483: Murder in Monaco

Summary

True Crime Obsessed – Episode 483: Murder in Monaco

Date: February 3, 2026
Hosts: Jillian Batavale, Patrick Hines
Episode Focus: A deep-dive, humor-laced breakdown of Netflix’s "Murder in Monaco," exploring the suspicious death of billionaire banker Edmond Safra in the world’s most exclusive playground.

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Episode Overview

Patrick and Jillian recap and analyze the Netflix documentary "Murder in Monaco," which investigates the headline-grabbing 1999 death of billionaire banker Edmond Safra. Set against the glitzy, secretive world of Monaco, the case spirals into a web of billionaires, Russian mob links, a mysterious nurse, and improbable incompetence from the world’s supposed elite security forces. The episode is filled with the hosts' signature wit, skepticism, and questions about privilege, motive, and the reliability of every major figure (documentary, interviewee, and suspect alike).

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Main Themes and Purpose

• Examine the many-layered mystery surrounding Safra’s death, blending true crime intrigue with sharp comedic commentary.
• Question the billionaire-saturated, highly surveilled society of Monaco and how such a murder could happen under everyone’s nose.
• Dissect the conflicting stories and unreliable narrators, especially nurse Ted Maher (also known as John Green).
• Explore what massive wealth and power enable – both in crime and its coverup.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Hosts' Reactions to the Documentary

• Patrick loves the doc’s messiness: “I love it so much.”
• Jillian can barely hide her disinterest: “Oh, I hated it. I didn't. I don't even think it's well made. Sorry.” (00:25)
• They agree the documentary raises more questions than it answers.

2. The Setting: Monaco’s Surreal Bubble

• “Monaco is less than a square mile.” (Isabel Vincent, 01:53)
• “It's a sunny place for shady people.” (Patrick, 01:55)
• The country’s tax-free status, concentration of the super-rich, and omnipresent surveillance don’t align with the “safest place on earth” image after this incident.

3. Who Was Edmond Safra?

• “He's Lebanese born from a wealthy Jewish banking [family]... One of the 200 richest...” (Patrick, 05:09)
• Ran banks for the ultra-rich and royalty, surrounded by mystery and rumors of Russian mob involvement.
• “His specialty: private banking for extremely wealthy clients.” (Patrick, 05:34)

4. The Night of the Crime

• Masked intruders allegedly break into Safra’s penthouse, prompting him and nurse Vivian Torrente to hide in a reinforced panic room. Ultimately, the penthouse is set ablaze. (Isabel Vincent, 03:40)
• “Firefighters and police burst into the panic room, find Edmond seated in a red chair, dead, with his nurse at his feet...” (Patrick, 04:03)
• “This is the most... that’s the billionairiest thing I’ve ever heard. He’s like dead in the red wingback chair and she’s dead at his feet.” (Patrick, 04:18)

5. Spotlight: Enter Nurse Ted Maher

• Ted Maher: Hired on the strength of a purportedly impressive CV – Green Beret, nurse, neonatal expertise.
• “With Ted, you're getting a nurse, and a guerilla warfare expert, and a bodyguard all rolled into one.” (Jillian, 12:24)
• Both hosts cast doubt on his credentials and backstory (“We have to question everything everybody tells us. Was he a neonatal nurse?” (Patrick, 13:20)
• Ted received an extravagant salary plus an equally extravagant living stipend: “$600 a day and a $10,000 a month siphon...” (Ted Mayer, 17:32; Patrick/Jillian, 17:52)

6. Motives and Suspects

• Russia’s involvement looms: Safra had massive financial dealings there, made enemies by pulling out his fortunes, and even cooperated with the FBI on Russian money laundering. (Isabel Vincent, 24:22)
• “There's a lot of reasons to think... it was Russia at first.” (Patrick, 24:01)
• Russian mob’s reputation for assassinating business rivals is hammered home. (Jillian, 23:04)

7. The Lily Safra Factor

• The billionaire’s wife, fourth marriage, mysterious, ambitious—painted as a possible black widow.
• “Her ambition was to become the world’s leading socialite and set about achieving it.” (Heidi, 09:42)
• Both Safra and Lily’s former husbands died under odd circumstances after changing their wills in Lily’s favor.
  • Notably: “He committed suicide by shooting himself. Twice.” (Isabel Vincent, 44:34)

8. The Security Conundrum

• “The penthouse is over 10,000 square feet… Panic buttons everywhere, bulletproof shutters, CCTV everywhere. It was a fortress.” (Patrick, 25:01)
• The key questions: If security was that tight, how did the crime happen? And why weren’t any bodyguards there the night of the fire?
• “Not one member of Safra’s personal army was with him... except for the worst Green Beret on the planet.” (Jillian, 46:41)

9. The Case Against Ted

• Authorities claim Ted Maher started the fire himself to then “heroically” save Safra and get rewarded.
• CCTV wasn’t working that night, casting suspicions. (Patrick, 29:45)
• Ted’s evolving, inconsistent stories (including being kidnapped by Russian mobsters) are dismantled by the hosts and other interview subjects.
• “As he’s telling the story…I’m like, he’s not talking like a Green Beret and he’s not acting like a Green Beret.” (Jillian, 31:13)
• The confession was signed under duress (possibly to protect his wife), but later investigation reveals it was translated for him—undercutting his own account. (Patrick/Jillian, 75:10)

10. Incompetence or Conspiracy? The Botched Rescue

• Firefighters took three hours to access the penthouse, allegedly delayed by police protocol requiring a full building sweep. (Timelines at 54:04; 54:14)
• “That is some…where I was like, oh, new fear unlocked! Like, this is absolutely horrifying.” (Jillian, 54:15)
• The hosts (and documentary) hammer on how avoidable the deaths were if emergency response had been remotely competent.

11. Ted’s Life After—the Escapes, Lies, and Downfall

• Ted attempts a prison break with help from cellmate Luigi (“Luigi says Ted’s obsession with being the main character is baffling.” (Jillian, 63:43))
• Revealed later to have lied about his Green Beret past (“He absolutely was not.” – Guardians of Green Berets, 74:20)
• After serving time, Ted (as John Green) faces new charges in the US, including attempted murder of a partner, dognapping, and fraud (72:29–76:18)
• Documentary director admits to only belatedly verifying Ted’s background—a major critique.

12. Unanswered Questions, Baffling Endings, and Fragments of Truth

• Wills changed weeks before deaths, CCTV failures, bodyguards' absence, no straightforward moti—abound.
• “There are a lot of unreliable narrators here.” (Jillian, 79:04)
• “Who's just like, oh, yeah, I'll just lose $50 million, cost of doing business?” (Jillian, 80:43)
• Did Lilly, the Russians, Ted, or all three, conspire? Is it Occam’s Razor: Ted acted alone and made a fatal miscalculation?
• Who really gains in a system built solely for billionaires’ peace of mind?

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Billionaire Absurdity:
  “This is the most... that’s the billionairiest thing I’ve ever heard. He’s like dead in the red wingback chair and she’s dead at his feet.” – Patrick (04:18)

• Jillian Diagnosis:
  “There are a lot of unreliable narrators here. I feel like if the Russian mob were involved, they’d do a much better job.” (79:04)

• On Monaco:
  “It’s a sunny place for shady people.” – Patrick (01:55)

• On Ted’s Green Beret Credentials:
  “[He] absolutely was not [a Green Beret].” — Guardians of the Green Berets (74:20)

• Prison Break Dynamics:
  “Luigi says Ted’s obsession with being the main character is baffling.” – Jillian (63:43)
  “Ted got stuck because of his big butt, Luigi runs back home to Italy.” (65:10)

• Illuminating Skepticism:
  “As he’s telling the story…I’m like, he’s not talking like a Green Beret and he’s not acting like a Green Beret…Worst Green Beret of all time.” – Jillian (31:13, 38:38)

• On the Cops’ Protocol During the Fire:
  “The guy is in the panic room. Like, everyone is about to die…So this takes three hours.” – Jillian (55:01, 55:14)

• On Lily Safra’s Reputation:
  “Every time Lily gets married, the person is richer than the guy before.” – Patrick (44:07)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 00:25 – Hosts reveal their opposing reactions to the documentary
• 03:40 – Detailed recounting of the crime night
• 11:02 – Ted Maher’s introduction and sketchy credentials debated
• 17:32 – Ted details his extravagant pay and perks as Safra’s nurse
• 24:22 – FBI letter, Russian mob threat timeline outlined
• 29:45 – CCTV failures the night of the murder
• 46:41 – Security team’s mysterious absence scrutinized
• 54:04–55:14 – Emergency response timeline; marathon rescue fails
• 74:20 – Ted’s Green Beret claims debunked
• 76:18 – Ted’s final prison sentence and complete unraveling

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Tone and Language

Maintains True Crime Obsessed's signature irreverence, pop culture banter, skepticism about docu-narratives, and dark, relatable humor (“worst Green Beret of all time” is a refrain; references to ’90s TV and “word salad” abound). The episode mixes genuine sympathy for victims (especially nurse Vivian) with exhausted disdain for billionaire melodrama and spectacle.

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Final Takeaways

• No one is trustworthy: Nearly every player (documentary maker included) is revealed to be an unreliable narrator.
• Ted Maher/John Green’s guilt: He’s almost certainly the arsonist, but his bizarre lies, failures, and weird nonchalance boggle the mind.
• Lily Safra remains enigmatic: Both a plausible black widow and a benefactor for many, she epitomizes the untouchable elite.
• Justice for Vivian: The only indisputably innocent victim.
• Systems built for the rich: Monaco’s veneer of safety, order, and privilege cracks spectacularly under scrutiny.
• “None of this would have happened if the guy wasn’t a billionaire.” – Patrick (80:27)

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For Listeners: Why This Episode Matters

If you’re new to the Safra case, this episode delivers all the wild twists, unbelievable privilege, and true-crime insanity of “Murder in Monaco,” but with the clarity, skepticism, and sharp laughter Jillian and Patrick are known for.

Listen for:

• Biting commentary on billionaire culture
• Unforgettable cast of characters—especially Nurse Ted and Lady C
• Relentless takedown of mythologized true crime narratives
• The real question: In a fortress built for billionaires, who wins, who dies, and who’s ever actually held accountable?

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Transcript

[Jillian Batavale]

The way I don't care about any of this. Do you care about this?

[Patrick Hines]

What I was going to say was I don't know what you're here to talk about. I'm here to talk about Lady C and nothing else.

[Jillian Batavale]

I care about Vivian.

[Patrick Hines]

But like, yeah, I kind of do care about this. The thing is, I learned so much, I didn't know anything about Monaco. Am I moving there? No, no.

[Jillian Batavale]

It's the unsafe as safest, not safe place ever. And you're not a billionaire.

[Patrick Hines]

Tell. I know. Tell them thanks for rubbing it in. Tell them. This is a good documentary, though.

[Jillian Batavale]

Oh, I hated it. I didn't. I don't even think it's well made. Sorry.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, my God, really?

[Jillian Batavale]

I know, I'm sorry.

[Patrick Hines]

I loved it. This would be a fun one.

[Jillian Batavale]

Don't be like a miserable bit the whole time. But like, it's not my favorite doc.

[Patrick Hines]

Hi. Jillian Batavale.

[Jillian Batavale]

Hi, Patrick Hines.

[Ted Mayer (Green Beret Nurse)]

Fam.

[Patrick Hines]

Join the Facebook group. It's the true crime obsessed podcast discussion group. But you can only join if you want to meet other like minded people. If you like having a good time, if you like talking about the episodes, if you like making new friends. So, like, only join if you like any one or all of those things.

[Jillian Batavale]

Okay, great.

[Patrick Hines]

What are the other things we have.

[Jillian Batavale]

To tell them about Discord.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, well, that's like. That's your domain.

[Jillian Batavale]

Yeah. The discy is a thing that we love. Patrick calls it the disky. It's Discord. We have all these channels. We talk about the apps and people, like share personal things too. It's great. It's a server and then we have channels on the server.

[Patrick Hines]

Whenever I turn on my computer for the first time, it pops up and I immediately act out because I'm scared. Because it feels hard to me.

[Jillian Batavale]

It's not, but it's okay. I don't want you to scare other people off from it.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

Come join us.

[Patrick Hines]

It's just grandpa over here not knowing what's going on, girl. What are we talking about today?

[Jillian Batavale]

This is on Netflix. It's called Murder in Monaco.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. There is a murder mystery to report to you tonight. The victim, an elusive billionaire banker. It raises a whole lot of questions, like who wanted him dead and why Is unfolding at the favorite playground of the rich and famous. Monaco.

[Ted Mayer (Green Beret Nurse)]

Monaco. Oh, God.

[Isabel Vincent (Investigative Reporter)]

Monaco is less than a square mile.

[Patrick Hines]

Is a sunny place for shady people.

[Isabel Vincent (Investigative Reporter)]

It's one of the safest countries with.

[Patrick Hines]

Surveillance in almost every corner of the principality. How could one of the richest men in the world Be killed in one of the securest countries in the world.

[Heidi (Ted's Wife)]

Who had any benefits for that?

[Patrick Hines]

You want to tell me that you didn't like it?

[Jillian Batavale]

I just felt like, what are we doing here?

[Patrick Hines]

I got to tell you, watching it the second time through, I really didn't know what to think. There's so many different possibilities of what could have happened. And I had questions along the way that I thought I had answers to, but then I. Then I changed my answer to the questions.

[Jillian Batavale]

Oh, answers you're not getting. So if you came here for answers.

[Patrick Hines]

Today for me, you know what this felt like? It felt like a Seth. A Seth Point. You know, he makes all those amazing. He made, like, Class Action park and Santa Con and. What's the bank robbery? How to rob a bank. So good.

[Jillian Batavale]

I love his docs.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, but not this one.

[Jillian Batavale]

Not his.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, we open with the investigator. Her name is Isabel Vincent. She gets sued all the time.

[Jillian Batavale]

Well, she works for the New York Post.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, she's like an investigative reporter for the New York Post. I didn't know they had those.

[Isabel Vincent (Investigative Reporter)]

She.

[Jillian Batavale]

I know. I'm like, you know what I mean? Investigative reporting.

[Patrick Hines]

I know.

[Jillian Batavale]

Which they don't do. But she says. She's like, yeah, I keep their legal department in business. And I'm like, well, it is the New York Post. I like. Their legal department is busy with or without Isabel. Isabel. I know what she's trying to say.

[Patrick Hines]

Very, very busy.

[Jillian Batavale]

Come on.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, she says that she spent all of these years trying to figure out what happened to this guy named Edmund Safra. She says it was just such a mystery that was never fully explained.

[Jillian Batavale]

He's like, crazy, crazy, crazy rich. She's a billionaire.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. And so we're going to learn he was a literal billionaire. One of the 20 richest people in the world living in a place called Monaco, which I did not realize was less, was smaller than 1 square mile. On the night of the crime, it's reported, and we're going to get more into this later, but here are the detail.

[Isabel Vincent (Investigative Reporter)]

On the night of the crime, it's reported that masked intruders break into Edmund Soffer's Monaco penthouse and try to kidnap or kill him. Edmund and his nurse lock themselves inside an armored panic room. The intruders are unable to penetrate the penthouse and set the penthouse ablaze.

[Jillian Batavale]

They set the penthouse on fire.

[Patrick Hines]

This 10,000 square foot penthouse on fire. Firefighters and police burst into the panic room, find Edmond seated in a red chair, dead with his nurs at his feet, like.

[Jillian Batavale]

And her name is Vivian Torrente. She is Maybe one of the most innocent.

[Patrick Hines]

No questions.

[Jillian Batavale]

She's collateral damage. This is horrible.

[Patrick Hines]

But I was like, this is the most. That's the billionairiest thing I've ever heard. He's like dead in the red wingback chair and she's dead at his feet.

[Jillian Batavale]

Like this poor woman is just trying to be a fucking nurse.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Batavale]

So the questions are like, who are the intruders? What happened? How did they die? What is the motive? What happened?

[Patrick Hines]

I love how much you hate it. You're trying so hard. I love it so much.

[Jillian Batavale]

Oh, I'm supposed to give a shit about Russian oligarchs and billionaires and.

[Patrick Hines]

No, but it's kind of a good story. Story. There's lots of people to hate. Okay.

[Jillian Batavale]

Is that not just like any given day these days?

[Patrick Hines]

You know what? On Patreon right now we're doing the Philadelphia Mafia. That's a very heavy lift for you all to the lifting year. Because I kind of enjoyed this.

[Jillian Batavale]

Okay, I'm glad you did. And I don't. I just. We'll get to my, like, confusion with what we're doing here later on. I think it's a valid question. Again, I will not be a miserable.

[Patrick Hines]

No, no, no, no, no. Not at all. We learned about Safra. He was. He's Lebanese born from a wealthy Jewish banking. One of the 200 richest. Oh, I got it wrong. One of the 200 richest, not one of the 20th.

[Jillian Batavale]

Is there a difference? Well, it's one of the world. He's on the COVID of forbes, the world's 200 richest men. And I'm like, is there a list for women or general.

[Patrick Hines]

No, women don't.

[Jillian Batavale]

They're not allowed to make money. Small brains and weak arms. I keep forgetting. But even his wealth is kind of mysterious.

[Patrick Hines]

Mystery has always surrounded Safra and his business dealings. His specialty, private banking for extremely wealthy clients.

[Isabel Vincent (Investigative Reporter)]

He had many high powered clients. Hollywood actors, politicians, even the royal family of Monaco.

[Jillian Batavale]

Mr. Safra is my banker.

[Isabel Vincent (Investigative Reporter)]

He was very good friends with celebrities.

[Jillian Batavale]

We're in the money. Hollywood actors, politicians, the royal family of Monaco. And there's Bette Midler singing Where in the Money. On stage, bragging about how she's this guy's client or whatever.

[Patrick Hines]

Now listen, we go to this castle, we meet this woman, lady Colin Campbell, friend of the Sephirs. She is a grump.

[Jillian Batavale]

Lady C. She hates you now. She hates this. She hates everything.

[Patrick Hines]

So, like, she's just. The thing is, like, she's only in this document. She doesn't really give us anything. She's just here because she's grumpy, demanding, doesn't want to be here, storms out of the interview, then decides to come back. Do you want anything to drink?

[Heidi (Ted's Wife)]

No, thank you. I want this over with as quickly as possible.

[Patrick Hines]

Start.

[Isabel Vincent (Investigative Reporter)]

All right.

[Heidi (Ted's Wife)]

Okay.

[Patrick Hines]

Could you introduce yourself to.

[Jillian Batavale]

No, no, thank you. I want this over as quickly as possible. Start.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, my God. And it's just like, there's lady.

[Jillian Batavale]

Literally lady.

[Patrick Hines]

Right? Like, oh, oh. She was also on I'm a celebrity, get me out of here. Like, this is the kind of celebrity we're dealing with.

[Jillian Batavale]

I'm a celebrity. Get me out of here. Where were they?

[Patrick Hines]

Did you know that show, like, they would take, like, celebrities like Melissa Rivers and put them, like in some jungle somewhere in like a pit full of like anacondas.

[Jillian Batavale]

I couldn't describe it.

[Patrick Hines]

I was scared. I never saw it.

[Jillian Batavale]

I assumed they'd be like, in a supermarket.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

No, no, like Nordstro.

[Patrick Hines]

Right, exactly. So I'm nor in a Starbucks.

[Jillian Batavale]

Right. Or Right. But at the bank.

[Patrick Hines]

I love that. Isabelle the journalist asked the director like, did you go to the castle? And he's like, yeah. And he's like, oh, God.

[Jillian Batavale]

Oh my God.

[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Batavale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Batavale]

Let me tell you, because you pop.

[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Batavale]

Yeah. They have the oven ready trays, they have quick microwave lunches. They have these 30 minute meals with the like, the classic recipes with the fresh ingredients. They have everything.

[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Batavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Batavale]

Right. Or, and, and I should say not. Or. And there's even a dedicated family menu for hassle free four or six, six serving dinners.

[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Batavale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Batavale]

Yeah, it's really fun to, like, go through the menu and pick what you want and then you have something to look forward to instead of it being 6 o' clock and you're like, oh, God, what's for dinner?

[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Batavale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Batavale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Batavale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Batavale]

Lady C also was writing a book on the life of Lily Safra. Who's Edmund? Who is the guy who was killed? The billionaire. His wife.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Batavale]

And so Edmund's brother reached out to Lady c. And lady Cs like, let me tell you, I got a lot of information from the brother that, like, no one else would get otherwise.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, but the loyalties are going sideways left and right in this whole exchange. You know what I mean?

[Jillian Batavale]

I know you're not a freaks and geeks person, but there's a song called Lady L that someone to impress Linda Cardellini sings. Cause her name is Lindsay in the show.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, really?

[Jillian Batavale]

So Lady C, now I have Lady L stuck in my head.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, God.

[Jillian Batavale]

Here's the thing. The Safra brothers hated Lily, apparently.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Heidi (Ted's Wife)]

The Safras had always been a very respected family, whereas Lily Safra was a woman of no background. Her ambition was to become the world's leading socialite and set about achieving it.

[Jillian Batavale]

Because she wasn't, quote, suitable enough for her brother. She wasn't rich enough.

[Patrick Hines]

But I also wonder too, though, like, they're not the rich ones in that family. Their brother is the one that married her. And in my opinion, this all comes down to who's gonn get what when he dies.

[Jillian Batavale]

They're accusing her of using him for clout. She wants to be a socialite. She wants money. We'll learn more about her later about maybe why that might be a little bit true. But I think everyone is after this guy's billions, no question.

[Patrick Hines]

And like, her ambition, according to Isabel, was to become, like, the world's leading socialite. She kind of nails it, right? She kind of does it.

[Jillian Batavale]

Edmund has Parkinson's and so we're told that this kind of puts an end to Lily's social climbing. Because she had to look after him.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes. Until he died.

[Jillian Batavale]

Well, right. So he was on a lot of medication. And apparently, like, his medication or his mixture of medication or whatever made him paranoid that people were coming after him.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Batavale]

But then it's like. Well, it's not just the medication. It's also the life he was living that was making him paranoid about this.

[Patrick Hines]

He's also, like, a very old man. So, like, his whole life, he's, like, surrounded by bodyguards and nurses.

[Jillian Batavale]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

And this is where we meet Ted Mayher.

[Jillian Batavale]

Yeah. They say his name, like, ten different ways. Maher.

[Patrick Hines]

Mar.

[Jillian Batavale]

Ted. Ted is one of the nurses.

[Patrick Hines]

I want to say this, like, taking as much affectation away from it as possible in his footage from the time. He is so unbelievably handsome, this guy Ted. Yeah. To me, like, he's just like, if I could look like any person, I would look like him in, like, the late 90s. Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

Couldn't pick him out of a lineup right now.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, my God. Like, I'm not. This is not me objectifying him sexually. This is me saying that, like, as a little boy, that was what I wanted to look like. Whoa. Yeah. Just, like, to me, this man not in, like, modern life. And this guy is a fucking weirdo. So, like, I. I'm just saying, when I saw him, it, like, took my breath away.

[Jillian Batavale]

That is. Isn't that so interesting how just humans are so weird and different? Because I can't remember what he looked like right now.

[Patrick Hines]

That's funny.

[Jillian Batavale]

I was just, like, typo or whatever. It just didn't sink into me at all.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, it's funny. You're like, he has these really piercing blue eyes, which, you know, he was complimented throughout his entire life because in the end, he's gonna say a thousand times, you can look into my eyes and know if I'm a liar.

[Jillian Batavale]

Yeah, shut up. Ted's a nurse. Not only is he a nurse, Ted.

[Isabel Vincent (Investigative Reporter)]

Maher goes for an interview. He was a Green Beret, who's also a nurse. So he was a good candidate.

[Jillian Batavale]

He's a Green Beret. Let me tell you, Green Berets are no joke.

[Patrick Hines]

Totally.

[Jillian Batavale]

They're regarded as the most elite soldiers. Like, that's the quote. They go through this, like, super intense training. So with Ted, you're getting a nurse, like, and a guerrilla warfare expert and a bodyguard all rolled into one.

[Patrick Hines]

It's like, he's the perfect candidate for exactly what this Guy needs for this.

[Jillian Batavale]

Billionaire who's worried that people are coming after him. Like, I'll get into what the Green Berets do. Cause I was like, I need to, like, learn about them more. They are no fucking job.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, no. They go through, like, the Special forces training. Like, it's craz crazy.

[Jillian Batavale]

Also, no joke, because Ted explains how he got to Monaco. He was a neonatal nurse in New York City. Another thing that is no fucking joke.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, he. Ted is very smart. You know what I mean? Like, Ted is very smart. That's all. I'm going to leave it there. His wife Heidi worked in the hospital with him. They both work in a hospital they both worked on. Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

Like, a neonatal nurse, like, is serious business. I know these, like, this very prestigious hospital, like, okay, so you're thinking, like, oh, yeah. So I guess, like, this is how it's done. You, like, when you're a billionaire, you just get a nurse through word of mouth.

[Patrick Hines]

I guess my. Here's the thing, though. It's not giving it anything away to say. You have not you. We have to question everything everybody tells us. Was he a neonatal nurse? Well, you know what I mean?

[Jillian Batavale]

Well, that's what I'm saying. It's just like, between the Green Beret and the neonatal nurse, like, wow, this guy.

[Patrick Hines]

Highly qualified, exact resume.

[Jillian Batavale]

Right? And that's why I'm thinking, like, how interesting that. Because he says that the parents of twins that Ted was taking care of hooked him up with this new gig because they know the most. The richest guy on earth needs a nurse.

[Patrick Hines]

But even that, like, he describes it as a family of kids I was taking. I'm like, were you a nanny or were you a neonatal nurse for these kids?

[Jillian Batavale]

And I'm also like, wow, so one of the richest people in the world who's super paranoid just, like, hire someone through word of mouth. I would think that when you're a billionaire, you go, I don't know, like a background check or something or some betting.

[Patrick Hines]

But no, no, no.

[Jillian Batavale]

This person across the world has this contact, and suddenly, like, Ted is on a plane in the lap of luxury.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. Like, Ted gets flown out to Nice, France, where he's picked up in a limo, driven to the most expensive estate in the world, security with Uzis everywhere. And he meets with a psychiatrist as, like, a first interview. He passes that test, and he meets with Lily, the wife.

[Ted Mayer (Green Beret Nurse)]

She said, oh, we've heard a lot of things about you. Very good things. I was ex special Forces. So not only was her Husband getting a nurse, but he'd be getting bodyguard slash nurse. So that was pretty much it. I mean, Lily was talking to me, asking me a few basic questions. And she said, I'll talk to my husband and you'll come here tomorrow world.

[Patrick Hines]

She loved that. He was like ex special forces. So it's all working out. Like, you're right. No background check. Nothing really else on this guy. I guess the recommendation of this other family is enough.

[Jillian Batavale]

I guess it really is who you know.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. And Lily's like, you start now.

[Jillian Batavale]

Yeah, you pet. You were vetted by the psychiatrist, right? And you're in. Okay.

[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Batavale]

I wear it all the time. I have the jeans. I have this crew that's super soft. I have the nylon crossbody bag. I have the little like fleece jogger set.

[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Batavale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Batavale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Batavale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Batavale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Batavale]

So good. Let's learn about Monaco. Monaco is described as a tax free paradise.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. More millionaires live in a single square mile than anywhere else on the planet.

[Jillian Batavale]

And now, depending on who you ask, it's either a gorgeous place to save your millions without taxes or it's a sunny place for shady people and there's no in between.

[Patrick Hines]

And I have so many questions about this because we're going to learn that, like part of the benefit of being a citizen of Monaco is that you don't pay taxes. How do they pay for anything there? How do they get the streets paved? How do they have a fire department? How do they. You know what I mean?

[Jillian Batavale]

I don't know.

[Patrick Hines]

No one's paying any taxes there.

[Jillian Batavale]

Right. And we're also told that it's one of the safest and securest places in the world.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

So because everyone is so rich and they. Everyone has like their own personal security and there are tons of cops or whatever. And I'm like, cops don't make anything safer.

[Patrick Hines]

It's interesting because I don't know that at the end of the day, this story does much to dispel that for me. You know, there's a couple of things that go wrong in what happens here. Oh, sure, that, like, but other than that, I don't know. Like, I don't want to give anything away, but I. It seems safe.

[Jillian Batavale]

Yeah, we're just, you know what, we are just gathering information at this point.

[Patrick Hines]

We know too much. You and I know too much right.

[Jillian Batavale]

Now, which, you know, rare. But Ted is thrilled though. He's like, I'm in Monaco. I have the easiest gig in the world. He's making a ton of money.

[Ted Mayer (Green Beret Nurse)]

Working for Mr. Safra was a dream job. I mean, I'm being paid $600 a day and I'm getting a $10,000 a month siphon to pay for the hotel maid service, meals, open bar. When you weren't working. They covered everything. Like, wow, life is good.

[Patrick Hines]

The money breakdown there seems odd.

[Jillian Batavale]

I agree.

[Patrick Hines]

You know what I mean? Like, $600 obviously is a lot of money day's work, but $10,000 a month just to be there. And I mean, I guess when you're like, it's sort of like when you take like a billionaire like Rihanna and they break down. Like what? Like what a Starbucks costs. Like a Starbucks coffee costs for her versus what it costs for us. Literally pennies. And so I guess when you're that rich, like you got to pay him a regular salary, but then you got to give them the ten grand a month just to live. Like, it's just. The money breakdown is weird. Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

I don't understand it. It doesn't make any sense to me as a non billionaire. I also don't understand why this guy is paying for a hotel and a maid service when there's a 10,000 square foot penthouse right on the biggest and most expensive estate on the planet.

[Patrick Hines]

I guess though, if you're the billionaire you don't want the help living at your house.

[Jillian Batavale]

But he can live literally. I mean, it's the biggest estate, literally, on the planet, which we're told. So, like, you can't just put another house for the nurses and everything feels weird to me.

[Patrick Hines]

We're also told that Monaco was only one square mile. You know what I mean? Like, it seems like a very small place. Place.

[Jillian Batavale]

I don't understand this.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

To be.

[Patrick Hines]

I mean, it's not for us to understand.

[Jillian Batavale]

You know what? Good. Because then Ted says. And then the shit hit the fan. Oh, did it ever.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, we're at a press conference after Safra's death. The Monaco general prosecutor is here, and he tells us the known facts. So once again, the intruders came into the residence. Safra and Vivian, the nurse took refuge in the safe room. The firefighters came in, and he refused to come out.

[Jillian Batavale]

Lily, the wife, escaped and survived. And Ted was stabbed in, like, the fleshy part of the thigh and also survived to the nurse. So what's interesting here is at first we were told they were in the safe room. Now we're being told they're in the bathroom. Yeah, Edmund and his nurse Vivian. Then when the firefighters come, Edmund refuses to come out of the bathroom. And so Edmund and poor Vivian, the nurse, suffocate from the smoke. And I'm like, this is so tragic, but also wildly confusing because we were just told that Monaco is the safest place in the world, and he's surrounded by armed guards. And Ted, the nurse, is a Green Beret. So I'm really struggling to figure out.

[Patrick Hines]

How this happens, how this happens. You, me, and the people of Monaco.

[Jillian Batavale]

And then we meet Mr. X and I. Oh, great. I said to myself, Mr. X, because here's the thing.

[Patrick Hines]

He wants to be anonymous. And so he's in shadow. Kind of like if.

[Jillian Batavale]

No voice change.

[Patrick Hines]

No voice change. If he were to move his head one inch to the right, we'd see his whole face.

[Jillian Batavale]

He's in disguise as much as I'm.

[Patrick Hines]

In disguise right now, literally. Which is to say, loving that wig on you, by the way.

[Jillian Batavale]

Thank you.

[Patrick Hines]

He's the head of security, you know, and he's telling us that Edmund was afraid of terrorist organizations, Mafia. So the security around him was massive security. It was a team of up to 25 security guards. They were from specialist army units, all from specialized army units. Like the Mossad.

[Jillian Batavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And like, every couple of months, they had new candidates coming in. And this is where we see the. Either the training or the tryout. They're all running around this one room with machine guns, yelling, doing one arm push ups, rolling on it just seems like a bunch of boys playing make believe and having the time of their lives.

[Jillian Batavale]

Yeah, GI Joe.

[Patrick Hines]

Exactly.

[Jillian Batavale]

Mr. X says though with all the protection we have, it should not have happened. And instantly I'm like, this has to be some kind of an inside job. It doesn't make any sense.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Batavale]

Otherwise, right?

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Batavale]

So Henry Kissinger however is on the news saying, nope, it was organized crime. Don't. It was absolutely not an inside job. They have a very long reach. It was the mob of some kind.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes. And now we meet Bill Browder. So he was Safra's Russian connection, they call him. So Bill is here, he tells us that Edmund was his business partner. Bill is a specialist in the Russian stock market. They set up some business. Saffra puts in $25 million and like in 18 months it turns into $1 billion.

[Jillian Batavale]

It's a wild sentence because he says, Edmund put up the first $25 million. I'm like, wow, I know this is, this is money that like $20 million.

[Patrick Hines]

Is like nothing to Edmunds and the first 25 million.

[Jillian Batavale]

So it was only going to grow from there. Like the amount of money that these people are all handling and is, is, is disgusting.

[Patrick Hines]

How much of that is Midler's, do you think? How much of that 25 million is Midler's millions?

[Jillian Batavale]

I kind of can't believe that Middler's even involved. But you know, based on how, you know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

Like the Bernie Madoff of it all, like Kevin Bacon and Cure Centric lost their entire fortune, you know what I mean? They lost every penny. I mean they got it, they did. They got it back pretty fast because she was the highest paid actress on TV at the time for the Closer she was making a million dollars an episode. First woman on TV to ever make a million bucks in episode.

[Jillian Batavale]

Anyway, so they were at a billion dollars in eight within 18 months.

[Patrick Hines]

But then, but in 1998 the Russian government devalued their currency by 75%. We lost $900 million of our clients money. Edmund Safra was deeply involved in Russia. His banks had lost billions there in the economic collapse. And in recent months he had moved to dramatically reduce the amount of business his banks did there. Stafford takes all of his money out of Russia and that pisses off Putin. Like that pisses off all of the Russians. And that's why they think this might be a Russian hit.

[Jillian Batavale]

Right? So now Edmund is scared that the Russian Mob is going to kill him. He's not wrong to feel that way. Like, Russian mobsters are known for killing people over business deals.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

There's a news report that says they've killed over quote 200 businessmen over the last year. Whatever year that came out.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, and so like Bill, the business partner, that's his name.

[Jillian Batavale]

Yeah. They started the Hermitage fund. That's what they did.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, I don't know what that is.

[Jillian Batavale]

Like the Russian dos dossier.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, the dossier. Oh well we learned too that like Bill gets a taste of what Edmund's life is like all the time because Edmund hires like 20 bodyguards to be around him at all times because he's afraid that he's also going to be killed by the Russians. All of this is just further proof that this is why we think it's Russia at first.

[Jillian Batavale]

Right? And Bill's like, it's terrifying. And he's like, let me tell you a thing or two about Russian oligarchs. Don't fuck with them. They run everything in Russia. They're super wealthy and they're backed by the Russian government. Like this is just a very dangerous place to be a billionaire.

[Patrick Hines]

And also like there's another whole thing where Edmund has his own bank and he finds out that a different bank is sending plane loads of cash to Russia from America and Edmund rats them out to the FBI.

[Jillian Batavale]

Well, so yeah, like this guy definitely has a target on his back, right?

[Patrick Hines]

So like there's a lot of reasons to think that why this could be.

[Jillian Batavale]

Russia and he's not totally innocent in this, right? Like he has this information because he was involved in the money laundering.

[Patrick Hines]

So I mean, can you imagine like this billionaire, squeaky clean. Look, you and I are worrying about going to jail for like accidentally like evading taxes and this guy's just sending planes full of cash to Russia, right?

[Jillian Batavale]

He's got a target on his back, no question. Just that timeline of this.

[Isabel Vincent (Investigative Reporter)]

So Edmunds bank received a letter from the FBI thanking them for their cooperation. This letter is dated August. Then in December, four months later he's killed. He's given this evidence to the FBI and he's a marked man.

[Jillian Batavale]

Four months later he's killed.

[Patrick Hines]

Right?

[Jillian Batavale]

The timeline is interesting.

[Patrick Hines]

Exactly.

[Jillian Batavale]

That's all I'm saying.

[Patrick Hines]

So now we learn about the penthouse where Edmund was killed. So the penthouse is on the very top of his bank, right? This penthouse is over 10,000 square feet. Panic buttons everywhere, bulletproof shutters, CCTV everywhere. It was a fortress that they describe as completely impenetrable.

[Jillian Batavale]

Well, yeah, cuz there's like not a single blind spot with the cameras. So they say it's this impenetrable fortress. And I'm like, really? Because they immediately in the same breath say, quote, the penthouse was easily accessible from the hotel next door. It can't be both things. Either it's a fortress or it's easily accessible.

[Patrick Hines]

I mean, this is unbelievable. When we remember Monaco is only one square mile, so they got to pack in a lot of real estate, not a lot of space. And we see how close this hotel actually is to the. To that, to the building where the.

[Jillian Batavale]

Penthouse, you can crawl in one window, you can be in both buildings.

[Patrick Hines]

You can have one foot on one on the roof and one foot on the other.

[Jillian Batavale]

Like in, like your legs can be in both windows on both buildings. No question. Like, like for real though, it's right. And I'm like, so don't call it a fortress, right?

[Patrick Hines]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Batavale]

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[Patrick Hines]

You had to do the. I'm not. I'm not the rulesy one. Well, it's you.

[Jillian Batavale]

It's written there.

[Patrick Hines]

Now we get this whole thing where, like, all along we've been suspecting the Russian mafia. But then the nurse, the pretty guy, gets arrested.

[Jillian Batavale]

This Green Beret. The news is saying, no, no, no, it's not the Russian mob. It's Ted, the Green Beret nurse. And he's been arrested. And now, remember, Ted is here with us talking to the documentary. Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And like, the reason why they arrest this guy is that authorities say Ted Mayer concocted a plan he thought would make him a hero in the billionaire's eyes. The nurse set the fire in a waste basket and planned to rescue Safra. Ted Mayer set the fire. He alerted a security guard, believing that firemen would put out the flames. Before they spread. And he stabbed himself, make it look as though he had fought off intruders. This guy set the fire himself so that he could put it out and save Safra and be a hero and.

[Jillian Batavale]

Like, get rewarded with the money and be like, oh, no, there was a fire. Oh, wow. I. I put it out. You're welcome. Why don't you give me a. I'm.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, look, there was intruders. I got stabbed, but he actually stabbed himself. And like, as you and I were saying, like, this has all the hallmarks of being an inside job. So, like, that kind of makes sense. So the prosecutor holds another press conferen. He says, Ted has signed a full legal confession. And this is where we also learn that, surprisingly, the CCTV footage all over this billion dollar penthouse wasn't working that night. So there's no footage of the intruders actually being anywhere in the penthouse or.

[Jillian Batavale]

Ted lighting the fire.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Jillian Batavale]

And I'm like, we can sort this shit out right now because this place doesn't have any blind spots, right? And now suddenly, like, either it's been destroyed or we don't have it or whatever.

[Patrick Hines]

So it cuts to Ted, who's like, look, next thing I know, I'm being transported to jail. I knew I had to prove my innocence. And now we meet this guy's attorney, Michael Griffith.

[Jillian Batavale]

Michael Griffith.

[Patrick Hines]

For just one second, I thought he was Michael Cohen. I was like, is this. Is Cohen here?

[Jillian Batavale]

Oh, my God.

[Patrick Hines]

I was thinking, I'm like, jillian can't deal. This is not for her. Today. We can't be dealing with Cohen today. Remember when Cohen almost single handedly saved.

[Jillian Batavale]

The Republic on top of everything else? I know Cohen.

[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Batavale]

So Ted says, you know, the day before the murder, he explains what happened.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Batavale]

His side of the story right now is sitting down for the doc. He says the day before the murder, Ted was kidnapped by two men in a van. He's like, I noticed a van was following me. And then, you know, it just. It happened so fast. I was pushed into this van by these two guys. They are Russian mobsters.

[Ted Mayer (Green Beret Nurse)]

You know, they made it really clear that, you know, I would do what I was told to make sure these steel shutters which cover the windows in Mr. Safra's apartment are open. On one night in particular, if I do something wrong, my family's going to be killed, Murdered, missing, hurt.

[Jillian Batavale]

They are Russian mobsters.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

Showing him photos of his wife and kids, making it very clear that if he doesn't do what they want him to do. His whole family's gonna be murdered.

[Patrick Hines]

Now, it one of those things where it's like, this could have happened, right?

[Jillian Batavale]

But this guy's a Green Beret. No.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

So I'm like. As he's telling the story, I'm like. He's not talking like a Green Beret and he's not acting like a Green Beret. And I just wanna read something from their website in case you don't know what the Green Beret is.

[Patrick Hines]

Tell me everything.

[Jillian Batavale]

So it, like, on the website, when they're trying to, like, do their pitch of, like, are you interested in becoming a Green Beret?

[Patrick Hines]

But you can't just, like, apply. You know what I mean? You can Dunkin Donuts go through some.

[Jillian Batavale]

Shit to get there. So they're part of the United States Army Special Forces. Right. They are America's premier special operations force. They are experts in unconventional warfare, counterterrorism, foreign internal defense, reconnaissance, direct action, hostage rescue and other strategic missions. And they say, as a Green Beret, you'll be an expert in guerrilla warfare and use unconventional tactics to take on missions abroad. You'll gain very focused skills and access to the most advanced technology, weapons and gear. I want everyone to just really listen to what they're saying without saying it.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

These people are specifically trained to do whatever the fuck it takes.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Batavale]

So the fact, like, that's. That's a real.

[Patrick Hines]

Not some guy who gets pulled into a van on a street corner in.

[Jillian Batavale]

Nice and then, like, does nothing about it. Like, they have direct access to the CIA, to the FBI. The whole point is that they are trained to do it. Like, really go back and listen to what I said again. Is it a word salad? Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

What are they really saying? Read between the lines.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

And Ted's like, before I knew it, I was being threatened. And then Ted's like, sure, Russian mob. I'll do exactly that. And instead of trying to, like, get his way out of it or call some authorities or call the government, he does exactly what they want him to do.

[Patrick Hines]

You're right. Like, you know, one ended up tied to a chair.

[Jillian Batavale]

This guy's Green Beret Ever the W. He's the worst Green Beret of all time because he tells the story of what he does. He and poor Vivian, this nurse.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

Are working. And because they're like, you know, you gotta leave the shutters wide open so we can shoot in and assassinate this guy.

[Patrick Hines]

Importantly, we should mention Ted says he wasn't even supposed to be working the night that Edmund was supposed to die. And the kidnappers are like, you will be there, right? You will get there, you will go.

[Jillian Batavale]

To the cottage, you see your wife and kids. Don't you love them? Like it'd be a real shame if they were murdered brutally.

[Patrick Hines]

Exactly. And so he ends up getting called into work that night, according to. And he's just like there when it all goes down, right?

[Jillian Batavale]

So he says that he and Vivian the nurse were on duty working. And the shutters, I checked all the.

[Ted Mayer (Green Beret Nurse)]

Windows and the steel shutters are all closed. But then I noticed the nursing station shutters, it was still open. And like, wow, I don't have to do anything.

[Jillian Batavale]

This bulletproof shutters are already wide open. He goes, wow, I didn't have to do anything. Oh, but it's sickening knowing that something's going to happen but you don't have any idea what. And I'm like as a Green Beret, trained to know what? Yeah, you're trained to know what and you're trained to stop it. And I'm like, as this Green Beretion, you have alerted somebody. Yeah, Worst Green Beret of all time.

[Patrick Hines]

So he describes, he's in the gym, he's hit over the back of the head with one of the.

[Jillian Batavale]

Crushing it at the gym Dumbbells.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, literally. According to Ted, he sees the intruders wearing masks. This is where he says, and I quote, my special forces training kicked in finally.

[Jillian Batavale]

Or did it?

[Patrick Hines]

Or did it?

[Jillian Batavale]

Because he's like, he's hit over the back of the head with a lamp. He says again, there's no footage of this anywhere.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. Remember the CCTV footage wasn't working that night.

[Jillian Batavale]

So he' taking one of the weights. He's totally crushing and he's.

[Patrick Hines]

It's only a 10 kilo attacking.

[Jillian Batavale]

What is that in pounds?

[Patrick Hines]

I think. I don't know. Oh no, 10 kilos is about 20 pounds.

[Jillian Batavale]

Okay.

[Patrick Hines]

Cuz I only know that because they make kettle bells and kilos and so I'm familiar with kettlebells.

[Jillian Batavale]

When you are doing the kettle bells, are you like me where you are just like, this is going to fly out of my hand at any moment?

[Patrick Hines]

No. And I'll. I will give it up to Mark Fisher Fitness, the gym in New York City that trained me how to use kettle bells. Because you really learn it can feel scary, but you know that you're more people will sometimes wear special glo likely to let the kettlebell slip out of your hand wearing the gloves than just using your regular hands.

[Jillian Batavale]

Okay.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, you can also.

[Jillian Batavale]

I like it I like the momentum. I like the feeling of it. But I'm like, how? What? Let's break down the numbers. Statistically, how many of us are, like, in Broad City is just, like, throwing them at the mirror?

[Patrick Hines]

Well, I was gonna say that happened at Mark Fisher Fitness once. Somebody, like, let it go and it broke the entire mirror. I'm just like, yeah, bad. It was a bad scene.

[Jillian Batavale]

What? I mean, what do you do?

[Patrick Hines]

I wasn't there.

[Jillian Batavale]

If you, like, never show your face again.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. You leave. You leave the city, you change your name, you get a new passport, you never speak to your family again. You move to Monaco.

[Jillian Batavale]

So, like, did his special forces training take over? I don't know. Because he takes one of the weights and starts attacking the mass intruders. Then he gets stabbed and blacks out. Thanks for nothing, Ted.

[Patrick Hines]

He did get stabbed and blacked out pretty fast.

[Jillian Batavale]

And I'm like, so stabbed in the fleshy part of the thigh equals.

[Patrick Hines]

And you blacked out?

[Jillian Batavale]

Blacked out.

[Patrick Hines]

Okay, I guess for the thing.

[Jillian Batavale]

Then he comes to. We don't know when or how or where or why. Runs to the bedroom. Yeah, poor Vivian. The nurse says, oh, my God, you're bleeding. Ted's like, forget about me. I'm a grievous. Someone has broken in. Gets Sephirah to the safe room, and.

[Patrick Hines]

This doesn't make any sense. Rather than calling for help himself, he hands her the cell phone and says, call for help.

[Ted Mayer (Green Beret Nurse)]

Nobody had ever trained us for, like, oh, there's a 911 emergency. So nobody else knew about it.

[Heidi (Ted's Wife)]

The only alarm that Ted knew was a fire alarm.

[Ted Mayer (Green Beret Nurse)]

We had a small trash can there. In French, it's called a poobelle. I put it right underneath the smoke alarm. And I lifted some tissue into the can and the alarm went off.

[Patrick Hines]

He realizes the fastest way to get the police and the fire department here is to set a fire himself.

[Jillian Batavale]

Now, okay, Ted has no idea how to report an emergency. There are. He is the worst Green Beret of all time because there are panic buttons.

[Patrick Hines]

All over the place, everywhere.

[Jillian Batavale]

But he says he didn't know where they were and he didn't think to ask. He says right here, with a straight face, he goes, no one ever told us, right? No one ever told the Green Beret nurse where the fucking panic buttons were.

[Patrick Hines]

Or like, it's this, like, specially trained security, like, top of notch from. But nobody ever showed you where. Like, the most important thing to this guy was his personal security. But nobody showed you where the panic button was.

[Jillian Batavale]

And as a Green Beret you don't make it your fucking business.

[Patrick Hines]

Right?

[Jillian Batavale]

And then in his infinite wisdom, he's like, well, oh, I know what I'll do. Since I don't know anything else. I'll just start a fire, put it under the alarm so that it'll. The alarm will go off and then the authorities will come save us. That makes sense to Ted.

[Patrick Hines]

This is giving that time. Peter Brady, like, did the laundry for the first time and put too much soap in and then suds came out and flooded the whole house.

[Jillian Batavale]

That's exactly it.

[Patrick Hines]

You know what I mean?

[Jillian Batavale]

That's exactly it.

[Patrick Hines]

I got.

[Jillian Batavale]

And then they sang a song after. Right?

[Patrick Hines]

100%. When it's time to change, you've got to rearrange who you are and what you're going to be. Sh.

[Jillian Batavale]

Look at you. That's not the part. Family. That's the Brady Bunch.

[Patrick Hines]

That's the Brady Bunch. Cuz Peter's voice was changing, so his voice was cracking the whole time.

[Jillian Batavale]

I know that from the movie.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, really?

[Jillian Batavale]

From the Brady Bunch movie from the 90s. Like his voice was cracking the whole time. And then he has a really long.

[Patrick Hines]

That's what happened.

[Jillian Batavale]

And Davy Jones did a cameo. I've been trying to find the Davy Jones episode of the Brady Bunch forever and it's not online anymore.

[Patrick Hines]

When Mike Marshall was like the president of the fan club.

[Jillian Batavale]

Yeah. She like invites him to the dance or whatever and he comes, but he makes a cameo in the 90s movie.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh my God.

[Jillian Batavale]

The Brady Bunch movie. And The Brady Bunch 2 are very funny.

[Patrick Hines]

Very, very funny.

[Jillian Batavale]

They're very, very funny.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. Put on your Sunday best, kids. It's time to go to Sears.

[Jillian Batavale]

I don't know. George Glatz at our school. That's where she comes from.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, really?

[Jillian Batavale]

That's that gif of. Sure.

[Patrick Hines]

Jan from the movie. That's right. Yeah. Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

Anyway, where are the intruders at this point? Because Ted has passed out for a second time.

[Patrick Hines]

I know.

[Jillian Batavale]

The Green Beret nurse has passed out for a second time. The intruders did what? They ran off with nothing.

[Patrick Hines]

I know.

[Jillian Batavale]

They just left this guy and his poor nurse to die. And the Green Beret, they didn't like actually hurt the Green Beret. He just passed out for a second time and they just left.

[Patrick Hines]

Now we cut back into.

[Jillian Batavale]

This guy's a billionaire.

[Patrick Hines]

Billionaire.

[Jillian Batavale]

This is the richest.

[Patrick Hines]

I know.

[Jillian Batavale]

Have the most expensive estate on the planet. And they're like, oh, we're good.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, we cut back to his attorney, Michael. And Michael, the attorney literally says, if.

[Heidi (Ted's Wife)]

Your Client who's facing many years in prison, says that's his story. No matter how many times I would grill him on it, then I have to go with his story.

[Patrick Hines]

That was the story. So that's what I had to go with. Nobody believes this story.

[Jillian Batavale]

No. Well, Ted's wife Heidi has entered the chat.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Batavale]

She told the lawyer that Lily. Lily Safra's staff called her. The wife, Heidi.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Batavale]

And she was told that her husband passed out twice. He was badly injured. He doesn't know how to use the telephone or call 911 or emergency. She's very worried. And so Lily Safra, out of the goodness of her heart, flies Heidi and her brother over to Monaco because Ted has passed out.

[Patrick Hines]

Again, quote, out of the goodness of her heart because. So Heidi and her brother fly to Nice, which I guess is how you get to Monaco is, like, via niece. Lily sends a limo for them. And, like, rather than taking Heidi and the brother to the hospital to see.

[Jillian Batavale]

Her husband, which is where Heidi thinks.

[Patrick Hines]

She'S going, she is rerouted to the police department, where she is questioned extensively. Now, this is insane. She goes outside to take a break from her interrogation and is abducted by three men in black jumpsuits off the.

[Jillian Batavale]

Sidewalk, just like Ted. She's thrown into a van.

[Patrick Hines]

Did this happen?

[Jillian Batavale]

The safest place on earth is sounding pretty unsafe.

[Patrick Hines]

I know. So then they take her to a hotel room where we hear her telling this from, like, an interview from the past.

[Jillian Batavale]

She and her brother.

[Patrick Hines]

She and her brother, they take their passports away and hold them hostage in a hotel room for three days.

[Jillian Batavale]

Meanwhile, Ted's in the hospital. He comes to again.

[Patrick Hines]

Now, his story here is that they.

[Ted Mayer (Green Beret Nurse)]

Showed me a newspaper and said, you're responsible for this. Sign these documents. And I said, listen, I have not killed anybody and I'm not signing anything. This police officer said, you're going to sign this, otherwise your wife's not going to go back to your children. And they showed me my wife's passport.

[Patrick Hines]

If you don't sign this confession, which according to Ted, is written entirely in French, your wife is never getting home to your children.

[Jillian Batavale]

So the cops are the kidnappers.

[Patrick Hines]

Right? Right. Because, so Ted says, like, what would any man do? I signed the confession and that was.

[Jillian Batavale]

That, even though I had no idea what I was signing. And now what? This is a little confusing, but the statement that he signed is that, quote, confession about being the big hero.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Batavale]

And pretending to set the. And setting the fire so that Edmund would be like, wow, thanks for putting out the fire. You said Here's a billion dollars.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

That's. That's literally what this thinks that Ted signed is.

[Patrick Hines]

The thing is, I think this is true. Like, I think this is real. Well, you know what I mean. Like, we're gonna. There's so much to question in the end.

[Jillian Batavale]

A lot. Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And I'll come back later to why I think this is real. But as crazy as this sound, I think at least part of this story is true. Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

Because Ted. Nothing Ted is saying makes any sense, but he does say, why would I kill my golden goose?

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Batavale]

Like, he was making a ton of money living in the lap of luxury. It was the easiest gig ever. So. So he asks us, why would I kill him?

[Patrick Hines]

And we'll get more in that later. But I'll just say it now. Like, his wife is going to acknowledge down the road that Ted was always really worried about money. And the story is floated that Ted set the fire so he could actually save Safra. And Safra would be like, pay him back with cash or whatever. But, like, Ted makes a good point here. He really doesn't have a motive.

[Jillian Batavale]

This is one good point.

[Patrick Hines]

It's his one good point. Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

Now, but Lily, however, Edmund's wife, on the other hand, she got Edmund's entire fortune. And so the cops will like, well.

[Patrick Hines]

That'S $4 billion with a buh, buh.

[Jillian Batavale]

Buh, B. Yeah, that's a huge motive.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes. Yes.

[Jillian Batavale]

So, but the other thing is, like. Right, but he's dying anyway, right?

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

So then the other it's like, well.

[Patrick Hines]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Batavale]

So, Lily, let's talk about Lily. This was her fourth marriage.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Batavale]

And it's very hard to find information about her early life.

[Patrick Hines]

Isabel, the journalist from the New York Post. Which apparently they have journalists.

[Jillian Batavale]

Investigative journalists.

[Patrick Hines]

Investigative journalists. Or journalists of any kind, really. She. So Lily, like, we learned that Lily is from Brazil. And Isabel the journalist becomes so obsessed with the story, she fucking moves to Brazil to, like, investigate Lily's past.

[Jillian Batavale]

And so we learn that every time Lily gets. Gets married, the person is richer than the guy before.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Batavale]

And so everyone that Isabel from the New York Post comes in contact with about Lily, they are terrified of Lily because they're like, she's dangerous. She can do a lot of stuff. Like, no one really wants to speak out against her in any way.

[Patrick Hines]

And, like, even Isabel in Brazil, researching her, feels like she's being followed and that people are watching her apartment. Like, Lily is a scary lady.

[Jillian Batavale]

Totally. And what's interesting is that Lily's second.

[Isabel Vincent (Investigative Reporter)]

Husband, a couple years after they married, he died under rather strange circumstances. When I got the autopsy report, I found out he committed suicide by shooting himself. Twice.

[Jillian Batavale]

By shooting himself in the chest twice.

[Patrick Hines]

And the thing about this guy was that he was one of the richest men in Brazil. He owned this, like, chain of a hundred department stores. And when he died after shooting, shooting himself twice. Twice, she inherited all of his money. And he also changed his will to give her all of the money just weeks before he died.

[Jillian Batavale]

And that second husband's will, all the money was supposed to go to his mother and sister, who were the original shareholders in this zillion dollar company. Which makes sense.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Batavale]

Like, that's like. Oh, that is like, keep it in the family. The original shareholders. So then a couple weeks before his death, it just all goes to Lily.

[Patrick Hines]

And, like, same thing with her. What's his name? Edmund, the billionaire. Same thing. All of his billions was going to go to his two brothers, which were also his business partners. But a couple weeks before he died, he changed his will and gave it all to her. It makes her look like a good suspect.

[Jillian Batavale]

It does. Because it's not just that the brothers were, like, downgraded. They're not in the will at all.

[Patrick Hines]

They got cut out of the will.

[Jillian Batavale]

If it happens once, it's suspicious. Twice. Yes, super suspicious.

[Patrick Hines]

And also, we should say, the reason given for why her second husband, the department of store owner took his own life was because he found out that she was having an affair with Edmond.

[Jillian Batavale]

Right. It's all very convoluted, yes. $4.8 billion. That's a hell of a motive when.

[Patrick Hines]

You'Re dealing with tax money tax free. I don't know how they pay for roads or police or schools, but they do it somehow. Can you just enjoy the money? Can you just enjoy it?

[Jillian Batavale]

I'm starting to learn that the answer for these people is just no. Yeah. Because the thing is that $4.8 billion isn't even the main reason people suspect Lily. Yes, they suspect her because the night, or in addition to on the night.

[Isabel Vincent (Investigative Reporter)]

That Ed the bodyguards supposedly had the night off.

[Jillian Batavale]

Not one member of Safra's personal army was with him. The night of the fire, no one was with him except for the worst Green Beret on the planet.

[Patrick Hines]

It doesn't make any sense.

[Jillian Batavale]

And the shit, the. The bulletproof shutters were just open.

[Patrick Hines]

Like. Then I'm thinking, was Lily trying to cut corners? Was she trying to save some cash? Like, what was the why?

[Jillian Batavale]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

Unless. And given the night off by Lily, we should say so. Like, I don't know. She looks like a good suspect to me.

[Jillian Batavale]

And also Mr. X is like, yeah, and then she fucking fired. Like, she fired his head of security weeks before this too, and hired some Samuel Cohen guy.

[Patrick Hines]

Because what was going on was like, Lily was cutting down on the security personnel. Mr. X was the head of security. And so Edmund, the husband, secretly said to him, do what you have to do, Just don't tell her about it. But of course she finds out. So she fires Mr. X and hires her own guy, who's a fucking moron, by the way. But also, it's just like, Edmund, you know, we're all in partnerships where we don't always agree on how to spend the money. But when you're the breadwinner and it's your billions of dollars and your life on the line, I think it's okay to say to your wife, I'm going to overrule you here and keep my security details.

[Jillian Batavale]

Sure.

[Patrick Hines]

You know what I mean.

[Jillian Batavale]

I have to wonder if his illness and all the medications were having playing a role in this, that maybe he wasn't fully aware of what was going on. He was older, he was in very poor health. And we hear that these medicines were really like, messing with him mentally. So who knows?

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, well, but then it also cuts back to Lady C, My favorite grumps. And she says, lily's hand is Evident throughout. Now, remember, Lady C is privy to, like, privileged information.

[Jillian Batavale]

She's writing the book on this.

[Patrick Hines]

She's writing the book because she's getting all the information from the brothers. Now, of course, the brothers are going to try to make it look like Lily's responsible because, like, they got fucked by Lily.

[Jillian Batavale]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

But she says also that Monica was quite determined to blame the nurse. That is going to turn out to be true. Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

So meanwhile, Ted is on trial for the murder. His legal team is in peril.

[Patrick Hines]

They totally disagree because his Monaco lawyers don't believe him. They're like, his American lawyer is like.

[Heidi (Ted's Wife)]

They wanted Ted to stick to the confession.

[Ted Mayer (Green Beret Nurse)]

The Monaco attorneys said, you can't go back on this now because it would show that you're lying. And, like, what do you mean I'm lying?

[Heidi (Ted's Wife)]

I said, hey, wait a minute, Ted, your wife was abducted to force you to make this confession. Let's go that route.

[Patrick Hines]

Renege on that confession that you signed because you're saying you didn't do it. His Monaco lawyers to us are like, bitch, we know he did it.

[Jillian Batavale]

Yeah, you got to stick to the.

[Patrick Hines]

Confession to stick to the confession. No one's going to believe you otherwise. They don't believe that there were ever any intruders. So the lawyers are fighting.

[Jillian Batavale]

And so Ted ends up going with the Monaco lawyers. He's sticking with this confession that today he says he never made, but he didn't know what he was signing. But for the sake of the trial.

[Patrick Hines]

And it's a wise decision, I think, because if he were to take back the confession and get convicted of this, he's looking at life in prison versus a much reduced sentence if he goes into court having admitted what he did.

[Jillian Batavale]

Right. That it was a mistake, it was an accident. He didn't mean to. And we'll learn other things about this that if that were true, there are many other people at fault here.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

So the trial is a circus, Right? He's charged with arson resulting in two deaths.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Batavale]

And the prosecution's like, look, Ted was broke. He needed money. He came up with this plan for the reward money that Ted was sure he'd get. But we don't have any evidence. We don't know anything about any conversations or. Edmund was like, if you ever save me from a fire, you get 2 billion. I know.

[Patrick Hines]

And it's also like, how can you be broke when you're making $10,000 a month?

[Jillian Batavale]

Well, Sonia is the head nurse. She's the key witness for the prosecution. And she's like, ted Was a fucking complaint. Complaining drip from day one.

[Patrick Hines]

Now, look, I'm gonna defend Ted a little bit here because Sonya's saying he was always mad that I wasn't giving him enough shifts. Now, look, we were told in no uncertain terms, Ted was a family man. He loved his kids. He loved being around his kids. If you are now overseas before your family gets there and your sole purpose is just to work and send money home and you're not getting enough shifts, I understand that.

[Jillian Batavale]

Right. You know, but Ted, from his own mouth, said this was a golden goose. I was making a ton of money in. In the lap of luxury. Why would I kill this guy?

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, but, like, Sonia's also going to be described by a bunch as, like, not a reliable narrator because, like, she was convinced that Ted wanted her.

[Jillian Batavale]

There's not a single reliable narrator here.

[Patrick Hines]

One.

[Jillian Batavale]

Not even the filmmaker.

[Patrick Hines]

That's kind of why I love it. I kind of believe Lady C. Sure. You know what I mean?

[Jillian Batavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

She could be grumpy as she, you.

[Jillian Batavale]

Know, she doesn't give a fuck.

[Patrick Hines]

I would still do tea with her, even if she yelled at me the whole time.

[Jillian Batavale]

She would yell? You?

[Patrick Hines]

Yes, she would. She would hate having to do it. Whatever charity thinks she donated that your.

[Jillian Batavale]

Spoon was making and the teacup, she would be like, can you keep it down?

[Patrick Hines]

Who's this gay boy with that loud voice?

[Jillian Batavale]

She's like, I only have an hour. So Sonia's version. Sonia, the head nurse, her version of the night of the murders is that she had the day shift and then she was passing the torch to Ted and Vivian.

[Patrick Hines]

Now, remember, Ted says he wasn't even scheduled that night, but somehow mysteriously got called in. Sonia's like, he was absolutely on the schedule.

[Jillian Batavale]

Right. But Ted was a nervous wreck. I noticed that Ted was kind of.

[Isabel Vincent (Investigative Reporter)]

Frantic and couldn't wait for us to get out of the penthouse. There was something not quite right.

[Jillian Batavale]

He couldn't wait for Sonia to get the hell out of there. And she goes, there was something not quite right. Now, this is where we learned that Sonia and Ted, they say it, everyone around them, they didn't like each other.

[Patrick Hines]

They didn't like each other.

[Jillian Batavale]

And that would. They are both admitting it. They just didn't. And there was tension. And Sonja is convinced that Ted was gunning for her job. And he was, like, trying to make her look bad in front of Edmund. And then Ted, of course, always the victim. Like, I don't know. I didn't do anything.

[Patrick Hines]

And we get this story that, like, Lily, the wife, goes in to say goodnight to her husband. And Ted is heard saying to him, you're gonna sleep well tonight, Mr. Safra. And I was like, but who'd you get that story from, Lily? The only other suspect in this murder other than the Russian mafia.

[Jillian Batavale]

I don't believe a single thing anybody says.

[Patrick Hines]

No.

[Jillian Batavale]

And the way the story is being told in the documentary is hard for me. I don't know if it's my own, like, ADHD weirdness, but, like, the storytelling is killing me in that.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, that's. I liked it.

[Jillian Batavale]

I'm finding it. Like nothing makes sense. I don't trust anybody.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, I get that.

[Jillian Batavale]

So I'm feeling scattered in a way that I don't think was the intention.

[Patrick Hines]

Uh huh.

[Jillian Batavale]

To make me feel that way.

[Patrick Hines]

No, I get it. I see that.

[Jillian Batavale]

So anyway, the security cameras. Right. Every inch of that place was in view of the cameras, but there's no footage. And. Or the footage was destroyed and. Or it's been erased.

[Patrick Hines]

Because Sonya describes that, like one night a week before, walking into the nurse's station, seeing Ted, like, on a chair, fiddling with something in the ceiling. That turned out, according to Sonya, to be the security footage wires. And then we learned that Ted used to work in the CCTV section of a casino, so, like, he would know how to break the camera so they wouldn't work.

[Jillian Batavale]

So much fun. Free time as a Green Beret. Like so many side hustles. Truly doing security in Vegas too.

[Patrick Hines]

I know, wow.

[Jillian Batavale]

And neonatal nurse.

[Isabel Vincent (Investigative Reporter)]

And wow.

[Jillian Batavale]

Just amazing. So the defense is like, okay, fine.

[Heidi (Ted's Wife)]

But Ted never thought any of this could happen. He thought as soon as that smoke detector went off, that the police would get here in 10 or 15 minutes. And they did. And guess what? It took him another two and a half hours.

[Jillian Batavale]

We would prove the police created the time frame for Mr. Safra and Vivian.

[Patrick Hines]

Durant to be dead.

[Jillian Batavale]

This is the fault of the cops and the fire department. And let me tell you, it is it 100%. They are absolutely culpable on this.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. So this is wild. This is, in my opinion, like the thing that nobody planned for.

[Jillian Batavale]

So, like, this made me very anxious.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, me too. And we're gonna get into the timeline of this in just a minute. Minute. But like, with all of the security preparations around him at all times, this was the part of the plan that nobody planned for.

[Jillian Batavale]

Right. We will break this down. But they tell us it took the first responders.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Batavale]

Three hours to get into a penthouse that is on fire.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Batavale]

That is some where. I was like, oh, New fear unlocked. Like this is absolutely horrifying.

[Patrick Hines]

It really a lot of it has to do with, well, so here we go. So the timeline starts 4:49am the fire alarm sounds. Cuz Ted is like lit the trash can on fire as the genius Green Beret move. That I think is like you learn on day one, you set a trash can on fire, put it under the smoke alarm. If you need the cops, they're elite. The word is they're elite. Exactly. So that happens at 4:49am, 4:53am, the concierge in the lobby sees Ted holding his abdomen with both hands. Remember, Ted has gone into the elevator and gone down to the lobby passed out. The concierge sees him, thinks that Ted.

[Jillian Batavale]

Has been shot, writes it in his notebook. Man injured by gunshot. We're taking notes, but like nobody calls.

[Patrick Hines]

The cops at this point.

[Jillian Batavale]

Does anyone know how to call for an emergency in Monaco?

[Patrick Hines]

I know.

[Jillian Batavale]

We're taking notes in our notebook.

[Patrick Hines]

I know.

[Jillian Batavale]

Injured by gunshot.

[Patrick Hines]

Now we also learn Here there were.

[Isabel Vincent (Investigative Reporter)]

23 levels of underground parking. The police had to clear the entire building before letting the firemen inside.

[Patrick Hines]

Because the police have been told there's an intruder. They have to clear all 23 levels of the parking garage before they're allowed to go into the penthouse looking for the.

[Jillian Batavale]

The shooter.

[Patrick Hines]

This makes no sense.

[Jillian Batavale]

I'm like, they don't have to. They're choosing to do that. That this is totally backwards.

[Patrick Hines]

The place is on fire. The guy is in the panic room. Like everyone is about to die.

[Jillian Batavale]

So this takes three hours. Now it is kind of unclear if the cops knew about the fire and still wasted all this time. Because that is hard.

[Patrick Hines]

Who.

[Jillian Batavale]

How can you possibly.

[Patrick Hines]

They didn't know because Sonya is saying, Vivian, the nurse who's in the panic room with Safra is calling Sonia. Sonya's on the scene, she's saying, sonya, we're dying. Sonia's like, they're here. They won't go in until they clear the fucking parking garage. This is one of the richest men in the world. He's got a security team of 800 people and nobody ever thought to think, if something goes wrong, are they going to have to clear the parking garage before they go into the building? Can you imagine that?

[Jillian Batavale]

That is something that is going to unexpectedly stick with me for the rest of my life knowing that Vivian, who's a nurse, just trying to do totally fucking innocent here. Not in bed with Russian ultra oligarchs. Like just trying to be a good person.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes, I know. And begging for her Life.

[Jillian Batavale]

And she knows the fires get an. Hours and hours are going by now.

[Patrick Hines]

What is crazy is like, it's not like they're trapped in that panic room, but the protocol is they think that there are intruders still in the building and they can't come out until his personal security says it's okay. But I just want to remind people, like, they are kind of in there by choice, you know what I mean?

[Jillian Batavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And I'm not, I'm not blaming the victims in any way.

[Jillian Batavale]

We'll get into the details of that in a minute.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

So by 5:20am, Sam, the new head of security, arrives. So the alarm went off at 4:49am So 30 minutes later.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. And like to this guy's credit, he's screaming at everybody like, the penthouse is on fire. Go in and save them. And when they, when they won't, they.

[Heidi (Ted's Wife)]

Tackled him, handcuffed him and said, you can't go up.

[Patrick Hines]

Upstairs, I'm sitting on the floor handcuffed, and they fucking arrest him.

[Jillian Batavale]

He makes it to the fifth floor and they tackle him.

[Patrick Hines]

They put him in handcuffs. This makes no sense.

[Jillian Batavale]

6:15Am, it's been an hour and a half. It's, quote, the first attempt to put out the fire. It is chaos and horror until 7:45 in the morning when the bodies are, quote, finally discovered. Because they let them fucking burn.

[Patrick Hines]

They let them burn.

[Jillian Batavale]

That is, I mean, they should all be fired. They should. We have to start over for like.

[Patrick Hines]

The Most, most elite 1 square mile country in the world, full of the world's billionaires. How is there this level of incompetence? I really don't understand that.

[Jillian Batavale]

And Isabel from the New York Times is like, well, did they do this on purpose? And it's so bad. Like, it's so bad that if they did it on purpose, you'd almost think that they'd be more subtle.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

Like it was so bad that it almost can't be on purpose. Almost in some weird.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm sure there's stuff that is left out of this, but three hours to know that that man and that woman are in that panic room waiting for, for them. It makes no sense.

[Jillian Batavale]

And. Which will lead you to be a little bit like conspiracy thinking. Well, wait a second.

[Patrick Hines]

Right?

[Jillian Batavale]

How. Why don't they just. I thought billionaires, like, there are no rules for them, just fucking run upstairs and save them.

[Patrick Hines]

And what I want to say here is that even if Ted is guilty of this and he did light that fire, I mean, it's his fault because he lit the fire. But, like, they could. They should. There's plenty of time to save them.

[Jillian Batavale]

100%, you know, that's why the defense kind of has a leg to stand on here, because they're saying so many other things went wrong. No security on board that night. They were all sent home. No CCTV footage, a useless Green Beret, useless cops, useless fire department.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Batavale]

And now we get Lily's side of the story on the stand.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. And, like, the whole thing here, because we cut back to Lady C, and she's saying, remember, she's getting inside information from Joseph, who is Edmund's brother. And, like, they fully believe that Lily had their brother killed. And, like, what we learn here is that, like, it was Lily who kept him in the panic room.

[Jillian Batavale]

Well, her side of the story is she's in her bedroom. They have separate bedrooms. It was my husband. And he said, sherry, there are aggressors in the house. They have injured Ted. May, close yourself in and call the police. Suddenly, all the blinds opened up by themselves, but only to the level of the railing.

[Isabel Vincent (Investigative Reporter)]

I didn't know how I got out, but I did.

[Jillian Batavale]

She is awakened by a phone call, and it's Edmond saying, oh, my God, the intruder. Intruders are here. Ted is hurt. Hide and call the police. And then suddenly, according to Lily, all of the bulletproof blinds open by themselves. They have a mind of their own. And so Lily is able to escape. She doesn't get Edmund. She doesn't look for anyone. She just. Oh, my God. This act of God, I can't believe it. They have a mind of their own.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Batavale]

Up they go. And she bails.

[Patrick Hines]

And she bails. But I guess she's on the. I don't really understand the timeline here, but, like.

[Jillian Batavale]

Because none of this happened.

[Patrick Hines]

But we learned that there's a code between Edmund and Lily. Edmund is still in the safe room, I guess, talking on the phone to her or whatever, and she's telling him to come out. But we learned that the code. When she says come out, it means don't come out.

[Jillian Batavale]

So Lady C explains it. I watched it three times because I wanted to be clear. Dear listener, it's going to sound like we're saying it wrong.

[Patrick Hines]

Exactly.

[Jillian Batavale]

We are not.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

The code was that if Lily told Edmund to come out of the room, that meant to not come out of the room.

[Patrick Hines]

Because the theory is she would tell him to come out and maybe find her at gunpoint of something.

[Jillian Batavale]

Somebody else who would agree to that. This makes no sense at all. Like, there's too much room for error. Guess what? We're living it. I know you have to have a different. Then you work the word pineapple into a sentence or something. It doesn't make any sense.

[Patrick Hines]

I also think too that like when you have 25 fucking bodyguards and you're the 200 richest person on earth, you never think it's going to come to this.

[Jillian Batavale]

Well, this is what you get if you hire everybody through word of mouth and you don't vet everyone.

[Patrick Hines]

Literally. Have we talked about zip recruiter, like hire yourself a Green Beret within a day.

[Jillian Batavale]

The worst Green Beret nurse of all time. And it's like, well, maybe if you don't vet anyone, then you have like bulletproof shades that just work.

[Patrick Hines]

I know.

[Jillian Batavale]

For no reason and pull themselves up so your wife can escape unscathed.

[Patrick Hines]

It feels like what also went wrong here was they were over prepared. You know what I mean? In what way? Like, there were too many cooks in the kitchen. There were too many people with competing ideas of what to do. Too many different people trying to be the number one to Mr. Like, if he had a small security detail, this never would have happened.

[Jillian Batavale]

It just isn't unbelievable to me that Ted knew not knowing. Like, even if Ted knew where the emergency alert thing was, it wouldn't have mattered because these assholes took three hours to get to the top of a burning building.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, and, and that if, if, if what they're saying is true, that Ted did light this fire, but had no intention of killing him, nobody ever would have known that. The fucking Monaco protocol is clear. All 22 levels of the parking garage. Like, that is crazy.

[Jillian Batavale]

And waste three hours and then it makes people think, well, why would you. You do that? Like how inside of an inside job is this?

[Patrick Hines]

Yes. Yes.

[Jillian Batavale]

So Ted is convicted.

[Patrick Hines]

An American man has been sentenced to 10 years in prison in what's being called Monaco's trial of the century.

[Ted Mayer (Green Beret Nurse)]

They condemned me for 10 years for something that I didn't do.

[Jillian Batavale]

He gets 10 years. Lily, on the other hand, gets more than 3 billion with a B Dollars.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

So now we meet Luigi the cellmate.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, my God.

[Jillian Batavale]

Luigi only speaks Italian. He wants us to know that his motto is that he used to rob the rich and give to the poor guy. Not poor people, General. One poor guy.

[Isabel Vincent (Investigative Reporter)]

Him.

[Patrick Hines]

This poor guy.

[Jillian Batavale]

Luigi.

[Patrick Hines]

Luigi the poor guy.

[Jillian Batavale]

Luigi wants to have some fun today.

[Patrick Hines]

But he's. He's Ted's cellmate. Right? And you know, we also learned about how cushy the prison in Monaco is.

[Jillian Batavale]

It's described as a five star luxury hotel. Amazing views, food spectacular.

[Patrick Hines]

Unbelievable. Put me in that prison any day.

[Jillian Batavale]

But it wasn't going to last forever.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

So Ted is going to stay there for three months and then he tells us that he's going to get transferred. This is all Ted's words. I'm just going to repeat what he said, that he's going to get transferred to a French prison which is 80% Muslim. And this is when, quote, George W. Bush is playing cowboy in the Middle East. So this was a death sentence to Ted.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. And so he's decided he's got to break out of prison before he gets sent to that prison in France. So he hatches a plan to escape and enlist Luigi.

[Jillian Batavale]

Right. Because Luigi's the only bad enough guy who wouldn't rat him out.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. And they. They call their mission Monaco. Fuck you. Like, these are such a bunch of dumb idiots. Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

So this is where, though Ted and Luigi have totally different stories.

[Patrick Hines]

100%.

[Jillian Batavale]

So both of them are the cool hero in their version.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Batavale]

But Luigi. Luigi says Ted's obsession with being the main character is baffling. I want you to take that with you throughout the rest of this episode.

[Patrick Hines]

I just want to say that made me believe Luigi. You know what I mean? I totally believe Luigi in this.

[Jillian Batavale]

I do. I do, too.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, for sure.

[Jillian Batavale]

So they start arguing, like via interview, about who did what, who smuggled in the blades, who distracted.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, it's kind of important to say that Ted's story is that in my.

[Ted Mayer (Green Beret Nurse)]

Cell there was a window and it had a beautiful view of the Mediterranean, but it was through eight levels of bars. So I got my sister to send me four hacksaw blades in a small book, which was hand carried in my Father Peter Ball, who I knew had a pacemaker and he wouldn't be going through a metal detector.

[Patrick Hines]

He got his sister to send him four hacksaw blades in a small book, which was hand carried in by Father Peter Ball, his personal priest. So the priest smuggles in the saw blades. Remember that because Father Ball is going to do something else in a minute. That if they. This part is true. It's surprising.

[Jillian Batavale]

Yeah. Here's what they agree on, though, these two, that the bars were whittled down. They covered the holes with glue and cigarette ash to make it look like there weren't holes.

[Patrick Hines]

Very Green Beret. Very Green Beret.

[Jillian Batavale]

It took five and a half weeks, but they did it. And the guards are too busy watching soccer, so they made their escape.

[Patrick Hines]

My favorite part here is that when it's time for them to bust out the windows. Luigi wants to go first because according to Luigi, Ted's ass is too big, right? And he knew he was going to get stuck. And you know what? Luigi was right.

[Jillian Batavale]

He shoved Ted out of the way. He's like, bye.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, bye. Ted got stuck because of his big.

[Jillian Batavale]

Butt, Luigi runs back home to Italy.

[Patrick Hines]

So, like, Ted is out.

[Jillian Batavale]

This is a very interesting part of the story.

[Patrick Hines]

It's not. Or it is.

[Jillian Batavale]

It is. It's just like. If you have been paying attention. Don't worry, I'll tell you the details. Yeah, but he escapes.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Batavale]

And we're told that there's no, like, jumpsuit, you know, like, we have, like, the orange or the white jumpsuits or whatever.

[Patrick Hines]

They're wearing, like, regular. They're wearing TCO merch.

[Jillian Batavale]

So he's. He can, like, slip into the crowd very easily. After he escapes and it's raining, he's walking 25 miles uphill both ways, I bet.

[Patrick Hines]

But as a Green Beret, that's nothing.

[Jillian Batavale]

No, but he's asking people. He's, like, talking to people in French. He's like, I'm ask for help. I'm lying to them, telling them my car broke down. I'm like, that's super interesting, because you couldn't speak French earlier when you signed that fucking confession that you were forced to sign, right? Now he's able to come up with stories and lies.

[Patrick Hines]

You love this documentary. Like, you love it. I know, I know, I know.

[Jillian Batavale]

Like, that's interesting to me.

[Patrick Hines]

So he gets to a hotel, he uses a phone to call his sister, gets her credit card number, then calls his priest, the guy that sent him the fucking hacksaw blades, asks this guy for money. Then he calls his wife. Now, this is my favorite. This is where I've got questions about Heidi, because Heidi is, all throughout the documentary up to now, very much. I love my husband. I want him home. He's an innocent man.

[Jillian Batavale]

She's not here, by the way.

[Patrick Hines]

She's not here. Heidi has a very complicated character, and she's been through it in this thing. I'm Team Heidi, 100%. But he calls his wife and he.

[Jillian Batavale]

Said, it's me, Ted. And he just kept talking. I couldn't even speak. He said, I'm out. And I said, you're what?

[Ted Mayer (Green Beret Nurse)]

He said, I'm out before I could go any further. Oh, my God, you're a fugitive. I'm not speaking to you. I'm gonna get in trouble, too. Again, I have nothing to say to you. And she hung up the phone.

[Patrick Hines]

You're like a fucking fugitive. I can't talk to you. And she hangs up on him.

[Jillian Batavale]

She rats him out.

[Patrick Hines]

Now, if I thought Steve was wrongfully convicted and he broke out of prison and he called me, I would be. I know I always say I would turn anybody in if I thought they did it. If I thought they. They didn't do it, I would 100% help. The only thing I'm thinking about the wife turning him in is that, like, if she does get in trouble, then she goes to prison, and now the kids are all fudged.

[Jillian Batavale]

Well, this is where I think she takes an opportunity, because Ted calls his wife.

[Patrick Hines]

And that's what I'm saying, to be serious. Like, I have a lot of questions about their marriage that I didn't have up to this point.

[Jillian Batavale]

There's a lot more there because she calls his lawyer, who calls the prison. Right. Ted is caught by police, thanks to his wife.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

She is on the news saying, these are quotes. And this is what I'm like, there's a lot more here. She says, I was scared to death to have him at home. I know the kids need their dad, but I don't think it's healthy to have Ted in their life. I don't need him, and I don't want him.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

There's a lot that led us here that we're learning about.

[Patrick Hines]

When she said I was scared to have him here, I was like, wait a second. Like. Like 15 minutes ago in this documentary, she's sobbing, my husband is innocent.

[Jillian Batavale]

Yeah. So something happened.

[Patrick Hines]

Something happened. I think that this part of the documentary tells me the most about Ted that I think we learn. At any point, I have to wonder.

[Jillian Batavale]

What happened before he left for Mon. What was the relationship like? What made it so easy for her to say, nope, go.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

You know, instead of like, this perfect or not per just like partner that you had, that you loved and cared about and believed and something tragic happened. It's interesting, her switch. So it makes me think there's a lot of history.

[Patrick Hines]

And I think, too, that him breaking out of jail and her knowing he's going to get caught and how much worse this is going to make it for everybody also adds to her being like, what the hell?

[Jillian Batavale]

Right now? Ted and his lawyer tell us.

[Heidi (Ted's Wife)]

Remember I mentioned previously that the wife was abducted by Lily Safra's chauffeur? We brought a lawsuit against Lily Safra on behalf of Heidi for the abduction. Before the court appearance in New York, Heidi called Me and said, I want to drop everything.

[Jillian Batavale]

Two days before the trial, she drops all of the charges. And there's this story that, like, Ted's lawyer doesn't want to be on camera saying it, but he's like, oh, Lily totally paid off Heidi with this weird fake real estate deal.

[Patrick Hines]

Now, my question here is, like, if this is true, isn't this just called settling a case? This lady is trying to sue you, and you're just going to give her money. That's called settling a kit. Why is everybody afraid to talk about this?

[Jillian Batavale]

I don't know.

[Patrick Hines]

And Ted says he learned later because his wife quickly divorces him, and he finds out later that she bought a $300,000 home in cash like, a month later.

[Jillian Batavale]

So the question is, like, did Lily buy this house?

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

And it's not a bribe. It's just like, oh, for all of the horrible things that you just went through, like, out of the goodness of my heart, here's a house, right?

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. I mean, in any. In any event, like, it all went away.

[Jillian Batavale]

It all went away.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

So Ted is now in prison. He's on trial for the escape. He only gets nine additional months on top of his original.

[Patrick Hines]

They're real lenient over there.

[Jillian Batavale]

I mean.

[Patrick Hines]

You know what I mean?

[Jillian Batavale]

Well, we'll learn why later.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

So a few years go by, and a judge involved in the original case with Edmund Sampa and the fire.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

Comes out and says, oh, the whole.

[Ted Mayer (Green Beret Nurse)]

Trial was prearranged before he even set foot in the courtroom.

[Heidi (Ted's Wife)]

The judge had decided to find him guilty from the very outset.

[Patrick Hines]

The judge is saying, we went into this trial knowing that he was gonna be convicted. But, like, so then what are they. What is this judge saying happened? Is he saying that, like, this whole thing was made up? None of it. Ted really had no part in any of this.

[Jillian Batavale]

And what does it mean that he's saying this? It's just like, okay, so nothing changes. No one's held accountable. Because we're told that this happens all the time in Monaco. That's what they say, that Monaco wants to stay a safe haven for billionaires. They want to Prot Putin and the Russians. So when a billionaire is murdered, they kind of make it go away somehow so that billionaires feel safe being there. Like, who gives a fuck about these billionaires?

[Patrick Hines]

I know, I know.

[Jillian Batavale]

I'm just so, like, tired of this. Like, what is that? Like, where is this going?

[Patrick Hines]

Well, and so, like, in the. In what was originally going to be the end of this documentary, we're sitting With Ted, he denies having anything to do with it. He said he did his 10 years, he did his time, but he didn't. But he didn't do this.

[Jillian Batavale]

And so, like, then we get just. They drop this in that, like, was Lily working with the Russians to kill her husband because she was going to sell the most expensive estate on the face of the earth?

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Batavale]

To this powerful Russian guy. He puts $50 million down on the contract.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Batavale]

Then the deal suddenly falls apart. Which. Deals fall apart all the time. Whatever. But Lily's like, too bad. I'm keeping the down payment anyway. Which was $50 million. So the question is, like, this guy just walked away from this insane deal. Was that a payoff? Was that a way to transfer money somehow? That didn't look like a payoff.

[Patrick Hines]

So, like, we're kind of left at what would be the end. Being, like, we don't really know what happened.

[Jillian Batavale]

And it says the end. And I'm like. Like, there's 15 minutes left, right? So then we're back, like, here we go again. And this is why I'm like, I fucking hate this thing. So.

[Patrick Hines]

But see, this is why I kind of love it. Because this is where all of a sudden, the director says, this is where the story was supposed to end. But shortly after this interview, something interesting happened. Ted went missing for months. Now, remember, Ted has long served his time. He's back. He's. We learn he's changed his name legally to John Green. He's been living back in the United.

[Jillian Batavale]

States, but he is calling the director, right? So, like, Ted is on the run again. He's the victim again. He's the SC Scapegoat again. It's all a setup again.

[Patrick Hines]

But, like, it's kind of crazy that he's been living over here under a different name, keeping his nose clean. And all of a sudden, hey, I'm.

[Ted Mayer (Green Beret Nurse)]

Trying to figure out some charges that.

[Patrick Hines]

Were brought against somebody.

[Jillian Batavale]

Trying to see what the charges are.

[Patrick Hines]

John Green, you have burglary, larceny, forgery, fraud. Oh, boy. He's being charged with burglary, larceny, forgery, and fraud. And he's accused of forging his estranged wife's check. Now we get this insane C TV footage of him in a bank where some cop, like, shows up and catches him. And we hear Ted saying, and you'll never believe what happened. He shot me with a Taser. And then it cuts to the parking lot footage of Ted taking off in his car, basically running into a tree. But he gets away, and he's on.

[Jillian Batavale]

The run, and he's on the phone with the director, ranting and raving like a lunatic.

[Patrick Hines]

He's. Now he's on the run for so long, he's calling the director weekly, being like.

[Jillian Batavale]

Like, the cops can't find this guy.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. Like, you're the only one I can trust. You're the only person I can talk to.

[Jillian Batavale]

So he's finally arrested, and the cops say that, oh, on top of all of that, he tried to hire a fellow inmate to kill his wife. It's not Heidi, Right? This is a woman named Kim Lark. Kim is okay.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

The story's insane. He dognapped her three dogs. All the dogs are fine. But, like, if you look up this story, Kim's like, he was a terrifying nightmare. Like, he's a violent, erratic person.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes. And you can tell that throughout this thing, he's unhinged.

[Jillian Batavale]

He's like, not okay. So the director only now thinks to maybe verify all of Ted's insane fucking stories that never added up from the beginning. I know, like, none of them are true.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, so the director's like, I wanted to believe his story, but I Now he's questioning the most basic detail. So he looks into whether or not this guy was a Green Beret. And he gets a guy who works for an organization called Guardians of the Green Berets. And there's so much stolen valor out there that these organizations exist that, like, this is how you can verify if somebody actually was a Green Beret or not.

[Heidi (Ted's Wife)]

There is no way, way that he completed the Special Forces medical course, nor.

[Patrick Hines]

Was a Green Beret. And those stories being a Green Beret are untrue. Ted. Absolutely was not.

[Jillian Batavale]

I went to high school with someone who was pretending he was a Green Beret.

[Patrick Hines]

That is really crazy.

[Jillian Batavale]

Yeah. He was a senior.

[Patrick Hines]

It is. I mean, like, I have so much family that was in the military. It boils my blood.

[Jillian Batavale]

Yeah. But, like, he. Of course he wasn't. And I'm sorry. Sitting here thinking, am I crazy? Like, is it not your responsibility as a documentarian to confirm shit that sounds outlandish?

[Patrick Hines]

I mean, maybe it is, but I feel like it never happens.

[Jillian Batavale]

It never happens. And I get that. But, like, if this last 15 minutes didn't happen, he just would have, like, let Ted present himself.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

In this way. With no fact checking whatsoever.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, let's get to the end because I have questions for you.

[Jillian Batavale]

Okay? Okay. Okay. So also, his new name is John Green. He's obsessed with Green Berets. Green.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, you're right.

[Jillian Batavale]

That has to be connected. Right.

[Patrick Hines]

But this is where we start, like, is Isabelle is like. This is where you start to, like, question everything. Like, the mysterious people kidnapping him. Were there intruders? We learned that Ted. The confession that Ted signed was not in French. When he signed it, it was translated into English. He knew what he was signing. Now, I'm going to give Ted a little bit of room here, though, because to go, this is what I was saying when we were. Were talking about the wife being kidnapped and the. And the taking of her passport. We have this judge that came out and said, we went into this thing, we were going to convict him one way. Like, we knew what was going to happen. So, like, Ted signing that confession, he was coerced into signing that confession.

[Jillian Batavale]

Look, this happens all the time. And I'm not going to sit here and be like, you shouldn't sign that. I don't know what anyone would do if the same guys who kidnapped you are also the cops and they have pictures of your family saying, if you don't sign this, I'm going to kill them. Yeah. What would you do for your family? Of course I understand that. But, like, then just say that and say it was in English. Why are you lying about not speaking French and then speaking French? Like, exactly. The lies are endless, and they're compulsive.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes, I absolutely agree.

[Jillian Batavale]

So John Green, Ted. Yes. Is found guilty. Guilty of hiring a hitman to kill his wife, Kim.

[Patrick Hines]

It's so crazy. He gets 10 years, you know? And, like, in the end, like, the. The. The director is saying, like, because the story that Ted is telling, there were intruders. He set the fire to save Edmund, and that ended up killing him. Like, are you telling the truth about that?

[Jillian Batavale]

Because now, just to be clear, it's been three years since the interview. From the first hour and a half of this thing.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

So the filmmaker interviews him in prison now.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Batavale]

And three years have gone by. So the director is like, look, yeah, it's been three years. You're in for this insane thing. You were on the run. Like, you're kind of unhinged, Right? Can you just level with me?

[Patrick Hines]

Right? Because back in Monaco, he was blamed for, like, lying about the intruders, starting the fire on purpose to win Edmond's trust and get some money. Right? And he's like, were you lying to me then? And he's like, no, I was absolutely not lying to you then. I believe the Russian. This was the Russians, probably helped by Lily, you know? And are you lying to me now? I'm going to ask you again, are you a liar?

[Ted Mayer (Green Beret Nurse)]

No. Absolutely not.

[Patrick Hines]

Have you been truthful to me?

[Ted Mayer (Green Beret Nurse)]

Yes. Everybody in this room, you know, you can look in my eyes and see if I'm telling the truth. There's no reason to lie. It's done.

[Patrick Hines]

He just will not take accountability for anything.

[Jillian Batavale]

He's just rambling on and on. It's very tedious. And it's like, why did you. What did you think was going to happen sitting here with this guy? So we get like a ton of on screen text. So Bill, the finance guy, has been the target of multiple Russian assassination attempts and he still travels with bodyguards.

[Patrick Hines]

Unbelievable.

[Jillian Batavale]

Which sort of leans to like, you know, Edmund did have a target on his back.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes. I mean, how bother to travel with bodyguards?

[Jillian Batavale]

Like, you know, 25 of them. That would stress me out.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

Isabel Vincent, the reporter from the New York Post, released her book and was sued by the Safra family. The book was banned in Lily Safra's home country of Brazil. So Lily has a lot of pull. Wild Lady C was sued by Lily?

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Batavale]

Her book was pulped. It was later released, but with many redactions. Lily Safra doesn't want information out there and she's doing anything she can and she has the money to do it.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Batavale]

Michael, the American lawyer for Ted.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

He did a mock trial of the Monaco case and the day of the event, it was shut down. By who?

[Patrick Hines]

By Lilly's lawyers. Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

Heidi, his wife, who was like, I don't need him anymore. My sons are better off.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

Didn't respond to requests for comment. Good for her.

[Patrick Hines]

Listen, we learned that Lily safra died in 2022. At the time of her death, she was worth $1.2 billion. That means she spent almost $2 billion in like the last 15 years of her life.

[Jillian Batavale]

I was going to say 1.3 billion. It's an ungodly amount of money, but she, she lost about half of it. It's bad business.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Batavale]

Or was she paying everybody off to keep their mouth shut? I don't know.

[Patrick Hines]

Or was she just like shopping at Chanel, like, you know.

[Jillian Batavale]

So Ted, aka John Green, was sentenced to nine years in prison. He's expected to get out in 2031. I don't. Look, there are a lot of unreliable narrators here.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

I feel like if the Russian mob were involved, they'd do a much better job.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm you. I'm the outcomes razor girly. I think that he lit the fire. I think that he thought that he would like it would be a Quick in and out. Like, he. He disconnected the cctv, nobody would see him. Like the fire, there were no intruders. He stabbed himself. Yeah, he thought, like, Stafford would be in the safe room for 15 minutes, he would save the day.

[Jillian Batavale]

But, like, I. I agree. All that. In addition, like, why was the will changed before the murders? Why wasn't a single bodyguard on duty? The panic room code word thing is crazy to me.

[Patrick Hines]

You know, the one thing I've been thinking about but haven't really been saying is, like, is there any world in which Ted and Lily were working together together?

[Jillian Batavale]

Or Lily and the Russians work together and they let Ted make a mess.

[Patrick Hines]

Maybe there were two plots happening at the same time and Ted just got to it first.

[Jillian Batavale]

Maybe.

[Patrick Hines]

Maybe, like, Ted did the dirty work for. Imagine you're Lily and you're planning to have the Russian mob kill your husband, but this fucking idiot Green Beret that.

[Jillian Batavale]

You hire also, like, what's the story there? What is the story with Ted being hired? Was he just a fucking patsy, right? Like, was. I don't know any of this because why on earth. You're a zillionaire. Why don't you have the best of the best, the most vetted? She put him in front of psychiatrist who was like, no, he's good. Like, is he. Is he crazy? Is he easily manipulated? Like, how did Ted get here? Because it feels like he was just, like, picked out of obscurity.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Batavale]

Who is this family who was like, I know a guy in Monaco.

[Patrick Hines]

You know, at the end of the day, this all just comes down to, like, none of this would have happened if the guy wasn't a billionaire. You know what I mean?

[Jillian Batavale]

So the responders waiting three hours to get up there is unconscionable.

[Patrick Hines]

And that's the whole other thing nobody planned for. They're going to have to clear 22 floors of a parking garage before they can put out the fire. That's insane.

[Jillian Batavale]

Like, what? I think maybe, yeah, the lighting the fire is the closest thing to the truth, but there are a lot of questions here. Who's just like, oh, yeah, I'll just lose $50 million cost of doing business of this weird real estate deal. Like, I know billionaires are crazy, but, like, to just drop 50 mil with the Russians and this guy's wife, I don't know.

[Patrick Hines]

It's insane. Oh, my God, girl, we did a murder in. That was crazy.

[Jillian Batavale]

This is a crazy, crazy ride. People were dying for us to do this.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, you're. This is another one. If you are listening to this on the audio version. Go to YouTube. Go to YouTube. This one was wild. We had a lot of fun. This was really crazy.

[Jillian Batavale]

Crazy. Justice for Vivian too, by the way.

[Patrick Hines]

Totally. What are we doing next?

[Jillian Batavale]

We are doing Satan wants you. It is the beginnings, the genesis of satanic panic. Oh, which is really a book basically, like go ask Alice but for satanic panic.

[Patrick Hines]

No way.

[Jillian Batavale]

About like how it actually happened and like the woman and the guy behind it.

[Patrick Hines]

All right, well, fam. Stay tuned for the trailer for that. Join the Facebook group. Join us on patreon. Join us on the discord. We love you.

[Jillian Batavale]

The good thing about Satan is that Satan doesn't care about you. He does so Satan wants you. Like Satanists are very selfish. I say with love.

[Patrick Hines]

Do you believe in the devil? I believe in things I believe I don't. Daisy asked me the other day if I believed in heaven and I said yes. And she said, do you believe in the devil? And I said no, no.

[Jillian Batavale]

I think there are things. I think things creep in other things in the world. But anyway, we'll get to the beginning.

[Patrick Hines]

Of all this week. Oh, my God. All right. We love you family.

[Jillian Batavale]

We love you, you.

[Patrick Hines]

Bye.

[Jillian Batavale]

Bye. Joining me now from Victoria is Michelle Smith, a one time victim of abuse by a Satanic cult.

[Patrick Hines]

And Dr. Lawrence Pastor, the psychiatrist who helped her come to terms with that nightmare. The book is called Michelle remembers.

[Jillian Batavale]

Michelle remembers.

[Patrick Hines]

We wrote it together. The first publicized account of such rituals.

[Jillian Batavale]

They would put me in cages, sacrifice.

[Patrick Hines]

Animals, eating feces and orgies and dismembering fetuses.

[Jillian Batavale]

These were things that you expect experienced. That's right.

[Heidi (Ted's Wife)]

Who are these people?

[Patrick Hines]

Well, they're a secret organization. They're secret society. When that book came out, I mean.

[Jillian Batavale]

All hell broke loose.

[Heidi (Ted's Wife)]

It was a theory that there's a.

[Patrick Hines]

Satanic conspiracy and there are children who.

[Heidi (Ted's Wife)]

Are kidnapped, stolen and sacrificed.

[Patrick Hines]

It's known as the satanic panic. In the 1980s and 90s, I consulted on hundreds of these cases all over the western world.

[Heidi (Ted's Wife)]

And all of this was started by this pop.