463: Untold: The Fall of Favre

Summary

True Crime Obsessed: “Untold: The Fall of Favre” (Episode 463)

Release Date: October 21, 2025
Hosts: Jillian Bedavalli & Patrick Hines

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Main Theme

This episode recaps the Netflix sports documentary "Untold: The Fall of Favre," exploring the meteoric rise and devastating fall of NFL star Brett Favre. The hosts examine Favre's football career, celebrity worship, and the shocking off-field scandals—including allegations of sexual harassment and the largest welfare fraud in Mississippi’s history. With humor and incisive critique, Jillian and Patrick dissect the culture of sports hero-worship, misogyny, and systemic failures that allowed Favre’s abuses to go unchecked.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Hero Worship and Its Consequences (00:37—09:08)

• Brett Favre is immediately painted as a problematic figure, both for his actions and the idolatry surrounding him.
• Green Bay’s obsession with football fuels extreme hero worship, leading local culture to excuse and overlook players’ misdeeds.
  • “The hero worship goes to the next level. And that's really the crux of this whole thing.” —Jillian, [09:38]
• The hosts discuss how young athletes are often dehumanized and treated as gods, encouraging entitlement and bad behavior.
  • “Treating him like a God when he's 20 years old just led to him being a piece of shit off the field.” —Patrick, [04:46]

2. Separating the Art from the Artist (10:04—11:04)

• Jillian and Patrick confront the difficulty of admiring athletic talent while reckoning with serious personal failings.
  • “It's hard to talk about how beautiful... It's like watching O.J.” —Jillian, [10:29]

3. Favre’s Rise and Football Career (12:26—19:46)

• The podcast recaps Favre’s rise: high school prodigy, University of Southern Mississippi breakout, and NFL “gunslinger.”
• Favre’s Green Bay era led to a Packers renaissance, breaking a 20-year slump and fueling even greater ‘god’ status.

4. Women in Sports Media: Jen Sturger’s Story (20:13—31:18)

• Jen Sturger, initially spotlighted for her looks (“cowgirl co-ed”), is sexualized by media and fans.
• Despite using her newfound notoriety to advance her career, Jen is never allowed to control her own narrative.
  • “The world should be such that this beautiful, brilliant woman can do Maxim, Playboy, in Sports Illustrated and also go to criminology class and be taken seriously.” —Jillian, [29:31]
• Her experience highlights the double standard and lack of agency for women in male-dominated spaces.

5. The Harassment Begins: Power Imbalance (51:36—58:49)

• Favre’s pattern of inappropriate behavior escalates when Jen is targeted for sexual harassment after joining the Jets as a game day host.
  • “This person just keeps pushing the boundaries.” —Patrick, [54:48]
• Brett Favre personally reaches out—via MySpace and then through illegally obtained phone contacts, sending persistent messages and explicit photos.
• Jen is left in a no-win situation: respond and risk retaliation, complain and get fired, or ignore and still lose her career.
  • “There is no good solution for her.” —Jillian, [55:53]

6. The Fallout: Systemic Abuse and Media Betrayal (58:49—71:14)

• Jen’s contract is not renewed after she rebuffs Favre—she did nothing wrong, yet her career is derailed.
• The story gets out, not through Jen, but through Deadspin, where an off-the-record conversation is mercilessly published without her consent.
  • “She loses her job because of this. Because she did nothing.” —Patrick, [66:22]
• Jen becomes the villain in public discourse, blamed for the scandal, and further objectified by the press.

7. The Lack of Accountability (71:14—77:02)

• Amidst mounting media attention, Favre never faces meaningful consequences; the NFL issues a fine for “lack of candor,” not harassment.
• Jen Sturger's story is co-opted, and she is forced to relive her trauma in a media circus, met with skepticism and victim-blaming—even by supposed allies like George Stephanopoulos.
  • “She did nothing. She didn’t start it and she didn’t respond to it. She did nothing.” —Jillian, [72:26]
• Other women (Christina Scavo and Shannon O'Toole) reveal similar harassment and subsequent firings, showing a pattern of institutional neglect.

8. The Welfare Scandal: Greed on a Massive Scale (78:47—84:50)

• The documentary’s final act uncovers Favre’s involvement in siphoning at least $5 million of Mississippi welfare funds (the poorest state in the U.S.) to build a volleyball stadium for his daughter.
  • “He’s stealing welfare money from the state of Mississippi, which, by the way, is the poorest state in the country.” —Patrick, [80:20]
• The scheme involved corrupt officials, laundering money through state programs. Favre’s net worth—over $100 million—makes his actions especially egregious.
  • “You should be so horrified that... the money intended for these kids... Brett Favre alone... $1.1 million just for himself.” —Jillian, [83:37]
• No meaningful legal or professional consequences follow; Favre remains an icon, protected by his celebrity and whiteness.
  • “If you are perceived as a superstar and you are white, in many instances, you get a pass. Brett Favre is getting a pass.” —Sports Journalist, [86:07]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Sports Hero Worship:
  “It's like, we, we've talked about this off mic, but like, I am not a separate the art from the artist kind of person...it's really hard because...it is magical to watch what he can do...but I don't want to give this guy any props because he's such a monster.” —Jillian, [10:04–10:46]

• On Women’s Agency:
  “The world should be such that this beautiful, brilliant woman can do Maxim, Playboy, in Sports Illustrated and also go to criminology class and be taken seriously. The world should be like that. I know.” —Jillian, [29:31]

• On Harassment:
  “She loses her job because of this. Because she did nothing.” —Patrick, [66:22]

• On Systemic Victim-Blaming:
  “She was feeling so alone and so silenced for so long that she said it to someone and instantly realized the mistake.” —Patrick, [70:29]

• On Accountability:
  "If you are perceived as a superstar and you are white, in many instances, you get a pass. Brett Favre is getting a pass."—Sports Journalist / Narrator, [86:07]

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Important Timestamps

• [01:37] – Introducing the documentary & Favre's name/running joke
• [04:19] – Favre’s early athletic talent and mythic status
• [13:08] – Sports fandom and community: why the culture matters
• [20:13] – Introducing Jen Sturger; sports media as a hostile landscape
• [27:40] – Media’s sexualization of Jen & public objectification
• [51:36] – The harassment: Favre begins to target Jen
• [54:47] – Favre’s explicit messages escalate; institutional powerlessness
• [62:04] – Jen loses her job; isolation and lack of support
• [66:22] – Deadspin publishes the harassment story against Jen’s will
• [72:19] – George Stephanopoulos victim-blames Jen in an interview
• [75:01] – “Gotta respect the guy”—men excuse Favre’s behavior
• [78:47] – The welfare scandal unfolds; Favre's unchecked greed
• [86:07] – Final assessment: white privilege and superstar immunity

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Tone

The hosts’ signature blend of humor and righteous outrage flows throughout. They celebrate righteous women, excoriate institutional misogyny, and never lose sight of the humanity at the story’s core. The comedic banter is frequently underlined by anger and sadness for victims, but always punctuated with clear-eyed calls for systemic change and accountability.

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Conclusion

This episode explores not only Brett Favre’s individual failings but also the larger systems—sports hero worship, misogynistic media, and institutional power—that enable and excuse his egregious behavior. The hosts champion Jen Sturger and other women like her, advocating for more female representation and support structures in sports and media. Ultimately, "Untold: The Fall of Favre" becomes a lens for questioning who we elevate in society, who we protect, and at what cost.

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Team Jen. Team Women. Team Bennie Thompson. Anyone but Brett Favre. —Patrick & Jillian, [86:54]

Transcript

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Girl, we're doing the sports.

[Patrick Hines]

We are, we are, yes. We're on. Uh huh. I just, I hope everyone but Brett Favre and Michael Vick have fun.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 100%.

[Patrick Hines]

What's up? Hi.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Jilly Bedavalli. Hello.

[Patrick Hines]

Patrick Hines.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Girl, we hit the 100,000 subscriber mark on YouTube.

[Patrick Hines]

That is crazy.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And growing like as of right now, we're like 108,000. It's insane. So fam, thank you for following us on YouTube. I love you for watching episodes and commenting. We're getting so many comments. If you haven't subscribed, please do go check it out on the YouTube. It's. We give good YouTube. I'm just going to say it.

[Patrick Hines]

It's crazy. It is crazy.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

The YouTube has grown so fast. It has blown my mind.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh my God. It's making me really anxious. You see, I'm like wringing my hands. It's just so crazy.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know. It's wild. We love it. We're having so much fun. We also have a discord.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, Discord is super fun because discord is a place where you can have like a lot of channels. That's what I always like promoting. You could have like episode conversation and then patreon. Episode conversation and then like music or here's. Or here's general stuff or I don't know. It's very, very fun.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

You're the disky queen. I love it so much.

[Patrick Hines]

Barely. I'm just there having fun. But I always like let everyone know what we're recording that day.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

You know, it's like, it's sort of a direct line.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

In a lot of ways. So everyone on the disky is like super, super nice.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And when I call you the discy queen, I wanted to call you the disco queen. And then I imagined you on roller skates with like, like hot pants in the 70s, which.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, like Roller girl.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

[Patrick Hines]

I mean no one could compete with roller girl. But I'm happy, I'm just happy to be nominated.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Our mutual roller girl love really makes me happ. Oh my God. What are we talking about today? Girl.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh God. Untold on Netflix the Fall of Farve that guy spells his name wrong.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

He does. Well, they get it wrong when they draft him the first time they call him like. What do they call him?

[Patrick Hines]

Well, it's spelled F A V. He just spells his name wrong. He's an asshole.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Oh, is it like Favre?

[Patrick Hines]

It's like Favreau, but It's far.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Not in my notes. In my notes, it's F, A, R.

[Patrick Hines]

V, E. I mean, me too, for the sake of telling the story, but this guy's an asshole. At the very least of his issues is that he spells his own fucking.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Name wrong, this guy.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

Some people might say he was a football God.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

But, I mean, look, there are a lot of reasons why you might question Brett Favre's inner goodness.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

Allegations that he sent lewd texts and photos to a New York jets sideline employee.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Why are we shocked that a football player wanted to sleep with you?

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

You were selling sex.

[Jen Sturger]

Because I think there's some level of professionalism that's expected in the workplace. He was like that guy at that. Just could not get the hint.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

I'm going back to the hotel.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

He starts to go through life thinking, I can do whatever I want.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

At what level does that stop? I'm not getting into that. In the life of Brett Favre, not everything is what it seems. Maybe we shouldn't be surprised that he got caught up in a federal welfare misappropriation scandal.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

The very first thing we see is text on screen that says, a Netflix spot sports film. And I said, what am I doing here? Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And then Michael Vick is here, which I find insane. And I'm like, well, no one else speak about you fell tell. But I mean, like, that's who they like.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

They have Michael Vick being like, hey, we all make mistakes.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Tell them what he did. Because now that you mentioned it. I know, but I had forgotten.

[Patrick Hines]

I just don't understand. Michael Vick is the guy who got. Who did a lot of horrifying. I mean, disgustingly horrifying. Dog fight it. He's the dog fighting guy.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And it's weird to me that he's going to sit here and not, like, take full ownership for the awful shit that he did. He's just going to sit here, be like, I'm a football player expert and.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I'm a Brett Favre defender.

[Patrick Hines]

And not saying, like, well, we all make. I don't. You know what I mean? Like, it's not like, Michael Vick, dog fighting guy, lower third. He's just like a guy who's like, you know, we're all. We all. You know, we're all humans. And I'm like.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

At one point, he's like, everybody robs banks and goes to jail. Like, he says that.

[Patrick Hines]

Who are you, the mom from Unknown number? Like, sorry, we all do bad sometimes.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

What does her face do again?

[Patrick Hines]

Okay, I got to look in the so her mouth, her lips don't connect. And then she's got. And then talks like she's a ventriloquist. She's a nightmare. And that she sexually harasses her daughter and her daughter's 13 year old boyfriend.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

It's really bad. She should be in this documentary anyway.

[Patrick Hines]

Brett Favre is a quarterback.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

You only had to see Brett throw a football one time to see the arm strength. And there's just very few human beings that can do what he could do with a football.

[Patrick Hines]

Immediately everyone's like, oh, everyone treated him differently. He was never really a human being. He was always a football God.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And it's. I mean, we see it like, it's unabashed how these people never treated him like a person. Even as soon as, like everybody understood what a fucking dirtbag he was.

[Patrick Hines]

And it's like treating him like a God when he's 20 years old just led to him being a piece of shit off the field.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah, well, we go to Green Bay, Wisconsin. It's football season. They say this is what you schedule your wedding around. Like the people love the sports. They love it.

[Patrick Hines]

Okay, when I hear Green Bay, Wisconsin, I think of one thing.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

What?

[Patrick Hines]

Do you know about the Bath and Body Works candlelady? No. Do you know about this thing? Okay, so she is. I only learned about it kind of recently. In the last like few years.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

You're a wealth of dollars.

[Patrick Hines]

It was a viral video. It was like a 13 minute rant about how she wanted like the winter candy apple car.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I do know. And there was the woman who did the thing where she like did.

[Patrick Hines]

She did the lip sync of it.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And it was perfect.

[Patrick Hines]

It was perfect.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Like with the facial expressions and everything. Yes. That was in Green Bay.

[Patrick Hines]

It was in Appleton, Jen in Appleton. But she's like, I went all over. I went to Oshkosh, I went to Green Bay. She's wearing a Packer shirt.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Ye.

[Patrick Hines]

She's doing the whole thing. This is going to be extremely explicit. She's looking for candles, everybody.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Oh my God.

[Patrick Hines]

But she's been searching high and low. And so I just think, whenever I hear Green Bay or Wisconsin or the Packers, I think about that lady. I mean, then the lady who does the recap or the lip sync of it.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

The lip sync of it is incredible. Like you can, you could get lost in it. It's a true form. Yeah. And she memorized the entire thing.

[Patrick Hines]

It is Jen from Appleton. Like, it is just when I hear Wisconsin, I go to Appleton. I think of this, I think of The Peach Bellini. I think of the whole. If you really please. It is worth your time.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes, it is. It is.

[Patrick Hines]

It is so worth your time that sometimes might. Like, there was one Sunday, a couple Sundays ago where Mike and I were in bed and I like, he referenced something like before we got our bagels and I was like, you know what that reminds me of? 15 minutes later, we watched the whole fucking thing.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I mean, sometimes the peek inside your brain is so fascinating.

[Patrick Hines]

I love it. Like, I love it so much. It is so ridiculous. Travel down, girl.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bedavalli]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bedavalli]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bedavalli]

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[Jillian Bedavalli]

I just want to say, in Green Bay, football is everything.

[Patrick Hines]

People are obsessed.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I could never live in that town.

[Patrick Hines]

What are you going to do? Where is that lady's peach Bellini candle or the, what is it? The winter. Whatever the fuck. Winter candy apple.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

You're exhausted by how much people love football. I get it.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm with you because it leads to this point. That's why it's exhausting because it leads to people doing bad things.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And I got to say, like, one of the things about watching the sports and we'll get there when we get there, but like watching people who are amazing at something do that thing is kind of amazing. I know. They're monsters. It's why I like going to a Broadway show is. I mean like, you're seeing the people at the top of their game doing their thing.

[Patrick Hines]

Sometimes people on Broadway are also monsters.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Anybody come to mind?

[Patrick Hines]

No, Not a single. Not a one, not a one, not a one. But it is. We do this all the time where it's like, wow, you could have done that and then you did this, right? Like you wow, you're. You're. You can throw a ball X amount. Like, wow, you could do a really cool thing. And yet you chose to use that power for evil.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Will just never not baffle me.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

It's true. But we learn about the packers that like, they had once been a really big team, but by the 80s, they'd faded into mediocrity.

[Patrick Hines]

They had a 20 year slump. And I'm like, that's just you being a bad team for 20 years. Like two years.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.

[Patrick Hines]

20.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

You're right. Like a 20 year slump now, like, woof. And they say like when it's a franchise that is so identified with the town that it's in a 20 year.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

Slump can be pretty deflating.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

So when they're dominant again, the level.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

Of hero worship is going to be next level.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

The level of hero worship goes to the next level. And that's really the crux of this whole thing.

[Patrick Hines]

What's so interesting, and this really just occurred to me is that whenever we cover stories like this, it's like, oh, there is I in team. Because it's like, oh, a 20 year slump. And then, oh my God, this team is now at the top of the heap. But they're, they're. I was gonna say blaming it on, but giving all the credit to this Brett Favre guy.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

But it's like, well, what about the rest of the team?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Right?

[Patrick Hines]

Like there is an I in team 100%.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And that's the thing too. Like, we, we've talked about this off mic, but like, I am not a separate the art from the artist kind of person, you know, and so it's really hard because we go to the University of Southern Mississippi, where Brett Favre, total prodigy. And it is magical to watch what he can do.

[Patrick Hines]

17 years old.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I mean, the way that he throws a football would kill a person. Like, though he throws them so hard, somebody's like, he was breaking my hand with the football.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

But it's hard to talk about how beautiful. It's like watching O.J. it was the same thing.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, I knew you were gonna say it, but it's true.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Watching OJ Play football, it is unbelievable to watch somebody do the thing that they were born to do and have it be beautiful. But I don't want to give this guy any props because he's such a monster.

[Patrick Hines]

And it's like, I wonder if we just treat like a 17 year old who was really good at something.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

What would have happened? Instead of being like, he's a God, he can do no wrong.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

But I also think that you can say, well, right. But like, that could be two different things. It could be like, he's a God, he's so good at this. But we're still going to hold him accountable for this shit that he shouldn't be allowed to do.

[Patrick Hines]

He's a child.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes, yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, yeah.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And it. And let this be a lesson. No one's going to learn a lesson here. Like, no. No one is going to learn any lessons, especially the men. Well, but truly. But like, but there is the opportunity to learn a lesson here. We could say, let's stop doing this.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. That's almost more hurtful. I feel that more in my gut where it's like, they could have, but they didn't.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know. It's horrible. Because the answer is so easy. You know what I mean? The answer is just hold people accountable. Mostly men. That's what we're saying.

[Patrick Hines]

Throw the fucking ball, man.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Catch the ball or whatever. It's a ball.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

If you were to be a good person and be that great at that, let us tell you how great you are at it. But you're still just a person living in an organized society who has to play by the rules.

[Patrick Hines]

And then they forget. Like, I know. Even if you're not part of this kind of community, like, being a fan of anything brings people together, which I love. I'm unabashedly a fan. I love being a fan. But like, being a fan of a team brings people together. And it's so obvious that so early on, these kids just forget about the fandom and forget about why they're actually doing it. And then they're like, well, I'm just gonna fuck around and be a dick and forget about all the people who like, name their kid after me, their streets, or like, moved to be, you.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

Like, people live and love and breathe this kind of thing. And so when you see this asshole at 17 being like, oh, I can kind of do whatever I want.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

We're at this game in Mississippi where he's playing his freshman year.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

They were playing two lane at home and they were down by two touchdowns at halftime. Coach Jim Carmody called on Brett Favre in the third quarter. Number four displayed his leadership and God given talent. And the Southern Miss legend of Brett Favre hatched.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I put this on my Instagram this morning because my notes read as follows. There's some big game they are losing. They bring in five in the third half or whatever. He does the throwing that gets the touchdowns and they win.

[Patrick Hines]

It wins. Yeah.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Did I, Did I do it?

[Patrick Hines]

I just said it wins. Yes.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Am I a sports reporter now?

[Patrick Hines]

Did it now?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I also cannot believe how many sports reporters there are.

[Patrick Hines]

There are.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

There are so many sports reporters.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, they're all like regional. They're all. Sometimes they're just for the team.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Sometimes they're just for the area.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And it really, it's just another thing about the fandom because it's not just like people who love to watch the games and people who love to be the players, people love to write about. Like, the sports is a whole segment of our society that I don't know anything about.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, there's also just like the vibe of it. So I'm, you know, I'm not being insufferable. I mean, I'm sure I am, but like, I love when the season changes, like away from summer. Right. And so there is a vibe. Like sometimes I'm on like TikTok. Like, I'll be scrolling and it'll be like, oh, my God, like that's the sound of a football game on. Like, these women will be posting these videos, right? Where it's like, the sound of football is on. I'm in, in sweatpants and a cute hoodie and there's like really good food and it's kind of chilly and like, I'm reading my book and he's watching the game. Or there's like people over and there's like a coziness to the whole, like, whatever that like, sound is of the game. And I totally, I'm like, I don't care, but I kind of could totally get down with wearing like house slippers and A hoodie and a sweatset.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And that, like, kind of lulling me into, I don't know, a book or like making a friendship bracelet or doing.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Something in the background watching Beetlejuice, whatever.

[Patrick Hines]

And there's a breeze and it's like, oh, it's a little chilly for two seconds. Like, I'm in, like, the vibe of it is like perfection to me. And so I think a lot of people, like, we can't really forget about that. So I know I'm gonna talk a lot of shit about a lot of people being like, he's a God. But there is a moment and, like, the reason I'm harping on it so much is because when you choose to be an asshole, Brett Favre, Michael Vick, whatever, you forget about that beauty of people having something in common and family and community.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Because the hero worship breeds a self centeredness. They don't care. They only care about themselves.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. And this isn't like a football specific thing. No, no, not at all.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Everywhere. But like, just once again, like, this Brett Favre guy, he only knows how to throw a fastball. That's what they say. Like, this one guy's like, this guy.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

Was breaking fingers, breaking pads, but have probably thrown through some walls. They began to call him the Gunslinger.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

My fingers still hurt from the back.

[Patrick Hines]

Is it fastball? Baseball?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Who would. Who? You're asking the wrong gay.

[Patrick Hines]

Anyway, wait, are we at Ron Wolfe?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

We can be. Let's get there. Yeah. 1991 draft.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. Yeah. So 1991. Yes.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

This is the thing that they. People watch on the TV for a lot of sports. Do you know about this?

[Patrick Hines]

They do it for hockey, too.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

They do.

[Patrick Hines]

Sometimes celebrities come out. Yeah.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Okay.

[Patrick Hines]

It's like a thing.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

We're at the draft and it's weird.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. I don't know any more about it.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Okay. It's about 100% more than I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I said the draft is like the Tony Awards for football.

[Patrick Hines]

Apparently, kind of, you know, it's sort of. Yeah. So it's 1991, and Brett Favre gets drafted by the Atlanta Falcons. But he was supposedly expected to get drafted first.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

But he wasn't. And he was picked 30th. Like, 30 teams came and went, and then he was chosen.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

The announcer who announces his name calls him Brett Favor. And I said, this man has never lived it down. Every friend, every barbecue, they always call him Favor. And I'm like, it's Brent Favor is on this man's tombstone.

[Patrick Hines]

It's like Teresa from Real Housewives of New Jersey. She call her. She pronounces her own last name wrong.

[Jen Sturger]

She's.

[Patrick Hines]

It's Judice. It's Guidice. No.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Oh, that's. I don't know.

[Patrick Hines]

But she's like, teresa Giudice. And I'm like, that's not how you.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Say your own last name.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, so I feel like Favre is doing it right. Just say Favreau.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know, but they call him Favor. And I'm like, that poor guy. Like, that man.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, he's fine. He's like a white man who's 20 who can throw a ball. He's okay.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

We should leave him.

[Patrick Hines]

Don't feel bad.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. Fuck that guy, you know?

[Patrick Hines]

So this Ron Wolf guy.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

He's the Green Bay packers general manager from 1991 to 2001. He played in the NFL for 37 years. He's like an icon or whatever.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And he's going to go work for Green Bay, and everyone's like, hey, idiot. Yeah, Green Bay is where you send people as a punishment. This a whole big waste of your time.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

But, you know, this guy sees it the way I would hope that I would see it. He sees it as an opportunity. It's like, okay, we've got this terrible team that used to be great. Maybe I'm the guy that'll find the guy that'll make it great again. And guess what? He does it.

[Patrick Hines]

He goes, they were in sorry shape, I'll tell you.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah. Because Favre goes to Atlanta, and this. I don't know. Well, I guess if he was picked 30th in the draft, like, nobody thought he was that good. Because when he gets to Atlanta before.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

The game, Ken Hurock is running the Atlanta operation, and he says, hey, Ron, if you want to see Favre throw, you got to get down there and watch him now, because when his team comes out, they won't let him take part of that. And it was there that I found out that I had a chance to get far.

[Patrick Hines]

No one really explains why they weren't playing out. It's just this whole sort of, like, part of the lore of, like, you couldn't really see the genius unless you went to practice, rehearsal, whatever.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And then it's like, okay, well, then what's the. Like, what was wrong with Atlanta that they weren't. I don't know what the deal was. They don't explain it. I'm sure someone who knows this is screaming at me somewhere, but this Ron.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Wolf guy sees this as an opportunity because he goes to Atlanta to watch Favre play. They're not letting him play. And he's like, wait a second, maybe I can get this guy. Like, maybe we can get him to come to Green Bay and, like, let. Put him in the first string or whatever you're calling.

[Patrick Hines]

He says, he's everything you want in a quarterback. And I'm like, well, then why weren't they playing him? They don't tell us. Let's go to 1992.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

It could be a Broadway thing where he's a very strong understudy, so he'll never get cast in the lead. You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

Well, but he's going to be the star. Star of the whole thing.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

It's true.

[Patrick Hines]

So I don't know.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Okay.

[Patrick Hines]

They don't explain anything. In my notes, I have big, bold, like, highlighted. Whatever. 1992, we have so much more to go.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

It's true.

[Patrick Hines]

He's now playing for the Green bay packers. He's 23 years old.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

The first game that he's there, the quarterback gets hurt. He's out of the game. Brett Favre bump on and up comes in to replace him. He's immediately amazing. Every single thing he does. Don't ask me to explain it. I can't say the words. I don't know. I don't care. Everything he does. The packers win. And in that moment, everyone's like. Like, this is a God that I'm watching.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I mean, it's kind of amazing because, like, the. The main guy, like, the. The lead of the football, he gets hurt, like, in the first play. And far the understudy goes.

[Patrick Hines]

That's how Friday Night Light starts, by the way.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Is that right?

[Patrick Hines]

Jason street gets hurt.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Oh, my God.

[Patrick Hines]

And then it's like, oh, my God. What are we going to do?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Well, Favre goes in and does the football good. And he's throwing. Like, watching him throw this ball, it's. He's throwing it differently than we've ever. Than I've ever seen.

[Patrick Hines]

He's great at it, like, objectively great.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

It really is incredible. And it ignites the stadium.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

But what's crazy is that, like, 27 years of futility. Here comes this guy from Southern Mississippi, and he brings about such a change to the losing operation. From that point on, we never had a losing season. And that started the legend of Brett Favre.

[Patrick Hines]

It started the legend of Brett Favre. And I'm like, well, can he just be good at the thing I know you hired him to do?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Instead of being like, he's a God. He can do no wrong. Let's objectify some women, like, 5, 6, 7, 8, misogyny. And I'm like, you're paying him to throw the ball through the ball.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And I guess the idea is that it all comes down to money. The team just wants to make money, so they don't care. They're going to cover up any wrongdoing that he does. The system is set up to fail women. It really, really is.

[Patrick Hines]

Like any and every system.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So let's talk about Jen Sturger. She's awesome. She is the former jets game day host.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

She is just one of us. Like, we are with her. You love her immediately. She's so warm and nice. She says, like her. She grew up in a family that loved sports, but she always gravitated towards the arts. She wanted to get PE Credit from band because that's what she wanted to do. I was like, she's a band nerd, just like me.

[Patrick Hines]

I love it. And I'm like, why shouldn't she? I know she's playing next to the sports. Why can't it count? Like, just give Jen whatever she wants and.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Because, like, the. You know, I was in the marching band and we would. Can you believe I was in the marching band? And we would, like, do our routines in the football games. Like in the.

[Patrick Hines]

That's where you do it.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

We did a halftime show.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I hated it. I actually didn't like being in the band because. Why?

[Patrick Hines]

I think being in band is so cool.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

It rehearsed at the same time as the drama club. And my fresh freshman year, I had to choose, and for some reason, I chose the band. I'll never know why.

[Patrick Hines]

Stupid on the part of the school scheduling.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

One million percent.

[Patrick Hines]

I don't know why. I don't know why you can't do both.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

It makes absolutely. It's homophobic. It makes absolutely no sense. So I had to do the band and. But Jen was saying that she learned about football by being in the band. And you see her in these, like, nerdy band pictures and she just seems so happy. She loves it.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. And she's like, football and band go hand in hand, obviously.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

But Jen is like, I didn't really.

[Jen Sturger]

Think about sports as a career. I really wanted to be an entertainer. And then my parents told me that I was never going to make any money doing that. And so I went to school for criminology and psychology at Florida State.

[Patrick Hines]

So she went to school for a high gen. Criminology and psychology.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Like, hey, girl, can I just tell you, my friend Kate who listens to this, she wanted to go to school for acting too and her mom wouldn't let her. Her mom like talked her out of it. And I.

[Patrick Hines]

It happens a lot.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know. And, but like I don't. I mean lead is a strong word but like if Daisy wanted to go to school for perform performing arts, I'd be like, baby, I don't know about that.

[Patrick Hines]

It's. Look, I'm of the mind that you should be supportive, I guess. But I do understand the fear of like wanting to maybe have your kid have a backup plan. And I understand this is after 500 episodes of the Hamilcast of talking to actors and having people saying like, this is what I wanted to do. And sometimes the parents are like, go girl, live your dreams. And then they live the dreams. But other times, parents, I think I don't begrudge them for being like. And in case like a plan B. And then I understand why the person is like, fuck the plan B, it's only plan A. Like it's a very complicated.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

It is. And you don't want to dash your kids dreams. But like there are these performers I follow on TikTok who are so much fun, but they are talent free, you know?

[Patrick Hines]

What do you mean?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

They're going on auditions all the time, but then they'll like sing their song for TikTok and it's like not good.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, that's gotta. That's a bit then, right?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

No, no, no, it's not like they believe the two that I'm thinking of. Like they really believe in themselves. And you're like, oh no. Like you're here and you're doing it, but you're not. And it's like, does anybody in your life love you enough to be like, jen, you're not going to make money doing this. You need to go to school for criminology.

[Patrick Hines]

No, not our Jen.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

No. Well, that's what I'm saying. Like the fact that Jen's parents said to her, like, girl, there's no money in that. Don't waste your time. And she listened to them, like, is probably a good thing in the end.

[Patrick Hines]

And it's not a bit.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

No.

[Patrick Hines]

Like this is not an act on TikTok of someone being.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

No, it's not fake.

[Patrick Hines]

And well, they'll be famous soon enough because that's where TikTok is, you know.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Like that's where it's. I know. I guess so. But it's tough. It's. I'm glad that her parents were honest with her that it went okay. She studied criminology and psychology. Good for Florida. It got her to Florida State, which was like where it all began for her.

[Patrick Hines]

Travel down the road. Back girl.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

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[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. So if you're like sipping it on the daily, it supports your gut health and digestion, muscle recovery and energy immune function.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Listen, not to do tmi, but I got super sick over the weekend. I had like a stomach thing. I lived on this stuff and like they don't even tell us to say this. It is delicious. First of all, super filling. Plus I knew I was doing good stuff for my body, like getting all that nutrition, all that good stuff for the gut, health, the immune function. And I gotta tell you, like after a day of drinking it, I was feeling much better.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. And you can also like use it in meals that you're already making broth. So it can be added. Like you can add it to soups, you can add it to rice or like sauces, anything. And you get richer flavor and you get extra protein.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And like these are some quick uses for it. Right. If you want like a quick protein packed snack in the morning, if you got to keep yourself going between meetings to get you through the afternoon. If you want like a cozy, nourishing evening wind down, like you literally heat this stuff up, put it in a mug and just like sip it while you're watching your shows. Like it really like it can be that for you.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. And many people notice less bloating, which is always a good thing.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

So fam. For a limited time, you can get a free carton of Kettle and fire bone broth by going to kettleandfire.com TCO.

[Patrick Hines]

Just buy any three cartons in store and they'll pay you back for one. This works on any flavor at any retailer.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

You can find Kettle and fire in over 22,000 plus stores nationwide, including Costco, Walmart, Target, Publix, Whole Foods, Kroger and Sprouts.

[Patrick Hines]

That's K E T T l e&fire.com TCO yeah.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And tell them Patrick. Stomach bug sent ya.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, but bye to St. Colonial. Cattle on fire.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

And then there's a football game and the game was huge. You could only get tickets by lottery. It was like at the state, it's not like there were 100 people there. It's like at the Stadium.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

We're talking like 10,000 people.

[Patrick Hines]

And it's. It's 2005. It's the Monday Night Football game. It is televised. It was like a big rivalry game. Everyone is watching this game.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And Jen's like, look, I've never tried the football before. If I'm going to go to one game, it's got to be this one. It's like all the hype.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Can you answer me this question? Like, maybe this is the answer. Jen says the game was.

[Jen Sturger]

While I was there. Somebody spilled beer all down my shirt. And I luckily had a bathing suit top underneath it. So I was like, I'm just gonna wear this. It's 98 degrees outside. It's super humid. It was September in Florida. I'm like, yeah, there's dudes who are practically naked wearing glitter. I'm fine.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

You know, and she had a bikini top in her car. She decides to wear that to the game. Right. Looks great. Jen, who's never been to a football game ever in her Life, is there's 10,000 people there. She's all the way down in the front. Like, they put her down in the very, very front.

[Patrick Hines]

I think she was just joining our friends.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Because I do want to say Jen is not only woman wearing a bikini top.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Florida in September.

[Patrick Hines]

There are also men who are shirtless and wearing glitter. It's a 95 and humid in Florida. Like, they sort of just make it seem like Jen showed up half naked at the G. It's like, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Everyone was shirtless.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Totally.

[Patrick Hines]

So Jen is like, pretty. And she and her friend are wearing either like crop tops or bikini tops or whatever. So they get airtime on tv. They're at, again, just like theater. Front row of the mez. Best seat in the house.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Best seat in the house.

[Patrick Hines]

Kind of where they are.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And Jen is saying, like, everyone she knows in the world is texting her, being like, girl, we're seeing you on tv.

[Patrick Hines]

Football game right now. Like, you've never been to a football game in your life.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

That's what would happen. If I went to a football game and somebody saw me on tv. They would think I was a hostage.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. They'd be like, what's blink twice?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I mean, and I wouldn't, I'd be like, I actually. They would be correct. I would. It would be a hostage situation.

[Patrick Hines]

Jen is having a grand old time.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

She is.

[Patrick Hines]

But now Jen and her friends are getting super sexualized by the announcers. And it's like a close up of Jen and her friend. And it's just on to. Not like, I'm not trying to sexualize them, but they're like pretty girls having a nice time either wearing like a crop top, bikini top. Again, not even close to the only two girls. And also men who are shirtless. No, but the quote is like, 1500 red blooded Americans just decided to apply to Florida State, basically saying, like, these two hot girls are making everyone want to go to the school.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And apparently the guy who said it is like a famous announcer, so it's like a big deal. So she learns the next day that this has been said, she said. And then a magazine called Deadspin published the photos of her. Do you know about Deadspin?

[Patrick Hines]

It was. Yeah, it was an online website. It was like part. I. I don't know if it was. I think it was part of the Gawker family.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Oh, and Jen says this completely changes her life. She becomes known as the cowgirl.

[Patrick Hines]

Like the cowgirl co ed, like, so fudgeing stupid. But I'm like, is everyone okay? What is the big deal? I know a couple of pretty girls had on a hat and a crop top.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

At a fucking football game. Isn't that what you want?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Don't you want the hot girls to be there?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

What?

[Patrick Hines]

Is everyone all right?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

They also just want to objectify them. And, like, Jen kind of embraces it. She, like, embraces the cowgirl kind of as her alter e that I get.

[Jen Sturger]

To pretend to be when I go to football games. Because every other day of the week, if you ran into me on campus, you would not recognize me. So people were always weirded out when they figured out who I was because they were just like, really? And I'm like, did you think I was gonna wear that to class?

[Patrick Hines]

I'm sorry. Do you think I'd come to class dressed the way I did on a 95 degree, 100% humidity day? Again? Is everyone okay?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

The answer is no, because people are so uncomplicated. They cannot imagine that this woman does anything other than walk in a bikini trying to be hot and get attention.

[Patrick Hines]

It's just like, that's not what happens.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

It is 100% not what she wants at all. She's just like, oh, that happened.

[Patrick Hines]

And I have a good time. I'm going with it like everyone else in that stadium was allowed to do.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And now she's being so. There's like a target on her back. And now she's famous.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

She was the first person to quote max out her Facebook by having too many friends.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

She. Facebook will only let you have 5,000 friends. She said she was the very first person that happened to, like, good for her.

[Patrick Hines]

She's taking advantage of this.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

She's like, I'm going to. She's in Maxim, she's in Playboy, she's in Sports Illustrated. She said, no shit. I played the game. Good for her.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And like, the world should be such that this beautiful, brilliant woman can do Maxim, Playboy, in Sports Illustrated and also go to criminology class and be taken seriously. The world should be like that. I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Can you imagine?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

What do we do?

[Patrick Hines]

I know no one's okay, but I'm.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Asking, what do we do?

[Patrick Hines]

Nothing. I don't, I don't know the answer.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

I wish the answer is like, we just keep doing it. But then when you, When Jen does exactly what she's doing, which is nothing wrong, and we're not even at the, the tip of the iceberg of what happens to her. We can't just live our lives. We can't be hot and do criminology. We can't wear the bikini when it's 100% humidity at a game, when everyone else around us, like one stupid announcer said one stupid thing and that is it. And it changed her, her journey forever.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

But, like, to Jen's point, she embraced it. Like, she took it and ran with it. And we should live in a world where she can do both, where, like, this horrible man objectifies her. She turns around and makes it a positive thing. She embraces it, makes money from it, gets a little famous from it and is still taken seriously and can go to class and study and, like, be left alone.

[Patrick Hines]

And the thing is, that was happening until Brett Favre came along.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, she was able to kind of have it both ways. Which even sounds like I'm, I'm talking shit about her when I'm not.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

No, not at all.

[Patrick Hines]

She's like, no, shade. I played the game. She was playing the game. And the game was going really well for her until.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes. So Jen writes an article for Sports Illustrated.

[Jen Sturger]

I wrote like an article for Sports Illustrated and it was one of their most viewed articles. Articles for all of their college football stuff. And they offered me a full time job.

[Patrick Hines]

She's like, they offered me a full time job. Yeah, because now she's like, for lack of a better term, like, hot girl Jen, cowboy hat, bikini wearing Jen, writing articles. And now she's getting clicks regardless of if the articles are good or not. They are. I'm just saying she's using this to her advantage. Good for her.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And this was a time when, like, now influencers are a dime a dozen. But back then, like, Jen taking off in this way was a real opportunity for her and for other colleges. So she's now getting the opportunity to go to colleges all over the country. And, like, her job is to, like, be there. And, like, they all know who she is. They're excited to see her. She's got to get the crowd excited about the game, giving, like, the hometown advantage or whatever. Like, this is working out for everybody.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. So she's reporting for Sports Illustrated online, print video, on camera, whatever. And she's loving this. She's like, oh, yeah, this is what I want to do. Like, finally, a combination of all the things that she was interested in, talents that she has. She's like, this kind of. This is a good combination. This kind of works for me. So she even made meets with the commentator who objectified her, Brent Musburger.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Girl, we're doing the best we can ever.

[Patrick Hines]

But still to this day, he's like, you and your friend were one of the most attractive cutaways we've ever had. Can we fucking stop? She's not there in that capacity anymore. You are reducing her to that. Yeah, don't do that.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know, I know. And it's that whole thing about, like, how masculine and male this world is, and it's almost as though these men are only not. I mean, I know this is exactly how it is, but it's like these men are only allowing gender to be famous in this world if it's on their tracks.

[Patrick Hines]

It's almost like he wants to be like, I'll take the. Thank you anytime, J.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Right. I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, you're. You're welcome for making you famous. And like.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah, I know. So now we meet Peter King. He's a writer for Sports Illustrated. He says he first met favre in 95. I covered, like, seven or eight straight packers games that they won. And so he at one point said to me, from now on, you come into town, you're. You're going to dinner with us on Friday night. And so I covered far of a lot. Anytime you're in town, you're coming to dinner with us Friday night. And I'm like, isn't there an element of journalism ethics that is missing here?

[Patrick Hines]

Well, notice he goes, so I covered him a lot. He did not say they were friends, because journalists are never, ever, ever, ever, ever your friends.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, ever. So he's just like, if he if this guy's going to invite me to dinner, I'm going.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Brett thinks we're friends. Cool. But like, Peter King knows we're never friends because journalists, much like cops, are never your friends.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah. I hope that that's true because I imagine even these journalists are wowed by these superstars, you know? So Peter is saying, far was the kind of football hero everybody wanted. He was blood and guts. Do anything to win. And now it's 1997. We're at Super Bowl 31. That's XXI.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, great.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I did the math.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, thank you. Triple xi, Triple X I. Packers haven't been in the Super bowl for 30 years. It's a big deal. Brett Favre throws, quote, the longest touchdown pass in super bowl history, just like this guy can't. I mean, the God complex is getting bigger and bigger. The God, the worship is getting. Like every time this guy get on the fucking field, he does something that's never been done before.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know. And the thing that is.

[Patrick Hines]

Which should be great.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Well, that's what I'm saying. And like, this doesn't get said until the end, but it's like when you are that person, imagine the good you can do. Imagine like the opportunities you could give people. Imagine what you could do for the community. And like, to take your power and use it for the forces of evil is so fucked up.

[Patrick Hines]

You know, there's part of me that wouldn't wish this kind of talent on anybody.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Truly.

[Patrick Hines]

Because there's no way to do it. Because everyone else around you gets crazy.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Which will make you. You get crazy. Kind of understandably. I mean, this guy just ends up being a dick, like so many of them are. OJ Simpson's a fucking murderer.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And dead. Oh, my God, he's dead. Every once in a while I remember that he's dead. I know, but you know, like, there are times where it's like, ooh, when I see someone with that much talent, it's like, oh, no.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm worried because there's no like parameter. There's no guardrails to protect these people that are this talented.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

You know, it makes me. Maybe it's because I'm with you, but it makes me think of like Lin Manuel Miranda. Like, look at this. This is a shining example of a person who went and used his power for the forces of good.

[Patrick Hines]

Is surrounded by family and friends and people who have known him, I'm not kidding. Since he's single digit age and he.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Did that to himself, probably with the Guidance of his parents. But he did that to himself on purpose. He still lives way uptown.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. You know, like his agents, his managers, they've all known each other. They've known him since he was a kid. Maybe not single, but they went to high school together. It's all the same kind of crew. And I think that's really, really.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And he's got a very strong moral compass. Like, it doesn't have to be pred that you can be a genius and then be awful, you know, a hundred percent.

[Patrick Hines]

But when you see things like this, it's like, oh, you can see it coming from a mile away.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And the difference is the sports, you know what I mean? Because there's so much riding on it. There's so much. Like the thing about the hero worship, especially with the people in his inner circle, they all get shit out of it, you know, always. There's always something in it for them. That's where it comes from.

[Patrick Hines]

So he throws the longest touchdown pass in super bowl history. The packers win the Super Bowl. The hero worship for Brett Favre goes to a billion.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

In the heart of packers fans today, I think Bret is and will always be the guy that brought the title back to title town. So when Brett won, you go to a level of icon unlike anybody's ever seen. And he was the face, he was the. The poster child for everything.

[Patrick Hines]

He went to a level of icon unlike anyone's ever seen.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Oh, my God.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm like, but how come we've seen it a million times?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes, exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

So he's everywhere. He, quote, delivers on the field. Everything's coming up Brett.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

He's treated like a God. And I think the journalist is the one who's like, no question. I don't even think that' overstating it. People thought he was like an actual deity on this planet.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah. And maybe part of the problem is how much we all care about sports. Like, maybe that's part of the problem.

[Patrick Hines]

I don't think it's the sport. I think it's the person.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

It's kind of like maybe people are going to be traded. And then people are like, oh, well, now I have to hate the other team because the person I love was traded. It's like, what happened to just feeling cozy in your sweatpants?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, where did that go?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

So. But also, meanwhile, while. While he's a good God, he is constantly, and I mean constantly cheating on his wife who was going through chemotherapy for breast cancer. We mentioned that one time and never talk about it. Again. And I think everyone should be remembering that, because now we're going to get into the shittiness of this guy.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And how misogynistic he is. While his wife is fighting cancer and going through chemotherapy. He's going to be trying to. And he was cheating on her consistently the whole time.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And also, like, she. She's not a villain. I mean, I don't know if she's a good person or a bad person, but she's a victim in this, too.

[Patrick Hines]

I. Yeah, I think it's very complicated.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I decided not to hate her. You don't have to agree with me.

[Patrick Hines]

I don't know anything about her. I know that they're still married, and I know that he did a ton of shit that was also, like, lying, cheating, and stealing.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And she's still with him. And now blaming it on or, like, trusting her faith. And it's like, I can't.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know. I can't. I know. And Jesus, we're not mad at you. We're just mad at the dirt.

[Patrick Hines]

No, Jesus is mad, too.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

I think Jesus is as mad as we are.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

You would think that he would look like the second coming. Could be anything.

[Patrick Hines]

Look, the world isn't going pretty great. I think she's pretty mad.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know. I agree. I know.

[Patrick Hines]

So Peter the journalist goes.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

When his wife Deanna, was going through.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

Chemotherapy for breast cancer, my editor pulled.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Me aside and said, I want you.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

To write a story about Brett Favre, the family man. I was kind of like, yeah, I don't write fiction.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, I don't write fiction.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bedavalli]

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[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. Can we talk about your immune system real quick? Not yours, but, like, everyone's.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Absolutely.

[Patrick Hines]

So it's supposed to protect you. We know that. But sometimes it misfires. So in autoimmune disorders, the body starts attacking its own tissues and it creates inflammation and it causes symptoms like pain and fatigue. And this often happens long before a diagnosis is made.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

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[Patrick Hines]

And a rheumatoid factor, you know, casually known as rf. Yeah, that's an antibody often elevated in rheumatoid arthritis and other autoimmune diseases, reflecting misdirected immune activity. You kind of want to know about that?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah, fam. These are just some of the biomarkers you can be tracking on function. And if you see an indication that something is off, it literally, literally gives you like the steps you need to take to fix it.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. So function gives you access to these advanced tests so you can detect all these things early.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bedavalli]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bedavalli]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bedavalli]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bedavalli]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bedavalli]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bedavalli]

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[Patrick Hines]

I know someone saw, like, my jar. They were over my apartment, and they were like, ooh, what's that? And I was like, I became the copy in real life. I was like, actually, let me tell you all about it.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I became the copy.

[Patrick Hines]

I was just like, here I am.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

So now we learn about Brett Favre's dad, Irv.

[Jen Sturger]

Snooze.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Well, but this is the problem is that, like, Brett Favre's dad, you know, he was tough on him, but he was proud of him. And we get this whole story about when Brett Favre won the Super Bowl. He got his dad a ring, and the dad didn't say thank you, but goes and gets all emotional with his friends about Brett doing that for him. It's like, men hug your sons, tell them that you love them, and you know, the dad of it all.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, it's such a trope, right? Cause it's like he'd break all these records and then the dad would be like that one negative thing. Am I right? And it's like, we hear this all the time. These very successful people are often pushed at home or by a very, very hard coach or by their dad. And it's like. Right, but they don't all end up like pieces of shit like Brett Favre.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

No, but it is also, I think, the parents responsibility to tell him he's not a God. But meanwhile, you know, this guy was telling him that he is a God. He thinks that's inspiring him to get there. And it's also like living out his own fantasies through his.

[Patrick Hines]

And then he's like, mad at him for. For doing like 99.999% of the things. Right. Except that one thing like, my God, is there a middle ground? The answer is no. Clearly not in this documentary anyway.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah, so his dad has a heart attack and he dies. And it's awful, but they say, I.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

Think Brett had a certain level of non accountability when he became Brett Favre. But once Irv passed, he was the only one in charge of him. And I think that's where maybe things got a little off the rails. You start to get a. Of sense. Sense of invincibility.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And now that Irv is gone, Brett is just off the rails.

[Patrick Hines]

And plus he's spent the last 15 years being told that he's a God by everyone he meets.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So now there's like, someone says a feeling of invincibility, and I'm like, yeah, Also, no one is talking about the fact that he's been cheating on his wife who's going through chemo.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

They just dropped that in. And I'm like, right?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I mean, as somebody who knows nothing about this guy or this guy's story, like, yes, I didn't know anything about that. I mean, they mention it for one second, like you said, but, yeah, knew nothing.

[Patrick Hines]

And it never comes back. And it's like, oh. So that is sort of sprinkled in all the other bad shit he's doing. He also has a wife who's dealing with something horrible, and he's just like, oh, my God.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And also raising their child like. Like, they've got a kid.

[Patrick Hines]

Hi.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

So in 2005, the Green Bay packers draft Aaron Rodgers.

[Patrick Hines]

You know how I know Aaron Rodgers?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

No.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, my God. Because he's a fudgeing nightmare. He's that anti vaxxer who was going to, like, be on RFK jr's presidential ticket. Like, is an AIDS denier. What?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

What?

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, he sucks.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

We still have AIDS deniers.

[Patrick Hines]

He doesn't believe that, like, Sandy Hook was a thing. Like, he's fucking crazy.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Oh, my God, he's crazy.

[Patrick Hines]

So in, like, 2024, RFK Jr. Was like, I want you to be my VP. And he was like, football or. Oh, he was, like, getting in trouble for not, like, getting vaccinated.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Oh, my. He's not the one on Kelsey's team who, like, wants his wife to stay at home and cook the dinner.

[Patrick Hines]

No, I think that's some other asshole.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

My God.

[Patrick Hines]

I know.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

There's so many of them.

[Patrick Hines]

We cannot escape it.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know, but I don't.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, why the fuck is he here now?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Well, he's here so that Brett Favre will feel a little fire in his back.

[Patrick Hines]

Right? But here's the thing, everyone, that no one seems to remember. Sports is a very finite career. And, like, you can't play on the field forever. And if injuries don't stop it, your age will.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know. And this is the thing that makes me crazy in life. I will never, ever understand. We are in this booth. You all are listening to this episode, because you and I decided to come together and support each other in our theater podcast, Making. Making. Why can't people support each other? Why can't Brett Favre look at this, this young upstart and say, I'm a man. I did it. I figured it out. You know? Like, why can't he look at him and say, I'm not. Like, you just said, I'm not Gonna be here for forever. My body is not gonna withstand this.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, none of this should be surprising to anyone that, like, the door, like, it's a revolving door. Like, Brett, you replace somebody. Aaron is here. You guys are both fucking nightmares.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Personally, I will never, ever. I. I understand that it exists and that a lot of people deal with it. I do not understand the feel. I don't feel that. I like. I like. I love watching a situ. It's like when we were doing the Malice at the palace episode, and every one of them, when all of those players would, like, talk about themselves. They never did. They always talked about the other guy, the other person.

[Patrick Hines]

And Cheryl.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And Cheryl. And I just love that so much. And, like, Brett Favre is just like. You see what a bad guy he is?

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. And I think part of it is like, you're a God. You're a God. You're a God. You saved us. You saved us. You alone. You're on a team, but it's you alone. And so, like, when someone else comes in, it's been 15 years of him being told that he is one singular person on this team.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Who's making everything amazing. And so, like, when someone else comes in, it's not like, oh, hey, be like, I don't know if Brett was the captain of the team or whatever.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Captains.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, yeah.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

They do the. They do the coin flip.

[Patrick Hines]

Sure.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And that's how they decide who goes first.

[Patrick Hines]

Or whatever. Or whatever. But Brett should have been like, hey, welcome. Here's what I learned. Whatever. But. Because for 15 years, everyone but his father was like, you're. You're amazing.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

It's just this weird fucking small penis testosterone bullshit.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I just hate it so much. And you know what? We're only going to f. One person at a time.

[Patrick Hines]

Brett's gonna take his toys and go home. Allegedly.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Oh, my God.

[Patrick Hines]

So Brett's like, there's a new guy. Meh. So Brett's like, I'm over it. If I can't be the ultimate God, then I'm taking my toys and going home. I'm taking my ball off the field, and I am leaving.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I don't understand how this guy does not become a national joke over this.

[Patrick Hines]

In 2008, he quits football 17 times.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I mean, it's unbelievable. In 2008, he officially announces that he's retiring from football. He says, and I quote, I know I can play. I just don't think I want to. And that's what really.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, then fucking go.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

Go.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, I don't what do you want me to tell you?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

But the packers call his bluff. This is my favorite part because, like, he quit. He quit. Says he can't play, but he doesn't want to. Then he thinks he's going to be offered his job back.

[Patrick Hines]

I, I could if I wanted to, but I just don't feel like.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I don't feel like it. I mean, but he thinks he's going to get his job back. And when Brett went there, he found out I'm not going to get my job back. So he got sold on the jets and, you know, the rest is history. Instead, they sell them to the Jets. I love that. They're like, finally get out of here, guy. We got the new guy. Yeah, we got the new anti vax.

[Patrick Hines]

They're like, if you want to go somewhere, I guess the jets will have you. But like, oh. Like all of his people are like, bro, you fudgeing bluff. Too close to the sun. I guess.

[Jen Sturger]

Over.

[Patrick Hines]

But you know who else works for the Jets? Our friend Jen.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

So she's the jets game day host and her job is really to make sure everyone has a good time. She's interacting with the fans, she's representing the team. She's getting people psyched. She's kind of, kind of like the liaison between the team and the fans.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And she gets to make it up as she goes. Like, she kind of, she's like, I would come to work and they would have an idea of what I was going to do that day, but I kind of just did what I wanted.

[Patrick Hines]

Which to me I don't love because there's no protection for Jen. So Jen, her whole job is to interact with the fans, which can be very drunk. Mostly men.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah. And we meet Tim. Like there is a guy named Tim who's there to kind of like be her go between, kind of like her handler. But he's like, I'm not a security guard. Like, what am I doing here?

[Patrick Hines]

Right? He's a quote, low level supervisor of the interns. They're like, and Jen's handler and maybe her security sometimes if she needs it. And I'm like, this is really shitty because you have her out in the wild with these drunk men who may or may not know her as the cowgirl bikini Persona.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And she's pretty and she's wearing these clothes like you. She should absolutely have her own security.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And it's her job to be engaging.

[Patrick Hines]

You know, throwing her to a stadium of idiots who are going to be like, hey, take your fucking top off. Yeah, Like, I'm sure she heard that a million times. And she was out there by herself.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And Jen says as much. Like, she kind of just had to take what she could get. Like, she is telling us how few women sports reporters there are in the world. She really wants to be like them. She wants that job. And she sees this as her big stepping stone. And so, like, yeah, she's not going to make much noise, which sucks. I know it's horrendous that she has.

[Patrick Hines]

To just, like, sit and deal with it with the hopes of being like, the next Erin Andrews or whoever, like, who also had to deal with it.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Who?

[Patrick Hines]

No one had their backs. No one guided them. It was just like, everyone for themselves. And like, maybe the, quote, low level intern handler will also maybe tell some guy to leave you alone. But when you don't have that, like, security shirt on or where that. When that's not your role. These drunk guys aren't gonna listen to the friend of yours who's just like, hey, bro, can you leave her alone? You need someone in an official capacity protecting these women.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bedavalli]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bedavalli]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bedavalli]

And so now we meet Jamel Hill. She's a sports journalist. She's amazing. And she says she met Jen. She really liked her. She knew that Jen wanted to have a big media career. And she says that, like, women are always going to be treated badly by men in this field. That's a given. And no one's going to protect you.

[Patrick Hines]

And, like, by the players in the locker room, by the fans in the stands elsewhere. Like, someone. And eventually someone approaches Jen.

[Jen Sturger]

I was at a game, and someone walked up to me and they said, what would you say if I told you Brett Favre wanted your phone number? And I said, I think I like my job, and I look a lot like his wife.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I like my job, and I look a lot like his wife. And she does.

[Patrick Hines]

Does translation. Get the fuck away from me. The answer is no. So Jen goes home, logs on to MySpace. Everyone in your time machine.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know there are some people listening to this who don't know what that is.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, my God. Is that why MySpace was a mess?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

MySpace was the precursor to Facebook, and it was. That's how I met Steve. But it's. I know. It's absolutely wild.

[Patrick Hines]

It's a mess. So she has two messages from a guy who's like. Screen name is screaming Lord Byron, which is a David Bowie character. And. And I would not expect Brett Favre to, like, have a David Bowie reference, but.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Wow.

[Patrick Hines]

So she doesn't respond.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And again, like, Jen doesn't know that it's Brett Favre. Like, she's a pretty woman on Facebook. I'm on MySpace. I'm sure she's getting messages like this all the time. She just leaves it unrev.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Well. And this message is like, saying, I'm the new guy in the team. I have gray hair. That's all I can tell you. Without giving up too much info, this was the only way I could try to reach you without being obvious. Not sure what you. And then it ends. And like, I think what Jenna's gonna say is that, like, not only did she not think it was Bret, she was being punked. She thought it was like male employees of the jets that were fucking with her because she says this shit happens all the time.

[Patrick Hines]

Trying to make her look stupid when she's like, oh my God, Brett Favre wants my number.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Like, totally.

[Patrick Hines]

And then it's some idiot being like, hahaha, I got you.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Right?

[Patrick Hines]

But then she goes. And then I started getting the text messages and I'm like, how did this person get her phone number? I know she is not responding to the MySpace messages, but he's also not.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Identifying himself and he's saying the person.

[Jen Sturger]

Was trying to get me to meet them, offered to send me a car, and I just kept saying no. I just was trying to figure out who this was. The voicemails are definitely when I was like, oh, I'm in serious trouble here.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

He's not identifying himself. Like, this is. He just sounds like a predator. Like, he sounds like he's like some sicko in a car with a knife looking to kill this woman.

[Patrick Hines]

But that's the level of the ego I think he thinks that she's going to get yet. I'm new. I saw you in the tunnel. I have gray hair and I'm like, hot. Tell me more.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know. Oh my God. And that even if it's a chance that it's Brett Farrer, she's gonna go.

[Patrick Hines]

Silver Foxes are hot. But not this guy.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Not this guy. Oh my God.

[Patrick Hines]

So, like, this person wants to meet her, and Jen keeps saying no, she doesn't know who it is. She's like, I'm not gonna meet some fucking stranger. Like, absolutely not, no. And then the voicemail start. So just to be clear, and we will get into it ad nauseam in a minute, they have never met. Someone gave this person Jen's phone number without her consent, which is illegal.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Jen is ignoring the MySpace DMs, she's ignoring the texts, she's ignoring the voicemails. This person just keeps pushing the boundaries.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah. And we hear these voicemails. He's. I mean, it's him. I just finished practice, going back to my hotel room just to chill. Would love to have you come over tonight. She says she tells him no. I don't know if she had direct contact with him, but she says she tells him no.

[Patrick Hines]

And like this sucks because it's affecting her job. And now she's like, oh my God, it's Brett Favre. Like, talk about an unbalanced power dynamic.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I mean, the best example, he's a God. Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

In air quotes for 25 years. She's a 25 year old woman working as an independent contractor.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

How well do you think this is going to go for her? It's not.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I mean, and there's no good decision here because let's say she is interested and she goes over and hooks up with him. He's going to throw her away in two minutes or the wife is going to find out she says no and does what the path that she takes, which is like tries. She's not trying to get him in trouble, she's trying to just not have this happen to her. Or she goes to the higher ups and tells on him and she gets fired because now she's the pro. There is no good solution for her.

[Patrick Hines]

I couldn't agree more. I was going to say that later, but you're 100% right. So she says no, she ignores it, she's fucked. And we'll get into the details of that. But like you're saying, let's just say she said yes. And when he's tired of her or thinks she's crazy or whatever, she's. She gets fired anyway. And what sucks is that he chose her out of nowhere.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And she's fudged either way.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

She's no power here. And you know, I think Brett, how's your wife? I.

[Patrick Hines]

How's she feeling today? She doing well?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I think that Jen instantly knows as soon as he takes an interest in her, her career is over.

[Patrick Hines]

And I think she tries by not engaging at all. That is the best move for her. If I were her friend at the time, that's the advice I would give her to like, don't, don't give him a single thing. Don't engage. Say no. Sure. To have it in writing.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

But like don't engage Gauge at all. Right. Like, what other advice do you give?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

No, that. I mean that shouldn't have to be the advice, but that's the right advice. And he's not the only man who fucks her over here. We'll get into that in a minute.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jen Sturger]

And also I was watching playoff baseball and I remember my phone going off and I opened up the picture, the picture came through and the TMAIL address that it came with was be far.

[Patrick Hines]

Now he's sending dick pics.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Oh my God.

[Patrick Hines]

She's saying no. And her ignoring and not engaging is also saying no, by the way. And his wife, Deanna, they're still married to this day, so.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah. May I also say, too, that Brett Favre knows he has all the power. He knows that there is nothing she can do.

[Patrick Hines]

He's been told by everyone he's ever met for the last 20 years that he's allowed to do this.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And he takes 30 seconds to do the math, and he's like, nobody cares about her. She turns me in. We just. We get rid of her.

[Patrick Hines]

Go to the next one.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah. I mean, really, he. He knows all the power here.

[Patrick Hines]

So now they have never met at all, and she is doing everything she can that she feels comfortable doing to say she's not interested, whether it's ignoring it or whatever. But now she is in the tunnel, like, at game day, right? Like, they're kind of in the vicinity. They have never met. It's never been like, hey, I'm Brett. Hey, I'm Jen0. But they know who each other. They're, like, clocking each other.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Of course.

[Patrick Hines]

And now Brett is harassing her at work, seeing her in the tunnel. She says, making hand gestures at her.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And so confides in her friend Tim, that guy who's like, kind of like.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Kind of her security guard, but not.

[Patrick Hines]

Really just like her friend, but he really has another job to do. Like, not in any official capacity.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

He's, like, walking her to and from where she needs to go because she's like, okay, I finally found this job that I kind of love, and I didn't know I was going to love the job. And now I have it. Now this guy and who's the most powerful guy in the stadium is harassing me. What do I do?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And the other thing, like her friend Tim tells us, not only does she know that she's going to lose her job over this, she's now miserable going to work.

[Patrick Hines]

That sucks.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And that should matter.

[Patrick Hines]

It's so unfair.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Even if he moved on to some other woman or whatever and left her alone, she would still feel intimidated going to work every single day. And that is so unfair, like you're saying.

[Patrick Hines]

And more than that, it's lonely.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, it's so lonely. And Tim is great. I'm sure he believes her.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

He's walking, but he's got no power either.

[Patrick Hines]

But it's like, I've. I've been in that situation where, like, when I was working at kroc, the radio station that Howard Stern was working at, before he went to Sirius, like, that was a real fucking boys club, man. And like, there wasn't a woman in the room. When you had to walk through that gauntlet to get the newspaper in the morning for the street team, it was all fucking ba, ba boo. It was, it sucked.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And there wasn't anyone there having your back as a young teenager.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And so to feel really lonely being like, I love these bands and like Green Day's here and like Pearl Jam's here and like, oh my God. And not having anyone have your back in that way because the most famous guy and broadcaster in the room is there and what he says goes. And like, it's very, It's a little similar. I see through lines to this of Jen being like, I found something I love.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

It is not a little similar. It is exactly the same.

[Patrick Hines]

And you're like, oh my God, I. Why am I sweating going down the hallway that I have to go to to go to the bathroom?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Can I, before I explode, just say to you, I'm so fucking sorry you had that experience.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, it's. But we all have, you know, like.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

You know that I'm not an idiot, I'm new here. I know this happens. But to hear the experience of somebody that you really care about, it sucks, man. It really, it is so awful and I'm so fucking sorry that you had to go through that.

[Patrick Hines]

It's really lonely. And it can be something as small as, like, you know, I don't know, working at a restaurant you always want to work at and it doesn't have to be around famous people.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

It could be working at a company.

[Patrick Hines]

That you really, you know, and like, when you feel, when you find something that you really like and then it becomes the loneliest, most anxiety ridden thing in the world. It is a, it's a horrible feeling.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Just get women in the room. We need women. And I've been thinking this the whole time. We need women owning sports teams. We need women in the room. But we have to be able to imagine, I mean, like, how I'm saying.

[Patrick Hines]

That, like, how great would that be to have those voices. And like, this is what Jen and the Aaron Andrews and all these people of the world are. And like Jamel, you know, trying to say, like, we need more of us here so that at least at the start it's not as lonely or it's not as feeling crazy or it's not as like, I have to do this to pay my dues because I want to be here.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Right? Like, exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

This is What I need to do to be in this space that I have been dreaming of being in. For example, that Jen may or may.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Not have been thinking 100%.

[Patrick Hines]

Because the point is Brett Favre is stalking her and harassing her.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I mean, but that's. That's what it is. Like, we need to say the word.

[Patrick Hines]

He's stalking her because now he's texting her and calling her. She didn't give him no number. Somebody else did, which is illegal.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And all she wants is for it to stop.

[Patrick Hines]

And it's like. And then it like, how many people are in on this? And then it makes you feel crazy. And then the paranoia starts, and then the conspiracy starts because Jen's like, how many people are watching this happen? How many eyes are on me? I didn't give him my phone number. Who did?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And, you know, Jen says offhandedly, at some point, like, the people that I told were like, yeah, we'll look into it. So, I mean, she did tell some people. It's not like she kept it like she was doing whatever she could. Right. Doing the best she can, probably in every living moment to moment.

[Jen Sturger]

And at the end of that year, my comfort contract was not renewed. Shocker. And I kind of went into hiding. I just wanted to put the whole experience behind me. It was too humiliating to talk to people about what happened to me.

[Patrick Hines]

Shocker.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Shocker.

[Patrick Hines]

And because part of it's probably like, hey, lucky you, girl. Like, go on a date with them. Or, you know, no one is taking it as seriously. It's like, do you know how scary it is to get a text from someone?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Not to say, like an unknown number. Like a number that's not in your phone. And it's like the most powerful guy in the stadium.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Not the room, not a four walls. The stadium.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And in your industry. I was just going to say in your industry.

[Patrick Hines]

And so she's essentially fired. She did nothing wrong. Someone gave him her number. She ignored it, and. Or said no to everything. She loses her job because she didn't say yes to him. And like, we were just saying, even if she did, yeah, this is how it would have ended for her.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

No question. So she goes into hiding, she says.

[Patrick Hines]

And then she says, goes into hiding.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know. And then she says, when Brett retired again, he ret. Retires again. She says, I just hoped it would. It would be the end of it.

[Patrick Hines]

And that was in 2009.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And then by August of that year, four months later, he's playing for the Minnesota Vikings. This is just go away.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Way.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And apparently this Vikings thing is a big betrayal to the Green Bay people because that's their biggest competition or whatever. People are setting their Jeff Farr jerseys on fire. To which I'm saying, great, but you're doing it for the wrong reasons.

[Patrick Hines]

Remember what? We did this with the Chicks. You already bought the record. You already bought the album.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Bought the jersey. Why are you burning it?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

It means so much to people. You know what I mean? It so much that I love the people during the Chicks era who are like, well, I'm still gonna go to the concert because I already bought the tickets and they're not refundable.

[Patrick Hines]

Just say you're still a fan. I mean, just don't, like, not be a fan of the chicks.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Who doesn't love the chicks? Who doesn't love the chicks?

[Patrick Hines]

Get the hell out of here. You know who probably doesn't? Brett Favre.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Oh, no question.

[Patrick Hines]

And also this asshole, AJ Delario. He's the editor in chief of Deadspin. So Deadspin wrote the viral post about Jen wearing the bikini top and the cowboy hat and, like, reduced her to just that. And then Jen had written some pieces for them in 2009, and then she wrote about leaving the Jets. So she kind of is like. Because she's like, a player in this industry, as she should be. Right?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Well. And everything she writes turns to gold. Everything she writes gets the most clicks or whatever. So they hire her to come write.

[Patrick Hines]

For Deadspin, and she explains that Deadspin is like a rogue sports site. She said. She goes, they called it journalism, but it really wasn't. It was just like a bunch of guys writing a sports blog. And, like, it's all about getting clicks. So they're going to do whatever they need to do to get the clicks, and they're going to use whoever and they're to going. Going to use whatever tactics.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I mean, what happens here is so unconscionable. This man should be in prison. This man. I mean, like, if Brett Favre hadn't ruined her life enough, this guy puts the nail in the Coffin.

[Patrick Hines]

So it's 2010, and Jen and this guy AJ from Deadspin, have a rapport. She explains, just like Brett Favre, they had never met. It's all totally, totally online. So they talk online, and Jen's like, it was completely off the record. We were talking as friends. And again, it's not a journalism website. It's like a blog site.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

So there's another story that comes out one of millions where another woman is being harassed by an athlete. And Jen's like, first of all, happens all the time.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

But she says to her friend, she thinks he's her friend, aj.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And an off the record moment.

[Patrick Hines]

She's like, aj, like, this is crazy. Like, this is nothing compared. Like, I've seen. Like, I'm in this industry. This happened to me. This is kind of nothing compared to what happens. And, like, the tea I have for you.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

The name I'm about to drop for you is going to blow your mind.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And she tells him. I mean, she doesn't say this here, but she tells him the entire story. She must. And then she says, he got excited.

[Jen Sturger]

And I realized I had overshared. And I was like, yeah, but, you know, this is an off the record conversation. He hit me up and it was like, I'm gonna run your story anyway.

[Patrick Hines]

And so AJ's like, fuck it, I'm running the story anyway. So I'm gonna lose my mind. Just to recap, I just wanna recap what exactly is happening here. Jen is minding her own business.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

She's showing up to work on a regular basis, doing things.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Doing a great job, by the way. Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

She did not reach out to Brett Favre. She gets these anonymous messages that she ignores. And then someone gives Brett Favre her phone number without her consent, which is illegal.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Then she is stalked and harassed by Brett Favre. She is not engaging. She is saying no. Even by not engaging. That's a no.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

She is making it clear repeatedly that she does not want contact with him. She loses her job because of this. Because she did nothing.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

She loses her job because he reached out to her and she did not engage.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Let that sink in. Yes.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes. She.

[Patrick Hines]

She's just trying to live her life. She sees another woman go through the same thing and she mistakenly says something about her own experience.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And then the piece of shit she tells off the record decides to run the story once again without her consent. And now her life is potentially ruined again. I should have told you to pull over. I'm sorry.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know. Too late.

[Patrick Hines]

I mean, but, like, all she was doing was living her life and not engaging. Like, what is she supposed to do?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know, and all I'm thinking here is that, like, this is gonna sound common sense to you, so bear with me. Men need to spend time trying to understand women's perspectives. I know that that sounds insane that it has to be said out loud, but it needs to be said out loud. Men need to think. I mean, these are lessons I've absolutely had to learn. I mean, my God, my most important colleague in my entire life is a woman. And I've had to think about things from your perspective, and it's been really helpful, and I'm so grateful for it.

[Jen Sturger]

I.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And I don't know that until my daughter was older, I would have had the opportunity to teach myself that I had to do that. You know, you're the person I spend the most time with in the world, next to my husband. Everybody, think about the women in your life. Everybody think about the women in your life. And please, please, spend a little bit of time trying to see the world from their perspective. And I think if everybody does that, it could begin to make a little bit of a difference.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. Or at least maybe, like, ask a question, be curious instead of going to like, she wore a bikini once. She asked for it. Whoa.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

She didn't ask for the commentator to make that comment about her. You know what I mean? She was just living her life in the world.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I think my big point is that I think that there are some good men out there that are hearing this, that are like, no, no. Like, we have to expose the guy. We got to expose the guy. Like, we got to bring this guy down. We have. You have to think it one step further and listen to the women in this documentary who are telling you it never goes that way. It never goes that way. We have to dismantle the system. Maybe somehow we figure out how to do that. But in the moment, we need to listen to the women and learn the lessons we're being told here. It's always going to be blamed on the woman.

[Patrick Hines]

I mean, it's the reason we don't say anything most of the time.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So the reason we don't report it most of the time.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Why would we. For this?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Right. Because it's not just Brett Favre the superstar. It's the boss in the workplace. It's the teacher, it's the professor, it's the cop, it's the whatever.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. You know, like, what about this is fun or beneficial to me in any way to talk about it and then have everyone not believe me or make me tell the story 10,000 times or.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Or even if they do believe you, Jen is no longer the woman with this awesome job being an influencer, going around these colleges, getting people to care about football. She's now the woman that has the thing with Brett Favre.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. You know, who somehow asked for it. Well, when she was being Harassed by him relentlessly.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And just to, like, just to get back to the AJ Story. When his story published, we learn when you got these texts and the pictures.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

Allegedly from far to Jen Sturger.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Did you pay for that material? Yes, I did. The story is published with pictures, text messages, and emails that were hacked from Jen's account.

[Patrick Hines]

And when the story is everywhere, every single story has to include that Jen was in Playboy and Maxim. Like it has any relevance at all. It does not. It's very. She was asking for it. Or, well, look what she was wearing. And, you know, she wanted. She was dressed like sex and she got it. What does she want? So everyone is now blaming Jen. Oh, she's lying. Why did it take her all these years to come forward? She didn't come forward.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

That's exactly. She did not call it exactly. Right. That's the thing. Because Jen does not have a platform anymore, and she's. Everybody is saying this woman is coming out with these allegations. Two years ago, she didn't. She was outed. She. Her story was stolen from her. She never wanted to do this.

[Patrick Hines]

She was feeling so alone and so silenced for so long that she said it to someone and instantly realized the mistake.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

He hacked her fucking email.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And told the story. She did not hide this for two years. And even if it did take her two years to come forward, what the fuck is the difference?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And that's what I'm saying. We should live in a world where she should be, like, championed for telling this story. We don't live in that world. We also live in a world where this story was stolen from her and told against her will, and nobody's asking her a question.

[Patrick Hines]

And you're telling me that the same people who are like, oh, it took her two years to come forward. If she told. If it took her two seconds to come forward. They treat her any differently.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Fuck that. Because she's still going to be the hot girl in the cowboy hat and the bikini top.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

No matter what.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes. Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

She's going to be reduced to that.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So now the public thinks Jen is the villain. Because of course. And then it's like, they're both wrong. She knows he's married. I'm like, she didn't participate in any way.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

In any way. He. Brett Favre was stalking and harassing her. He's married. How's your wife doing, by the way? Did the chemo work?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I don't know.

[Patrick Hines]

He has kids. He's like 15 years older than she is. It's A power imbalance. And then she, she just says, it's like an hour into this thing. She goes, by the way, yeah, for the record, after all of this, even when she was getting dragged through the fucking mud.

[Jen Sturger]

So here's the craziest part about the whole scandal, is that I've never met Brett Favre. I've never met him. We've never been in the same room, we've never shaken hands. We had no kind of relationship, no rapport, nothing.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Never met the guy.

[Patrick Hines]

She goes, I didn't even shake his hand.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And then when she is forced now to go on like a media circus tour to just talk about the story that was ripped away from her, George Stephanopoulos should be, he should be fired from, should never be allowed to be in public again. He literally says to this woman, who by the way, is so whip smart, she knows the exact response. He's literally says to her, but come on. I mean, like, dad would be like, he's the biggest sports star in the world. Like, you know, she looks at him and says, it wasn't flattering, if that's what you're implying.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

He is implied.

[Patrick Hines]

She didn't do anything. She didn't, she didn't start it and she didn't respond to it. She did nothing.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

George Stephanopoulos, one of the smartest people in media. I used to think, not today, not today. He's literally saying. He, yeah, butts her. I know this horrible thing happened to you. I know the story was stolen from you and told against your will, but come on, it's preferred.

[Patrick Hines]

He, yeah, butts and, well, actuallys her at the same time. Which is insane.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And she's like, but I didn't ask for it and I didn't do anything and I didn't engage it and I'm the villain.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And that's what I'm saying. Like, even men that we think are on our sides, they're not, you know.

[Patrick Hines]

Journalists are not your friends. Cops are not your friends, and men are not your friends. Oh, one, two, three, let's go.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Oh, God.

[Patrick Hines]

Like that's, I mean, how does that fit? She is sitting there after being forced to tell her story, and even then they couldn't have a fucking woman talk to her.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I agree, but I gotta say, like, not all men are evil, you know.

[Patrick Hines]

No, it's not all men, but it's always a man.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Correct.

[Patrick Hines]

Do you know what I'm saying?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

So it's not all men. Yes, but don't you dare. Not you, but don't you dare society blameless women for being like, oh, for being a little, a little camera shy or a little whatever the trigger, whatever the term is that I can't think of right now because my brain is spinning to be like, no, I agree.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I absolutely agree.

[Patrick Hines]

It's not all men, but it's always a man.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So what? They couldn't have had a friendly journey? Where's Aaron Andrews to talk to her?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Where's Robin Roberts? I know. Anyone I know?

[Patrick Hines]

Instead of being like, but Silver Fox, right? Actually, no. Where is his wife?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know, but that's where. Okay, let's talk about her for a second because once again, neither you or I know anything about this woman. You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

Can I say one thing?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Jen is sitting with a dog. High little one, don't get a lower third. But she's sitting with a little puppy in her lap. And it made me happy for her that as she's telling that she's got a little pup with her.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

She's got her dog.

[Patrick Hines]

Let's talk about Deanna.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Well, I don't have a lot to say other than just like, she's like the cheated on wife with cancer too, you know?

[Patrick Hines]

And the thing that really pisses me off is that she's sitting there discussing the, quote, allegations. They're not allegations. Those texts are real. Sweetheart.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm sorry to call you sweetheart. I'm sorry, but like to all the journalists, they're not allegations if the texts are the texts and the facts are the facts.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Right, right. Because, well, also when this all comes out, Brett Favre is dodging every question. Nary a follow up. He's just allowed to say, I'm not talking about this. I'm much more focused on my work with the sports team, whatever it's called.

[Patrick Hines]

I think he's supposed to be an icon that is a legend to a bunch of people with a zillion dollars in. Where's Jen?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know because we also cut around to all these different men. They're like, well, I'm sure that wasn't that great. But he's a legend. He's a hero. One guy says.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

I think when he was in New York, it sounds like he made. Made some bad decisions, but still, gotta respect the guy.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

He's a hell of a football player.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

He's 41 years old, playing at a high level.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I don't really care as long as he's performing on the football field.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

That's all.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

People literally don't. Men literally don't care. They don't care.

[Patrick Hines]

And we have Deanna saying, I'm handling this through faith. And I just. To that, I say, deanna, shut up. And I'm sorry. I know. Look, I know I'm going to get a lot of shit for that, and I. I'm sorry to say it, but, like, we got to be honest about this here. And I don't know what the. What the status of their relationship is. If she's being abused at home, I don't know that. But to sit here and say she's handling it through faith, like all of this just happened upon them.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, Jen is not a victim here.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

My thing about Deanna is, like, why should she have to give up the life to what she's become accustomed when she's the one that had cancer, she's the one that's raising the kids.

[Patrick Hines]

She also didn't do anything.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Right. She's the one that, like, she's the one that. You know, once again, I don't know anything about her, but in my. My guess is that she's keeping the house, she's keeping the social calendar. She's, you know, donating to the chair. Like, she's. Why should she have to give up the. She gave up her life already to be Brett Favre's wife.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, he's using her. He's parading her around on the morning shows to have a woman by his side.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes. Yes. And does that.

[Patrick Hines]

I resent it.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Well. Right. And that's fair. Does that make her a co conspirator in this? I don't know. Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Because I don't know the status of. I don't know how sick she was when this was happening. I don't know that.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

But I know that she's being used.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

So I guess that. That. That I will say is a definite. And that hurts.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

It hurts to watch a woman do that to another woman.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes. I agree.

[Patrick Hines]

By the hands of the same man.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah. But. But. But it's not her fault.

[Patrick Hines]

That's what I mean. It's like. But he's at the center of it. And now these two women are in separate factions. But aren't they kind of the same in a way? They didn't do anything. She didn't do anything.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

They're the same in that way. It's just a. It's a matter of, like. Like, his wife. Like, why does she have to give up her. Like, she's married to a bad guy. You know what I mean? I don't want that marriage for her because He's a bad guy. But, like, why should she have to give up her. Her life now because he cheated?

[Patrick Hines]

She should just take the fucking money and run.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

That's possible.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Honestly. Well.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And now we learn the issue may go beyond Sturger. The New York Post reports Favre had similar contact with two women hired by the jets to give massages.

[Patrick Hines]

Brett, here. You and Chrissy want to get together? I'm all alone and kind of lonely tonight. I guess I have bad intentions now.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

According to reports, Christina Scavo and Shannon o' Toole claim they were fired when they complained. They complained about. And they got fired.

[Patrick Hines]

And also, I just want to say these women's names. It's Christina Scavo and Shannon o'. Toole. They complained and they were fucking fired.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

No one is shocked by this behavior like that journalist who's like, I'm not going to write a fiction. Fiction story about Brett Favre, the family Man. Like, this is one of those many open secrets.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Every journalist who's ever covered him was like, everybody knew this.

[Patrick Hines]

Any woman in that vicinity. Masseuse, journalist, whatever.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Was a victim of his. Or everyone knew it.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes. Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

So it's like whoever got Jen's phone number was getting all the phone numbers. Like, Brett. Like, to me, I'm saying, like, he had a guy who had a guy who could get the information to harass these women. Then it's like, do you want a job or not?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yep.

[Patrick Hines]

And even when you give me the whatever. The sexual favor or whatever it is, you probably won't have the job much long.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

100%. And then, like, Jen's career completely falls apart. 25 days after the scandal breaks, her TV show gets canceled. She says it was really hard to work in sports while being a sports story, which of course, it was.

[Patrick Hines]

So then it's like, oh, everyone. Boys will be boys, and let's rely on our faith. Bullshit on bullshit on bullshit. So the NFL says they could not conclude if Brett Favre had violated any policy or conduct. Yes, you could have. You just didn't want to.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Of course not. Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And they fine him for, quote, not being candid during. During parts of the probe.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Unbelievable. And that's where the Jen story kind of ends. There's no justice for Jen. I do. We know what she's doing now.

[Patrick Hines]

She said, my life is ruined. And he went to the hall of Fame.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes. And then we get this whole other 20 minutes, which we can go through kind of quickly. I mean, he goes to Mississippi. His daughter goes to Ole Miss. Which is, like, you know, Mississippi University or whatever. He decides he wants to build a volleyball stadium. A volleyball stadium. Have you ever heard of this?

[Patrick Hines]

Well, his daughter wanted one. Daddy, I want a volleyball stadium.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

A volleyball stadium. Him, I've never heard of this, so.

[Patrick Hines]

Because here's the thing. Like, he could do no wrong. He's, like, going back home to Mississippi, which is where he's from. So the hero worship there, like, is everywhere in this country, but mostly in the South. And when. When Brett Favre comes home, it's like, oh, my God. God has come home. And he's got a ton of money because he's doing all these, like, commercials and endorsements, and he's, like, the face of Wrangler jeans, and he was a football star for 20 years. Like, the guy's got money.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I don't want to hear that he's out of cash, which they try to tell us at the end. His net worth is $100 million.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. He also. That, again, could be doing good work because it's trying to, like, reverse the damage done by playing football. Yeah.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Except it doesn't work.

[Patrick Hines]

But he's also the biggest shareholder in that company, so it's all, like, a transaction.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And, like, we get all the science about it. Like, there's no evidence that this works at all.

[Patrick Hines]

So in 2020, news of, quote, the largest welfare scandal in Mississippi history breaks.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

He never says welfare dollars, but he's.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Talking to the governor.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

He goes to John Davis, the welfare director, and he's talking to Nancy New, who's. Who controls millions in welfare dollars. It's written that it's for a wellness center that will help, you know, disadvantaged kids locally, but really, it just builds a volleyball stadium.

[Patrick Hines]

He's stealing welfare money from the state of Mississippi, which, by the way, is the poorest state in the country.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Now, as a person who was raised on welfare through parts of my childhood, I can't even tell you the offense I take to this. And here's where we get the story about. His daughter was playing volleyball for. Yes. For Southern Mississippi State. And we see texts about Brett Favre wanting to fund a volleyball stadium for her. And he's talking to the governor. He's talking to the welfare director. He's talking to a woman named Nancy New, who controls millions of dollars in welfare funds. And it's all like, they have to find creative ways to siphon off this money from the. Well, the state welfare program.

[Patrick Hines]

Because little Braley was like, daddy, I want a volleyball stadium. And he's like, okay, sweetie. Well, I can't just outwardly take welfare money for Braylee's precious volleyball stadium. So they have the money around. I mean, in all of these pet projects, until it was laundered and cleaned enough to then make the precious volleyball stadium for his daughter.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And to put a fine point on that, what is happening here is that the state of Mississippi wants to make Brett Favre happy, and they don't care about the poorest of the poor citizens in their state. And they think, we gotta get these millions of dollars for Brett Favre. We're gonna take it from there. No one's gonna know. No one's gonna care. Brett Favre is gonna go out of his way to tell us he didn't know anything about this bullshit. Once again, there are the text messages saying, if you give me welfare funds, can the press ever find out? Can I get in trouble?

[Patrick Hines]

Am I going to get in trouble for this? Cut to Jen, she goes, wow, he's learned nothing. I mean, the guy's a fucking idiot. You should. You should really actually fund that whole, like, head injury thing.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Exactly. I mean, honestly.

[Patrick Hines]

Because he's stealing money from this concussion business. Millions and millions of dollars. And then we meet Benny Thompson, who's the U.S. representative. He's awesome. From Mississippi, 2nd district.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

He's on Rachel Maddow all the time.

[Patrick Hines]

He's here to really hit home how shitty this all was of Brett Favre. Because he goes, this is a state that needs all the help it can get. Again, it's the poorest state in the country. And Benny's like, this is money for the poorest of the poorest. And who gets it? His daughter.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Let me tell you this. He said. One of our journalists tells us, when.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

We even talk about TANF cash assistance, the amount families get is very low. And the income eligibility they have to meet is. Is very low. If we looked at a family of three in Mississippi, single mom and two kids, she's going to be eligible for $260 a month of TANF cash assistance.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

You have to make next to nothing even to be eligible for it. So he says, take a family of. This is my family, by the way. This is how I grew up. Take a family of three, a single mom and two kids, she's going to be eligible for $260 a month in TANF cash. That's the welfare assistance. This is 20, 25. Even in Mississippi, $263 is absolutely nothing. Brett Farve alone, the amount of money that was directed just to him from the funds for these people was $1.1 million. That's not counting the $5 million that went to the volleyball stadium. You should be. Look, the gen thing is equally as horrible. I'm not saying this is where one is better. Whatever. You. You should be so horrified that these. That the money intended for these kids and they are barely getting anything as it is. These people are suffering.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Brett Favre took a $1.1 million just.

[Patrick Hines]

For himself because Braylee wanted to play volleyball at a shiny new stadium.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

I mean, that's. That's what it is, though. So he's lying, cheating, and stealing and also sexually harassing women on a regular basis. And before that, remember, he was cheating on his wife. Everyone knew exactly who this guy was.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And because he could throw really well, he became a go. And because he became a God, he was able to do all of this. And he's a fudgeing idiot.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And he gets away with all of it. He gets away with all of it. There's. He gets a little bit of accountability on the ESPN shows or whatever, but he never answers to anything. His. His answer for, like, whenever anybody asks him about it, he says it's a league issue. He's never forced to take public accountability for this. He's testifying before Congress. People are asking him to sign jerseys.

[Patrick Hines]

They're like, you're favorite Packer.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

These are our elected officials. Bennie Thompson notwithstanding. These are our elected officials.

[Patrick Hines]

And Benny Thompson is the one just to like, do a record scratch on this.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

Brett Favre with his name ID reputation could have done a lot of good for a state like Mississippi, but he didn't. He took advantage of the people who own that path and struggling.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Imagine if he had taken that hero worship, the godlike status, and actually done things for the community.

[Patrick Hines]

And he just refused. Yes, he just refused. And Benny says he took advantage of the people on that path who were struggling. The po state in the country, and this is what he does. And so then we're at a bar with a confederate flag on the front door, by the way, everyone talking about how fucking great this guy is.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And Jen, like. And also, it just proves, like, his lawyers were threatening everybody, which proves how much fucking money this guy has, because that's not cheap to do.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

It's the old Michael Cohen playbook. Remember when Michael Cohen was, like, threatening journalists? Everybody.

[Patrick Hines]

Every time I'm in this booth, I think, I'm not going to hear a name. I know. Name comes at me like a shot.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

And I'm like, michael, oh, my I'm like, who?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Remember?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

What.

[Patrick Hines]

What's the other guy? Sant. What was the Santucci guy?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Oh, oh. Oh, my God.

[Patrick Hines]

The Scaramucci.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

The Scaramucci. The Scaramouche, whatever.

[Patrick Hines]

But, like, it's that names like that, where I'm like. I'm trying to wheel. I'm like, bing, bing. And I try to, like, wield them. Like, oh, my God.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I know. But yes.

[Patrick Hines]

No, it's the same thing.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And it's just. In the end, we're just told it's the winners who get to write the history. When it comes to football, they say people can not like the person, but they can love an athlete, even though the person is. Is not very likable.

[Patrick Hines]

And also, I would love to play this clip because it ends with.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

If you are perceived as a superstar and you are white, in many instances, you get a pass. Brett Farr is getting a pass.

[Patrick Hines]

I think that's very important to be said. Of course. He's like some fucking derpy derpy doof. Cue the, like, shitty Housewives music where they can't use the fucking can opener or whatever. Like, that's this guy being like, he can throw a football and literally, literally nothing else.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Idiot.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Oh, my God, girl. We did. What is this called?

[Patrick Hines]

It's called Untold the Fall of Favre. I mean, for two people who don't.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Know anything about football, we had a lot to say.

[Patrick Hines]

Whatever. Team Jen. Team. Women.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yes. Team. Like the welfare recipients in Mississippi. Hi.

[Patrick Hines]

I see Team Betty Thompson. Anyone but Brett Favre.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Oh, fam. Don't forget about the disky. Don't Forget about the YouTube. Over 100,000 subscribers. This is a good one, by the way, to go watch. If you haven't subscribed yet, we got real animated in this. Go watch us be mad.

[Patrick Hines]

I feel like my posture is terrible because I just felt really like I know about the world. I feel like I was hunching a lot.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

The camera loves you. Every time I look at them, I'm like, God damn it.

[Patrick Hines]

Even when I'm like this. Yeah, like the Crypt Keeper. But you know what? Sometimes this brings out the Crypt Keeper. Let's let this bring out the Crypt Keeper in you, in all of us.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And sometimes you gotta keep that crypt, girl. What are we doing next?

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, God. We're doing. It's called Blood and Myth on Hulu. This is a very. I'm fascinated by this. Okay. It's about an attempted murder case in Alaska and if. And how folklore played a role in it about just the small community in Alaska and the Inuit community, and just there's a lot going on there. I was fascinated by this. So it's called Blood and myth on Hulu and we'll get there there when we get there.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

All right, well, stay tuned for the trailer for that, my loves, and we'll see you soon. Go subscribe to our YouTube.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

And you far and he's unsubscribing at the pace at the five.

[Patrick Hines]

Take it and don't, like, do it 10 times like you retired 10 times exactly.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Get out of here. Get out of here. Fars go. Bye.

[Patrick Hines]

Bye.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

The story takes place at the edge of the world, Northern Alaska. Teddy Kyle Smith. To US Natives, it didn't make any sense.

[Patrick Hines]

Suspect in a shooting of two brothers. Has been identified as a Kayana actor who went missing earlier this month after the death of his mother.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

Mother's dead.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

He shot two men.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

No one knows why. I had no idea how deep this story would go. I had no idea how far this would take me. I didn't want to shoot him.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

I had to go along with what.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

They wanted me to do.

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Who's that?

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

Wild people out there. Any inigans?

[Jillian Bedavalli]

Yeah.

[Sports Journalist / Narrator]

In the mythical beings that we were all told about by elders. It just stopped me in my tracks, gave me the shivers.