429: Staten Island Secrets: New York Homicide (S1 E4)

Summary

True Crime Obsessed Podcast Episode 429: Staten Island Secrets – New York Homicide (S1 E4)
Release Date: May 15, 2025

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Introduction to "Staten Island Secrets"

In Episode 429 of True Crime Obsessed, hosts Julian Penzavalli and Patrick Hines delve into the harrowing case featured in "Staten Island Secrets," the fourth episode of Season 1 in the "New York Homicide" series. This bonus episode meticulously uncovers the mysterious murder of 18-year-old Eliza Parzi in the tight-knit, Orthodox Jewish community of Willowbrook, Staten Island.

The Crime Scene: A Disturbing Discovery

Timestamp: [04:00] - [09:27]

On August 10th, 2005, Seema Parse returned home from work to a nightmare. Expecting a warm dinner with her daughter Eliza, she instead found her house in disarray. Eliza was discovered beneath a mattress, a pillow covering her head with her feet sticking out, and her body showing signs of manual strangulation. The scene was both puzzling and terrifying, as there were no obvious signs of a struggle or sexual assault.

Julian Penzavalli: "Pillow over her head, under the mattress, her feet are sticking out and she's dead." [08:38]

Community and Background

Timestamp: [09:27] - [15:58]

Willowbrook is characterized by its close-knit community where everyone knows each other. Eliza was adored by her peers, known for her vivacious personality and unwavering dedication. She worked at a local moving company, aspiring to become a fashion designer in Manhattan. Her half-brother, Raviv Gabay, also plays a pivotal role in the unfolding mystery.

The community's insularity became a significant factor in the investigation, raising concerns about safety and trust within such a tight-knit environment.

Patrick Hines: "We have to solve this. All the watching eyes, all the neighbors and all the people saying, is my kid safe?" [02:20]

Initial Investigation and Suspicion

Timestamp: [15:58] - [28:03]

The NYPD began canvassing the neighborhood, interviewing residents to piece together Eliza's last moments. Early suspicion fell on Eliza's ex-boyfriend, who apparently knew her well enough to enter her home without raising alarms. The back door was found unlocked, a major red flag that suggested the possibility of a break-in.

Detective Teresa, part of the Brooklyn South NYPD unit, highlighted the community's fear and the challenge of examining each potential suspect within such an interconnected neighborhood.

Patrick Hines: "If you were like five minutes late, you could tell if she's in the mood for chatting. If she's not, then, like, no one's chatting." [15:39]

Media Portrayal and Public Perception

Timestamp: [38:46] - [41:13]

As the investigation progressed, media outlets like the New York Post began sensationalizing Eliza's personal life, leading to unwarranted slut-shaming. This portrayal not only tarnished Eliza's character but also added layers of complexity to the investigation by introducing public bias.

Julian Penzavalli: "The media kind of painted her as a bad girl." [38:55]

Breakthrough in the Case: DNA Evidence

Timestamp: [42:01] - [47:21]

A significant breakthrough came when DNA analysis revealed that the blood found on Eliza's towel matched her half-brother, Raviv Gabay. This revelation shifted the investigation's focus squarely on Raviv, who had previously been seen as a supportive family member.

Despite Raviv's attempts to present an alibi, discrepancies in his story and the DNA evidence made it impossible to ignore his involvement. The hosts discuss how Raviv's motive stemmed from financial strain and familial pressure, leading to a confrontation with his sister that tragically ended in her death.

Patrick Hines: "He's 27 years old. He's Eliza's half brother... Now we have him as a suspect." [11:33]

Conclusion: Justice and Reflection

Timestamp: [47:21] - [50:04]

Raviv was ultimately arrested and convicted of manslaughter, receiving an 18-year sentence. The case highlights the destructive power of familial discord and the impact of community dynamics on personal relationships. The hosts express their frustration with the lenient sentencing, emphasizing Raviv's potential danger to society upon release.

Patrick Hines: "He pleads guilty to first-degree manslaughter and gets 18 years. But Shaol says, 'I hope he never gets out. If he can do that to Lizzie, what can he do to somebody else?'" [49:15]

Final Thoughts

"Staten Island Secrets" serves as a poignant reminder of the hidden tensions that can exist within seemingly harmonious communities. The episode not only sheds light on Eliza's tragic fate but also encourages listeners to reflect on the importance of communication and safety within tight-knit environments.

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Notable Quotes:

• Julian Penzavalli: "Manual strangulation also tells you something else. It's typically a crime of passion." [28:50]

• Patrick Hines: "The biggest red flag was that the door was unlocked." [14:11]

• Julian Penzavalli: "Be precise, she says. Be on time and be precise." [11:24]

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Whether you're a long-time listener or new to the True Crime Obsessed podcast, this episode offers a comprehensive exploration of a chilling true crime story, enriched with humor and heartfelt analysis.

Transcript

[Julian Penzavalli]

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[Patrick Hines]

All right, I have to issue a correction.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Oh.

[Patrick Hines]

I don't know what episode it was, but we were.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Because we were talking about grizzly Man.

[Patrick Hines]

We were talking about Columbo. So it could be literally any episode.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Oh, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

I with my whole chest said that Diana Rigg played Mrs. Colombo. Okay, totally wrong. It's Kate Mulgrew who's red and orange is the new black. Like everything else.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Kate Mulgrew.

[Patrick Hines]

I've made that mistake before. I don't know what the blockage is, but my fault. The people have spoken and here we are. So sorry. Kate Mulgrew who played Mrs. Colombo, which. It was an ill fated show. It did not do very well.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Hi. Julian Penzavalli.

[Patrick Hines]

Hi, Patrick Hines.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Are you watching black Mirror?

[Patrick Hines]

No, not yet.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Are you a black Mirror person?

[Patrick Hines]

I haven't yet in any of the seasons.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Oh, interesting. All right, well, another story for another time.

[Patrick Hines]

Okay, great.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Are you watching BlackBerry? If so, tell us about in the Facebook group. I'm obsessed. The first episode of this season has Rashida Jones. It's wild. Very good.

[Patrick Hines]

Great.

[Julian Penzavalli]

But we've got like 59,000 people in the Facebook group.

[Patrick Hines]

That's amazing.

[Julian Penzavalli]

It's wild. It's such a fun place. People are going in there just to make new friends and talk about the episodes and do all this stuff. It's the true crime obsessed podcast discussion group.

[Patrick Hines]

That's right.

[Julian Penzavalli]

And join us over on Ye yonder Patreon.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes, patreon.com. true crime obsessed. We have a bunch of stuff over there for you. Ad free episodes.

[Julian Penzavalli]

So that's where we cover our, like, series episode by episode. We are doing like Fox Hollow. We're doing right now. We're doing.

[Patrick Hines]

You just said scamanda.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Scamanda. Which is wild. It's what everybody wants to talk to me about when I see them in person.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, my God.

[Julian Penzavalli]

And then what are we doing next?

[Patrick Hines]

We're doing the Karen Reed thing on I D hbo. The five parter fam.

[Julian Penzavalli]

I'm going to have so much to say about it.

[Patrick Hines]

Me too.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Like, I'm going to be levitating off my seat.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm so excited. It's a whole thing, I'll tell you that.

[Julian Penzavalli]

We have five episodes to work out our emotions about it. What are we talking about today.

[Patrick Hines]

All right, so, hi. This is one of our bonus episodes. This is our third bonus episode of the year. It's an episode of that show New York Homicide, which we've covered many a time. This is episode four. It's called Staten Island Secrets.

[Unnamed Speaker C]

An 18 year old murdered in her own home.

[Unnamed Speaker D]

If you knew Lizzie, it's like no one would want to harm this person.

[Unnamed Speaker C]

Leading the NYPD into uncharted territory.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Staten island homicides are just not heard of. It's just not like Brooklyn. It's not Manhattan.

[Unnamed Speaker E]

And Willowbrook specifically is a very orthodox Jewish community and a very tight knit community.

[Unnamed Speaker C]

We have to solve this. All the watching eyes, all the neighbors and all the people saying, is my kid safe? And as secrets become unearthed, everyone was calling each other.

[Unnamed Speaker D]

Did you see what they wrote about Lizzie in the newspaper?

[Unnamed Speaker C]

The investigation takes a turn no one saw coming.

[Unnamed Speaker E]

This was somebody who was hiding in plain sight.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Nobody wanted to believe that it was one of their own.

[Patrick Hines]

So we start off talking about New York City's diversity, which is like a diversity, like real hot take, like New York is diverse. But this time we're headed to what they call the oft forgotten borough of Staten Island. And I'm like, home of Wu Tang Clan and a whole lot of mob guys.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yeah. Staten island is not forgotten by everybody in this booth.

[Patrick Hines]

No, you know what I mean? I'm like, I mean, I get Staten island gets a bad rep, but like I, you know, Wu Tang Clan says they are nothing to fuck with and it's also the mafia, so I don't know who's messing with Staten island, but it's not me.

[Julian Penzavalli]

I just like on the, on the mafia front. I watched a TikTok of an episode of the Sopranos today.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, yeah.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Where Aida Turgo, which does not take.

[Patrick Hines]

Place in Staten Island.

[Julian Penzavalli]

No. But she gets punched in the mouth by her husband and she takes matters into her. Her own hands.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, Richard Priele.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Fuck, I'm not going to. I won't get to miss spoilers.

[Patrick Hines]

Richie April.

[Julian Penzavalli]

It was kind of amazing to watch what happened now.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, now you have to watch when Tony, she's like, tony, what happened? Did you bury. He's like, yeah, we buried him with pine cones. What the fuck are you talking about? It's Richie April, like, burn in hell, Richard Priel. We hate Rachel.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Oh my God. Well, it's August 10th, 2005. We hear a hysterical 911 call. Seema Parse has come home from work expecting to have dinner with her daughter. Now they call her Eliza. And Eliza throughout.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. So her name is spelled A L, I, Z, A.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

What's weird is that her boss and the cop who knew her family and worked the case call her Eliza.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Everyone else calls her Eliza. A dear friend of hers will call her Lizzie. I'm going to go with Eliza because the two people who actually knew her called her that. Her boss, like, they had a very close relationship. So it seems. Her boss.

[Julian Penzavalli]

I have a lot to say about.

[Patrick Hines]

The boss, but I would think that she knew. I would think so, too.

[Julian Penzavalli]

And the friend calls her Lizzie, like you said, which is. I love that name.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. So I'm going to go with Eliza.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Well, her mother knows that something is wrong, and as she walked in, she saw that the house was ransom.

[Unnamed Speaker E]

Of course, as a mother, immediately you think the worst. She runs to her daughter's room. She's banging on the door. She's screaming out her name.

[Patrick Hines]

The door's locked.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Finds the door locked.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Her mother calls her job, where she gets the boss, Ayala, on the phone. Ayala is saying she's not here. And, like, we've been trying to get in touch with her all day.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. So Detective Teresa's here. She's NYPD, Brooklyn South.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And also the 911 operator is arguably giving attitudes.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Oh, my God. She's so annoyed because she's like, whatever you do, don't go into the house. Don't go to the house. And Seema's like, what are you talking about? It's my house. I'm in. The dispatcher goes, are you in the house now? And she goes, yes. She goes, well, get out.

[Patrick Hines]

Get out.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Because the way that she says it is so annoying.

[Patrick Hines]

And I understand why, like, this is a safety issue. Obviously, we don't know who did this. We don't know if they're still there. But, I mean, you could argue that the 911 operator is a little.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Maybe end of her shift.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, yeah.

[Julian Penzavalli]

It's one of those things where, like, wait, hey, of course she's inside.

[Patrick Hines]

How else but get out of the house. That would probably be me. Get out of the house.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Of all the jobs, like, I feel like you'd be a great dispatcher, but I could see a moment where you're like, yeah, get out.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, I don't think I'd be good at it.

[Julian Penzavalli]

You don't think?

[Patrick Hines]

I don't think.

[Julian Penzavalli]

I think you have an ability to stay calm. I think you'd be good.

[Patrick Hines]

I think so. I hope so. But I don't think it's the job for me.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Okay. Probably.

[Patrick Hines]

I think it's a hard gig, like we say.

[Julian Penzavalli]

I think you're right where you should be.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. You know, I think it's a hard. I'm not like, I don't envy these people.

[Julian Penzavalli]

No, no, no, no. Because I mean, the number one question they get all the time is when are they getting here? When are they getting here? Like, and they don't know. They don't have the answer to that question.

[Patrick Hines]

And the thing is, I've asked my dad before because my dad's a volunteer and works like, as a volunteer for the local fire department near where he lives. And so I've asked him, like, dad, what's the tea on? Like, how long the call, when the call comes in, when it gets to you, when you get paged, like, what is it? Because the same thing everyone's always asking, are they on their way?

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And he's like, we're always on the way.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Of course.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, we get it immediately and we are on the way while the person is figuring out the information. Like, we are on the way there, not knowing half the time immediately what it's going to be. But, like, we're going, of course. And sometimes it's someone who likes slice their finger open on Christmas morning slicing bagels, which happened like two Christmases ago. I was like, where's dad? My mom's like, someone slice their finger open. Or sometimes it's like, things that maybe one would want to talk to the local, like, trauma expert about, of course. So he never knows, like, what. What it's going to be. But.

[Julian Penzavalli]

But either way, Tyl is on his way.

[Patrick Hines]

People are on the way. The call you're not getting. Bullshit. But basically, like, when someone says they're on the way, they are.

[Julian Penzavalli]

They are.

[Patrick Hines]

At least my dad is to help me out. Travel down the road.

[Julian Penzavalli]

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[Unnamed Speaker E]

Do they find is Elisa Parzi underneath a mattress, a pillow over her head, her feet sticking out from under the mattress, and she's been killed.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Pillow over her head, under the mattress, her feet are sticking out and she's dead.

[Patrick Hines]

And Eliza's in a towel and her hair is still wet from the shower. So this is now a murder investigation. Even though there's no, quote, obvious manner of death, something horrible happened to this girl.

[Julian Penzavalli]

And it's like, can you imagine anything more terrifying than coming out of this shower, being wet and cold and vulnerable and finding a person in your house?

[Patrick Hines]

It's the worst.

[Julian Penzavalli]

That is the scariest scenario I can imagine.

[Patrick Hines]

And then, like, having to fight for your life, which is exactly what Eliza did.

[Julian Penzavalli]

And, like, I mean, and not, not to, like, state the obvious, but, like, your feet are wet, you're slipping on the floor. You don't have, like, you're totally caught off guard. Yes. And you're, like, even more vulnerable than you would have been if, like, the person had broken in the house in the middle of the night.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. You know, so Shaol is here. He's Lizzie's friend. And their friends, since they're 10 years old, they met on this, like, large group family retreat upstate.

[Julian Penzavalli]

He describes they're Orthodox Jews. So I think that that's the thing that's important to say here. And I think it's like, was an Orthodox Jew family retreat.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Julian Penzavalli]

So they all wholesome, though. It sounds like so much fun.

[Patrick Hines]

And they all met at, like, 10 years old, and then they stayed friends even after high school. So it's like a real, like, Shaol describes a really big community, a really big group of friends. Everyone from the neighborhood knew each other. They were always like, they were like family.

[Julian Penzavalli]

He says, for better or for worse. Because we're going to find out how suffocating that can be to some of the kids growing up in a community like that.

[Patrick Hines]

Sure.

[Julian Penzavalli]

But they describe Lizzie like, just like she was like a sweet kid and always laughing and everybody wanted to be her friend. Like, just like the life of the party.

[Patrick Hines]

She's fun, she's funny.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

She's a hard worker. After high school, Eliza gets a job for a local moving company. She did sales for them.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So she took a year off to raise money for college, and her dream was to go to school in Manhattan to be a fashion designer.

[Julian Penzavalli]

But this is where we talk more to Aleya, who's the boss. And she's like, she's so clear. I'm not friends with my employees. But Lizzie was different.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Julian Penzavalli]

You know what I mean? And also, I want to say Aleyah, the boss, when she found out that there was something wrong with Eliza, that, like, the mom was screaming on the phone, she went right to the house. I'm like, get yourself a boss like Aleyah.

[Patrick Hines]

She's someone you call to get shit done 100%. She's the one boss.

[Julian Penzavalli]

I don't really talk to my employees. But Lizzie was different, right? Yeah, I could see that. You avoid her in the break room. You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

Maybe if you're like, oh, I don't.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Know, if you were like five minutes late.

[Patrick Hines]

If she's like, not in the mood for it, you could tell if she's in the mood for chatting. If she is, then, like, she's gonna talk everyone's ear off. But if she's not in the mood, like, no one's chatting. Why don't she just fine.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Like, she has set the tone for sure.

[Patrick Hines]

She has shit too.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So, yeah, we learn Willow. It's Willowbrook in Staten island, and it's a very tight knit community, as we learn, very Orthodox Jewish community. And then we learn about rav Gabay. He's 27 years old. He's Eliza's. They tell us he's her half brother.

[Julian Penzavalli]

It's very important to Aleyah that we know that they're half siblings. She said that a hundred times in this episode.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Julian Penzavalli]

She's like the half brother and she catches herself every time.

[Patrick Hines]

Sometimes that matters to people, sometimes it doesn't matters to the boss.

[Julian Penzavalli]

It really matters. Be precise, she says. Be on time and be precise. And then her half brother showed up there. He tried to run into the house.

[Patrick Hines]

And screamed my sister. And the police stopped him.

[Julian Penzavalli]

He was hysterical. Hysterical.

[Unnamed Speaker C]

The brother, half brother, 27 year old Raviv Gabay, Eliza's half brother, is yelling at detectives, demanding answers.

[Patrick Hines]

Yelling, screaming, demanding answers. Everyone wants to know what the hell happened to Eliza.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And the.

[Julian Penzavalli]

So it sounds heartbreaking. It's like his little sister is dead inside there. Nobody knows what. Nobody knows what's happening.

[Patrick Hines]

And the other thing is like, wait, everyone knows each other? So who did this? Like it is a tight knit community. So how did some outsider come in here and do this horrible thing?

[Julian Penzavalli]

And they're really describing that. Like the community is poured out onto the street. It's a little nosy neighbor ish. But it's also they're rightfully terrified. Like there's a fucking murderer on the loose.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes. So the crime scene, there's a small amount of blood on Eliza's towel.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And the cops are hoping that it's not hers because maybe it's, you know, grim, but maybe we can find the killer that way. If it's not hers.

[Julian Penzavalli]

And they're saying she doesn't have any wounds, like, like she wasn't stabbed, she wasn't shot, she's not bleeding. So there's a good chance that this blood does not belong to her and.

[Patrick Hines]

That it's defensive wounds.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Right. It's very good news.

[Patrick Hines]

So this process, it's 2005 as they remind us a thousand times. So the process to test the blood is going to take several weeks.

[Julian Penzavalli]

And I'm like, why? You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

I don't know. I'll never know why. I'll never know. I don't know why we have a 20,000 backlog. I know sexual assault evidence. I don't. I mean the answer is because no one cares. But I would love to know why we can't speed things up a little bit.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Because it's not well and like, and truly, like I'm not trying to get political, but it's only going to get.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, it's only getting worse.

[Julian Penzavalli]

It's only, it's like the, like the mass layoffs of the scientists who do this shit. It's only going to get worse.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. There are like, there are boxes upon boxes upon boxes of untested DNA, like all over the place.

[Julian Penzavalli]

And there's no shortage of people going to college for science degrees.

[Patrick Hines]

And there's no shortage of people getting hurt and needing help.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

We're fucked.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Should we just move into this Booth and stay here.

[Patrick Hines]

Are we. I don't know at this point. Like, there's no lock on that door.

[Julian Penzavalli]

There's no lock on the. Thank God. Sometimes I have nightmares about getting actually locked in the booth.

[Patrick Hines]

No, you don't.

[Julian Penzavalli]

I've had like nightmares about being like, I can't get out and like the oxygen is depleting.

[Patrick Hines]

That's not good.

[Julian Penzavalli]

I know what you say.

[Patrick Hines]

What's your subconscious telling you?

[Julian Penzavalli]

I don't know.

[Patrick Hines]

Do you feel trapped?

[Julian Penzavalli]

No, no. Like, that's the thing. I don't. But I do have that fear of like getting like locked in a small space.

[Patrick Hines]

This is the smallest space, you know? I know this room. It's very tiny.

[Julian Penzavalli]

It is very tiny, but it's ours.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Julian Penzavalli]

We did it.

[Patrick Hines]

So they're looking at the scene. The cops are scouring the house, taking photos, trying to find anything suspicious.

[Julian Penzavalli]

The back door was unlocked and that was a big red flag.

[Unnamed Speaker C]

We know a lot of burglars were just go from door to door and try the door and if it's open, you know, that's good for them.

[Julian Penzavalli]

There are criminals that go door to door just looking for anything that's unlocked. You know, I think about that with the preppy killer. That was his name. Like, I think about like you feel we live in apartment buildings and you feel kind of safe because it's like you got to get in the lobby and then you got to get up and then you gotta.

[Patrick Hines]

I don't know about that.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Right. But like, like that was what the preppy killer did. He went from, from like house from apartment to apartment, like looking for one that was unlocked.

[Patrick Hines]

I think about that. No one knows their neighbors.

[Julian Penzavalli]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

No one knows like, and you could just be like, hey, I'm just moving in. Hey, I'm just could say anything to anybody and no neighbor's gonna ask.

[Julian Penzavalli]

No. And so like, but like that's what they're wondering if that's what happened. Like, did somebody like, did they just randomly leave their back door unlocked? And like this, this hooligan found that Lizzy's door was unlocked and that's why she's the unlucky victim.

[Patrick Hines]

Cuz the thing is they, they have to talk to everyone and canvas the neighborhood, but the houses are very close to each other and a lot of them are attached. And Shaol is saying like, remember our tight knit community. Like you can't check the mail without running into someone you know, which is a lot. You don't have to say hi to everyone all the time. Can you just let sh get the mail and go back.

[Julian Penzavalli]

If you' taking the dog out in the morning and you get in the elevator and there's somebody there, are you saying good morning every time? Of course. Well, of course you are. You're very polite.

[Patrick Hines]

Every time I get in the elevator, I acknowledge the person that's in the elevator.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Me too. I enjoy, like the small acts of politeness. I like being like, polite to people on the street. Yeah, but.

[Patrick Hines]

But if it's like the same, it's this tight. I could see it being like poor Shaol just trying to get them.

[Julian Penzavalli]

And we're going to learn more about how like the community is really suffocating to these younger kids, especially to the younger generation. Yeah. And I also just wanted to say I'm going to PSA this one more time. Please lock your doors, please. Even if you think you don't need to lock your doors, I say this all the time. Do not be the cautionary tale. Do not be the reason why your neighbors start locking their doors. Lock your door. Just lock it.

[Patrick Hines]

It's so easy. The biggest proponent of that. Here he is again, my father.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Till.

[Patrick Hines]

I know Dad.

[Julian Penzavalli]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

I'll have to say I'm. We're taking the dogs out for a walk. Can you not lock the door? It's. Can you. Two seconds. We come in and it's like you're in a brick wall. I'm like. And then I'm like, knock it. Like, dad, lock the fucking door.

[Julian Penzavalli]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

And I know it's good. I know. He's right.

[Julian Penzavalli]

They escaped a serial killer by in minutes. You know what I mean? Like, of course they're going to lock the doors. Of course I'm on till side we.

[Patrick Hines]

That's the Son of Sam story. My parents, like, survived New York city in the 70s. So I told it on an after party. Everyone's like, wait, what? Welcome, new listeners. Yeah, it's a real thing that happened. But yeah, he locks the door, he hears the door close. Is it locked? Like he's just.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Till also a guy that can like, stand his own ground. You know what I mean? Like, if I'm a. If I'm a home invader and tills, the guy whose house I broke into, he's got a lot turn and walk out.

[Patrick Hines]

He's got like, accoutrement.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

You know, my dad's ever been a gun guy. He's not a gun owner. That's. I don't mean like that, but he has. Like, I just feel like he's Got something on him that could get you in or out of something.

[Julian Penzavalli]

I often tell the story about how I was broken into twice while I was home and asleep. My friend Phil recently reminded me of how often I say that story, those stories. One time I'm kind of lying. One time I was. I had woken up and I was walking into the kitchen and a man was trying to. Was coming in ass first through the window.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh my God.

[Julian Penzavalli]

And he saw me and he turned and left. Like, it was very scary for me, but apparently more scary for the guy coming in ass first. But like, that is really like every. Everything should be. Any way into your house should be locked.

[Patrick Hines]

Especially when you're sleeping.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yes. 100.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. When you're walking the dog, I almost.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Was a cautionary tale.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, I'm walking the dog. It's two in the afternoon. We're walking. We're walking all the dogs, like, calm down. And we also, like, are. We're safe.

[Julian Penzavalli]

We're walking.

[Patrick Hines]

These dogs who, like, are very sweet, but the barks are loud.

[Julian Penzavalli]

It's true.

[Patrick Hines]

Fiona is a fearsome bark.

[Julian Penzavalli]

I wanted to put a thought of you because we get some cop speak here. They were canvassing the neighborhood to, quote, ascertain who was in the area, right?

[Patrick Hines]

So now, like, again, the houses are basically attached. Some of them tightened community. The rumors start flying. Everyone's speculating wildly. A la jomezo, jogo mezzo. You know, she's. Oh, she's fighting with her mom. I didn't like the look of those landscapers. My husband did it.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Think about, like, think about that rumor you're starting.

[Patrick Hines]

Everyone's ex husband did it.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But she's fighting with her mom. So her mom clearly killed her.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, can you stop it? Shut up. So but like, the house was a mess. So was it a burglary? And then someone took advantage of Eliza. Like, we don't know. Did they maybe think she wasn't home and that they were robbing the house?

[Unnamed Speaker C]

Neighbors mentioned that there was some landscapers next door to Eliza and Seema' she describes four or five males. Was this possibly a crime of opportunity? Maybe the door was open. One of them had to go to the bathroom and saw a naked girl or maybe saw some jewelry.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Four or five.

[Patrick Hines]

They're like, I didn't like the look of those landscapers. I never liked those landscapers, let me tell you.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Oh, that's how they talk on Staten Island.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. I didn't like the look of that. If you ever watch Mob wise, it's.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Very Wallpaper in the downstairs.

[Patrick Hines]

They talk about like, so I didn't invite Renee to my party. So like, Dre is always like, I was bugging Ange. I was bugging.

[Julian Penzavalli]

You never cease to amaze me with the shows.

[Patrick Hines]

I find out that you watch Mob Wives. I had to a little bit. Like, Big Ange is like a legend. And so like we knew her like the Drunken monkey. And it's like I had to watch Mob Wives Definitely goes off the rails, but they. It's a different kind of like. So I didn't know if I was going to invite Renee to my party. And so she comes to my party.

[Julian Penzavalli]

I love it. Give me all the voices. I want you to do an entire episode.

[Patrick Hines]

Drina's the best. I once did someone's voicemail as Drina back when I was bartending. You did. I was doing Drina for whatever reason, because she's hilarious.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Oh my God.

[Patrick Hines]

I know that violence isn't the answer, but yes it is. And I did. Someone, Someone has my voicemail from a thousand years ago. Their voicemail as Drew.

[Julian Penzavalli]

I like, I wish I could figure out how to do Jennifer Tilly because I want to say I'm not buying diamonds with Chucky money. You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

I don't know that quote from oh my God.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Because she's doing, you know, she's like housewife adjacent now apparently, or whatever.

[Patrick Hines]

She's a friend of. I'm not up to the recent season I'm about to start.

[Julian Penzavalli]

And she, they're like at a pool and she's talking about how like when they got divorced, they had $700,000 in the. Her husband was writing her a check for 350k and somebody was like, you need a divorce lawyer. And then she like got a piece of this.

[Patrick Hines]

She's like, well, she, her husband was on the like, wrote the Simpsons.

[Julian Penzavalli]

He created. He co created it. And so she's saying, I got a piece of the Simpsons. They're like, did you get more money? And she's like, I got a piece of the Simpsons. And then she goes, I mean, I'm not buying diamonds with Chucky money. Chucky money is my fun money.

[Patrick Hines]

That's. That's spectacular. That's excellent.

[Julian Penzavalli]

I love that. I just got to tell you, a house.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm not there. It'll be the next episode I watch.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Hahaha.

[Patrick Hines]

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[Julian Penzavalli]

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[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. And you can, like, maybe you're training hard for something, maybe you're just trying to stay active, but hydro really to where you're at. So it's low impact, it's easy on your joints, but it still gives you that perfect mix of strength and cardio.

[Julian Penzavalli]

I was running for so long, my back started to hurt and I'm like, I'm going to switch to hydro. And like, you never have any of that lower back pain. It is absolutely perfect.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. And they have tons of workouts with actual Olympians.

[Julian Penzavalli]

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[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. And let me tell you, like a full workout in 20 minutes of working out everything that like used to be.

[Julian Penzavalli]

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[Patrick Hines]

It's great.

[Julian Penzavalli]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Julian Penzavalli]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Julian Penzavalli]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Julian Penzavalli]

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[Patrick Hines]

Way over there to save 475 bucks. So here's. Let's learn about Eliza's family. Seema is her mother. Seema's from Israel and she has two sons from her first marriage, Raviv, who we've already met, and leo, and they're 10 years older. So Eliza is from. From Seema's second marriage.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

Seema has a cookie business. Like a thriving kosher cookie business.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yeah, they, like, deliver. Like, they, like. They deliver to, like, the neighborhood.

[Patrick Hines]

Like home delivery, Right? Yeah. So Seema gave half of her thriving cookie business to her son Raviv as a wedding present.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yes. I also want to point out that she's on, like, very good terms with her ex husband. I love that. Okay, that's cool.

[Patrick Hines]

So Raviv tells police, you should look at my sister's ex boyfriend. Yeah, we didn't like him. He's Muslim. We're orthodox Jews. The families were very unhappy.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And we learned from Eliza's friend Shaol, like, Eliza's family was going to disown her. Like, there was. It was bad. It was really bad. And Eliza's 18. Like, she doesn't want to deal with it. So Eliza is sort of forced to break up with this ex. She moved on. He apparently did not, is what the brother is saying. The half brother that the boss wants us to know.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Very much a half brother now, in.

[Unnamed Speaker C]

Fact, we learn Eliza was in bed sleeping, and she rolls over in the morning, and there is the ex boyfriend sitting at the end of her bed, silent, just staring at her.

[Unnamed Speaker E]

He clearly knows how to get into the house, maybe knows the locks, knows when people have left the house.

[Patrick Hines]

So clearly he knows how to get into the house. We gotta go talk to him.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

So just to be safe, before the cops leave the house, they get DNA and alibis from Eliza's mother and brother.

[Julian Penzavalli]

They are getting DNA from everybody. They. Maybe this is why, like, the DNA is backed up for centuries. Because, like, in the early days of DNA, they were swabbing every single person in the neighborhood. Neighborhood. To like, make sure it wasn't that.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, because everyone's like, we're close to. Everyone was in that house. Everyone knows everybody. So they kind of. They're trying to rule people out.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Right. So to that end, they're trying to get the family's whereabouts for the day. So Seema, she'd been at the office. Raviv, the brother, the half brother was delivering cookies on Long Island. Even I said long Island.

[Patrick Hines]

And you said on, not in.

[Julian Penzavalli]

I know, I know. And the closed caption said in. And I was like. I'm not saying that. I'm saying on.

[Patrick Hines]

Good job.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yeah, thank you so much. Because I grew up on Cape Cod, not in Cape Cod.

[Patrick Hines]

So, you know.

[Julian Penzavalli]

You know. Yeah. If you grew up on any sort of land mass surrounded by water, it's on. It's a. It's a. It's a tron. That you all suffer, you know?

[Patrick Hines]

But guess what? The ex boyfriend comes to the cops because the cops are going to track him down.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Thanks to the brother. So the ex boyfriend shows up to.

[Julian Penzavalli]

The crime scene, and they, quote, immediately take him down to the 122 for an interrogation. One, two, two. I was like, they're really delivering today.

[Patrick Hines]

They don't say 122.

[Julian Penzavalli]

It's the 121-22. I just. I wrote it down because I was like, that is. I just. And I.

[Patrick Hines]

7, 5, 1, 2.

[Julian Penzavalli]

It's the way the host said, like.

[Patrick Hines]

The 75, the 1 2, 2.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Or like, the 75th Precinct. You know what I mean? They're like, the 12 2, 1, 2, 2.

[Patrick Hines]

So Detective Kenny hauls the ex into the station. They want to lock him into a timeline, ask him a bunch of questions. They start grilling him about the fact that he broke into Eliza's room and being a total creep. Like, what was that about? We know there was drama. Like, give it to us, kid. Like, what the. So his side of the story is a little different, as it always is.

[Julian Penzavalli]

I mean, he's saying that, like, Eliza was. They're still into each other. They're pretending to be broken up. She's letting him in. Shaol the friend is like, I heard.

[Unnamed Speaker D]

Stories of her sneaking out to go see him. Growing up in America, we looked past religion, but unfortunately, our parents didn't. So maybe he just snuck in so she wouldn't get in trouble.

[Julian Penzavalli]

This was a mutual, this guy's not a creep.

[Patrick Hines]

And Shel was like, hey, hi. I got news for you. We were all sneaking out of the house.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

We were all teenagers. We had strict parents and a strict religion. We all had drama. If we dated outside of the religion, we were teenagers. Being teenagers, the cop is like, this is typical teenager shit.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, no one is really surprised to hear, like, in the context of where we are and this neighborhood and having Shaol here to say, like, we were. We all experienced exactly what Eliza had gone through.

[Julian Penzavalli]

And, like, this doesn't mean that he didn't kill her. Especially because, like, the thing we have to remember is that the killer put the mattress and a pillow over her face, which is. It indicates that it was personal. It was somebody that knew her, somebody that loved her and didn't want to have to, like, look at what they had done. And so. But this guy, the boyfriend, willingly gives his DNA. And Detective Michael is like, I was not getting the he's our guy vibe. I just wasn't getting It.

[Patrick Hines]

And Detective Kenny's like, look, I don't want to get tunnel vision, which I was thrilled to hear.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Good for you.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, the bars on the fucking floor. But good job.

[Julian Penzavalli]

He's like, good job for doing the bare minimum.

[Patrick Hines]

Officer Kenny, they say in the office, like, congratulations. Don't interrupt. Congratulations on doing your job.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Like, I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Bare minimum. I know, but he gets DNA from everyone. He. He says he's not really interested in confirmation bias. He wants to look at everything. And he's like, if you get too locked in on one theory, you'll miss valuable information. I'm like, louder for the people.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yeah, they tracked down all five of the landscapers from down the street.

[Patrick Hines]

I didn't like the look of those land.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Didn't like them. But they all get fingerprints and more DNA. They get cleared. These guys are cleared. They didn't do it.

[Patrick Hines]

So orthodox law says that the funeral needs to be held within 24 hours. So it's a rush for the autopsy. I mean, that's.

[Julian Penzavalli]

That's a very fast turnaround. And I'm not trying to say that in a funny way, right. That, that's. I mean, especially when there's an investigation that needs to happen here. Like, that seems too fast. Like, is there any wiggle room there?

[Patrick Hines]

No, there's not. And the cops are. Are trying to find some silver lining here. And they're kind of happy because they're like, well, now we get to see everyone in one place and kind of get to know the family. And they want to see. They want to, one, like, get eyes on everyone. And two, sort of make themselves known in case anyone wants to help out.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yeah. And I mean, you know, like they're doing that thing where they're wondering if the killer is going to show up at the fun. So they go to the funeral and the ex boyfriend who, like, willingly went down to the police station, gave all of his DNA, he shows up.

[Patrick Hines]

Eliza still has feelings for her.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yep. He shows up at the funeral and the family loses their shit. Because right now the family knows the boyfriend to be the prime suspect.

[Patrick Hines]

According to them, he 100% did this. How dare he show his face.

[Julian Penzavalli]

The mom is screaming. The brother goes right up to him. The police have the boyfriend removed, even though they're like, he probably didn't do this.

[Patrick Hines]

Now Raviv, the brother is leading the charge against the ex. He tries to physically remove him. A fight breaks out. The police get involved. They have to halt the ex boyfriend out of here, cuz Raviv the brother is going to kill this guy, half.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Sorry and half siblings. You know, I'm joking. I'm just saying that because the boss.

[Patrick Hines]

Really wanted everyone to know.

[Julian Penzavalli]

She says it 80 times.

[Patrick Hines]

But Raviv is leading the charge against the ex boyfriend. Just for what it's worth.

[Julian Penzavalli]

So after the funeral, the police meet with the medical examiner. The cause of death is determined to be manual strangulation. Being manually strangled, you kind of know that there was a struggle that went on.

[Unnamed Speaker C]

Manual strangulation also tells you something else. It's typically a crime of passion. Something unpremeditated, something that takes place between two people close to each other. It's one more sign pointing to it being someone that Elisa knew.

[Patrick Hines]

The cops are like, it's. This is absolutely something that she knew.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So. But there's more information. There's no sexual assault or trauma on her body. However, Eliza did have sex within 24 hours of her death.

[Julian Penzavalli]

And they also find skin under her fingernails, which is defensive. You know, like I can be defensive. But yeah, she, she had sex within 24 hours. And they also determined that she was not sexually assaulted.

[Patrick Hines]

And like the cops need to talk to her friends because she's. Eliza is an 18 year old girl. She has a super strict and religious family. Yes. The family knows what she wants them to know. We have to talk to her friends to get the real story, right.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Well, that's exactly right. Especially in a community like this where some young kids feel like they can't be who they are to the adults in their life.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. Because the friends are like, Eliza was super social. The cops describe her as a fun loving teenager. She was always going into Manhattan, like dancing, clubbing and shell's like, yes, can confirm. I was the one driving my mom's minivan when we were all 17 years old, going to 21 and over club.

[Julian Penzavalli]

I know. Like she. He was saying there were nightclubs where like the end. His entire neighborhood, Right. Driven by him, would be in their own little section of the club and.

[Patrick Hines]

Not talk to anyone else. So they'd go all the way into Manhattan, break all of the rules of their household to just talk to each other.

[Julian Penzavalli]

That sounds so awful. Like I remember going to nightclubs when I was in college. There was one nightclub that we went to. We went on gay nights. It was.

[Patrick Hines]

Unless it's gay night.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Right. Thursday and Saturday. Bostonians. Remember Man Ray on Thursday and Saturday. It was like the best gay club in the city. And that was really fun. I don't remember it being overbearingly loud, you know, but whenever I would go to, like, my. With my straight friends to their clubs, like, on Land Sound street in Boston. Clubs? Yes. Like. Like Access or whatever. Like, the. They were awful. Just a bunch of straight people standing around, not talking to each other.

[Patrick Hines]

That's not my scene at all.

[Julian Penzavalli]

No, no.

[Patrick Hines]

That sucks. But. But it's like, that's what you do when you're, like, a teenager. And, like, because your parents don't want you to go, that's what you're gonna do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So here's dangerous, though. So Eliza was going online to meet guys, and Shaul again, explains, in Staten.

[Unnamed Speaker D]

Island, we all grew up with each other, so I couldn't look at Lizzie or one of her friends as being my girlfriend. They were more like my sisters.

[Unnamed Speaker E]

And so it's quite natural for her to want to branch out and explore online.

[Patrick Hines]

She lived in this very insular community, and so she went online to meet people outside of that, like, secretly, because she kind of wasn't allowed to do it in plain sight.

[Julian Penzavalli]

And I just wanted to say that Detective Michael was like. When I learned that she was on the Internet. I am no match for the Internet.

[Patrick Hines]

This is 2005. It's not. I said, he's like, it's not 1975. It's 2005.

[Julian Penzavalli]

He didn't even have an email address at the time. He had to get the entire IT department to teach him how to get on the online.

[Patrick Hines]

Ridiculous in 2005. Come on now.

[Julian Penzavalli]

I got my first email address in 1996, and I remember being like, I'm never going to need this. Like, why do I have this?

[Patrick Hines]

I'm never going to need this.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Do you know that when I worked on the Maddie in the Morning show in Boston at Kiss One Way fm, we tracked down the guy who invented email and we interviewed him.

[Patrick Hines]

Really?

[Julian Penzavalli]

Isn't that wild? He worked at Harvard. Yeah. He didn't want to do an interview, but we talked him into it.

[Patrick Hines]

Edward Mail. Yeah, that's where it comes from, right?

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Email.

[Julian Penzavalli]

His name was Edward. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

[Patrick Hines]

Edwardmailmail.com Eddie mail.com.

[Julian Penzavalli]

So there was. Did you see? There was a melee at a Chuck E. Cheese, and it went on for, like, 12 minutes. And, like, in the background, you just see the Chuck E. Cheese logo was, like, Charles Entertainment Cheese with the boat. These are all punching each other in the ball pit just as he looks.

[Patrick Hines]

On like, how dare you? He's giving your shitty kids a place to run around in their disgusting socks in that ball pit. It stinks to high heaven. In there.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Edward MALE that's really, that's out there with Joe Mama. Like that's pretty good.

[Patrick Hines]

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[Julian Penzavalli]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Julian Penzavalli]

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[Julian Penzavalli]

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[Julian Penzavalli]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Julian Penzavalli]

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[Patrick Hines]

I slept well and I'm going to be sleeping well again tonight. So the NYPD's Computer Crime Unit is on the case. They have no idea what the hell's.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Going on their IT department, who was able to get onto the online.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, so they're going through Eliza's computer. They're looking through her emails, her IMs, like, trying to find out anything. Yes, because there's, like, now there's, like, strangers involved. And so now they have to go outside of this community, which is, like, a good lead, but also it can. It leads to the rest of the world, basically. Yeah. She's talking to people online, truly.

[Julian Penzavalli]

And every day they find a new lead on her computer. They have to spend all their time and resources, like, tracking it down because.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, they were finding everyone she was chatting with and then meeting in person and then looking into them. Like, are they sex offenders? Are they creeps? Are they much older than her? Like, who is she meeting online?

[Julian Penzavalli]

Well, on August 24, 2005, two weeks after the murder, the cops find this one person he and Eliza were supposed to meet the day before she died at 10am so he looks like a really good suspect.

[Unnamed Speaker E]

He had actually chatted with her about coming to the house at the right time when her mom wouldn't be there, would have presumably left for work, and she would leave the door unlocked so he wouldn't cause any sort of, you know, ruckus. And you remember, the door was unlocked. When the mom had come home from.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Work, she was gonna leave the door unlocked so he wouldn't, like, cause a scene getting in.

[Patrick Hines]

And remember, the biggest red flags the cops had was that the door was unlocked.

[Julian Penzavalli]

And so now this guy becomes, like, suspect number one.

[Patrick Hines]

So they track this guy down in Brooklyn. He's super cooperative. He gives his DNA sample over, no problem. And he says, eliza and I did have a sexual relationship. I was at the house the day she was murdered. We had consensual sex.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And remember, this is what the medical examiner said, that she did have sex, but it was not an assault.

[Julian Penzavalli]

And this is where it gets so New Yorky. I'm like, does this make sense to anybody else? Because they get a warrant for his Easy Pass, his Metro cards, and his phone record.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Julian Penzavalli]

I was like, does Easy Pass exist everywhere or is that just here?

[Patrick Hines]

I think the Tri State area. No.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yeah, because I'm like, if somebody watching in San Francisco, do they know what a MetroCard or an easy Pass is?

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, I don't know what they have for the BART in California. That's the. They used to have, like, paper tickets for the bus in San Francisco. I remember that, like, not that long ago, they had paper tickets.

[Julian Penzavalli]

There was also a rapid transit system In a town called Fayetteville. It was the Fayetteville Area Rapid Transit.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, the fart. Come on, guys.

[Julian Penzavalli]

That's true. I'm not making it up. The fart.

[Patrick Hines]

So this guy, I don't know how old he is. I don't know anything about this guy. But he's now a person of interest, obviously, because he's admitting he was in the house and had sex with Eliza, our victim, that day. So, yeah, they're tracking his movements. And then the stupid fucking New York Post does what they always do and they start attacking Lizzie's character and slut shaming her.

[Unnamed Speaker C]

It came out in the paper that she had this promiscuous lifestyle.

[Julian Penzavalli]

The media kind of painted her as a bad girl.

[Unnamed Speaker C]

We were kind of surprised all of a sudden that this came to light.

[Julian Penzavalli]

In the newspaper and the Post takes it and turns it into like some slut shaming. Horrible story.

[Patrick Hines]

I found the article you did disgusting. It's gross, but it's very. It's all about, like, the sexual encounters and all about whatever, but they also.

[Julian Penzavalli]

I hope no gay man ever gets murdered because, like, you know what I mean? I was really thinking about this. I was like, we really only do this to women. You know what I mean? It's just taken for granted that men of any sexual orientation, if they were to find this on their computer, like, it would be to be expected, you know?

[Patrick Hines]

But was also what's really interesting, that they didn't mention this in the episode, but in the article I found, which is horrifying, by the way, and I'm not going to give it any more. More air, but apparently Eliza, she was involved in an encounter that prompted her to file a rape complaint. Oh, in Brooklyn, because she had told allegedly, like, according to their police sources that she said that she did have sexual consent with a man that she met at a club in Manhattan, but when she woke up, there were other men there and she. So she. She filed a police report and then didn't want to pursue the case for the millions of reasons why we don't want to. And especially she would, like, get in trouble.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

From her community, I would think. I'm just saying. I'm not assigning things. I'm just saying, like, she probably too scared to say she was in Manhattan. Yeah, like, at the very least. So there were no charges brought. But it's just like, I. I just wanted to say to everyone, or like, anyone with kids or a loved one who's young, like, please be careful with who you meet online. Like, please Be so careful. I know that, like, it feels more accessible now because like TikTok and you feel like you know people, but like you never know someone who you're meeting for the first time that you started a relationship with online. Like, I know that really beautiful friendships and relationships can be created online, but like this, when I read the article and I saw that she had filed a of couple complaint, I, like, it hit me again, like, how dangerous it could be.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

As like a young, pretty teenage girl to be like, meeting people far, like, in a different burrow. Scary.

[Julian Penzavalli]

And the, and God. And I, once again, I'm not trying to assign anything either. But she was pushed to do that because she didn't have access to meeting people outside of her community in her life. That was the only way she could do it.

[Patrick Hines]

And when I was reading it, it's like, wow, New York Post. What a shitty way to highlight, like, how new and dangerous online dating dating is at the time. Like, I don't like your tone and I don't like what you're implying, but this could have been part of a study of like, wow, yeah, be careful, everybody. But of course, the New York had to do what they do.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

But the point is, like, how dare you? And Shaol is like, first of all, the Internet is a cesspool and women are dealing with creeps on a regular basis. Even in 2005, when it, quote, just started, according to the cops, of course. And you had an email address in 1996.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Like, please.

[Patrick Hines]

But like, most importantly, she was just murdered. Like, how dare you put this garbage out there about this person and his friends.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Right?

[Patrick Hines]

Like, how dare you?

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yeah, it's, I mean, the Post, I, I'm sorry that you had to put yourself through the reading of the Post article.

[Patrick Hines]

I, I, I am too.

[Julian Penzavalli]

You know, it's horrible.

[Patrick Hines]

Sucks.

[Julian Penzavalli]

So the community is getting impatient that the investigation is taking so long. I, I mean, the investigations take as long as they take. But I also understand, like, it's, there's a murderer on the loose.

[Patrick Hines]

There's a murderer on the loose. And it could it be someone in their community.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

That it's very scary. So it's 9-13-2, 2005. Finally, there's a major break in the case. The DNA is finally back and the cops are stunned.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yeah. Because it's the DNA that was found on the towel. Now remember, Eliza didn't have any blood on it was, she was not killed in a bloody way.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Julian Penzavalli]

So the thought was that this DNA would belong to the killer and they.

[Unnamed Speaker C]

Tell me that the match is a close relative to Eliza. They knew that the DNA was that of a male, so probably a brother or a father.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Either her brother or her father.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Julian Penzavalli]

And we know that her father and her other older brother are back in Israel. Which only leaves Raviv.

[Patrick Hines]

And the DNA is not just from the blood, but under Eliza's fingernails.

[Unnamed Speaker C]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

So the only person it could be is Raviv. Raviv, who was a wreck at the crime scene. Raviv, who told the cops to look at the ex boyfriend. Raviv, who physically fought the ex boyfriend at the funeral.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

That.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Raviv, the one who had the alibi saying he was on Long island delivering cookies.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. He is a DNA match. Just to really, like, be clear, Raviv is a DNA match to both the blood on the towel and the DNA under Eliza's fingernails?

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

So now we have to track Raviv's.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Movements to get his cell phone and his easy pass information.

[Patrick Hines]

And the cameras from the bridges and highways. Now Raviv's story to the cops. You fucking idiot. Stay stupid. I know is that at 1pm he was out delivering cookies on Long Island. Wrong. They have him coming into Staten island at 1pm they have the toll information.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

He's lying. The cops want to talk to him now.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yeah. 1:30. They have him within a block of Eliza's house.

[Patrick Hines]

Now. The cops are like, we need to talk to him. They call him up. He doesn't feel like going to help sister's murder investigation. He's too busy. There's a party he really wants to.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Get well, because they haven't told him why they want to talk to him. And I think if you revive and you get that call, you're terrified because it's like anytime the cops are calling you without saying, we got the. We got the killer, you're watching your back.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, then they're like, we need your help with your sister's murder investigation. He's like, I'm too busy. And then they trick him by saying, yeah, no, it's about that ex boyfriend you hate. And he's like, oh, in that case.

[Julian Penzavalli]

I'll be right there.

[Patrick Hines]

So he heads to the station, he brings his wife. They put the wife in the other room.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And they talk to her, Raviv, alone. And because they're the cops are like, we cannot.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Why would he do this in a million years? What would his motive be?

[Patrick Hines]

So Raviv is, like, immediately belligerent.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

They lay out all the evidence. The DNA matches the blood, you know, skin under the nails. The proof that he was not delivering cookies.

[Julian Penzavalli]

It's still so early in the D in DNA that he thinks he can still talk his way out of it.

[Patrick Hines]

Right?

[Julian Penzavalli]

That, like, it doesn't matter that he's a direct DNA match for the blood on the towel and the. And the skin under her fingernail.

[Patrick Hines]

And he's so belligerent, he's denying it. And they trick him again and they trick him into telling the truth. They use that shitty article from the Post and they say, look, everyone is saying she was sexually assaulted. So unless you want the whole town, including your mother, to think that you raped your sister, you should tell us what happened.

[Julian Penzavalli]

And like, that honestly does the trick. It works.

[Patrick Hines]

So here's what Raviv tells police. This piece of shit, this entitled piece of shit.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Unbelievable that he doesn't even try to make himself look good in the story.

[Patrick Hines]

This is the story he tells.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

He just got married. He says, I'm living with my in laws in their basement. Apparently the house is enormous.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

He's under a lot of pressure to make a lot of money. And that shouldn't be a problem though, because I'm like, your mother handed him 50% of your thriving cookie business.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Which, by the way, as soon as he got involved, fell apart.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

So as Raviv tells it, the business.

[Unnamed Speaker C]

Wasn'T really worth, like, what he would feel would be appropriate wedding gift. So he felt that his mother still owed him a wedding gift.

[Patrick Hines]

He felt that his mother still owed him a wedding gift like that. Who is this piece of shit?

[Julian Penzavalli]

Unbelievable.

[Patrick Hines]

And he wants his mother to give him some of the money she got from her divorce.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

Because she sold a house in Israel and she got a nice chunk of change.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

And because he is driving the cookie business into the. He wants more of the money that is hers.

[Julian Penzavalli]

And not only that, she gave you.

[Patrick Hines]

Half of her thriving business.

[Julian Penzavalli]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

And it's. And it's not enough.

[Julian Penzavalli]

No, I know. And.

[Patrick Hines]

And for a wedding gift, he's gonna go to a toaster or some candlesticks.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Half the people business. I know. And it's also just like, imagine him living in his, like, wife's family's house and they're all coming down on him for not making money.

[Patrick Hines]

Titled piece of. He's living in someone else's house, demanding his mother's money. Who does he think is?

[Julian Penzavalli]

And then he goes to get it. So what happens is on the day of the murder, he's driving to Long island to deliver the cookies. He decides to make a detour to his mother's house. He thinks his sister and his mom will both be at work. So he's going to rummage through his mother's shit looking for the check.

[Patrick Hines]

That's why the house was a mess. Yeah, he's looking, he's looking for the.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Money, I mean, which is just unbelievable.

[Patrick Hines]

It's unbelievable. So Eliza's in the shower.

[Julian Penzavalli]

She doesn't know that he doesn't know she's home.

[Patrick Hines]

She gets out of the shower and they're both shocked. Neither of them can believe it. Now Raviv says to the cops, Eliza, this is all bullshit by the way. But Eliza sees him and immediately jumps his back and scratches him. Which even in this story to me says there was a lot of animosity there for a long time.

[Julian Penzavalli]

There must have been.

[Patrick Hines]

So in self defense he throws her off him and that's when she falls and hits her head on the box spring and passes out and dies. Bullshit.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So Raviv can't believe what he's done.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Those stories never work by the way.

[Patrick Hines]

And we know. I'll. Yeah, we'll get into the facts in a minute. But Raviv then says to the cops.

[Unnamed Speaker E]

And he's so shocked by what he's done, he can't believe believe that he's just killed his sister. That he covers her body and he continues on to his delivery route, keeps.

[Patrick Hines]

On delivering the cookies. Yes. Now this is because the autopsy says that he suffocated her.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Right? And it was manual strangulation.

[Patrick Hines]

So like stop.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

So the cops have everything they want. All this evidence, DNA evidence, the easy.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Pass, he admits that he killed. You know what I mean? Like at this point it doesn't even matter what they're. I mean of course it matters to us what the real story is. But they got him.

[Patrick Hines]

They got him. Travel down the road back again, girl.

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[Patrick Hines]

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Terms and conditions apply. See site for details. So Seema, the mother, of course, is devastated. She just lost her daughter and her son and realized that her son is a mother. Monstrous murderer.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Shaul puts it so well. He says she was so embarrassed and heartbroken and ashamed. You know, like, of course. The idea that he. And for what? Like, what really happened there.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Julian Penzavalli]

You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

That's a job. You asked her.

[Julian Penzavalli]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Or wait, your mother gifted you half of her business and you couldn't even do that? I just want.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Like, I'm so. I'm tormented by not knowing why he actually did it.

[Patrick Hines]

I think maybe there was more conversation. Maybe he thought Eliza was going to get the money. Or maybe. Or maybe his mother said, I gave you half of my business. Whatever I have, I can do with what I want.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Right?

[Patrick Hines]

So maybe Eliza was in the. I don't know what happened. Or they fucking hated each other because this guy sounds like a dick.

[Julian Penzavalli]

It doesn't seem premeditated. Like something happened in that moment that made him want to kill her.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, Shaul makes a good point because he pleads guilty and to first degree manslaughter and gets 18 years. And this is when Shaul says, wait a second.

[Unnamed Speaker D]

I hope he never gets out. If he can do that to Lizzie, what can he do to somebody else? He killed his own sister with his bare hands and stuff. They're underneath a mattress. That's. I don't even have words for that.

[Patrick Hines]

What else is he capable of exactly.18 years, according to show is nothing because this guy's a danger to society.

[Julian Penzavalli]

I looked him up, like, 18 years. He should be out now, and he's not.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, according to New York State inmate lookup, he was released to immigration in October of 2020.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Oh, shit.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Julian Penzavalli]

So he was sent back to Israel.

[Patrick Hines]

He was all it says in his thing in his, like, file, it's New York state inmate look up. He was released to immigration in late October of 2020.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Oh, my.

[Patrick Hines]

There was a lot of stuff going on with incarcerated people in 2020.

[Julian Penzavalli]

So they were releasing a lot of.

[Patrick Hines]

People early, people around, and so that's what happened. Was released to immigration, but I don't know what immigration did.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Oh, my God, girl. We did. What's it called?

[Patrick Hines]

So this is an episode of New York Homicide. It's episode four. It's called Staten Island Secrets.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Yeah. Such a good series. Oh, my God.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. So we'll. I mean, we have plenty of bonus episodes. This is always on the roster, everybody. Every once in a while, we'll throw in a bonus episode of this one.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Fam. Join us in our Facebook group. It's the True Crime Obsessed podcast discussion group. Go in there to make new friends to, like, see what's going on with us and just like to hang out and have a fun place to go.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Join us on the Patreon. Over 450 full ad free bonus episodes to download the second you get it.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. This timeline is very weird. I never know where we are because we're, like, very ahead on the regular feed and a little. But we're about to start recording our Fox Hollow Murders episode one in, like, two minutes from now.

[Julian Penzavalli]

And then after that, we're. We're doing Karen Reach. I mean, it's what. And we just did Scamanda and Gabby Petito. I mean, it's. There's a lot. So much, so much, so much. It's amazing.

[Patrick Hines]

The Patreon is stacked for months to come, I'll say that.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Not to mention the monthly drag bingo at the $5 level.

[Patrick Hines]

And the monthly surprise. We did that. Like that Lori Valo jailhouse interview.

[Julian Penzavalli]

We kept that. Oh, fam, we love you. Thanks for. Thanks for hanging out with us for an hour.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. Happy bonus surprise episode. We'll see you soon.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Bonus day. We love you.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Julian Penzavalli]

Bye.

[Patrick Hines]

Bye.