497: Do It for Juan (from "Murder Under the Friday Night Lights")

Summary

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Podcast Summary: True Crime Obsessed – “Do It for Juan” (Murder Under the Friday Night Lights, S1E5)

Episode: #497
Date: April 30, 2026
Hosts: Jillian & Tracy
Main Theme:
A heartfelt and sometimes humorous recap of the “Do It for Juan” episode from Murder Under the Friday Night Lights, focusing on the life and tragic murder of Juan Anthony Joseph—a beloved football player and coach from Edgard, Louisiana. The hosts discuss the investigation, community response, and the deeper issues of gun violence and justice in a football-obsessed small town.

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the story of Juan Joseph—star quarterback, devoted family man, and respected figure in his Louisiana hometown—whose life ends suddenly after a random act of violence outside a nightclub. The hosts weave humor and emotional insight as they unpack the crime, the investigation, and how the tight-knit football community responded to devastating loss.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Juan Joseph: A Local Legend

• Background & Impact
  • Juan was naturally gifted at football but also worked extremely hard (“Gifted athletes came naturally to us.”—Jillian, 03:46).
  • He led his high school team as quarterback, never throwing an interception in a season—a major point of local pride.
  • After a celebrated college football career, he returned home as a coach, inspiring younger athletes.
• Family & Community
  • Married to Kayla, with a daughter and another child on the way at the time of his death.
  • His parents, especially his mother Betty, are prominently featured and speak with deep pride and heartbreak.
  • Jillian and Tracy note how Juan was a “celebrity” in the town, even having people cook his favorite meals (“He made it look easy, and he made everyone around him better as a coach, which is the goal.”—Tracy, 12:08).

2. The Night of the Murder

• Events Leading Up
  • After a big football game, Juan goes out to celebrate—a rare night out for him.
  • At 2am, as clubs close in Baton Rouge, Juan and friends encounter trouble in a parking lot (“This is 2 o’clock in the morning when everybody piles out of these nightclubs and then we have a shooting.”—Det. Ballard, 01:37).
  • A near-accident between a passing Mercedes and Juan’s group quickly escalates: arguments break out, guns are drawn, and Juan is shot while trying to defuse the conflict.
• Patrick’s Account
  • Juan’s best friend and fellow coach Patrick Jackson gives a harrowing account: “He and I are talking, and then it started getting to more of, like, 'man, look, tell my wife I love her.' And I was like, 'nah, you gonna tell your wife you love her yourself when you see her again.'” (25:17)

3. Investigation: Confusion & Persistence

• Initial Challenges
  • Cameras are broken or useless; police only have vague descriptions—“All we know is that it’s a black car. And I’m like, right, so not all that much to go on at all.”—Tracy, 19:35
  • Multiple witnesses, but limited clarity due to shock and intoxication.
• Gathering Evidence
  • Witness tips lead police to brothers Kendrick and Lamarck Cloud. Yet, DNA evidence is missing.
  • An anonymous informant claims the murder weapon is in woods near Lamarck’s house; police recover the gun but DNA doesn't match the Cloud brothers.
• Break in Case
  • Investigation leads to Jamarcus Goodman in Houston, whose DNA matches the gun.
  • Piecing together witness accounts and statements, police build a case centered on Goodman and Lamarck.

4. Community Grief and Healing

• Immediate Aftermath
  • The community is devastated. Social media fills with tributes, and an impromptu gathering draws 200+ mourners.
  • The football team decides to play—and win—their playoff game for Juan, inspiring the “Do It For Juan” slogan. (“They literally did it for Juan.”—Patrick, 28:03).
• Long-Term Impact
  • A park is renamed in Juan’s honor: “The Juan Anthony Joseph Community Park.”
  • In 2017, Juan’s former team once again wins the state championship at the Superdome, making for a full-circle moment of healing and remembrance.

5. Legal Outcomes & Questions

• Final Arrests and Charges
  • Lamarck pleads guilty to attempted possession of a firearm by a felon (7.5 years), while Jamarcus Goodman pleads guilty to manslaughter (40 years).
  • The hosts question the manslaughter charge, noting: “Why the manslaughter charge? Like they’ve got the DNA. He fucking murdered the guy in cold blood. Why manslaughter?”—Jillian, 46:52
• Systemic Commentary
  • Jillian and Tracy express frustration at the process: “This man, this good, good, wonderful man died because the gun situation is fucking out of control.”—Jillian, 22:03
  • The issues of gun law, community trust (especially Black communities interacting with police), and plea deals are discussed with both candor and empathy.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On football culture and community:
  “They describe football as a rite of passage. It’s like church.”—Jillian, 02:24
  “You have to show the fans that you are tough and you’re a winner because the whole town of Edgar just wanted the Rams to win at any cost. I was like, any cost, Betty.”—Jillian, 04:26

• On loss and injustice:
  “Absolutely not. You’re gonna do that yourself because everything’s gonna be fine.”—Patrick Jackson comforting Juan after the shooting, 25:17
  “The fact that these two people are carrying guns in...the gun situation is out of control. It’s absolutely...We are, we are in this moment, this man, this good, good, wonderful man died because the gun situation is fucking out of control.”—Jillian, 22:03

• On healing and moving forward:
  “It’s like a really, really, really moving full circle moment for the community...I think they really felt like they were doing it for Juan and that he was there with them and, like, he was such a big part of that community. And I think it’s a really beautiful thing that they did.”—Tracy, 49:04

• Reflecting on justice and its limits:
  “If we’re gonna scream about it in some cases, we have to scream about it for sure.”—Tracy, 39:58
  “There are too many illegal guns on the street...people, like, taking guns out in their cars and getting in fights and getting mad at each other and shooting people in public. Like it is. It doesn’t happen other places?”—Jillian, 48:06

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [01:18] Betty (Juan’s Mom): Describes Juan’s love for football.
• [14:13] Juan’s parents: Receive the devastating news.
• [21:22] Patrick Jackson: Describes the altercation and identifies the guns.
• [25:17] Patrick Jackson: Recalls holding Juan as he is dying.
• [28:03] Patrick Jackson: “They literally did it for Juan.”
• [37:48] Detective Brian Ballard: Anonymous informant reveals location of murder weapon.
• **[43:09] Jamarcus Goodman questioned, DNA confirmed on the murder weapon.
• [46:52] Guilty pleas and the manslaughter charge discussed.
• [49:04] Tracy: On West St. John winning the state championship in Juan’s honor.

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Tone and Language

Jillian and Tracy maintain their trademark blend of humor, empathy, and open-hearted critique throughout. They are playful with each other, incredibly supportive of the victim’s family, and unafraid to insert pointed commentary about systemic injustice and gun violence. Their language is frank, frequently peppered with exasperation, and always emotionally invested in the story’s outcome.

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Conclusion

This episode of True Crime Obsessed offers a detailed, moving look at the legacy of Juan Joseph and the community that loved him. While lighthearted in places, it’s a pointed indictment of violence, an exploration of grief and healing, and a tribute to the way communities can come together after tragedy. The episode is both emotionally resonant and socially astute, mixing personal reflection with sharp critical analysis.

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Transcript

[Jillian]

Are you watching that show Stumble?

[Tracy]

What is that show?

[Jillian]

It's a cheerleading show on NBC.

[Tracy]

Oh, I would be into that.

[Jillian]

So let me tell you, the woman who's the star of it, her name is Jen Lyon and she and I are on a board of an organization together. So I've gotten to know her a little bit. As for yes, and she is so good.

[Tracy]

That's great.

[Jillian]

She's so funny. It's that very NBC, like she's in the. In Leslie Knope sort of Liz Lemony character fam. If you're not watching it, go watch Dumble. Find Jen Lyon on. On the social media. She's still not that famous yet.

[Tracy]

Great. Well, also, for the record, we're recording in January.

[Jillian]

Oh, that's right. So have you. Did you watch that show from nine months ago?

[Tracy]

Yeah. I don't want to hear it in my DMs.

[Jillian]

Totally.

[Tracy]

This is four months later.

[Jillian]

Oh, my God. Hi, Julia.

[Tracy]

Hello, Patrick Hines.

[Jillian]

You are dressed for April when this is premiering.

[Tracy]

I took the layers off. I know I had snow boots on.

[Jillian]

I'm dressed for. I'm like, I don't know what I'm dressed for because no matter how many layers I wear, I'm never warm enough.

[Tracy]

I know.

[Jillian]

You know what I mean?

[Tracy]

We're like definitely in a tundra. An arctic tundra.

[Jillian]

It's a tundra. It is. What are we talking about today?

[Tracy]

Hi. Welcome to our bonus episodes. This is our second bonus episode of the year. This is another episode of that show called Murder under the Friday Night Lights. Season one, episode five, do it for Juan. And they do.

[Betty (Juan's Mom)]

It was just so gratifying to see my son doing something that he liked. Felt real good.

[Patrick Jackson]

Here we were, two kids, starting running back, starting quarterback. Unfortunately, we didn't get a chance to play for at all.

[Tracy]

7, 8, 2, 8, 5 Coast 6.

[Detective Brian Ballard]

This is 2 o' clock in the morning when everybody piles out of these nightclubs and then we have a shooting.

[Patrick Jackson]

I was down on my knees holding Juan. He's bleeding out. It was an all black gun. Seemed like it was a block.

[Detective Brian Ballard]

It's a very up close shooting, which to me makes it very personal.

[Patrick Jackson]

How intense and passionate that they are about their Friday night lights. The community was as passionate towards finding some form of justice for Juan.

[Dre (Juan's Brother)]

I'm sitting and I'm wondering who shot my job.

[Jillian]

Our victim here, his name is Juan Anthony Joseph. We're in Angard, Louisiana. They love football there. They love it.

[Tracy]

They do. We're here with his mom, Betty. She's awesome.

[Jillian]

Can I just say they describe football as a rite of passage. It's like church.

[Tracy]

Yeah. A lot of people feel that way, especially high school.

[Jillian]

I sometimes when we do documentaries like this, I wish that I had grown up in a place and that I had loved football. Like, I wish that I had grown up in a place that, like, people did football. And I loved it.

[Tracy]

Yeah.

[Jillian]

Because it seems so quintessential to the high school experience in a way that I miss.

[Tracy]

Yeah. We didn't have a football team at our school, so I missed that whole thing too. But I love the vibe. Like, the coziness that means, like, fall is here. The food is always really good.

[Jillian]

I was like, in the. I played in the halftime show at our high school football games because I was in the marching band.

[Tracy]

So co.

[Jillian]

It was freezing and you're out there in your little nerdy band uniform.

[Tracy]

I'm actually so excited for the. I don't care about the super bowl, but I'm very excited for the performances this year again. Yeah, that happened three months ago because this is now January, but they're happening next week like Bad Bunny and Green Day.

[Dre (Juan's Brother)]

Hello.

[Jillian]

I love that everybody is like, what year was this?

[Tracy]

I know.

[Jillian]

So, yeah. Betty is Juan's mom. She's amazing.

[Dre (Juan's Brother)]

She's explaining that Juan was gifted athletically. That was just so easy for him.

[Betty (Juan's Mom)]

2004, Juan became starting quarterback. West St. John. I think Juan didn't even throw an interception.

[Jillian]

The thing about Juan is that he wasn't just good at football. He was born to do it. It came like, athleticism. Juan and I have this in common. Athleticism.

[Tracy]

Gifted athletes.

[Jillian]

Gifted athletes came naturally to us.

[Tracy]

Yeah. Well, the thing is, I love that Mom Betty makes a point to say, like, he worked. Like, yes, he was a natural. Yes, he was gifted, but he also worked incredibly hard.

[Jillian]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like, Baryshkoff still had to practice dancing. You know? Does anybody know who Barish Dakota. He was Carrie's boyfriend.

[Tracy]

He's a Russian.

[Jillian]

Exactly, Exactly.

[Tracy]

I was not a fan of the Russian storyline. So 2004, Juan is the starting quarterback for the West St. John Fightin Rams.

[Jillian]

Never threw an interception. Says mom. Yeah, not once.

[Tracy]

This is a very big deal. Because Mom Betty explains. There were a lot of expectations here. Like, the entire town loves this team. They want you to win, and you gotta win.

[Jillian]

I just made a note that Betty the mom has so much pride in her kid, and I love it. She says, you have to show the fans that you are tough and you're a winner because the whole town Of Edgar just wanted the Rams to win at any cost. I was like, any cost, Betty.

[Tracy]

Yeah.

[Jillian]

My God.

[Tracy]

And Juan was doing it.

[Jillian]

Juan was doing it.

[Tracy]

So now we.

[Jillian]

No cheerleaders.

[Tracy]

No.

[Jillian]

Like in the show Stumble or Friday

[Tracy]

Night Lights, which is everything I know about Friday.

[Jillian]

Last thing I'll say about Stumble, they have male cheerleaders, and they're awesome.

[Tracy]

The thing is, it's like, male cheerleaders are not like an out. Like, they're all. They're everywhere.

[Jillian]

They're so the thing. Remember Bring it on, the musical. The Lin Manuel Miranda. Amanda Green, also on the board of a. Is for.

[Tracy]

I was going to say. Or the movie that I can recite from word for word.

[Jillian]

The thing that I loved about this show is that everybody loves a cheer routine. Like, sure. You're never, like, back me up on this fam. You're never flipping through the channels and, like, you stumble up on the espn, like, cheer finals and passing it.

[Tracy]

It is a feat of athleticism.

[Jillian]

You're always going to watch it. Those women or people that they throw in the air, it's amazing. A million feet in the air.

[Tracy]

That's amazing. You really know how they do it.

[Jillian]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Tracy]

But I don't know how.

[Jillian]

Like, a good flier, I think.

[Tracy]

No way.

[Jillian]

No. Well, you're notoriously not a good flyer now, right?

[Tracy]

No, I hadn't even think about that. But, like, I think I would be so bad at it. But I'm in awe of it. But I'm like. I think I would be, too. They would be like, can you put your shoulders down?

[Jillian]

I want to see you do, like, with that hair in a ponytail. I want to see you doing the flips in the air.

[Tracy]

I would definitely trust my people. But, like, that's part of the thing where I'm like, oh, my God, they work so well together. Truly, like, it's amazing.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Tracy]

Mark, Jody Bowden is here. He's a booster. This is something I learned from Friday Night Lights what a booster is.

[Jillian]

What's a booster?

[Tracy]

So a booster is basically, it's all about the money and getting the money for the team. It's usually like, alumni or parents or, like, rich people in the community or generous people in the community, and they raise money for the team. Like, okay, usually you have a kid on the team, but not always. Oh, but they're, like, really involved in the team, and they have a lot of opinions on the team, and they also give a lot of money to the team.

[Jillian]

The only booster I've known of until now is the COVID one.

[Tracy]

Oh, or like a booster seat.

[Jillian]

Yeah, like a booster seat, which they don't have at the Radio City Christmas show. Seems like an oversight to me.

[Tracy]

I mean, maybe like eight years ago. Daisy's like 12.

[Jillian]

Well, she's still little enough that she needs a booster.

[Tracy]

Really? Oh, I'm an asshole.

[Jillian]

No, no, no, no, no, it's fine. But you know what? It means that she had to sit on my lap this year, which was great.

[Tracy]

Okay, girl.

[Jillian]

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[Tracy]

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[Jillian]

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[Tracy]

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[Jillian]

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[Tracy]

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[Jillian]

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[Tracy]

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[Jillian]

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[Tracy]

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[Jillian]

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[Tracy]

Oh, my God,

[Jillian]

Dre. His brother is here. I. First of all, I love that name. Dre is a great name, and he's like, Juan was the community's hero. The thing about Juan, and this is one of the things that is so heartbreaking about this, I think everybody was

[Lamika Cloud]

in total shock that this actually happened to Juan Joseph. Juan didn't go out looking for trouble, especially gun violence. That's not the child that my parents raised.

[Jillian]

He was just a good guy. Obviously, nobody should be murdered ever. It doesn't matter if you're. You know what I mean? But, like, he just happened to be a very good guy. Like a peacemaker. You could tell that, like, he led the team. He brought the team together. He was just, like, that kind of person.

[Tracy]

And he was inspiring, I think. Not just the kids in the community, but everyone in the community, you know? And he was super smart. He was also smart about football. He was just, like, firing on all cylinders, this guy.

[Jillian]

So Juan's best friend, Patrick, is here. I feel like we should just say some things, because it's easy to confuse me with Patrick. Really into cars. Very handsome.

[Tracy]

Great under pressure.

[Jillian]

Great under pressure.

[Tracy]

Really great memorization skills.

[Jillian]

Great memorization. So just, like, we're mostly talking about the other Patrick.

[Tracy]

Yes. Yes.

[Jillian]

You know what I mean?

[Tracy]

For the most part.

[Jillian]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[Tracy]

I do want to say one thing. Just about, like, how amazing Juan was at what he did and what, like, what he made people feel. A lot of things. And so in his first year playing football, they won state, and then they got to play at the Superdome in New Orleans, and his dad was just, like, beaming with pride. Imagine being so young.

[Jillian]

I know.

[Tracy]

And being so good at something and then being able to, like, play at the Superdome.

[Jillian]

I know. I mean, it really is.

[Tracy]

In front of your friends and family.

[Jillian]

It really is incredible. And, like, both of his parents are here, and they still beam with pride for these things for him.

[Tracy]

Right. Patrick Jackson is Juan's childhood friend, and they were both the class of 2005, and they knew each other since they were, like, 6 years old.

[Jillian]

Yeah. And, like, he says that they started finding out who they were through football.

[Tracy]

I thought that was very sweet.

[Jillian]

I did. Through drama club, sure.

[Tracy]

You know, and then he goes. The rest was history. It's just like, I love seeing friends, best friends.

[Jillian]

This doesn't end happily.

[Tracy]

No. So after high school, Juan went to Millsaps College in Mississippi, where he was also the quarterback.

[Jillian]

Yeah. Mom loved going to watch him play. She can't stop talking about it. I love her.

[Tracy]

I know. And then Juan marries a woman named Kayla, and they have a daughter named Aria. And his mom is like. He literally was saying, like, he just wants to live happily ever after. Like, those were his words. Happily ever after.

[Jillian]

It just on second watch of this. It's all so heartbreaking because everything was coming up one, as you say, and

[Tracy]

he was so ready. And everyone. He had this great support system. And by August 2011, he was married. He loved his wife, Kayla. He loved his daughter. He loved his life.

[Betty (Juan's Mom)]

He realized that I have a greater calling to go back home and just be with people who I love. Give back to my community, give back to young kids.

[Dre (Juan's Brother)]

What better way to do it than to become a coach for the other students? So he brought his family back with them, Kayla and Arya, and he became the West St. John quarterback coach.

[Jillian]

So he goes back to be the quarterback coach for the football team that he was the star of.

[Tracy]

The West St. John Fighting Rams.

[Jillian]

You love. I love how I love it when you say things like one state. You know what I mean?

[Tracy]

The West St. John.

[Jillian]

This is as much your wheelhouse as the Mafia.

[Tracy]

Yeah, barely. But speaking of wheelhouses, better to coach this team than Juan. He lived it.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Tracy]

And he was the star quarterback, and

[Jillian]

he was so proud of his title. His mom says he was a celebrity, and he felt that way. He said people would cook his favorite meal just so they could come over

[Tracy]

and have dinner with him, fight him over.

[Jillian]

And I was like, is that an option? Because there's plenty of people. If I just show up like that, I'd love to have dinner. If I just make their favorite meal, can I go to their house for dinner?

[Tracy]

Juan's like, okay, sign me up.

[Jillian]

Bring it over.

[Tracy]

You know, he says, and, like, much like playing football, he made it look easy, and he made everyone around him better as a coach, which is the goal.

[Jillian]

We've seen that in these documentaries that we've covered about the sports, is that when it's done by people at that level, it does look easy.

[Tracy]

And when they love it and when they're doing it for the Right. Reasons. And there's no, like, corruption or, like, yeah, you know, performance enhancing drugs or, like, you're stealing from kids and making a fake high school or anything of that nature.

[Jillian]

You know, future murderer who gets away with it or whatever.

[Tracy]

Like, torturing animals and dogs and everything. Like, when you're not doing that.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Tracy]

Look what you can do.

[Jillian]

Look what you can do. You know what I mean? This is the other option.

[Tracy]

So. And Juan was, like, treated like royalty. And so by November 2014, everyone wants to win state. Like, that's all. And I'm like, but if.

[Jillian]

I love hearing you say, I wrote the state championship. But you know what? We're gonna speak colloquially because Jillian's a football player.

[Tracy]

And I'm like, well, isn't that the point of every season? We all wanna win state.

[Jillian]

Everybody wants to win State. But, like, can you get there is the question. You know what I mean?

[Tracy]

It's a long road to state.

[Jillian]

That's what they tell me.

[Tracy]

Right? And Juan has done it before. So he's leading this team, and everyone looks up to. Imagine you're a kid on that team, and you're like, juan is my coach.

[Jillian]

I know.

[Tracy]

Like, I grew up watching him play and, like, changing my life. And I'm on this field because of him. And now he's here guiding me. Like, what a cool thing.

[Jillian]

And Kayla, his wife, was expecting again. They're expecting their second daughter. Dre is like, why couldn't you get it right and have a boy, bro? I know he's joking, Jay. I know, Dre, I know you're kidding, but pipe down.

[Tracy]

I didn't love that.

[Jillian]

I didn't love that either.

[Tracy]

That'll just be a blip. We don't have to.

[Jillian]

Yeah, we'll move right back.

[Tracy]

Dre is great, but, like, the nursery was all ready. Like, they couldn't wait.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Tracy]

So we kind of hear the tragedy first, and then we go unpack it. It really startled me at first. I was like, oh, we're just. Oh, shit.

[Jillian]

It's an interesting way to tell the story. Yeah.

[Tracy]

Yeah. Because we learned that November 15, 2014. It's a Saturday night.

[Betty (Juan's Mom)]

That night on. I was on a night shift, and I got the call from my wife, and she said, I'm going to the hospital. And I was like, oh, good. You know, Kayla's getting ready to have that baby. Good. So she said, you're not listening to me.

[Tracy]

Juan had been shot, and Juan has been shot and killed. And you're immediately like, what the hell happened?

[Jillian]

And it's like, the dad gets a call from the mom, doesn't really understand because the mom's like, I'm going to the hospital. And he thinks the baby is coming, right? And she's like, no, Juan's been shot.

[Tracy]

Because the baby was days away.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Tracy]

Days away from being born.

[Jillian]

And like, you know, this is where we meet Detective Brian Ballard. And he got the call about the shooting at 3am and he learns that there was a shooting at a nightclub. There's a guy down. The guy went to the hospital. So that's where the detective goes first. He goes to the hospital and immediately starts interviewing all of the people that are there. Now, Juan was brought to the hospital alive, right? And Brian, the detective, promises Juan's dad, we're gonna get to the bottom of this. But, like, it's the moment that the mother walk that she learns that Juan has died.

[Tracy]

Yeah. So let's go back, right? There's a big football game. Everyone travels to Baton Rouge for the game.

[Jillian]

Yeah. They got to watch it in the fancy. What do you call that thing?

[Tracy]

Like, the box?

[Jillian]

Yeah, like the sweet. They say, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tracy]

Juan wants to go out tonight. Cause everyone's in town. He's in an amazing mood. He knows. He also says that, like, he knows his wife is gonna give birth in, like, two days, and his life is about to change major.

[Jillian]

He's like, like, all parents, I never get to go out. I'm especially not gonna get to go out.

[Tracy]

Tonight's the night, and he's riding high. Like, let's go, right? So they go to Club Allure for a friend's birthday, and Dre makes the point to tell us that, like, going

[Lamika Cloud]

out wasn't something that he did often. At least not to a club. So this. This was kind of, I don't know, different. I remember the last thing I told him was, like, be careful. Like, whatever you do, just be careful.

[Tracy]

And Dre says that his last words to his brother were just, be careful.

[Jillian]

Yeah, I know. I make Daisy kiss her dad every time. Like, if I take her to school, I'm gonna go give daddy I kiss. Cuz you just never know.

[Tracy]

That's. Yeah, that should be standard.

[Jillian]

I know. I guess I'm like, is it just because of my line of work or whatever?

[Tracy]

But, like, maybe like a big thing that Mike and I always say, love you. Bye. Even if I'm taking Fiona out in the morning. Like, it's always just like.

[Jillian]

And. But. But like I said, maybe. Bye.

[Tracy]

Yeah. You know, but really, like, love you. Bye. See you in two minutes, hopefully. Always.

[Jillian]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tracy]

No, I'm not thinking like this is it. Well, sometimes I am.

[Jillian]

Sometimes.

[Tracy]

So 2am, the clubs are closing, Everyone is out on the street. Right. They're getting their rides. They're by the way, Baton Rouge.

[Jillian]

2am is the right time.

[Patrick Jackson]

Time.

[Jillian]

Baton Rouge, Boston, New York, you're going a little crazy. A 4am closing is a little nuts.

[Tracy]

Yeah.

[Jillian]

You know, and it's not every place, it's not everybody. But I remember I was just telling my friends Mike and Lindsay. Hi, Mike and Lindsay. My rule when I was like in my 20s going out, that was that we had to leave before the lights came on. So like 3:58, I'd be rounding people up, like, we gotta get out of here. Because if the lights come and you realize the mistakes you've made, when you're standing in the bar and the lights are on, you're like, I should have been home nine hours ago.

[Tracy]

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[Jillian]

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[Tracy]

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[Jillian]

Fine, Fine.

[Tracy]

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[Jillian]

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[Tracy]

It's really good. It's like kind of musky and smoky, but it's like the scent of Santal. I love it. But I also love the other ones too.

[Jillian]

Well, so Steve was telling me he got the bergamot and he is obsessed with it. Now we are like a not a cologne house. We don't do like those kinds of scents. So when he puts on this deodorant and he just smells like so handsome and sexy, he's like, you must mention

[Tracy]

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[Jillian]

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[Tracy]

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[Jillian]

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[Tracy]

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[Jillian]

All right. That's true. Go get it. Go get.

[Tracy]

Everyone's going to smell so good. So everyone is outside. Everyone has been, like, I'm sure, imbibing. It's 2am like, there's a lot happening. And this is when the shooting happens. And a massive crowd of people with tons of witnesses and cars everywhere.

[Jillian]

Except we still, at the moment, don't really know what happens. And so this is where Detective Brian, he's now on the scene looking for whatever evidence they can find that is still there. And they find shell casings. So they grab the shell casings initially on scene.

[Assistant District Attorney]

We don't have the names of any shooters or persons involved in the crime, but we have descriptions of the vehicle involved.

[Detective Brian Ballard]

Witnesses are saying we have a black car leaving the scene. That's pretty much one of our first pieces of information that we got.

[Tracy]

All we know is that it's a black car. And I'm like, right, so not all that much to go on at all.

[Jillian]

Right. So the two friends that were with Juan are Patrick and William. And the cops go back and forth between calling him William and his last name Griffin, which is Griffin. So in the audio, you'll hear William and Griffin are the same person, but they were with Juan when he was shot. So they're brought in for question before Dan that at like, 5:00am and Patrick

[Tracy]

Jackson, just to be clear, he is lifelong friends with Juan. They played football together, and now they're coaching together. So he knows him incredibly well.

[Jillian]

And William is more a friend of Patrick's, doesn't know Juan as well. It takes them way too long to tell us this. William was hammered like Patrick was not William. And like, William didn't do this. He's not like, he hasn't done anything wrong here. But that is important to the information gathering that's about to happen.

[Tracy]

And I also, I just want to say this. Like, the dynamic is two white cops talking to one black man. And they separated each other. Like there's that too, for sure. So, yeah, throwing that out there.

[Jillian]

The other thing here is that Patrick has just watched his best friend be murdered.

[Tracy]

Well, that too.

[Jillian]

So there's all of these dynamics going on all at once. But the cops got to get the whatever information they can get now. And Patrick is like, we were exhausted, but like, doing the best we could to give the info to the police.

[Tracy]

So Patrick says to us, and the copy cops, like, everything that was going on. The club was closing, everyone was outside. Allure William, the other witness, saw someone he knew and walks off towards the parking lot to say hi. Which is across the street.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Tracy]

And as he's crossing the street, a car almost hits him, which starts a fight between William Griffin and the driver of this car.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Tracy]

So Patrick and Juan try to diffuse the situation. They're coaches, like, they're good guys.

[Jillian]

It's like William is fighting with the driver. And then Juan is now arguing with the passenger that was in the car. Because now, of course, Everybody's drunk. It's 2 in the morning and everyone's gotta fight now.

[Tracy]

And Patrick tells us, as Juan's talking

[Patrick Jackson]

to the passenger and I'm talking to William, the driver pulls out a gun, silver gun. I'm trying to back him off or whatever. And Juan is still trying to hash it out with the passenger. But the passenger had a pistol as well. It was an all black gun. Seemed like it was a Glock.

[Tracy]

The driver and the passenger both pull out guns.

[Jillian]

Now this, we have to just stop for just a second and say, this is ridiculous. Like, the fact that these two people are carrying guns in a, like, the gun situation is out of control. It's absolutely. We are, we are in this moment, this man, this good, good, wonderful man died because the gun situation is fucking out of control.

[Tracy]

There's no reason that that should be your reaction and your response when you almost hit somebody.

[Jillian]

We don't know if they're licensed and we don't know if they have like carry permits. Maybe they do. My point is still, these people, these men are whipping these guns out a person yelling at them. These are not responsible gun owners.

[Tracy]

Please. But Patrick is awesome because Patrick's like, I know the driver had a silver gun. The passenger had an all black gun. And I'm like, thank you for remembering these details. In this super charged moment that is not easy to do.

[Jillian]

No. And I want to say one more time, like, Juan, they are going to tell us all throughout this thing, he was just trying to diffuse the fight. Juan was not trying to fight. He was not trying to engage in the fight. He was trying to, like, bring the temperature down.

[Tracy]

Remember, the Patrick and Juan are coaches.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Tracy]

Like, this is something when you're good at it, you can do that pretty easily. And then people don't even realize. You defuse the situation.

[Jillian]

Exactly.

[Tracy]

People don't even realize that they're being calmed down. Which I know people don't want to feel, but, like.

[Jillian]

Because, like, I just want to make it clear. Like, in my mind, the picture is this car almost hits William. William does what I would do. And he fucking yells at the guy.

[Tracy]

Sure.

[Jillian]

The guy in the car yells back.

[Tracy]

Pulling it down is not an appropriate response to yell at.

[Jillian]

Right. And then the passenger, now he's getting involved. And the only one with a clear head here is Juan.

[Tracy]

Yes.

[Jillian]

You know what I mean?

[Tracy]

Because Juan. So now the people from the car are in the street. They're now out of the car and they're pointing guns at people. Remember, the entire club is now on the street.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Tracy]

This is incredibly dangerous.

[Patrick Jackson]

I recall seeing Juan, you know, trying to knock the gun out his hand. He then pointed the gun at Juan and he fired two rounds into Juan's chest.

[Tracy]

That's when this guy shoots Juan in the chest and drives. Drives off twice. So they drive, but as they drive away, this Patrick guy is amazing.

[Jillian]

This was like this moment that you're about to explain really, like, shook me.

[Tracy]

Like, he's trying to memorize the license plate as they're driving away, but he can't do it.

[Jillian]

He can't. He's saying. I was trying. I'm saying the numbers and the letters out loud, but I was in such shock that they're not sticking.

[Tracy]

They're not sticking.

[Jillian]

That's like my biggest fear. Like, if, like, Daisy's in a car that is speeding away and I can't either see the license plate and, like, it's right there. Or I can't remember it, but it can't.

[Tracy]

It won't stick. And like, oh, my God, it's so close yet so far. Patrick, you fucking killed it. And this, like, like, really? And the fact.

[Jillian]

Other Patrick.

[Tracy]

Other Patrick. But the fact that he even thought to do it. Yeah. Yes, Major. He remembered the gun. Who had what gun, what colors they were.

[Jillian]

Well, because what's crazy here is that, like, there's what, 100 witnesses? At least. And it takes forever to get to the bottom of this. Yeah, like you would think. A shooting that happens in front of that many people, they'll get these guys in five minutes. That's not what happens.

[Tracy]

And for. For Patrick to have any rec of anything when he tells us that Juan, his best friend and coworker and, like, partner in this world, you know, like, died in his arms. Because before Juan. Before he knows it, I got Juan

[Patrick Jackson]

in my hands, keeping him alert. He's bleeding a lot. He and I are talking, and then it started getting to more of, like, man, look, tell my wife I lie. And I was like, nah, you gonna tell your wife you love her yourself when you see her again?

[Tracy]

Patrick's like, absolutely not. You're gonna do that yourself because everything's gonna be fine.

[Jillian]

And those are words that, like, you hear in movies you never imagine saying out loud. And Juan had to do that.

[Tracy]

Yeah. And he was like, you're gonna tell your wife, you're gonna tell your two daughters, like, everything's gonna be fine. And another great thing about Patrick, he knew cars. So this black car turns into a black Mercedes.

[Jillian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Even I can identify this Mercedes symbol

[Tracy]

on a car, so don't feel bad. The license plate.

[Jillian]

Exactly.

[Tracy]

Remembered enough. You. We have more information from Patrick than anybody else.

[Jillian]

Than anybody else. So Detective Brian is saying, you know, there's at least two people in the car. They're looking for two people. They're looking for this black card. That's all they have.

[Tracy]

Right.

[Jillian]

And detective Bryan is saying that, like, William Griffin, the other guy with Juan and Patrick, he's just kind of a mess. It's really hard to keep him on track. You can't blame the guy.

[Tracy]

It's also hard to compare Patrick, who's being an excellent witness. You know, like, what?

[Jillian]

I'm the other. This is where I'm saying, like, it takes them too long to tell us that, like, this guy's hammered, which is his. Right. Like, he's been in a. With his friend.

[Tracy]

He didn't do anything wrong.

[Jillian]

I can't believe Patrick's not hammered.

[Tracy]

Right.

[Jillian]

This Patrick is currently hammered.

[Tracy]

He's currently sloshed.

[Jillian]

I am hammered.

[Tracy]

So the cops tell us that this did not seem like an accident. It seems like more than just a fight that went bad and that Juan was targeted, which feels, based on what we know, not accurate because the car

[Jillian]

came out of nowhere. You know what I mean? Like, the car, like, just was random. Exactly. That's Exactly. What this. This is like road rage and bravado.

[Tracy]

Right.

[Jillian]

You know, and like, men who can't control their tempers and gun laws that are out of control. That's what this.

[Tracy]

That's what this is. So meanwhile, of course, the community is shattered because we spent the first 15 minutes of this hearing about how. What wonderful things Juan was doing for the community. Just his existence was bringing people together.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Tracy]

So now everyone is on social media, they're posting about Juan. Like, everyone is devastated. He was so loved, you know, Kayla, his wife, Aria, his daughter.

[Jillian]

Also, like, when a coach or a teacher is like, there's just. There's these people that are so prominent in the community and so loved and leaders, and it's just. It's devastating.

[Tracy]

I mean, they had this impromptu gathering, and 200 people came.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Tracy]

And gather and be together.

[Jillian]

I mean, come on. But like, right out of a movie, the kids have a game to play, and they gotta do it. They gotta do it for Juan.

[Tracy]

Well, they're saying, I think this is actually really moving.

[Jillian]

I'm not making fun of it. I'm saying, like, it is almost cinematic in its poetry because it's the playoffs. Yeah.

[Tracy]

And like, Robert Valdez, who's the head coach, he goes, I don't think we ever factored not playing.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Tracy]

Like, they want to win. They want to go to state, and they want to do it for Juan. And the entire community, especially his parents, are all behind this.

[Jillian]

And the thing that they save it as a surprise in the end, but, like, they had not won states since Juan played. So in order to get to states and try to do that again, they've gotta win this game right now.

[Tracy]

Right. So they have banners, they have signs and posters. They're celebrating Juan at the game.

[Patrick Jackson]

It was the kids who came up with the slogan, do it for Juan. And they literally did it for Juan.

[Jillian]

We won 51. This zero

[Patrick Jackson]

at the end. We were celebrating the victory, but we was ultimately celebrating Juan's Life.

[Tracy]

They won 51 to 0.

[Jillian]

And the dad. The dad comes running out through the cheerleaders, through that paper banner thing. It's amazing.

[Tracy]

They did it. And I'm like, yay, rah, rah, yay, football. Who did this?

[Jillian]

I know.

[Tracy]

I also want to know who did it. I'm glad we did it for Juan.

[Jillian]

I also think, too, though, that that must have been, like, when something like a tragedy like this happens. You hear all the time, the family's like, what do we do now? Now we just sit in our house. At least they had something to do

[Tracy]

in that weekend and energy and. And like really truly do something for Juan and honor him in this really real way.

[Jillian]

And also I think to do something for the like, as the parents of the, of the amazing leader that was just killed, they get to help the community heal as his parents, which I think is an amazing thing to put

[Tracy]

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[Jillian]

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[Tracy]

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[Jillian]

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[Jillian]

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[Jillian]

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[Tracy]

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[Jillian]

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[Tracy]

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[Jillian]

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[Jillian]

She said everything.

[Tracy]

Everything. That's what they said. I'm saying it. So back to the investigation. We have zero help from the surveillance camera near the Clubs.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Tracy]

All the cameras in the area are useless, broken, facing the wrong way. Thanks for nothing.

[Jillian]

Yeah. They know the Mercedes is their only lead. They get a video from a nearby gas station where these idiots are going, like, a million miles an hour cutting through this gas station parking lot. They're like that. And it at least confirms to the cops that it is a black car that they're looking for.

[Tracy]

Right. And meanwhile, like, as the investigation's happening, the football season's also happening.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Tracy]

While this community is going through it. And so people. But, like, at the same time, like, can we. Not everyone I know. So now, like, the other teams who, like, hate this team are now sending messages to, like, in their DMs. Like, the whole team and all the other coaches need to be shot after your horrible game last night, like, referencing this tragedy. Fuck you.

[Jillian]

Absolutely. And I'm like, that person's in jail. Right. Like, that's a death threat.

[Tracy]

That's a death threat. And also using a horrible murder and a tragedy against your other team, like, right. That's so disgusting to be like, you should be shot senselessly, too, because you played a bad game last night while you're grieving and in mourning.

[Jillian]

Exactly, exactly. And, you know, we're also learning that, like, they should be arrested. There's, like, lots of territorial stuff going on between the neighborhoods. We learn about, like, you know, there was a shooting in a parking lot while playing a rival school recently. So, like, the tensions are just very high. The football is taken very seriously. And so the cops are asking, like, could this be connected to, like, football?

[Tracy]

I don't know. Here's what they know so far. Here's what the cops know. They know there was one shooter, two guys, but one shooter who killed Juan. They know it's a black Mercedes. We have the statements from Juan's friends, but that's it. We don't have a motive. We have no. We don't know where the car is. We don't know who's driving the car. We don't know anything about the driver. Like, not really that great.

[Jillian]

There's not much. There is a tip line through Crime Stoppers that's. That's created.

[Lamika Cloud]

And they say that played a pivotal part in the tip. I think people wanted to get this situation resolved, so they weren't hesitant to call the tip line.

[Assistant District Attorney]

It's within, I think, 24 hours of the shooting that there are crimestoppers tips that are being reported naming Kendrick Cloud

[Jillian]

and Lamar Cloud, Kendrick Cloud and Lamarck Cloud. They're getting these Tips on these names within 24 hours.

[Tracy]

These guys are brothers. They must have had a really hard time being around each other after Kendrick Lamar blew up in like 2012 or whatever it is. Their names are Kendrick and Lamarck Cloud, but Kendrick Lamar, like, are you kidding?

[Jillian]

Oh, that's so fun.

[Tracy]

And they were brothers, and if they were together, it must have been a nightmare for them.

[Jillian]

That's wild.

[Tracy]

As a Kendrick fan, I'm just saying, like, your two brothers, your names are basically Kendrick Lamar.

[Jillian]

Our musical tastes are so different because the only thing I can equate that to is that I grew up with twin friends whose names were Amy and Emily, and those are the Indigo Girls, of course. So, like, that's where I would always go. And they weren't named after them. It was just a coincidence.

[Tracy]

To all the Mary Kate and Ashley's in the world.

[Jillian]

I know. I mean, I've told you this a million times. My friend Corey Love has a younger sister named Courtney.

[Tracy]

Come on.

[Jillian]

I know, I know. And we do it every time. No, no, I think I've asked you this. Yeah. Because she was, like, born, but we're old. Like, she was born before Courtney Love was known.

[Tracy]

Wow.

[Jillian]

I know. Her name is Courtney Love.

[Tracy]

It's a great name.

[Jillian]

It is a great, great name.

[Tracy]

So anyway, this is huge. We have names, right?

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Tracy]

Because the cops are showing the Courtney Love did this.

[Jillian]

I know.

[Tracy]

The cops, like, can now show photos to people and be like, do you know the. Like, we have names. We at least have something to go on. Maybe they. Maybe one of them has a black person. I don't know. So they talk to Patrick and William, the two witnesses that we talked to earlier. Patrick says that Lamarque was the driver, and William says that Kendrick was the shooter. So this is another step forward.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Tracy]

So November 17, 2014, again, two years after Kendrick blew up, These kids were probably miserable.

[Jillian]

That's wild.

[Tracy]

42 hours after Juan's murder, the cops get arrest warrants for the two guys. And as they're driving by their house to like, execute the warrants or whatever, they see a black Mercedes driving away from. From their house.

[Jillian]

They pull the car over and they meet Lamika, who is the sister of

[Detective Brian Ballard]

Lamarck, and we bring her back to our office for an interview. Talking to Lamika Cloud, we were able to determine that the vehicle was actually registered to her grandmother, but that Lamarck was the primary driver of this vehicle.

[Jillian]

But Lamarque is the primary driver. Lamika is my hero. Lamika is me. Like, I love that. She's like, if My brother did this. Let me give you all of the fucking information. This is how this works. This is how this should go.

[Tracy]

And she does. And off they go to Lamarck's house, the SWAT team and everything. Now they. The cops are like, we made entry and contact with Lamarck there. And I'm like, oh, did you guys just knock politely? Did the SWAT team take their shoes off before they entered the home?

[Jillian]

They kicked that door.

[Tracy]

Just be honest about it. Yeah, be honest about it. Oh, we made entry. You take your shoes off. We gained access, and then we contacted him. Yeah, I'm sure. When you fucking barreled into him and threw him to the floor.

[Jillian]

Yeah. So they search Lamarck's house. They find nothing. They bring him in for questioning. This guy is a fucking TCO listener. He refuses to make a statement. Yeah. He's not talking without a lawyer, as

[Tracy]

everybody should love him or hate him. Them. Everybody should do that.

[Jillian]

They can't find Kendrick, so they put his picture on social media, and he turns himself in. Like, this did not go well.

[Tracy]

Well, because they use the community and the passion of the community at their disposal.

[Jillian]

And, like, we should just. Like, it can't be overstated. Like, the community wants retribution for the death of Juan. They love this man. They were literally, like. The mom was like.

[Dre (Juan's Brother)]

I was getting phone calls, and people was wanting to, I guess, create a posse, if you will, to go and find the person who killed Juan.

[Jillian]

They were organizing posses to, like, go out and find the killer.

[Tracy]

Yeah. And they were like, do. Like, should we do this? And the mom was like, maybe let's.

[Jillian]

I'm not saying never, but not. Not yet.

[Tracy]

And, like, this is before the whole, like, all right, social media, do your thing. Yeah, but that's basically what the cops were saying. And so Kendrick turns himself in, and he doesn't say anything. He refuses to talk. But I'm like, oh, he was just safer being locked up for a night or two.

[Jillian]

Truly.

[Tracy]

Because this whole community was coming for him.

[Jillian]

Yeah. And. But even still, the cops are saying, like, have their suspects, but we don't have anything linking them to one.

[Tracy]

All we have is this tipster who

[Jillian]

called, but we have the eyewitnesses saying those are the guys. Why is that not enough?

[Tracy]

Yeah. And. But, like, the Mercedes isn't registered to either of them. Yeah, they didn't find anything in the house. Like, the warrants didn't come up with anything. These guys are refusing to speak.

[Jillian]

So it also feels a little bit like nobody is corrupt. Like, where there were 200 people in that parking lot. Why is nobody else being like, yes, I second the motion.

[Tracy]

It's a black community talking to white cops.

[Jillian]

You know, I totally understand that. I get that. I get that.

[Patrick Jackson]

That.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Tracy]

But then we get another phone call, and this time it's the Louisiana State Police with an anonymous source who wants to meet in person. And the cops are like, this never, ever happens.

[Jillian]

It's so wild. They drive to downtown Baton Rouge where they're like, they make sure this, like, this secret informant gets a pat down. This person gets in the backseat, like Deep Throat.

[Tracy]

They meet on the side of a highway.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Tracy]

And like, some random rest stop.

[Detective Brian Ballard]

And he's like, the guy told me that we needed to be looking for a guy out of the Houston. Houston area. We're kind of like a Houston guy. This is downtown Baton Rouge. Houston's four and a half hours away. He also lets us know that the weapon that was used in this case was discarded in the woods next to Lamar Cloud's house.

[Tracy]

The murder weapon is in the woods next to Lamar Cloud's house.

[Jillian]

This turns out to be true. They go to the woods next to lamarque's house, and they find the gun

[Tracy]

in the woods, and they send it to the lab, and it's the murder weapon.

[Jillian]

Now, I'm thrilled that they did this. I'm thrilled that this guy is so stupid. Like, what an idiot.

[Tracy]

Like, but this is where it gets confusing. So I'm like, okay, why, like, are the Cloud guys involved? Then? We have someone four and a half hours away just, like, saying all this stuff. So it is. The murder weapon was in this guy's backyard. But then the DNA, like Kendrick and Lamarck's DNA, is not on the gun. So what is going on here?

[Jillian]

Well, I think the reason we're confused is because we don't know who the informant is. You know what I mean? I feel like that would connect a lot of these dots because it's like, wait, so these guys. But my other thought was like, well, maybe they just wiped the gun down. Like, I mean, if you're dumb enough to throw woods, maybe you forget to wipe it down, but maybe that's why their DNA isn't on it.

[Tracy]

Probably, yeah. I mean, it's might just be that simple. But also, it's like, so were you just driving around with gloves on, too?

[Jillian]

Right, right. Yeah.

[Tracy]

Because this does, to me, feel like a road rage incident.

[Jillian]

I mean, like. And like, you know, emotions are heightened when you've been drinking. It's two in the morning. You're going to the club, you know, and. But they. They say that ballistic evidence from the autopsy proves that this gun is the gun that killed Juan.

[Tracy]

Right. And we have the Mercedes. Mercedes, that's, like, kind of Lamarck's, even though it's registered to his grandmother. But it's the car he drives all the time. There's, like, enough here for the cops to keep moving, so they say.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Tracy]

So four months after Juan's murder, it's March of 2015. The grand jury indicts Lamar Cloud for second degree murder and felony possession of a firearm.

[Jillian]

Yeah, but Kendrick is not indicted. Like, the grand jury could not come to, like, an agreement on charges for him, so they let him go.

[Tracy]

This is insane, because the ADA who's here says to us, at this point,

[Assistant District Attorney]

we don't have enough evidence to say who the shooter is. We are proceeding on with the charges against Lamarck, Cloud, and starting to prepare for trial against him.

[Tracy]

Like, think about how crazy that that is. We don't have enough evidence to say who the shooter is, but we got

[Jillian]

Lamarck because we know that one of the guys in the car was the shooter and one of them wasn't.

[Tracy]

Yeah.

[Jillian]

This is very confusing.

[Tracy]

It is confusing. And I'm not, like, obviously defending a fucking murderer.

[Jillian]

No, of course.

[Tracy]

But I'm just asking in terms of, like, if we're gonna scream about it. In some cases, we have to scream

[Jillian]

about it for sure. Yeah.

[Tracy]

So it just felt like a. Maybe I'm totally misunderstanding it. Maybe I'm just that.

[Jillian]

No, no, no, no. Now I think I'm misunderstanding it because, like, as I'm getting back, as I'm going through this with you, I'm like, wait a second. It feels like there are things being left out here.

[Tracy]

Right. Or they're just like, well, this is close enough.

[Jillian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll just do this.

[Tracy]

And I'm like, well, that's how innocent people get put in prison.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Tracy]

But then there's another anonymous tip naming another person as the shooter. And now we have Jamarcus Goodman involved.

[Jillian]

Yes. And it turns out, like, do you

[Tracy]

guys vet these tips or.

[Jillian]

Well, but Jamarcus is from the Houston area, so it does seem two, like, secret informants are saying the same thing.

[Tracy]

Right. So it's like, okay, so was the first Mr. Anonymous. Right. And if so, how are these Cloud brothers involved now?

[Jillian]

Because one of them is being indicted.

[Tracy]

And what if every tip is coming from the same person? Like, no, no, look over there.

[Jillian]

Totally. Like, the actual killer being like, it's Jamarcus. In Houston.

[Tracy]

Yeah. I'm like, okay, yeah, like, what is going on?

[Jillian]

We'll get some actual evidence in the end, I promise.

[Tracy]

Okay. Because I'm getting impatient.

[Jillian]

I know, I know.

[Tracy]

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[Jillian]

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[Tracy]

So it's seven months after Juan Joseph's murder. It's June of 2015, and Jamarcus Goodman has been arrested in Houston. And the Louisiana cops are able to question him.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Tracy]

So he tells the cops, I've only been to Baton Rouge one time. It was last year. And yeah, actually it was during football season.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Tracy]

They're like, oh, why were you there then? Because remember, the cops think this is a targeted attack on Juan.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Tracy]

So he's like the. The star of the football season. Like, why were you there four and a half hours away for some like, random football game?

[Jillian]

And they straight up ask him like, have you ever shot anybody in Baton Rouge? And he says, absolutely not.

[Tracy]

But he does say, so here's our connection.

[Detective Brian Ballard]

He tells us, yes, Lamarque's date, my co. Cousins, and he doesn't hang out with anybody else in Baton Rouge.

[Tracy]

And he's like, they're literally the only two people I know in Baton Rouge. And I'm like, oh, well, now we have the connection. The connection here, right? And so the guy's like, I know Lamar Cloud. We really aren't friends. I've never been to a club ever. And, no, I've definitely never killed anybody. And then he willingly gives the cops his DNA, which is crazy, because he's the guy. It's a match on the gun.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Tracy]

What is wrong with him?

[Jillian]

I don't know.

[Tracy]

Lawyer.

[Jillian]

I know.

[Tracy]

I mean, if we're gonna get the guy, we're gonna get the gu. But why would he say all of these things, tying himself to this murder and then give the DNA? Like, what did he. How did he think he's gonna get away with this?

[Jillian]

Well, sometimes I feel like they just know they're not going to. So, like, let's just cut to. I. I feel like we've seen this before where it's like, I'm never gonna get away. I'm not gonna tell you that I did it, but I'm not gonna fight your quest to pin this on me, I guess.

[Tracy]

But he didn't even say any of that. He didn't even like saying that in the video.

[Jillian]

Or maybe Jamarcus doesn't know they have the gun. You know what I mean? Because it's like, well, if I shot the guy, but I didn't touch the guy. There's no DNA anywhere, body. So what is this going to do? They don't know that they have DNA from the gun.

[Tracy]

Well, the cops need to talk to Lamarck, because this is the connection. Right? So now, two years after Juan's murder, Lamarck Cloud gives a statement. The first part is everything. We already know. They were at Club Allure. Everything was great. They left the club. They get in that fight with William because they almost hit him with the car.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Tracy]

Juan was there. And Lamarck admits, yes, I was armed when I stepped out of the car. And then he says, now Jamarcus gets

[Detective Brian Ballard]

back in the car with a weapon.

[Patrick Jackson]

He hopped back in. He was just like, man, just go, Go. Like that.

[Jillian]

And I just pulled off.

[Detective Brian Ballard]

Did you hear gunfire?

[Patrick Jackson]

To be honest with you, I didn't.

[Detective Brian Ballard]

He didn't want to admit to hearing gunshots. He Never said that. I witnessed Jamarcus Goodman shoot this other individual over here.

[Jillian]

Lamarck is saying, yes, this is what happened, but I had nothing to do with the shooting. I didn't even know there was a shooting. That's why I took off. It's important to see state here. There was a little bit of confusion earlier in the episode because Lamar and his brother Kendrick were originally identified as the two in the car. Kendrick was misidentified. Kendrick was not in the car. The people in the car were Lamarc, who was the driver, and Jamarcus, who was the passenger and the shooter.

[Tracy]

So it does make sense that the gun would be at Lamarck's house, because they. That was the connection.

[Jillian]

Exactly.

[Tracy]

So. And this isn't. I mean, I think some people in the legal profession might say that this is a stretch, but it's enough for the cops.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Tracy]

To, like, tie all of them together because Lamarck put them at the scene of the crime. He confirmed a lot of stuff we already knew.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Tracy]

He put Jamarcus in the car with a gun.

[Jillian]

And the. The DNA on the gun mat that we know killed Juan matches Jamarcus. This is kind of a slam dunk.

[Tracy]

Right.

[Jillian]

I'm gonna go with slam dog. And.

[Tracy]

But the thing is, this was an actual random act of violence.

[Patrick Jackson]

Well, right.

[Tracy]

Because road rage.

[Jillian]

It was just road rage. It was like this car clipped William. William yelled at the driver. The. The driver yelled back. The passenger decided to get involved.

[Tracy]

Juan tries to be the good guy that he is and defuse it.

[Jillian]

And that's the. Like. That is that Juan is just, like the good guy trying to make everybody just go home to their families and gets shot because of it.

[Tracy]

Yeah, that's it. Like, there was no other motive here than random road rage. Yeah. Like drunk, possibly. I don't know. But like assholes killing people.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Tracy]

So September 2016. It's now four years after Juan's murder.

[Assistant District Attorney]

Lamar Cloud is going to plead guilty to attempted possession of a firearm by a convicted felon. He will be sentenced to seven and a half years in prison. Jamarcus Goodman pled guilty to manslaughter nearly four years after Juan was murdered, and he was sentenced to 40 years in prison.

[Tracy]

Jamarcus Goodman pleads guilty to manslaughter and gets 40 years.

[Jillian]

Why the manslaughter charged? Like, they've got the DNA. He fucking murdered the guy in cold blood. Why manslaughter?

[Tracy]

I think because it was like a passion, like, random act of violence. It's not like he went to the club to kill.

[Jillian]

It wasn't, like, premeditated.

[Tracy]

That's the technicality that they'll get him on for that.

[Jillian]

Because I'm like, isn't that third degree murder? I make a true crime podcast. You know what I mean? Like, there's like. I don't know. It just makes me mad. Like, manslaughter feels less than murder. That he murdered this guy.

[Tracy]

Yeah. Or I don't know what the lawyers actually argued, but there. I think there's a way to say, like, well, he didn't go there killing someone.

[Jillian]

And also, like, if it was. If it was the result of a plea deal, which it seems like it was.

[Tracy]

Exactly.

[Jillian]

Then to avoid a trial, I guess. And 40 years is 40 years, whatever, you know, like, that's fine, but.

[Tracy]

But I don't know if you're out at a club with a gun and anyway, like, for what reason?

[Jillian]

But, like, this is what I'm saying, what I'm screaming about. Like, the gun laws are crazy. And I'm like, not in support of taking everybody's guns away. I just want sensible gun laws. There are too many illegal guns on the street. And I'm not even saying that Jamarcus was an illegal gun. We don't know. Maybe he was licensed, and maybe he was licensed to carry.

[Tracy]

No idea.

[Jillian]

But, like, the point is there are just too many guns, you know, and, like, people, like, taking guns out in their cars and getting in fights and getting mad at each other and shooting people in public. Like it is. It doesn't happen other places?

[Tracy]

No.

[Jillian]

You know.

[Tracy]

No. Only in America.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Tracy]

Welcome.

[Jillian]

I want to be really clear. We don't know that Jamarcus wasn't licensed to carry. I'm not saying that he wasn't. I'm just saying there are too many guns in circulation.

[Tracy]

And it's also not an appropriate response.

[Jillian]

No, exactly.

[Tracy]

To a fight outside of a club about, like, which really, if we're going to boil it down, was just a misunderstanding or just someone who would have been like, sorry, you know, like, just keep driving. Just go home.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Tracy]

So December 7, 2017, we're at the Superdome in New Orleans.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Patrick Jackson]

And what? St. John Winston State Championship. It became full circle, and in 2017, that was the first championship since Juan and I did it in 2004. It was a pretty special moment.

[Tracy]

West St. John wins the championship again for the first time since Juan and Patrick did it in 2004 in the same place they won. That made everybody proud.

[Jillian]

We did it.

[Tracy]

It's like a really, really, really moving Full circle moment for the community. And I think it brought some people some healing in the way that it could for them, but I think they really felt like they were doing it for Juan and that he was there with them and, like, he was such a big part of that community. And I think it's a really beautiful thing that they did.

[Jillian]

It's really beautiful. You know, and, like, there's a community park in the town that they renamed the Juan Anthony Joseph community park. Like, this community loved this guy. And they wanted. They showed up, they wanted a place to be able to go to remember him and talk about him. And, you know, I love a community park. The mom loves the community park too.

[Tracy]

And his friend. It ends with one of his friends saying, legends never die. They have a lasting impact. And that's what Juan has. And, like, his story will live on forever. And, like, everything he taught the community will still be passed down hopefully.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Tracy]

You know, people saying, like, that coach I had, he was amazing, and his

[Jillian]

name will never be forgotten ever. Oh, girl. We did murder under the Friday Night Lights. Do it for one.

[Tracy]

Yes. Season 1 Episode 5 yeah.

[Jillian]

We love you, fam. Thanks for hanging out with us. Look, I'm aspirationally putting myself in the mindset of April because that's when this is coming out. We are recording this in January, and

[Tracy]

most importantly for you, it's springtime. Hopefully it'll be a little bit warmer for you.

[Jillian]

Look, I'll take 60 degrees at this point, anything give me a 60 degree day. Yeah. All right. We love you.

[Tracy]

We love you. Stay safe, please.

[Jillian]

All right. Bye.

[Tracy]

Bye.