification of who left that print.

[Captain]

Yeah, but it could help if you have a partial print. Maybe it could, if you have a couple suspects, maybe could make you lean one way or. Or the other.

[Nick]

Yeah, that's interesting. If it has enough markers, you might be able to use it to exclude somebody.

[Captain]

Right.

[Nick]

Rather than to specifically identify someone. Usually, too, they. They require a set number of markers and, and that number has increased over the decades since we've been using fingerprint technology to solve crimes. With good reason. The more markers you add, the more specific it's going to get. Obviously, the more dialed in you're going to be. And so without having more information, it could be as simple as they only had enough markers that may include a million people or 10 million people may be of absolutely no help at all. But like you said, there's a chance maybe you could use it to exclude. The other problem, though, too, is you. You don't necessarily know where the print came from.

[Captain]

Right.

[Nick]

You can use it as a breadcrumb tool. And if you think you find the right guy when you hit all those markers, then, yes, you use it in a court of law. But it doesn't seem like it can be a breadcrumb here.

[Captain]

Yeah. So with the dismemberment and the lack of blood, are we able to get any kind of toxicology report? Because with her going out on the weekends, it makes you wonder if somebody maybe saw her out targeted her, you know, use some kind of date rape drug.

[Nick]

There is no toxicology information in the public autopsy information that I found. Doesn't mean that they didn't attempt it.

[Captain]

Right.

[Nick]

Of course the lack of blood will be extremely. Make it extremely difficult. But I. One would think that you could. Some of that is found within the organs themselves. So you would think that you could still perform that on some level. We should also note though that one thing that's troubling about date rape drugs, not all of them, but some of them is that they, they leave the system.

[Captain]

Right. Rather quickly or they're disguised as something else. I think one of the interesting things here though is you said that when the individual that found her in these bags, these are green bags, I think that's kind of unique as far as a trash bag goes.

[Nick]

Yeah. Well, the crime scene analyst and the crime lab more importantly will analyze these greenish black trash bags or forest green as sometimes they're referred to, hoping to identify the manufacturer. Sometimes they have success with this. And you're, I mean you're looking at microscopic fibers, you're looking at plastic lining, you're looking at, you're using special lighting. There's a lot that really goes into this and you. And again, sometimes they have success. We've seen this in other cases where they've had success. However these appear to be or at least we've been told that their findings were that these were widely distributed bags that were sold for a long time. That it was really of note. Just like the fingerprint or partial print of, of no help. It doesn't point them in any one direction.

[Captain]

So imagine be the detective. You, we got, we got a fingerprint. Yeah. But it's not a full print. These bags, are they unique? No, not really. Toxicology report? No. Not enough blood.

[Nick]

Well, the thing here that you. I think you have a couple of things going for you if you're the investigator on this that you. That will give you some confidence. Right. You're the print you're excited about. Turns out to be nothing. Bags. Maybe we could get something here. Nothing. But Boston, like most major cities, unfortunately is no. They're no stranger to homicides and homicide investigations. And so you're going to have seasoned detectives in this realm of investigation. You're going to have seasoned crime techs, you're going to have people that know how to work this evidence. You have big, big department, big resources. So you have those things going for you. And I tend to believe, and I think that the statistics will back this up that murders in a while there are more of them in larger cities. I think that they tend to have a higher. If you got a good department, you have a higher clearance rate on those homicides. And while the dismemberment may appear to be suggestive to the general public in one manner, it's oftentimes suggestive in another manner, an entirely different manner to investigators that have worked a case like this before. While it's rare, it's not as rare as people think that it is in the general public tends to associate dismemberment with something with, with a. With a monster of the level of

[Co-host]

a Jeffrey Dahmer or Rex Hereman.

[Nick]

Robert Peakton. Yeah, Rex Herman, somebody of that nature. Where typically, where we see the majority of dismemberment with a homicide, it's usually somebody very close to the individual because it's done for the purpose of masking their identity.

[Captain]

Right.

[Nick]

1 and 2 hopes that they're never recovered. And I don't know that that's the case here, but I just want to point that out going into this as we, as we kind of attempt to tear through this.

[Co-host]

This.

[Captain]

Yeah, but think about the detective. He's going to work and he has to ponder this idea of did are we not finding the bottom half of the victim because of concealment or are we not finding the bottom half of the victim for sexual fantasy reasons? This is a disturbing case.

[Nick]

Oh yeah, absolutely. And I can get into my opinions on that if you want. Or we could, we could move forward with some of the investigation because back to the idea of that it could be someone that, that she knows, as would be the case with any homicide. You're going to retrace Karina's last movements, try to figure out where she was, to figure out what happened to her and who she could have been with. And they would have quickly obtain a list of individuals that Karina was friends with. And then they're going to question them one by one. They learned that Karina had been picked up at Frank and Susan's house in Dover on Friday afternoon, June 21st by a friend. That evening, Karina hosted her friends at Frank and Susan's Southie apartment where she stayed on the weekends. Police noted that there had been several complaints from neighbors in the apartment building about late night noise made by Karina and her friends. We're not stating on that particular evening, we're stating during her time staying there.

[Captain]

Right.

[Nick]

It seems like Karina and her buddies were partiers, although they weren't rowdy. Or disruptive. They were just, you know, younger folks and they were loud. And this, keep in mind, this is an apartment. These are close quarters where everyone's living.

[Captain]

We've all been there.

[Nick]

Yes. Which is really interesting for this case when you look at it, because the, the people that live closest to her in these apartments said that we live close enough that we could. Even when she wasn't being loud, you know, not being social, not having friends over, we could hear her come and go, right? And while we heard her and her friends there for a portion of that evening, they all went out and they hit the bars and they hit the clubs. And so they know, according to the people that live there, that they left that night. And nobody that lives there says that they ever heard her return. Now, that's not 100% confirmation that she never made it back there. But police have said, we don't believe that she made it back there. We don't see evidence that she made it back there. And then the people that lived there who said, well, it didn't matter the hour we heard her come and go, we didn't hear her return that night.

[Captain]

But like you said, close quarters. So, you know, you might not be able to hear her in the apartment, but when she's leaving the front door or leaving the front door to the actual apartment building, most people can hear that. And. And you kind of get a sense of that if you're living in an apartment building.

[Nick]

So on this particular night here, Captain, it was the summer solstice, which is a big deal holiday in Sweden. And it sounds like a lot of folks that were working in similar positions here in this Dover and general Boston area, as was Karina, that they. A lot of them were Swedish, or at least a decent percentage of them were. So this is, again, never been to Sweden. Would love to go. Somebody please invite me. I'll see you next week. The. This seems like it's a big deal there. And while they probably would head out to hang out on the weekend anyway, the way that this has been reported is that this was a bit of a bigger deal for some of the folks in their little group than it would have been for just your typical weekend. So her and her friends, they all got ready, they all went out, they headed out to the bars in downtown Boston. They all bar hopped as a group, going to the Mercury Bar and then ending up at one of their favorite spots, a club called Zanzibar. Now, Zanzibar is located on Boyston Place. Boston is, of course, one of the oldest cities in the United States in cobblestone streets and alleys winding between buildings. This Boylston place is essentially a dead end alley. It's known as the alley on which Club Zanzibar and a couple of the other establishments are situated or were situated, I should say. I don't think any of them are still there to this day. In fact, I tried to look up Climb Club Zanzibar and it seems like it is closed a long time ago. The alley was an offshoot of this street across from iconic Boston Common. Two blocks away is the ritzy shopping mecca Newberry Street.

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[Nick]

The area is busy at night and it would be I think if it's busy, heavily populated, lots of people moving about, this is going to be very difficult for someone to pull off a violent abduction there in the streets.

[Captain]

Well, like you were saying with Boston being an old city, but it's also east coast so the east coast cities are more European than west coast cities. So it's an easier transition I think. And so maybe that plays a part until the feeling more comfortable than, than one should and in this big city.

[Nick]

Karina and her friends met up with about a dozen women at Zanzibar. This is around 11pm Everyone was drinking heavily as the report states. Karina was seen by multiple friends. She's bouncing back and forth between Zanzibar and Mercury Bar nearby. And this is reported to be between 1 and 1:30. She was described as drunk, loud and making a scene. Dancing and laughing.

[Captain]

Yeah, but making a scene is, is that making a scene and making an ass out of herself or is it making a scene and she's just having a fun time?

[Nick]

I think it's open to interpretation and I, I don't know her or her friends well enough to. To distinguish what they mean by making a scene.

[Captain]

And you'd hope that her friends or her new newly friends. Right. That they would be forthcoming with. Okay, she was drinking. Well what did she have to drink? How much did she have to drink? Was she talking to the bartenders? Was she talking to other men? Was she talking to other women? Was she smoking any pot? Was she using any drugs at closing time?

[Nick]

So now let's get to 2:00am here, Captain. So we're, we're roughly at closing time. You ain't got to go home but you can't stay here. Karina was noted to be very intoxicated. This is what the people with her are saying and also the at least one or two of the people working at this Zanzibar. So we have bar assistant Scott Fainer who told. Who later told the boss, Boston's WGBH, that he saw Karina there at Zanzibar at 2am he describes her as passed out at a high top with her head in her arms. Right. So she's. Right. She got the arms folded on the table, head down, been there. And he's. I guess he's assuming, or someone that he spoke with assumed that she was passed out. The bartender working that night asked Scott, who was also working that night, if he would walk the drunk young woman to a taxi. But. So Scott tells WGBH that by the time he got back from, he had to run something to the back of the bar after being asked to do this, he runs something to the back of the bar, he goes back to retrieve her, to walk her out, and she's gone. I've heard and reviewed several different versions of this story. They're all very, very similar. The part that's not included in the notes that I just went through here, Captain, is that the bar called the taxi to have it out front.

[Captain]

Right.

[Nick]

So that she could be walked out and put into a cab.

[Captain]

Which. I don't like this because it's like, put her in the taxi and now it's not our problem.

[Co-host]

True.

[Nick]

But this is not uncommon.

[Captain]

No, it's extreme.

[Nick]

One, it's extremely typical. And two, look, there's a lot of

[Captain]

things that are common that we could change.

[Nick]

We.

[Co-host]

We could.

[Nick]

We could change and maybe make this better, but at the same time, people are adults and they. You go out into the world and you. You can conduct yourself as an adult or you could not.

[Captain]

Well, and I don't like her friends. Where are they at? Why are they leaving her behind?

[Nick]

That's, again, difficult to. To. To say if they left her behind or if she was busy running about back and forth between these two places on her own. I mean, you can. We've all been there, right, man? Where you're like, hey, dude. Hey, bro, you probably shouldn't do that. Hey, why don't you stay with us? And you. And there's. There's no convincing.

[Captain]

Right?

[Nick]

So it's.

[Captain]

There's nothing worse than trying to reason with a drunk person.

[Nick]

Again, though, this is also. We're not talking about, like, lifelong friends. She's not been there very long at all.

[Captain]

Right?

[Nick]

She's not been. She's not been in the United States.

[Captain]

Well, again. And also if her friends are Swedish, which it sounds like most of them were, again, not understanding the. The dangers of a big city.

[Nick]

Yeah, I mean, look, we've all been there. You and I have not experienced the foreign part of it, but we've all been there. She's young, She's. She's young. She gets, she arrives in March, she's killed in June. I mean that, that makes, that does complicate matters a lot, I think in this case.

[Captain]

No, and I think the thing too is, doesn't matter if she partied on a regular basis or not that. But it has to be a warning when, whether you're male or female, when you get this intoxicated, where other people are taking note of your intoxication level, you become a target for dangerous people.

[Nick]

Absolutely. So you mentioned friends. Let's talk about. So one of her friends is a 21 year old who. This is the friend that had to go to the morgue and identify Karina. Now she's not named, she's not been named publicly. But what she has said, what this friend has stated is that she had seen Karina leave with a quote, older man. Karina is 19, so older man, I mean that's a, that's a bit of a broad. He could be 25.

[Captain]

Exactly.

[Nick]

Stated that they were quote going to an after hours party. She then says, the next time I saw her was to identify her body. Now of course this is a statement, so it's not all that clear that Karina did in fact go to a party. This older man thing is an interesting lead. The party's an interesting lead here for the investigators. A witness interviewed by police told them that they saw Karina presumably dancing. And so, so I presume that they showed this individual a photo of Karina because this person does not know Karina but says to police, comes forward and says, look, that night I saw a woman who I believe was Karina dancing and singing with a homeless man in the alley. And this would have been as late as 3:20am and this person says that the girl was drunk, very drunk was their words, and kissed the homeless guy on the cheek a few times. So when we said making a scene or causing a scene, I, I'm wondering if, if some of this, Captain, is statements with her friends, by her friends that were out with her that night. And then later, potential, that's the key word here, potential witnesses. And they're, they're all kind of lumping these statements and actions and activities together.

[Captain]

And yes, she was. And yes, this eyewitness was shown a picture of, of Karina but she's not friends with her. So is she identifying Karina or is she identifying somebody else?

[Nick]

Absolutely. That's, that's the question that will remain. Police sources also place Karina alone on Boston Common between Boston and Park Street. T stops she was walking in the direction of Frank Rapp's apartment where she stayed on the weekends. But police again were fairly certain that Karina did not return home. The neighbors who always heard her come and go heard nothing. And the clothing she was wearing on Friday night was not found in the apartment. The Boston Police Department investigators tracked down additional witnesses. Again, I would say potential is the key word here. Who said that they saw Karina between 3:30 and 4am in front of a store 24 located at the corner of Massachusetts Avenue and have Eland Street. Have a land street. I apologize, I didn't look that one.

[Captain]

That's wrong.

[Nick]

This is store 20. Thanks for having my back there. Store 24 is. So this is, it's now, this location is now 7:11. So if you're familiar with 7:11.

[Captain]

I was going to say it's probably a very similar to a 7 11.

[Nick]

Yeah. If you're familiar with 7 11, you're, you're now familiar with store 24.

[Captain]

But do we have surveillance on this store 24? Is she seen with anybody else or is she just seen by herself?

[Nick]

No. Again, these are those potential witnesses, people that are, that are trying to help. And again they could be right.

[Captain]

Right.

[Nick]

I don't want to, I don't want to dampen the idea that they might be right. But I let's point out too, she's 19. It's Boston on a Friday night.

[Captain]

Yeah, I would.

[Nick]

How many, how many Caucasian, early 20something women do you think you're going to see on a Friday night in Boston?

[Captain]

Yeah, I would, I would. Again, I'd have more faith in these eyewitnesses if they were like, hey, we're passing this store, we saw this lady and when she was talking we could hear a Swedish accent. That would make me believe.

[Nick]

Yes.

[Captain]

That they're seeing Karina and not just some other. Like you said, Caucasian young female.

[Nick]

You know, and a lot of people will tell you that a tip is only as good as the witness. I will tell you that a tip is only as good as the individual taking the, the information.

[Captain]

That's true too.

[Nick]

So look, and the reason why I say that is a younger cop, maybe not as experienced would go, oh, we got, we got some information coming in here. I want to make sure I get this down. Tell me this, tell me this. What did you see? What did you see? But jot everything down. My first, first question would be what was the individual wearing? Yeah, what was the individual wearing? Because again, hey, I saw a 19 year old white girl. General description and appearance is the same as Karina Homer. Well, what was she wearing? Because that could distinguish her from hundreds of other folks that were out that night. It could clue me in that you may be talking about the person, that person that we are investigating, that we are looking at here in this case. So this general area we should know is about 1.3 miles from the alley.

[Captain]

Yeah. And look, I, I also understand that we're saying some things that are kind of no duh, but in a big city, a nice area can turn to a bad area within one block and then go back the next block to a. A nice area. So what you're saying is where this, these eyewitnesses claim to see her at the store 24, that. That's only, that's within a mile and a half from where her body is discovered.

[Nick]

No, this is 1.3 miles from the other potential sightings of her.

[Captain]

Okay.

[Nick]

That night. And if you were to follow the timeline, this is the, the latest potential marker here. So let's say that was her after that. It appears that it's really anyone's guess as to her movements that night or who she may have encountered. Because what we do know is unfortunately, she's found in the Fenway a block from this store 24 in that dumpster. So this is the 1091 Boylston street apartment building dumpster, which is off of Ipswich street and the area abutted Massachusetts pike or Mass pike i90. Yeah.

[Captain]

It's interesting because most of these markers have European names. With her being seen so close to where she's discovered, to me it feels like this crime took place within that area because. Because what, what's the time difference? What, what's the gap in time between where she's possibly last seen and when she's found? She's found the next day, right?

[Nick]

Yes. It's 36 hours. So she goes out that Friday night. She's partying until the early morning hours of Saturday.

[Captain]

So from the 24 store, from that sighting, if it's her, her body is found a block away in that dumpster. But we're seeing her or the eyewitnesses are seeing her. She goes partying Friday night. But now this is Saturday morning. But she's found on that Sunday. So we got what, 30 some hours. Does that tell you anything or do you speculate? Is that, is the crime happening immediately or did this person Take her somewhere.

[Nick]

Well, yeah, I mean, we. We would know. We can infer a few things here from. From what little we already know. She wasn't killed in the dumpster. We know that. And she wasn't killed on the streets of Boston. So she went somewhere. There was also some means of transporting her alive. And then, unfortunately not. You could be looking at, what, five crime scenes, potentially. You have the encounter, you have the. The travel together, whether it's willing or unwilling. You have the place, the location where she was murdered. I would assume that she was dismembered in the same area, that. In the same space that she was killed. That's typically the. The situation makes the most sense. And it's also a. A heavily populated area, so that would make even more sense. And then transported once again and then the dumpster. So likely five crimes.

[Captain]

Yeah, and possibly more, depending on what happened with the other half of the body. I mean, I know this is crude talk, but it's a true crime show. So here we go. But I'm putting out a call to action if I'm detectives and saying, did anybody hear somebody in their apartment building using some kind of saw? Because that's not a quiet instrument.

[Nick]

Right. And. And this. So this unfortunately reminds me very much of a case that we covered two years ago here in the garage. Rashawn Brazil was killed in Brooklyn, New York, and somebody had used a power saw to dismember his body. Rem. He was. They recovered him in trash bags in the subway, down the subway tunnels.

[Captain]

Oh, yeah.

[Nick]

Horrific case. Horrible case. Turns out the offender was a serial killer that is accused of having killed others. And unfortunately, there's not been a conviction in Rashan Brazell's case. And we had the. We had the wonderful opportunity to speak with his mother. We. We had the privilege of speaking with his mother, Desire, who is very upset with where her son's case sits today and should be that what they decided to do was because the individual was locked up for another murder, they were not going to take to trial her son Rashawn's case. So it's an. It's. It's an outrage. I don't sound so outraged here now in the moment, but believe you me, when we covered this In March of 2024, you and I were very angry at the system at that time and didn't feel that they were doing enough for this victim or Rashawn's family in that regard. Plus, the guy that killed him needs to be locked away, throw away the key forever and ever. Amen right. This guy, if he's breathing, he's a danger to society. So we, while I'm not going to stand on a hill and claim that you and I are the, the brightest bulbs in the garage, I will say that, you know, a couple of times a week we get things right. And the one very simple thing we got right with the Brooklyn case, with Sean's case is exactly what you just said here, my friend. Did you hear a power saw? That's your, that's your question. When you, you're, you're doing a knock and talk, right? The old knock and talk knock, open up the door, talk to me. Did you hear a power saw? Do you know anybody that owns a power saw? Do you own a power saw? My whole first three, four, five questions are going to rotate around a power saw all and then we'll take it from there. Now, while they're not incredibly uncommon, you are exactly right. They are loud. We just talked about Karina's living situation on the weekend. Those people heard her come and go when she was alone. If somebody plugs that baby in or, or powers up the battery and flicks that switch, we've all heard one kick on. They're loud.

[Captain]

Well, it's also the different saws would have different sounds. Not saying that the ear witness would know that, but I think that could give us some kind of frame of reference of what kind of instrument we're looking at.

[Nick]

Yeah, I think. And I'm just going off of what seems logical. I have nothing else to base this off of here. Captain. My guess would be that she was killed shortly after, after arriving at the place at the location where she was killed and that she. That I would guess that the, the individual or individuals that, that place the trash bags in that dumpster did it under the COVID of night. So killed at 3, 4, 5 in the morning, Saturday. Ish. And then probably that Saturday night after the sun goes down and before it comes back up Sunday morning is when that incredibly evil soulless person placed those trash bags in that dumpster.

[Captain]

Well, like I said, this is a different kind of monster. But a circular saw, a jigsaw, a

[Nick]

reciprocal, don't forget about.

[Captain]

These are not typical tools that you're going to find in a typical city apartment.

[Nick]

Not, no, in a park.

[Captain]

This is not the suburbs where people have a two car garage, maybe a three car garage, maybe even a, a little shed in the backyard where they can collect tools. So again, you have individuals that if you can get any lead and you do a search while you're probably searching a 12 bedroom apartment at best with little to no storage. You're going to probably find these items quickly. But we, I think you were saying that they believe that they might have recovered the saw blade. So then it makes you wonder if the person not only disposed of the victim, but disposed of any tool that was used in the dismemberment.

[Nick]

Yeah, absolutely. And I am of the belief that the dismemberment was simply for, I mean, I hate to say this, that it was for practical reasons rather than sadistic reasons or, or for, for some other type of sickness or evil. I think that it was, was more so to, to transport, dispose and conceal the body of this individual's victim.

[Captain]

Yeah, but you know what this tells me and my gut feeling is this, this took place in a building where there's other individuals because if the, again, if this happened in the suburb or this happened in the country, you don't have to dismember the body to dispose of the body, but if you have to get the body out of an apartment and you possibly could be seen by one of your neighbors, then you have to make the pieces smaller so you can transport absolutely the pieces. You see what I'm saying? So that tells us something.

[Nick]

Right? And what I, what I mean by the, the, you say a certain kind of monster, but if, if, if the, if the bad guy here was dismembering the victim because they enjoyed doing that, she wouldn't have been bisected, she would have been cut into. The victim would have been cut into more pieces. There would have been a lot more done to this body. There was nothing other than the strangulation and the bisection done to the body or at least the evidence that we have in front of us to review. And so again, that's points to it being a very practical reason for doing this. We do know that based on the reports, that trash bag, the double trash bag that was found with her upper half weighed 48 pounds. So yeah, it's also conceivable that somebody could have just simply walked down the street carrying the trash bag in there and with their arm and legs and did not need a vehicle to transport this package and deliver it to the dumpster. What I will say about the dumpster itself is we gave a brief description of it. It sounds to me like this dumpster's somewhat concealed, somewhat tucked away. And I think that that is what the killer wanted. And I think that the bisection was not just practical for the means of transportation and transporting and disposing of the body, but also with the attempt that it would be concealed. If this dumpster was picked up, they may have never found Karina. If they don't find Karina, there is no homicide investigation.

[Captain]

When did they get Everybody for joining us here in the garage. Thanks for telling your mother. Thanks for telling your brother. So much more to get into in this brutal true crime story. Until the next episode.

[Nick]

Be good, be kind and don't.

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