A (1:09)

This one. Here's the thing. I got a lot. We're getting real gay today because we're doing another episode of our regular bonus episodes that's also covering a gay. Gay stuff.

B (1:18)

Yeah. That you'll hear in June.

A (1:19)

That you'll hear later. But also, I wanted to point out that I really love the blocky yellow font that they use.

B (1:26)

Yeah.

A (1:26)

I really like this series.

B (1:28)

You can see it.

A (1:28)

Yeah.

B (1:29)

I mean, you can read it.

A (1:30)

You can read it. It looks cool. I love the style of this series. This episode is, wow. We get a lot really bad gays. We get one really good gay. But we get a lot of really bad gays in this one, too.

B (1:39)

Yeah. There's like one person I like in this whole thing.

A (1:40)

I know. We revisit a bad gay. Not only are we getting bad gays, we are getting a bad gay for the second time.

B (1:46)

I know you had a Hollywood facialist who's accused of hiring a hitman to murder her business competitor.

A (1:56)

She was being accused of plotting murder, which I still find it hard to believe. That's not the don I know. And they were painting her as this horrible, vindictive, evil, unkind person. And they released that mugshot, which was a very rough mugshot for a beauty guru. I couldn't believe my friend who's this high end skincare guru would be in prison. It just seemed so nuts.

B (2:30)

But the evidence looked bad. This one's a real piece of work, too. Her name is Dawn DeLuise. We're in West Hollywood, California, and I'm like Dom DeLuise from the Muppet Movie.

A (2:41)

Or like the Pictionary. He hosted one of those game shows. Like it was either like win, lose or draw or pick. That's what I know him from. But wasn't he also in like your mob movies?

B (2:49)

Dom DeLuise? Probably. He's the guy from the Muppet Movie.

A (2:53)

Her name is Don DeLuise. I refuse to accept this.

B (2:57)

What am I supposed to do?

A (2:58)

It's ridiculous.

B (2:58)

But it's also kind of like when Don becomes Don Drake, new secretary and no one knows who they're asking for. Dawn. Dawn. Like, one of them has a very strong W in it.

A (3:09)

You would nail that.

B (3:09)

Anyway, Duan. Dawn.

A (3:11)

Dawn. Dawn or dawn or whatever. Yeah.

B (3:14)

Anyway, we're off and running. Dawn tells us about the Face Place.

C (3:18)

Very busy street in West Hollywood. You know, it's just a whole mecca of hair or beauty or massage, all those types of businesses. This is where I learned my technique at the Face Place. That's where I started with Brad Pitt and Christian Slater and Meg Ryan. Ryan and all them.

B (3:34)

Right here.

C (3:35)

That's my alma mater.

B (3:37)

Not to be a total, like, wet blanket of. But, like, did these people say it was okay to drop their names?

A (3:42)

But I think it's all fake. Like, I think it's all lie. Like, show me one. Like, you know, if they actually came in, she'd have a picture with them.

B (3:49)

100. But then it's also like. Well, then definitely keep Meg Ryan's name out of your mouth. Yeah, definitely. And like, I know they're like the Hollywood whatever, but like, maybe like keep your mouth shut about procedures people are having that. Am I like, no.

A (4:00)

Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I feel like it's just currency. Like, we're told this like a million, million times. If you walk past Julia Roberts on the street, she's your best friend in la.

B (4:10)

Yes.

A (4:10)

You know what I mean?

B (4:11)

And then you're going to use that to expand your own business.

A (4:13)

Yes, exactly. And so now we meet Edward Feinstein. He was Don's friend and client. We're In Leona Valley, California. This is one of those gays who lives out in the country with his animals.

B (4:24)

He sucks, this guy.

A (4:25)

He's got an ornamental camel. He refers to the camel as ornamental. The camel's name is toe for camel toe.

B (4:32)

So annoying.

A (4:32)

He's also shaved the camel to give it, like, a funky haircut.

B (4:36)

Everything about this guy irks me. Yeah, he really pisses me off.

A (4:40)

Yeah.

B (4:40)

Now, Edward met Don through this guy named Nick, and they were, like, getting facials from Don and, like, talking to dawn about each other. And apparently Dawn's like, I want to meet your friend. Bring him in. And, like, Don obviously wants more clients. And so that's when Ed's like, well, she invited me in for a facial. I'm like, that I'm sure you paid for.

A (4:57)

Yeah.

B (4:58)

Like, she's not giving away free facials.

A (4:59)

Her facials are, like, crazy expensive, like, for whatever year this was, like, 2013 or whatever.

B (5:05)

Like that. Yeah.

A (5:06)

And like, she's now got her own place, and she's. Now she's saying she's doing Jennifer aniston, Nicki minaj and Nancy Reagan and Gary Busey.

B (5:13)

Now, first of all, booed everyone except Jen. Yeah, that. But, like, other than Jennifer Aniston, the names that she's dropping, they're not known for their great skin.

A (5:22)

Yeah.

B (5:22)

And also, Don skin isn't great either.

A (5:25)

Absolutely.

B (5:26)

If we're going to start saying it and I'm not, I'm just like, as a facialist and a skin care expert, I would think that it would look better. Yeah. I'm sorry to say it.

A (5:34)

It's okay.

B (5:34)

She's also, like, a racist, homophobic asshole, so I hate her.

A (5:37)

This woman is. We meet her public, a woman named alyssa butcher.

B (5:41)

How l. A. Is that? The facialist needs her own public 100%.

A (5:46)

This woman says people are willing to murder to get famous in L. A.

B (5:50)

Well, she's saying the most obvious thing that everyone knows. Like, Los Angeles obviously is an industry town.

A (5:55)

People are really image and beauty obsessed,

B (5:58)

and everybody's trying to land the same clients.

A (6:01)

And when you read, oh, such and such celebrity went to this esthetician, Everybody

B (6:06)

kind of wants to go to that esthetician then because you think they must have, you know, the fountain of youth.

A (6:11)

Every time I go to a diner in New York and I see a picture of, like, Ralph Macchio on the wall from 19 years ago, I'm like, does this make anybody else, like, does this matter to anybody who's eating here?

B (6:20)

To me, it's like, whoa, Ralph is Here.

A (6:21)

Like,

B (6:23)

I'm not going to be like, you have to go to Macho's place. Unless it's like, yeah, out of this world.

A (6:28)

I guess.

B (6:28)

Sure, it would be, but then he'd be a regular there.

A (6:30)

We are just celebrity obsessed. We're just obsessed with celebrities.

B (6:34)

What's weird about this one, this piece of work, dawn, is that I don't think she cares about the celebrity. She wants the name for her business.

A (6:40)

Yes.

B (6:40)

She doesn't even about like, being around Jen.

A (6:43)

And that thing is that there's nothing interesting about Dawn.

B (6:46)

Why do I keep calling her Jen Aniston? Like I know her.

A (6:48)

I love it. It makes me feel like you do know her. The thing about Don DeLuise is that, like, she's really good at the thing that she does. Is she. Well, I mean, she gets named like the best. I can't even say that word. Who knows?

B (7:02)

Thank you.

A (7:02)

Okay, but the point is she's making money. She's doing a thing that she loves. Why can't she just be happy?

B (7:09)

Because some people have to be miserable or have to be perpetual victims. Professional victims. That's her.

A (7:14)

And that's the thing, like, there's nothing interesting about this woman at all.

B (7:17)

At all. And she knows it.

A (7:18)

Yeah.

B (7:18)

Which is partly why we're here.

A (7:20)

And that's why she tries to surround herself with fabulous people. Because it's deflecting from the fact that there's nothing interesting about her.

B (7:25)

Can't even do that. Right.

A (7:26)

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A (8:58)

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B (9:02)

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C (9:03)

Yes.

B (9:05)

Beth Karras, of course, is here. She drops her skincare routine because she is like, takes her skin very seriously. She wants us to know.

A (9:12)

And you know what? Beth Caris's skin looks great.

B (9:14)

So here's her routine that she says, number one, cleanse properly. Cool. Then she says a stem, she uses a stem cell serum. She goes, the vegans aren't gonna like that. And I'm like, there's vegan stem cell serums. But okay.

C (9:26)

But then a toner, a moisturizer. You don't use the same moisturizer at night that you use during the day and you don't use the same moisturizer in the summer as you use in the winter. I will do something in addition, like the red light mask. I don't know what it does, but

A (9:46)

I'm not gonna stop.

B (9:47)

This is a lot of a routine for me. It's too much stuff.

A (9:50)

But let me say, though, Beth carries. I don't know how old she is, but she's probably older than us and like, her skin looks fantastic.

B (9:57)

Yes. My question is, though, I would, as far as I know, I'm probably completely wrong. The toner, you do cleansing first.

A (10:05)

Oh, you're talking to the wrong gay

B (10:07)

first and then toner. Because toner is supposed to prep the skin. So if she's telling me she's using this fancy pants stem cell serum and then toner, I'm like, aren't you getting the serum off of your face?

A (10:15)

Oh, no, Beth, you're doing it wrong.

B (10:17)

This must be too fancy of a routine because I don't have the red light thing.

A (10:20)

No, I.

B (10:21)

So she must be doing, like, crazy stuff where I'M like, is there a world where you do toner after serum? I don't know.

A (10:26)

That world, I just can't imagine. And this is judgment on anybody who does. But, like, I have established, like, a face washing routine. Beyond that, I can't imagine caring this much.

B (10:38)

It feels like a lot of.

A (10:39)

Yeah, work. Yes.

B (10:41)

Which it is for sure, 100%. But Beth is here to be like, oh, I know, ball. Like, I know what I'm talking about.

A (10:45)

She could do it since her twenties. She tells us.

B (10:47)

I'm like, beth, where were you with the douching the last time? Where were you with, like, vaginal education?

A (10:54)

You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

B (10:55)

That's all on my shoulders last week.

A (10:57)

And you know what? You. You did it well. You did us all proud, girl.

B (10:59)

Thank you. Please do not put essential oils that you bought on the side of the road in your vagina. I beg of you. I beg of you.

A (11:05)

It's very, very good advice.

B (11:06)

Thank you.

A (11:07)

So we get Don DeLuise's backstory from everybody but her.

B (11:10)

Is it weird?

A (11:11)

Totally. You know why? Because she, like, feels so proud to have escaped Panama City, Florida or whatever. And when she was younger, she started to enter local beauty pageants. What she was participating in was like, right, just kind of stomp down the Runway, go get a corn dog and a slice of pizza. Afterwards, she saved up her prize money, mostly in ones. And unlike some beauty queens who come to Hollywood, she actually kind of made it one of those, like, Florida girls who did like beauty pageants, right?

B (11:42)

But Ed, that chuckles, as I call him because he punctuates every single thing he says with a laugh. And I'm like, you haven't said a goddamn funny thing.

A (11:50)

The thing is, he prides himself on being cunty. That's just like, what he thinks. He's like, the funniest, cuntiest boy in the world.

B (11:57)

And I think we're supposed to be like, oh, my God, he's such a bitch. But, like, he's evil.

A (12:00)

Like, this guy is a bad guy.

B (12:02)

And now I don't know any who did what to do. So right now, when he's like, she was no Cindy Crawford. She stopped down the Runway in a mall and ate a corn dog. After, I'm like, that is very off putting curious case of series because I don't know who to believe. And they're all assholes.

A (12:16)

Well, and they also. This episode tells the story out of order on purpose to keep us guessing. And I will say, when we get to why he's Mad at her. I. That's fine. I have no issue with him hating this woman.

B (12:27)

Right.

A (12:27)

But it's also like, I hate him, but we all hate him because everybody sat down in a bad mood, right? Everybody sat down, mad at everybody.

B (12:34)

And I'm like, this is the friend I know sitting down for the documentary.

A (12:38)

That's the other thing. Like, give us an ex friend, give us a form. Like, we can tell in how he's saying it that he doesn't like her. So, like, if you're holding this as a reveal. Curious case of whatever.

B (12:47)

Not doing it.

A (12:48)

It's not working.

B (12:48)

It's not landing.

A (12:49)

Yeah.

B (12:49)

So dawn says that she moved to la. She modeled for Fredericks of Hollywood, which is like. Which is a very famous lingerie, tits out.

A (12:55)

Good for her. Is Fredericks of Hollywood, like, sexy lingerie? Is that what it is?

B (12:59)

I always knew it as lingerie.

A (13:01)

Okay.

B (13:01)

Trashy. I say as a compliment.

A (13:02)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course.

B (13:03)

The trashier the better in terms of lingerie.

A (13:05)

100% ye. But she was like a. Like a topless model. And she made tons of money. She's like, all I cared about was making money because she wanted to pay her rent. And, like, this is the part of her that I really like. Like, she's a workhorse because she has a vision, she has a dream. She wants to make a better life for herself. And she's like, pounding the pavement. That's the one thing I will give Dawn. She's a worker.

B (13:23)

Great. Yeah, that's excellent. But apparently her gimmick in skincare is this, like, super scary looking electric mask.

C (13:30)

I pull out this Halloween looking mask that's attached to an electric box. It's a Hannibal Lecter mask. Sons of the Lambs. And she's one of our victims here. We're gonna see how she handles it.

A (13:42)

People like, love that. They go and they get the mask with the, with the, with the.

B (13:46)

All I know is that Meg Ryan isn't sitting down for this documentary. And that was the names drop.

A (13:50)

Yeah. Where's Christian Slater when you need him?

B (13:52)

I mean, but now in 2000, dawn wants us to know that she was voted best facialist in LA. And I'm like, by who?

A (13:57)

By Don DeLuise magazine. And I've. Did you have a subscription?

B (14:00)

And I couldn't find it anywhere.

A (14:01)

Oh, that's so funny.

B (14:02)

So, like, in her own mind, which could be, you know, like, whatever, whatever. So in 2009, as dawn tells it, someone comes in out of the clear blue sky demanding a job, and she's like, I'm not hiring you, monster. Now get out of here. And she says she chases him away

A (14:18)

in her telling him this interaction. The thing is, she looks bad in, like. In her telling, he's like, all, wait over here. You're busy. And she's like, did you see a sign in the window?

B (14:26)

Get out. What did I just say? To get out of here. She has her pepper spray. And I'm like, you chased him away? Okay, that's in 2009. And now I don't know how she's connecting these dots.

A (14:36)

Yeah.

B (14:36)

But four. Four years later, in 2013, dawn has a flat tire. And she's like, it was that guy from four years ago who asked me for a job that one time and

A (14:45)

all this other crazy stuff.

C (14:46)

Like, I noticed a slash tire one night. Within another week or two, there was another flat tire. And as if that wasn't bad enough, the next day, I come to work already with my heart pounding as I turned into the driveway and I looked. My name was covered by the word C U N T. Her parking sign

A (15:07)

is covered over with the C word. She's getting texts as she's leaving work, like, from, like, unknown numbers being like, your clothes suck. Where do you go shopping, bitch.

B (15:15)

Right? Like, people are watching her and stalking her. And so she's, like, terrified, and she's like, it just keeps getting worse. And then at the same time, she's telling us that this other skincare place

A (15:25)

has opened up and, like, right next door to hers. And, like, there's all this banging and drilling, and she goes over there one day and realizes the guy who's opening up this skinnier. By the way, it's not a skin care. He's waxing buttholes.

B (15:38)

It's called Smooth Cheeks. Terrible name. Now, his name is Gabriel. I love Gabriel.

A (15:42)

Me too. But he's like, a gay guy who's here to be like, I'm just waxing butts and back holes. Like, that's literally what he says.

B (15:47)

Not even sweet cheeks.

A (15:48)

I said butts and back holes.

B (15:50)

Yeah, I got exactly. I was picking up exactly what you were talking about.

A (15:54)

Which, by the way, like, can I just say that, like, in the gay community, like, this is not a weird or scandalous thing to talk. It's like, women getting Brazilians waxing is,

B (16:03)

like, not a weird thing. It's also not a facial.

A (16:05)

It's not official.

B (16:06)

So this guy opens up Smooth cheeks, and she's like, my God, it's that son of a bitch who had the nerve to ask me for A job four years ago. And now, out of the clear blue sky, as mysteriously as he walked into my place of employment four years ago, he's now, like, stalking her and harassing her. So Gabriel, like, introduces himself to dawn, and she's like.

C (16:26)

And as if he had never met me before when I came over, he extends his hand and says, I am Gabriel Suarez. And I says, I know who you are. I said, would you please go away? I was so shocked. He obviously was staking the place out, looking for an empty suite. And it made me wonder, how long has he been keeping his eye on this location? Gabriel Suarez really scared me.

B (16:50)

You think I don't know who you are? You came into my business four years ago asking for a job. I remember every second of that horrifying exchange exactly.

A (16:57)

Like, it's the most made up story of all. I don't remember a person I met yesterday.

B (17:02)

Right again. He's waxing, she's doing facials. He does it. And the gag is that he's like, oh, I. Yes, of course I remember you. His version of the story from four years ago was, like, pleasant. At the worst, like, it was just totally a benign exchange.

A (17:17)

And I also don't understand these people who don't understand that. Like, what do they say that like. Like something is the. Is the best form of flattery.

B (17:27)

Like, oh, my God, that word. What's the word when you copy something.

A (17:32)

Yeah, but what is the word for that?

B (17:33)

Why can't I think of that word? Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

A (17:37)

Thank you.

B (17:37)

I didn't even have to look it up. It's on YouTube. I didn't even look it up. It just came to me.

A (17:41)

But the point is, Don, you've got a very successful business, and of course it's going to attract other people in the same universe as what you do. It is not facials by the gay guy.

B (17:52)

I was gonna say, I'd agree with you if there was imitation here, but there's not imitation.

A (17:57)

Exactly. But can't you. Couldn't this have been a great partnership? Like, oh, after they get their butt waxed right next to you for a facial and vice versa.

B (18:04)

I couldn't agree more.

A (18:05)

Like, ryan, you need your butthole wax.

B (18:07)

Like, and then we get this anonymous person name bleeped in shadow, and I'm like. So to recap, Dawn's two, quote, friends is one guy who fudgeing hates her, and one person who's demanding to be anonymous and not publicly her friend.

A (18:18)

Yes.

B (18:19)

So anonymous says they met in 2013. They've been best friends ever since. However, there he is. In shadow.

A (18:25)

Yeah.

B (18:26)

Anonymous.

A (18:26)

And, like, he tells the story that they're on a date one night, but they're friends.

B (18:30)

And I'm like, are you her gay best friend trustee? Are.

A (18:32)

I think that he's, like, friends with benefits into her. No, here's the thing. Like, if I had a friend like Don and they asked me to be in the documentary and she begged me, I'd be like, fine, I'll do it, but I'm gonna be in shadow and.

B (18:43)

Or I'll do it, but I'm gonna be totally honest about how much I hate you and all the shit you did.

A (18:48)

Or at the very least, I love the ones that are here to be like, I'm just gonna tell you what happened.

B (18:53)

Yeah. Or that. Whatever.

A (18:54)

Because, like, this guy's kind of like that. He's like, we were out having dinner one night. She comes, she gets a phone call, goes back to the table. She's hysterical.

C (19:01)

My business partner called me one night. Oh, Dawn, I have something terrible to tell you. I have just been outside picking up flyers. With your face in a lewd sex scene. My face had been photoshopped on a woman with her legs spread wide open in the crotch showing. And it said, come by my studio. Gave the business address, gave my phone number, and it said, first time is free, boys.

B (19:24)

They're very, very, very sexually explicit. They're doxxing her. They're doxxing her business. I guess we'd call this revenge porn now, but that was not a thing

A (19:31)

inviting, like, come over and rape me.

B (19:34)

Saying she likes to get raped. So, like, this is at full stop. Absolutely not. Okay. They're doxing her, her place of business, sending violent rapists to her home.

A (19:42)

Yes.

B (19:43)

Apparently pounding on her door, saying, I'm here to rape you. Like, really completely unconscionable, awful fucking shit.

A (19:49)

And then, like, according to her also, she's, like, leaving the grocery store and getting, like, unknown number texts, being like, you forgot potatoes. Like, she is saying, I am being stalked everywhere I go all day, every day. She's sobbing now. She, like, she. She. She's in fear for her life.

B (20:02)

And so they dropped this in, which is just a horrifying thing to have happen to you. But then we hear from Linda, who's a friend and client who's only speaking to us over the phone. So I'm like, linda, what the fuck? What did she do? I know, because her friend hates her. Her other friend is in shadow, and Linda will only Talk over the phone?

A (20:19)

Yes.

B (20:20)

So what did she do?

A (20:21)

Beth Gehs is gonna say that Don has a. Don has a. Oh, my God. Where is my brain for words?

B (20:28)

Unfortunately, our job is to say words.

A (20:30)

Is to say words. And I don't know what we're doing today. She has a, like a believability problem.

B (20:36)

Yes.

A (20:36)

And it's like, as evidenced by the fact that nobody will speak on the

B (20:39)

record for her, especially not Meg Ryan and Jennifer aniston and Christian.

A (20:41)

100% not

C (20:44)

girl.

A (20:45)

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B (20:55)

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A (21:01)

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B (21:02)

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A (21:07)

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B (21:15)

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A (21:22)

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Thanks. So now don is completely 100% convinced that Gabriel Suarez is behind this. The guy who wanted a job four years ago, disappeared from her life and now has a waxing business two doors down.

A (22:24)

She also tells us, I went to

C (22:26)

both the West Hollywood Police Department near my work and the North Hollywood Police Department near my home approximately 16 times times. Go buy protective gear or move your home or change your phone number or just stop doing skincare. That was the type of advice I received.

B (22:44)

They tell her to put up cameras or hire security or just get out of skincare altogether or buy a gun.

A (22:49)

I would like some evidence that any of this happened. Yeah, I'm not shocked to hear that that was the response.

B (22:54)

That's what I'm saying. So I'm like, I don't know. So dawn is starting to lose it. She's getting very paranoid. She thinks that this Gabriel guy is going through her triathlon and listening to our conversation.

A (23:03)

Are we going to talk about my favorite Vietnamese restaurant in all of West

B (23:05)

Hollywood, the one that Beth Caris says wrong?

A (23:08)

It's called Pho Nominal.

B (23:09)

It's pho nominal. It's pho. So what? So it's like pho P. H O. Pho Nominal. But Beth is really stressing the pho.

A (23:16)

She says it over Pho Nominal.

B (23:19)

Yeah, yeah. But it's a great. It's a cute little Vietnamese restaurant.

A (23:21)

Very cute.

B (23:22)

Pho Nominal.

A (23:23)

And, like, that's another, like, business in the plaza where Gabriel and Don have their. Their businesses. And according to Don, the owner of that restaurant told Don that Gabriel went in there and asked them to turn their music down because it was bothering the customers. And the owner was like, well, it doesn't bother Don.

B (23:38)

This is literally what Gabriel supposedly said to the owner, who told Don. And dawn is telling the police. This is from the police report.

C (23:46)

And I quote, and he said, well, that's because she's too busy giving oral sex to her customers.

B (23:53)

Too busy to complain.

A (23:54)

Plane.

B (23:55)

Since they're upstairs giving blowjobs to men. Quotes that never happened for a thousand. Alex.

A (24:02)

Oh, my God.

B (24:03)

Remember the restaurant owner. To be clear, the restaurant owner didn't say any of this to the cops directly. Dawn is quoting the restaurant owner.

A (24:09)

Right? Exactly. Exactly.

B (24:11)

People just don't talk like that. No, they don't speak like that. Giving blowjobs to men. Upset, like, what are you saying?

A (24:16)

So now Don is like, she's sobbing to us. And she said that she made the decision to find somebody who could help her. The police won't help her. Nobody believes her. Nobody will help her. Gabriel's Trying to kill her. And when you, Gabriel, this like sweet gay man from West Hollywood who just wants to like, wax backs, right. Is trying to kill Don.

B (24:33)

But also when you think of like, the doxxing is really fucking scary. Yes, for sure. Men are showing up at her apartment saying, like, I'm here to rape you. Like that revenge point, like, that's scary. So no question, when you hear that and the police aren't helping you and you like show them the flyer and they're like, so sorry, where? This is all we know right now, in the first 20 minutes is all I'm saying. So she, it's 20, January 2014, she's at the end of her rope. And now we meet Chris Guy, who's a former NFL player for the Detroit Lions.

A (24:59)

So she was on a trip to a place called Big Bear and I guess like they met at a bar one night and essentially she sees this man who she can tell is attracted to her and she knows she can manipulate him.

B (25:10)

Yes. And he's a big guy, he's a bigger guy.

A (25:13)

He's here to tell us that, like we met. I thought she was cute. She talked a lot. She was a nice looking lady. I was attracted to her and I exchanged numbers with dogs and we were chatting back and forth and she started just complaining and crying and such on the phone and through chats. And I was just like, I can't believe this lady has this many problems.

B (25:37)

I can't believe this lady has so many problems. She's just like, and this thing and this harass and this awful thing. And he's like, I'm just trying to buy you a Mai Tai.

A (25:44)

They exchange numbers. He's saying that, like she will text, email, call him, him to just reiterate time and time again how hard her life is.

B (25:52)

And then I guess dawn has some other friend who we never meet or know about because Don is now put in touch with Detective Steve. Yes, because Don's friend, he, Detective Steve owes Don's friend a favor. We don't get any more information.

A (26:05)

The guy's name is Pat Abbott and he's a guy from like Don's church or whatever. This guy, according to Don, got sent one of those flyer, one of those like Photoshop flyers and was like, girl, we can't have this. I've got this detective friend, he owes me a favor. He, I know the cops aren't helping you. This guy's going to help you. He's going to get to the bottom of it. We're going to figure out who's stalking you, and we're going to get it taken care of.

B (26:26)

I'm just very curious why? A detective owes you a favor, right? And this is what you feel you can cash in for the favor?

A (26:32)

Yeah.

B (26:33)

Isn't that just an.

A (26:33)

You know. But the truth of the matter is, if I had a girlfriend who was going through something like this, and I. And I knew a cop in any capacity. You know what I mean?

B (26:39)

I know a guy who knows a guy.

A (26:41)

Yeah. Yeah. Like, this girl needs help. Like, what can we do?

B (26:43)

So Don tells Detective Steve everything. Like, shows him the flyers, all texts and emails, and he's like, cool. I want to talk to witnesses. I just want other people who can verify this information.

A (26:52)

This is where Linda comes back on the phone. On the phone.

B (26:54)

Linda, because what dawn is doing now is calling all of her friends and saying, hey, the cops are going to call you. Can you lie for me and say that you saw Gabriel, like, putting up the flyers? And Linda says, yes. And I'm like, that's why you're only here over the phone.

A (27:08)

Exactly. Lied because you lied.

B (27:10)

And so Don is thrilled because she's like, great, I have Linda to lie for me. And to be clear. And we will hear this more later, she is literally saying, can you lie for me?

A (27:18)

Yes. Can you give Linda a script? She's like, say this when this detective

B (27:22)

calls you about Gabriel.

A (27:23)

Yes.

B (27:24)

So the cops. So Dawn's like, yes. Finally, this, like, gay Mexican guy is going to get arrested.

A (27:30)

Just wants to wax the back.

B (27:32)

Wrong.

C (27:32)

The police come to her house. I see these men dressed in, like, tactile gear with helmets and shields, and. And I just froze. I literally felt the blood run to my feet. And they were tossing my apartment full on.

B (27:51)

SWAT team.

A (27:51)

SWAT team comes, like, bursts into her house. She's like, they were tossing my house. They demanded her devices and passwords. We hear this from two different people in this episode. They both turn over their devices and give the passwords. You don't have to do that.

B (28:03)

Don't have to.

A (28:04)

That's crazy.

B (28:05)

Yeah.

A (28:05)

But Don does it.

B (28:06)

Well, Don is arrested for solicitation of a murder.

A (28:09)

Yes.

B (28:09)

And. And now everyone also is here to talk about how, quote, unattractive Dawn's mugshot was because she was, like, a beauty guru, her friend. And shadow is like, oh, those roots. It was heartbreaking.

A (28:18)

I mean, literally, because it hits tmz and, like, Edward the Bitch is like, she looked like a hobo. She's wearing a poncho.

B (28:26)

This.

A (28:26)

It is, like, the shittiest gay Shit to say.

B (28:29)

This fucking guy needs to take a long, hard look in the mirror, inside and out, for him to be sitting there and being a little bitch about everyone else's actions and their appearance.

A (28:38)

I couldn't agree more. But when you. When you live in this world. World, and like, this is like, you're like the esthetician world and like the LA world. And this woman who's your mortal enemy has a shitty mugshot on tmz. Like, it's, It's. It's gay. Breakfast?

B (28:52)

A little scrumptious.

A (28:52)

Yeah.

B (28:53)

So now we meet Christine, who is the former deputy da, and I'm like, do we finally have an adult in the room?

A (28:58)

We do a little bit. I like her a little bit.

B (29:01)

So she tries to explain this to us, and it's very convoluted.

A (29:03)

Every time I see the name Don DeLuise, it makes me laugh. I just. I can't get over it.

B (29:07)

Not to be confused with Dom Delaware from the Muppet movie.

A (29:11)

Yeah. Yeah.

B (29:12)

So Christine, the prosecutor says when this case first started, McCauley thought that it was just a stalking investigation, and then it segued into a solicitation of murder investigation. Don DeLuise was absolutely obsessed with the notion that Gabriel Suarez was out to get her and she needed to make it stop any way she possibly could. Dawn was obsessed with the notion that Gabriel Suarez was out to get her.

A (29:41)

Yes.

B (29:42)

Like, and again, then she met him four years ago. Four years go by, they have no contact whatsoever. And then he show, according to Don, shows up and is now ruining her life and doxing her and trying to

A (29:52)

get a rape, steal her clients. Right. Literally trying to ruin her life to run her out of the business two doors down.

B (29:58)

And it's also like, I don't know, based on what we're told here, I'm like, gabriel, what's your end game here, girl? Like, that's what's really happening. How does this affect her business? What does this have to do with anything? It's very violent and scary. Like, none of this makes any sense. Most of all, why Don is connecting the dots between this guy four years ago.

A (30:15)

Yes.

B (30:16)

Who now the revisionist history is like, he came in like a maniac.

A (30:19)

Yes.

B (30:19)

Demanding a job. Like, that's not what happened four years ago.

A (30:22)

Yeah. And so what they had found in going through all of Don's stuff. So Don had sent me a text message saying that she had found somebody to take Gabriel out. And she said, well, I'm not going to ask any questions, and if I Don't ask any questions. I'm not going to get caught.

B (30:40)

I found someone who's going to take Gabriel out. His name's Chris Guile. He's an ex Detroit lion quarterback. He's 6, 7 and 315 pounds. He's on my Facebook page. First of all, those numbers are a little inflated.

A (30:50)

It's crazy. And like, the thing too is that, like, Don has absolutely no evidence against Gabriel. Like, nothing is materialized. Of the original 16 witnesses that she produced to talk to the detective, all of them were like, I don't know what she's talking about. Except for Linda, who? Linda, who's here on the phone, right? Who, like, tried to stick to the script for one minute and then basically just hung up on the guy.

B (31:11)

And my first question is, I'm like, does NFL Chris know about this? Does he know that he's been roped into this murder for hire plot? Or are you just saying this to everyone?

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So Edward apparently is like, oh, I'm not lying for anyone. Shitty Edward. Gay Edward was is like, I'm not lying to anyone. And he saved. He like shows the cops the email which led them to her house and that's why she's arrested.

A (34:45)

I'm like, these are just people you can nobody can trust these people. Because Don sent Edward the email being like, here's a script. This is exactly what you say. Don't forget to delete it. He's like, as soon as I saw that, I hit print and save.

B (34:55)

So not only are the questions cops arresting her for solicitation of murder, just like she is making people is very aggressively getting her friends to lie to police.

A (35:04)

Yeah.

B (35:05)

She's also falsifying police reports that she's giving to the cops. Like the owner of the restaurant, the phenomenal restaurant.

A (35:12)

Yes.

B (35:13)

The cops talk to him and they're like, what? I've never had a conversation with her. I didn't say anything about blow. What are you talking about?

A (35:19)

And I just don't understand how none of these people are ever playing the long game.

B (35:23)

Never.

A (35:23)

How, like, you're going to get the cops involved knowing that you made all of this.

B (35:28)

And we have like, they slowed down on this police report because now the cop, detective Steve, is making his own report about, like, what's going on and what the lies are. And he says, like, I tried to get her to understand why these text messages are alarming to us. And she said, Don said that after

C (35:44)

telling Guile about her troubles with Suarez, he offered to take care of Gabriel. I then asked her, did you tell him no? She replaced replied, no, of course I didn't tell him no. I'd be lying if I said I didn't wish he was dead. Do I want to be traced to anything that happens to him, or do I want anyone I know to be in trouble? No.

B (36:07)

I mean, I'd be lying if I said I didn't wish he was dead. Do I want to be traced to anything that happens to him, or do I want anyone I know in trouble? No.

A (36:15)

Then she literally says, if I could have lured him to my house, I would have killed him myself in self defense.

B (36:20)

Dawn, you are out of your fucking mind.

A (36:22)

She said this to a cop?

B (36:23)

Yeah, to a cop. And she says, like, now she's saying to bitchy Edward, like, oh, I know this guy in San Bernardino who said he'll handle Gabriel for me. And he. He found this lowlife drug user who's itching to get the job done asap.

A (36:38)

Don is just like, telling on herself at every turn. She's like, sending all of these texts to her friend Edward, who she absolutely can't trust. Everything that he gets, he's sending right to the cops.

B (36:46)

Right? Like, this woman is not okay.

A (36:48)

No.

B (36:49)

And again, Gabriel didn't do anything. Like, what is she Talking about.

A (36:52)

But what has happened to her is. Is the flyer thing really happened?

B (36:56)

Horrifying.

A (36:57)

I mean, as far as we know, the text messages really did happen. She is saying that the men really did come to her house in the middle of the night trying to break in and rape her.

C (37:04)

Right?

A (37:04)

So like this is. This is the tension in this documentary is that like she's clearly lying about Gabriel, but yet all of the things that she's saying he did to her did happen to her.

B (37:14)

Right?

A (37:14)

So how.

B (37:15)

Right. Like what is the connection between the awful things in Gabriel? Like, I'm not understand. And she is like adamant and she's like demanding people lie to her. And I'm like, what is going on? So thank God Gabriel is here.

A (37:26)

I'm Gabriel Suarez. I was in the dark completely about how she hated me. She was bothered by me living. She was bothered by me existing. She was wanting me beat up, offed. She was the original Karen. She's dangerous.

B (37:44)

She's the original Karen. She's super dangerous. And she is.

A (37:47)

And he's like, I had absolutely no idea how much this woman hated me.

B (37:51)

He also said, says he's trying to tell us that waxing isn't that painful.

A (37:55)

Gabe, look, the way that he did it, the way it. It didn't look that bad.

B (37:59)

All I will say, yeah, it depends where on the body.

A (38:02)

Yes, it is.

B (38:03)

Eyebrows, Painless.

A (38:05)

Yeah.

B (38:05)

Elsewhere, different. Not so much.

A (38:07)

Here's the thing. There are people who love to do certain jobs. Gabriel loves waxing.

B (38:12)

Right.

A (38:12)

You know what I mean?

B (38:13)

Doesn't really care about facials.

A (38:14)

Doesn't care about facials. You know who I always think about too is dental hygienists. Like, I feel like if you're the kind of person who loves to take that water pick and really get all the gunk out in between people's teeth, like that would be what an amazing job for you if you love that stuff.

B (38:26)

Have you ever had a facial? No, I haven't either. I'm always scared that because I have sensitive skin, I'm always scared I'll like have like a flare up.

A (38:32)

Do not need it. Like you. Maybe someday. But you're. Whatever you're doing is working.

B (38:36)

Listeners, can you. Is it really, like fun? Do you really feel pampered or are you stressed out?

A (38:40)

You know who gets them all the time? Our friend Jen Simard. She loves a facial.

B (38:42)

I'm going to ask her. I'm going to text her and ask her, like, where does she go? Yeah, because I've never gotten one. But if it really is that, like, luxurious. But I feel like all those things, like, sitting and getting your nails done is such a fudgeing chore.

A (38:51)

Oh, I kind of love a petty, like, I'll get a penny.

B (38:55)

Yeah, ye tickle on you.

A (38:57)

And we know that is off limits.

B (38:59)

I know. I always warn them. I'm always like, it's not you. Like, and so I might, like, I kind of tense up and I'm like, it's so not your fault. I know you're doing it. I always have to let them know. They're always like, giggling at me that I'm always like, it is weird having

A (39:10)

strangers touch your body.

B (39:11)

It's very weird. I. I don't, I don't love the, the whole thing.

A (39:14)

Yeah.

B (39:15)

I'm just, I've never had a facial and we were talking about it for two hours and I'm like, I wonder if it's really like, I feel like

A (39:21)

I'm getting to the age where I would benefit from a facial.

B (39:23)

Maybe. Do people, like, recommend it? I'm curious.

A (39:25)

I don't know. What do you all think?

B (39:26)

Let me know. So y side of the story is like.

A (39:29)

Yeah. So originally I came across dawn when I started doing skincare in West Hollywood in about maybe 2008 or so. When I first started looking for work just out of school. I went to many salons and spas, and her salon was one of them. And I remember it being a positive interaction. Left her my resume, she was busy, and I moved on.

B (39:50)

I left my resume, she was busy, I moved on. Four years later, bada bing, bada boom. I opened this wax joint. That's the problem.

A (39:55)

And then he tells the story of the day that she came in to demand that they, like, stop doing the work during the day.

B (40:01)

So. Right. Because he, like, he's been working for five years, saved up his money, he's opening his own place.

A (40:05)

And then the guy, like, pulled himself up by the bootstraps, self made. Just wants to wax backs and butts, like, and he like, but. And loving doing it.

B (40:13)

Right. So now he finally has a place of his own, but the place is a little run down and he's like renovating it and redecorating it, whatever. And so he's spending a few months getting like, whipping this place up into shape.

A (40:22)

Like, West Hollywood is no joke. Like, it's got to be nice. You know what I mean? Yeah.

B (40:25)

So he tells us that he hired day laborers for this. And now according to Gabriel, one day, racist dawn walks in and it's like, oh, finally, there's someone in here who speaks English.

A (40:33)

I can hear the words coming out of her mouth. Like, they're like. It doesn't even feel like she was trying to make a statement. Like, she meant every word of that.

B (40:39)

And then she makes a complaint that could be very valid. She's like, the work is super noisy. I'm trying to have this kind of luxurious spa moment with the facials and my clients. Like, can you please keep it down? And Gabriel's like, no problem. He worked around it. And that. He goes, that was the end of the interaction.

A (40:54)

Let me also say that he remembers that. That experience in 2008, giving the resume as a pleasant experience. She describes, like, chasing him out, being proud of having chased him out.

B (41:02)

Envision a sister.

A (41:03)

And he's like, that was. It was fine. I gave her a resume. She was busy. I went on my way.

B (41:06)

Like, she's a racist.

A (41:07)

Yeah, 100%.

B (41:09)

So now it's March 5, 2014.

A (41:12)

One morning, I wake up to guns at my front door, and there were police with huge bats coming at me with a search warrant on my apartment here in West Hollywood. They put handcuffs on me and pushed me against the wall. There was guns drawn on me. I was just shaking.

B (41:30)

Gabriel's door is kicked in.

A (41:31)

Fucking SWAT teams everywhere you go. The SWAT team is at Gabriel's house. They're coming at him with bats. He says they put him in handcuffs, guns drawn. This guy is shaking, he says, and

B (41:41)

he's like, what are you talking about?

A (41:42)

Gives them all of his devices and passwords. He's like, I have nothing to hide.

B (41:46)

And then he's like, then Don gets arrested. And now Gabriel is sort of describing what it was like for all of the pieces to start falling into place

A (41:53)

for him, because the pieces are on

B (41:54)

tm, and he's like, oh, wait a second. Because he has some stories of his own. His car was keyed more than once, and he notices all of these awful flyers, like, awful, like, porn flyers about Don that are outside of his business and outside of his home. And they're so graphic that they, like, startle him.

A (42:13)

Yeah.

B (42:14)

And he says he was like, what's super weird about that is that, like, if these people were after dawn, why are they at my house?

A (42:20)

And the other thing is, when he sees her mugshot on tmz, he sees that she was arrested for, like, conspiracy to commit murder, and he knows it's about him. One of the things that. Can you imagine? You're, like, living your life, and then one day you realize, like, somebody was

B (42:31)

out to kill you, kind of. And then what's also very scary.

A (42:39)

It's been a long nine years, girl.

B (42:41)

Kinda. So what's also scary is that Gabe, like, Gabe is also getting these violent text messages. And I'm like, oh, so his number was on the flyer too?

A (42:51)

Yes.

B (42:52)

So that's all very strange. And so this first episode ends with Edward saying, like, the producer from behind the camera. Like, bitchy Edward. And the producer's like, did she key Gabriel's car?

A (43:03)

I mean, was that all? No, we keyed Gabriel's car.

B (43:07)

But you guys.

A (43:09)

Yeah, we keyed his car. And it was one time. One time too many. Sorry, Gabriel.

B (43:18)

No, no, she didn't.

A (43:19)

We didn't.

B (43:20)

Oh. And it was one time. Sorry, Gabriel.

A (43:23)

Sorry, Gabriel.

B (43:23)

I'm like, you have to stop laughing when nothing' funny.

A (43:25)

It's also just like, I really like these two. We're about to go into part two, and I really, I like this series a lot. But it's. This is told out of order on purpose, and it's a little sloppy, 100%.

B (43:35)

Because the big reveal now as we end episode one is that Edward and this guy Nick from earlier are the guys behind the flyers. Yes. And that he, like, Edward, admits that they posted Craigslist ads with Dawn's real phone number and they photoshopped the flyers and the situation just kind of got out of hand.

A (43:52)

So we're left at the end of episode one thinking that they did this behind Don's back. Like, they did this to her to be mean to her.

B (43:59)

And chuckles won't stop laughing. And I'm like, I don't understand what's happening here,

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A (45:33)

Exactly. So episode two opens. Don's in prison on $1 million bond. We find out that she got evicted while she was in prison from both her home and her business. Right now she's modeling her prison uniform for us.

B (45:49)

I don't understand. She's trying out the jumpsuit that she was wearing in County Jail. And she is also.

A (45:54)

How does she get to keep that?

B (45:55)

I don't know. I don't understand any of. She's showing off how she did Pilates with this filthy bra, also presumably from County. And I'm like, I don't understand. She's like, look at how I made resistance bands. Like, I was able to keep up my Pilates. How did she get the Pilates 100, or whatever the fuck it's called.

A (46:12)

How'd she get that jumpsuit out of there?

B (46:14)

I don't know why she has it. I don't know why she would want to hold onto this if it was such a harrowing time of her life. I mean, and why is she wearing it? And why are we doing Pilates with a bra?

A (46:23)

I, I, I. None of it makes any sense. We also learned that she was offered a plea deal, but she wouldn't take them. So now this case is headed to trial.

C (46:34)

Every time I laid my head on the pillow at night, I knew I was innocent. I was never going to concede to something I didn't do. Why in the world would I say I was trying to have someone murdered just so That I could go home early. Well, hell no. No.

A (46:46)

Why would I admit to something I didn't do just to go home early? And I was like, girl, you got no home to. To go to. Like, you're literally staying in prison because you got no home to go to, girl.

B (46:53)

Right. And also, these are, like, some big accusations.

A (46:56)

Yes.

B (46:57)

Dawn.

A (46:57)

I mean, she ends up being in prison for a year.

B (46:59)

Yeah. She's not innocent here, but we just don't know what she did.

A (47:03)

Yes.

B (47:03)

And so we're getting there. We're getting closer and closer and closer. But then I'm like, okay, so Edward and his stupid friend Nick made these flyers and invited violent rapists to her home. And, like, no one's taking that seriously. Like, I'm not.

A (47:16)

Yeah. When we'll get to that. We're meeting the jurors, and I love this. Like, this woman is just like. So was she just, like, a horrible racist person?

B (47:23)

Yeah.

A (47:23)

Or like, was she just a person who got tricked? Like, nobody. There's so many moving parts. Like, if you're as confused as we were at this point in the story, like, imagine how the jurors are, because

B (47:32)

the jurors keep going back to, she's a total Karen. She's a total asshole. However, she was a victim of stalking, doxing, harassment, revenge porn. Like, her life was in danger thanks to these two assholes, like, her mental health. So the jury is, like, really stuck on that because, like, those flyers are really awful.

A (47:49)

Yeah, the flyers are awful.

B (47:50)

And that's what everyone is kind of holding onto to be like.

A (47:54)

But, yeah, and it seems really real. Like, you could, like, write her story off as a lie, except the flyers existed.

B (48:00)

And also, what juror number 12 is telling us is, like, you can kind of see how maybe she'd be so desperate if this is what she was. This was what her life was. Yes, she's desperate to stop it. The cops aren't helping her because it's also.

A (48:13)

Then, like, okay, tell me again, Don, how you connected this to the poor butt waxing guy?

B (48:17)

That's what I'm stuck on. Yeah, you met him once four years ago.

A (48:20)

Exactly.

B (48:21)

Or. Or. Or did you just see, like, a Mexican guy next door and you wanted to take care of him and get him out of your business, and now you're reverse engineering?

A (48:30)

I think it's all above. I think that she was really threatened by the business down the street, making up in her head that it was competition. She's certainly racist and homophobic right now.

B (48:38)

NFL Chris is here, and he's like, whoa, wait a second. Yeah, TMZ has him as the hitman. All this. Oh, my God. He goes.

A (48:45)

The most that I ever said was that I would show up with her on arm in arm and walk by. That's it. That way, I'd be a deterrent.

B (48:53)

If you need, like, a guy to protect you or whatever, I'll just sort of, like, let him know I'm here. I was in the NFL. I'm kind of a bigger guy. If that's what you need, fine.

A (49:00)

And I believe that 100%. Don's also like, oh, and by the way, all those, like, super racist texts I sent saying that we found somebody to kill the guy.

B (49:06)

Yeah.

A (49:07)

I was just blowing off steam. That was just a joke. These are my best. My gay besties.

B (49:10)

Because what Don is saying to NFL Chris is like, this guy who's sending violent rapists to my home has a business next door, and no one's helping me.

A (49:18)

Right?

B (49:18)

So anyone in their right mind would be like, I will take the closest NFL football player to, like, be on my arm and make a presence known to be like, don't fuck with me if that's the only thing I have in my arsenal.

A (49:28)

But then the minute you want to feel badly for her and you want to be on her side, we see more racist text messages that she says. She says to somebody, is the Aryan Brotherhood only in prison, and quote, I can't believe I can't find a white supremacist to do harm to a double minority. Gay slash Mexican, Right? What a piece of shit.

B (49:46)

She's a total piece of shit. Like, bonafide racist, 100%. Her words and actions make it very clear. Every time she tries to talk herself out of it, she digs her hole deeper. She is homophobic, transphobic, racist, awful.

A (49:57)

And I got to hand it to the jury, kind of, because it takes them less than 40 minutes to find her not guilty. They're like, all of these awful things happened to her, but I don't think she actually hired this person to kill this guy.

B (50:10)

Also, we get Beth Caris chimes in here, and she goes, this is like Natalia Grace all over again. You don't know who to believe. Everyone has a motive, and no one is being completely forthcoming. That kind of, like, stopped me in my tracks, and I'm like, no one's allowed to say anything negative about Natalia Grace.

A (50:22)

I. Well, Beth is on the inside.

B (50:23)

Yeah. But she's says, like, you can't even believe Natalia Grace. And like, no one. I. I was kind of Like, Beth, thanks for sort of like, giving us a safe space to say, like, I don't really. I trust that nobody.

A (50:33)

And like, I. I really am kind of into the, like, I give. No. Beth Caris. I think we're at that point in the skincare routine with her where she's

B (50:40)

sitting there with that red light on.

A (50:41)

The red light. And I want to be clear when I say I, I want to hand it to the jury for finding her not guilty. After 40 minutes, I don't know whether she's guilty or not, but they basically, they let us know that it felt

B (50:51)

good to know that we were going to be sending an innocent woman home that maybe made some bad choices, maybe trusted the wrong people, maybe said the wrong thing at times, but who hasn't in their life? There's no evidence that she was actually going through with a murder. Like, no, None. No one in her life is like, sure, dawn, where do I show up for the murder? Like, no one's doing it. She's just, like, bitching and moaning to everybody.

A (51:13)

And because the jury believed her, I think that, like, when you were pushed, like, look, you're a terrible person, but you're having rape threats, you're being followed, that you're having these. Anybody not getting help would be pushed to the point of, like, saying some crazy shit in the text message.

B (51:27)

That's what the jury's trying to say. Then we get a picture of her with Carl Douglas, who's like that Marcia from the oj. So Carl Douglas defended oj and I personally think is also a piece of shit. And is there to, like, if you

A (51:43)

all don't remember our coverage? What, what even was that?

B (51:46)

Something.

A (51:47)

Something on Patreon, I think.

B (51:48)

Thousand episode long.

A (51:49)

Yeah.

B (51:50)

OJ thing.

A (51:51)

Yeah.

B (51:52)

But when he's laughing about is he was like, we played super dirty and he thinks it's hilarious now.

A (51:58)

And I'm like, I forgot about your calls. Unless. Can we have it one more time, Marcia?

B (52:03)

When Marsha Clark was, Was literally like, you are manipulating this jury.

A (52:07)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

B (52:08)

And Carl Douglas thought it was cute. I'm like, he's a fudgeing murderer.

A (52:10)

I know.

B (52:11)

God, OJ's dead.

A (52:12)

I know so much.

B (52:12)

But, like, there's a picture of her with Carl Douglas, and I'm like, what is he doing?

A (52:16)

Everyone in LA knows everybody, but so, okay, so John's been acquitted. Now the prosecutors are preparing a case against. Against Nick and Ed for the harassment campaign that they say pushed her to maybe or maybe not be looking to hire somebody to kill Somebody.

B (52:30)

Because Beth Karras is like, yeah, first of all, NFL Chris was a patsy. He never heard from dawn again, ever.

A (52:34)

She totally goes to him. I know.

B (52:36)

And he's like that, like, hitman headline is going to be online forever. Thanks a lot.

A (52:40)

I know.

B (52:40)

Thanks for nothing.

A (52:41)

That's what happens.

B (52:42)

And Beth Caris, before we get into this part, reminds us that not guilty does not equal innocent.

A (52:46)

I know.

B (52:47)

So this is where things get even crazier, says Beth, because now we're coming for Edward and Nick, the gay guys, for the doxing, the stalking, the revenge porn.

A (52:54)

Yeah. And so now the SWAT team is at Ed's house. I just. The SWAT teams are fucking everywhere. I love, too, that Ed's got to be like, they were old and out of shape. I live two floors up. And they were huffing and puffing.

B (53:04)

Chuckles.

A (53:04)

Shut your mouth, Edward.

B (53:07)

So editor David Torres, he's a detective for Property crimes.

A (53:11)

Yes.

B (53:12)

Now Ed is arrested for, like, general stealing and credit card fraud. One, he stole, like, $30,000 from the dog grooming place that he worked at with the credit cards.

A (53:20)

I know.

B (53:21)

And then he would, like, just general stealing, whatever the technical term for that, as he was supposed to be putting money, like, in the business account, but he was taking the checks and not putting them in his boss's business account, but putting them in his own personal

A (53:32)

account to the tune of $100,000.

B (53:35)

So this is he's convicted of identity theft, grand theft, and he gets 16 months in prison.

A (53:39)

And he's not super happy with his mug shot.

B (53:41)

Well, he's got a massive zit on his face. And he blames Don for it. He was like, well, I just got a facial. Give you zits. Is that the thing?

A (53:49)

But the thing about this, too is Ed gets out of prison for stealing all the money from the dog grooming lady, the same victim. And she says that she's getting text messages, pictures of her house and her car coming out of her driveway with some threatening messages, basically saying, you know, I'm following you. Do you know who this is? And so forth. She suspected that it was Mr. Feinstein. I investigated. And based on that, he was in a violated on his parole and sent back to prison for a little bit.

B (54:15)

Takes revenge on the woman he stole over $100,000 from. This person is the audacity of this bitch. I fucking swear to God, it's horrible.

A (54:23)

And he's like, yeah, I got in a little bit of trouble for borrowing some money that wasn't Min.

B (54:27)

You're not funny, girl. I know like, you're so obnoxious. So this harassment of the person he stole, like, to. L. What is that like, to live in that world where you're like, you know what I'm going to do? Stalk and harass the person I stole a hundred thousand dollars from?

A (54:43)

You know what? I was. I was thinking about this in the shower as I was getting ready for this. I think so. Especially the Nick and Ed part of it. So much of it, I think, is just really shitty parenting. Like, I think that, like. Like, these kids were. Grow. Like, we're. We know about Nick. We'll get to him in a minute. They were. They were raised with money in the Valley. And I think that they were just ignored by their parents. They were not taught how to fucking behave. They were taught that they were entitled to anything that they wanted. Stealing from, whatever. And, like, this is mental illness. Like, I'm sorry to say it, but, like, if you are. If you are stalking the person that you stole money from and went to prison for, you are like, there's something really fucking wrong with you.

B (55:20)

Yeah. I also think that, like, sometimes people are just assholes and, like, empty and vindictive people. You know? Like, I think that's also part of it.

A (55:27)

I think so. But I think a lot of that can be caught with parenting.

B (55:30)

I hope so.

A (55:31)

Anyway. I. I was just, like, in my brain in the shower today. I was like. I don't know if I should say this or not, but I'm like, where. Where are their parents?

B (55:37)

I don't know. But this harassment violates his parole and he's sent back to prison. And Detective David is like, let me make one thing crystal clear.

A (55:43)

He doesn't let things lie. You know, he will harass you. And if he feels you did her wrong or you got him in trouble. Trouble, Eddie would definitely make you crazy thinking that you're being followed, thinking that you're being stalked. Because he can lead danger to your door, and he doesn't hesitate to do

B (55:59)

so if he feels wronged by you.

A (56:03)

Ed. I'm right here, you piece of shit. Like, come for me, Ed.

B (56:06)

Seriously. But, like, I just want to be clear. Like, if he feels he's wronged, doesn't mean that you've wronged him. If he perceives a flight, he will harass you.

A (56:15)

I'm. I'm familiar with people.

B (56:16)

People like this will stalk you or make you think you're being stalked. Like, if in his reality.

A (56:21)

Yeah.

B (56:22)

Which is not really reality, he thinks that, like, you did something wrong to him. Scorched earth, girl.

A (56:27)

Can we take a minute for scorched earth? Just saying these people who are so up, that that is their approach to, like. The thing that I have to remind myself is that their own hell is having to be that person.

B (56:38)

That's. I say that all the time.

A (56:39)

Their own hell is having to live in that body and that mind all day. That. That's their own punishment.

B (56:46)

That's how empty he is. That, like, this is a meaningful life to him.

A (56:48)

Yes.

B (56:48)

But, like, right after Detective David says that Ed tries to downplay it. And this is when he was like, I borrowed some money. Like, what am I supposed to do? Repent for the rest of my life? And I'm like, if you were just

A (56:59)

like, I buy that for, like, I did the crime, I did the time, and now I'm out, like, trying to be a productive member of society. Great. I totally. No, you don't have to repent for the rest of your life. You are not repenting.

B (57:10)

You're not. You're just.

A (57:10)

You're just adding to the problem.

B (57:12)

Now, you want to know who this Nick person. Yeah, Nick, the best friend who's, like, the partner in crime and the doxing and the rape and all that. Nick Prugo was part of this LA Bling Ring crew, and for several months

A (57:28)

they really terrorized the LA celebrities.

B (57:31)

Nick from the fucking Bling Ring? Nick Prugo.

A (57:33)

Yeah.

B (57:34)

So the group, the, like, bunch of teenagers who, like, all these celebrities left their doors unlocked and these kids just walked in and stole all their shit.

A (57:40)

We covered this, like, years ago.

B (57:41)

Alexis Nyers, the whole.

A (57:43)

Alexa.

B (57:44)

Wait, that's her.

A (57:45)

Wait, what. What does she say to the lady on the phone?

B (57:47)

Nancy the kitten heels. And then her fucking mother.

A (57:51)

Oh, my God.

B (57:53)

Her mother's the worst type of mother who, like, needs to center herself in the story. And then every time the mom chimed in, Alexis would have to start the voicemail over, and she was like, God damn it. Like, stop fucking screaming. I wanted to ring that mother's fucking neck.

A (58:07)

Oh, my God. And what did she say about the kitten heels?

B (58:09)

You were saying I was wearing 4 inch Louboutins, but I was really wearing, like, little kitten heels. And I'm like, oh, my go. But Anyway, so in 2009, Nick was, like, part of the Bling Ring. He pleaded no contest, and he spent two years in prison. So now cut to 2013. Nick gets his facials from dawn and Nick, and Don's like, he's enough of a celebrity. I'm gonna try to use his name to Leverage her business.

A (58:31)

And to be clear, Nick and Ed are friends. That's a connection here. Right now, dawn is managing Nick. The Bling Ring kid.

B (58:39)

Is she a facialist or is she, like, a talent manager?

A (58:41)

I mean, she wants to make a reality show.

C (58:44)

Since he was such an expert burglar, the show might have him talking about how people can better secure their homes so that, you know, they don't get robbed. And the catchphrase was going to be, take it from me before I take it from you.

A (58:57)

The tagline is going to be, take it from me before I take it from you.

B (59:01)

Which is so stupid. But also, all of these people just left their houses unlocked.

A (59:05)

Literally left.

B (59:05)

We did this documentary. They. It wasn't. They were not the fucking, you know, like, Catherine Zeta Jones under the. Like, you know.

A (59:12)

Yeah, they were.

B (59:13)

They, like, Audrina Patridge just left her fucking door open.

A (59:17)

Paris.

B (59:18)

Paris Hilton didn't have any security, and she just, like, went to Paris. Lindsay. They.

A (59:23)

My favorite thing about the Paris Hilton one was that she didn't even notice the hundreds of thousands of dollars of things that had been taken. Had no idea.

B (59:30)

These kids were not geniuses.

A (59:32)

No.

B (59:32)

They just went to people who wouldn't realize that shit was stolen until it was too late and would leave their houses unlocked and unattended.

A (59:38)

Yes, but that's where these kids. That's where Nick and Ed come from. That's who. Like, that's their pedigree here.

B (59:44)

Right? So Don and Nick get super close, apparently. And they get so close that, according to Don, Nick's parole officer, quote, deputized her, so now she's a facialist. She's a talent manager. And now Nick is in her care,

A (59:58)

but, like, only for a minute, because as soon as, like, Nick is not under the watch of his parole officer, he's going off to Vegas in violation of his parole. He's not taking the TV thing seriously. Don is pissed off, and she reports him to the police.

B (60:11)

And also, Ed, with the bad skin is the one telling us this, so take that how you will.

A (60:15)

Well, the point of all of this is to say Nick goes back to prison. And Don's story is going to be when she finds out that. That Ed and Nick were behind the doxing and the texting and the flyer and the Craigslist and, like, the rape threats. She's gonna say Nick was so angry

C (60:34)

at the perceived betrayal that he and

A (60:37)

Ed gaslit Dawn into believing that Gabriel

C (60:41)

was out to get her, all while they were harassing her in the shadows. In the name of revenge.

A (60:48)

They did that as revenge for me sending Nick back to prison.

B (60:52)

Right. Because she ratted Nick out because she. Because he wasn't interested in being her friend or being on a stupid reality show. So she said, oh, yeah, watch this. She calls the parole officer and rats him out, and then he gets sent back to prison. So it's not that crazy for her to be like, oh, well, it's a.

A (61:07)

Like the plot thickens because they're like. They were doing all of that while pretending to be her friend. So they're saying that, like, Nick and Ed gaslit her into believing it was the back wax guy. They're like, oh, my God, it's Gabriel. He's coming for you. He's posting on Craigslist. He's making these flyers. Meanwhile, they were actually doing it, but then made her so crazy that she decided to hire a hitman to kill Gabriel and therefore absolves her of any responsibility here.

B (61:35)

What kind of life is this?

A (61:36)

It's insane. And I don't believe that that's what happened.

B (61:39)

No, they're like, petty, childish. Yes. Every last one of them, except for Gabriel, who may be. Who might be, but in this lot, he looks fucking great.

A (61:46)

Right? Because everyone else involved is like, no, no, no. She was 100% in on it.

B (61:51)

And don's. The story you just laid out is what got her acquitted. Because the jury was sitting there being like, well, wouldn't that make you crazy?

A (61:58)

Right, Exactly. Like they were pretending to be my friend. They were making me believe it was this other guy that was doing all of this. Meanwhile, they're doing it behind my back. They were making me crazy on purpose. That's why I blew off steam by saying I was going to hire a hitman.

B (62:11)

Dawn was behind this 100%.

A (62:12)

100% from the very beginning. This is exactly the path that dawn wanted to go down. She wanted the Craigslist ads posted. She wanted the flyers done. She wanted the text messages.

B (62:25)

She used Nick and Ed to direct

A (62:29)

the setup of Gabriel's harassment. She's the one who. That came up with everything.

B (62:34)

Nick and Ed are innocent, and so everything was her idea. She was directing them, telling them what to do, and in return, they'd get free facials once a week. And I'm like, that seems like a lot of facials.

A (62:46)

I know.

B (62:47)

Once a week. Shouldn't you let your skin breathe a little?

A (62:49)

It also makes me be like, why are we touching everybody's face so much? It feels very intimate.

B (62:53)

You know, pre2020.

A (62:55)

I know. And especially with These creeps, like, they're just. Like, they're so.

B (62:58)

I know. No one washes their hands. I know. You can tell. You can tell. You hear a toilet flush and nothing else.

A (63:03)

Yeah.

B (63:04)

In that bathroom.

A (63:05)

And, like, so I think he's not washing his hands. Ed is saying that, like, that Don came to him and was like, you used to work for a management company. I got to get rid of this guy. What can we do to get rid of him? And Ed's like, you need a police report on him. If you can get him to do something that requires a police report, you can get him evicted.

B (63:23)

Now, Ed saved every last text message, and we see a message from dawn saying, oh, I'm going to tell the cops that Gabriel was in. In my apartment last night and is threatening me with bodily harm. Now what? Don never did change her phone number or up her security or place a single phone call to 911.

A (63:40)

Yeah. Or ever even just, like, go down the hall and be like, can you stop making, like, flyers with my face on them?

B (63:45)

And now we see. Apparently the new plan was that dawn was going to lie to police and say that text like, oh, I'm going to say he was in my house and tried to, like, kidnap her. Then we see the actual video from shitty Ed's phone of dawn acting it out.

A (64:01)

Oh, my God.

B (64:01)

And they're all, like, laughing their heads off. And she's like. She's got her hands tied and whatever, and she's laughing and she. I'm like, this is insane. Now dawn sits here and says, well, no, you guys don't understand.

C (64:12)

If this is my apartment. There was a window right there. And one day I was sitting there, and a woman with a gag on and her hands tied is smashing against my window.

B (64:25)

I thought it was a hostage that

C (64:27)

had escaped from one of the other tenants. And I learned later she was a severe autistic relative.

B (64:35)

No, that wasn't me. And that had nothing to do with Gabriel. In fact, I was just making fun of an autistic woman.

A (64:39)

Yes.

B (64:40)

And so she also, like, makes a sound in the doc. We're not gonna play it. But she's like. As she's telling the story, she's still making fun of. And I don't know if this woman's autistic, but dawn is saying she is.

A (64:50)

Yeah.

B (64:50)

So dawn is an asshole and a racist and a pathological liar and a perpetual victim and desperate for attention by any means necessary.

A (64:57)

I mean, it's. And then, like, we also learned that before Gabriel, there was another Facialist that she ran out of, out of the complex. Like, Don trying to say that she had nothing to do with this is absolute bullshit.

B (65:07)

Ridiculous.

A (65:08)

She's like an innocent victim and she got acquitted. Like, it is crazy that a jury believed her.

B (65:12)

And so now Ed and Nick take plea deals. They get three years probation and 350 hours of community service. And now we have to go down this 20 minute detour with Carrie Lynn, who's just like some neighbor, confirming that Ed's a lowlife and talking about this neighbor dispute they had on the farm. And it ends with Ed being like a petty yet very alarming nightmare. This isn't just like, oh, petty neighbor shit. Like, he a scary guy.

A (65:35)

He's scary and threatening and like, and. And like, it's no wonder he lives alone in the middle of fucking nowhere with goats. Like, somebody check on the goats for me for 100%.

B (65:43)

And like, for some, Carrie Lynn Googles Ed and then this, this whole story with dawn comes up. And so Carrie makes another bad decision. I'm so sorry to say. But, like, reaches out to dawn and is like, let's, like, join forces against Ed. And Dawn's like, I'll be there in two seconds. I mean, can't wait for the drama.

A (66:00)

I saw the dawn thing a mile away.

B (66:02)

And Ed and D. Dawn are having the time of their lives. They are loving.

A (66:06)

Yeah. And the fact that a documentary got made about them. They are thrilled. I'm sure he isn't here. Bling Ring Nick. Like, I'm shocked that he's not.

B (66:14)

I am too. But, like, the more drama, the more people are involved. The minute dawn walked onto the farm, Ed was like, fucking perfect.

A (66:21)

Yes.

B (66:22)

Like, they love this shit. So don't let either of them act like, oh, my God, like, Dawn's gonna start fake crying in a minute. Don't believe it for a second.

A (66:29)

I also love that it, like, ends with Beth. Beth carriage is like, throwing her hands in the air, being, okay, so this, this neighbor reaches out to Don, and

C (66:36)

Don goes up to visit and become friends with somebody who did have an issue with Ed. That is just not smart.

A (66:44)

Get on with your life.

C (66:45)

Rebuild yourself, and just stay away from him.

A (66:49)

What are we doing here?

B (66:50)

Like, also like, Don, you almost got this guy killed because he was Mexican and gay.

A (66:55)

Yes.

B (66:55)

Let's not forget that.

A (66:57)

Totally.

B (66:57)

Because not some white supremacists. All they need to hear is some overheard conversation in some bar to insert themselves to be a fucking Nazi. You know what I mean?

A (67:04)

Ye. Exactly.

B (67:05)

Like, she could have found someone.

A (67:06)

Yeah. Oh, my God, girl. We did the Curious Case of the Skincare Queen and the Hitman.

B (67:15)

Oh, my God. Also, you know who, like, Gabriel has the best skin here?

A (67:18)

He does.

B (67:19)

Dawn is dumpster diving for products.

A (67:21)

Oh, my God, I forgot. We ended with dawn dumpster diving for. I was like, how is she letting this be filmed?

B (67:25)

Yeah, and she never apologizes to Gabriel. No, Ed never apologizes either. That smug fuck. Like, they're dumpster diving from Jen Aniston's

A (67:34)

face to dumpster diving behind Faux Apocalypse or whatever it's called.

B (67:37)

Skin looks like shit. Everyone but Gabe.

A (67:39)

Yeah, totally.

B (67:40)

And Beth.

A (67:40)

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B (67:51)

That's right.

A (67:51)

What are we doing next?

B (67:52)

We are doing the secrets of the 12 tribes cult. Ooh, kind of a rough watch. Cults are not never good with their treatment of children. That's all I'll say. Take care of one watching. Yeah, it's kind of a mess, but, like, we got to get better laws on the books about cults, everybody.

A (68:05)

Are they going to be like, we got to get better cults out there.

B (68:07)

We need better cult documentaries.

A (68:08)

We do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I. I'll take a mother God any day of the week.

B (68:12)

Look, but this is on id, Discovery, plus hbo, Max. It's in a whole bunch of places for you to watch, but there you go.

A (68:17)

All right, stay tuned for the trailer for that. And we love you.

B (68:19)

We love you, everybody.

A (68:20)

Bye.

B (68:20)

Bye.

A (68:22)

We went from zero to 60.

B (68:25)

We just started wailing away on the kids.

A (68:28)

Bamboo rods, paddles. Paddles with holes in them.

B (68:33)

You're gonna spank that child.

A (68:35)

Swat, Swat, swat. They were intense pain. Both of them screaming and crying. It makes me feel freaking unclean. They have stories of people that left, got hit by a train, burned to death.

B (68:48)

The leaders had. Dad told me, if you do leave,

C (68:51)

I will get killed.

B (68:52)

I said, oh, my God, what am I gonna do?

A (68:56)

When my mom died, we were literally told that God cut her down. Yeah, they are a cold. And I want to know right now, where's my family?