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It is the rainiest, coldest day we've had so far in New York. And it's barely November.
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It's about to be. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It is one of those days. It is like, an actual, like, chilly, rainy October day.
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It's. I know you love it. I'm cold to death, even though it betrayed me.
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And now my jeans are all soaking wet. I know I'm still here for it.
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All right, good. Hi. Julia Betavali.
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Hello. Patrick Hines, fam.
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Join us over on the Patreon, but only if you want more amazing bonus episodes. And I'm talking, like, 500 of them.
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It's a party over there, is the thing about it.
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I know.
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I can't stress it enough. Everyone's invited. If you don't want to come, that's totally fine, but everyone is invited to this party.
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It's where we do all of the series that have, like, multiple episodes. We've done everything from the Staircase to a Lacy Peterson documentary to. I can't. Why can't we have 500? I can't think of any.
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To Scamanda and all of the, like, fake cancer docs.
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Oh, my God. All the fraud docs. Everything.
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Everyone's faking cancer.
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It's ridiculous.
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What is this?
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It's got to stop.
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It's too much. We also have a lot coming up. So we just did the Tylenol murders. We're doing Stalking Samantha. We're doing Trophy Hunter, that asshole. That piece of shit. Dentists. We're doing them all.
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We're in the middle of that. Wicked. What's it called?
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It's Wicked Game Devil in the Desert.
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Oh, my God. It's crazy wild. Anyway, patreon.com/true crime obsessed. Or click the link in the show notes. What's the other thing?
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Facebook.
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Oh, we have a Facebook group?
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Yeah, we have, like, 58,000 members or 60,000 members. Something crazy.
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It's really fun. People are making friends in there. People are falling in love. Maybe not, but maybe I'm making that up. But they should be.
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Maybe they are. And we just don't know about going.
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To the Facebook group today. Looking for love. Do it for me.
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Tell me if there's ever been a love connection.
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Oh, my God. Wouldn't that be amazing? Yes, girl. What are we talking about today?
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Okay. Welcome to a bonus episode. This is our 19th bonus episode of the year. This is a series called Sin City Murders, Season 1, Episode 1. The episode is called Vanishing of a Showgirl.
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Debbie's main goal and dream was to dance in shows. In Vegas, fantasy was her big break and what she really wanted to do.
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A missing persons report was filed by Deborah's roommate stating that she had not seen Deborah for a couple of days. When she left, she seemed to be fine.
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This was Debbie's biggest accomplishment of her career, and for her to not show up to her rehearsal was shocking.
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We believe that Deborah was last seen leaving her residence in her 1997 Geo Prism.
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I think Debbie did rub some people the wrong way. It's always that sense of competitiveness amongst dancers.
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They found the black boots that Debbie wore when she left her house.
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I remember her having a screaming match argument with him. She was scared.
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As soon as you walk in the front door, it was just horrible. The smell was horrific.
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I just remember being in such shock. Don't like talking about that part.
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I just want to say, right at the top, how much do we love this narrator's voice? She's got that perfect lady documentary voice because the subtitle says exciting music. And then she goes. Las Vegas is known worldwide for its high stakes gambling and was just like, oh, my God, this lady's perfect for us. Let me just say before we jump in, this is the kind of Vegas I want to see. I want to go to one of these, like, showgirl shows.
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The old school.
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Yeah. Cause all I've ever done there is go into, like, the smoky casinos and have, like, bad dinners with people I didn't like. Oh, no. So, like, now that I'm like, oh, wait, I forgot that, like, the level of talent, the level of, like, love of dance.
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Las Vegas is a place where aspiring dancers can come and make their dreams come true.
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Dance training and the etiquette in which Vegas showgirls and dancers are held to is very hard. Keeping a size 0 to 2 and standing in 6 inch heels, it's definitely difficult.
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Vegas is no joke, and it's not for the weak in terms of if you're a performer, if you want to, you got to work hard.
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Yes.
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To succeed in Vegas. And Deborah Flores Narvaez, our victim, did exactly that. She worked her ass off.
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One of her friends tells us, you had to stay a size 0 to 2 and dance in 6 inch heels. Like, oh, my God. Yeah.
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It's like, it's a very, very hard gig. Like, they tell us about the legendary showgirls. Right? Like, lots of dancers go to Vegas looking for jobs, and it's a very, very hard gig. It's like imp standards, like, staying, you know, zero to two.
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And whatever you think about, like, entertainment capitals of The United States. You think of, like, New York and l. A. I always forget about, like, these women are like, technician. These people, these men and women, whatever. They are technicians of dance.
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Don't sleep on Vegas when it comes to performing, for sure.
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Also, most of the shows are only, like, an hour, so you can get, like, back out to dinner, like, asap. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.
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They know. They know their audience. The thing about Vegas, it knows exactly what it is, and it knows exactly who you are if you're going there.
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Totally. Right. We learned that one of the longest running must see shows in Vegas is called fantasy. It's at the Luxor. It's a burlesque show geared towards the sensuality of women. But it's tastefully done.
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And I'm like, how have I not seen the show 10 million times?
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Honest to God, next time I go.
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To Vegas, I'm going to the show.
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How is showgirls the only, like, Vegas dance movie ever to be made?
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I know.
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You know what I mean?
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Perfect.
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And I love that Elizabeth Berkley is, like, owning it now. She's going to, like, conventions.
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I saw her. She looks amazing.
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She looks so good.
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Here's the thing about fantasy. If you book this gig, you hit the jackpot. No pun intended.
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True. Honestly, it's like, the hardest job as a dancer to get in Vegas.
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Yeah. And so Debbie was a dancer in the show.
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Yeah.
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And we meet two of her friends, Dion and Devin. And Dion says that he knows Debbie because they also work together in the Las Vegas entertainment community. She was incredibly hardworking. She went out to Vegas with a purpose, and she worked super hard, and she made that purpose come true.
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And we will learn in a minute. She did not start early as a dancer. Like, you know what I mean?
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Like, she like, oh, I've been dancing since I'm four. Like, not really the case because she was doing other amazing things.
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So Devin, her other friend, is here. They met Go. Go dancing at a nightclub called Haze.
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And she says Debbie was a ball of fire. We loved to party and we loved to dance. She was the most loving and funny. A little saucy. Definitely a little saucy. What I would call it is passion.
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I would call it passion. Like she knows what she wants and she goes for it. We love that. So Debbie really, really, really wanted to be in fantasy. That was why she went there. It was her goal. She worked super hard. She books it, and she's not in the ensemble. She's a starring role, and it's what she wanted. And some people love the ensemble and they want to do that for the rest of their careers. Like, that was not Debbie.
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Well, and the other thing we'll learn in a minute is that, like, not only did she book a starring role, she choreographed it herself. And she got Cisco.
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I'm going to tell you something about Cisco later.
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Is it good or Bad.
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It's crazy.
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It's like.
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It's a cool, like, music nerd thing.
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Oh, my God. But it's that. It's that amazing thing where, like, not only is she, like, the star of the show, but she got this, like, incredibly famous person to come and, like, do the music.
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Right. So the night before her debut, Debbie is a no call, no show. She doesn't show up to her final.
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Rehearsal for a couple of things. The final rehearsal was at midnight.
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I'm telling you, Vegas is not for the week.
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It is not for me, not for the week. I am the week in this rehearsal.
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At midnight, working all day.
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Yeah.
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And it's the only time to do it. I mean, get up and do it all again tomorrow. It is serious.
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But also, like, the fact that she was a no call, no show at her final rehearsal, like, something is seriously, dreadfully wrong. Yeah.
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So this is where they tell us, like, this sort of, like. Cause this is the biggest week in her career to date. Especially because this big reveal, I was like, what?
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She had choreographed a dance and partnered with an R and B singer at the time named Cisco. This was supposed to be her debut. It was a really important night for her.
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Cisco was in Drew Hill, and then after that, made the thong song in 2000. It was the biggest thing in the world.
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Oh, my God, this is so annoying.
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Look it up. Actually. Cool. The Thong Song has a really.
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How does it go?
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Well, the beginning is like, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. That string section, which was inspired by Eleanor Rigby.
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Oh, my God.
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It's inspired by a Wes Montgomery cover of Eleanor Rigby. But he, like, he was like, I kind of want those strings to sound like Eleanor Rigby, but, like, I want to do, like, a new spin on it. So he got, like, all of these amazing producers and musicians to, like, help him do the Eleanor Rigby strings.
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Oh, my God.
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In the Thong song, like, she's got dumps like a Chuck Chuck.
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Oh, that's what it is. That's what it is. Okay. Yeah, it's funny. Like, the Eleanor Rigby thing. If you see the look on my face, I'm pretending to know what that is. I don't know.
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I feel like, whoa. This thumb song. The song is ridiculous on its face. It's ridiculous. But the musicianship of it is actually very cool and interesting.
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Look it up.
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And he's incredibly famous. So, like, the fact that, like, how did Debbie get to him? Like, Debbie is about to be a major star.
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So the no call, no show is extra, extra suspicious.
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Yeah. So it's December 13, 2010, and like everybody at the Luxor where she's supposed to be for rehearsal knows that this is a problem. So the producer calls the cops and she's like, she's not here. This is. There's a problem.
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And the cops are like, oh, we're gonna do nothing. She's probably fine. It hasn't been long enough for you to worry. The context of this doesn't matter. Who's Cisco? I don't care. It's 5. 01. I'm done.
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I know. It's been a minute since we've heard that. It's not like you have to wait 48 hours to make an official. They keep saying official and non official.
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Missing persons and they're not listening to the context. And I think what they're thinking is like, oh, she's a showgirl in Vegas. She's probably out. Oh, she overslept. Oh, she whatever. Like making every excuse in the book to not. And all of her friends and co workers are, no, no, no, you don't understand. She was on the precipice of something. This was the. No, no, no, no. You like, please just give a shit. And they were like, no.
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Yeah.
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So the next night, Debbie has still not shown up anywhere. And her roommate decides to make moves themselves. And she files a missing persons report.
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And we hear it. We hear that 911 call and the cops get to Debbie's apartment. They interview the roommate. They say there's no signs of foul play and they only get a little bit of information. Like the night that Debbie vanished, she and her roommate were hanging out at the apartment. They both left around 6 o' clock and. And they went their separate ways. And the roommate tells her Debbie had.
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Gone to her ex boyfriend Jason Griffith's house.
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Debbie went over to Jason so that the two of them could hang out, that they would spend time watching TV and that they were just going to spend some time together as friends.
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Debbie was going to hang out with her ex boyfriend, a guy named Jason Griffiths. I'm not calling him by his nickname.
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No, but we'll say it for a second because, like, I'm sure he thinks it's so cool, but that's why I'm not going to.
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I almost text you today. I'm like, I'm not calling him this.
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Yeah, no, no, I'm not going to call him that. Like for the remainder.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, but so the plan was that they going to hang out as friends. They were going to like watch TV and keep it Pretty innocent. That's what the roommate says. Right?
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She's got rehearsal at midnight. Like, oh, my. She's got to stay awake another six hours and rehearse with Cisco Girl.
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You can't get cozy on the couch. You got to keep it moving. You got to keep those jeans on, those real pants on. You can't slow down for a second.
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Debbie, 6pm is Nap O'.
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Clock.
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You know, if you got rehearsal at midnight for. I can only imagine it's going to be like the sexiest, fieriest dance that we're ever done.
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You got to keep it going.
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Oh.
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So Jason, the X goes by Blue. Shut up. He was a dancer at the Love show at the Mirage, which is the Beatles Cirque du Soleil show. Can I just say something, please? I understand full stop that doing Cirque du Soleil is, like, an amazing feat that I could never do. I know it takes a lot of work. I find it incredibly pretentious, and it's just not my thing.
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Yeah.
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Like, the performance, like, the actual. It's just not my thing. Like, I'd rather go see Debbie's show than his show for many reasons. But that is also me saying, like, I totally understand that. It's like a feat of amazingness.
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Love a Cirque show. There's. There's a Cirque du Soleil nutcracker that comes to every year. We went last year. It was fucking crazy.
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Like, I'm sure it was.
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Yeah. It's like you cannot believe what these people can do. Yeah. I don't know how they're safe. I don't know how many. How often they get hurt. And if you walk, like, on Tik Tok, like, I'll watch, like, the water ones in Vegas. Like, it looks. But I get it.
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Like, it's like I'm amazed by it. I want everyone to go and have the time of their live stage door. Get the. Whatever you got to do.
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Yeah.
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But I'm like, I'd much rather spend an hour.
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Yeah.
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Debbie show.
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I totally understand how there's something. It feels a little hokey. Even though we know they are, like, masterful technicians, you know?
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Right. Like, it's not an insult. It's just not my thing. Like, I don't like, you know, it's like a taste thing. You know, it's like, literally, like, you're like, oh, I don't. Like. I just don't want to.
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When you and I go to Vegas, we will part ways for the 8 o' clock show hour, and then we'll just. We'll meet up back at the bar after.
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You're not coming to the show, girl.
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Oh, can you see it twice? Because I kind of like to go to the show.
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Can I? Yes, of course. And we gotta go see Drag Race.
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That is like, literally a reason to go.
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So good.
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Did you see it?
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Of course.
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Oh, my God, it is so good.
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And you never know who you're gonna get. It's really good.
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Oh, my God. All right, we're going to Vegas. We're planning a trip.
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Yes, yes. So the cops talk to this p. This ex boyfriend, whatever, and he says.
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Debbie did stop by last night, but she never got out of the car. We had a short conversation, but she said that her plans had changed and she had to meet some friends. And the last he saw her was around 6:30, 7:00 clock at night on the 12th.
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My plans have changed. And she didn't even get out of the car to tell him this.
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He, like, drops the most suspicious piece of information. Cause he literally, like, the cops don't even ask. He's like, oh, but by the way, she's suicidal.
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Yeah. Letting you know she's suicidal, this might be something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Says the ex. You know, she said, I'm so stressed, I could jump off a bridge. So, I mean, take that.
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I am. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She might have jumped off a bridge. Just you. You let me know. But then we learn this insane fact that suicide is apparently incredibly common in Vegas. And they say, quote, people will drive their cars out into the desert and then we never find them. And I was like, did you look? Because how hard can it be to find a car?
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It's not like hiding behind anything. It's kind of open space.
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Like, you get in a helicopter and you at least fly. Like, if there's just like, so many people who have died by suicide who are, like, out in their cars, and I feel like you could find those.
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Yeah, they were implying that they don't find the bodies or that just they, like, never come back.
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He literally said they drive out to the desert in their cars and we never find them. Excuse me.
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Then you're not.
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Then you're not looking.
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Your job.
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Yeah. That's awesome.
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Right?
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It seemed like a very odd.
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That seems like. That seems like a really big misspeak.
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Yes, yes.
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Because I can't mean. That can't be what you mean.
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That can't be what is happening.
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It can't be what you mean.
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I agree.
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But anyway, so the cops are reaching out to her Friends and family to like, get some information on, quote her emot. And everyone is like, I'm sorry, what? She couldn't have been doing any better. She choreographed this, like, hot ass dance with Cisco. She. She's about to have the best day of her career.
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Her absolute dream is about to come true.
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Well, she stressed probably, maybe not. Who cares? But like, no, she was doing awesome.
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And they're all saying that she was primed for this level of attention. She was, like, ready for all of this shit. The pressure. That's the word. I was.
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Something tells me she knows how to handle pressure. Because we learned Debbie is a powerhouse.
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Oh, my God.
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She was born in Puerto Rico. Her family moved to Baltimore.
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Interestingly, she start out in life with her professional career trying to be a dancer.
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I was blown away by the fact that not only had she been a redskin cheerleader, she'd also gotten her law degree. And she also, on top of that, had an MBA in finance.
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Debbie can hang. Ex boyfriend, idiot. Jason, don't worry about her.
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But that's what I'm saying. Like, she moved to Vegas at 30 to become a dancer. Like, people moved to Vegas at 16 to become dancers.
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And within a year, she got the gig that everybody wants with Cisco show. Come on.
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And by the way, none of the dancers killed her. Can we skip that part?
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I know they really want to make it seem like they're like, well, maybe.
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She got too famous too fast.
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And maybe jealousy is a hell of a thing. Just ask. I see. We just covered it, I guess.
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But like, I love that in this example, they're like, not only did they not murder her, they were like, making flyers and, like, circulating shit to go find her.
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Right.
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The dance community was really behind this woman.
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Right. So the cops rule out suicide.
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Yeah.
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Debbie's been missing for three days. And the cops finally find some evidence that can be helpful. They find surveillance footage from Debbie's apartment building.
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Yeah. And it only really tells us that, like, she was wearing black boots. And it shows us that she never came home. So that is. That's big.
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B
And it shows us what car she was in. So it was a maroon Geo prism, a Maryland license plate. All of these details about, like, if we find any of these other things, we have found Debbie.
- [17:09]
A
What stood out to me there was that, like, we know she's been in Vegas for, like, less than a year. She's been in Vegas for such a short time, she hasn't even changed her license plate to a Vegas license plate.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And she fudgeing got her dreams.
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B
Too busy.
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A
She did it in less than a year.
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B
Too busy working.
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A
Working.
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B
She's not going to the dmv. Dmv?
- [17:25]
A
She's got rehearsal at midnight. You know what I mean?
- [17:27]
B
Are you kidding me?
- [17:27]
A
Oh, my God.
- [17:28]
B
So the dancers are trying to find Debbie because the cops are like, no one stood out to us. And they were like, yeah, we stood out because we were doing practically cartwheels down the fucking strip looking for our best friend.
- [17:37]
A
Yes.
- [17:37]
B
So the cops go back to Jason, the ex boyfriend. He was the last person to see her. And we know sometimes these assholes want to ruin special nights for you and special events for you. And this was a very big night for her. We've been told a million times. So my mind is going like, oh, he wants to destroy it.
- [17:51]
A
And one other thing we didn't mention because I skipped ahead for a missing.
- [17:55]
G
Person'S investigation like this. You would check their financial records to see if they're spending money. Her cell phone activity. Debbie was very prolific on her cell phone. Debbie would post on social media all the time. We saw that Debbie's activity ceased the night of December 12th.
- [18:13]
A
Her bank accounts haven't been touched, and her phone hasn't been used since the day she went missing.
- [18:17]
B
Something bad happened to her.
- [18:18]
A
Something bad definitely happened.
- [18:19]
B
So the Jason and Debbie story. They started out as, quote, a young couple in love, but there were a lot of ups and downs. And by December 12, they were just friends.
- [18:28]
A
Yeah. And like, Jason is the ups and downs. You know what I mean?
- [18:32]
B
Well, right. So the cops find a red flag. I'm like, yeah, of course they do.
- [18:34]
A
Yeah.
- [18:35]
B
Jason was previously arrested for domestic violence against Debbie.
- [18:39]
A
Yeah. And then, like, Debbie's sister Celeste shows up. We see, like, news footage of her. She is an absolute wreck, as, of course, anybody would be. And she's the one who also tells the cops about another ex, a guy named Jamil, who Debbie was also really afraid of.
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Right.
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Off first drink of the night.
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A
It's so easy. It's a shot.
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B
So Jam is Debbie's ex boyfriend from 2009. Debbie was scared of him. Debbie's friend Dion, who's here, tells us that she would get into, quote, physical altercations with him. They would have like screaming matches on the phone and Dion would overhear them.
- [20:36]
A
And like, what is it with these men? Like, hitting and beating their. It's just like, I'm not naive. I know it happens, but it is just absolutely unbelievable.
- [20:44]
B
I'm telling you. I think. What was it? We talked about something. I think it was the. The cat cult. When I was like, is insecurity the root of all evil? Does it really start? And the more we talk about this, I think the answer is yes.
- [20:54]
A
No question.
- [20:54]
B
It always starts with like, some person mostly met, like, being insecure. She was awesome.
- [21:00]
A
Yes. And like was about to like, be the star of her favorite show. Did you see that lesbian Mary from the cat cult joined the Facebook group. How amazing is that? I love that. She's like, hi, you guys. Thanks for being so nice to me.
- [21:11]
B
Mary.
- [21:11]
A
Mary, thanks for being nice to Mary. Honestly, the leader of that cat cult let Me have.
- [21:15]
B
I just want to have a conversation.
- [21:16]
A
Just over here for two seconds.
- [21:17]
B
Just seconds. So Dion says Debbie was scared and he was concerned about this horrible relationship with Jamil.
- [21:24]
A
Yeah.
- [21:25]
B
So when the cops look into this, they learn two things. There were domestic violence charges against Jamil.
- [21:30]
A
Yes. And also, Debbie had sued him. So in this domestic violence situation, he had, like, scarred her and bruised her.
- [21:38]
F
Because of those scars and because she was modeling and because she was dancing, she was able to sue, and she got an award of 250,000. This was an award that had not been paid. There's this person with an outstanding $250,000 judgment against him. Maybe 250,000 reasons for him to come after Debbie Flores.
- [21:58]
A
Did he have 250,000 reasons to kill her?
- [22:01]
B
Because of course he hasn't paid it.
- [22:02]
A
Of course.
- [22:02]
B
And I'm sure she's wanting it and asking for it. And now, like, it's a big fucking hassle to have to pay this, like.
- [22:08]
A
Garnish those fucking wages.
- [22:10]
B
Right. He did this. Right.
- [22:11]
A
He did that.
- [22:12]
B
But then out of the blue, the cops get a call, and a woman reported an abandoned car near where she lives. And it's Debbie's car.
- [22:21]
A
Yeah. It's a geoprism. And, like, once again, stay stupid. The car is, like, off to the side of the road with no license plate.
- [22:27]
B
It's super obvious, and it's parked on an angle. It's like, all right, idiots.
- [22:30]
A
People are so dumb. But then I'm thinking, not that I want to know the answer, but, like, what do you do with a car? Like, when you kill somebody, you got to get rid of their car. What do you do with it?
- [22:38]
B
You do what the mob does. You have it totally destroyed.
- [22:40]
A
You just, like, set it on fire. You take it out to the desert, because apparently they can't find anything out there.
- [22:44]
B
Let me tell you. We'll talk about this when we get to the Philly versus the mob. The whole Joey Merlin. Like, there are places. Because someone tries to burn the car. It does not go well in that.
- [22:53]
A
Like, there's idiots in France who try to burn their own truck at the Louvre, and they, like. They didn't.
- [22:57]
B
And there's, like, a scratch on it.
- [22:58]
A
Yeah, yeah.
- [22:59]
B
No, you go to a place. They did this in Breaking Bad, too. You just, like, flatten it and fucking destroy it.
- [23:04]
A
Isn't that what they tried to do to Teresa Halbeck's car, too, and, like, making a murder?
- [23:07]
B
Probably.
- [23:08]
A
Yeah.
- [23:08]
B
Because he lived near.
- [23:09]
A
Like, he lived in, like. Yeah, like, cars. Apparently, cars are impossible to Destroy. You just take them out to the desert and you leave them there.
- [23:17]
B
Nobody can find them, apparently. I'm not saying it's an easy way. Like, the mob isn't doing it. If you know a guy, then, fine, it can make it happen. But, like, that's the thing. There is no real easy way to get rid of a car. You just have to, like, park it haphazardly somewhere and hope that nobody reports it.
- [23:30]
A
Well, like. And also, the second you take a license plate off a car, it is absolutely fucking suspicious.
- [23:35]
B
They're like, oh, here's a red car parked weird with only one license plate. Yeah, I'm going to notice it.
- [23:40]
A
And they also find her boots in the back. Like, this is obviously Debbie's car.
- [23:43]
B
Right. But here's what they did not find.
- [23:45]
F
They didn't find blood. They didn't find hair. They didn't find remnants of bleach or cleaning solutions, things that they would obviously be looking for in a missing person's investigation.
- [23:56]
B
No cleaning products, no bleach. So what the hell.
- [23:59]
A
Yeah.
- [24:00]
B
So they find Jamil. He's in Baltimore, Maryland, and he has been for a while, including the time of Debbie's disappearance. So this guy is an absolute piece of shit.
- [24:09]
A
Yes.
- [24:09]
B
He did not kill.
- [24:10]
A
He did not do this.
- [24:11]
B
So let's go back to the other ex, Jason.
- [24:13]
A
Yeah. So Jason's on the East Coast. He's a classically trained dancer. He moves to Vegas. He meets Debbie. They would fight a lot.
- [24:19]
B
Yeah, he had. There's domestic violence charges against him.
- [24:22]
A
Yes. And he's, like, a total womanizer. And we'll learn in two seconds that he's, like, also just, like, lying to all the women in his life about, like, that she's the only one and.
- [24:30]
B
The last person to see Debbie alive.
- [24:31]
A
Exactly. And the one who's like, by the way, she's suicidal. You know what I mean?
- [24:35]
B
And the domestic violence charge that was against him happened two months before Debbie goes missing. This whole oh, we were just friends thing, like, no, they were still. He was still very violent.
- [24:44]
A
Yes.
- [24:44]
B
So Debbie's been missing for 10 days. The cops formally meet with this piece.
- [24:49]
A
Of shit, Jason, and he does the smart thing and brings a lawyer. Like, I feel like we never see that.
- [24:53]
B
We never see that. But he says. And it's just like, lies on lies on lies. Like, oh, we only had a casual relationship. We'd only ever been friends. Like, we never hooked out. Like, it was never romantic. But Debbie wasn't satisfied because he's just, like, so amazing. She was begging Him?
- [25:06]
A
Yep. She was crazy. She wanted me.
- [25:09]
B
And I'm like. But I thought the story was that she was like, no, girl, I'm breaking plans with you. I'm not going to hang out with you tonight. Like, even that. It's like, girl, you can't keep your lies straight.
- [25:17]
A
This never works. You're never going to get away with it.
- [25:20]
B
She was so obsessed with you and so crazy. She would have been in that house because she was too busy to do it. No, but also, Jason already had a girlfriend on Yezro.
- [25:28]
A
Yes. According to Devin, Debbie's friend. Debbie didn't like that.
- [25:32]
B
Well, because this guy was giving them all the fudgeing, run around.
- [25:35]
A
Well, and that's the thing we're going to learn in two seconds. He was lying to both of them. You know what I mean? Like, he's letting Debbie think that they are exclusive. Like, his story to the cops about Debbie wanting more is a lie. Like, he was the one who wanted exclusivity with all of these different women, or at least wanted these women to believe that that's what was happening and.
- [25:50]
B
Causing drama and playing. And it's not just these two women. There were other women, too.
- [25:53]
A
Yeah.
- [25:54]
B
So the cops get a warrant, they search this guy's.
- [25:57]
G
We do what we call a microscopic search, looking for any biological material would tie the victim to that scene. There was no blood, nothing that would.
- [26:08]
A
Make us discern that there was a.
- [26:10]
G
Crime that had occurred in his residence.
- [26:12]
B
They're looking for, quote, any biological material that would tie the victim to that scene.
- [26:16]
A
They also speak to Jason's roommate, Louis Colombo. Are we going to talk about this.
- [26:20]
B
Guy for a second when we get to it? They just drop him in. Louis and his girlfriend have zero information. Thanks.
- [26:24]
A
They know nothing.
- [26:25]
B
And this is not the first time I'm going to say thanks for nothing to Louis.
- [26:28]
A
Well, and at this point, the cops are kind of like, we don't really have anything but the car. Like, we don't have any witnesses. We don't have any evidence. Like, you would think that if Jason was the killer, there would have been blood in his house. They didn't seem to find any. There would have been blood in her car. They didn't seem to find any. So the whole press conference hoping that, like, hey, maybe she actually is alive and out there and somebody knows where she is and. Or somebody out there maybe has some information and they'll come forward. So they hold this press conference on December 21st.
- [26:53]
B
And so two days after that, the cops get a call from Arizona State police. Police. And they learned that a body has been found on the other side of Lake Mead, which we just learned about.
- [27:02]
A
Yeah.
- [27:02]
B
This body matches the description of Debbie Flores. So the cops go out to the scene. It's 30 miles east of Vegas.
- [27:09]
A
The body's been burned. Like, clearly trying to like, make the body unidentifiable. It's not Debbie. Like they, we learn pretty quickly it's not Debbie. They say, quote, it's a madam of an illegal Korean brothel in Vegas.
- [27:20]
B
And I'm like, what? Like trafficking? Like, what? Like an illegal bro?
- [27:23]
A
Like, yeah.
- [27:24]
B
What does that mean?
- [27:24]
A
They seem to want to skip right past.
- [27:26]
B
They do. And I'm like, okay. Well, I hope everything was as okay as it could be with that case. Like, did that get handed to the proper people?
- [27:34]
A
Authorities?
- [27:35]
B
Who knows?
- [27:35]
A
We don't know. Vegas is wild.
- [27:37]
B
It's wild.
- [27:37]
A
It is.
- [27:38]
B
And so is Arizona, apparently.
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A
Truly on the other side of Lake.
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Yeah. So let's talk to Jason's new girlfriend, Agnes Rue.
- [30:25]
D
Agnes Rue was very talented. She was a female lead in a Cirque du Soleil show here in Vegas called Zoomanity. And she was the newest love interest of Jason Griffith. In December of 2010.
- [30:41]
B
When detectives speak with Agnes, she tells them she started dating Jason after he broke up with Debbie. Or so she thought. So this piece of shit was dating both of these women? They both thought they were the only one. He's lying up and down. I'm like, okay. Also, history of lying. History of violence. History of lying. Total piece of shit.
- [30:58]
A
Yes.
- [30:59]
B
So when Debbie finds out. Yeah, what's going on?
- [31:03]
A
That they're two timing. Did you catch that?
- [31:04]
B
I know.
- [31:05]
A
They're like, they both found out that he was two timing them. I'm like, what?
- [31:08]
B
When was this Madeline piece of shit?
- [31:10]
A
Or censoring or cheating. Exactly.
- [31:12]
B
Hulu get together, Peacock get together. Whatever this is. So Debbie's furious because she's like, whoa. Like she's a loyalty girly. And she was shy. She was like, wait, it must be the most destabilizing thing to be like. Or at any time that happens where you're like, I thought my life was one thing and now it's this thing. And you have been lying to me the whole time. Like, what the fuck?
- [31:29]
A
We're also told from authorities throughout that Jason was like hooking up with every woman in all of these shows.
- [31:34]
B
A lot of women.
- [31:35]
A
You would think this guy would have had like the craziest reputation.
- [31:38]
B
Like he's violently abusive. So I wonder how many other women he was abusing. Probably all of them in some way. Emotionally method. He's lying to them like, what a piece of shit.
- [31:46]
A
Yeah. To be like a straight man in this dancer world, I would imagine that he had a lot of options. I know.
- [31:51]
B
So Anya's makes Jason not enough gays in this episode.
- [31:54]
A
There should be at least one. I maybe. Maybe there's one.
- [31:56]
B
Maybe.
- [31:56]
A
We don't know. We don't know. He hasn't declared.
- [31:59]
B
Stepped forward.
- [32:00]
A
Exactly.
- [32:01]
B
So Ana makes Jason choose and Jason chooses Ana's.
- [32:04]
A
Yeah.
- [32:05]
B
And according to Anas, who is not here with us, we're just hearing this from other people. Other reports. According to. On Debbie just could not let it go.
- [32:13]
A
Yeah, I know that we don't know that much about Debbie. She's got a fudgeing mba, a lot of great. Does she sound like the kind of lady who's going to wait outside some.
- [32:20]
B
Other ladies NFL cheerleader to be in a fistfight?
- [32:23]
A
I don't think.
- [32:24]
B
And like the lead dancer and the biggest gig on the strip dancing with Cisco.
- [32:28]
A
So like this. I'm calling bullshit on this story.
- [32:31]
B
I don't.
- [32:31]
A
Yeah.
- [32:31]
B
I don't know about the fact that like no, like this asshole wasn't the only game in town for Debbie. However, when you're being abused by someone, you can't see that it's true.
- [32:39]
A
Because the story that we get is that like Debbie goes to any house and like waits outside for her to come home. She comes home with Jason. Jason and Debbie get into a yelling.
- [32:48]
D
Argument and ultimately Jason eventually pushes Debbie.
- [32:53]
B
Down.
- [32:55]
D
Throws her phone.
- [32:58]
F
It ended in violence for Debbie and it ended in jail for Jason.
- [33:03]
B
Jason once again, like just gets violent. Cuz that's what he does shoves Debbie throws her phone, breaks it. And Debbie. Debbie comes out of this fight like this, like, fist fight with this piece of shit, man. She had cuts, she had bruises. Her hair was ripped out of her head.
- [33:16]
A
Yeah. Like, he didn't just shove her to the ground. He beat her up.
- [33:19]
B
And, like, Anya. I don't know what Anya was doing there. I'm not saying it was her responsibility. I'm just saying, like, we don't know what role Anya's played in here. The way she tells it, she's a spectator and a spectator only.
- [33:30]
A
Yeah.
- [33:30]
B
That's the story.
- [33:31]
A
I just don't think there's a world in which Debbie was there to, like, beat Agnes's ass. I just don't think that that's what happened.
- [33:36]
B
No, I'm sure she was like, what the fuck? Which is a very valid question.
- [33:40]
A
Yes.
- [33:40]
B
Ask it many times a day myself. And I am not in this situation. So I can only imagine how she's like, I'm sorry, what?
- [33:47]
A
Yeah.
- [33:48]
B
You've been lying to me as I'm working my ass off. Like, what is going on here, Debbie?
- [33:52]
A
Everything was coming up Debbie. Like, she had it made.
- [33:54]
B
But this is why I know.
- [33:55]
A
Yes.
- [33:56]
B
Is when it happens. When everything is coming up you.
- [33:59]
A
Yes.
- [33:59]
B
So the day says it ended in violence for Debbie and jail for Jason.
- [34:04]
A
Yeah.
- [34:04]
B
But on. Yes. Has an airtight alibi.
- [34:06]
A
Yeah. Like, she's definitely not the one who did brought harm to Debbie. Like, she's at her show. The time, the window of time doesn't add up. It doesn't make any sense. We don't know what she knew. We never come back to it. But at the very least, she did not commit any crime or exactly when.
- [34:19]
B
She broke up with this asshole, which was hopefully.
- [34:21]
A
Yeah.
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B
In the middle of this fudgeing fight.
- [34:24]
A
There's a lot of things that shows like this breeze by pretty quickly that we'd like some more answers to. You know what I mean?
- [34:28]
B
I can feel it.
- [34:29]
A
Yeah.
- [34:29]
B
I'm hoping.
- [34:29]
A
No, no, it's okay. I'm with you.
- [34:31]
B
So Debbie has been missing for three weeks. They get another phone call from another ex of Jason's.
- [34:37]
A
Yeah. So she had seen the news conference, and she's got a story, and she says, jason. Jason. Now, they refer to her as a girlfriend, but, like, in my understanding, she's just another girl from a show that he was hooking up.
- [34:48]
B
Another ex.
- [34:49]
A
Yes. And so Jason shows up at her house in a U Haul with a large tub.
- [34:55]
G
She asks Jason what's in the tub. She describes Jason as hesitating and then asking, do you really want to know what's in here? And her response is, if you were going to store it in my house, I want to know what's in there. Jason hesitated again and then said, it's Debbie.
- [35:16]
A
And he says, it's Debbie. Now it is a plastic tub full of concrete. Yeah, yeah. And so she rightfully loses her fucking mind, screams and yells at him to get out of there, and he takes off.
- [35:30]
B
So now this happened on December 15, three days after Debbie went missing.
- [35:33]
A
Yes.
- [35:34]
B
This woman, we don't get her name, that's fine. But she does not report it for three weeks.
- [35:38]
A
And I think, think that's fine. I'm gonna go on the record. Like, this cop cannot understand why this woman took so long to report it. She's absolutely fucking terrified. Her ex boyfriend shows up with a dead body, and you're. You're wondering why this woman didn't like, immediately drop a dime.
- [35:54]
B
And the other. It's not just the piece of shit X, it's Louis, the roommate.
- [35:58]
A
Yes.
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B
Louis Colombo is 6 foot 5 and 400 pounds.
- [36:01]
A
Yes.
- [36:02]
B
And so he came as muscle to kind of, I think, strong arm this woman into letting them do whatever they wanted. And also, it's just a scary fudgeing thing.
- [36:10]
A
And let me just say, I have no idea. But I cannot imagine what it must be like to be a female dancer in this culture. I bet they are dealing with terrifying men all the fucking time.
- [36:19]
B
Yeah, I think being any. Yes. In any situation like that, there's a lot of entitled men. Because if you're on stage looking like that and being sexy, then it must be okay. Or you're drinking all day in Vegas or you're out in the sun, or you're just an asshole.
- [36:31]
A
Like, of course it must be scary. So, like, when I say it's fine that she didn't call for three weeks, what I'm saying is, can we give this woman some grace?
- [36:38]
B
I don't think she had a nice three weeks exactly. I don't think it was like a fun three weeks for her. I think she was trying to see, like, what the. Like, what do I do?
- [36:45]
A
And ultimately, she's the key to this whole thing. She did the right thing eventually, but she's got to figure out. She's like, I mean, my God, I'd be scared for my life.
- [36:52]
B
And at first it is like, three weeks, girl. Oh, my God, pick up the phone. But like, this is where we are also. Hey, idiots. Please, please, please stay stupid. They rented A U haul to bring this tub to this woman's house. There's a record, you fucking dingbat.
- [37:05]
A
It's hilarious.
- [37:06]
B
We see the video receipts, credit.
- [37:09]
A
Exactly.
- [37:09]
B
Actual camera footage of you doing it. So December 12th, Debbie goes missing. December 14th, idiots rent the U haul.
- [37:17]
A
Yeah.
- [37:17]
B
December 16th, idiots return the U haul. So the cops are saying, okay, we know, unfortunately, Debbie is deceased.
- [37:25]
A
Yes.
- [37:26]
B
Whatever happened to her happened within that timeline. I just said between the 14th idiots renting the U haul, 16th idiots returning the U haul.
- [37:34]
A
So the cops are like, we got to go talk to Louie, who is clearly the weaker link. And when they say that, they show this picture of this man looking like the schlubbiest he could possibly look.
- [37:43]
B
They offered cooperates like that.
- [37:44]
A
Two seconds flat, no questions asked.
- [37:47]
B
And he confirms the story that we just heard from the girlfriend, saying, yep, we went to the house, there was the tub, like, we asked her, whatever.
- [37:53]
A
And he gives, like, the full account of what happened.
- [37:56]
B
December 12th, Debbie goes to Jason's house.
- [37:59]
A
Yes.
- [37:59]
B
Louis, the roommate is there. Jason says, not tonight, Debbie. I'm going to go meet up with Anas.
- [38:04]
A
And Debbie and Jason have a fight. Jason gets violent because that's the only thing he knows how to do. Louis says he walks in on the argument.
- [38:11]
D
And when he walks in, Jason. Jason actually has his hands around Debbie's throat.
- [38:17]
F
Louis tried to cool things off. He got Debbie to the side. He asked if she was okay. At that time, she was hoarse. She couldn't speak.
- [38:26]
G
And Louie waits until things have calmed down and then he leaves.
- [38:30]
B
He waits for things to calm down and then he leaves. Thanks for nothing, Louie.
- [38:34]
A
For absolutely fucking nothing.
- [38:35]
B
You could have taken this guy by his collar and body slammed him with one arm behind your back and you just left.
- [38:42]
A
We don't know why Jason owns this guy. Jason owns Louis. We don't know why. But, like. But absolutely, Louis is under Jason's thumb 100%. And by the way, Louie, that's the only reason Jason is your friend. He doesn't like you. Like, he only likes you because he knows he can manipulate you to do.
- [38:58]
B
Anything and you'll keep your mouth shut and your hands to yourself when he is beating the out of a woman in front of you.
- [39:02]
A
Exactly.
- [39:03]
B
And then leave her alone with him, you piece of.
- [39:06]
A
Piece of shit. So Louis goes to get his girlfriend, gets a text from Jason that says, don't bring your girlfriend here, but get home right now.
- [39:11]
B
Louis like, okay. So Louis arrives. Debbie is on the floor because she has just been killed by Jason, which, Louis, you knew that was gonna happen when you walked out of the door. You're not that stupid. Nobody is.
- [39:23]
A
And there's a plastic bag over her head, which Jason says he did just to make sure she was dead. So Louie says he runs to the bathroom and violently throws up. I don't buy that for a second. So they dump Debbie's car. Jason insists they've got to get rid of the body.
- [39:37]
B
Louie's like, okay, okay, no problem. What can I do? How can I help?
- [39:40]
A
I've been getting violently sick in the bathroom, but let me just help in any way that I possibly.
- [39:44]
B
Let's do that.
- [39:45]
A
So Louis helps fold her up and put her into this plastic tub.
- [39:48]
B
And it's like, oh, so Jason, you just randomly have this plastic tub? Or were you planning this?
- [39:53]
A
Right? And then I'm like, is this the first person he's ever killed? You know what I mean? Probably not, but, you know, like.
- [39:58]
B
Or definitely, like, he's definitely severely, severely hurt women.
- [40:02]
A
Yes.
- [40:02]
B
No question.
- [40:03]
A
Yes.
- [40:03]
B
So, like, oh, look, there's footage of them at the hardware store buying the concrete.
- [40:07]
A
No two idiots have ever looked more stupid than these two. I don't know what it is about watching. I, like, watched it twice. I'm like, my God, they look stupid.
- [40:13]
B
You can hear the Derpy Music 100. Like, it feels like that cartoon where it's like, the big oaf.
- [40:19]
A
Yeah.
- [40:19]
B
And then, like, the skinny, like, with, like, the wise guy. And then, like, the big oath. That's like, yes, sir, sir. Yeah, that's what this is. Only come to life. And it's evil, and it's not a cartoon. It's real life.
- [40:29]
A
And they buy, like, a few pounds.
- [40:30]
G
Of concrete and comes back, and they pour the concrete in the tub over the body. At this point, Jason gets the keys from this little bungalow downtown from another ex girlfriend. And they were going to put the body in that house because they know the house is going to be empty for a while.
- [40:48]
A
Jason gets the keys to a downtown bungalow from yet another girlfriend, another ex of his.
- [40:54]
B
And he wants to, like, because the bungalow is not in use, and he wants to use it for that. It's like a vacant. Yeah, like a bungalow that she has the keys to.
- [41:01]
A
And, like, no questions asked, she gives him the keys. They bring the body down to the house. They know the house is going to be empty for. For a while. They load the tub into the truck. This was so. I know the. The tub cracks on the way into being loaded into the truck, and fluid starts leaking out. I know Suddenly Lou's not sick anymore. Well, yeah, you know what I mean.
- [41:19]
B
The muscle, the 400 pound guy who's like, no, that. This I can help you with. I won't help Debbie when your hands are around her neck. This. Elder.
- [41:28]
A
This is fine.
- [41:28]
B
So they leave Debbie's body inside the bungalow and they go back to the hardware store to get supplies. More video for bleach and quote, odor blocking materials.
- [41:39]
A
Hammers, chisels, cleaning materials. Yeah. They break down the concrete they've already put her in then. This is so awful. They quote, mutilate the body.
- [41:51]
F
They put her torso into one tub, they put her legs into the other tub. They put her into the closet of the house and they use caulking in order to close up the closet to.
- [42:09]
A
Seal the closet so the odor won't come out. Now, if you're the kind of person who has the ability anywhere within the constitution of who you are to dismember a body. This is not like, this is not Jason's first time doing shit like this. It can't possibly be.
- [42:25]
B
Yeah. This isn't something where like, oh my God, something bad happened. I snapped and she hit her head and I don't know what to do. Like, this is.
- [42:33]
A
He did. He killed her, then dismembered her body. Like, that is not a thing that our brains are meant to process.
- [42:40]
B
No.
- [42:41]
A
So like this man has gotta be wired. Like, can somebody look into this man's past and find out who else he hurt? When did this start?
- [42:47]
B
I wonder if other women came forward.
- [42:49]
A
Yeah. This is not a, quote, heat of the moment. Like.
- [42:52]
B
No. Which would be bad enough, by the way.
- [42:54]
A
Exactly. This is an escalation. Like this man's past is littered with all of the hallmarks of this totally. Girl cornbread is back. Look, this week we're talking about the cornbread hemp CBD gummies, which I love. I'm gonna take one as soon as we're done.
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B
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A
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B
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A
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B
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A
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B
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A
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B
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A
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- [44:15]
B
You know what I mean?
- [44:16]
A
Yeah, I do.
- [44:17]
B
Okay, good. I feel, like, seen unheard.
- [44:19]
A
Thank you. Good.
- [44:23]
B
So Louis, the roommate, brings the cops to the bungalow, and just when they're there, they're like, yep, everything he said was true because they see everything.
- [44:30]
A
And we see the pictures of it. Like, we see the way that they cocked the doors to that closet to keep it, like, to keep the odors out. And, like, what was the plan? Like, this wasn't even Jason's house. This was like Jason's girlfriend's house that they. It was only going to be vacant for a little while. What are you going to do?
- [44:43]
B
What are you going to do? And I'm going to say, like, not, like, I don't want to give them any, like, advice or whatever, but I'm like, you're in Vegas.
- [44:49]
A
Yeah.
- [44:50]
B
Go into the desert.
- [44:51]
A
Didn't we just learn you could take a car into the desert? No one will ever find it ever again.
- [44:54]
B
It's just. It's weird that, like, it does seem. It doesn't seem like the heat of the moment, but this is such a stupid thing to do. Which is great because now we can get the son of a bitch, but, like, there's a part. It's like, I don't know. Like, I'm not a psychopath, so I can't really relate.
- [45:05]
A
I was gonna say this earlier in the episode. This guy's a classically trained dancer from the East Coast. Like, that. He's like. He's also at the top of his profession. What on earth? I know. What on earth would possess you to throw all of that away, to treat people like this?
- [45:17]
B
But, like, that's the Mask. You know what I mean? That's the fake shit. Like, he just happen. Happens to be super talented, but he doesn't actually want to do that.
- [45:23]
A
Yeah.
- [45:24]
B
He doesn't really have the passion and drive to really fully succeed and make that a career because, like, he'd rather do this.
- [45:29]
A
It's insane. It's so crazy.
- [45:31]
B
Crazy. So the medical examiner confirms it is the body of Debbie Flores Narvaez, and she died by strangulation, which we know.
- [45:38]
A
Yeah.
- [45:39]
B
And so January 8, 2011, one month after the disappearance, they finally hauled the killer in for questioning, and they confront him with everything that they know.
- [45:47]
A
It's so weird because we watch this interview and they. They don't tell him right away that they know everything. They're sort of like, playing a cat. Like, I think they want him to admit it or whatever. And he's like, what are you talking about? And they finally tell him that they know he did it, and they put him in cuffs. And that is that.
- [46:00]
B
Yeah. Louis told us everything. I'm sure he was like, finally. I'm sure he was waiting for Louis to flip.
- [46:04]
A
Yeah.
- [46:05]
B
Somewhere he knew that Louis was going.
- [46:07]
A
To flip on him. Unbelievable. And, like, her friends are just absolutely shocked. Like, I think that they. They knew that Jason was a piece of shit, but, like, whoever imagines that, you know, a person who has it in you to do this, you can't.
- [46:17]
B
Ever make sense of something.
- [46:18]
A
Yeah.
- [46:19]
B
Because it doesn't make any sense.
- [46:20]
A
Well, Dion, her friend, says it was just crazy.
- [46:23]
E
The film fact that Debbie's passion was dance and the guy cut her legs off. I don't even know the words to describe it.
- [46:32]
A
It's horrible. It's horrible.
- [46:35]
B
And Devin says, like, it reminds you of what people do with trash. And Debbie was anything but that.
- [46:40]
A
I. I think I only know one person in my life who knows somebody who was murdered. And I helped them write a book a hundred years ago about it. And I just remember her processing. Like, you never think you are going to know somebody who's going to die, let alone somebody who has been brutally murdered.
- [46:56]
B
I know.
- [46:57]
A
Like, that is a thing that, like, I don't. How do you ever process that fully?
- [47:02]
B
I told you, one of my mom's friends knew someone who was killed in a. In a road rage incident.
- [47:07]
A
Oh, my God.
- [47:08]
B
Like, they just got, like, were, you know, honking the horn, whatever, and the other person got out of the car and killed him.
- [47:16]
A
I mean, that is. That is insane.
- [47:18]
B
It's like. You know what I mean? And then you hear that, and even Though it's, like, removed from me. It's just like how. Like what you were saying before. How do you get to that point? Point.
- [47:25]
A
Right.
- [47:26]
B
What is in you?
- [47:27]
A
Like, there's got to be a part of you in the moment of committing the act that knows, like, my life is over now, too.
- [47:32]
B
Right.
- [47:32]
A
You know what I mean? Yeah.
- [47:34]
B
In what world?
- [47:35]
A
It makes no sense. So. May 5, 2014. Three years later, Jason stands trial.
- [47:40]
B
His friend and roommate, Louis Colombo, makes a deal to avoid charges and becomes a key witness for the prosecution.
- [47:48]
F
We asked for first degree murder, which is a premature and deliberate killing because of the amount of time and the effort and the deliberation that you have to go through in order to kill a person with your bare hands.
- [48:00]
B
It's an intent to kill, but it lacks the premeditation and deliberation, which is to say he was strangling her to kill her.
- [48:06]
A
Yeah.
- [48:06]
B
But he didn't think about it ahead of time before she came over, which is still bullshit.
- [48:11]
A
Yeah. Can we just put him away for the rest of his life forever? Because he only gets 10 to life. And, like, in 2020, we're told he has his first parole hearing, and they declined.
- [48:19]
B
I mean, obviously. Well, not obviously, but her friend Devin.
- [48:22]
A
Says, hope he's in jail for the rest of his life because he will.
- [48:24]
B
Definitely do this again if he hasn't already. There's no question. If he hasn't before.
- [48:28]
A
Yeah.
- [48:28]
B
Do you know what I mean?
- [48:29]
A
Right.
- [48:29]
B
I wonder if you know this, like, if you are someone who has been abused by this person or you have proof of violence. Like, could you write to the parole board and be like, I. Because I know. I'm sure you could. Right.
- [48:42]
A
I mean, anybody can write to the parole board.
- [48:43]
B
Could any of the other women he asked to, you know, like, the owner of the bungalow or the woman that he basically, like, essentially kind of threatened to be like, can you hold this tub for me? Here's my 400 pound muscle behind me.
- [48:54]
A
Yeah.
- [48:54]
B
Like, could she speak to the parole board and be like, I'm scared for my life?
- [48:58]
A
When you. Like when you murder somebody and then mutilate the body, you have to go to jail forever. You don't get to ever get out forever. You know what I mean?
- [49:04]
B
I feel like 10 years. I hope we're harping on the 10 years. I feel like whenever this gets across the desk, it just gets denied every time.
- [49:10]
A
Yeah, yeah, please. Oh, my God, girl. We did. What's it called?
- [49:17]
B
So this is Sin City Murders. This is the first episode of that series And I liked it because, like, you know, it ends with her friends being like, we think about her all the time. Like, she's a star. So I like that her friends were here. So we'll see what else we can do in this series.
- [49:30]
A
I like it. I'm into it. And that's it. We love you.
- [49:32]
B
Yeah. I hope you're liking these bonus episodes. We have plenty.
- [49:35]
A
We're almost done.
- [49:36]
B
Yeah, but we already have, like, the next three or four on the calendar for next year. For next year, fam.
- [49:42]
A
We're doing another 22 more bonus episodes, so we're doing 50 regular episodes next year, 22 bonus episodes. And then, like, Patreon every week, God knows.
- [49:50]
B
And then plus the after parties that we do for. Not just, like, the series episodes.
- [49:53]
A
Yeah.
- [49:54]
B
But, like, there are gonna be a couple weeks where you're gonna be like, God, it's enough for us.
- [49:57]
A
That's too much.
- [49:57]
B
Like, five pieces of content.
- [49:59]
A
Exactly. Well, you know, we love.
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B
We love it.
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A
We love.
- [50:02]
B
I'm just saying, it's like, it's never enough.
- [50:03]
A
It's never enough. All right, we love you. Goodbye.
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B
Bye. Stay, Saf.